Simon Jordan & Graeme Souness ARGUE Over If Arsenal & Chelsea's Business Models Can Be COMPARED 👀

talkSPORT's Simon Jordan and Graeme Souness debate if Arsenal and Chelsea's business models can be compared to each other.
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[@abdulgaffaralmustapha-ro9ht]

I hate it when they call Manchester united the biggest club in the world when it’s obviously Real Madrid

[@dannytallmage2971]

No it’s actually United. Pakistan and India don’t matter

[@Rockstarnic88]

Same as when they compare saka to Messi English bias

[@dannytallmage2971]

@@Rockstarnic88 saka is african

[@MentalityGiant]

@@Rockstarnic88 Who compares Saka to Messi???? I have never heard anyone make that comparison. Stop making up nonsense.

[@The_Rizz_Lord_]

Manure not even in the top ten last few years in world football. What a joke

[@mrblue193]

Jordan is the most intelligent man in football. He knows everything there is to know about football. All the other pundits are nothing compared to him. He should buy a football club and show the rest of the football world how things should really work. He would be the most successful owner in football ever. We should all bow down and praise him, none of us are worthy.

[@DJeMo]

He has already been in the game and out, man knows his onions

[@mervynpeters]

A failed football club owner 😅😅😅

[@kennywilkinson913]

Tell me you don't get sarcasm without telling me you don't get sarcasm lads. 👀

[@jm11111]

Nice bait

[@mrblue193]

@@kennywilkinson913 haha

[@michaeldoyle5109]

Simon just thinks rich people are cleverer and better than everyone else

[@GeorgeMaac]

His constant kissing up to them, as a grown man, is vomit inducing

[@CrazyInsanelikeafox]

Stan Kronke refused to invest significant money into Arsenal until he gained 100% control of the club.

[@moderncanoe0026]

Also the stadium debt has been largely dealt with.

[@FOOTBALLTHICKO]

Fax only

[@markjohnathanappleton8642]

Well said 💯

[@ph-si6eb]

Still insufferable

[@rigsby1454]

Well there was also Wenger who was in charge

[@rigsby1454]

Jordan seems to constantly defend the Bohely project and we know why. There's absolutely no evidence they have a clue about what they're doing.

[@BridgeStamford]

Yo! You aren’t done spitting facts

[@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere]

he likes to take the contrarian view. Initially when Boehly came in and was impressing the media with his spending ambition, Simon was very much against it, calling Boehly an American idiot. Now the general media have caught on to the idea that Boehly is making a series of calamitous decisions, Simon has switched his opinion and suddenly it's nothing to worry about. If the media were still complimenting Boehly then Simon would be calling him all sorts incompetent

[@goldboy150]

@@WOOOPdoctorFROGhereyou’re all muppets because Boehly isn’t the guy in control anyway lol. It’s clear lake and Egbhali that are the majority owners and are running things day to day. Boehly is the guy the camera pans too because the average punter knows what he looks like - but using him as shorthand for Chelsea owners is entirely wrong.

[@ryan4640]

For someone with such knowledge in that area and him scrutinising nearly ever chairman it does seem weird he's sticking up for him. Seems like he's proper brown nosing

[@kaspah2628]

Name me one owner that took over a club and brought instant success with them? The only one is Roman.. Even when city got took over it took them a few years to get going and winning titles.. Clearlake have had 2 years, give them 3 more then they can start to be judged as owners

[@hilenhilen3702]

Actually stan waited until he had full ownership before he was fully integrated

[@exitthelemming145]

Souness says 'there is nothing between Man City and Arsenal?' In 22/23 alone let's try $254M in revenue and $188M in wages plus one can lie about their sponsorship income with impunity from CAS, UEFA or the Premier League.

[@michaelgreen2735]

Pundits don't mention the wage gap anywhere near enough, it is misleading not to include it!

[@58JMG]

@@exitthelemming145 Or the gap in net spend since Arteta took over, Arsenal £330m more than City. Or the huge prize moneygap , City getting £300m in the treble season alone. I know it doesn't fit with your agenda but even Jordan admits City are a very well run club now. Stop using City as the excuse for your own clubs failings.

