SILVER SURFER Cast! - Did Marvel Make a Huge Mistake for Fantastic Four?

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Julia Garnder is the new Silver Surfer! This is bold, unconventional casting for a 50 year-old charter. Did Marvel make a bad choice? Or is the Fantastic Four going to be a return to form for the MCU?
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[@jalabi99]

I don't want Galactus or Doctor Doom to be the big bad of the first MCU Fantastic Four movie. To be effective those are villains who both need multimovie setups just like they did for Thanos.

[@BuildinWings]

Agreed. I want their first villain to be The Mad Thinker. He's practically made for post-credit foreshadowing scenes. All he has to do is make a vague prediction about the big-bad and POOF. Instant hype.

[@titheproven954]

The best idea is that she is the villain. Keep it simple. Marvel needs to get back to basics and tone down and remember they should play T-ball before they swing for the fences.

[@Nenernener123]

Kinda like Thanos sent in his minions, even Loki. He can still be the big bad of this saga, but they need to learn their lesson with how they messed up with Kang. Not even including his firing/recast needed.

[@CircusOfFive]

If the character she's playing is Frankie Raye/Nova, Herald of Galactus, that'd be cool. you got the personal stakes with her thing with Johnny "Flame on".

[@RandomNPC001]

she`s not.

[@SynthaPak]

Garner is playing Shalla-Bal

[@Stevenbfg]

Imagine going with a version of the Silver Surfer who only appeared in one comic over Norman Radd who has been the Surfer for 60 years. I am utterly mind boggled at their decision making these days.

[@seewhativescene]

That's why they don't pay you the big bucks for these decisions sweetie, take a nap and you'll be fine

[@adrianvanleeuwen]

Totally agree, the real Silver Silver is a male character Norrin Radd for over 60 years. This new female Surfer is in an alternate universe, which several other channels say the same thing, due to futuristic looking buildings in the 60s setting which don't make sense in our prime universe.

[@outerjohn]

@@seewhativescenewhoever they are paying has lost them a truly enormous amount of money over the last 5 years

[@simonsayso7948]

@@seewhativescene your comment would make sense if they hadn't served up garbage since Endgame. Some would argue since Infinity War...

[@xxsolxx23]

So when the universe is destroyed and this surfer sacrifices themselves to save the FF and we'd only get one movie with norrin?

[@braydenmaine4818]

I think they are missing an opprotunity here; The Silver Surfer already had a film, They should use Nova - Frankie Raye. She is the female human torch, was a herald of Galactus after the Silver Surfer. She is also the step daughter of Phineas Horton, The creator of the Original Human Torch, and the Vision was created from a copy of the Original Human Torch. (Cameo in Captain America the First Avenger). She also joined the Fantastic 4 for a while, and she was in a relationship with Johnny Storm.

[@malachisparks4506]

Completely agree they have better characters that people like way more than the ones they've been using recently, and that's a big reason I haven't liked Marvel recently.

[@will201084]

The whole cast will be the female version. Your welcome.

[@braydenmaine4818]

@malachisparks4506 Right! I wouldn't be surprised if Alioth from Loki turns out to be Galactus at this point.

[@BrokenhornKT]

That would be a Better use of Galactus's Real Female Herald. that is in the Real comic story line.

[@braydenmaine4818]

@BrokenhornKT Exactly! Just a theory, but The more I think about it, they might use this movie to introduce her by sending the Silver Surfer off and introducing her as the new herald.

[@andyscott5277]

Problem with doing the “blank slate” Silver Surfer is they already did that to a large degree with the MCU Adam Warlock.

[@spitflamez]

Yeah, they blew it on Drax too…

[@spitflamez]

It’s like they don’t get the fact that Iron Man worked so good is because RDJ was so Tony Stark, he was like an on screen version of the Comic character. They need more of that….

[@andyscott5277]

@@spitflamez way underpowered him

[@andyscott5277]

@@spitflamez exactly. Somehow they haven’t realized that there’s a reason why these characters were so popular in the first place. Comic accuracy is the way to go, nine times out of ten.

[@mikenkeze9582]

Exactly had that thought and the fact that it bummed in GOG might be the reason they are trying to stay of that storyline. Also I think they are trying to up the stakes with this version of silver surfer as she would have a compelling reason/story/motivation to back her actions of being Galactus herald/scout: Trying to save planet.

[@Alpha23TV]

Colton definitely needs a nap 😅😂

[@ULTRAOutdoorsman]

"Let's try Fantastic Four again, but this time we'll do something avant garde with the casting"

[@crashrighthrume]

"And make it fashion."

[@tovpp7]

I like looking at Silver Surfer and feeling pity for him like an exotic animal trapped trapped in a zoo. I like him super jaded, with existential dread, but a chilled demeanor the whole time.

[@marissashantez6051]

Exactly. Heroic and tragic, and it has to be male. It doesnt work with a chick.

[@DavidGBradbury]

It's cool having stories that can be in and/or out of 616. But a problem with them is that the stakes of the story disappear. Wrath of Kahn sorted it with a new timeline created and the stakes are real again. Scalzi just said the alternative possibilities don't exist. That works too. An infinite number of What Ifs? It doesn't thrill me.

[@turnerjazz7872]

100%. Everything has to come back to the central universe. Otherwise the stakes are meaningless and we stop caring.

[@funkysam1345]

Which is why I've always Said that the Marvel should have expanded it's focus beyond 616. Get us invested in other universes. Obviously there is a reason this particular reality is important. Its got a greater role to play in the grander arc they are building

[@luckylogan7093]

Everything introduced before secret wars is all gone this is about creating rhe new 616 with with All of disneys properties. They want a new iron man a new wolverine and intro us to everything new.

[@BaithNa]

It also creates a massive disconnect between those characters and the universe we've been following and these random versions from alternate universes will become cemented in pop culture and the minds of general audiences before we ever get a proper adaptation. Every decision around this movie is questionable at best.

