You know it's a good day when Barry releases a video... Even better when it features our ASR 6 and the new industry-leading D-BOX Generation 5 Haptic System. Let's goooo!
@advancedsimracing2 жыл бұрын
@@spiritchaser4337 We have yet to test their latest models. We'll be have them side by side for a true comparison. PT-Actuator looks good on paper, while D-BOX performs on spec at maximum load. Care to share more about your experience? Latency is everything when it comes to motion systems, if you aren't sub 50ms, it brings no use whatsoever to the experience, especially for professional training.
@barryconvex4162 жыл бұрын
@@advancedsimracing Dbox uses "canned" FX rather than telemetry correct? What are the pros/cons vs a telemetry system? Will you carry competitor products like Sigma Integrale?
@advancedsimracing2 жыл бұрын
@@barryconvex416 D-BOX is the only haptics / motion company that works with the studios to get the proper telemetry from the game to its controller via their SDK package. They use raw, real-time telemetry. It's built-into the games and curated by the game developpers, rather than "sniffed" out. We have no plans to carry any other system at this time simply based on the fact that all our attempts to compare have been inconclusive unfortunately. Hearing Sigma is making amazing progress however. Seems we are due for another test run!
@barryconvex4162 жыл бұрын
@@advancedsimracing I'm interested in motion but the D-Box is quite expensive. A comparable set from Sigma seems to offer a lot of value. Unfortunately it's not easy to have a test run of multiple systems before making a decision. Thanks for the background info on the technical aspects of D-Box!
@grayzedynamics2 жыл бұрын
The rig and dbox look great. I really want one but as Barry stated, the Sigma looks great too.
@tronicgr2 жыл бұрын
I wonder who's great idea was to include the servo drive electronics, in the vibration path... better be aerospace quality. Lol
@netlawman20012 жыл бұрын
Ah, I understand the question now that I see who posted it! 😂 There servo controllers have been “on-board the rig” for years now. I have G3 and I no issues. Let’s see what happens .
@Ootlander2 жыл бұрын
Excellent timing, looking at picking up an ASR6 soon.
@advancedsimracing2 жыл бұрын
Wise choice. I'm a little biased, but wise choice. 🙃
@FULLNinja692 жыл бұрын
I have an ASR6 and couldn't be happier. Wish I would have bought it as my first rig. Feels like a solid block of granite that will last a lifetime.
@coops56172 жыл бұрын
@@advancedsimracing I have a NLR V3 motion platform....know you're biased 😆, but what will be my experience if I opt for the ASR6 vs the P1X which has specialised V3 mounting brackets - crazy job & demanding family duties, so heads up : DIY may be a challenge 🙈
@coops56172 жыл бұрын
@@advancedsimracing Risk of another "biased"response:))....if I do indeed go with the new ASR6, any thoughts on adding the new NLR motion plus platform to my existing NLR V3 platform - effectively at a combined cost of $7k or cash-out on a pretty good offer for my existing V3 (@ a $300 haircut/loss) and then purchasing the new Dbox gen 5 system @~$7k? Btw, is there any deal if I buy the latter from ASR's site directly?
@netlawman20012 жыл бұрын
Really need too update the titles you use to test. For any actuator motion system, testing ACC and DR2 are a must 😀
@gorraksmashskull2 жыл бұрын
Yes, but he does "the lucas trucks" and "the rally car"😆
@CHROME-COLOSSUS2 жыл бұрын
Your delivery of technical insight and practical overview is much appreciated. 👍
@seanchristophersynthesizer69997 ай бұрын
Thank you for such a well presented and thorough review. :)
@stefanwehinger1235 Жыл бұрын
Barry, thank you for your hard work and the detailed videos. One thing I don't understand: is it "more realistic" to have the monitors mounted to the moving rig or to keep it fixed on the floor while the rig moves? Thank you
@jasgill7121 Жыл бұрын
Good question!
@motorstock10 Жыл бұрын
Sim software is already simulating car movement in the screen. Motion rig and motion screens will probably have more movement that you need to feel. Besides of that, you would be adding more weight to your rig and your motion system will need handle a higher load. On top of that, your monitors and their electronics were not created to vibrate, and 3 monitor config will be most likely misaligned easily. Imho
@johnambers2 жыл бұрын
I would like to see a ranking of similar motion systems. SR1 vs Dbox vs Ptactuators etc. I can never tell what is best. You seem to like most. What is your favorite system? Thanks
@nathankennedy45562 жыл бұрын
Add sigma integrale to that list
@markkovalcson72432 жыл бұрын
My take D-Box, Sigma Integrale, Pt Actuators, SFX-100, SR1 NLR has one now too, and they have the easiest to configure motion software of any out there, not sure how it stacks up.