[@Rv1333]

​@58JMG let's not act like city are this all holy, does everything right club. All them years from 2010 till pep came they were spending money like they were made of it ironically they are 😂. But everything their getting investigated for, backdoor payments, financial exaggerating what they're experiencing now is the fruits of their previous illicit labour

[@RD-zx6py]

@@58JMG you know you're cheats. That prize money was all won whilst breaking the rules so that's not the great point you think it is.

[@R18Y]

​@@58JMG "Since Arteta took over" -Thats called Cherry Picking and football fans seem to love it. No nuance allowed at all. Manchester City had done their spending to get where they are now - in the past. Basic financial concepts. Manchester City don't really have to go into loss at all now.

[@djred4847]

Jim a little jealous of Jordan and Souness’ friendship 😂

[@w10gooner.56]

I was just about to write the sane thing...

[@micah.101]

Upset he didnt get invited to the meal 😢

[@andypandy4607]

Ji you mean

[@MentalityGiant]

*Souness's

[@samprizeman4509]

@@MentalityGiant the other guy was right. You don’t need to put the letter S after the apostrophe when the apostrophe follows the letter S

[@biniamdebesay6594]

Simon twerking for boehly😭 game is gone

[@amakky1989]

Until 6 years ago Arsenal owners didn’t have “full” ownership of the club. It was only once that happened did they actually start investing. I’m not defending the owners but comparing them to Chelsea is lazy

[@fuhrernithin2724]

If the fans knew that already then why were they banners out for every game saying "Kroenke Out"?

[@amakky1989]

@@fuhrernithin2724 Because no one can see the future and we don’t care who spends the money on the club. I’m just giving reason in hindsight.

[@mhgooner9546]

Simply because fans are emotional and don't know what's actually going on when it comes to running clubs.

[@ItsAv3rageGamer]

@@fuhrernithin2724because they weren’t spending any money and tried to sign us up to a super league?

[@macmilne999]

It’s embarrassing Simon is defending Todd this much

[@the0nlytrueprophet942]

Buy Simon lunch and he's your mouthpiece

[@Mchelsea2924]

Simon and Cundy are carrying this station

[@markjohnathanappleton8642]

SIMON JORDAN DID A WONDERFUL JOB AT CRYSTAL PALACE

[@BoxingNBeards175]

Did Simon get on the wrong side of the bed this morning 😂

[@Thai.Farang]

*get out*

[@nishchaychauhan8814]

Simon is protecting Boehly and co. Because he has recognised that boehly is an alumni of the great simon school of football ownership 😂

[@BridgeStamford]

Yo bro. Here’s the mic 🎤 You ain’t done spitting facts

[@MentalityGiant]

Boehly and Simon go for dinner together, bosom buddies 🥰

[@KTM-yb2dz]

Simon has made the cardinal sin of speaking about Chelsea football club with an objective and balanced opinion. He ignored the TalkSport template of “if Chelsea are mentioned, we must all put the club and owners down as much as possible”. It’s simply incredible to watch the idiots everywhere attempting to portray the result against city as some kind of “disaster performance” or Chelsea now being in “crisis”. When in reality, Chelsea were completely in that game, up until after the 80th minute, and if Nico Jackson was more on his toes for the offside goal, or if he was able to hit that close range volley anywhere but straight at Ederson, it could’ve very easily been at least a point for Chelsea. Were city missing Rodri and Walker? Yep absolutely. Is the team they put out against Chelsea still a team that would walk to a premier league title? Yep. So a first result where Chelsea were in the game against the greatest English club team in history, not a crisis start for Moresca

[@MrMilla103]

I think if Kovacic and Lewis started every game in midfield for City, they would definitely not win the league

[@solipsist9115]

Jim, the chief instigator.

[@ryanwazza]

"Let your desire burn with the ferocity of Simon Jordan's face" - Aristotle.

[@temporaryuseraccount0012]

7:05 - "It's like being in the dock with a QC" ... There're called "KCs" now.

[@SwiftGifts-ni6qz]

Simon is a mad old goose

[@user-dw3hl4sh2w]

Eghbali and Moshiri at Everton are both billionaires born in Iran. Most people agree that Moshiri failed as an owner Hicks and Gillette flopped at Liverpool. There is no guarantee that someone successful in another business will be successful as a football club owner. Simon failed at Crystal Palace.

