Simon Jordan Argues VAR Should've Had the 'Balls' to Break Protocol & Award Liverpool Their Goal! 🔥

The PGMOL have admitted a 'significant human error' which led to Luis Diaz's goal against Tottenham incorrectly being called offside. talkSPORT's Jim White, Simon Jordan and Stuart Pearce have their say!
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[@theamaranthineman574]

Jim's parents obviously never thaught him that owning up to your mistakes and making it right is the right thing to do.

[@davidross8709]

You made a mistake, you need to correct the way you spelled thaught 👊

[@COOLOCKER]

Im sure he will own up to it, lol. @@davidross8709

[@redshift8302]

@@davidross8709 That's auto correct's fault.

[@jayt6200]

@@redshift8302nice metaphor

[@colinclarke4189]

The problem arose when the VAR ref wrongly thought that the on field ref had given the goal. It should be protocol for the VAR to check the on field decision then said "Check complete, No Offside, Goal stands". State the decision made in the way it is in Rugby where you will even hear the ref double check the decision to get it reaffirmed. As it is the game is over there is nothing we can do to change the result.

[@jimknight5420]

What were they doing? Why did they think, in contrast to the millions watching, that it had been given as onside? They were the only two people on the planet that thought the goal had been allowed by the match officials. This explanation creates many more questions than answers, including the possibility that they weren't actually watching the match until the incident!

[@paulangeloff400]

@jimknight5420. This. Exactly. Everything else is just nonsense. What were they doing ? Making tea? On their phones ? Arsing about ? We will never know because they will never admit. But they both have to be fired.

[@MrBatchy123]

It’s a nonsense excuse. The actual board for VAR said checking OFFSIDE goal not checking onside goal. So Howard Webb is a liar in his explanation and so is Darren England

[@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings]

LiVARpool denied 1 goal - Outrage,Crys City lose to Hwang goal who should have got Red - No Mention/Outrage Media not Biased,Corrupt?🤔

[@paulangeloff400]

@@MrBatchy123 is that why they see though ? I mean do those words come up on their screen ? I don’t know.

[@abdulmumin6251]

So when u can clearly see the ball has not been taken to the center stop after the disallowed goal that means the ref gave a goal kick surely they could see that.

[@DodgeTheseBullets]

Can we just be clear the PGMOL has come out with a statement not an apology

[@DodgeTheseBullets]

It's wrong talksport are calling it an apology there is no accountability in the statement

[@mumlovessuzy]

Rest of games after it kicks off nothing u can do same for one same for another many more wrong to right for me the handballs the offsides flawed from start remember 1st game Huddersfield v man u absolutely wrong f var needs the whole thing made better

[@DodgeTheseBullets]

@@CC1984_ apology makes no difference at all so I totally agree with you there. I just feel calling it an apology humanises this situation too much. It's not an apology and no accountability has been established by the PGMOL in this statement which makes it even more cold of a decision imo

[@KeepItLevel]

Lad who wants an apology, apologies are happening every week with no consequences

[@JJJ-bs8sm]

Cry babies want an apology. Move on and get ready for your next game before you lose that one as well. Some kind of 'mentality monsters" Liverpool are.

[@ollyfoister2153]

I have Diaz in my fantasy football team,that’s the real horror story here

[@pronoun_dilemma]

I think that's been the worst thing about the whole debacle! 😉

[@Drewtheelder]

Are you going to sue the PL?@@pronoun_dilemma

[@967mviews2]

😂

[@ollyfoister2153]

@@Drewtheelder The whole season has been ruined

[@Drewtheelder]

Fantasy football, a pretty good description of the prem, hopefully your luck will improve.@@ollyfoister2153

[@maldini3184]

Protocol??? Who remember when VAR awarded a penalty to United after the final whistle? That's the first I've ever seen something like that and nobody mentioned protocols. They could've even awarded it at half time because it was a goal. It doesn't matter how long it takes

[@karlhandley9375]

Of course it matters how long it takes. It completely alters the mindset of the teams. Imagine Spurs holding onto the ball in the last minute for a draw, then its announced Liverpool goal stands and Spurs are losing. But in this instance, stopping the game as soon as VAR see the game is still 0-0 is fine. Goal rightly awarded and Spurs can adapt.

[@azizandamit9191]

​​@@karlhandley9375So you're saying the wrong call didn't alter the Liverpool players' mindset? And you're happy with the FALSE outcome now? It's okay for Liverpool to lose by a wrong call, but not okay to correct the referee because Spurs will be losing? 😂 Sums you up.