@johnambers2 жыл бұрын
@@markkovalcson7243 I do get the impression D-Box is best. At least the price is getting better.
@L_Emir_de_Passy2 жыл бұрын
@@johnambers I'd be curious to know what makes you think so. Apart from ease of setup, i can only list features that make the dbox system less capable than pt or eracing lab/sfx150....and at a significantly higher price.
@johnambers2 жыл бұрын
@@L_Emir_de_Passy I very well could be wrong and I know the D-Box is premium priced but from what I have read and watched is that they firstly run on most every game with ease of setup, secondly, they have some of the best subtle feelings along with dynamic range. I have heard the motor vibration is next level. They are quieter than a lot of other actuators from what I gather, which is big for me. I do know their response is slower but from all reviews, it doesn't seem to be a problem. At $7000 they are not bad as they used to be. What do you think is the best high-end actuator? I am looking to build a system soon.
@burger11132 жыл бұрын
Hmm makes me think they should maybe design a system where the actuator portion of the device is at the bottom and acts as the feet of a sim setup, which will cut the "sprung mass" of the rig down quite a bit. Not having the weight of 4 of these heavy duty devices added to the rig would make a big difference, I'd imagine.
@1984kylea Жыл бұрын
I have the ASR 4 using this exactly same configuration and it's excellent, couldn't recommend it more.
@patrickmurray1246 Жыл бұрын
Did you also look at the sigma integrale dk2/2+ system? I’m looking at that and the dbox g5 which is more expensive but has more game/sim integration and of course is a larger company.
@lukebraddford32872 жыл бұрын
I’d have to deep dive the differences between G3 and G5 dbox units. Honestly fantastic video, finished my whole large coffee watching it. Thanks! Edit: nevermind g5 is cheaper
@advancedsimracing2 жыл бұрын
Short version... Exact same specs and performance, sleeker form factor with G5, about 2K$ cheaper.
@lukebraddford32872 жыл бұрын
@@advancedsimracing wow that’s all great news thank you.
@bobbaganush17 Жыл бұрын
love the VRS shortcut on the desktop!!!!
@Clubturbo_tuning Жыл бұрын
Hello, Barry. I follow your reviews for a long time and like it very much. Great job and thank you. I consider buying a motion platform and not sure which one to choose. PT-actuator, Cubic of D-box. I would like to hear your expert opinion: which one of them is the most realistic and immersive? Thank you
@fetB Жыл бұрын
you're asking the wrong questions
@donovanjanus72522 жыл бұрын
Still debating between the gen 5 and an Dk2+. The sigma guys are 30 minutes down the road so I’d like to support them. But I would like the best available. They seem awfully close in performance though.
@advancedsimracing2 жыл бұрын
Best way to know is to give them both a try. Are you close Burbank? We have two rigs with D-BOX available for testing (invite-only). Please do let me know if I can help arrange a visit 😁
@RobertoOrtis2 жыл бұрын
Please let me where you are located in Miami and for how much you are selling dbox systems
@advancedsimracing2 жыл бұрын
@@RobertoOrtis We should have a serup running sometime this fall at an exotic and luxury dealership called The Collection.
@RobertoOrtis2 жыл бұрын
@@advancedsimracing awesome! I hope to be there to try it out.
@damiengvideos43372 жыл бұрын
Love my Gen 5! I was worried about EMI but has not been a problem at all even with VR.
@lukebraddford32872 жыл бұрын
What rig are you using it with?
@damiengvideos43372 жыл бұрын
@@lukebraddford3287 SimLab P1X
@matta27382 жыл бұрын
EMI on modern hardware should not exist. If it does than its faulty/poorly designed and should not be on the market.
@lukebraddford32872 жыл бұрын
@@damiengvideos4337 thanks. I have simlab gt evo and wonder how it would work with it
@damiengvideos43372 жыл бұрын
@@lukebraddford3287 should work just fine. Make sure to get the mounts Advanced Sim Racing sells…they attach to the underside of the profile.
@abbeyparker2 жыл бұрын
For me 3k less than the G3 is still out of any simracer budget… with 7k you can built full rig with triples direct drive and motion. For me simrig sr1 are the best affordable motion system for us normal sim racers. Tried and tested.
@mariusloseth2 жыл бұрын
Dk2+ or Dbox G5 ? What do you recomend?