[@whodoyouratemore]

Correct.

[@BridgeStamford]

Yo bro. Here’s the mic 🎤 You ain’t done spitting facts

[@avtorhan]

​@@BridgeStamfordyou cringy dork 🤡

[@RoadsideGee]

Come on Simon, it’s like comparing apples with oranges.

[@hughfawcett4333]

Re the kdb point. He was injured most of last season but they still won the league

[@obinnainogbo]

I believe out of the 10 years Simon owned Palace he only had them in the Premiership for one season. You'd think he kept them in the Prem for 10 years the way he talks

[@VersatileTv2011]

Sourness bringing ed Woodward up shocked my core😂

[@sambagogo777]

Liverpool FC - one Premier League title in 34 years.

[@jimedwards9171]

Probably the most successful club in Europe for these shores mate. Chelsea could run them close in the last 20 years. In fact of my head. Correct me if I'm wrong Since 2001 liverpool Liverpool Uefa cup, super cup, European champions cup, then I think another uefa cup, European champions cup, super cup and world club cup. Plus a couple of euro finals. Chelsea since 1998 Cup winners cup, super cup, European champions cup, uefa cup, European champions cup, super cup, world club cup and I think another uefa cup. Plus a European champions cup final. If I'm wrong please correct again of my head there. Liverpool basically have been a massive club abroad mate so the Premiership is not the be all and end all when it come s to measuring success. International fans and commercial revenue are created through success abroad.

[@jimedwards9171]

I've only mentioned the last 30 years there not everything before the English European ban of the late 1980's

[@treytonmoodley6962]

SJ knows his stuff…💯

[@GG22LL-f7m]

Simon Jordan proved that you can’t just switch industries and be successful

[@almac9865]

There are a lot of uninformed, vacuous opinions in here, I hope Simon reads these and cuts through the nonsense

[@Silly_Sausage_xoxo]

Can you please tell Simon Jordan to ask a question, listen to the response and then reply... I'm not here to listen to him cutting in with childish jibes, point scoring and talking over people... mush

[@richiesheridan7247]

Jordan is like a PR man for Chelsea

[@hughfawcett4333]

Jordan has monovision and gets too emotional on a couple of particular topics. 1 man city 2. Todd Boehly

[@terrymetcalfe615]

If Jordan shut his mouth for a few minutes he may learn something.

[@Jacko-kb5to]

If it’s not about Liverpool it’s pointless speaking to Souness

[@guneytopal1713]

One club has spent around 700-800mil in 5 years whereas the other has spend around 1.2-1.3billion in 2 years. Not a comparable model if the finances aren’t relatable

[@sparkyred42]

Simon trying to defend his mate Boely........he's way off base with this one, Chelsea are doomed if they carry on in this fashion.

[@michaelgreen2735]

They deserve to be doomed anyhow, mid table club!

[@benconstable2375]

How is what Kroenke did with Arsenal in any way compatible with what's happening at Chelsea?! Pedro Neto was the 35th player Chelsea have signed permanently since Clearlake took over. You'd have to go back to 2018 and Guendouzi for the same comparison with Arsenal.

[@DMCpellegrino]

Man City were fortunate that their first fixture was Chelsea, who themselves run the risk of being in the bottom 3 after their next fixture.

[@deaconfrost6]

Jordan is spot on

[@marksmith8984]

Simon does what he always does, makes long statements and then never lets the pundit respond by talking all over them. LET THE GUY SPEAK FFS

[@birggsyaimsey8064]

What a fool Jordan is blew his fortune and almost ran crystal Palace into oblivion and still thinks he's a football expert😂

[@tomsloan6646]

Embarrassing he keeps defending Tod bouley

[@taiwoa8781]

Talking over each other is not a good listening experience

[@GreggaraZZi]

Simon swallowed some Boehly soup 😄

[@saulmadrileno8529]

Cheerful Simon 😂😂😂😂

[@Pr3stag3]

Why don't you just call your channel talkCHELSEA because that's all you keep going on about most of your videos are about Chelsea. You do know there are 19 more football teams in the Prem?