[@docholiday-lm4vf]

@karl the wrong decision ulters players thoughts 😂😂 If another team cant handle a fair and legit goal being given then its there mentality that needs questioning

[@Darwinion]

The game hadn't "restarted" though. There was the incident and the ref blew for full time (stopping the game). If the ball had gone out for a throw, and it was taken then the ref couldn't go back. But the ball was still in play when he blew, which is no different to blowing for the penalty anyway. You might think its silly. But that's not the point. It's the laws of the game.

[@olawilliams25]

Thanks for that epic reminder of earlier VAR episodes. I also recall that pen for ManU some years back. Bizarre incident I thought. Perhaps also fraudulent or a clear correction of an earlier error or attempt at a fraud? Now, it needs to be revisited as some sort of precedence.

[@DodgeTheseBullets]

Simon saying the irony of VAR meant there would be no goal for the offside without it. Well neither would Jones' sending off 🤷

[@newbsmedia2277]

True.

[@jetgander2884]

Also, Further to that the lineman might have raised his flag as he wanted it to be checked - There is a chance the flag does not get raised if VAR was not avaliable

[@mumlovessuzy]

Ok it wasn't as bad as arsenal one broke his ankle Eduardo but it looked just as bad straight red won't get overturned sky to blame thinking otherwise

[@iandavis1723]

Bissouma is lucky he can still walk after that tackle you melt

[@liamblumeris6933]

@@iandavis1723if it didn’t deserve a red in real time then it probably was that bad. The ball stopped most of the force that’s how physics works

[@cutchy5]

Yes that goal would've been disallowed without var, but Curtis Jones would've had a yellow

[@bobpadok5331]

Var at minimum should perfectly execute offsides..it make game far fairer and one wrong call by human error over long time.not change positive aspect of var on offsides..withouth var ofside calls were terrible every game..

[@dbizz8642]

I remember when VAR awarded Man Utd a penalty AFTER the FINAL WHISTLE had gone!!!!

[@berniewharton4493]

Yes I remember that but that is man it'd we are talking about

[@DarrenMac-yk2gd]

But you’re obsessed little boy who wouldn’t me man enough to admit we where denied a clear penalty against Palace that stopped Rashford going through on goal a clear goal scoring opportunity, and have been on the bad end of some terrible decisions this season with var making fake likes manipulating them to try and make Garnacho look offside vs Arsenal when he was clearly onside

[@ethandraper4645]

Which is in the rules of the game and was also 3 seasons ago.

[@snick260]

But that was in the rules of the game, as the players hadn't left the pitch, so the ref/VAR where allowed to make that decision

[@Michael-uk2qw]

In the Norwegian premier league game between Bodø/Glimt and Strømsgodset only yesterday Bodø/Glimt scored a goal that was blown for offside. the game kicked off again but was called back when they checked VAR and realised it wasn't offside.

[@Shrukia]

But Norway is a civilised country

[@joestockton7016]

They can’t do that, it’s against the laws of the game! Someone send an email so they don’t do it again, or else they’ll be sanctioned by FIFA!!!

[@nongdarko]

​@@ShrukiaMy thoughts exactly. VAR should be taken away from English officials because they don't know what they're doing.

[@TJTOPBOY]

Norwegians have a sense. This is England we are talking about here. It’s not just in football people don’t take accountability in their everyday lives.

[@thorntonovski]

Who remembers the game think in portugal... where they made them come back out of the dressing rooms at half time to take a penalty that wasnt given

[@dannyalexander6197]

If this happened to Mourinhos team it would have been an unbelievable press conference 😅

[@jurgensplurgen8972]

Jordan keeps saying without VAR the goal would be disallowed but neglects to mention LFC would have 11 on the pitch.

[@attila-man]

When did LFC even say they have a problem with VAR? I think their problem is with the officials.

[@DJ-yu9gk]

Hes a classic politician that ppl are fed up with. He tries to politically tell us how we are all blind and he is right. Hes an absolute mug. He is definition of what western world is facing with in terms of political corruption.

[@Habshoosh]

Spot-on

[@TheMartinTD]

Lol jones tackle was a clear straight red, it was a bad clumsy tackle and a potential leg breaker.

[@jurgensplurgen8972]

@@TheMartinTD you were watching a different game lad. The still on the screen was a set up.

[@Sparky-ns2uu]

It's not human error. I can't believe they are saying they thought the goal was given when we all know the ref and linesman are communicating with VAR officials. Absolutely embarrassing to think the public would go along with this nonsense. It's blatantly obvious what's going on.

