Simon, Tom, and Harry on Sjin leaving the Yogscast

[@joyfulmordo3168]

Press F for the combined childhood of everyone subscribed to sjin

[@Foggovor]

Smithy04 :3 Lol or press f for the victims maybe that’s more important I dunno

[@joyfulmordo3168]

Foggovor 😬

[@kieran6201]

@@Foggovor the victims who presumably messaged him in the first place? And the victims who didn't bother going to the effort of blocking sjin if they felt his messages were inappropriate? Poor them 😂

[@ianlilley2577]

@@Foggovor wasn't ot just flirting and with grown women? If it was with underaged girls makes sense to fire him but if it's woth Adults and the company is bothered send him to HR or something

[@kieran6201]

Apparently some were underage but this is coming from a genderfluid moderator for the Yogscast and the day I take the word of someone who's genderfluid is the day I blow my brains out 😂

[@OodldoodlNoodlesocks]

Tom looks so deflated :(

[@victoriac2816]

awh bless him :'(

[@nexusvoid367]

Dafuq is your problem?

[@aaron_905]

Tom looks like Zylus

[@scottinbristol]

@l-3176-l Tom hates the chilluminati streams

[@oxplough]

A triangle is three sided, but a pyramid has a four sided base. :_(

[@mlucc5]

Cecil Rhodes damn it’s like this was meant to happen

[@shmuel5352]

A pyramid can have a 3 sided base and if the rumours are true this pyramid is probably better without the 4th

[@codymarshall587]

Shmuel look into the rumors. They lose their power quick. As both a female, and a victim of sexual abuse, what Sjin did was... flirt?

[@shmuel5352]

@@codymarshall587 I probably should have said that if the more serious of the rumours are proven true then they'd be better off

[@codymarshall587]

Shmuel very true, if Sjin genuinely is a nonce then damn hin to hell

[@heyitshollis9278]

God this whole situation sucks

[@kierankulesa9365]

I love you're profile

[@Sand_and_company]

Life sucks, someday you gotta leave the bad people in your lives and kick them out of your life to have a better one.

[@elise205]

@@Sand_and_company Yeah, but when kicking out the bad people causes the good people to go to, then life really sucks. Sjin is innocent, and yet, due to the unstoppable force of the internet jumping to conclusions and having a guilty until proven innocent rule, he's had to leave the Yogscast for his own mental health. It sucks. The bastards on the internet have ruined an innocent man's reputation, career, and possibly his social life. EDIT: - YIKES! I got it sooooo wrong lol, Sjin's an absolute bastard misogynist. My comment aged like milk that had already gone off.

[@paulomachado7328]

@@elise205 He's not innocent. Don't talk as if you know all the facts.

[@pormpfspimperton6804]

He isn’t innocent, but he isn’t Guilty. Lewis said it himself. He said some risqué stuff with a fan, and that probably shouldn’t have been enough for him to have to leave. But it was, and that’s just how it’s gotta be

[@memelord2723]

We're going to end up with the yogscast being just Simon

[@Alino-]

I like to imagine sips is actually framing everyone so he can take over the company and rename it to Sipsco, and had to frame Sjin to get them off his trail, since Sjin was his best employee ;) On a more serious note, really hoping this doesn't end up in even more members leaving.

[@breadlast]

We'd still watch a channel that's just Simon. That's like a trail mix, but just chocolate chips left over, you'd still eat it.

[@20tigerpaw20]

@@breadlast best analogy of simon.

[@memelord2723]

@@breadlast exactly

[@ollypolly8113]

Don't forget Sips and hatfilms 😉

[@alexsears5082]

I remember the first time I saw Sjin in a video. It was when they first played Tekkit. Good times

[@Viberius096]

Alex Sears A much simpler time

[@KrossAkuma]

Oh Fuck Your Right. He’s The Entire Reason I Even Watched The Yogscast. If It Was Just Those 3 Dicking Around It Wouldn’t Be As Fun.

[@olive6942]

very long time ago I will miss his trolling

[@Reragi]

Remember his old skin? Remember him being the best employee of Sipsco, then leaving to be replaced by Lewis? the talking head underground? mining copper in voltz? the red matter bomb? shipping and receiving? what? seeds? DUNCAN? GERTRUDE?! Elsa? RDM'd? this man was a legend and he we will be missed dearly

[@atomicgummygod9232]

he was irreplaceable.

[@meganh2609]

when Barry was talking about how they weren’t replacing him he sounded so upset

[@mobagel_]

Thank God I only read the title wrong. It though it said, "Simon, Tom, Harry and Sjin leaving the Yogscast. Still a sh*tty situation though

[@RethSose1]

Prototype273 that’s exactly what I thought. Almost died.

[@freddiedonnellan]

Sjin was my favourite member 😭

[@joyfulmordo3168]

Freddie Donnellan big mood

[@ssssaa2]

meh he'll keep making vids and it's not like he's evil or anything just wasn't acceptable by yogscast rules not illegal.

[@luckycat624]

@@ssssaa2 He won't be making videos for a long time though, if he ever does again. Could just decide "fuck it" and stop entirely

[@freddiedonnellan]

Nick yeah but he won’t be making videos with the other Yog members

[@shmuel5352]

@@ssssaa2 according to one of the people involved in exposing Caff there was a 14 year old involved. Only rumours at the moment but still worrying

[@trilobiteterror8015]

It's understandable why this whole deal with Sjin is still so frustrating and controversial after the final decision (much more so than with Caff and Turps) and it's NOT just because of how popular Sjin is. It's because this whole thing is far less concrete than with Caff or Turps. Caff basically ran away and then Turps put out that statement that "We have removed his channels from our KZbin CMS and have requested Twitch remove his channels from association with the Yogscast. He is no longer part of the Yogscast collective." In Turps' case, he made the statement that "I have sent some inappropriate messages to several members of our community and I’m deeply embarrassed about this error of judgement. There’s no justification or excuse for my behaviour." and Lewis stating Turps "made the right decision to face up to his actions." With Sjin he made the statement: "Just to let you know, I’m stepping away from The Yogscast after 8 years. It’s been an intense few weeks for everybody but I believe this is the best way forward. For a long time I’ve chatted privately with community members but I’ve come to realise this behaviour might not be considered appropriate by everybody. I’m really sorry if my actions have caused any upset to anyone. I'm going to be taking a lot more time off but plan to continue making content independently one day when I'm ready." That is not an admission of being guilty of the serious accusations against him and Lewis has stated that: "I know that some here are expecting an “innocent” or “guilty” verdict but it’s more complicated than that." (something I don't think he would be so wishy washy on if the serious accusations were true). There isn't the same level of acceptance of being guilty/condemnation as with the other 2 cases. There also isn't much evidence available to us right now (and what evidence is available could easily be fake and hasn't really been verified) and there isn't much for credible statements from those involved in the investigation besides that of a long time mod (which doesn't automatically mean their statements are to be viewed as entirely factual/without bias or anywhere near as reliable as a statement from Lewis, etc.) People say that Sjin stepping down is proof he's entirely guilty (and that Lewis allowing him to leave the Yogscast is proof he's entirely guilty, despite Lewis saying that it's more complicated that guilty or innocent) but Sjin could have easily simply not been able to deal with the allegations anymore (and not been able to deal with how much they were harming the Yogscast) and decided to step down (even if the actually true accusations weren't severe enough to warrant stepping down). Until someone trusted (like Lewis, etc.) makes a more concrete statement, Sjin admits more to what he did, or completely verified evidence is provided, we're all in limbo here.

[@yyflame]

Awesome post! Just wanted to add that Sjin stepping down was really the only path for him at this point. If he had stayed in the yogscast the whirlwind of outrage would have continued to build and eventually ruin him and irreparably damage the yogscast. Now that he’s stepped down hopefully people will look at what he allegedly did objectively instead of emotionally. Hopefully this will help him retain some of his audience. It’s a really bad situation and this isn’t the way things should have to be, but it’s the way our world is now

[@trilobiteterror8015]

@@yyflame Agreed.

