Sims 2 vs Sims 3 vs Sims 4 - Weight Logic

[@Sitycims]

Check the video description for more infos! ↓Timestamps↓ 0:10 Test #1 Body types 2:48 Test #2 Weight system 6:32 Test #3 Food & calories 11:41 Test #4 Genetics & Lifestages affected 13:35 Extras • Who's the best between all games? • Hit the Like & Subscribe buttons!🔥🙏

[@magesticalmysterium6856]

as a Player who grew up with The Sims, but properly got into it with The Sims 2, I can appreciate The Sims 2 for what it is, while yes, by today's standards, the Fitness is lacking, it was actually a first for the series, since Fitness was tied to CLOTHING in The Sims 1, and in The Sims 2 it was for the first time tied to a statistic, and 3 and 4 actually improved (Especially 4, that is one of the few things 4 REALLY did well)

[@bigboomer1013]

You can bearly tell the difference between fat and thin for the sims 2. Its defenitly the 2000s for sure

[@child3248]

Yeah I almost always put myself down as a 'fat' sim because it was more realistic to my body type and I wasn't even overweight then

[@ToxicCatt-y7c]

Basically thin buff and beer gut lol.

[@miro2536]

it was also easier to develop at that time but yes it perfectly resemples the "ideal" Body Image ppl had back them.

[@kaylapounds1359]

Maybe you can't, but I can. I've played sims 2 off and on for like a decade and a half now, there's totally a difference. Especially for females when they are "fat" and pregnant.

[@child3248]

@kaylapounds1359 yeah one belly is obviously a baby bump and the other is what I call 'mum tum' (postnatal loose skin) or 'muffin top'

[@r3bs]

TS2 weight system is wild. We get to choose between thin and pregnant but thin.

[@samantharedacted9226]

I've always seen it as thin and THICC since on women sims it only really makes the boobs and butt bigger, definitely not fat.

[@r3bs]

@@samantharedacted9226 True. I wanna be TS2 fat so badly.

[@animdoodle]

Tbh fat isn’t even fat in this sims 2 it’s either just busty or imo normal body weight. Ts2 fat body is also cute

[@urieldaboamorte]

and thin already can be considered fit lol both seem (to me) to have the same amount of muscle and the only difference is that fit has a slightly lower body fat percentage

[@rosebine9811]

The only difference between fit and thin in the sims 2, is the body texture. Fit has muscle definition, thin does not.@@urieldaboamorte

[@exosproudmamabear558]

"For mysterious reasons developers didnt updated the code for other food" Mysterious indeed🤣🤣

[@Sitycims]

🤭🤭

[@RosesTeaAndASD]

Truely a fluke😂

[@MoonbiscuitSims]

mysterious lack of effort haha I thought maybe it would be cause they considered it a problematic thing to include calories in the game but then why not remove it from all meals

[@february4206]

they forgor

[@noarval]

​@@MoonbiscuitSims its not problematic at all bc it doesnt SHOW u the calories, just make em gain weight at different rates. i think they stopped updating bcs if EVERY food has calories than ppl who dont put their sims to exercise all the time will ALWAYS only have fat sims and the game will lack diversity

[@baoziday5178]

I think the only thing in the Sims 4 that can help Sims keep a consistent weight is yoga. I really don't have time to take my Sims to the gym so I made my sim do yoga before and after her pregnancy and it worked better than going to the gym. Especially if you don't want your sim to gain muscle

[@gravity_agreste9591]

Fazer corridas também ajuda muito. Eu tenho uma família onde o marido cozinha muito bem então eles acabam engordando muito por ele fazer muitas comidas, a esposa também fica cada vez mais gordinha, eu particularmente gosto deles gordinhos, mas as vezes quando quero diminuir o peso deles um pouco, ir correr é a solução.

[@Sophia404100]

Yoga is a great way to lose weight in Sims 4, however my sim, after doing yoga frequently, not only stopped being obese, but actually, got a 6-pack on her tummy also 😂 That was long ago, maybe now yoga doesn't work that way, but those few years ago yoga worked like a strength training 😂 At least for me

[@baoziday5178]

@@Sophia404100 I'm yet to have a sim gain abs from yoga, and she literally mastered the wellness skill 😅

[@katherina4174]

Yoga actually makes them gain muscles too

[@baoziday5178]

@@katherina4174 for some reason my Sims never seen to, I don't know why though

[@SMPsis]

Like many people are saying, I think TS3 wins it here. Not only is the weight system understandable and balanced, the fat bodies look the most realistic in TS3. In TS4, the fat bodies just look... off. The weight isn't distributed naturally, and it winds up looking like a thin person wearing a fat suit.

[@imechko_familia]

TS4 fat kinda looks like me... Lol 😂 I assume it's more bottom-heavy, while TS3 is more stomach-heavy

[@imechko_familia]

Also skin textures are MUCH more realistic in 3 than 4, but I guess it's style

[@feebzcheez]

i agree for sure. literally in ts4, weight is only added to the body but not to areas such as the face and the hands and feet, like what's common in real life.