[@drep9028]

Arsenal v Brentford. Lines drawn incorrectly. Rashford ushering a ball in an offside position v City. Cuccarrella getting his hair pulled v Chelsea. But guess what ... every one moved on. Why we still on this one? 😕

[@prowsy8825]

⁠@@drep9028the instances you outlined are mistakes we can understand and are somewhat common. But the Dias offside is totally incomprehensible and the explanation left everyone even more baffled. Like how in gods name does that even happen

[@drep9028]

@@prowsy8825 seriously? 😒 This one was not as bad as the Arsenal one. For Arsenal, they "drew the lines incorrectly"

[@efun8334]

@@drep9028but they forgot yo draw the lines in this one.

[@SS-jn8hl]

@@drep9028arsenal was worse, they “forgot” to draw the lines. Aka blatant corruption

[@alexgrass4858]

Shocking that if they would've broken protocols they would likely get sacked or at least a serious punishment but getting a decision like this wrong gets them nothing

[@andr9j]

Liverpool should sue the PGMOL out of business if we miss UCL or the PL Title by 1 point again.

[@kernowchris]

haha that's so silly.

[@Fahrenheit53]

Then Wolves should sue for their loss of a point for the penalty not given in their Liverpool game.

[@craigjohnson9605]

@@Fahrenheit53the fact you can’t determine the difference between a subjective decision and an objective decision tells me that you shouldn’t really be speaking on football matters. In my entire 32 years of life I have never seen a decision quite this bad. Made all the worse by 3 people in the VAR booth apparently, somehow not knowing that it was onside, not bothering to draw the lines, or not knowing that the on field officials had called it as offside. And then not noticing they had stuck with an offside decision, not realising a free kick had been given instead of a centre kick, not realising the Liverpool players were not celebrating. Then after ALL of those mistakes, not having the balls to call it back and tell Simon Hooper that they had made a mistake and to go back and rectify the decision only seconds later. You think that’s the same as a referee not thinking a challenge warrants a penalty and the VAR officials agreeing with him? Ok.

[@Richie236]

​@@Fahrenheit53penalty on who?

[@sevovevo3396]

A penalty is not a goal. 2 different things

[@adrians-ro8kk]

"Its never been done before" No one was saying this when Man United were awarded a penalty after the final whistle against Brighton

[@MaterLacrymarum]

People only care when it hurts their team.

[@CyrilBiskit]

There’s a lots of instances where they ignore things that have happened before. Neville had nothing to say on Casemiros Red card but slated the Jones one. Get it back to ref and linesman and get rid of VAR - human error was understandable and acceptable- Sky have caused all this

[@MaterLacrymarum]

@@CyrilBiskit I think money caused it. tens of millions might be at stake over a goal.....

[@CyrilBiskit]

@@MaterLacrymarum sad state of affairs

[@bsdetector8063]

The handball that was the reason for the Brighton penalty was BEFORE the final whistle. Do you even watch football?😂😂😂

[@alanbarker2279]

There was unquestionable bias shown against Liverpool by the on field officials and the Stockley Park crew throughout the whole match. Whether this demonstrates corruption is open to debate, however to brush it off as just "human factual error" is unacceptable.

[@bobpadok5331]

Its whole season..manchester clubs are protected as hell and with proper calls man.utd would have four less pts and sit on relegation line.

[@eaganadams3314]

The 2018 World Cup was hosted in Russia and it was for good reason that they said they didn’t want any English referee at the tournament

[@bobpadok5331]

We need russian var behind english var...

[@adamabdool5959]

VAR didn’t cause the problem, human beings did. Upgrading VAR technology eg. What FIFA and UEFA uses would strengthen the system further. On Factual matters VAR is to be trusted. BTW Liverpool has not called for the doing away with VAR.

[@pabloes588]

Did Liverpool not accept their league title? That’s season they was on the right end of far too many wrong var decisions Of course not

[@Im_helpless]

Exactly, var isn’t the issue it’s the people running it Just make it so we see what var see and we hear what var are saying every single game

[@jayleyy]

You're right mate. It's not VAR issue, it's the incompetent bunch that doesn't know how to use VAR. Lineman flagged up, that's why the screen shows "Possible OFFSIDE". On Darren's end he was checking on "Possible Goal" in which there's no line drawn. He didn't, bet a single eyelid on the screen on the large words "Possible Offside Goal", this, is incompetency and negligence. Now when game kicks off, he didn't exercise his professionalism to inform about the wrong decision. If Darren truly realised that the score didn't go 0-1 and it was a free kick instead of a kick off, he should consider the interest of all the stakeholders and stop the play in that instant. What's worse? Breaking protocol or staking your entire ORGANISATION's validity, credential, reputation, integrity and fairplay? We are talking about a goal difference that can affect a game's outcome. We haven't even delved into the red cards that this guy overturned.