[@cursedgaraged5801]

I'm glad I was reading the comments to find people like you, this is a great mindset for the time being

[@soliferi]

Exactly

[@GreenEyedDazzler]

Sjins statement was embarrassing. He knows he made a mistake but he can’t own up to it, saying “some people may have found my behavior inappropriate”. I love Sjin too, he is one of my favorite Yogscast members but that doesn’t give him a free pass from his actions. Celebrities shouldn’t use their power to flirt or make friends with fans, it’s an unbalanced dynamic.

[@alanfish91]

Why did this pop up in my recommended videos today? Isn't there enough sadness going around?

[@mcmoozack]

same

[@TheQueenofMaggots]

It can always get worse

[@mikehitchcock5753]

Super relevant with the Smash community nowadays

[@jordinagel1184]

Got recommended to me shortly after the Ryan Haywood incident from Rooster Teeth. Damn, KZbin, you’re on point... I hate it, but you’re on point

[@shanemorton773]

Simon just laughs and Tom's depressed AF.

[@TaradaPryoNINJA]

I can sympathize with Simon though, I tend to make jokes about bad situations in order to get through them. Poor guy has been through hell and back these past few months, and I'm sure it doesn't help to see the reddit's reaction. And Tom to me looks betrayed/angry, especially considering the way he said "turned out he washed his dick"

[@Snipergod1024]

@@TaradaPryoNINJA Or he's just upset that his friend felt he had to leave, and made that comment as a joke when he wasn't feeling it.

[@elise205]

I think Simon's close to a breakdown... His life's work has been the Yogscast, it's literally everything he'll leave behind when he passes. And he's watching it fall apart. I think he's basically given up again. Poor Simon, and poor Lewis... Ten years, just... Withering away...

[@yngv1]

Spatial Awareness I wouldn’t say their work is wasted, if you stop for a second and think how much money they’ve raised for Charity. Incredible, incredible amounts.

[@elise205]

@@yngv1 True, but it'd be a shame if that force for good ends up dying.

[@Sims3Loverx]

won’t be the same

[@RayWJEqualsFavorite]

such a shame no matter whats happened these guys are not just colleges they are genuinely friends thats why the content works so well, sips was nearly in tears when he spoke about it poor lad, its awful that these things happen and fair play to rest of the chilli boys having a sense of humor about it, top lads.

[@valeforedark]

He talked about sjin asking an adult for pics and adding a trans woman to Skype ?

[@RayWJEqualsFavorite]

@@valeforedark is that what this is all over seriously dude? thats mad I assumed it was simmilar too the turps situation

[@DrLennieSmall]

@@valeforedark Assuming the people were of age, I can see why they complained but getting fired seems a bit harsh a sanction. And what's wrong with adding a trans to skype?

[@jamesrothery4013]

@@DrLennieSmall the people were of age, (as far as i know none were below 16 the age of consent in the UK) and he got fired mainly for breaking their code of conduct. seems after turps and caff they just have a zero tolerance policy for this stuff

[@abijo5052]

@@jamesrothery4013 Just to clarify, though 16 is the age of consent, 18 is still the age of majority. So even if they're 17 they're still minors. This also means if he did send or receive nudes he either supplied pornography to a minor, or asked for and received for child porn, both of which are extremely serious offences. Plus even if he didn't, he it could still be harassment, as they are not 'consenting adults'

[@dondemitri3760]

Ive never seen Tom look like this...

[@lewisallan9963]

We're not going to be replacing him our boys gone

[@Slimstats-KFP]

I really hate this situation even though it was Sjin's idea(correct me if I'm wrong). I just hope that even though they can't make content together for now, they still stay good friends. The friendship between the members of the yogscast are what drew me in and one of the main reasons why I love them.

[@niteowlx5178]

I'm sure Duncan and some the guys will still make videos with him now and then, he's just not a member anymore

[@brettpid6416]

nah the yogscast is just a soulless company, they aren't friends

[@TheMock5000]

@@brettpid6416 except sips

[@monferno1]

Joschua Brinkmann too be fair the core of them we’re friends before the Yogscast ever started, wether or not they are now is another matter

[@aledmorgan92]

Dude there's screenshots of him asking 14 year old girls to send nudes. You can't make content with a guy like that.

[@durpanda123]

Watching this back, I still almost cry when Harry says they're not replacing him. That part really gets me.

[@dillonhogan1404]

don't go on the subreddit, it's a mess of accusations and denial

[@saoirsedeltufo7436]

It’s ridiculous. Obviously we won’t get any evidence because of victim privacy so we have to just trust the Yogscast here, speculation gets us nowhere

[@TheMariostarr]

@Kryptic honestly they should just fucking lock it. And then the staff and mods should come out and say: 'You want a Yogs subreddit? Make your own.' People are fucking stupid.

[@declaringpond2276]

@@TheMariostarr People are stupid for asking for evidence?? Especially when the accusations range from mildly awkward fan interaction to rape and pedophilia?? Like, regardless of evidence, they don't even tell us what he is actually getting kicked out for, all we know is the drama from 3 years ago that was just fliting with a fan, but now theres rumors of something else, but no actual accusations from a victim.

[@placeholdernameisplacehold7671]

@@saoirsedeltufo7436 I don't know these people. I trust them as far as I trust anything I read online. They should provide real evidence to back up their decisions or they shouldn't be upset when people call these decisions unfounded

[@fakeskyler2305]

You can tell Tom's trying his hardest to keep it chill, like he does best

[@Sir_Gwan]

KZbin recommended this to me just to make me feel bad all over again thanks KZbin

[@dr.vonfunkulusthecrimsonho6794]

Man, after 2 years I only just found out about this today. I was watching this dread hunger video and I remembered how Sjin would troll a lot and so I searched his channel up and noticed he only posted a few days ago and then I saw a title saying something like “KZbin creep returns” and my heart sunk. It’s a real shame but I’m glad that the yogscast acted properly about this. Sexual allegations are a complete mess and probably one of the worse things that can happen to a community. At present its probably best if he does not return (atleast to main channel videos) but I think it’s up to the yogscast on that since I know little about the situation

[@krawdad4600]

he didn't return to the yogscast, they'd get shutdown if they let sjin back in. he's chillin in his own little corner now.

[@McRambro]

He got shit on by a gender fluid ex moderator (Mighty Claw) and MintyMinute , never trust women.

[@illbeyourpokeman2260]

Reminder that Hannah doxed a CHILD (under 13 year old kid), and revealed his IRL location on a public Twitter post but wasn't held accountable? Sjin gets some dirt on him that is 1.) Nowhere near as bad as Turps/Caff's actions 2.) Not illegal and 3.) are STILL "allegations" despite nearly a decade of this being dug up; but the pressure forced on him by the company still got him to resign. This is an outrage. ((((I am aware that this decision was the smartest for Sjin and the Yogscasts, if Sjin had stayed Lewis would have been berated with employee favoritism and the Yogscasts name would suffer in their public image. It's just too much and puts Sjin in an awkward light, I'm sure he resigned for not only the company but for his friends. It's just ridiculous how this is allowed to happen and Lewis is forcing all of the viewers to remain clueless and upset.)))))

[@brettpid6416]

yeah they're pretty much dead to me now, the whole "group of friends" thing got me into it in the first place sometimes i still watch some lewis and ben stuff, but if I want yogscast rewatch tekkit or something might as well desub really (never gave a damn about hannah or caff though, maybe a bit about turps)

[@Giblet12]

Joschua Brinkmann Thank you for letting everyone know you unsubbed.

[@pinkpixels8806]

Joschua Brinkmann they still have that same “group of friends” feel, just with some different people thrown in the mix. Tom and Ben. Tom and Simon. Chilluminati. Hat films. Lewis and Ben. Lewis and Lydia. Lydia and Bouphe. Armchair admirals. Animal news with Simon and Lewis. Stop being a twat.