[@funkysam1345]

@@BaithNa exactly. I don't understand this obsession with fix x men characters. Like I get it it's nostalgic and some of the actors have really embodied their characters. But I thought it was time to move on with the MCU nd give us a proper origin of the X men.

[@DeavTech]

How crazy would it be if the F4 movie opens with, "I, am the Watcher..."?

[@kazetoame]

As long as it is Jeffrey Wright’s voice, I wouldn’t mind.😊

[@Zebula77]

@@kazetoame I think it's confirmed he's in it, so that opening miiight just happen. :D

[@kazetoame]

@@Zebula77 sweet

[@RichterX83]

Might as well from everything that is being shown by Marvel it would seem that idea started as a what if episode.

[@tabalugadragon3555]

After season 2 finale of What if I don't want to see that character.

[@NoamKaiser]

Why are you all so committed to saying Disney has no agenda when every single red carpet at every premier of an MCU/Star Wars etc. movie Is full of interviews with producers, directors and actors talking about nothing but diversity and inclusion and never story?

[@outerjohn]

DEI is all Disney and their financiers at BlackRock actually care about. Story, the fans, even box office receipts are secondary to that singular purpose

[@NoamKaiser]

@@outerjohn 🎯

[@marissashantez6051]

Because they want to see how many people are stupid enough to believe it.

[@AS-ri1mb]

@@NoamKaisernah you’re just thinking of the acolyte lady

[@NoamKaiser]

@AS-ri1mb it's all the same in the panderverse

[@brucewayne6697]

South Park said it best , “damnnnnn you Kathleen Kennedy”

[@SPACEKNOCKERZ76]

Its his wife lol keep crying

[@williamreynolds8322]

South Park episode of panderverse was right after all and this is what Disney and Kathleen Kennedy are doing right now in the movies

[@nailinthefashion]

I think the same thing of the CEOs who do the opposite but with pandering to straight white men. If only we could get real artists in positions of power

[@edwinoscar91]

She’s not in charge of Marvel?

[@Planag7]

You know she's not in charge of the Marvel side right? Then again remember the same brain cells that you wasted are thinking sweet baby inc is the villain when both Sega and Nintendo were doing that back in the day...

[@tommyboi2x6]

An Evil Dead x Ghost Rider movie would be *chefs kiss*

[@NadeemShekh-uy9zn]

Yes

[@marcaddow7326]

A Sam Raimi Ghost Rider movie would be so amazing! Dat old evil dead style

[@Alfonso222]

@@marcaddow7326 ugh yes. I was very surprised with Werewolf by Night, would be incredible if Marvel would take a cool risk like that again.

[@Raithed]

Norrin Radd, always the Silver Surfer. Not Shalla-Bal being SS, which came out pretty recent, 2000s. My take on this has nothing to do with the actor, or Shalla-Bal, but Silver Surfer is going to always be Norrin Radd. This is not justice for my favorite dude.

[@jasondavis2995]

She debuted in 1968😂.

[@Conan7772010]

@@jasondavis2995 The Shalla Bal-female silver surfer debuted in the 2000s.

[@cyclonus_is_a_nerd]

I wouldn't mind the Silver Surfussy

[@CBoxStudios]

Have you tried crying harder?

[@mr.m9979]

​@@CBoxStudios Have you tried not pandering to identity politics and instead focusing on creating a good story with established characters? That is you, right, Disney?

[@spitflamez]

It’s like they don’t get the fact that Iron Man worked so good is because RDJ was so Tony Stark, he was like an on screen version of the Comic character. They need more of that….

[@seanaguilar2057]

Had they cast Keanu Reaves as The Silver Surfer, it would have been the same. Epic.

[@entertainmentfan1463]

You can flip that argument around and bring up the 90s when every Marvel character had their own cartoon series. Silver Surfer in particular was in both the FF series and his own solo series. It was close to comic accuracy as you can get. Then Marvel went close to bankruptcy and had to sell their characters to a bunch of different movie studios to survive...

[@Chriscras2]

Silver Surfer is the least of my worries for F4.

[@dgm66]

Ikr. This movie has much bigger problems to deal with.

[@craigmarlow2194]

Esp w Disney at the wheel 🤘🏽

[@eyespy3001]

You have worries about a movie? A _comic book_ movie…?

[@JohnKelly2]

@@craigmarlow2194Because Sony did and Fox such a great work

[@denniscool6224]

If they f silver surfer what you think they gonna do to doom smh

[@MysteryFoxx3506]

Here’s my problem… Comics swap around a character’s gender/race etc. Sometimes it works. The MCU is already dangerously close to offending its entire fan base. Not sticking closer to the source material now is scary. They’ve lost the credit to swap around anything. They need to go back to formula… cue the Green Goblin. Copy the comics and deviate naturally. Besides… it’s Marvel. You could throw a rock and hit a great female character.

[@LightsOnTrees]

not really, there is no Marvel fan base, these sorts of films are only successful if they attract a general audience, and most will just tune out until there's a good film again. Nothing this big is sustained "by the fans"

[@jimmyramos1989]

Huh? When have they gender swapped major characters in Marvel films? I’m talking MAJOR characters. I’ll wait for the list.

[@wesstewart2677]

@@jimmyramos1989taskmaster, the ancient one, and now Silver Surfer. You also got Cosmo the Space dog. The argument could be made because of their close morals, backstory, etc. that Captain Carter is just a British gender swapped Captain America. Eternals also gender swapped Makkari and Ajak. Personally I typically don’t care about Gender swaps. Ratcatcher in TSS was dope. But I am disappointed that we won’t be seeing Norrin Radd as SS in this film.

[@ShinySephiroth1]

8:57 Norm Macdonald "'Like so much'...? Who are you, the mighty Thor!?"