[@unbanmegaben4594]

Chelsea is the most interesting at the moment. They are either gonna flop or somehow stick the landing. It's kinda fun to watch

[@randymarsh7577]

Its because of the way the club is being run !!!

[@mrgavincameron7002]

Simons argument is flawed because the Kronkes are some of the most successful sports owners in the world. They know what they did and are doing. Boyle... not so much

[@welshjake69]

Pep says, "we are not at our best." No one batts an eyelid at it. ETH drops "we are not ready," and it becomes the headline of the weekend. Just shows the levels of how boring City are and how the media agenda sides with them consistently

[@mhgooner9546]

The lack of knowledge from Simon is crazy lol and this guy is supposed to know about the financial side of the game. Arsenal didn't spend big because we had a stadium debt and Kroenke wasn't 100% in charge. Since 2018 when he did get full control he has invested and we have been on an upwards trajectory.

[@davidkavanagh3484]

Simon was so successful likes to hear his own voice.

[@kal5163]

Arsenal's progress has more to do with Josh than Stan. Josh bought into the club much more than his father, his involvement was crucial to the progress that the club was looking to make.

[@whodoyouratemore]

Jordan is talking rubbish there are many a millionaire billionaire businesses men who have bought football clubs and screwed it up

[@nick1546]

Simon Jordan claims to be an almanac of football ownership/management and fails to mention that 6 years ago, when the Kronke’s assumed ‘total’ ownership of the club, is exactly when they changed their approach to investing in Arsenal and taking a greater interest in the management of the club. As an investor himself, surely has can see why they didn’t over-commit prior to having full control. Clear as day for me.

[@jamiiiedee3196]

LET HIM SPEAK SIMON 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥

[@Minilover-ec7ci]

Usmanov was a majority shareholder unfortunately...with him out of the way its 100% kse hence why youre seeing progress on the pitch and off the pitch

[@m0o0n0i0r]

Jorginho looks like a good buy also for Arsenal.

[@paulrickett4402]

Making mistakes is not the problem, it’s not learning from those mistakes.

[@microfarming8583]

Jordan is so far up Bohely's backside he's as far out of touch with reality as Todd himself

[@Questioneverything2050]

Never ask Simon and Gab(espn) about Chelsea. Bought and paid for agents of Todd the mad king

[@igorciudin8049]

Souness is like a grumpy old lady who is blinded by his own shade.

[@kienyeaphowyong788]

Simon likes to intervene ppl from talking and talks as if he is the smartest in the room.

[@williamjarrett9309]

65 MM to perform the roles ARTETA valued, not the ones the media do. Goals are part of it. So far it has proven to be money well spent.

[@Nooguysorryyyy536]

The two Spanish teams are bigger than Utd

[@renoirrandy7241]

One is bankrupted, It's 1 for now

[@samuelcampbell2977]

Simon glazing Chelsea is getting old

[@FOOTBALLTHICKO]

30 years and Liverpool have 1/2 a league title

[@davedennison7386]

???...yoov a short memory mate, football didn't start with the Premier League...the bin-dippers have won the league more than anyone but United....let's have it right...

[@ayubali9792]

Stan is a horrible owner and was horrible up until he gave more control to josh. Ever since the protest it’s been sunshine and rainbows

[@WhatInTheDeepestShadeOfFeck]

There's very little between Arsenal and City, except for Haaland and experience. City are going to smash it again this year, unfortunately.

[@RorBrien]

Yeah people make mistakes... pay 10-20m over the top for a player... not pay double for a whole squad that no manager can manage and push them to FFP limits for the next 8 years... the geezer is nuts 😊

[@TheBronzeSage]

Chelsea agent in the building. 🤭🤭🤭

[@Fiachraraven]

Simon is a world champion now.

[@the0nlytrueprophet942]

Simon is arrogant enough to think boehly bought him lunch just because Simon is so interesting 😂 mate he bought your influence

[@shazebahmed0704]

How much has Chelsea spent in the last two years 😂 You can’t compare the spending to any other team in the premier league 💯😁

[@liberalslayer7220]

This is also related to the amount of money that the club has gained from the transfer sale of players from academy and the transfer fees that was paid by Arsenal and Utd for a profit. This is to coincide with the reduction in wages and the fact they have spread the FFP payments across the contract lengths of 8 years means they are better businessmen than any other team competing for the top spots.