[@al145]

"This is the end, my only friend, the end It hurts to set you free But you'll never follow me The end of laughter and soft lies The end of nights we tried to die This is the end"

[@UncannySense]

Turns out he did have a soft voice was shady and had balls.

[@sirshaggeh6205]

Big oof, but well done sir. Uncertain of your intent (all the better tbh), but thanks anyways for this callback. If anyone would insist "not too soon" for this quip, it would (seem to me) be Sjin. Shit happens, and dark humor helps distract from the burning sore with a poke in the funny-at-worst-time bone.

[@UncannySense]

@@sirshaggeh6205 I am sorry for his fans, but that's about it. He'll go back to repackaging mediocre MC tutorials and probaly streaming classic WoW permanently between sponsored mobile games if still gets offers. Majority of his most recent yogs content gave the impression he couldn't care less and didn't bring anything positive. just the 'trolls' and jumping on fence posts bored. Best move on.

[@declaringpond2276]

@@UncannySense You people who want to cancel people are disgusting. You didn't like his shit so you support his cancellation over awkward fan interaction. The same type of person who wanted hannah zoe and Kim canceled for the same reason

[@montpc259]

@@declaringpond2276 What'd Zoey and Kim do? Also I fully support outing Hannah though. She doxxed a minor, threatened him, essentially "tattled" on him to his parents and school just because he messed with her friend.

[@declaringpond2276]

@@montpc259 Well, to be fair, he was trans phobic, but I was making a point that what sjin did, is what many others have done, his drama has just been overblown(unless actually proven to be what they are claiming it is)

[@Corndog4382]

Sjin created the chilluminati and is now forced to leave...

[@Xana17]

He chose to leave tho.

[@Xana17]

@Cake but like Lewis said it wasn't black and white. He probably just left to move on from it. I'm sure Lewis would have kept him otherwise

[@mcmactheaveragesunbro8741]

@Cake allegedly lol, everything is confusing

[@syndan9245]

@Cake That isn't why he left 1. He was asked to lay low not leave, that was his decision. 2. There isn't any tangible proof of the more serious allegations against him. 3. He most likely bit the bullet and left for everyone else's sake, as having an accused predator would scare away investors and sponsors. Lastly, it is innocent until proven guilty for a reason. You are condemning him based on the testimony of a couple of girls that have no real evidence to back their accusations. The only evidence that came out was him flirting with a fan that flirted with him first.

[@Sheeeeeeeeshshshshs]

Syndan Where did you hear he was “asked to lay low” because that’s just not true.

[@awillaims8653]

I remember when sjin stepped across them lovely flowers with his boss sips looked sjin up for some childhood memories and found all this instead sad world

[@mirkys130]

I don’t get it, it seems like literally everyone wants him to stay

[@Connnnor99]

Mirkys technically broke conduct, and Lewis is pretty adamant about the Yogscast image with stuff like that so he really had no choice. A safe call but probably wasn’t the smartest choice

[@ricksanchez3557]

@@Connnnor99 From what I've heard what sjin done was pretty fucking bad and it's being blown over like it's nothing. I'd check this thread out it kinda put it into perspective old.reddit.com/r/Yogscast/comments/crlft5/some_things_people_should_think_about_before_they/

[@RevoRPM]

It doesn't really put anything into perspective. It essentially comes down to some guy saying "well I have a bunch of really incriminating evidence, but I'm not going to share it with anyone so please just believe me." He talks as if there's some kind of privacy issue which is why he can't release this horde of evidence he has, but then gives it to Lewis? So he's willing to share it with Lewis but not the authorities. What that says to me is that Sjin didn't actually do anything illegal and the only thing he can do is give what he has to Lewis and hope Sjin steps down. Another reason I think he isn't willing to share evidence is that it's not as bad as he's making it out to be. This way nobody can judge how bad it is for themselves and we all have to just take him on his word. Also there's a discord message where he mentions that when told that flirting with a 17 year old is legal in the UK he responds with "well, I don't care it's creepy anyway." Yeah, someone should lose their livelihood because they seem "creepy" to you. Doesn't exactly paint him out to be an entirely objective party in this whole thing.

[@ricksanchez3557]

@@RevoRPM Haven't seen the ''I don't care, it's creepy anyway'' but if that's true you got a point. I don't know chief, I myself just wouldn't defend Sjin because I don't know what he has done so you don't wanna get caught up defending someone who could have actually done bad shit ya know.

[@GoldenGameDev]

@@ricksanchez3557 I disagree. I believe you *should* defend someone when no evidence has been brought forward against them. They are innocent until proven guilty.

[@SherioCheers]

I stand by what I've said before, as someone who's been assaulted by a stranger, these "He sent me messages and I'm offended" girls are only looking to ruin people's lives. Everything they're doing is taking away from women who have actually suffered.

[@valeforedark]

One he asked pics for was an adult here in the UK. The trans woman was an adult. It's like saying if someone hits on you ,knowing you are famous you cannot do a thing because you get fired.

[@thomasyoung3342]

valeforedark There is a lot of new information that they seemingly can’t talk about publicly right now. Lewis hinted at it in his official statement and one of the long time Yog mods who is heavily involved in the situation has come out and said that the situation is much worse than people seem to think but how much can be made explicitly public is limited. Their sentiments were corroborated by a lot of the other reputable mods as well. www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/Yogscast/comments/crlft5/some_things_people_should_think_about_before_they/

[@milesscarpine7186]

@@thomasyoung3342 idk sjin did something but I have a feeling it just went against code of conduct and isn't illegal all he has to do is stream once a week and the die hard fans will keep him a float

[@thomasyoung3342]

Miles Scarpine The accounts of the mods involved with the situation suggests differently.

[@milesscarpine7186]

@@thomasyoung3342 so these mods are all seeing and are gods then why the heck are they only mods sounds like they just got mad because someone called them useless 5 slayers ago and went me too on a bunch of texts

[@sightseek3r]

~Just in the spirit of discussion, I'm reposting this comment since I realized I had buried it 18 replies beneath another comment.~ I'm sure we're all in agreement that no reasonable person would dismiss allegations if there is real evidence. A person is innocent until proven guilty. We - the public - haven't seen evidence, so in our eyes Sjin must still be innocent, right? They should just release all of the information they have, right? No. Because that's not how you handle a situation like this professionally. False accusations do exist. So does harassment of victims despite actual evidence. That's why everything is being handled behind the scenes and they have an unbiased 3rd party conducting the investigations, and it is unlikely that we will see even a fraction of the evidence. We aren't part of the Yogs, and we're not unbiased professionals who are treating the evidence against Sjin the same way they treated the evidence against Caff and Turps. Come to think about it, there wasn't nearly as much uproar when Caff and Turps got caught vs now with Sjin. In fact with Caff, I saw quite a few people outright stating their negative opinions of him, as if they had distrusted him from the beginning - as if something had always been "off" about him. Points such as this show that the community should have no say in how these matters are handled, because rules should apply to everyone equally, but the community is not applying them equally to everyone. We've got favorites, and whether it is intentional or not, we're letting that color our arguments. In the end we have to realize that just as much as we want everything to continue being fun and carefree, so do Lewis and the rest of the Yogs. We have to trust that the decisions they are making aren't being made lightly. We have to trust that some real shit that had come to light before making these decisions and that none of this is happening without reason. We're the community and the Yogs aren't our personal friends. We have to trust that these guys and gals, who are friends and have been friends for years, are being hit harder by all of this than us. And for the record, I loved watching Sjin in almost everything he appeared in, whether it was on the main channel, on his own, or otherwise. On a daily basis I've caught myself wishing he hadn't left because he was such a cool, funny dude. I find myself wishing none of this had come to light - and that's actually pretty fucked up because if the evidence exists (and I have to trust that it does) then he absolutely should be facing consequences no matter how much I think he's cool or funny. I'm fucking biased and that's why I'm arguing that we should trust the Yogs, accept that Sjin is gone, and get on with grieving.

