DOFReality M2 Motion Platform Review

[@nate1593]

This was reccomend for me. How refreshing to hear someone talk clearly and calmly. Subscribed.

[@simracinggarage3026]

Thank you for the sub!

[@VikingElitePC]

I have been waiting a long time for a review on this, your the man. Thank you Barry!!

[@jonberg469]

Don't buy it.

[@VikingElitePC]

@@jonberg469 my buddy got thr commercial one and sold it after 2 weeks

[@jonberg469]

@@VikingElitePC lol. Yeah total waste of money. I can't even sell mine. One of my motors broke within 2 months and they never sent me a replacement.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

How come this channel is not banned for repeatedly uploading pornography to youtube?

[@Mikey6048]

You keep that filthy mouth of yours busy making videos you Pleb...... :)

[@TheBallisticSerb]

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I've been following too, but not as for long - however my wallet is very light too

[@reptilexcq2]

Thank you Michael Douglas.

[@labdosgames]

Hahahahahahahaha

[@4DModding]

Bought a DOF Reality P3 and am super happy with it. Mounted my triple screens right to the rig and it makes a huge difference.

[@simracinggarage3026]

I have an H3 in the queue for a review.

[@BobFernando]

@@simracinggarage3026 niiiice. H3 or P3 is what I think I will get.. IF you deem them worthy of a punt. Looking forwards to your reviews.

[@asimchohan]

I bought a P3 a few months back too. I found in Simtools, create an advanced profile and change motor type from "linear" to "rotational", motion is smoother. In basic and standard profiles, i think default motor type is linear.

[@mofa9999]

Asim Chohan, yeah, the new simtools with the advanced option is really genius. HUGE difference with and without it on my P3.

[@GMCRaptor]

Just bought a DOF P3 and it rocks. Smooth ,easy setup and unbelievably fun not to mention addictive. Build quality isn’t Rolls Royce but as an engineer I can’t see anything that is likely to fail. Fantastic product

[@elfitty6600]

So well explained I might actually build one

[@vukos]

Just another great, in-depth review. I look forward to the H3 review as well

[@Jasonhalls]

I do love your reviews. Very detailed and you go to such effort. This is thew only ADULT in depth sim racing channel on you tube. Keep up the good work mate.

[@boston19801]

Excellent review

[@elmalloc]

Thank you for this review, seems like next level racing motion platform is better.

[@slackerZ1]

Also 3x the price so obviously it would be better...

[@Bassalicious]

Freaking Berry at it again with the best reviews available on youtube hands down.

[@alirezaghaderi]

Excellent Video Man...Thanks

[@d3tach3d]

Nice looking Supermoto :D

[@horaziohorazio]

Would be very interesting, if the M2P is actually the same but with better motors or if it feels a little better in general

[@jakaloper]

Hey man, thanks for the review. I already own the SRS Shakers and some button boxes. I have a couple questions if you have the answers. :) 1-Does it gets tiring in longs oval where where the turns are banked? 2-Did you try with the shakers at the same time? Does it make using the shakers useless? 3-Did you try in VR? Does it tend to make you sick more than without the motion platform? Does it feel realistic?

[@smallfathimhim]

oh, Barry already testing on SC2 with Asher wireless wheel

[@richysracing9524]

Im a sheet metal fabricator and 1.5mm box section is well a nuff with the supports being so small, i would say that would last a while with the right maintenance, them bearings would go first id say or the worm gear main thread

[@Andy.1101]

Maybe it's just me, but this thing doesn't seem to deliver a good feedback. It looks like some weight transfers are just completely ignored while the others are exaggerated and very jerky. In the NLR V3 review the movements of the platform where absolutely in sync with what the car was doing and here it's not the case.

[@TekNeil]

Is it just me, or is that left motor way unresponsive compared to the right? Seems to not like 'dropping' as much as it should...

[@jonberg469]

It is. Mine was the same way. Complete junk. Its in my closet collecting dust.

[@TekNeil]

@@jonberg469 Ah man, that's a shame to hear.