[@original.dwornboy]

AI should be in charge of VAR.... The new CHAT GOT will have an IQ of over 10,000.

[@Everton-Valley-2005]

​@@pabloes588total bullcrap...Lpool won the prem in a canter that season bitter boy

[@SoulJourneys20]

Simon saying they knew they made a mistake and yet they didn’t rectify it, just award the goal! Liverpool requesting the audio tells me there is more to this than meets the eye!!

[@tonypang83]

Apparently, the rules say play can't be brought back and restarted unless it's for "game changing" errors, such as mistaken identity, red cards, or acts of serious misconduct. Yet goals aren't mentioned within this part of the rulebook?? 🤔🤔

[@safwaanrawat1263]

If you take away VAR, Jones wouldn't have been sent off. So Simon be transparent

[@scottcyoung]

Good point

[@DarrenMac-yk2gd]

Clear red

[@neilturner6749]

Difference was that Jones’ Red Card, although subjectively harsh, was actually objectively correct. So Liverpool would’ve, within the same match, been shown proof that bad refereeing decisions really do balance themselves out!

[@samkelorashuza5949]

​​​@@neilturner6749But we could have lost or won 4-0 if we had 11 men and be the best team in the league so far if we won. So do they really?

[@samkelorashuza5949]

​@@DarrenMac-yk2gdClear goal

[@gregwalsh2045]

It’s a process problem. In cricket all of the facts are verbally confirmed at the start of the check. “The on-field decision is offside”

[@kevinpillay6103]

I'm no Liverpool fan but I have to question the integrity of officials. So many key desicions we told are basic errors . These decisions look more than just errors. Wolves non penalty at OT; Villa 2 goals when it was only 1nil(yes Villa fans you deserved the win any which way) and and and. Then Webb and his team are picking poor refs.

[@COOLOCKER]

A lot of Liverpools fans are asking the same question, and its about the integrity of the officials. To assume that corruption cant happen in the premier league is just insane. Thanks for your honesty mate.

[@kevinpillay6103]

@@COOLOCKER Exactly that; how are PL refs/officials immune from corruption. Look at the possible issues at Barca now. We have the betting issues with players. They also going off to officiate in other leagues so money is key driver now. They must be taken to task

[@potjhm1]

When they showed the offside for a few seconds only & without the lines, i started to question it straight away. Something premeditated, deliberate & calculated was going on, Sky playing a part in it. It was only after the social media outrage & foreign broadcasters showing the offside lines did the UK media join the bandwagon.

[@COOLOCKER]

Exactly the same here mate. Once i saw the image pop up and then dissappear quickly, my first thought was "you robbing bastards". @@potjhm1

[@Watty7878]

When is the audio being released?

[@tawAAkul]

What's Jim on about? The reaction of the stadium would have reflected that the screen in the stadium showed it was wrong!!

[@HBS444]

hes intentionally stupid must be to create debate.

[@garymardle2120]

Jim plays the clown between two people that have a brain to create the debate.

[@st8tesman]

Why were the VAR officials Darren England and Dan Cook working in the UAE the days before? Who signed off on this? Who thought the optics of having the VAR officials for a game between two of Manchester City's big rivals this season working for the owner of Manchester City would be good? Why doesn't a conflict of interest come into this? Why aren't officials paid more so they don't need these side gigs?

[@st8tesman]

It wasn't just significant human error at that moment of the game. There was a buildup of managerial incompetence from Howard Webb.

[@luke-ti3fu]

Shouldn't be allowed. Who benefits most from PL reputational damage? makes you think.

[@scarboroughhammer9684]

A bigger point is why do the PL not use the champions league technology for offsides? Seems to work pretty well

[@PHL87]

Simon is absolutely right. The kind of human error that happened can't be prevented in the future. So the logical way of dealing with things like this is to change protocol. I honestly don't think anybody would've objected to this after watching the scene.

[@docholiday-lm4vf]

Simon was wrong saying wrhout VAR this game would have been the same because the ref gove jones a yellow card and VAR interfered and then the red was shown

[@bdboyo]

It works in rugby, they had teething problems at the start but it works brilliantly now. In football its getting worse, on sat evening 1 person gets it wrong its a mistake, 2 people get it wrong you raise an eyebrow but 3 people then you do have to ask questions. The officiating from all of them in that game was shocking.

[@ytsparkster]

Liverpool's statement is designed to prevent this just becoming tomorrows chip papers, as we used to say.

[@jackm201]

Jim is unbearable sometimes 😂

[@kmc7876]

He loves a cheeky line

[@lionheart4552]

He's talking sense.

[@enkaan1676]

A wind up merchant

[@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere]

Jim "It begs the qwestchin" White

[@fionacavalier]

Sound?