[@deg1studios]

You don't "have to trust that it does" exist. The point of innocent until proven guilty is that, in the absence of evidence, you assume innocence. And evidence is absent. Maybe it exists, but I'm not going to trust shit before it is shown. Trusting that evidence exists without being shown it is a very dangerous mindset. If we judge Sjin guilty without evidence, that proves to millions of fans that a few allegations is all it takes to destroy someone's career, or even someone's entire life. The fucked up thing is that people are already judging Sjin guilty. If they're gonna reveal a scandal, they should reveal it all. Instead they chose to put the thought in our heads without confirming or denying it. They handled this very poorly. Whether the evidence exists or not, Sjin will have lost a big part of his fanbase and will probably never recover. They should have just said "Sjin has left the yogscast for reasons we cannot disclose" or whatever.

[@cursedgaraged5801]

@@deg1studios I feel like no one but you two have talked about it rationally, everyone else seems to be either going for a guilty confirmed or completely denying it

[@yuhitsme516]

If I'm not mistaken Sjin already had these accusations against him years ago and was allowed to stay due to how minor his actions where. The fact that these accusations are coming back up is likely due to turps and caff. I don't believe sjin is completely innocent. But I also don't believe he deserves what he is getting. I think he decided to step down because all of the pressure from everybody was likely putting him in a horrible state of mind. Until more evidence arrives or a member of the yogs states his guilt I will choose to believe he doesn't deserve what he's getting although not completely innocent

[@youixentoo]

The accusations aren't new, thought people were aware of his somewhat shady past. Came across it a few years ago by pure accident. Don't know any of the details, but they should've dealt with it back then if it really is this serious, not now again. Though they probably got some new evidence, we might never know, which changes the situation. If not, well... The situation around Caff and Turps doesn't help, but most importantly the general thought of the public has changed over the years. What was "acceptable" a few years ago, isn't now. While I don't like it, this was inevitable. I'm kinda surprised it took this long.

[@Buglin_Burger7878]

Well then, since we are willing to believe allegations with no proof and biased trust the Yogs cast... I except the same biased support when I call you out for sending me bad messages 5 years back. You're trusting the Yogs without proof, so by this extension you have to trust me. By trying so hard to avoid being biased to Sjin, you're now biased to Yogs. A neutral response, a non-biased one, is "I don't know what the truth is, so I can't assume anyone is guilty without information, since I can't assume guilt how can I justify how the situation is handled?" Information is relevant to everyone, by offering none and defending the lack of information you leave only one possible response through logic. You have no proof anyone is guilty so you can't assume guilt unless you're willing to believe my "claim" above. Without evidence belief is simply bias.

[@Galenmereth]

I just can’t watch Yogscast anymore. Sjin and Turps leaving just killed the vibe for me.

[@mcmactheaveragesunbro8741]

I'll still watch sips and Duncan 😔

[@JTNipp2]

We still got Sips.

[@Blahsheep]

Same here. I just went back to watching the original minecraft series and even though turps and sjin isn't there, I just have this thought in the back of my head. I just feel bad for them. They acted poorly, but this whole thing was blown way out of proportion

[@brettpid6416]

same :(

[@jamesruxton5004]

Honestly mad at sjin for ruining sjin, bit of a shock to hear what he did. I feel for Bouphe and the girls :(

[@Magitroopa]

F for Sjin :(

[@balthiersgirl2658]

F

[@dark_messiah8183]

Magitroopa nah, F for the people hurt by him. Don’t get me wrong, I loved Sjin. He was a piece of my childhood. Those videos of him building Erebor? Some of my happiest memories. Same with the Jaffa Factory sagas and Yogsquest, so many great memories. But what he did doesn’t look good, and I feel bad for those hurt, and feel bad for loving a monster all these years. Hopefully the Yogs can move forward. Hopefully no one else from my childhood turns out to be a monster.

[@shogun1650]

Dark_Messiah wdym people hurt by him? All he did was flirt with some girls who messaged him first and if they felt uncomfortable, they had the option of blocking him. F for Sjin

[@elphiefanful]

@@shogun1650 F for fuck sjin

[@dark_messiah8183]

Quinbulance there is currently likely an ongoing investigation going on as the Yogs handed info over to authorities. Long time Yogs moderators who originally broke the Caff story have confirmed that what Sjin did was on par with Caff and many details are being withheld for legal reasons.

[@jindo5]

I randomly had a dream about Sjin rejoining the Yogscast, and now this video shows up in my reccommended. That is some next-level mindreading from KZbin.

[@joshborat8072]

This really sucks, sips does explain it a bit better but God dammit sjin was one of my fav yogs

[@georgehh2574]

"Three sides of the triangle... it's the Triforce Tom...oh shit we could be..." *A new contender enters the ring.*

[@kdmedia1534]

Fuck, I misread that. Thought it said Simon, Tom and Harry on leaving the Yogscast. Shat myself 😂

[@crisisasp5396]

even if it turns out all this is horseshit, sjin has basically lost his career, no one is gonna hire him because of these allegations

[@xiuhnani6945]

According to M_C, a long-time mod who WAS INVOLVED in the investigations, police may be involved, he revealed this on discord and you can now view it on the subreddit. www.reddit.com/r/Yogscast/comments/crlft5/some_things_people_should_think_about_before_they/

[@zihenglao3591]

@@xiuhnani6945 last time I checked speaking to a minor wasn't illegal but maybe its different in the uk

[@xiuhnani6945]

@@zihenglao3591 Speaking, no, flirting with, most definitely.

[@xiuhnani6945]

@Sir Garde If mine: Believe what you want to, I'm just spreading awareness If op: yes

[@Blahsheep]

Sjin can stream solely and probably will make more money if he does so. He still has a fanbase and if he came back, he will be stronger than ever. I enjoyed him most when he was doing solo minecraft way back when with that tree mod. Sjin's farm. Away from all this drama. I think everyone would be happy.

[@Davidofsmeg]

It's interesting looking back on this as It was definitely the right call. Sjin may have given people good memories over the years and it's perfectly valid to still enjoy them but you have to face the consequences if you're guilty of any sexual misconduct.

[@ryanchapman99]

Simon's hardly ever on the main channel and now Sjin leaving. Content will never be as good as it was

[@CS-nq9sq]

Yeah tbh ttt sucks without him, he's been replaced by the spiffing Brit and he never even talks or jokes

[@ryanchapman99]

Cathal Swanton Sjin’s trolls and jokes were the best part of the videos, I’m less excited to watch their videos now. Won’t be as funny without him.

[@CS-nq9sq]

@@ryanchapman99 I agree. yogscast has lost it's comedian...

[@AlecazamAlecazam]

@@CS-nq9sq Yeah it's like when Sips kind of branched off I was like, well at least we have Sjin.

[@CS-nq9sq]

@@AlecazamAlecazam Duncan is the only one left i enjoy, lewis is great too, atleast i have sips' streams. the new TTT vids are just so bland

[@ninny65]

Yikes department, there's not gonna be any of them left by the end of the year at this rate

[@MindMessed]

SJIN FOUNDED THE CHILLUMINATI? Like what? Back when Chiliwowas was a thing on their MC series but they wanted to play in a GTA gang with fans. Losing him is losing the founding father!

[@whatisthepointofthis1]

MindMessed always remember, Lewis did this

[@ALittleMessi]

@@whatisthepointofthis1 Sjin did it to himself. 8 years of yogscast and he didn't think even innocent flirting would get him in trouble?

[@apeekintime]

Jeez this feels like 10 years ago, not just 4.5.

[@JordanHayesChannel]

The problem I have is if the Yogs have things in place to protect the community, they should also have stuff in place to protect the creators to stop this kind of situation happening in the first place. It really is a shame and i hope they put things in place to stop this happening again whether guilty or not.