[@miwami.]

I think the sims 4 fat actually is pretty realistic especially for women! Not sure about the men. Not to day the sims 3 isn't realistic but the sims 2 one is actually insane because thats NOT fat 💀

[@spiderleg648]

My issue with Sims 4 weight distrubution is that the face stays the same whether they are heavy or thin, and to me that is what makes it look odd

[@Manpag]

TS4’s system is annoying, and they should have had an option to disable it just like aging. In all other games, weight is effectively optional, since you have to be intentionally trying to change it in TS2, and in TS3 not interacting with it will return your sim to their default. If you’re going to give meals a calorific value, give the sims a fucking baseline metabolism, don’t get half way to real life and call it a day.

[@LivenUp7]

Thats the Sims 4 though. Halfway to reality then quit. Like making lemonade then it just teleports back onto the tray. Can't be fucked to actually set it down.

[@GreenWitch234]

​@@LivenUp7and let's not forget that the LEmOnAde is made from ice, water and powdered chemicals, not from actual lemons like in TS2 and 3.

[@ariannebrodeur]

exactly. i hate that i cant let my sims enjoy desserts or running on the treadmill without worrying their base body weight will drastically change. its SO imbalanced and makes me so angry i often times go into cas and realize theyve changed way too much and manually fix it bc i dont got time in game to undo that shit 💀💀💀

[@booksfortea]

@@ariannebrodeur there's a mod for that called no fatness no muscle and i've started using it for that exact reason, it should 100% be optional (or at least a loooot more functional)

[@quinnyharls]

@@booksfortea so does that fix the problem? I may download it. I never knew this was a thing, but the old system was so much better from what I'm hearing.

[@feebzcheez]

one last thing that wasn't mentioned is that in the sims 4, any sim with the bodybuilder aspiration automatically has fast metabolism as a bonus trait.

[@katlyndobransky2419]

I always loved how in TS3 you can be fat and buff lol. It was so realistic in so many ways

[@EpicBurritto]

I never seen a obese person with abs

[@florytb]

​@@EpicBurritto if youre very muscular you can have visible abs, ex. eddie hall

[@twicelover2732]

@@EpicBurrittoDo U know what genetics is?

[@gooseygoose423]

@@EpicBurritto muscle does not equal abs, try looking up heavyweight lifters. most peoples idea of strong meaning defined muscles learn this from depictions of people who are dehydrated (not that it doesn't happen naturally though of course, runners for example tend to be rather lean) humans have great body variation which should be celebrated! it's how we're so adaptable to the world around us

[@Cosy.Anjalea]

TS4 has that too lol

[@nevermore5792]

I think it's strange that in the Sims 4 they don't include overeating as a cause for weight gain and instead have it depend on what food you eat (and also have everyone gain weight if they don't do cardio). In the real world, it doesn't matter what food you eat as long as you don't overeat, many people maintain their weight without exercising and weight training does have an effect on your weight as well.

[@chyrchhella7804]

It does matter what you eat. You can eat healthy food and still gain weight cuz you eat more calories than your body burns

[@nevermore5792]

@@chyrchhella7804 That's what I meant with overeating, but as long as you don't overeat in terms of calories, you could in theory only eat chocolate cake and not gain weight (although it would obviously cause health problems)

[@Sitycims]

Well technically overeating kinda impacts weight gain in TS4 since it basically accelerates the rate of the stacking of calories ingested, which is basically how it works in real life. But where they failed, is that in real life, you have to adjust your calorie intake throughout your life, because your body gets used to it. Instead of staying in maintenance you end up starting to gain despite eating the same amount of calories, which is why people usually gain weight as they age. But considering how the devs couldn't even bother integrating most of the recipes with the calorie system, I'm not surprised they didn't code this aswell... So yeah, great feature in theory, but poorly implemented.

[@jyjaeskz]

Exactly, I haven't worked out once after school gym class and I stay arouns the same weight, sometimes even lose weight based on how I eat

[@MyScorpion42]

such confidence

[@JokersD0ll]

Dam at 1:08 the girl having a bit of a belly and being called fat really let’s us know the body standards back then aha

[@kathryncampbell4432]

Well, back then it was easier to end up excessively thin; plus, Sims 2 was more stylized, and had some coding limitations, so they could only go so far on the body types.

[@Te3time]

Literally has nothing to do with coding. TS2 didn't even have sliders so they could've had the biggest body the easiest since it was just a set body type.

[@HyperfixationStation]

@@kathryncampbell4432 "back then it was easier to end up excessively thin" no??

[@kathryncampbell4432]

@@HyperfixationStation Why do you think they had so many PSAs back then against overdieting?