[@simonsayso7948]

How about 1 movie about a popular hero without one of the main characters being forced, swapped or neutered? Let's just see what happens, holy shite!

[@youssefmesrati340]

I dont want her to be silver surfer because i want the iconic norrin silver surfer she should be norrin's wife not galactus's herald

[@SPACEKNOCKERZ76]

We know she’s not?

[@eddieterrell5457]

She probably will be! We don’t know shit about the plot!

[@nailinthefashion]

Sexism is weird

[@theunknown308]

He said the quite part outloud at least 😑

[@jessypalacios9560]

This is what happens when you're in Disney's pocket. Join us or get silenced.

[@edwinoscar91]

Dream project: Midnight Sons, with Lillith or Mephisto as the villain

[@MystifiedBeef]

NOT THE BEES!!!

[@jasonokoro8061]

AahHhhHHhhH!

[@CoachC1721]

I agree damnation could work

[@chrisbentley3988]

I named my 5 string bass guitar Norin Radd... due to its sleek and silver badassery! A messanger to travel the cosmos as a harbinger of death!

[@thespectacularspeculator]

We’ve heard Kevin Feige say that he wants more than half of the marvel heroes of the MCU to be female. So it’s not a stretch to say there is an agenda at play. It’s all about the “diversity initiative” But that’s besides the point, majority of fans of the Silver Surfer became, fans of the character because of who he is in the comics. Not the obscure version. You wouldn’t have to explain that there’s a female iteration of the silver surfer if it were popular and let’s please stop labeling fan concerns as some kind of woman hating campaign. Although there are extremists in every group. I feel like people tend to focus on those toxic people. I love this actress in Ozark , but regardless of range, I don’t want to see this Silver Surfer. And I am pretty sure if you ask majority of the fan base they will tell you the same thing. That doesn’t take away from the actors talents at all.

[@kylecarter1599]

Where did he say that exactly? Cause I've never heard him say it.

[@ryhanon7]

@@kylecarter1599He said it way back in 2018 when asked by Screen Rant about a possible future all-female team-up movie. I think people are blowing his comments way out of proportion - but that's what people on the internet do. Especially those of the comic fanboy variety.

[@allanreele8352]

She would make a really good Frankie Raye, aka Nova. She's spunky, loves having powers and I feel it would be a fresher take than her being SS

[@ryhanon7]

I think it's important to remember the F4 movie is confirmed to take place in an alternate universe. It's very possible that we'll still get to see the traditional Silver Surfer - Norrin Radd - when he makes an appearance in the MCUs 616 universe.

[@jasondavis2995]

The agenda at play is that everyone has to be a straight mostly white male. That's been the Hollywood agenda since it's inception.

[@RealDeadPoolHere]

Part of me wonders if this is a one off and that Norrin from the 616 will be shown in a post credit scene

[@andrewshandle]

This is what I'm thinking

[@edwardbrennan7825]

I was thinking the same thing, maybe she defies the baddie or sacrifice herself, they already did the bad sidekick running the show (Loki and the Avengers).

[@carsbykris]

Came to post just this. Feels like maybe the Shalla Bal is just this universe's Silver Surfer. Or is the Surfer a Nexus being? I don't really know the lore there.

[@RealDeadPoolHere]

@@edwardbrennan7825Actually that was my first thought when I heard the casting. If the rumor about the earth being destroyed an the film taking place in a alternate universe is true, she may give up her life so the 4 can escape. Tbh if that’s the case I’m glad it’s her an not Norrin. I don’t want him gone already😅😅 😅😅

[@PhoenixSlush]

⁠@@carsbykrisI think the surfer just works for Galacuts, I’m not entirely sure if he’s a nexus being. I’d recommend watching Comics Explained. He may have a video that could help on the surfer!

[@r.j.amadeus9128]

This is a big problem .. they could’ve also used Stardust, who is female and I would’ve been excited, but… they had to do it .. why? Why.. He is one of my favorite characters. 59 years of a character history , let’s just shit on it.. someone mentioned “Nova” exactly! I would be on board 100%. “Alternate universe” I guess my alternate self will go watch it .

[@joerodriguez7317]

Great comment! 🤣

[@russrichardson991]

It sounds like the Brie Larsen Mar-Vell casting. “She’s got a lot of range!” She needs Rogue to siphon her powers and put her in a coma, while the real Captain Marvel shows up to save the day. There are lots of female heroes in the Marvel universe. SS is not one of them. And using Galactus as their first antagonist sets the bar ridiculously high for any future film. Give me the Mole Man any day.

[@phantomcreep1866]

FF being from another universe opens the door for Blue Marvel to also enter from an additional universe. The original human torch can even be from the FF’s WW2 era. They can’t do it forever, but leading into incursions and secret wars, it’s perfect timing.

[@44Ryoga]

I just want to see onslaught one day in the MCU

[@NatTurnergrandsonChrisdorner]

This!!!! He's an underrated villain that took on FF4, avengers and the X-Men.

[@user-gg6rs4kj6w]

As long as you're happy with getting a female Onslaught who's a combo of Jean Grey and Emma Frost instead

[@GLJosh]

@@user-gg6rs4kj6w Jean Grey and Polaris would make more sense.

[@user-gg6rs4kj6w]

@@GLJosh dint be idiotic

[@FireJach]

very powerful card in my Marvel Snpa deck :3

[@simonsayso7948]

My question is, have these guys every not been excited when a character is swapped in any way?

[@mobboss4205]

Underrated comment

[@BaithNa]

They gotta shill or they'll lose access to screeners and invites to premieres. Without those things, channels like this are irrelevant.

[@jermellmeeks9224]

😂u can tell they are faking about liking her being casted

[@savage75_]

100% 😂

[@tomahawkpunk82]

These guys are just yes men. They aren't critical. This movie will be DOA just like the Marvel's. Disney's Marvel is just gonna keep doubling down. Let it burn. We already saw on multiple projects that the formula is activists posing as writers not even reading the source material.