[@ALittleMessi]

The thing in place to protect creators is the very same policy. It's pretty clear you shouldn't chat up people with this kind of relationship, what is there to gain for the huge risk? If the yogscast had covered it up they are betting on the future of the company

[@JordanHayesChannel]

@@ALittleMessi i never said they should cover it up, it should be bought to light as it is very wrong. However, clearly the current things in place are not effective enough and need to be improved. The creators should never be put in a situation where this situation becomes an option, for both the creators sake and communities sake. After all they are only human and unfourtunately mankind is easily swayed but its own worth and gain. Especially when thrust into a position of influence, the actions they have commited are completely wrong but they should never have been given the oppurtunity to use their influence in this way or atleast something should be inplace to reduce the risk e.g. Courses that teach people how to handle this influence and how to deal with certain situations etc. Ofcourse i agree there is always the persons nature to consider after all free will is inevitable.

[@ALittleMessi]

@@JordanHayesChannel they've hired an independent HR firm for this reason. There's not much you can do to prevent two people contacting each other though. You would think the threat of ruining your career and reputation would dissuade anyone from doing stupid things, but it doesn't seem to

[@JordanHayesChannel]

@@ALittleMessi Indeed. I think they all should have been given training/classes though to deal with being an influencer. That may have reduced the risk.

[@gyrhan]

@@JordanHayesChannel Mega late reply but Lewis said they’re doing exactly that, creating a training scheme for all content creators that join the Yogscast (as well as offering it externally too)

[@lukemarriott306]

0:09 what did tom and harry?

[@wittyreviewer]

"Turns out, he washed his dick"

[@lnfreeman]

@@wittyreviewer wtf does that mean tho?

[@wittyreviewer]

@@lnfreeman It's a Chilluminati joke, "Ew, you wash your dick? Gross". Because to wash it you'd have to touch it, you see, and that's weird.

[@jameskowanko7574]

lnfreeman I think it’s an inside joke

[@tobymacintyre7861]

Its a joke

[@bobthenob.]

Sips and Simon are gonna be the last remaining members someday

[@Long-Horse]

and simon will still be in none of the videos

[@lukatomas9465]

@@Long-Horse What about Yogscast Cyan?

[@WildBluntHickok]

I notice you didn't say Lewis and SImon will be the last remaining members. Lack of confidence in Lewis "PR Nightmare" Brindley?

[@carmikeiscray1804]

I felt like I was gonna cry watching this video, they just seemed so sad. I liked sjin and I don’t know if it’s been proven that the accusations are true but I remember Lewis saying it’s a lot more complicated than innocent of guilty.

[@MikMoen]

More often than not the accusations are false. Many of these are attempts to destroy a Man's livelihood, and it usually succeeds, because if people don't relent to the accuser they'll face the community Mob, no matter the actual truth. Once the accusation was made his fate was sealed.

[@yakobsoulstorm5187]

@@MikMoenThis is untrue. Sjin waa accused previously and Lewis dismissed them out of hand. Nothing came of it and most people are unaware of it occurring. Then, accusations were raised again, except this time the evidence was far more damning. The fact that Bouphe and Gee both came out against Sjin is what tipped the scales for me. They were relatively new members with small followings. I find it extremely unlikely they would put their careers in such a precarious position just for clout. Add to that MightyClaw’s insight and you’ve got a cut and dry case. Sjin’s exit was likely to prevent further drama, possibly as a sign of goodwill towards his former friends, by causing as little fuss as possible. It is not a signifier of his guilt or innocence.

[@ballinbalgruuf8198]

The thing I really hate about this situation is how every one on reddit and twitter and even former employees of the yogscast all judge guilty until proven innocent. Same way with turps and that other guy. For me tweets and reddit can not say guilty. Only the Court can. And until theres no final ruling (like the termination dispute with that one guy), I would still consider them innocent. Until a competent court proves otherwise.

[@monicajohnson2536]

Have you heard of uhhh not siding with someone just because you personally like them? Also it’s not only about legality. If you’re a creep to fans, get lost 👍

[@lqvd]

He has been proven guilty by Lewis - who is a close friend of Sjin and wouldn’t just ask him to leave without hard evidence - in private. We don’t deserve to know the full extent of the evidence, which Lewis said he’d received more of via email. We’ve got to trust that the evidence was substantial and warranted Sjin to leave. It’s a terrible situation and we all feel bad but we just need to be able to trust the Yogs management now.

[@ballinbalgruuf8198]

Both of you need to follow the legal definition of guilty. Lewis never confirmed any allegation, and he has no authority to do so. If the court rules guilty then by all means, grab the torches and pitchforks and lynch the fucking perverts. But for now while the case is pending before a court, lets all be civilized and educated.

[@haley3144]

The yogscast is a company - and people can be let go for doing things which aren’t necessarily illegal. If someone consistently shows up late for work, they wont go to court but they could be fired. Sjin broke code of conduct - not the law, so it is up to the yogscast to decide how they want to handle it, not a court. Lewis and the admin are the ones who have reviewed the evidence and allegations thoroughly - people contacted Lewis directly to protect their own privacy. The yogs went so far as to even hire an outside HR department to avoid bias. So no, Sjin wasnt guilty until innocent, they proved him guilty and made a decision based on that.

[@20tigerpaw20]

@@monicajohnson2536 have you heard of this thing called "justice"? Yaknow, the reason we don't behead people for thinking they did something they didn't.

[@Foggovor]

It’s funny to look back at these old videos. I don’t think referring to Sjin as “our boy” would be seen as acceptable now that Bouphe and Gee have come forward. Of course, they were only confirming what’s been known for years, but for some people, it took that.

[@placeholdernameisplacehold7671]

Confirming what? No one has said anything except sjin when he said it was "inappropriate to talk to community members". Just "actions", "tried it on", "unnaceptable behaviour". All just weasel words. No actual allegations at all.

[@Foggovor]

@@placeholdernameisplacehold7671 For me, it's the screenshots of the email conversation between an accuser and Kim that surfaced years ago (I want to say 2016? Maybe earlier) in which she references that Sjin had already been privately, internally given slaps on the wrist and warnings by that point.

[@placeholdernameisplacehold7671]

​@@Foggovor Yes, we already knew about that in 2015, 2016. Sjin was caught talking to fans and this was against the rules and was told he was not allowed to do that. Lewis made a public statement defending him at the time. I remember that. Even then, accuser of what? These email screenshots have seemingly been purged from the internet. I cannot find anything that truly accuses sjin of anything at all. They all refer to "allegations", "inappropriate behaviour", some nebulous things he has done. For all their dislike of sjin, they do seem to go above and beyond to protect him by not actually saying it. Lewis has never, ever used the words sexual harassment when talking about sjin for instance.

[@dmitrixallo7072]

Throwback to when Lewis stood up for Sjin 2/3 years ago, now he completely turned on him from what he said. I feel bad for Sjin, especially that nothing is proven that he did wrong (if he did talk to an underage girl then yeah true that sucks, but it didn’t escalate). “Chatting privately with fans”, imagine if you had a huge fan base (a lot bigger than yogscast) and then literally most people you come across will be a fan of yours, it’s fucking ridiculous to fire him when nothing is set in stone/proven. Edit: Oh, sort Hannah’s case out maybe? When she doxxed a fucking 11 year old.

[@Archtechnician]

She actually did that?

[@dmitrixallo7072]

Saoirse del Tufo nonetheless, it was an 11 year old and different opinions on a topic isn’t exactly a justification for doxxing

[@saoirsedeltufo7436]

Dmitri Xallo how did she dox him? Also it wasn’t a mere ‘difference of opinion’ he was harassing and abusing a trans woman

[@Blahsheep]

@@Archtechnician she did. Not sure where the article is. Just search hannah harrases a fan or something.