[@jespersjborg2518]

Why did i not se all this answers before i got the M2 my self :-(

[@jonberg469]

@@jespersjborg2518 sorry bro. Its junk. Go buy a simxperience 2 dof instead. Its a game changer.

[@jespersjborg2518]

@@jonberg469 I all ready got the M2 :-((

[@JKay14]

Another great review Big Baz! Keep ‘em coming. I’ll see you on the track!

[@PeterDabkowski]

Your channel is by far the best in this category. As an engineer, this is exactly what I was looking for!

[@bluex610]

Nice review and great stuff like always. Think you can review the DOF H2 or H3? Thanks abunch!

[@grizzly9960]

Could you do a video on a budget build for a racing sim? Different options on quality sturdy parts rather than flimsy toy like parts. What to avoid. I am just getting into sim racing and dont want to waste a bunch of money on trial and error. When I search for stuff I am always going to be directed to mainstream parts and most sold I know thats not always of quality and good function. I am also new to the channel and have been watching all your older videos. Thank you for the long indepth videos. Keep up the good work. I am learing a lot.

[@Gorilla_Jones]

Join a Facebook high end Sim racing discussion group. Don't worry, you won't ever again buy plastic toys.

[@grizzly9960]

@@Gorilla_Jones Sorry I dont use social media sites aside from youtube. But thanks for the heads up. Yes once you feel the real deal its hard to want anything else. The stuff sold in mainstream stores are so toy like, that plastic hallow sound is something i really want to get rid of.

[@thirtytwoforty]

The 220lb pilot weight limit is very disheartening. Being 6' 260lbs leaves me with NO options in this market. :(

[@Toutvids]

Me as well, sim racing friend.

[@pacifikballa]

Glad I passed on this and got the NLR V3. The movements on the M2 just look too mechanical...doesn’t move anywhere near as smooth as the V3. Awesome review as always Barry! 👍

[@jespersjborg2518]

That was a good choise, I just got the M2 and there is a lot of slack in the gearboks, most in the left one. This is also when it is powerd on : -( so my seat is very loose and i can move it about 2.5 cm from side to side and the same forwards og backwards. The right side can move about half. Dof are trying to help, but i think that the gearboks are made all to loose.

[@tehgusbus2716]

how much did you get it for

[@dompeha540]

Sim Racing Bob Ross

[@gamingerald5682]

I’m pretty sure, you’re using the Simucube 2 here with the Ascher Racing wireless wheel, can’ t wait for that review tbh, and if it will replace your Bodnar. Thanks for all the great reviews so far, even if my wallet doesnt agree with me.

[@horaziohorazio]

I was waiting exactely for that review thanks a lot Barry

[@randyyi2000]

The thing with this unit is the shipping cost. The unit seems bare enough to fit the electronics into the unit itself instead of the separate control box. The shipping cost of over $200 on a $750-$900 is way to high.

[@JuiceSkyy]

If DOF reality could make a retail version like this and keep it compact enough that it could fit under the seating area of the P1 or EVO plus keep it at a fairly competitive price comparison to the M2 then they can take my money, I'm not that interested in traction loss, Heave in a 3DOF motion is what iam looking at heres the video kzbin.info/www/bejne/m17QfaCafsRsoq8

[@Alex-gi2ob]

Just awful motion platform. I would pay to do not have it. Imagine you are playing and somebody shaking your chair. Or it's like real car with not fixed seat.

[@simracinggarage3026]

I agree it could be much better. I have been told they are upgrading the motors and implementing a damping solution moving forward. Might want to contact DOFReality for upgrade info and policy.

[@jchief40]

Would like to see a review of the DOFReality P6!

[@simracinggarage3026]

I do have an H6 in the review queue. Will be a while though.

[@toml.2606]

I'm interested in the H3. Any plans to review this one?

[@Krilin84]

Really enjoying all your reviews. Any chance you'll be upgrading this DOF reality rig to include more degrees of freedom in the future? Curious about the 3dof as well as the 6dof! Thanks for your works

[@simracinggarage3026]

Yes, H2, H3, and H6 are in the works. Will be a while though.

[@Krilin84]

@@simracinggarage3026 thanks for the reply. Very cool!