[@DaRealXXLSlayer]

So you all three sat there and gave a very basic description of the silver surfer from the comics and just replaced uninhabited planets with universes on an incursion and try to make it sound original because that’s the whole thing that the silver surfer does bargain with Galactic so he doesn’t eat his planet and then he goes out and seeks uninhabited planets for Galactus to eat and the silver surfer does become a villain until he finds earth and Frankie Ray I don’t know why you guys just sit there and try to make it sound like what you were saying was an original thought

[@WICK3DIncStudios]

With how good Marvel once was (and still can be) with putting stuff together, they could easily run through a origin with opening credits and a good score playing

[@spitflamez]

They better have some kind of spin on this, they should not blow someone as huge as the Silver Surfer!!! He is literally a lot of peoples FAVORITE!!!!

[@SadfoxGuyver]

Fantastic 4……….. what If ?

[@yoj7590]

I think this is more logical and they over analyzed it 😭

[@luckylogan7093]

I love your thought on kirby's original "vision" how ever i feel that was already done with The Vision.

[@timothy5977]

If this isn't the band playing on the Titanic. I don't know what is.

[@McCheeseincakes]

The movie takes place in an alternate universe in the '60s. Whatever issue the fantastic four find out about in regards to their silver surfer is information they will carry over when they come to the main 616 timeline. That's where everyone will get their naked silver man harolding towards Earth.

[@kazetoame]

This is where I’m leaning too. It also makes a lot of sense.

[@agentb1ack01]

I don’t know we’ll just have to see because at the same time this can cheap in and take away value from the original silver surfer story. No one‘s gonna be interested because we’ve already seen it done before on screen… it just cheapens the character in my opinion if they ever decided to do the original silver surfer later

[@Sung0d504]

@@agentb1ack01if that’s all it took then you wouldn’t have cared for a new silver surfer to begin with regardless of shalla or norrin. They already did a man SS in a f4 movie. You’ve seen that.

[@Omnislash7]

I’m not really sure that I agree with that. Given that Marvel hasn’t been too keen on doing a character that’s had a major role already multiple times and the vast number of other characters that are in the FF’s world, I don’t really see them doing the Silver Surfer again if they’re doing that story now. There’s the very real possibility that Galactus and his heralds don’t even exist in the MCU’s 616

[@re2gie]

​@@Omnislash7 Also, if this movie doesn't do well, do you really think Disney will revisit the Fantastic Four

[@whitey00112]

I’m just annoyed that, at the moment, we aren’t getting a good Norrin Silver Surfer first. Kinda weird introducing an alternate version of a character when that alternate exists because of the existence of the original. It’d be like getting a Nightwing movie without ever seeing him as Robin first.

[@ChimichangoBoom]

I think it has to do with the fact that the Rise of the Silver Surfer, even for what it was, had the best version of Him that we could ever have seen on screen. And they announced that Galactus and Doctor Doom are going to be in this and also confirming it's in an alternate universe, it makes more sense that we're getting a different Silver Surfer because like Spider-Man homecoming or PS4 Spider-Man game, we're jumping into their Universe after shit has gone down.

[@whitey00112]

@@ChimichangoBoom that’s a fair way to look at it. Though I still want to see an MCU take on Norrin. He becomes such an interesting character post Galactus!

[@entertainmentfan1463]

@@whitey00112 That's also why I'm not the least bit upset about this decision. This would be at least the 6th attempt to adapt the Fantastic Four since the 90s. The 90s actually had Norrin not only in the FF cartoon series, but his own cartoon series too. However all those attempts at the Fanstic Four and Silver Surfer has been a bust. You know it says something when the most successful attempt at the FF and Silver Surfer was the 2000s movies with Jessica Alba and Chris Evans. After that many attempts, maybe it's a sign there's fundamental issues with the characters they're adapting and they should try something new.

[@DinCob5944]

I really appreciate you three using your platforms to say what you did in this video! Thank you!!! I could not agree more. Love this channel and this just took it to another level.

[@rayay9581]

Why Silver Surfer, Why not Nova?

[@allanreele8352]

I was thinking the same thing! Nova could use some love as well!

[@buckman234]

Not the Nova Corps guy tho

[@NadeemShekh-uy9zn]

You mean Frankie Raye

[@agentb1ack01]

Yeah Frankie Raye would have been more ideal, I was literally thinking the same thing, this is so stupid

[@allanreele8352]

@NadeemShekh-uy9zn yea he means the female flame-based herald a little bit after Norrin

[@Soapcloud705]

If she’s Norinn Radd… no. If she’s another Herald, I’m down.

[@Soapcloud705]

@@-cthulhu-3458 I’m down for Shalla Bal!

[@joshualastine7666]

I really wanted to see the F4 take on Rama Tut-Kang in ancient Egypt and then they come back to present day

[@joshualastine7666]

They could be stuck in the past and when they come back to the present they over shot by like 60 years

[@ChimichangoBoom]

If there wasn't a Multiverse and incursion problem happening definitely a time traveling story would work, but I have a feeling that maybe all those stories happen to this universe and we'll just get an explanation of it and not showing it like Uncle Ben in the MCU.

[@BigJoeHere]

Why would you need to block anybody for having an opinion?

[@jw1415]

At this point, Its almost like Disney is being brought down by an inside person. Sometimes people want the beef hamburger that they remember from youth, not a damn bean padddy sandwich.