[@Archtechnician]

@@Blahsheep Was hidden a bit thx to recent shit thats gone on but yep there it is yogpetshame.tumblr.com/post/144381955943/any-thoughts-on-hannah-giving-out-the-name-of-a

[@rsb2699]

They should have made Sjin fake his own death, then he would become a legend like Michael Jackson

[@footywooty2]

This comment deserves more attention

[@Reragi]

then what happens when people find out Sjin is alive? then this shit would've blown over like Hiroshima v2

[@Sion67Productions]

This is a tragic time

[@raeannswancy9747]

I thought it said Simon, Tom, Harry, and skin leaving yogscast, I was about to cry

[@Reragi]

Would be a full on repeat of what happened to Jeremy Clarkson and the BBC if that happened

[@benmoreno5882]

I fucking love harrys reaction at the end lmfao hes just like "ye fuck sjin were the trifold now" its sad to see so many of the yogs go but his reaction killed me

[@alunbeynon]

Sjin was my favourite member, its like a piece of me had died )-;

[@geraldvargas3406]

Man, it's understandable and the right thing, but it's a shame we lost some funnies

[@Blahsheep]

Yep, we sure lost some furries... Oh uh yeah.

[@basiliskboy17]

Sjin's own fault.

[@MysticXOstrich]

Sjin being gone just makes me want to die more now

[@greenteamoon]

Mystic xOstrich fucking relatable damn

[@jatovic3542]

Mystic xOstrich the coronavirus gods have heard your call good sir

[@upsidedownpeon9984]

@@jatovic3542 and they strike with less than a fraction of a percent to kill you!

[@placeholdernameisplacehold7671]

Well, he's risen from the dead now if you want to go watch him

[@StrixWar]

Well sjin was the last person I was watching in the yogcast

[@chocholatebunny]

The hair from Simon's head moved to Tom's beard

[@TheKsalad]

Watching these fans going nuts is funny. They were so quick to laugh at Caff but are now doing a complete 180 on Sjin. Just because he has fans doesn't make him untouchable or his actions any less reprehensible. Sjin even left on his own and wasnt booted out like Caff was. The yogscast is a business now and fuckups like Yogsquest and Ridgedog might seem like jokes but it was a huge wakeup call for them to start fixing themselves.

[@iain9757]

And i think because of what Caff did it’s now a no nonsense policy - like everyone knew about Sjin but it was brushed under the rug and now it’s all out

[@cameronpark3591]

Caff got booted because he didn't communicate he just shut down they had no choice I'm sure he would also have been given the same treatment as Turps and Sjin if he didn't refuse to communicate.

[@Blahsheep]

Because what caff did was much worse than what Sjin did. Okay so one person litters and another person beats someone up. Both crimes should fit the same punishment? Heck no.

[@declaringpond2276]

Imagine considering flinting with a fan on the same level as sexually harrasing co workers and underaged nudes

[@RunonTales]

Guys honeslty, can we not agree that the yogscast is filled woth wonderful people? I know Sjin was important to us all, but ot makes me sad to see his departure taint everyone's perspective of the yogs as a whole. Yogcon was great. Lewis is still great. Simon is still great. Ben is kind, Tom is chill, Sips is magnificant, Duncan is funny, Leo is lewd, Zylus is a charmer, etc etc. Everyone else are great and genuine people. If Sjin was your only source of entertainment, then I understand if you want to leave the yogscast veiwerbase, but please remember the good that still remains. Not all is lost or tainted.

[@herlastborn]

And they're always looking for new personalities to add to their network.

[@shanemorton773]

You forgot about ya bois hat films.

[@TyphlosionGirl]

For me, I still love the Yogscast, but I'm definitely not over the fact that I'll never be able to see Sjin troll them anymore. Like it seems like a small thing (and in the vastness of our world it probably is) but it's still a hard knock for me. Especially because he was old guard and I've been watching him for 8 years X'D. You're definitely right though, the yogs are still filled with wonderful people that I support ^-^

[@WildBluntHickok]

Huh huh. Huh huh. You said "taint".

[@ALittleMessi]

To be honest I'm kind of glad I stopped watching years ago. They were my first big step into KZbin when Minecraft came out, but the humour got repetitive and boring(for me). Now the ship seems to have sprung a few holes and may be sinking, and I can't imagine if I had watched this whole time. At least I can hold on to 100% positive memories of them all from the early days

[@HelenaOfDetroit]

The chiluminati was called that as a reference to sjins chili farm...

[@valeforedark]

Chill uminati ...to chill/illuminati

[@3Dusers]

uh no.

[@ChroNomadics]

@@3Dusers Yes it literally is, brain boy.

[@3Dusers]

@@ChroNomadics well i might be wrong and sjin has mentioned it did they mention it in one of the chilluminati streams? cause that feels like a far fetch

[@Reragi]

@@3Dusers i mean, their early logo was literally the illuminati with a chili in the middle. so yes.

[@lladerat]

They could have said more about him concidering the guy worked for almost 10 years with the yogs...

[@andrewstepanek8933]

You aren't very familiar with the Chilluminati, are you? This was the equivalent of a huge speech about how much he meant to them.

[@lladerat]

@@andrewstepanek8933 honestly im just too old for their humour, idont get it so i dont watch them, i think Simon has changed to worse with them, he was way funnier when he was with Lewis.

[@cursedgaraged5801]

This is something that has bothered me, Mighty_claw said in a screenshot that the evidence was "so bad we wouldn't want to see it" but then how come the only evidence anyone is seeing is the screenshots of Sjin flirting?

[@soliferi]

Is this mighty claw reliable in sane statements or just another modern sjw? Theres just too much unknown.

[@cursedgaraged5801]

@@soliferi yeah

[@Giblet12]

soliferi well they do claim to be gender neutral

[@cursedgaraged5801]

@@Giblet12 I have nothing against them it's just something that bothered me

[@saoirsedeltufo7436]

Victim privacy I’d assume. There’s no way they can show us the evidence, all parties deserve full privacy

[@geneprimbot9688]

This is Reminding me of slazo all over again...

[@YoXeV]

Yogscast has slowly been falling apart. Even good things must come to an end.

[@xiuhnani6945]

How does 3 people, 1 of which being a core member = THE END of the Yogscast. How is it that when Turps left it wasn't the end?

[@baconwizard]

Xiuhnan I Turps was putting together many things behind the scenes (especially YogCon which I’m sure he’s depressed to be taken out of last minute) and Sjin brought in more views than anyone else in the Yogscast, in a time where their views have steadily been going down over the years.

[@xiuhnani6945]

@@baconwizard You fail to see the point. Lewis said that things are going just fine without a CEO. I agree that Sjin was loved, but he's not the only one reeling in views... The Yogscast has survived worse times.

[@roberth4395]

@@xiuhnani6945 Sjin, Turps, Strippin, Teutron, Hannah, Kim, Simon, Sips, Pirion's hairline, Zoey, Simon. Dead channels: Zylush, Rythian, Zoey, Kim, Hannah (these were once main channels, except Zylush and Rythian rip boys and sry. You rock anyway, people just have bad taste. ) I like the new team as they are awsome, but I LOVE the old team and this is Yogscast no more. More like LewLew, the boys and the blob monster.

[@xiuhnani6945]

@@roberth4395 Right? But what I'm saying is that twitch is the real money cow.

[@Tovek]

This is still a nightmare.

[@TheOldBlackShuckyDog]

It’s not going to be the same without him. The whole of the Yogscast is just falling apart :(

[@GranMaj]

So thats why i didnt see sjin on some recent TTT's video. i know about his allegation, but i though he is only taking a break to cool things down.

[@ALittleMessi]

He has left indefinitely. Who knows what capacity he may come back in, if at all. It's likely he will be independent of the brand unless it all comes out to be false information

[@sidtheghostplays-5735]

#Bringbacksjin

[@zachw9065]

SidtheGhostPlays - they need time before he can come back. These are serious allegations and can’t be taken lightly

[@meepmeepiamasheep3693]

@@zachw9065 do you know the exact allegations by any chance?