[@unknownm5732]

​@@liberalslayer7220aye giving Mudryk an 8 year deal. They are defo the best 😂😂😂😂

[@shazebahmed0704]

@@liberalslayer7220 those 8 year contracts 😁😆😆😆😆 some of those players Chelsea will make a loss when they plan on selling

[@liberalslayer7220]

@@unknownm5732 The cost of Mudryk regarding FFP is 8 million a year for Havertz its 16 million in salary is also less than half. Declan Rice yearly cost regarding FFP is around the same amount as Chelsea’s fee for Enzo and Caicedo combined with a 25k a week salary difference.hence the reason why Chelsea is able to make more signings. The Felix deal 45 million gets distributed across the contract and the 45 million fee for Gallagher gets put straight in as a profit. The Havertz deal was at a good profit along with the amount of academy players that we sold. Arsenal’s not making profit from players sold anywhere near the profits Chelsea’s been making.

[@stephenmcguire8545]

Its the frist time I've seen and heard theses plums talk about other clubs other than United.

[@davidboon7219]

The Total Americanisation of our game 😢

[@okeyakono5087]

Simon looks like he had a cosmetic procedure.

[@Mike-vi3vn]

Now way Simon Jordan is only 56!!!

[@Nooguysorryyyy536]

I always believed that Kroenke started funding arsenal cos his American teams were winning. His ego wanted to cash in on that tidal wave and see himself a conqueror in Europe too. Arteta being as good as he is, was just serendipitous for him. But the tap will close again, soon I think. And arsenal will go back to the model Simon is going on about.

[@BridgeStamford]

Arteta is a very good manager no doubt but don’t tell me he’ll get a team to the top

[@lindilebangose7667]

So the strategy has been to wait for KDB to get old? lol

[@Trecesolotienesdos]

Kse don’t do the same! No seven years contracts or selling hotels to keep with ffp 😂😂😂

[@ianthepreneur]

Too many interruptions and talking over each other.

[@rogerchew7]

That’s all well and good but the real question is, what did Simon do to his hair

[@muhammadhanif4113]

I know why simon defending boehly,boehly bring more tax,money flow,branding,trust to england.

[@sheldonhague5034]

Havertz not better he's just back.

[@jeannetramane8983]

Oh strange for them not Ineos though

[@Jtggllkyhfff]

Jim (Ji) always makes me laugh

[@warwickchan3305]

Difference is Chelsea were European champions only 3 years ago

[@jacklegros6614]

And now a mid table team

[@sumitshrestha2986]

Yes but right now as it stands that time frame is only going to grow. Nothing to see they will replicate that success any time soon

[@legendaltair2733]

If Simon was on the field his legs would be ripped apart by Souness. Lucky Simon😂

[@abiodunoni420]

Simon is quite annoying.

[@jasondesouza2082]

What is this bs can you guys talk about how to sack ETH by media?????

[@thedean4431]

his influence was not there last years kdb was out for 8 months souness lol now he is fit no hamstring issues like the last 4 years ps and haaland wont miss 4 months either ps hello gundo . to sum up its over 5x by feb

[@user-er4xo2zl4r]

Need more Scottish on Talksport

[@w10gooner.56]

jim is jealous that Simon might run off with Graham...

[@ronanhughes8506]

City dropped off 10% last year and still won. I think City will get 95+ points which will be enough to finish top. Arsenal will win the year after when City are relegated.

[@TheSwerve222]

Simon is starting to look and act like a Spitting Image version of himself. He will be a laughing stick if he doesn’t stop it soon.

[@FlaviaGuiderara]

Dating advice: don't trust a man who can't appreciate the artistry of a well-timed meme💝

[@johnbishop4510]

Jim white is hilarious!! The talk sport melt!! He’s needs replacing with someone with a personality

[@zeldzald8094]

Made mistakes like everyone else I’m pretty sure no one has actually made that mistake before 🤡 even ambramovic

[@kirkhowcroft9217]

Woodward spent billions on shite

[@Lorcan-dx8hg]

An expensive panini 🤷‍♂️