@davidtidbury9395 Жыл бұрын
Would you recommend the motion plus platform front and rear?
@ducted Жыл бұрын
I'm missing a review from Barry. Anyway I found a weeks ago a good offer at Amazon and bought two units (front and rear). I hope I didn't a mistake. I'm still waiting for them to arrive.
@jl.43172 жыл бұрын
Thank you Barry!
@madssssan2 жыл бұрын
Are you going to review the Logitech G PRO Racing Wheel ? We need a good review from somebody that is not paid by Logitech ;)
@jl.43172 жыл бұрын
Barry, please could you get your hands on and review a Simcraft APEX 6? I realize this is far too expensive for most of us but it’s good to dream and shoot for the stars!
@lay1net2 жыл бұрын
I spy a LabRadar in the background, have you been doing load development?
@TOBI-sr4mo8 ай бұрын
hi! u tested a lof of motion systems - can u compare them and highlight a best of them?
@101mattais Жыл бұрын
Does anyone know how long a d-box or any actuator system would last?
@Flowracingmotorsport2 жыл бұрын
Are you planning to test the new Simagic Alpha U ?
@seanchristophersynthesizer69996 ай бұрын
What Rally sim was he playing at 1:28:27?
@RenegadeFPV2 жыл бұрын
Hello sir , I have a TR8 pro sim rig and I was looking into some kind of motion system but it’s hard to find anything made for my model. do you know any motion rigs that will bolt up to the TR8 pro? Or with some fab will work Thanks for you help !
@andrewstarcher4894 Жыл бұрын
Does anyone know what seat Barry is using here? I like all the vents it appears to have.
@SwapnilBhartiya Жыл бұрын
I have no place near me to test it out but one of the things I feel will be important for me is feel of g-force when accelerating or braking. Do you get that feel/experience? I want to get one, but not sure what kind of exp is it beyond feeling bumps and corners.
@spiritchaser4337 Жыл бұрын
LOL Barry’s rig barely moves with the G5’s 1.5” of travel. It is just not enough. G-forces and gear shifting would be minimal. You’ll feel the curbs, that’s about it.
@rolandofuentes64442 жыл бұрын
The opening sound of the video... what car and engine is it??
@pinturasjesa1331 Жыл бұрын
Hello friend, can you guide me on my purchase. currently i want sr2 you tried the simrig1 now they have a new version.. Do you think it is worth the purchase and if you can help me tell me. Is there much difference with the dk2, for example??
@CaliCuh Жыл бұрын
I’m looking to get the dbox HF-L4 system any thoughts on it?
@timw6596 Жыл бұрын
so what is the best set up, all the toys and be plug and drive..............and best guess total cost for someone that just wants to drive drive butts off ? not sure my man cave can fits its all in but.....never know
@fatimalazaar39702 жыл бұрын
Hello, why you feel more the rumble strip with gen3 than gen5 ?
@sin0suke2 жыл бұрын
I notice a 2 actuator option for sale, would that be to compete with something like the Next Level Racing Motion Plus? That might be a nice option for someone looking to break the bank a little bit at a time.
@advancedsimracing2 жыл бұрын
Indeed! It's a more cost-effective approach that works extremely well for open-wheeler racing. You don't really need heave while driving F1 for example. (the 3rd degree of freedom you get from 4 actuators) : More info right here - www.advancedsimracing.com/products/d-box-generation-5-2250i-haptic-system-1-5-travel-range-2-actuators
@emanuelbiazon8826 Жыл бұрын
what motion system do you recommend if budget isnt an issue and the most realistic for you?
@blazinthunderhd93985 ай бұрын
If I had the money, I would probably pair the eracing lab Rs mega+ along with the next level seat mover and simxperience G5 Gseat. So you have the SFX for road and bumps feel, the seatmover for GeForce along with the Gseat for extra GeForce immersion (Recommend you have a harness on). I'd say if tuned right, It'll be the most realistic motion out there, All this will be around 13 grand which it's very expensive but a lot cheaper than the allmajor brands. And I recommend you placing the triple monitors on the motion rig itself so you'll get a one to one feel. Or just get a vr😊
@francoishornet10 ай бұрын
Be aware, if you have RJ45 cable issue on your GEN5, DBOX support told me the cable could not be change and I have to buy a new actuator. Really poor design and support.
@birit9112 жыл бұрын
Game compatibility and ease of use for the D-Box units.
@skrtskrt3429 Жыл бұрын
Whats better this or dof reality rigs like the h3?
