Massive FAKE Silver Scam Operation - BUYER BEWARE

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Silver Dragons

Silver Dragons

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@daviddixon2209
@daviddixon2209 Жыл бұрын
I bought 5 of these in an ebay auction. If this happens to you, the one thing you DON'T want to tell eBay is that they're counterfeit. Ebay makes you jump through all kinds of hoops and they take forever to refund your money. Instead, you should say that the item was not as described. I claimed that they were mislabeled as ASEs but, they were actually theatrical props. I returned the fakes and had my money back in about 5 days.
@theambiguoustruth8167
@theambiguoustruth8167 Жыл бұрын
Did you look at the dealer history or location?
@daviddixon2209
@daviddixon2209 Жыл бұрын
@@theambiguoustruth8167 The guy had a decent rating and several hundred auctions
@snoopu2601
@snoopu2601 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing, I like buying from my local coin exchange. Person to person they have been in business for many year's. Even then I would have to get a second opinion just in case a fake got through them some how.
@RZ500KID
@RZ500KID Жыл бұрын
When they sale 10 for $168.00 it's hard to pass until you get them and check them yourself. I'm trying to get money back Now, Mexican Aztec Coins which are beautiful.
@stillwatersfarm8499
@stillwatersfarm8499 Жыл бұрын
I bought through Ebay and they refunded no problem just took a bit. I just clicked that they weren’t as described, and when it asked for an explanation I said they were counterfeit and posted a photo of them stuck to a magnet. It gave me a label to send them back and I sent them, but they came back to me. Then I contacted Ebay and said they came back to me and I think they were scammers, and Ebay refunded my money. It didn’t require a lot of hoops, but it took time doing it that way and probably wasted more of Ebay’s money, but I didn’t see how to report it without going through the prescribed channels on the website. 🤷🏼‍♀️ Lesson learned I guess.
@TylerLarbes
@TylerLarbes Жыл бұрын
Buying the FAKE to show us in the vid is expert level, and just really commendable. Imagine us all taking our hats off and bowing in thanks for your effort in exposing this!
@MikeBarbarossa
@MikeBarbarossa Жыл бұрын
I wanted him to cut into it to see what it was
@bigbomberstacker9321
@bigbomberstacker9321 Жыл бұрын
Anytime I see fake silver ad's on social media. I report and block them.
@TheSimba86
@TheSimba86 Жыл бұрын
I report them all the time also and facebook has never removed a single one, they don't care so long as they are getting paid to run the ad
@strategygalactic
@strategygalactic Жыл бұрын
Everyone needs to make money. Chill out
@nobiden3134
@nobiden3134 Жыл бұрын
Why would anyone want to trade a FAILING CURRENCY for Precious Metals?... cant help but think there's a new alloy that replaces the demand for Silver.. like Stainless Steel for jewelry...
@bobfrantz534
@bobfrantz534 Жыл бұрын
And u know they're fake bc it says so
@bigbomberstacker9321
@bigbomberstacker9321 Жыл бұрын
@Bob Frantz no, I know they're fake because you can't buy an ASE for $20 online. Hello red flag! Common sense, but that's hard to find these days. Good luck.
@OzGeologyOfficial
@OzGeologyOfficial Жыл бұрын
The website is back up and is selling different items now. So messed up... Thanks for spreading the word.
@mackk123
@mackk123 Жыл бұрын
back in the day the punishment for counterfeiting was fatal
@busterbiloxi3833
@busterbiloxi3833 Жыл бұрын
Put the Maronites in jail.
@janjapopadartza3557
@janjapopadartza3557 Жыл бұрын
@@busterbiloxi3833 And the counterfeiting Zionist with the federal reserve bank which is totally illegal under the constitution
@josephunruh7353
@josephunruh7353 Жыл бұрын
F... China!
@ttm1093
@ttm1093 10 ай бұрын
Most fakes are made in China where there's no law against it.
@mattalderton3723
@mattalderton3723 Жыл бұрын
Great message Dragon I personally only buy from bullion dealers and a couple of coin dealers I've been dealing with for over 30 years but unfortunately there's so many people that buy other ways and I hate to hear about them getting ripped off
@hustledelphia460
@hustledelphia460 Жыл бұрын
So what are some of the bullion dealers that you deal with if you don't mind telling
@alanroberts6918
@alanroberts6918 11 ай бұрын
SDbullion is legit.
@no2thenwo737
@no2thenwo737 Жыл бұрын
This once was seen as an act of war. Thanks for the heads up.
@dennisdragomir7572
@dennisdragomir7572 Жыл бұрын
getting Biden dems to enforce our laws? hahahahahah.. Look at 100,000 crossing from Mexico
@teresahiggs4896
@teresahiggs4896 Жыл бұрын
As much as the goverment is bought by China, they don’t care what China does anymore . Even if it destroys America. As long as they keep getting richer and stay in power.
