Cologne to Hamburg on Deutsche Bahn's Classic IC Service

[@anthonywarrener1881]

Great video, and the classic DB Inter City trains are very comfortable. I note your service went via Wuppertal, but your introductory map showed the route via Düsseldorf and Essen ! No matter, for both routes are full of interest. Many thanks.

[@johncrwarner]

I prefer doing the Wuppertal route as there are less stops and I thought it was weird that he had chosen the Düsseldorf Essen route when there was likely the Wuppertal one.

[@indusibeeinflussung]

6:55 : As someone that commutes between Solingen and Cologne daily, I can tell you that these waggons of EETC are still there. :)

[@olasola1013]

11:46 SJ also purchased 3 ARkimmbz 288, which will be used for the SJ Euronight service once their refurbishment is complete in the near future.

[@bockwurcht7573]

Unfortunately, it is very difficult to get vehicle registrations in Denmark, and the seated cars also took ages

[@olasola1013]

@@bockwurcht7573 It’s funny and sad how SJ struggled to get certification for their couchettes and seated carriages, while Snälltåget ran no issue with the exact same classes of carriages.

[@bockwurcht7573]

@@olasola1013 No, the SJ has sleeping cars from Germany, the Snälltagèt only has seated and couchette cars. The RDC is the only company in Europe that is allowed to transport sleeping cars through Denmark and currently operates for the SJ

[@markoobid2005]

@@olasola1013 the couchettes were already certified from the times DB-CNL used them on Copenhagen - München/Prague/Zürich routes. SJ struggled with seating and sleeping cars only.

[@buzzukfiftythree]

Great video Thibault, many thanks. What a shame that so many dining cars have been phased out. Pleased that SBB in Switzerland have included them in newer rolling stock. It’s a great experience eating at speed.

[@Olaf-Lingen2023]

The Osnabrueck Hbf is also very old. ANd one of the few remaining "Crossing Stations", meaning the Lines from north to south (Hamburg-Bremen-Osnabrueck-Muenster etc.) and the East-WEst-Lines (From Berlin to Amsterdam for example) are crossing exactly at this Station. It was opened in 1895.

[@fredericus82]

My Hometown 🤩

[@rjsieder]

My very first DB experience included a short leg on one of these, an Amsterdam-Berlin IC that I entered in Hanover. This was in December, '22. I wasn't supposed to be on it. I flew into Frankfurt from San Francisco, only to find my train from the airport to Wolfsburg was canceled. The DB folks were helpful and gave me an alternate routing starting in Frankfurt Hbf. The first leg of that was late arriving, so I missed my connection in Hanover. The IC came in 15 minutes after I arrived in Hanover but was showing it was sold out except for 1st class, which required a reservation. I had a 1st class ticket, so I got on anyway and found the last seat in one of the compartment coaches. I figured if they had a problem with me being on that train, they would put me off at the next stop, which was my final destination anyway, so I was pretty safe. If someone came along claiming my seat, I'd just stand in the vestibule for the 30 minutes it took to get to Wolfsburg. Now I know such cancellations and delays are more typical than not, but that was an eventful first time experience with DB. The folks in the ticket office at the airport were quite helpful though, as have others I've talked to around the system.

[@cooltwittertag]

They are in fact less typical than not and people like to really exaggerate it. Still sucks that was you first experience tho

[@JediTev]

I remember riding those IC trains all over Germany when i was stationed there from 89 to 91. I had a sit down dinner in one of those cars. It was probably the best meal I've ever had on a train. Its too bad those trains are gone. They used have brochures you could take, unfortunately I lost the ones i had saved.

[@bananenmusli2769]

This train still runs as a regional train between Nuremberg and Munich

[@johnmehaffey9953]

I love koln banhof, wow showing off I am, my wife and I had a lovely holiday in cologne and used the station quite a lot fond memories of being looked after by DB when our train was delayed, I actually can remember when all the trains ran on time going back 40 plus years ago though, going to enjoy this one thibault 😊 ps did you see my lock on the bridge😊

[@scottyerkes1867]

Nice nostalgia ride!! Thanks for sharing Thibault🥰👍👍👌👌🚊🚊

[@senorsoupe]

These old DB IC coaches are finding a new home in Bulgaria as their new Intercity coaxhes. I rode on one a few months ago between Sofia and Plovdiv

[@himbourbanist]

this is good to hear. The coaches really look to be in excellent shape still. It wouldn't surprise me if they had quite some time left before needing refurbishment.