[@crosstrigger1]

I love all this discussion about a character we're never going to see 😂

[@DarthSaggezza]

Your comment is the best comment I have ever read on this video thread “all the discussions that will never happen.” I just wanna sit back and watch what the MCU does with the Fantastic Four. This was the first cartoon superhero series that I watched as a kid in the 70s. This along with “the super friends“ got me into the superhero genre as a kid and it led over into my adult life as I am 52 years old now and couldn’t be a bigger fan of comic book movies, along with Star Wars. Most of the times I don’t want to see the movies go exactly like the comic books dead because I already know what’s gonna happen. I want to be pleasantly surprised. Casting a females silver surfer is no big deal to me , I don’t care. Heck we are in the “Multiverse” phase and with infinite realities anything can happen. I think that’s where some people only believe in the dogma of how things should be instead of how things could be.

[@amine15777]

Great actress , personally i prefered they go with classic silver surfer because he more iconic but im open to a new character adaptation if the story is good and done right hope tho we get also norrin rad in the futur and his dynamic with galactus and female silver surfer

[@brendenkong625]

I honestly don't see the big deal, this movie is seems to likely be in another universe. It's the Multiverse Saga and we have yet to get a film focused in an entire new universe with no limitations of the 616 continuity. Let’s be honest, we're going to get multiple versions of the Silver Surfer. Hopefully this will help Marvel make this movie stand on it's own like Iron Man.

[@winettemotorsports96]

People hated those castings but those castings didn’t change the sex of who we all know to be silver surfer ; norin rad

[@user-gg6rs4kj6w]

I don't think anyone hated the castings. The only one which was questioned was Ledger. Due to acting chops and personality which he proved wrong. But yes as you say. They didn't hinge on iconic characteristics of the character. But capability of the person playing them

[@moondevell]

Did you get pi$$ed too when Tilda Swinton was cast as the ancient one?

[@user-gg6rs4kj6w]

@@moondevell remind us how important Ancient One is and where they come bin terms of popularity? And how many of his own comics he had? It seems to me you're comparing apples to oranges. Norrin Radd Surfer is literally 8th most popular Marvel character of all time. There's thousands of comics based on him. Millions of fan art. The comparison is shocking. If they cast Spider-Man as Jessica Drew instead of Tom Holland as Peter Parker or Sharon Carter instead of Main MCU Steve Rogers you'd maybe have an argument

[@Linklex7]

@@user-gg6rs4kj6wNo they didn’t hated Jackman, but Keaton did originally get some backlash. Younger fans just don’t remember it. People wrote tons of letters to WB asking for Batman not to be Mr Mom.

[@beaustange]

There is more than one silver surfer in the comics. Is her character the most known, no. If the movie is good, it won’t matter.

[@turnerjazz7872]

Guys, you need to get some perspective back. You're talking about how they don't need to do an origin of the fantastic four because we all know who they are. The last fantastic four movie was almost 10 years ago and nobody saw it. The "we" who know who they are are comic book nerds and we're not enough to support the MCU. Just look back at the incredible hulk movie. How much do we now wish we had a real legitimate MCU origin of the hulk? They didn't do that because 'everybody knew who the hulk was' and what is origin was. I completely disagree on this one. Yes, do a fantastic four origin. Do it in the multiverse, in another universe but we should not assume that everybody just knows who they are unless we only want comic nerds to see these movies, in which case the MCU will collapse.

[@mobboss4205]

-MCU hmmm No.

[@youngn71890]

That's silly you guys would say it's the removing of an agenda. Fans aren't mad because of this. They are mad because it ignores the MOST NOTORIOUS VERSION of the character. Sure marvel has countless versions and alternative versions of many characters but as far as fan service they want to see noran rad. Likening it to some sort of male patriarchy agenda is silly. That's like if they made a super dog movie, called it super dog. But it was a cat. It's a turn off to people hungry for an adaptation of the most popular original source material. However weve done been introduced to so many miss the mark versions in live action portrayals I wouldn't be surprised if they casted Ben grims "the thing" as geodude from pokemon.

[@HaleysTusk]

I wonder if this changes if they play into the connection between the Surfer and Sue? Will they flip it and make the Surfer attracted to Reed now, or will they keep it with Sue? 🤔

[@Chad0023]

Now She'll be attracted to her bro Johnny 😂

[@DURO-5]

No she'll still be attracted to sue and Sue will go with it because Disney will not have a heterosexual woman turn down a lesbians advancements😂😂😢

[@macdaddy9344]

LOL … South Park foreshadowed this… “Put a chick in it, …” … LOL

[@gimpsor]

The X-Men should do a giant-sized X-Men rescue mission from Krakoa. Newer characters the Movie audience has never or rarely seen before rescue older characters we've seen before. Set up using the Island as base and conflict with Genosha.

[@ugoeze7360]

You know what they say about men with big hands and big feet? They say that he’s a Beast.

[@seewhativescene]

Odd flex for a virtual room of comic book nerds, was this for the furry community?

[@ugoeze7360]

@@seewhativescene don’t know who you’re referring to with this one…

[@dkoli]

also technically true as those correlate with the % of neanderthal you have in you

[@_XR40_]

Personally, I'm not worried about who plays the Silver Surfer. I was out as soon as Pascal was cast as Reed Richards.....

[@bestsleep4380]

Wouldn’t the woman who played madam web in that movie be best? We know she can give all the background quickly like “hey galactus you have been eating worlds already for 5 years, have you ever faced a world where they fight back?” Then blank stares lol

[@KCG7]

22:48 - We don’t hate women or blacks or any other race. We just want our old stories that we grew up in to be the same with what we grew up with because that what we love and gives us the feels. They are going about things all wrong. If you want more women and racial characters or whatever then write them with their own new fresh story that’s unique to them that we can become invested in. I’d love some new characters.

[@bryanfine986]

That’s just it though. Us “incels” go crazy for Eve from Stellar Blade, an original strong female character, or we support Cara Dune, and the wokies can’t handle that either. It has nothing to do with whether or not we support new, or old, “strong female characters”. They want us to support only the female characters which embody their sexless ideology, and go along with it when they “update” existing characters to do just that.