@jmr9735
@jmr9735 Жыл бұрын
Wow, that comparison at the end of the video was wild! It's so unfortunate that we have to question EVERYTHING now.
@williamthompson1455
@williamthompson1455 Жыл бұрын
We always had to. . . Wtf are you smoking? I want some. I also have a past I want to glorify.
@kirbdawg5307
@kirbdawg5307 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Silver Dragon 🐉!! Good looking out as always!!!
@dragonshoardstacker
@dragonshoardstacker Жыл бұрын
The sophistication and amount of work these scammers put into tricking people is diabolical wish they would put all that work into a real job instead of fake coins but people buy them and they keep doing it its sad but you bringing this to light is great thanks my friend
@krauthead4
@krauthead4 Жыл бұрын
You'd think the time and money put into fakes wouldn't be worth the money they get out of it. Crazy.
@JB-ej8zy
@JB-ej8zy Жыл бұрын
Yea it isnt like they are selling them for 1000 dollars its stupid what length these idiots will go to instead of just getting a job.
@russelder9743
@russelder9743 Жыл бұрын
@@JB-ej8zy I think they get a thrill out of ripping off Americans
@iamgabriel5823
@iamgabriel5823 Жыл бұрын
China has millions of political prisoners in detention centers. This is cost free labor for them. When those poor people can no longer work, they sell their organs. STOP BUYING PRODUCTS FROM THAT LARGE ASIAN COUNTRY!
@good-bye_blue_sky
@good-bye_blue_sky Жыл бұрын
The Chinese are hurting the coin business on a massive scale. They counterfeit EVERYTHING! Silver Eagles, Chinese Pandas, Maple Leafs, PCGS graded Junk Boat dollars, Peace & Morgan dollars and MANY more! ....they actually have contests amongst the counterfeiters to see who can do the best counterfeiting. It's getting out of hand
@WorldMoneyWins
@WorldMoneyWins Жыл бұрын
Thanks for putting out this warning!! Spread the word everyone! :-)
@lamartinezola8507
@lamartinezola8507 Жыл бұрын
They dont only come from CHina.. stop projecting your evil thoughtts on others: countries with most fake stuffs. 90% of stuffs you buy in America is fake
@janicejohnson1334
@janicejohnson1334 Жыл бұрын
Hell ya Spread the word . . . . I'm telling EVERYBODY I know
@R.L.Thomas
@R.L.Thomas Жыл бұрын
This warning he put out has been out for 2 years, this hype is a marketing ploy to sell silver to people like you who take things at face value. I googled fake coins and that's how I found out the warnings have been out there for 2 years. You can tell by his emphasis on fake coins with words like" massive" and capitalizing the word fake. As far as I am concerned he's dancing on the line between honest and sleazy.
@JeffreyAllanBackowski
@JeffreyAllanBackowski Жыл бұрын
What do you think of Jewish people? I think they're f*cking awesome. I wanted to hear Money's view of the relationship, because it is no secret how Jewish people feel about you, but is that love mutual, do you feel used, I always see you past around men, changing hands, exchanged for goods and services, only to be discarded like trash when you are old and wrinkled :-(
@courgettee
@courgettee Жыл бұрын
idk, if dumbasses want to waste their money who cares
@dathyr1
@dathyr1 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for all the information on these coins. I am not a coin collector, but it is nice to know what scams are going on with Coins.
@Fstcars666
@Fstcars666 Жыл бұрын
The Chinese rip everything off 💩
@carystorm1863
@carystorm1863 9 ай бұрын
I got burned as well ,should've known buy 2 get 1 free, bought 2 2023 silver eagles and two 1/2 gram gold coins got me for about 180 bux which also shows how dumb I am,return address was hard to read but it looks like they came from africa ?
@yangpiao849
@yangpiao849 Жыл бұрын
I've definitely seen some fake coin scammer ads on fb - blatantly bogus prices, weird unrecognized names (no reputation), everything not adding up if you really look at it, etc. I'm a normally suspicious person so I look for things like that, but unfortunately many do not. Thanks for putting this out!
@SilverDragons47
@SilverDragons47 Жыл бұрын
you are welcome!
@TheQuickSilver101
@TheQuickSilver101 Жыл бұрын
I knew the notch was going to be a huge nothing. That is a frightening fake. Thank you for doing this video!
@katnass
@katnass Жыл бұрын
Denis is one of the most stand up guys I've had the pleasure to work with! Thank you both!