[@TechShizzleRacing]

I have a P6 and love it! Simtools is a PIA, and I can’t wait for SRS to update their software to be P6/H6 compatible.

[@gmerariu]

@@TechShizzleRacing coming soon...😃

[@TechShizzleRacing]

@@gmerariu I know, Gilbert :) You know who to call when it's time to beta test!

[@randyyi2000]

The interesting thing about this unit is that it has a support for Elite dangerous. The NLR motion V3 only has a joystick function for it.

[@SeddersShots]

madmax how does it support elite dangerous with no telemetry data?

[@milesonewheelwinter]

I've always been a tremendous fan of your reviews as well as your general enthusiasm. I am strongly considering this motion platform do you know how well it would work with the next level racing ultimate cockpit? Thank you brother keep it up

[@mjh4892]

I built my starter rig based on some research. Parts worked out (accidentally) but other components were terrible. I’m basing ALL my upgrades on your reviews. They are so amazingly thorough. I can’t thank you enough.

[@harithmazri3921]

16:37 motor driver

[@martyjohnston700]

When David Attenborough passes I want Barry Roland as the next Narrator.

[@alexportugal1212]

Quality content as usual

[@vatch07075]

Brilliant. Your reviews are just brilliant.

[@TheElvenKeys]

every motion rig is *kinda* 6 DOF. Pitch also covers heave and surge, and roll covers yaw and sway. just to a lesser effect.

[@JoakimGulbrandsen]

Would love to see you test out either their H6 or P6. The M2 do look promising, tho.

[@iseeq72]

I still looks as if the re-centering after a turn is too choppy... that's what bothers me the most with my P3

[@malikmartin]

Same with my M2

[@tehgusbus2716]

@@malikmartin how do you like the m2

[@nigelhoward9057]

I bought the pro version MP2 and thought i was a bit jerky so i went to B@q [home depo] and bought 20mt of bungee rope and wrapped it around frame and motion frame both ends and now it pretty smooth. to try to work out what springs to get would have being impossible. but bungee has 18kg of strength so keep wrapping or un wrapping to your desire. and tie wrap it up and looks very tidy.

[@nigelhoward9057]

No but can take some if you wish to see it ?

[@KotLarry]

@@nigelhoward9057 Yes i wuold see photos too

[@mofa9999]

Yes some photos please

[@tehgusbus2716]

Do you have some pics

[@ChristianEriksson83]

Your intros always puts a smile on my face. :D That intro frase with your radio voice and that small grin is just awesome :D Also really professional reviews that everyone from a beginner to a pro can enjoy. Keep up the awesome work! Would love a "my favourite" video or "great buys at different price points" video. Like a summary viceo. Thank you!

[@ronaldwoofer5024]

and you cant do any DIY for this kind of thing because its impossible to find any actuators that can do the task. same with DIY Radar... impossible

[@antoniomatozo1457]

hey friend. can you tell me where the power comes from the shield board that controls the motors. Yours sincerely; Antonio Matozo (Brazil). 

[@SquiggyWigginz]

I love you Sim Racing Bob Ross!!!

[@arnolduk123]

I wondered what Michael Douglas was upto, guess he got tired of making movies.😆 wow, you even speak like him.

[@JnAPhotography]

From this review and through others and some reading it seems to me that this product (and possibly the others in their portfolio) offer great potential in terms of hardware but are kind of let down by the software. With some dampening the unit itself seems like it would perform near the level of the NLR MP V3 hardware-wise. The critical part though is how the motion commands are calculated and executed and this is where the DOF Reality seems to be lagging behind. The jerkiness, and how the motion looks unrefined, and mechanical is probably a combination of the Arduino boards, their firmware and how those are used by Simtools/SRS. Another important hit from the software angle is the lack of VR motion compensation. DOF Reality currently seems to be relying on third-party software or hardware hacks to do VR motion compensation. The competition provides this out of the box. It's actually quite straightforward to implement as the system can easily calculate the position/orientation offset (given seat and height parameters). Probably the only challenging part is to integrate it into Stream VR, etc. Nevertheless, it's a big missed opportunity. I think I will have to go with the NLR one, because of the above, which sucks because I usually prefer to support the brave, ambitious products like these which offer great value.