[@KCG7]

@@bryanfine986 yea I loved Black Widow and Scarlet Witch and look. They’re both dead in the MCU.

[@edr3158]

Another bad Fantastic Four movie coming in 2025. When are they going to actually make a good Fantastic Four movie?

[@mrgotitfordalow]

Judging by this comment, I'd say never for you since you seem to have already made up your mind.

[@ULTRAOutdoorsman]

@@mrgotitfordalow There's no reason to believe this will be any good. The only thing they seem to have gotten right was setting it in the 1960s because otherwise the Fantastic Four themselves are charmless as hell. I think a good sign that someone is attempting to actually make a good Fantastic Four movie would be if it were an animated feature and not trying to shove TV actors into rubber suits or have Joel from Last of Us whip his wiggly arms around Ruth from Ozark. Even if the casting were perfect (and it's never been), the whole thing is way too ridiculous to be live action.

[@SamuraiXKdubs]

Something i just noticed as you said multiverse and show Reed using the time timeform, the visual on the platform looks like a 2d view of the multiverse.

[@BuildinWings]

Both universes are going to be crashed into the MCU for Secret Wars anyways. The versions we have of everything right now are temporary and SUPER subject to drastic change. Unwad your undergarments of choice.

[@user-oi3ry9dx9u]

This is a terrible decision by marvel...again...

[@The_Infamous_Boogyman]

1:17 pretty sure Doug Jones doesn't look like a bald silver person either

[@TimothyMReynolds]

Slott - Allred - Allred SILVER SURFER run is perfect.

[@hearstboy]

I don't have any opinions on the casting itself, I just wish they would work on a storyline that hasn't been tried before. There's already a F4: Silversurfer movie. Whether you think it's a good or bad adaptation of the conceit... err.. I mean concept, there are many more characters that can be adapted that haven't yet made it to the big screen.

[@ryseesbest8135]

That South Park was comedy gold and 100% accurate. FF is literally doing what they said putting a chick in it and chances are norrin radd will be her best friend and she’ll have a gf instead so making her gay and lame. Pedro pascal isn’t Reid Richards and was a terrible casting also. Down goes the Disney stock just like South Park said. That episode was spot on and comedy gold. All 3 of you know it’s true

[@nosfonader8792]

This is a movie that Marvel really should have played it safe with. Alexander Skarsgard would have been my choice for Norran Radd Silver Surfer, easy. Johnn Hamm would be Dr Doom. They know what kind of outrage reaction this would have gotten by doing this casting. I would have just played it very safe and stayed the traditional route with the Fantastic Four.

[@re2gie]

Exactly, people keep saying this is in an alternate universe, like if this movie doesn't do well you think Disney will revisit FF again. Honestly, this might end up like the Marvels, not enough people who support this movie will see it to make it a success, the majority of the fans has seemingly wrote this off because it's not what they want. Just like they didn't want the Marvels movie.

[@BaithNa]

​@@re2gieand just like with the Marvels, they'll blame the fans when it fails and shield themselves from any criticisms with their surface level faux progressivism.

[@12oshinko]

The Ryan solo vids are the best

[@mobboss4205]

Lol seemed like they were mad at the decision but took it out on the viewers

[@DavidEvans_dle]

Marvel could have partially introduced the alternate universe in a WTW sort of way in Infinity Wars. By having Doom teleport in a Thanos Fight scene, take instruments reading and teleportating away.

[@Rocksauce]

Make Glactus a THICC woman

[@blairhoughton7918]

Sofia Vergara could rail that role.

[@Rocksauce]

@@blairhoughton7918 I’m in for that. It’s only fair

[@RICOFRITO]

With this mentality I can see Ru Paul cast to be Galactus. "To me my herald! Let's SLAY!" 😐

[@SPACEKNOCKERZ76]

🥱 galactica is a thing already. It’s not a swap. You just wanted the chrome bulge in imax

[@RICOFRITO]

​@@SPACEKNOCKERZ76 ...is a thing... not a swap??? Look all I know as a comic book fan the Silver Surfer is definitely a man and should be portrayed as one onscreen. If they wanted a female herald they could have used Nova! She was a very cool kickass character. But I guess you want to see chrome breasts in Imax yourself. 😁 But I digress and I'll reserve judgement until the movie comes out they might explain it in a way to make old school fans happy.☮

[@blairhoughton7918]

That would slap.

[@alanwells4460]

Alright.... That first edit with the silver surfer Garner scream just convinced me to subscribe!

[@gamerghxst]

Colton’s Silver Surfer plot was a really good pitch. I want to see that movie.

[@mando9497]

As soon as the proxy war was resolved, Disney didn’t waste any time doubling down on their stupidity.

[@seewhativescene]

You edited your comment to double down on your own brand of stupidity of arguing by proxy instead of saying what you meant

[@jpsketch03]

I think it's wild that certain people are calling this a "female Silver Surfer" or a "gender swap". It's an entirely different character that exists in the comics.

[@youssefmesrati340]

There are 2 separate characters the iconic silver surfer everyone loves is Norrington and this silver surfer is actually his wife but we need the male silver surfer

[@JebJebJebbers]

The timing is terrible in terms of optics but i'm okay with this. Marvel normally casts really well, the writing is my worry. Maybe Sister Surfer can kill off the Super Skrull sized hole they left after Secret Invasion?

[@profpoyo]

Galactus is basically Doom during Hickman's Avengers.

[@Cimarb]

Well, it being Shallah-Bal does not mean she is not a created being that is a clean slate, necessarily. There are a bunch of variants of Shallah-Bal (named that) in the comics across all the multiverse already, so it could be a completely new variant of her story for the movies. On that note, though, I hope they make her more like the Starglow version, or the twin surfers and maybe Norrin is a human that she meets during the movie and their roles are essentially swapped here.