@christianelder4983
@christianelder4983 Жыл бұрын
Yeah well he needs to check up on his recommendation for SD bullion. I put in an order last week they are doing a float on the money and the order won't come in until next week. They claim it takes 3 to 5 business days to process the money through their account and 3-5 more to get it shipped. He needs to let folks know they're going to hold onto your shipment while they get interest on the float. I told them I wanted to cancel and they are going to charge a fee for that. I have real concerns whether they are actually legit, definitely not consumer friendly.
@KA-vs7nl
@KA-vs7nl Жыл бұрын
This is why china will never win, everything in their society is fake
@evilgenius3646
@evilgenius3646 Жыл бұрын
This is highly upsetting. What happens in the future when we need to liquidate our silver? Buying from a reputable dealer is all well and good if you never have to sell the coins. But how is a buyer supposed to trust your coins are legitimate when the market is flooded with fakes?
@ToadsTho
@ToadsTho Жыл бұрын
They'll test it, just like he did in the video. Fake silver will fail the tests, real silver will pass. Nothing to stress over unless you're a dealer, then you've got to be more vigilant, unfortunately.
@LadderMover
@LadderMover Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the warning, also need to watch out for fakes that are priced as genuine and as you said, only buy from a reputable dealer.
@stardust949
@stardust949 Жыл бұрын
thank you for letting your subscribers know ~ it figures, right? so sad. times are worrisome enough right now.
@mikes9759
@mikes9759 Жыл бұрын
I'm glad I checked this channel!! I have been watching the market to purchase some precious metals and I have learned a scary amount of knowledge in a short period!! Boy the scammers are really going through everything imaginable to take advantage of unaware people!!! Thanks to Silver Dragons for putting this out there!!!!
@enginenut
@enginenut Жыл бұрын
Please at this point cut the fake in half and do a follow up video. Possibly heat up a piece so we can see the suspected copper to silver plating separation. Excellent and informative. Thanks for the 28$ sacrifice.
@Run4Ever77
@Run4Ever77 Жыл бұрын
But first show it in a ping test, and with a simple phone app ping test please!!
@michaelb6488
@michaelb6488 Жыл бұрын
In the process of getting a total Ebay debacle settled right now. Ten eagles that were just slightly less than other seller's--passed the magnet and ping tests; however, there were subtle differences on the coin's markings (the branches had little "berries" and the denticles were just slightly larger). The seller shipped from a New Jersey address that was an abandoned factory, despite being located in California, then used an arbitrary return address of some empty land in Burbank. It immediately forwarded to another arbitrary location, then gets stuck in postal limbo. As far as returning them, use the not as described option, and if it doesn't get to the return address promptly, stay on top of the Ebay case so it remains valid. I feel that these people are using the returns process, and the difficulty in navigating Ebay's support to make returns super difficult.
@TimsStackingAdventure
@TimsStackingAdventure Жыл бұрын
Thanks for putting this out there.
@QuestoDomini
@QuestoDomini Жыл бұрын
I bought a fake on purpose to use for a desk decoration at work. I always get compliments on the piece and encourage the handling of the coin. I find it’s a great tool/conversation starter to talking about precious metals. To this day 3 fellow employees are now interested in getting into stacking.
@RobertLee-wi5kc
@RobertLee-wi5kc Жыл бұрын
Might not want to advertise this. I believe possession of counterfeits is illegal. (not a lawyer). Even if your reasoning is good I remember a story of someone who collected counterfeits for educational purposes and they were confiscated by treasury agents.
@misterc6012
@misterc6012 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Silver 🐉 Scammers NEVERr let a crisis go to waste. Some are easy to spot out like these you mentioned. Thanks again for being a Watchman and another Awesome video How do you stay "off the radar" and trust the black market at the same time...
@Evom777
@Evom777 Жыл бұрын
Buy a Sigma. 😉
@misterc6012
@misterc6012 Жыл бұрын
@@Evom777 , Lets go halves...LOL
@brendabrown5530
@brendabrown5530 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this valuable information, I had no idea this was going on. Thanks please keep up the good work.
@flyboy1616
@flyboy1616 Жыл бұрын
I got 5 from one purchase that were fake last week from eBay. I complained and the seller immediately refunded me. The seller wanted me to change my negative feedback so they could continue their scam. I said nope
@RichieMain
@RichieMain Жыл бұрын
Same. exactly the same
@flyboy1616
@flyboy1616 Жыл бұрын
@@RichieMain I just went and checked and the listing was removed so not even visible and so is my feedback.
@mountainghoti1671
@mountainghoti1671 Жыл бұрын
@@flyboy1616 Playing the system is all part of the scam. How did you know they were fake? Did you keep any? Cut or drill to check the insides?