[@reecemercer6772]

The reason people are seeking answers on VAR is because we all knew referee’s were incompetent but it was brought in to rectify it and it may be on the whole but there is still too many wrongs whilst destroying the enjoyment of the game.

[@lordcromwell396]

Why did the AR flag it offside in the first place? They are supposed to keep flags down on close decisions.

[@Eishikigami]

He did, he flagged it after the goal had been scored.

[@fightview360]

If the audio was played for everyone to hear live, then a mistake would have been noticed straight away and most likely dealt with there and then.

[@jaykafei4815]

This is by far the most sensible discussion about what happened that I've heard so far. This was a COMMUNICATION problem, not a technical problem. It will be interesting to see if they release the audio because then we'll know whether the VAR refs were communicating with the ref after the game started about the mistake or if they were to scared to. The rules are you can't go back after the game has started but I fully agree with Simon and Stuart here, just shout at the referee, tell him to go back, they would have realised immediately once the game started with a freekick, and the scorecard still says 0-0!! This isn't about them being bad referees, this is about the VAR and AVAR being bad communicators. What I wonder though is if they did tell the ref, and maybe the ref said I can't go back now, it's too late! This is something that Howard Webb will need to clarify!

[@ListerWalkthroughs]

They knew as soon as the freekick was being taken because if the right decision they thought was being made came through, they would have restarted from a centre kick. So it's not a minute later, 30 seconds later, they would have known immediately and chose/were too scared to do anything about it. we've already heard of VAR 'looking out' for their mates.

[@mangettelsunil69]

Absolutely spot on by Stuart and co, great job guys, in the interest of English football ❤

[@eldante4139]

Honestly when the Diaz goal went in I assumed that it had been given. I was watching it out with friends. When Spurs equalised I was stunned to see that the scoreline was 1-0 to Spurs.

[@FutureJoker]

The fact that correcting an error is "against protocol" is a real problem

[@samallardyce2522]

PGMOL has more apologies this season than Jadon Sancho

[@rokana9641]

VAR is fine its just used wrongly in the premier league. Its all the Glazers fault i reckon . I hear Gary Neville saying..😂

[@bryanteoh9308]

@Simon Jordan, what about without VAR Liverpool wouldn’t have gone down to 10 men in the first place?

[@stevepoulton8826]

What about if they had used it for jotas first booking and booked the cheating spuds player instead?

[@fightview360]

Simon is 100% right, you cant just say they will make mistakes and then not let them try and fix their mistakes live. We know they will make mistakes, they need to be able to rectify them when they happen.

[@jonny3801]

Worst referees in any sport I’ve ever seen!

[@deluffy7404]

The sad thing is every body around the world watching knew diaz was on side, only the referee and the var guy didn't

[@the_deputy2327]

The VAR guy did, apparently. He supposedly thought the goal was awarded by the Ref. Hence saying 'check complete' IE goal stands. However I call BS as why did the board say 'offside'

[@veygewn]

I've seen the wrong button pushed in rugby, cricket and league and they just correct it and move on. The fact they had no ability to correct an obvious error is madness

[@clarencedsouza854]

A beautiful n honest debate,cut crystal clear,thank you gents.

[@FnM23]

Jim makes me laugh every video 🤣🤣🤣 he knows some of the stuff he says is ridiculous but someone needs to wind Simon up and have a go at him .

[@dave-ld8mo]

100 % agree with Simon: The problem with VAR is that they over complicate things - to the point that the protocol hinders common sense. The VAR knew they made a mistake, but because of the “protocol” they thought they are not allowed to correct it after the free kick was taken. That is the problem. We fans do not care if the protocol is followed or if the decision takes a bit longer as long as we get the correct decisions in the end

[@nihlify]

But they aren't allowed lol, it's not just a "thought"....

[@joecurran2811]

Peope were moaning about how long it takes them to make decisions tbf

[@vladtepes97]

4:15 it wasn't the decision-making process that was at fault. it was the communication process that messed up. "check complete" has to be replaced with "onside, goal/offside, no goal", and "foul, penalty/no foul, no penalty", etc.

[@jonhayes7322]

Exactly. Fans are failing to see that the officials are not looking at the images and going “yep, offside” 😂 we don’t want to get into conspiracies, that’s why Toney for example has to go away because we need to know we’re playing the game for real.

[@youtubetrailers504]

If you have sound problems, close the video and open it again and it'll work.

[@nicholasbolas]

Jim: Martin.... Simon: Good for Martin, but people live in the real world Always ROFL when I hear this.