[@ronsmith5572]

You need to take a look at and do a review also on GTR simulator's new GTM Motion Simulator and see how it compares to the DOF Reality motion simulator and or the Next Level Motion Simulator . I believe the GTM motion simulator is also a full motion simulator not just a seat mover at or around the same price point as the next level motion simulator . I believe it is the lowest price full motion simulator on the market .

[@radioproffi]

Unfortunately GTM Motion Simulator is a simple seat mover with the longer arms = less motion range. Unlike DOF Reality H and P models GTM is not a full motion platform. so let's compare apples to apples.

[@ronsmith5572]

@@radioproffi Regardless it being a full motion simulator or not it should still be reviewed and compared to other seat movers like the DOFReality M2 and the Next level as another option of motion simulators available out on the market . If you think your'er so much better what are you worried about if someone does a comparison review or a review of other motion platform options that are out there for the consumer to look at or consider purchasing ?. And as to your "So lets compare apples to apples " remark , i found that to be more of a derogatory attack at me than anything else . Any other remarks you want to make towards me ?

[@sebastienbouche7069]

@@ronsmith5572 you are being aggressive, dear sir, not them.You wrote: 'I believe the GTM motion simulator is also a full motion simulator not just a seat mover at or around the same price point as the next level motion simulator . I believe it is the lowest price full motion simulator on the market .' They just corrected you. But I'd also like to see the different seat movers compared one to the other ^^ peace!

[@ronsmith5572]

@@sebastienbouche7069 In an earlier add of the GTR's GTM motion simulator it said full motion simulator ,as i looked at at the add to GTM motion simulator add now it does not say full motion simulator on it . That's why i said full motion simulator . As to their correction to that , that was not an issue to me or a problem for me their added remark was . Their correction had nothing to do it .

[@thirtytwoforty]

How is the compatibility between the UI and Content Manager for Assetto Corsa?

[@optical10]

@Sim Racing Garage i have the DOFReality P3 with traction, the traction 3rd motor IMHO makes all the difference to how i drive in sims, go for traction if you can. Also the simtools software is an alternative to the SRS software with support in the xsimulator.net forum .

[@DMAX_DIY]

Ok Barry. I've watched a lot of your videos and yep, ya go me.. finally subscribed.. I'm a DIY motion sim guy. (Built by myself- Arduino and all- not bought) but want to compare what I make to what Yall have. Nice review too. Actually used your advice on my V3 pedals. So Keep up the great work my friend! DMAX motion sim channel

[@ronaldwoofer5024]

looks like this system clips signal to do its power adjustment... very disappointing

[@Popesta]

Doesnt make sense moving independently from the wheel. IE wheel is stationary

[@shaggyego]

The fact that just the seat moves kinda reminds me of Jim Carey driving the land rover defender at the beginning of ace Ventura 2 lol

[@theafchefstable8284]

This says it can be used with Xbox. Would you still need to use a computer for the software.. Or is there an app on xbox that lets you do this

[@simucube]

Excellent review again, Barry. Thanks!

[@DK6MP]

Thanks for the Great Video ( again ) - i order today the MP2 Model with the New Italian Motors ! is ok for the Wallet of a (every time the last in Race) Daddy with two Kids

[@victorqn]

DK6MP hey! Does the platform arrived?? What do you think about the platform?? I’m deciding between the m2 or the h2..

[@DK6MP]

@@victorqn Hello yes i get them Some Weeks Ago , iam Happy with that Tool, You can Watch my Video acout it in my Chanel ! ( use Auto Subtittle Please )

[@jacelaparan9571]

Hi Barry, do you think it is possible to mount at Simlab GT1 Evo?

[@simracinggarage3026]

Yes, but it would raise your seating position.

[@jonberg469]

Don't do it. I have one and it's junk. Switched to mounting a simxperience 2 dof to my p1. Works brilliantly

[@DreamstoRealityAutomotiveTV]

Does it feel awkward as the wheel and pedal stay stationary

[@RobBob555]

Are you Michael Douglas? 🧐😁

[@josephzee]

Very cheap solution, I like it for that reason.