[@senorsoupe]

@@himbourbanist They were alright. Definetly felt a bit dated inside and they were a bit ratty in places but compared to the old East German coaches that are still widely in use in BG they are definitely an upgrade

[@miktr7664]

@@himbourbanist a lot of them were refurbished already a few years ago (in the 2010s I believe) through the ICmod programme so I'd hope they're in decent shape. Not sure how in-depth the refurbishment was though, since the main interior changes were new seats and not much else

[@expressrailyoutube]

En août 2024 j'ai testé l'IC DB entre Berlin et Deventer (NL) et franchement c'est super bien le siège est confortable en seconde, j'adore.

[@stephan6998]

Reason for phasing out these Bistro cars is, as far as I know, the old school doors these cars have, so-called Drehfalttüren, but I don't know the issue with that. DB museum in Koblenz has also purchased at least one of these cars.

[@olasola1013]

They also previously had BordRestaurants in the IC consists, but those were phased out because their extra long length made them prone to derailing in push-pull configurations.

[@christianbr7253]

My understanding is that the issue with these doors was that you had to pull or push quite strongly for them to open, which may have been challenging for elderly passengers or those with limited mobility.

[@_rewe2887]

​@@christianbr7253 Yeah but thats a kinda dumb reason considering that the automatic doors from the neighbouring carriages are right next to these doors. Maybe they just didn't want to say that the Bordbistro is no longer profitable or something.

[@olasola1013]

@@_rewe2887 DB still runs the BordRestaurants on the ICEs despite them not earning profit.

[@mijos3]

@@olasola1013Though DB needs to maintain the IC dining carriages by itself, whereas the ICE has them built in from beginning and is probably getting a better supply of replacement parts and a more reliable service, as the ARkimmbz, despite being modernized in 2016, was only getting older and older.

[@Letsgobyland]

Classic is always good!

[@13squier]

7:28 nice view of the Wuppertaler Schwebebahn! I made a trip to Wuppertal in 2011 just to ride that system.

[@JBM425]

That is a “bucket list” item for me!

[@markoobid2005]

The ex-EETC coaches are - and were in 2021 too - now owned by the MSM Group company based in Cologne. The company operates them in seasonal motorail trains under the brand name "Urlaubs Express" from Hamburg and Düsseldorf to Lörrach, München, Innsbruck and Villach. Maybe a good idea for you to catch a ride on UEx in those special ex-TUI Ferien Express couchette cars?

[@tomosmerivale6297]

Recently did Hamburg to Köln on one of these sets and they are so comfortable.

[@13squier]

3:38 The lady puffing a cigarette in the middle of the platform is the most German part of this trip lol

[@ethancampbell6076]

3:14 Godly sound 🔥🔥🔥

[@NJ50409]

What a nice train. When I was younger I traveled with my dad with these trains and we were everytime sitting in the dining car, im so sad the've been cicked out of the fleet of Deutsche Bahn.

[@dennisud]

It's too bad they did take out those combo dining cars. Still a great video. Also Don't forget to see Classy Whales trip on Morocco's train system.

[@Uaaas-22]

Most old ICs still in use have a sektion where they split into 2 ICs like the 2082-2085 IC which splits in Augsburg and one part is driving to berchtesgaden and one is going to Oberstdorf. (not right now cause the Signal Box needs some repair) or they have sektion where a Diesel engine is used like the ICs to Westerland, Gera and Oberstdorf and a few are in use cause they cross borders (i don´t know why they don´t use an ICE for Berlin-Amsterdam)

[@UnnormaI]

They will use the new ICE-L for the Amsterdam-Berlin route.

[@Uaaas-22]

@UnnormaI god damn it. I loved that train.

[@UnnormaI]

The coaches have gotten old and their age is noticable. Mainly due to the AC units breaking down.

[@Uaaas-22]

@@UnnormaI i know the IC1 Trains are old but i have so many good memories with them. The Doors are also often broken.

[@jonhigginson4096]

I had to check when you filmed this, for a few moments I was quite perturbed at the return of the mask wearing in Germany. I actually miss the old pacers in the UK with their bangs and rattles and the draughts blowing through the open windows.