@flyboy1616
@flyboy1616 Жыл бұрын
@@mountainghoti1671 other feedback said they were fake. I didn’t see the feedback until they had shipped but not been delivered. I check doing the ping test then weighed them. Ping test hasn’t let me down,
@jamesdennehey1383
@jamesdennehey1383 Жыл бұрын
@@RichieMain same
@kymadness0344
@kymadness0344 Жыл бұрын
I just started to collect silver, bought my 1st 10oz bar, I appreciate this video! Thanks 👍
@DoctorShafty
@DoctorShafty Жыл бұрын
Damn. Fakes are getting good. The eagle really needs some better security features.
@Evom777
@Evom777 Жыл бұрын
Agreed, and considering that it's the U.S. Mint, one would expect them to have better features than a pathetic indentation on the rim.
@mountainghoti1671
@mountainghoti1671 Жыл бұрын
@@Evom777 The silver Maple and Britannia both have a brilliant added feature; the US hasn't ever really cared deeply about counterfeiters.
@ewmegoolies
@ewmegoolies Жыл бұрын
To bad China pays F J B to ignore currency and mint forgeries!!
@matthewwynne939
@matthewwynne939 Жыл бұрын
There is a mild bit of irony to having a video coming out today about fake coins. I had gone to a local coin shop today to pick up some junk silver and when I got home I found a 2007 quarter mixed in. I'm not saying that the shop did it, or even that it was sold to them intentionally like that. Just always have to be on the lookout.
@chaicharin
@chaicharin Жыл бұрын
Wow that fake was really good but it sure looked funky. You forgot to do the ping test on it as well.
@lamartinezola8507
@lamartinezola8507 Жыл бұрын
They dont only come from CHina.. stop projecting your evil thoughtts on others: countries with most fake stuffs. 90% of stuffs you buy in America is fake
@coinaz
@coinaz Жыл бұрын
Thanks for info!
@RicosBettaWorld
@RicosBettaWorld Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing this information.
@MinimalistOutdoors
@MinimalistOutdoors Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sheding light on this. 👍
@Sano_Ohno
@Sano_Ohno Жыл бұрын
I saw that add in FB and I almost bought 30 pcs I’m glad I stick to my guts that the prices are too good to be true 😢
@theodoreboosalis
@theodoreboosalis Жыл бұрын
JC - that's nuts. Buy from reputable dealers - then you will not worry about it. 2023 Silver Eagles at SD are ~45 for small orders.
@thesarge4457
@thesarge4457 Жыл бұрын
Good Morning Sir, we have to do our due diligence, granted it could happen to any of us, so doing the background is a must for us P.M.'s stackers, Thank you for the warning and updates. Thank You Sir, your truly one of the good guys. THE SARGE
@Bubba603
@Bubba603 Жыл бұрын
I do not buy from from adds. It’s tempting sometimes but not worth it. SD bullion or coin shop. Thanks Silver Dragons!
@sherieward7707
@sherieward7707 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing Silver Dragons appreciate your time and the warning. The U also is a great fake identifier if it doesn’t have a tail it’s fake hope you have a great day Best wishes
@matthewgoode6695
@matthewgoode6695 Жыл бұрын
That is only accurate on 2021 Type 1 ASE's and older. All type 2's don't have a tail on the U.
@ColoradoCarGuy
@ColoradoCarGuy Жыл бұрын
Ok I have 5 fake ones I got from Ebay, out of china, and they are not magnetic, they come in at 1.09 the ping is off, and the missing reed is correct, but the reeds are twice the size. I also noticed that it does look like a flat spray painted look. But it's the reeds that was the biggest give away. I will be taking one out to the rifle range and put a hole in one first chance I get.
@theambiguoustruth8167
@theambiguoustruth8167 Жыл бұрын
Ebay tells you it's from China! Never buy any silver or anything from a China! It's always fake!
@BillGuyHawaii
@BillGuyHawaii Жыл бұрын
THANK YOU FOR TELLING EVERYONE. New stackers all the time. Help new people out. Right on Brother AAAAA PLUS
@bobsacamano7653
@bobsacamano7653 Жыл бұрын
I wish something could be done to stop these scams.
@ct87gn25
@ct87gn25 Жыл бұрын
Perhaps we can get Hunter to talk to his Chinese friends?? Just sayin......
@dennisdragomir7572
@dennisdragomir7572 Жыл бұрын
I bot from ali to have actual fakes to examine..
@duckhunter8387
@duckhunter8387 Жыл бұрын
@@dennisdragomir7572 I bought a bunch from Ali too. Going to hand them out for Holloween.
@bobsacamano7653
@bobsacamano7653 Жыл бұрын
@@duckhunter8387 buying fakes will just get them to make more fakes.
@Raycheetah
@Raycheetah Жыл бұрын
@@duckhunter8387 Don't do it. Legally, US Silver Eagles are *CURRENCY,* which means you would be guilty of circulating counterfeit money. ='[.]'=
@firetomd
@firetomd Жыл бұрын
thanks for posting this, good job.