[@Garlicke]

@@meepmeepiamasheep3693 more or less the exact same thing as turps, interacting with fans in inappropriate ways, which kinda breaks the "code of conduct" of the Yogscast if you will.

[@meepmeepiamasheep3693]

@@Garlicke thanks man 👍😊 just reading reddit stuff and its just a real shame

[@zachw9065]

Howffe thank you for answering when I didn’t lol I really appreciate it

[@Skydog1914]

God damnit. I clicked on this hoping this was a joke. Turps leaving stung, but this is another level entirely. Hopefully he's the last we'll lose to this whole debacle.

[@ALittleMessi]

He left before this. Maybe 2 weeks ago?

[@Skydog1914]

@@ALittleMessi I know now, but I hadn't been keeping up with all this.

[@nexusvoid367]

If they just fully explained what he did so I'd know if he fucked up or if he was thrown out for the sake of "image" :P Also... dunno, kinda weird to have the Chilluminati without Sjin...

[@tonyravioli1982]

Well it's most likely image regardless, if it was not then they would have no reason not to show the evidence.

[@potatopossum1]

The stream was actually good. I forgot he wasn't there.

[@kilaus]

fucking hell i cant take this.The tekkit series was how i foumd yogscast i would literally run home to see if they posted no matter what ,bit by bit everything is tearing apart.Kim,sjin and turps(idk man i know turps did some bad things but i cant actually figure out wht happened to sjin was there evidence or somethin can someone tell me) Omg i miss the simple days , voltz ,gmod build (building a spaceship was the best) yoglabs.

[@seojaepark]

Well with the confirmation from other yogs especially from close friends like Tom and Barry, it does seem like Sjin did something bad, they tried to help him and he didn't accept it.

[@Captain_p0wer]

Im sorry i know this is a sensitive situation, but here are my personal feelings. Whatever he did was not good, but i dont want him to be gone because of it. Id rather him get a slap on the wrist and maybe get kicked out for a month, but i dont want him gone forever. The entire community loves sjin. We will never be ok with him being gone

[@zaclem011]

Would you still say that if even half the accusations about him are true? You can't just ignore things like that for the sake of your entertainment.

[@dark_messiah8183]

Captain_p0wer under good authority what he did was bad. Authority such as mods who have worked with the yogs for almost a decade and who originally broke the Caff story, and whom has stated that Sjins evils are on par with Caff. Let go. I know it hurts. But even the good people often turn out to be monsters.

[@jamesrothery4013]

@@dark_messiah8183 idk seems the mods have a zero tolerance policy now. until i see actual evidence im going to do the decent thing and believe innocent until proven guilty

[@zaclem011]

@@jamesrothery4013 they've let accusations go before, and no fans were vocally calling for him to leave before all this. If it was truly nothing, they would have just let it go, and no one would have cared. It must be something that would be damaging to them if they ignored it. Something that even they couldn't ignore this time is imagine. I'm not saying go out of your way to crucify him, but don't act like they didn't have some reason to take action that they know would cause backlash from the fans.

[@jamesrothery4013]

@@zaclem011 i think the only reason this is happening is because of caff and turps happening so recently and with all the accusations towards sjin in the past he was an easy target, i think turps and caff has made them adopt a zero tolerance policy for all this stuff and sjin knowing this decided it was better to leave the company. just like everyone else you are speculating about what could have happened instead of looking at what we know happened, two consenting adults chatted which resulted in one becoming uncomfortable and instead of blocking him they reported it to the mods and lewis. thats all we know and its all we should judge, right now all he has done is break code of conduct, which is why it annoys me when people go out of their way to call him a pedo and the mods who keep saying they have proof but refuse to give it are telling fans to harass sjin if he were ever to return to youtube.

[@monmonstartv5159]

I watched Sjin since the Tekkit days and YogsQuest, damn... feels like I've lost a good friend.

[@tobi79777]

How are hatfilms safe? I love those boiks but theyre content is very edgy

[@xenorenaus7198]

Edgy content != Abuser. There are some. But it's not a guarentee.

[@yamsoung]

*their

[@acethemartyr2591]

how is lewis safe... he is a walking PR disaster and yet he does my boy sjin like this?? Fuck this

[@WildBluntHickok]

@@acethemartyr2591 Once again, the problem (if one exists) has nothing to do with on-camera behavior.

[@Bossmanplayzzz]

Damn there leaving wtf that yougscast was my childhood

[@wick7201]

Leaving? You mean left?

[@Q8Bart]

When you become funnier then Lewis, you fired from Yogscast

[@herbie.e]

Well then folks

[@ojomaze7777]

ah, yes, hello fellow just-revisited-this-video-because-Sjin-is-trying-to-return youtube user!

[@herbie.e]

@@ojomaze7777 you know it.

[@countravid3768]

What did sjin do?

[@roberth4395]

He was baited by a troll who started to flirt with him.

[@1988ryan1]

Many, many girls including underage fans reported his behavior over the years about him being inappropriate over social media and in person, even trying to take them back to his hotel at conventions etc, His ex came forward saying really bad stuff he supposedly did meeting with underage fans and she got ignored, and can't remember who but a yogs memeber said on a video about a bag with underwear in at the office that he tried stealing(can't remember exactly), and most of these incidents had screenshots of conversations or evidence to suggest he did. But people at the yogscast ignored it for years on end and passed it off as rumours and just fake stories without really looking into them. Then because of the caffcast situation they investigated everyone at the yogscast using a private investigator, but Sjin refused to be investigated and instantly quit and gave up his whole career and income so he could keep whatever he did wrong hidden, But the yogscast mods on reddit that looked into and interacted with fans claims said it really was worse than it looked on the surface and he was a "disturbed monster".

[@obsidianwatch1351]

This is going to be a hard time for everything sjin was apart of for the first month or so veiws will begin to drop as people watched becuase he keeped it from being dull and plain. Next we will begin to see streams take a hit because sjin was in just about all of them. So the yogscast will lose out a lot on views and money so sponsorships wont mean anything if you don't have views to back them. So this will really hurt the Yogscast bad if they don't have a plan soon. This video talks about this

[@obsidianwatch1351]

The video is by this channel and it explains my point tords the end

[@andyjay4746]

Never trust anyone without a beard.

[@TeutonicViking]

Fucking hell! I read it as all four leaving the yogscast...

[@Foggovor]

It says a lot that Barry still calls him “our boy.” Don’t know about the other two, but he clearly doesn’t grasp the seriousness of the situation. And please don’t flame me, I’m just making an observation....

[@xiuhnani6945]

Barry was close with Sjin, he probably feels very betrayed atm.

[@Foggovor]

Xiuhnan I By Sjin? Or Lewis and whoever else decided to remove him? I mean, I understand that you don’t immediately stop being someone’s friend just because you find out they’ve done a bad thing, and I understand that he’ll be nostalgic about Sjin/upset he’s been forced out for a long time after this, but ultimately he should know a platform can’t be given to someone who would abuse it. If I were he Yogscast, I would be taking every possible opportunity to remind people that what happened was unacceptable and they should always come forward with their stories.

[@GameZedd01]

Didn't Sjij found the Chilluminati? Or was it a group effort? If he found it theres some irony in that I guess

[@KINGofGUNS]

Unless they show proof (they can censor names), firing him was such a big mistake.

[@abijo5052]

Why do we deserve proof? This is an internal matter, probably also with the police involved. Sharing evidence would be illegal if there was an ongoing police investigation

[@xiuhnani6945]

www.reddit.com/r/Yogscast/comments/crlft5/some_things_people_should_think_about_before_they/

[@kingtracyy7775]

He didn't get fired, he stepped down.