[@greenrower]

Hey, you should check the map in the beginning cause theres a little mistake. The Footage shows the route via Wuppertal and Hagen towards Dortmund and not via Düsseldorf, Duisburg, Essen and Bochum to Dortmund.

[@miradavid993]

covid was a time of our lives thanks for sharing

[@hsimpson0539]

4:40 the route shown isn't correct. It says you went via Düsseldorf and Essen, but you obviously went via Wuppertal, as the announcement says in 5:25

[@AndreEckert]

Lucky you. The Intercity 1 Trains are super rare now 😁👍

[@Lubelski83]

Nice train👍🖐️🍺

[@sunaryonoyono3794]

Nice video , mantap 👍. Whoosh Whoosh ,,, Yesssssssssssssssss.

[@nickmorgan1690]

Those windows are so big!! I wish we had those here in the states.

[@Anderten1989]

I know this coaches from the time it was an interregio. At this time it had green fabric seats.

[@miktr7664]

I believe some of the Bistros even kept their (1st class, so red) InterRegio seating and weird round benches in the dining area until being retired since not all of them were refurbished

[@cherylsemrau7100]

Well done.

[@Br120orientrot]

The EETC Coaches are still in Cologne Deutzerfeld. :)

[@scr3tchy]

some of the long distance IC like the Amsterdam Berlin route are getting replaced by the ICE L(Talgo230) sets supposedly next year but who knows when its coming

[@Zenpookie]

Good afternoon :) *Puts on train engineer cap* Choo Chooo 🚂

[@Christin5554]

7:03 that is my home town. At 7:11 is the first ever Bayer plant.

[@Rodoeht12345]

SJ has bought three old unrefurbished BordBistro cars for use in the EuroNight service, but they are undergoing refurbishment as we speak so we don't know yet, as of dec 2024, when they will enter service

[@rezaalan3991]

Great trip. I think if the occupation is great, actually bord bistro should be exist until today on classic train in DB. I hope we have similar train like this to reduce locomotive movement for changing position, but sadly all of rolling stock in my country isn't designed for push pull operations.

[@himbourbanist]

interesting to see the consist of this train. I thought the original ICE trains were sets with a distinct ICE power-car. It looked like this one had a Vectron (? - not good with European locomotives) locomotive pushing the set instead. Is this a common configuration for these older sets? Regardless these IC1 sets still look very good. I was impressed by the interior of the car that you were in, it still looked very modern and comfortable. Very cool trains

[@13squier]

This is an Intercity (IC) train, not Intercity Express (ICE). This category of service has traditionally been loco-hauled. The locomotive is a BR 101 which were built in the 1990s.

[@fhummels7233]

The Arkimmbz are not allowed to use in ICs since last year, because the doors are "dangerous". Its the opinion of the German railway safety authority

[@Uwe_Ludolf]

I prefer IC1 over ICE4 because I prefer loco hauled trains, no noise of motors. There also is (no idea for the timetable of 2025) an IC from Osnabrück to Hamburg that's going via Bremen but is using a freight track. It is faster than ICE.

[@gianlorenzodimauro6200]

Concordo pienamente...mi piacciono più i treni con locomotiva e carrozza semipilota alla fine ..sono i migliori

[@brianedelstein1271]

I'm unable to click on the pop-up to your brother's video at 6:40.... can you please provide a link to it? ✌️

[@SimplyRailway]

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[@brianedelstein1271]

​@@SimplyRailway Merci! 😊

[@redriverwave]

If there is ever a will to do something like this in America, I would like to be alive to see it. Although, I will probably be in my eighties. 😂

[@TheAdrianFlo]

More toilet reviews please!!!!!❤❤❤

[@JonathanButler-zd8qt]

Why did they stop the dining cars? Budget cuts by the train owners?

[@olasola1013]

The doors were difficult to open, an issue for those with limited mobility or elderly people. Also, they’re almost the oldest carriages in the fleet

[@miktr7664]

@@olasola1013 I think it's fair to say that the doors were a great excuse to remove the traditionally unprofitable and also aging dining cars. Are they really that old though? I thought those were built in the 90s (albeit out of parts of other coaches) for InterRegio

[@olasola1013]

@miktr7664 They are actually about 50 years old, and DB continues to run its BordRestaurants and BordBistros on ICEs despite them losing money.