@ItsEverythingElse
@ItsEverythingElse Жыл бұрын
A tube or two of these $2 fakes from Alibaba might make a nice distraction for thieves.
@sjrr124
@sjrr124 Жыл бұрын
That is what I did! I have an unlocked safe with a bunch of fakes. My hope is that a lazy thief will think they scored and run before finding the hidden safes.
@Gems-of-Hope-Rocks
@Gems-of-Hope-Rocks Жыл бұрын
Considering that most of us don't have the Verifier PRO, is there an amateur friendly priced version? Of course, I have zero clue what they cost. So, if it's not a semi-secret, could you share your price with us? Maybe a product link?!? Thanks SD. Oh, I got my last two silver pieces of yours in the mail today!! Thanks so much for the coins, rounds and pours and of course the videos!!!
@HZaP
@HZaP Жыл бұрын
WOW! Does it pass a ping test? Sharing this Thanks..
@christinemplaza
@christinemplaza Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the awesome video and giving us information how to stop a fake. Nice job!!!
@M_R23
@M_R23 Жыл бұрын
@Silver Dragons - Can you do the Ping Test too on the fake??
@ThePyramidone
@ThePyramidone Жыл бұрын
I first encountered fakes on Facebook before COVID. Alarm bells and red flags were issued forth because of the expense per coin and free shipping. I researched these companies finding them to originate in China. I complained to FB but their algorithms inundated me with more companies selling the same fake products. They also changed their tune to add the word commemorative to Silver Eagles and Morgan and Peace dollars, then tried to sell Gold coins the same way. It took me deleting and blocking these sites before FB wised up. I did purchase some fake "commemoratives deliberately to serve as decoys, should my house get broken into. I won't buy from any Chinese manufacturer including Alibaba or on Amazon, Etsy, or eBay. I purchase from reputable coin and bullion dealers or my local coin shop only just as your video recommends.
@jamesgills9207
@jamesgills9207 Жыл бұрын
So glad to see you added ebay to your video. I noticed these awhile ago and even reached out to another you tuber to no avail. Never bought any, but I am sure alot of people have. There are multiple sites, all with very few or 0 feedback and almost all shipping from far east. Kudos!!
@prillewitz
@prillewitz Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the heads up! I didn’t know of the existence of these coins! Saw the on Ali but they are extremely good fakes!
@geemeff
@geemeff Жыл бұрын
Those things are all over EBay bud! I almost fell for it, but then thought "Why is buddy selling this for 10 dollars less than spot, with free shipping". CAN'T be too careful.
@SuzyInTexas
@SuzyInTexas Жыл бұрын
I bought two AE fakes on eBay. Easily seen as fakes. I did the same testing before I went ballistic on the seller and eBay. I bought these for $29 each back when AE were selling for $30-35 each. Threatened to turn them over to SS, FBI, and HS. My $ was refunded by the seller the same day.
@J-Rad-
@J-Rad- Жыл бұрын
did you get to keeep the fakes? i have a drawer full of fakes i got for free essentially that way...gl!!
@Matt.P.
@Matt.P. Жыл бұрын
And did you turn them in?
@JRJStacks
@JRJStacks Жыл бұрын
​@Jake Whitaker a good way to put a hurting on sellers of fakes and grow a collection 😅
@mariwillalwaysgivethanks
@mariwillalwaysgivethanks Жыл бұрын
Good for you to take it all the way!
@ChatGPT1111
@ChatGPT1111 Жыл бұрын
Yep, and you're really not doing anyone in the coin hobby a favor by not turning them in. They will just sell under a different ebay account.
@michaelmoravec8206
@michaelmoravec8206 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for getting this info out to us. Im new @ collecting Gold/Silver :)
@1000millionbillion
@1000millionbillion Жыл бұрын
Another reason to buy silver maples or Britannias which have good security features.
@dalee.mccombs8571
@dalee.mccombs8571 24 күн бұрын
Wow! That's high tech counterfeiting ! Thank You for doing this video! Happy New Year 2025
@CW-pw2eu
@CW-pw2eu Жыл бұрын
I just started out buying silver late last year with no knowledge and bought 6 (for my children's Christmas presents) of the fake eagles on ebay. Once I figured it out and they were jacking me around about a refund I went straight to ebay and they refunded me within a minute. Whew at least my rookie mistake only cost me time, stress, and a bit of embarrassment. I bought some rounds from a reputable dealer and for just a bit more in money my kids finally got their late Christmas presents and first silver.