[@jwl3004]

I'm just getting into sim racing and have watched a lot of sim review channels and this channel is light years ahead of anyone else. Great job!!!!

[@mookywilson1054]

I do love your reviews. Very detailed and you go to such effort. amazing to watch. thanks for all the hard work

[@davidwolfman2485]

Great review!!! Just order de m2 platform. Did you find what kind of sping would you install to smooth out the pitch???

[@jonberg469]

Goodluck. Mine was junk. Sitting in the closet collecting dust. Wasted 1000 dollars. My simxperence set up blows the doors off it.

[@ericMT]

Jon Berg Just sell it. Someone will want it.

[@isaacespapa1]

Gene Wilder? The romance novelist?

[@racelabtv]

top-noch review! I subbed, because i'm amazed of the details u put in. I also have a P3 model from the same company. Check it out, and you'll see it in real action too. Cheers!

[@simracinggarage3026]

Thanks for the sub! I have an H3 in the queue to be reviewed in the near future.

[@racelabtv]

@@simracinggarage3026 Great! The only issue I have is the sudden effect when you come out of the turns. It moves back to the center just way too fast. Not so realistic imo. Hope they'll have some fixes in the future. I guess it'll only take some software alignments. (I'm using simlabs, maybe your tool has some smoothing(?) in that sense)

[@kaankorkmaz8180]

How does the platform pull data from the game?

[@MaxJacuzzi]

How does it compare to the next level racing V3? The NLR is quite more expensive, does the price tag justify the differences - due to the review the main difference is the (missing) dampering?

[@guillaumerinfret3252]

What would happen if the chair was NOT one-piece with the seat attached to the moving rig and the back-support fixed? I bet that would eliminate the movement of the shoulders/arms vs the steering wheel (which does happen in real-life) while still giving the important information to your butt about the lateral and longitudinal G-Forces. I bet that would create a much better illusion of G-Forces, especially with a VR-headset

[@estebangenaizir9191]

I want to thank you, for the quality of your tutorials, they are excellent.

[@drive2survivex]

Does anyone know what bracket be used to mount the RS9 seat to the M2? I haven't come across any

[@stevanardilaacero4785]

por favor ayudame con el codigo de arduino para controlar 2 motores llego hasta la parte donde los motores muestran la grafica pero solo me funciona con un motor

[@harveynoakes9498]

Will this work with an xbox. Thanks

[@daemon3spade]

This is maximum 100kgs. what if you are 105kg? Is the max on paper not the actual maximum weight limit? What if you are using heavier seat?

[@daemon3spade]

Im considering the MS2 seat mover but not so sure since im 100kg and MS2 pilot load is only 80kg

[@darenlim1584]

Can aluminum extrusion wheel deck uprights and deck be used in place of the 20mm tubing? Could some 4080 extrusion be used ?

[@tng6628]

This is what a review should be like. Thank you!

[@geogan2]

Should build some sort of L-mount to attach the steering wheel directly to chair base. It is not realistic for the distance from steering wheel to change on pitch going up/down hills. Would be easy enough to do and make it much better.

[@allan_myartworks999]

HOM MUCH IT COST , TO BUY THIS STUFF SIR !!!

[@pastorchasallan8800]

I noticed that you mounted the two motors and mounting frame toward the back of the M2 but on the H 2 rig the motors are mounted toward the front of the seat. Would that make any difference in how well they work or perform? Thanks "The racing Pastor"

[@dearsaadqazi807]

Which motor driver is used? Anyone knows about model number?

[@khrysto03able]

Does it have a vibration or only movement?

[@simracinggarage3026]

Only movement.

[@khrysto03able]

Could you recommand me a model that does vibrate? Or vibrate and movement

[@stoicllc2352]

Did you do videos for cnet?

[@QuietOC]

Moving links to the inner position should reduce the effect of the gear lash.

[@andyholmes9485]

Hi Barry. How do you believe this compares with the NLR v3. Different leagues I assume. Thanks.