[@adrians-ro8kk]

*How about an incident report about what exactly happened? An investigation about exact events? Maybe some assurances / list of protocols to ensure that a "HUMAN ERROR" such as this would not happen again?*

[@sammyboyjnr5520]

Everyone can use a brown envelope full of cash now and again

[@wazb723]

No sound.

[@spongebacca]

Diaz stopped celebrating instantly and the next camera shot on the feed was the linesman with his flag up. Even if the VAR cant hear the audio feed from the ref and linesman, if they're watching the game, they could surely tell the goal wasn't given. I have no idea how they could say that they thought the goal was given as onside

[@tyler328]

How can it be a mistake when wrong decisions are happening almost every game every week.... Thank god a club is going to try do something about it..

[@gavd9151]

The club that var has helped the most now moaning about it 😂😂

[@david82724]

@@mazdakmina9493 im pretty sure there have been wrong offside calls before m8 but anyways... i dont get all the fuss tho... been blown way outta proportion... as a chelsea fan we've had soooo many decisions go our way and the other way too... if i was to start listing them all we'd be here all day... as an example take the cucurella hair pull that cost us a win... mike dean later came and said he was "protecting" his friend... thats objective too considering the ref himself came and admitted he fucked up... or anthony taylor sending kova off in the fa final against arsenal when i think it was xhaka that actually fouled him... yet i dont remember no way near as much uproar...

[@docholiday-lm4vf]

@gavyour statement is so uneducated 😂😂 Liverpool have received more apologies than anyother team which shows tve biggest mistakes have went against Liverpool. Rodri hand ball won the league for city over Liverpool!! And all that happened was a sorry haha 3 weeks agai mac allister gets the most mental red card and Liverpool get a sorry…. The jota yellow card is pathetic!! But you keep making stories up that have absolutely no factual support

[@spitmatic]

Jim is making the most ridiculous argument ever, "imagine the moment?" 😂😂

[@Taf793]

Well the audio would be interesting. The communication between the officials. Probably someone said stop the game but was overruled. It happens all the time even in work situations.

[@yogiparashara4016]

I agree that VAR is not the issue its how its used (or Not) in this case!! Clearly the issues are with the Refs, officials and process

[@32stevo]

how does VAR get offside wrong though its the most simple rule in the game?

[@TheSm1thers]

The message from PGMOL is that VAR saw it and knew it was obviously onside but due to a communication error or something they thought the referee hadn't disallowed the goal and just said "check complete" which led the referee on the pitch to stick with the original decision, however this excuse doesn't make much sense cos it said on the screen they were checking a disallowed goal. Also strange that this wasn't immediately rectified.

[@Hhammer]

The problem with “someone made a mistake” is that it isn’t ONE person. It’s multiple people. That’s where people truly have a problem with it. I can deal with one person making a mistake because they don’t have the procedures and technology to help them. But a team of 3+ with tech and procedures cant get it right, that IS a problem and needs investigating

[@scottbrown7448]

Darren England told Simon Hooper about the error 7 seconds after the restart so obviously they could of broke protocol.

[@DukeLitoAurelius]

One idea that I had, and tell me if I am full of shyt or not, but allow the each coach to make 1 (optional) challenge per game and that would allow them to call a halt to play for further analysis. Thoughts?

[@SootyHunt]

Stuart’s right… there should be a representative from each team at stockley park in the VAR room to over see the refs and be able to protest decisions like this.

[@Jahson70]

The VAR officiates clearly had it in for Liverpool. You could easily tell this by the still image of the Jones tackle they had prepared for the ref when they told him to go to the monitor. It wasn't long after this that they got the offside decision catastrophically wrong both on and off the pitch. The on pitch call was understandable, but the way VAR took things from there is mind boggling bafflingly stupid. Or was it? It would be great to hear the audio of what exactly was said at that particular time during the game. Does it line up with the official explanation?

[@garymcgra]

So when a decision goes with them are the official's biased against the team Liverpool are playing.

[@typhlosion4493]

It's not "one incident" though is it.. its the second statement about a wrong decision that they've made this season and we're on week 7 and there have been loads of other shocking decisions they haven't addressed

[@EllandRoar84]

As a Leeds fan it has been a breath of fresh air not to have VAR dissecting every goal scored this season. If you don't see a flag or hear a whistle, its a goal. I'd rather accept a few wrong decisions and less stoppages than stoppages and still wrong decisions. Keep the technology for goal line and leave the rest of the game alone.

[@jonoharper4729]

Specific protocols, procedures and language need to be implemented into the VAR system. In this case it should be... "Check underway/check complete/Onside/Fair goal/Goal awarded" All steps of the process need to be communicated, from the checks to the correct outcome, completed with an audible confirmation from the referee. I am shocked that there is no set, prescribed procedure and protocol that VAR must follow once the checking process is triggered. VAR lacks the basic, simple governance that exists in every business worldwide.