@tomtransport
@tomtransport Жыл бұрын
Very good information Silver Dragons. If you look at the rays on your fake AE, the 8th ray, counting clockwise, is touching the hem of lady liberty. At least on your video it looks that way. This is never the case on a real SE. I bought 5 fakes, they were quite good and in capsules but the first ray at 9 O'clock on my fakes is missing. There should be 13 rays, my fakes have 12, they did not pass the ping test either. I messaged EBAY and the seller, I had my $159.00 refunded to my card in about 12 hours. They let me keep the fakes, I have the 5 on display in my wife's curio cabinet on little plastic easels. I watched your video on fake gold coins too, good job.😀😀😀
@KnivesSurvival
@KnivesSurvival Жыл бұрын
Wow I cant believe it passed the weight and magnetic tests
@ben11628
@ben11628 Жыл бұрын
How is it possible to pass the weight and magnetic test both?
@dennisdragomir7572
@dennisdragomir7572 Жыл бұрын
@@ben11628 copper coin with a tungsten pellet
@ben11628
@ben11628 Жыл бұрын
@@dennisdragomir7572 but tungsten is magnetic
@Tie509
@Tie509 Жыл бұрын
​@@dennisdragomir7572 Silver-plated copper.
@davidkeetz
@davidkeetz Жыл бұрын
omg - that doorbell freaked me out so hard. I was watching this super late at night and thought someone was at my door.
@kb3489
@kb3489 Жыл бұрын
I got 10 of these things a couple of years ago. Really difficult to tell they are fake. The measurment was not exactly right and the weight was not right when compared to real coins. Reported to my credit card which was a waste of time. Eventually just dumped in the trash.
@robertcritchley1338
@robertcritchley1338 Жыл бұрын
Good morning all. I am a collector of world used coins. I've been collecting since I was 5 years old. I'm also a prepper. In these days, I would not buy new coins for bartering should the need arise. I put just one box in my wife's hands and warned her to be prepared for the weight. She works for a large shopping outlet and she exchanges the silver coins for today's currency. Stay vigilant all. Great vid.
@StarATL
@StarATL Жыл бұрын
At the 9:40 mark, where you have them side by side….there is the color variation, but also the fake appears slightly thicker. Would have been interesting to see a size measurement via a caliper as copper rounds should be slightly thicker to make up the weight difference.
@jonathancrocker366
@jonathancrocker366 Жыл бұрын
Thank goodness I've grown out of those. Any news like this on the Libertad, I'm all ears.
@ItsEverythingElse
@ItsEverythingElse Жыл бұрын
This is another reason I refuse to pay the ridiculous premiums on ASEs. TBH, in a barter situation I would be more wary of someone using ASEs than other types of coins (though obviously you always need to be on alert for fakes with anything). The U.S. mint needs to wake up and start putting some real security features on ASEs. A tiny notch in the rim is NOT a security feature!
@dennisdragomir7572
@dennisdragomir7572 Жыл бұрын
buy silver dimes
@2fathomsdeeper
@2fathomsdeeper Жыл бұрын
@@dennisdragomir7572 Forget the dimes! On a huge silver estate buy, I wound up with $2000 face in fake dimes! They looked like brilliant uncirculated Mercury's, but 3/4 of them were magnetic. The rest failed ping, weight, slide, and Sigma.
@J-Rad-
@J-Rad- Жыл бұрын
Good point , me I would say half my stack is junk world silver ,I get most of it close to spot, it's almost guaranteed not to be counterfeit....but stacker KZbin channels say don't buy world junk silver ,but I think that's the best thing to load up on, ...for a SHTF scenario....people aren't going to be paying high premiums if they are selling ammo or bread for a few ounces, I'll hand them a handful of schillings and call it a day.... fractional silver is going to be more barterable then ASEs...
@Azcoinandbullion
@Azcoinandbullion Жыл бұрын
There are a lot on eBay. Obvious signs are a lot lower than everyone else. And biggest red flag is it ships from China or Hong Kong.
@mountainghoti1671
@mountainghoti1671 Жыл бұрын
Or Cali- especially San Fran. Stay vigilant!
@slimcatandme
@slimcatandme Жыл бұрын
Great info! Thanks 👍
@brutebiz82
@brutebiz82 Жыл бұрын
I purchase a lot of silver online and I've seen plenty of 2023 ASE counterfeits with the missing reed security feature. None of them have fooled my Sigma Metalytics tester, though. Never had an issue with getting a refund and most of the time I keep the counterfeit coins to show and warn friends and family.
@alangrund5031
@alangrund5031 Жыл бұрын
If you are buying "plenty of 2023 ASE counterfeits", sounds like you need to be more careful where you are buying from.
@tracyoneill4200
@tracyoneill4200 Жыл бұрын
Why would you gamble your money like that? There are so many trusted sources out there .. doesn't make any sense to me
@clintbennetsen6392
@clintbennetsen6392 Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@iamgabriel5823
@iamgabriel5823 Жыл бұрын
The Sigma has become essential for me. It bought me some peace of mind.