[@sebastienbouche7069]

Yeah! I've got the same question actually (even though you 'almost' answered it when you've shown and mentionned the NLR dampeners in the end of your review!): 900 vs 3000 € - is it worth the price tag?

[@simracinggarage3026]

The V3 is a more refined, or polished, motion platform. Smoother motion and more comprehensive GUI for tuning. But it cost a lot more. Only you can decide if it is worth it.

[@andyholmes9485]

@@simracinggarage3026 Thanks Barry. NLR v3 for me. Ordered 😊

[@sebastienbouche7069]

Thank you, Barry. Still the guys from DOFreality imply the software you used was causing the lack of smoothness. Were you able to test it with the other software and confirm their assertion?

[@simracinggarage3026]

@@sebastienbouche7069 SimTools was a bit smoother. Still, as I said in the review, I would like to see some sort of physical damping solution applied here. Someone commented here that they are using lengths of bungee cord to good effect.

[@TechWizMaster]

This combined with a buttkicker gamer 2 and a Rift S...i got the last 2 :p

[@Spinelli__]

I wish you reviewed the MP2. It's DOFReality'a highest-end seat mover and is $1200 instead of the M2's $900. From every video I've seen of DOFReality seat-movers (the little amount there are), the movements not only seem laggy but as if they don't have fidelity and accuracy. It'a like they either fully move or don't move at all. The movements also don't seem to be able to handle the depth and fidelity of all sorts of different g-forces, body movements, bumps, etc. The movements seem very vague and sort-of generic or gimmicky whereas the NLM v3 seems much more truly connected to the car's physics/telemetry.

[@jonberg469]

Its junk. I have one in my closet. Soent months trying to get it to feel ok.

[@Spinelli__]

@@jonberg469 Ya, I'm glad I went with the NLR MP v3. It feels even better than it looks. The DOFReality seat-movers' performance doesn't look close to the NLR from videos I've seen.

[@stew3132]

did you have to mod/diy it to put that gtomega sit. I have the RS-XL is the sliders are about 2-3 smaller in width

[@joeytoonz2754]

I’m 25 lbs over the limit. Would that be an issue ?

[@slackerZ1]

Does this have good effects for going over the kerbs? I mostly race formula cars so if I hit the kerbs going out does it have a nice effect? Sorry if this is worded terribly. Thanks for the reviews

[@syedmuhammadfirdaus6497]

7:00 angle sensor

[@Schona110]

I’d watch this guy pull apart a blender and it would still be fascinating.

[@MarceloTezza]

Barry, has fanatec sent you the new direct drive wheels yet? I think this might be the jump i want to do, just hope it works with ps5 too without any issues. Thanks for best youtube reviews about the sim racing accessories.

[@simracinggarage3026]

No word from Fanatec in a while. The SimPit did a long review on the DD2 I think. May want to check that out.

[@MarceloTezza]

@@simracinggarage3026 i will, thank you.

[@Mikey6048]

@@MarceloTezza I have a DD2 and I can honestly say, it's amazing. The Podium software isn't out yet, which I'm sure will make it even better. It's right on par with its competitors, but slightly edging them in the ease of use and lack of having a million wires. It's quite honestly the easiest to use DD system currently. And I've played with just about all of them. It doesn't beat the Bodner on feedback details. But it's really close..... And we are still waiting for the software for it.

[@MarceloTezza]

@@Mikey6048 thank you very much, i will still wait for Barry's review! Pinches me why fanatec hasnt sent him yet, maybe because of the podium software but still.

[@Mikey6048]

@@MarceloTezza The Podium DD2 sold out and they had to keep some stock for replacement. Fanatec had a rough roll out with this DD system. A lot more complicated than anticipated so they couldn't/wouldn't release review versions until demand was fulfilled.

[@MAMAMA341]

What the diff between this platform and the Next level v3?

[@TacticalAssaultOfficial]

Great video thanks for sharing

[@Mh.luqmankhan]

It was a marvellous review by a true professional. Capt. Imran Saeed (Ocean Simulators)