[@dstewusa7054]

💯 It’s ridiculously amateurish plus it allows for a lack of TRANSPARENCY

[@andyballard1883]

No one is calling out the linesman who initially flagged incorrectly his 'significant human error' triggered all of the subsequent errors within the VAR process

[@Behold__Optic_Blast]

And they shouldn't, since it's an error anyone could have made and should have been corrected easily by VAR officials, like as is intended. He's definitely not to blame.

[@limewelsh]

this is the best talksport video in i can't remember how long

[@drep9028]

Arsenal v Brentford. Lines drawn incorrectly. Rashford ushering a ball in an offside position v City. Cuccarrella getting his hair pulled v Chelsea. But guess what ... every one moved on. Why we still on this one? 😕

[@ilansamonamay4192]

Thank you Simon for saying out loud what the most of us think (I presume), but honestly what does man in the middle not understand about what is being said 🤦🏾‍♂️ take the mic away from him please 😭

[@docholiday-lm4vf]

How was simon correct??? He kept saying the game would have been no different without VAR….. The ref give jones a yellow card!!! Then VAR got involved and sent him off whoch changes the game massively

[@chrisbradwell857]

This is why I love football. Even with the technology to get decisions correct it's not correct. Gives us all something to talk about for the week. I love it. 😂

[@rhysmorgan88]

No, this is not a good thing... the whole season is in question and will reference this point

[@chrisbradwell857]

It's an entertainment game. Are you not entertained? Wrong decisions go for and against every team in a season we can't be mad about this if we not gonna do the same this weekend if it happens to another team. For answers look to rugby they use var the correct way and make sure the decision is correct and everyone is clear about it.

[@reeganreddy1394]

There's no sound

[@beaudacious_10]

100% agree - should have broken protocol before anything significant happened. Yes a breach and rules are there for a reason but no one would complain if the right thing was done.

[@chloesdad1000]

Come on TalkSport, somebody placed a fiver or five million on the match. You are all cowards for not at least going down that road. I get why but something stinks here.

[@Suntdy007]

Then award everyone their disallowed goals - I name this “The call of God”

[@Suntdy007]

What part of it didn’t you understand?

[@Suntdy007]

Wrongly disallowed goals Liverpool ain’t the only one who have had a bad decision and got an apology so if the call is to allow them the goal now they need to address it for all other games too

[@Suntdy007]

@@paultaylor9498 oh well bad luck - it’s happened now no going back - time to move on

[@Suntdy007]

@@paultaylor9498 we had one btw against Fulham which wasn’t even checked and there was nothing wrong with the goal - it’s just as bad

[@hduncan1048]

I feel Diaz effort was a goal foot technology of player, Most fans seen the ref being bias with decisions untold complaints.

[@oraldavis1602]

The game wont be replayed. However, since there is the evidence, an obvious goal, the powers that be should do the unprecedented move and award the goal belatedly to Liverpool.Justice can never be too late....2-2!

[@SootyHunt]

Imagine you had money on Diaz scoring, or the game a draw etc… They could of just people there savings, big bets, houses etc…. Shocking !

[@squid4451]

Somebody had a accumulator with Diaz scoring that would on won £9,500.

[@tonyburton5706]

Liverpool are going to make sure this runs and runs. Odds on liverpool will get a dubious penalty and many decisions in their favour next weekend, absolutely without a doubt. Just imagine the pressure the officials are going to be under.

[@chucksmcgee8716]

As a Liverpool fan I can see this happening and it would be absolutely terrible. I don't want to see that kind of football.

[@ComradeOgilvy1984]

Part of this is fallout from being card happy. Liverpool has gotten an amazing number of bookings. But the trend is across the whole league, not just Liverpool. That kind of heavy-handedness brings additional scrutiny, especially when simple decisions are botched.

[@KAL-589]

Jim - argues for the sake of arguing, without offering anything tangible.

[@ADHDVLOGS]

The ideal situation is to give the managers and team Captains a set amount of challenges, they do it in NFL, and Tennis, and probably some other sports.

[@DeanRTaylor]

If VAR didn't exist the first lad wouldn't have been sent off and then there wouldn't have been as much importance on getting a 1 - 0 lead. It was the specific circumstances of this situation that has caused the drama. If it was just a bad decision it would just be another VAR decision.