@JamesG1126
@JamesG1126 Жыл бұрын
@@iamgabriel5823 That thing cost you over 40 silver eagles. Come on Man!
@vassilikovalev7812
@vassilikovalev7812 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Bro! Good job!
@TwinkyGlitten
@TwinkyGlitten 11 ай бұрын
Impressive counterfeiting, but the American mints need to do more security features than a missing reed.
@MrDommer3
@MrDommer3 Жыл бұрын
I bought 3 coins 2 years ago on FB in the UK. All fakes, eagle+kangaroo+wolf. None passed the test. Police didn't help. Price £2-3 cheaper than regular price. The ones you showed today are very well made.Very good video thanks.
@kristinb5121
@kristinb5121 Жыл бұрын
I only buy from a reputable dealer, but am concerned with the tests this coin passed. How was the size? How could they get the exact weight and size while still passing the magnet test? Some heavy-duty engineering going into these.
@mountainghoti1671
@mountainghoti1671 Жыл бұрын
Multiple metals in the right amounts with silver plating could do it, as long as they don't have iron in them.
@iamgabriel5823
@iamgabriel5823 Жыл бұрын
A couple of fakes even got past my LCS. A precious metals analyzer has become essential. Maybe a few friends can pool their money, buy one then share it.
@dennisdragomir7572
@dennisdragomir7572 Жыл бұрын
@@iamgabriel5823 take them to a dealer for xrf. Warning!! I went to a coin show in Roseville MN and they guy could not operate the old xrf dog he had
@dennisdragomir7572
@dennisdragomir7572 Жыл бұрын
make sure its a late model XRF.. Even still, it can't go through real deep plating. Charge back and use them AS crap for thieves... In your honeypot safe
@Andrew-tz1cc
@Andrew-tz1cc Жыл бұрын
Thanks for going to the trouble to make the video. A close up comparison between the two should also be made. I see when you have them side-by-side at the end, the fake has exaggerated lines on the clothing at the very least.
@NewStacker
@NewStacker Жыл бұрын
I got a lot of good silver from eBay but I always check the seller.
@ct87gn25
@ct87gn25 Жыл бұрын
100%!!
@markadkins9290
@markadkins9290 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the info!
@sfkimrush
@sfkimrush Жыл бұрын
Even if the price is not too good to be true you can still end up with a fake. I am paranoid about this.
@davidboyd4026
@davidboyd4026 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the great video and information 😊
@KennMSr
@KennMSr Жыл бұрын
Is the FBI or Treasury Department not cracking down on this counter fitting of American currency? Thanks for the heads up, hopefully you’ll reach enough people to not make it worthwhile to continue producing these fakes.
@R369-k5o
@R369-k5o Жыл бұрын
Why would they they want you to use Fiat
@dinklehimerschlitz9111
@dinklehimerschlitz9111 Жыл бұрын
its not currency. its a token.
@elwingw4321
@elwingw4321 Жыл бұрын
China loves to make fake products. No ethics. They love to scam Americans. FBI has its own in house major corruption issues.
@slowstihatch677
@slowstihatch677 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video!
@SmithsnMoz
@SmithsnMoz Жыл бұрын
I wish you could've done the PING TEST SD??
@mikementzer7133
@mikementzer7133 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video great information thank you
@wasillastacker
@wasillastacker Жыл бұрын
Also always watch out for National collector's mint got me when I was first starting out for some supposedly gold coins started watching stacking channels like this and learned I was getting ripped off luckily that was several years ago
@Hippiebls
@Hippiebls Жыл бұрын
Great info, Ebay does not take these sites down after you report them. I love that slide you used, did you make it or purchase it online somewhere? Keep up your good work!
@InappropriateShorts
@InappropriateShorts Жыл бұрын
eBay is terrible I sent mine to the secret service
@ericburns5359
@ericburns5359 Жыл бұрын
Always shop from a reputable dealer. Beware of things that are too good to be true. Do your due diligence before laying your hard earned money down.
@gtwolfe100
@gtwolfe100 5 ай бұрын
I bought two of these coins, deliberately, from a guy that was unlucky enough to have bought 10 at spot from someone out of state. He was selling them as counterfeit for $15 each and I wanted to compare them to my genuine eagles. While they are extremely good, my wife immediately noted that when you look at one side by side with a genuine (you can even see this difference in this video) it is instantly evident that all the narrow lines and details are visibly heavier on the fake. I'm just guessing, but I bet the folks minting these created the coin dies using genuine coins. So when they strike a counterfeit the coin is perfect. But in plating it they add just enough material to make all those sharp and highly detailed features just a tiny bit too heavy. You'd never see it without a genuine coin to compare them to unless you have a truly trained eye. BTW, they fail completely in the ping test. Still lots and lots of them out there.