[@theninkyn0nk463]

Can someone explain what he actually did? I keep hearing that he was rude to people or being inappropriate or something but still don't know what it was

[@Zahn-rad]

I've just had to unsubscribe from all their channels asides from Sjin. None of this had to happen. Lewis opened that case up of his own voalition. From what I can tell, there wasn't any evidence against Sjin. Yogscast had decided to remove Sjin the moment they announced an investigation. There was no fair trial. No chance for Sjin to defend himself. Sjin was one of the best and oldest foundations of the Yogscast, he helped build up their legacy and what does he get for it? Told he can't attend the first ever YogCon and then fired. Just imagine for a moment you built a legacy and told you can't attend. Would it really have been too much trouble to open it up AFTER Yogcon? So even if Sjin was to be removed he could at least make his last moments enjoyable? This is why I'll never support things like the #MeToo movement. All it takes is an allegation that doesn't need to be proven true. Personally I don't think Sjin ever will return to content making anymore. And if he does, him leaving the Yogscast will be enough "evidence" for people to attack him like the rapid animals these progressives are. Oh no! Some people felt "unsafe" around Sjin. Well I feel unsafe about so many other people, that doesn't give me the right to destroy careers and legacies. I wish the Yogscast well, but I won't particularly care if they suddenly crashed and lost everything, because I've already lost everything I cared about in them. Not just Sjin, but respect.

[@sebastiandouse]

The problem with those "evidence" is that their easily faked with someone just needing two different phones that they name one of them Paul Sykes and fake a conversation. Also the way the conversations go seems very suspicious to me like the one you quoted and the ones where he contemplates if he should be talking to someone underaged. They just make no sense because why would he bring the topic up himself when knowing it is wrong and incriminating himself in just one comment right off the bat? If it was a real conversation it would be the victim tells him their age then he would try to make a joke or comment to try and change the the subject then later he goes back to hitting on them.

[@Nif-kun]

The thing is, Sjin left because there is truth on those evidences. And Lewis wouldn't just throw him out because of some false contraversy. Even though it hurts my heart knowing Sjin isn't a part of Yogscast anymore, we just gotta accept the truth. Also, it's not like he's dead. He's alive and will one point be back to trolling.

[@dylankelly2024]

@@Nif-kun trolling who when he's on his own?

[@Nif-kun]

@@dylankelly2024 The Yogscast family aren't the only people in his life. He'll meet new others in his new journey. Plus, I'm sure they're not cutting ties with them as friends. Chances of him recording or streaming with one of them is still likely.

[@StrodoTheThird]

Caff was the only one who got kicked out of the yogscast. Sjin and Turps both decided to leave the yogscast, they weren't kicked out.

[@UKGameShock]

When the people need to leave for good pr but at the same time the people who made the yogscast what it is have to go which also ruins it... I used to watch 7 years ago i stopped when I went to college but yogscast was a part of my childhood the sips and sjin combo being involved in series like the tekkit series as well as his trolls and stuff in series are all good memories but the yogscast is dying and no where near how I remembered it. The channel reminds me of how The Creatures started to die if anyone remebers or knows about that. Wouldn't surprise me if before long they downgrade and start filming/streaming from a house because they cant afford the rent in "yogtowers" they used to hit around 1 million views or just short per upload they now sit at like 100k-200k per upload which isn't bad at all but most small KZbinrs who are just them and 1 editor just manage on that idk how a big building with a lot of rent cost and a bunch of staff who need paying can be supported safely for on that. I know they get money in other ways but if you think when they got yogtowers it was back when they was successful and doing really well it can only mean as things have been going down hill it's getting more of a struggle.

[@clarachambers783]

it's insane how many people are simply sad they don't get to watch sjin anymore, not sad about the numerous girls he took advantage of and that he turned out to be a shitbag. I'm not disappointed he's gone, I feel betrayed.

[@realwizard435]

@@myleg... buddy you are ignoring the inappropriate power dynamic that comes from a fan and content creator dynamic. Also what the fuck are you saying? You have no idea if what went down was consensual or not but you say you believe it was as all women love sex with a famous person? You can’t make assumptions like that.

[@realwizard435]

@@myleg... p.s. shifting the blame of the situation onto the victim is fucked up on many levels, I hope you see that

[@clarachambers783]

@@myleg... the girls were taken advantage of. I don't understand how you can disagree with that, in the literal sense and in multiple ways. No he didn't rape anybody, but that doesn't excuse his behaviour which was at best shitty, gross and perverse and at worst predatory. Its ridiculous the loyalties people develop for people they don't even know over the internet. Sjin was in many ways a stranger to the audience, it baffles me that when he has admitted to his disgusting behaviour and been disbanded there are still people out there crying that they can't watch him anymore. Grow the fuck up and move on.

[@myleg...]

"victim". The only reason why people have courtship affairs with the rich/famous are to obtain some of the riches/fame. That's him victimizing them? That's they're victimizing him. What happened? Failed on both accounts; thus, ruined his accounts and future accounts. That's just bully sociology and economics 101. They don't do what I want so I tear them down to my level. If he had raped somebody, that would be a whole different story. He didn't. (so far as we know) We don't know the facts. Condemning anybody without the full objective facts is wrong. I'm just trying to put it from his possible point of view, and from my past experience

[@realwizard435]

@@myleg... just shush mate

[@ohno8398]

So, any known police investigation on the three cases? Though Sjin seems to be the most innocent among them, if guilty at all, who the frick even knows at this point.

[@S4NlTYS]

this being in my recommended and reading some of the comments in denial is a big lul

[@N3rd_House]

These videos keep popping up on my YuuTube recs lately, but I'm still confused as to what exactly Sjin did that caused him to decide to leave?

[@declaringpond2276]

Tos said no fan interaction, sjin had a fan interaction like 3 years ago, and because of what calf did an hr department forced lewis to enforce tos

[@ALittleMessi]

Go to the subreddit you will find the answers that we know

[@placeholdernameisplacehold7671]

@@ALittleMessi I've looked at the subreddit and all it is is just comments by yogs that sjin did some "actions" and "unnaceptable behaviour". There's nothing specific at all.

[@atrumluminarium]

Been scrolling through the comments here, I hope Sjin's actions were worth disappointing his fans, sabotaging his own career, and risking a brush up with the law. And in case any other Yogscast members ever come across this lonely comment, keep your noses clean guys. It's not worth it.

[@montpc259]

If you were actually scrolling through these comments you'd see people refuting his case and defending him. This is a witch hunt against Sjin, welcome to the modern society.

[@MyGtaboy]

Dam that was a little cold on their part

[@redsphinx113]

:) smileyface

[@jrod8099]

What did sjin do to get himself kicked?

[@rellikx7519]

Aw, I was kinda hoping they replaced him with Lydia. She's got great chemistry with Tom and Simon, she's pretty chill, and most importantly no one can complain about the replacement without being called sexist :) I know replacing people sucks, but without new blood I feel it's just a constant nagging reminder of what once was.

[@tylerp5259]

Rellikx I was thinking Bouphe. She’s usually in there with them anyways, or at least when they play GTA.

[@Become-Eggplant]

Sjin will probably be back once things blow over

[@bwood6337]

He might make solo content on his own channel but unless the accusations are completely resolved then it’s highly unlikely that he’ll be back to the yogscast.

[@elise205]

@@bwood6337 Even then, as far as I know (but this is fourth-hand knowledge), Sjin was emotionally attacked by some of the Yogscast (not the big leagues like LewLew, Simon, Ben, Duncan, Sips and basically the main TTT/GTA cast) and some hurtful things must have been said. If it's true, then I don't think he even wants to go back to the Yogscast. And I wouldn't blame him for it, I know what it's like to be ostracised from a group because of the false accusations of a small few people. But again, it's distant rumours that I'm basing this on. I'm probably completely wrong here.

[@googleaccount4471]

lol

[@Become-Eggplant]

After fully looking into this whole situation, this didn't age well.

[@gregorB92]

Not letting him be at yogcon was a disgrace. Shame on them. Could of opened the investigation after yogcon. He worked so hard all these years, he was one of the most important members and in return they just throw him out like garbage

[@cameronpark3591]

That's a stupid view to have honestly I'm unsure how the fans have come to think like this.

[@Giblet12]

Cameron Park idiot...