[@johnbwoi1674]

Ya but nobody is talking about that! In addition to the fact that people seem to ignore that officials make decisions knowing that VAR might save them. Who's to say that he wouldve raised his flag if there was no VAR? Linesmen have become more confident about raising their flag because will VAR rectify if they're wrong

[@opeyemiagboola6529]

Exactly my point to I don’t think it’s just because of the goal , I think that just escalated it .. the refereeing of the entire game was a shamble .

[@ChristianHeid7]

I 100% agree with Simon and Stuart here. There HAS to be some sort of authority that goes - Hang on... what is going on here? This is a wrong call based on what we have seen. Stop the game and do a PROPER check. IF the rules are not allowing that... then the RULES are WRONG. Thats how simple it is. Some sports have special authority on the sidelines that can stop the game if such issues come up. One thing that would definetly helped in this case would have been if a manager can CHALLENGE the call and ask for proper review since it was not done. THis is another thing done in many sports to make sure that the right call is made. Lets think in solutions cause VAR atm is simply not working and is making way to many bad calls. And something has to be done now with players standing in offside position and in line with the keeper. Cause we had one such goal allowed this weekend that should have been ruled as offside. Just go look at the second goal for Villa and tell me the player in offside position did not block the view of the keeper for the ball.

[@anthonydenley4307]

Yh if no var the goal would of not still stood but Jones also would not of been sent off as the ref gave a yellow

[@mcscars87]

Hate simons new found love for refs.... ever since he started his podcast and wants new guests ....

[@larrytonge4104]

Match fixing.. say it like it is lads

[@MrBarry465]

No just total incompetence.

[@kevinlock7637]

Have u ever sat in front of a var screen no

[@jamesp2646]

This could be so easily fixed, if the VAR protocol was to say ‘Goal given’ instead of ‘check complete’, I’d love to hear the audio from this one it just seems like such an unlikely scenario.

[@twyscape]

It’s in the past and we can’t go back. Now, moving forward, lessons must be learned and applied to ensure this won’t happen again.

[@batistasarfoakuoko7011]

From what Simon Jordan kept insisting, if you take VAR out tthe goal would have been offside. Also, if you take VAR out, Curtis Jones wouldn't have receive a red card. So Liverpool would have be playing 11v11

[@spitmatic]

I think they'll argue that they would like a replay not because somebody made a mistake but because they were cheated deliberately by some specific individuals.

[@peedee-zo1yq]

Change the law of the game relating to this situation. Allow play to be stopped again after restart, within a reasonable time limit. No-one has to then break protocol. Initiating error was that the VAR panel missed the offside flag.

[@sweetangelbR8]

If the VAR officials were paying attention during the match they would have identified the error within 1 minute eg. Diaz/Liverpool not celebrating or they haven’t restarted from the centre circle. At that moment I think they could have stopped the game due to the referee making a clear and obvious mistake. VAR officials would then communicate to Simon hopper that the goal is onside and to start the game from the centre circle. Also show the lines and the onside goal on the screen to the crowd in the stadium.

[@10521206]

The protocol argument is a total BS. Liverpool scored a legitimate goal. The game should be resumed at the centre. Not at spurs half because of offside. They could pull it back if they wanted. Say if the ball gone out for a corner, a player thought its a throw-in then throw the ball in. You would pull it back and say to him, not throw in, it’s a corner.

[@graemebucknall2331]

Simon , Simon , Simon if no var I don’t think the linesman put ups the flag as that’s what the var ref thought . Jones only gets a yellow card so Liverpool still have 11 men at that point and spurs don’t score as ok flag goes up right or we except it . But var is suppose to rectify that you can’t go without var it would not count because var influences the on field decisions with if I’m Wrong it will rectify it if I’m right it changes nothing . Linesman under var is only to raise his flag if he’s 100% sure . Diaz isn’t in line with the player he’s nearly a yard behind so if the linesman is up with play he should clearly see diaz is on side it wasn’t a tight call . I reiterate var ref thought the on files decision was that it was a goal . I said 12 months ago it won’t be long before PGMOL are taken to Court .. mark Halsey has said there is corruption with in the refs association. Having an agenda against certain clubs . Bets on bookings , corners etc . Then this happens .. protocol wasn’t followed . If I don’t follow protocol at my place of work I’m getting the sack if deemed a serious breach . Why should refs just get a slap on the wrist

[@damo666]

Best thing to come out of this would be like in tennis. A manager can question a decision and ask for it to be reviewed in a game

[@oliekenealy9436]

Now they've released the footage Simon was spot on, They didn't have the balls to pull it back

[@funfact7188]

Liverpool fan here. PGMOL should introduce a protocol that VAR officials must be watching the game that they are helping officiate and that they are prohibited from wearing a blindfold during the game. That would have prevented this unfortunate outcome.