@aidenz4937
@aidenz4937 Жыл бұрын
eBay is still a good place to buy silver coins, there are some honest sellers. But just be careful!
@kryptobear2444
@kryptobear2444 Жыл бұрын
Yes , and take your time to look for " silver plated " or " copy". I know that's really obvious , but they deliberately omit it from the title, then stick it into the description. However in such cases you will be given a refund by Ebay because they should have made it absolutely clear in the title that it's not real.
@ct87gn25
@ct87gn25 Жыл бұрын
Yep, all the 'big guys' sell on there too. Stick with the major 'known' PM sellers and Ebay is fine.....
@erics.786
@erics.786 Жыл бұрын
So glad I paused my first gold eagle and spent the money on my Sigma Pro, peace of mind is priceless.
@Gems-of-Hope-Rocks
@Gems-of-Hope-Rocks Жыл бұрын
On your first example website it stated a $600 cap on the orders. I think I know why. It's based upon the customs declaration forms and import tariffs.
@Gems-of-Hope-Rocks
@Gems-of-Hope-Rocks Жыл бұрын
Also SD, I think your son (regardless of age) could make a BETTER website than what those examples were.
@mikewoydziak2183
@mikewoydziak2183 Жыл бұрын
Great video SilverDragons, I noticed one key difference are the stars on the fake vs the real just by it in your hands, when and if the average Joe not owning a Sigma tester can at least have one way of telling in a pinch.
@stephenparker5241
@stephenparker5241 Жыл бұрын
Ping test Ping test Ping test Ping test.... All together now... Ping test Ping test....😂
@aliekatsmom
@aliekatsmom 9 ай бұрын
😅😅😅cuteness
@chassisresearchkid
@chassisresearchkid 9 ай бұрын
Too late. You already bought it.
@Billy_The_Brave
@Billy_The_Brave Жыл бұрын
I'm guessing most people don't have one of the machines to test the metals so could you please do a ping tests on it?
@jeffericson929
@jeffericson929 Жыл бұрын
I am glad you showed this I was about to buy some not any more
@skexzies3673
@skexzies3673 Жыл бұрын
Where is the Secret Service in all of this? Isn't policing counterfeit currency part of their jobs?
@richardwood6017
@richardwood6017 Жыл бұрын
Wow, seems like everyone is becoming a real cheat these days! I have accumulated several monster boxes of pre 2000 eagles, haven't bought any since 2001. thanks for this info.
@tonyalba790
@tonyalba790 Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Coins look silver plated. I'm guessing we're going to see more and more of this happening as silver goes higher.
@parsapersian80
@parsapersian80 Жыл бұрын
I wish you did a ping test as well on it
@tylerhall6455
@tylerhall6455 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. But gotta say sucks you didn't do a ping test compairison. Almost none of us small silver stackers have a fancy test machine and the fake passed all the tests... how would we know what we got is not fake short of the fancy tester? Just buying from a reputable place isn't gonna satisfy me now.
@ItsEverythingElse
@ItsEverythingElse Жыл бұрын
Should have done a ping test while you were at it. That is the one that most people will use.
@tgabe6163
@tgabe6163 Жыл бұрын
What is a ping test?
@RichieStacks070
@RichieStacks070 Жыл бұрын
the ones I purchased failed the ping test. Failed using the Coin Tester app.
@Toshinben
@Toshinben Жыл бұрын
@@tgabe6163 Drop one known silver coin onto the coin you're testing. The pure silver causes the ping to last longer. Piiiiiiing. If the test object is a different material, or bimetallic, it damps the vibrations and causes the sound to stop sooner. P'ng. If I'm remembering correctly, the different material should have a different tone. Get 2 pure silver coins and a plain old quarter. Clink them together and you'll hear the difference immediately.
@jfryer485
@jfryer485 Жыл бұрын
@@tgabe6163 Most materials have a characteristic sound when rubbed or tapped without damaging the object. This can be done for crystal glass, gold and here for silver. Weight, size and using a magnet are normal methods to use as well. Some silver plated fakes can be very convincing at least to me! One dealer I buy from guarantees his coins are genuine for ten years.
@DjuroGazdic
@DjuroGazdic Жыл бұрын
Where can I find ping tester in Europ???
@opinionater9388
@opinionater9388 11 ай бұрын
Hey, great video. I would be interested in knowing if the density of the two coins is the same.
@DougHittle
@DougHittle Жыл бұрын
I would have loved to see a ping test using a phone app to see if they sound right, and also possible a dimensions test. Do you think you could follow up with that or reply with how those tested out?
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