[@OptimusTOM]

Anyone with an imagination can put this puzzle together. Feige is saving Noran rad for another silver surfer / Galactus movie down the line. in THIS movie, the silver surfer won’t back down. She’ll be bad ass. And she and Galactus will destroy the earth. Forcing the fantastic 4 to leave their universe and come to ours. Or … you could just get mad and sound like an unimaginative caveman.

[@neil3giles]

“Did marvel DOOM the fantastic four” was right there the caption ,

[@serversurfer6169]

I didn't know Surfer originally had a different origin, but I like Stan's better. Norrin Radd sacrificed everything he loved to save everything he loved. That's legend shit. 🙇

[@thomasjones4570]

Is using the least popular surfer a mistake? Is that really a question that ANYONE that is sane should even be asking...give me a break.

[@7halosstudiosinc294]

I disagree, why blow the load using the original Surfer right now, when you can save him for the next fantastic 4 movies. And set up the Galactus and Surfer universe. Doesn't make since not to do that.

[@thomasjones4570]

@@7halosstudiosinc294 Because the Fantastic 4 is about far more than just the Silver Surfer and Galactus. The list of enemies is VAST and to spend an entire movie using a character few people even like is a WASTE OF A GOD DAMN MOVIE. Also, stop PRETENDING that they are not using Silver Surfer because he is fairly well known. Their is no defense for in turn using the least popular version of the character for a movie that is supposed to reboot and prop up The Fantastic Four...it literally goes AGAINST the entire flipping idea. Hey I know. Lets reboot The Lord of the RIngs and use Oin, Gimli's Uncle and tell the story of how he...how about no? Just because a character exists, does not mean it should be used and made a focus especially when so few care.

[@7halosstudiosinc294]

@@thomasjones4570 Your missing out on the fact that Silver Surfer has already been used in the past and needs a complete reboot. So why not actually tell a series of movies making him a great villian by building character, motive and story world. Instead of rushing him into one movie and continuing the Marvel villian problem. That's what made Thanos such a good villian, he had an entire story arc over multiple movies. Follow the same formula.They have only one time to get this right. Of course FF has other villians so why not introduce them first and slow build the Silver Surfer story arc over multiple movies. So the final battle will be an epic, cosmic level event and not forced. Again same formula as the Avengers and infinity saga. Once they use Silver Surfer and Galactus that's it'll, all they have left is Dr Doom and the rest off the FF villians are not even on the same level.

[@reecewilliams8349]

Why does anyone think that the universe at the end of the marvels is 838? They distinctly referenced prof X in that scene and he is dead in 838 by wandas hand.

[@acolytesounds]

Xavier in the comics has survived similar psychic attacks that "killed" him. And Binary could be the result of something they did to heal Captain Marvel. She was originally experimented on by the Brood and "something" happened and she got bonus powers. It's a stretch for both characters to be sure. Additionally Krakoan Xmen can literally resurrect themselves so who's to say they don't have that in the oddly Distopian Utopia of 838..

[@reecewilliams8349]

@@acolytesounds still impossible. Beast and Binary were shook that someone was even able to come from another universe. 838 was fully studying multiversal travel. Different universe.

[@jonathanfranco8547]

​@@acolytesoundsAlso Maria Rambeau is called Captain Marvel in 838, and Binary in the X-Men universe. Also, 838 Maria is dead.

[@navinanase]

It's not. Maria and Xavier are dead in 838, unless Monica travel not only through space but also in time

[@acolytesounds]

@@reecewilliams8349 Ah. Very good point. Yes, they should know about Multiversal travel if it was 838.

[@theuglyinsect4093]

These dudes in the video are just studio shills -gaslighting and vilifying fans for, God forbid, wanting the version of the character that has been a staple of the comics for the last 60+ years and not some obscure alternative iteration that was depicted as a silver surfer for like one issue. The bad guys here are not the fans but rather the hacks at screencrush who are gaslighting you for not accepting this needless change and not eagerly gobbling up anything current day Disney/Marvel craps out. It’s bad enough that Disney/Marvel continue to drive the MCU into the ground and churn out garbage product year in, year out but then to have disingenuous clowns like this try to insist that somehow you’re the bad guy for not happily swallowing this swill is just unbelievable in its audacity.

[@BigJoeHere]

“He” is a presence, the silver surfer lol

[@MorganVsTheInternet]

Shalla-Bal’s Silver Surfer isn't a new character, and it makes sense to have an alternate Earth Silver Surfer for a story set outside the main timeline of the MCU!

[@Byronic19134]

Imagine if The Hulk wasn’t in the MCU and you finally hear he’s coming to the MCU and you get all pumped and then find out it’s not Banner Hulk tho it’s Amadeus Cho Hulk. Wouldn’t you feel like, wtf, why? Specifically if they did that move after years of their fans saying no we want the main characters not these obscure D list superhero’s.

[@GangstaMojo]

It's not the Surfer we wanna see....flop

[@mobboss4205]

MCU is clueless

[@robrussell7828]

I like her, isnt there a version of the female surfer in the comics? if so, why people mad about it? usually thats their main argument

[@SYKOPATHeist]

a comic that flopped....like this movie will

[@robrussell7828]

@@SYKOPATHeist hope not.

[@RtistiqSkubie]

​@@robrussell7828well your hope will be dashed

[@robrussell7828]

@@RtistiqSkubie theres no way 1 character ruins this movie.

[@antarchy1]

They are mad about it because they are sad little people.

[@robert557]

its possible they are goin to leave her behind when FF comes to the MCU universe and then introduce Norrin radd

[@jdperry1917]

I know I'm cynical but the gender swap decision really feels gratuitous, like they did it specifically to piss people off because it creates online engagement. I'm sure they can make it work Juno and Shalla-Bal were female surfers but they aren't who anyone thinks of whenever anyone says "Silver Surfer", no one is sitting around clamoring for Juno or Shalla-Bal (Earth-9997) to be introduced into the MCU. The motivation feels like it was done for the sake of doing it and that does not make for good story telling.