@Carlovfx2 жыл бұрын
Would it be possible to install it on Fanatec Rennsport V2?
@Norton59969 ай бұрын
Can someone please tell me what pedals those all, thanks
@leonardcheri21182 жыл бұрын
Where is gen4 and how do you expect your customers to buy a product knowing something 3k cheaper might be around the corner! A proud owner of g1 and will stay that way :)
@zombiegeorge7492 жыл бұрын
The Dbox Website is pretty terrible. Not easy to look at a complete list of products. They also do not sell direct?
@joemendel38732 жыл бұрын
I agree, whomever is their webmaster has not done them right. Dizzying and nauseating.
@netlawman20012 жыл бұрын
They don’t sell direct, but do have a list of resellers
@danilochaves24422 жыл бұрын
review cammus wheelbase pls
@L_Emir_de_Passy2 жыл бұрын
I tried to find a price but couldn't. I think it's around 7000$ for 3dof? Evidently, they don't have a problem finding costumers at this price. But I'm still surprised that people would spend that much when you get more capable systems for half or even almost a third of the price. What does the dbox system do that the $2500 eracing lab kit can't do?...i don't know... What i do know is the dbox system can't make you feel slopes or banks as well... spa, brands hatch, daytona... those tracks benefit greatly form a 150mm actuator... the only advantage I see is how much easier it seems to set up the system... A few plugs and good to go.... I've never tried dbox but it doesn't seem to behave exceptionally different compared to the rest.
@damiengvideos43372 жыл бұрын
No experience with the Eracing kits but coming from SFX100 with Thanos and SRS I find the D-box to be a lot “smoother”, the software to me was easier to tune and get just how I want it. The transducer effect is awesome so no need for bass shakers. Is it worth 2-3x as much…no. Just like real cars you pay that premium for a little gain. If you want to do flight sims and rally and trucks get the DK2+ I’d say. Me I am perfectly happy with my D-BOX no regrets.
@advancedsimracing2 жыл бұрын
Prices for North America available here : www.advancedsimracing.com/collections/d-box
@advancedsimracing2 жыл бұрын
And to answer your question, D-BOX is the only system that can do 0-100hz vibration superimposed with motion. Meaning you can get a lot of subtle cues on how the car is behaving at all times, all while feeling braking, acceleration and a slight bit of banking.
@L_Emir_de_Passy2 жыл бұрын
@@damiengvideos4337 Thank for sharing.... Had you tried the engine vibration function of SRS ?... Pretty effective i think .. i don't have any bass shakers either... I guess I'll never know what you mean by "smoother " as long as I don't try it myself. But srs/sfx150 combo is tuneable to infinity.. from super smooth to super harsh...took me time to get it right but it's perfect now.
@L_Emir_de_Passy2 жыл бұрын
@@advancedsimracing I see... Ill have to try it .. though, it won't be a game changer for me i imagine
@ThomasHnzHansen2 жыл бұрын
Its so expensive for me to watch your videos. I end up wanting to buy everything.
@theprojectman8053 Жыл бұрын
Can this with for the asr-f
@chuckystang2 жыл бұрын
The price is well, expensive, to say the least. But SRG for the win!
@mirshia52482 жыл бұрын
yeah lol i dont ever bother watching these videos tbh, why bother i cant afford them
@Jo-oy9ko28 күн бұрын
Sorry but there's a lot of latency. Looking at the video of the motionhouse actuators they seem better than this d-box
@minh11972 жыл бұрын
he's usually more straight forward with his final impressions. this video was meh imo. hope there's no conflicts of interest.
@_afw_ Жыл бұрын
Do I really see a plastic part pressed on a metal engine axle doing all the heavy lifting? That’s cheap and will break as soon as the plastic get brittle and breaks. You usually found such bad design in cheap Asian VHS recorders. (Yes I mean you, Panasonic).
@leloleon4292 жыл бұрын
Again Barry you are the man. I'm waiting your Asetek invicta review pedala. But about all this motion, sorry to say thy. It don't make you more faster and really I can say is just money catching. Why you never see the pro racers with motions sistems? Is simple there is no value in this sistems. And if you see a prorated just for marketing buy they never drive in competitions with motikns. So no argument for me, just gadget.
@vannibombonato41802 жыл бұрын
Motion is about fun, not the best possible lap time.
@andrewcrawford20932 жыл бұрын
UK cost £9000 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣
@greysonvalleyrrbarnesville1522 жыл бұрын
Well after watching this it is going to Race@home for the PT Actuators. Just bad software from D box.