[@miktr7664]

@@olasola1013 I checked, the first ARkimbz were built in 1989, the last ones in the 2000s. Also, removing Bistro/Restaurant from ICE would be really bad publicity while on IC, they can do it kinda quietly since the entire category of IC is being phased out. Also, you can see how the Bistro cars got smaller over the years: ICE 1 and 2 had full dining car, ICE 3 and 4 only have a half one even though they're just as long. ICE L will have a full one, but the carriages are way shorter. They're trying to minimise the food service to reduce cost while avoiding bad publicity from removing it entirely.

[@s125ish]

Do these still run apart from Berlin to Amsterdam?

[@Martin-on2pp]

Could itserve as a base for night trains? After a renovation offcourse

[@gazwj]

9:55 dont put your feet on seats… 🙄🙄🙄

[@Anderten1989]

jepp disgusting

[@paradoxparade1]

You also shouldn't "reserve" a beach chair by putting a towel on it at 7am but Germans still do it...

[@damcoentertainment3956]

@@paradoxparade1 You should, its very smart.

[@paradoxparade1]

@@damcoentertainment3956 No, it's rude and selfish.

[@Anderten1989]

@@paradoxparade1 british also

[@abdenourmokrane8178]

Can you do a review on the xpt

[@wolezaj]

door still manual😁

[@360Nomad]

What's the food like? Same as ICE trains?

[@CoraVanLincolnius]

the bord bistro car has been removed from service back in dec '23 so you wont find a bistro anymore on IC trains

[@lausimeyer6558]

It was the same. All DB long distance trains with a Bistro, 1stclass service at your seat or restaurant have exactly the same menue.

[@ceaabe]

@@lausimeyer6558 IC Bistro was always a reduced service, compared to a full dining car.

[@360Nomad]

@@lausimeyer6558 Was the food any good? Or is it basic small cafe type of stuff?

[@ThirdTech]

Classic IC Service > any other ICE service

[@juulvlog]

Hello hello, I am looking for BISTRO

[@Floppius_13]

Too bad these coaches won't be seen in the NL when the ICE-L comes

[@haxti0075]

IC1 es war einmal

[@alexpolyakov5934]

Seeing military boarding a train reminds me of Israel; is Western Germany as unsafe these days? The video is great though, thank you ❤

[@kkkjkk641]

They just take the train to travel from their base to home and vice versa for the weekend. When they are in uniform, the ride is free for them. Has nothing to do with safety...they are not on duty when they take the train despite the uniform.

[@hpak35]

А что все в масках это старое видео

[@raileon]

yes, from 2021.

[@hilldoggydogg635]

VMax? Danke/Thanks

[@huliganalter6095]

False! Alone in a compartment is the best you can do and have, once i bought a very cheap ticket from Berlin to Karlsruhe. The Con of this cheap ticket? The train starts it journey at 3:37 in the morning and I will arrive at my destination at around 10 in the morning but I got the share me a compartment with a stranger and so we both had the same idea. We both made ourselves comfortable over all 3 seats and lay down and slept. So to go alone in a compartment is even better then with a group.

[@thijsdejong7355]

So funny, we were in Cologne a couple of hours ago.

[@ringo7561]

I don't like those couchette cars...do they consider those first class? It did on my Czech train to Prague...I think it's a joke...its like flying coach if you have 6 people in there

[@christerman]

Lots of masks?

[@Lucaa1904]

The old sleeper cars in cologne are still there. And they‘re looking horrible.

[@204wras]

Evrything is better than ICE4

[@gianlorenzodimauro6200]

Ancora con queste inutili mascherine? Mi fanno innervosire perché offendono l'intelligenza altrui

[@michaelsmith9590]

hhhhh

[@Kazdah1]

Why don't you go to Japan and review Japanese Train system?

[@michaelsmith9590]

kkkk

[@411ian]

why the face masks?

[@senorsoupe]

Thibault probably filmed this a few years ago when they were still mandatory. He sometimes does that

[@sinadiatta9905]

The video was filmed in 2021

[@thomastroub4563]

Can you just eliminate the toilet reviews in the future? Please??? We have seen way too many of them 😉

[@kkkjkk641]

At least we don't have to smell them ;-)

[@cleroyster2610]

Why the masks????

[@gerogyzurkov2259]

Check the video description.

[@cleroyster2610]

Thank you much.

[@EElgar1857]

I spent quite a few happy hours on these, and I'm very sorry to see them go. 🥲