[@notzac87]

I really don’t understand what the problem is

[@SPACEKNOCKERZ76]

Same lol people wanted a bald dude with a chrome bulge I guess lol

[@LovelySponge22]

Well as a comic book reader he’s the main Silver Surfer. However I agree, if the rumors are true an this takes place in a alternate universe she’s not THE SILVER SURFER(The one I’ve grown to enjoy), but just one in another universe

[@nailinthefashion]

@@SPACEKNOCKERZ76repressed bi guys not realizing they have a type :(

[@usernameunknown69]

I personally like the idea of a sexy Silver Surfer, the curves would look incredible in silver

[@Chad0023]

It seems some of us r sexist-ish

[@KillaD69]

Fans: We want to see Silver Surfer! Disney: Oh really? Here ya go 😏 Fans: No, not like that!

[@joeparrigen4982]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@blairhoughton7918]

Then those aren't really fans.

[@user-xp3mn9we3m]

They really are using the multiverse to its fullest potential at this point. They can have X-men '97, Fantastic Four, Deadpool 3, etc without a bunch of exposition to include them in the universe. I personally have hope for Secret Wars.

[@willyperez2475]

Same I think Secret Wars is going to be awesome 🎉🎉🎉

[@joshclark5778]

Since the Fantastic Four will be set in the 1960’s, I think it will go one of two ways: 1. They are in the 1960’s of the “616” (ugh…it really isn’t really the 616) MCU. Whatever plot points happen, I feel like it’s related to the Negative Zone. Either they have their Cosmic Ray origin or they have a Phantom Zone origin like Josh Trank’s FF movie (hope they don’t go back to that well). One way or another, adventures in the Negative Zone leaves them stranded and they reemerge in the present day (maybe time flows differently there in the MCU?). 2. They exist in a parallel universe adjacent to the 616 that is basically the equivalent of the 1960’s. An incursion between their universe and the 616 brings them into the main MCU. I bet Doom caused the dimensional shenanigans that triggered the incursion (but which universe is Doom from?).

[@maxbetcashout]

😂 I'll just wait for it to hit Disney + why would I waste my money at the box office on this. Haven't they learned their lesson

[@fauxjackhorseman5793]

ok, this is prolly gonna be a long one as a very long time F4 fan. There are a few things with this upcoming movie that have me very worried that once again were gonna get a fantastic flop. First is the casting of Reed, I think Marvel is making a huge mistake casting Pedro Pascal as Reed and not going with the superior choice of Glenn Howerton, who not only looks way more like Reed throughout the comics but has a way closer personality in things like IASIP that are more in line with the egotistical aloofness of the smartest man on earth. Second, if theyre just going to reboot things after secret wars it seems like a huge waste blowing their load with galactus right out the gate instead of building up his arrival similar to what Fantastic Four Life Story did, just on a smaller timeline. Third, if it wasnt for the Kang problem they could have had a very easy way to introduce them as being starting in the 60s and ended up trapped back in the ancient Egypt and up against a RamaTut variant of Kang. Personally i think they're wasting a perfect opportunity to really set up a major player in either version of secret wars by not making the antagonist of the first film the origin story of Owen Reece the Molecule Man. I would even settle for Moleman for a first villain over going with Galactus. Its been almost 20 years and i still have an extremely bad taste in my mouth from the last time they attempted to bring Galactus to the screen. Also since you guys brought up grindhouse style films, a perfect candidate for that would be the X-Terminators, which would even give them a chance to link Blade and the Vampire Nation into the MCU and would give a reason to bring back X23 along with Jubilee, Dazzler and BoomBoom. ok, rant over

[@acampbel26]

I for one am ok with a female version of the Surfer as long as she plays Shah-ball (not Norin Rad) and that she dies at the end of the movie while trying to save the Fantastic Four by sending them to the 616 MCU so they can warn the other earths/universes about the coming of Galactus. What about that for a plot twist.

[@jasongallagher5464]

I’ve only grabbed my armrests twice in the theatre. Once was seeing Charlie cox as Matt Murdock in no way home and the other was John krasinski as Reed Richards and I was so happy and then they just took it away like that

[@Trump-or-Die]

Atleast we know not to waste our time or money on this shit show of a film.

[@ULTRAOutdoorsman]

Honestly the second I saw Jessica Alba wearing contacts I had an uncanny sense that there would literally never be a good Fantastic Four movie before the next dark age

[@WarriorsforInfoTV]

That South Park episode was hilarious Ryan.

[@robertmills5262]

I got goosebumps when you said Julia garner! Loooooooooove it!!!

[@mobboss4205]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 sure you did

[@GeekyN8]

So hypothesis 1 It's an ultimates universe and all the marvel characters are active as per the comics in a 60s setting. So it's not just a fantastic four universe. Hypothesis 2 it's in the main MCU universe but the herald is coming to get them to come help fight annihilus rather than Galactus being the villain and that story was already dealt with for this FF team it could also give us a brief visual of Isaiah Bradley's captain America in some mission in latveria.

[@MovieMuseOfficial]

In theory, the OG surfer could still be in the film, too. They very well could still just be working on casting him. 🤷‍♂️

[@Byronic19134]

In theory this choice is so tone deaf and dumb it could bankrupt Disney by casting a female SilverSurfer. It could be the last straw. They are putting a ton of money and hope into F4 as Feige has been planning this for a decade and just the choice of casting a female SS is going to cause so much a backlash it just went from a potential billion dollar movie to maybe 250 million.

[@SonnyDlicious]

Why would you think they would do that after all these years of swapping men for women

[@MovieMuseOfficial]

​@@SonnyDlicious "In theory"