[@HyperfixationStation]

@@kathryncampbell4432 because diet culture and promoting unhealthily starving yourself was very prevalent. It doesn't mean it was easier to lose weight or become thin -- it means the beauty standard was encouraging dangerous eating habits

[@crazydiamond1273]

I mean.. anyone else out here thinking TS2 "fat" female character looks like a perfectly healthy female body (NOT an implication that "thin" body looks UNhealthy)? I just don't see the fatness at all

[@ariannebrodeur]

no bc it actually is. its not even mid size like thats an average thin woman, the difference between the two body types in TS2 isnt body weight it’s literally body type like one has curves and the other is much more lanky. like the “fat” lady sim in TS2 is considered fat just bc she has a fupa over her uterus like wtf💀💀

[@cowbearrie]

i was underweight a year ago and am just now a good, average weight for my age and height and i have the exact body type as ts2 "fat" its wild

[@yellowblue3945]

The sims' 2 definition of "fat" is wild 💀

[@Tevi_L7151]

@@cowbearrie the late 90s and early 2000s were wild in fashion

[@kaylapounds1359]

​@@ariannebrodeurthe "fat" type is nowhere near the average real body size. The thin is more like somebody who works weigh minimum 120s maximum 180s. The "fat" type is geared to 200+. Most average people in real life, females I should clarify, weigh in that 160s-180s range.

[@Liam-c6g1t]

I feel like for the weight system, sims 3 is the winner IMO It’s not *too* finnicky, but it also doesn’t shy away from it. Sims 4’s is WAY too drastic, but I think you can tell that “heroine chic” was in with sims 2

[@Frenchaboo]

Crazy that TS4 has this elaborate calorie system but not only is it not stated in game anywhere, they don't utilize this interesting feature in any traits, aspirations or careers.

[@panakinskywalker6391]

Trying to spot the differences especially in the female body types in ts2 is like finding a needle in a haystack

[@evehellod9776]

One big problem I had with Sims 4 was how you had to force them to exercise way too often, unless you only gave them salad all the time. It’s just a pain to do that, and it doesn’t work like that at all in real life. So Sims 3 definitely wins for me But if I ever decide to redownload the fourth game, I guess I’ll just have to keep giving them food that has 0 calories

[@wrightcember]

i find it okay that i need to dedicate proper time to exercising in TS4. i usually buy my sims a treadmill just for the home when they dont anything to do food is utter bs tho, i mainly feed my sims salad and veggie dumplings along with some other things to spice up their food variety, like ill add chili or curry for fun on occasion

[@bridgetthewench]

A lot of the fish dishes are 0 calories, so I tend to stick to those if I don't want my sim to change weight.

[@theroyaljules39]

I just type in cas.fulleditmode and fix them myself when they gain too much weight

[@GenderedMess]

Literally! I would be fine going to the gym.. if I wasn't bombarded every 5 seconds by other sims and forced off of equipment because some random npc wanted it instead. Plus I don't want to waste simoleons on an in home gym because A. there's a gym next door and B. WHY. You eat one thing in the game and suddenly you're on the opposite scale.

[@karenconnor6682]

Can we take a moment to appreciate that in the Sims 2 cas, the sims are breathing in and out as they stand there!! Amazing 😊

[@Oliver_Flower]

7:14 wow I wish a whole chocolate cake was only 500 calories in real life lol

[@magesticalmysterium6856]

actually in The Sims 4 it's one Slice with 500 Calories (3.33% of the bar) but yea, we all wish the whole thing only had that much lol, but to be fair, if it's someone's birthday, treat them to something nice, they'd only get one per year.

[@rakhatthenut3815]

Whole cake in ts4 is 4000 kcal

[@gyppygirl2021]

Maybe it's just my bias, but Sims 3 is the clear winner for me. I'm pretty sure there's a genetic component to weight inheritance in TS3? As in, fat parents will have a fat kid even if they slim down through exercise. At least, it always seemed that way to me... correct me if I'm wrong. Also, I know another comment already mentioned it, but TS3 alchemy has potions for weight changing. :p

[@Sitycims]

I didn't test that out but if it's true that's extremely cool! Maybe I'll get to test it out and include it if I ever make a video about genetics! 😁 Oh and I didn't know about TS3 potions either!

[@gyppygirl2021]

@@Sitycims I'd certainly like to see if my suspicion is correct or not!

[@Zerg435]

Fat parents are fat for a reason, and they give the same food to their children.

[@PhoenixRoseYT]

Can confirm. My legacy founder was chubby and her husband was average. Their daughter was chubby all her life (she’d lose some weight because she was very athletic then gain it back quickly), and their son was quite thin.

[@stephaniejoobern1001]

You're right in sims 3 the body type often seems to get inherited

[@ember9361]

also i wouldn't say sims 2 react negatively to gaining weight, they just don't commemorate it- they just have this "ah ok" reaction unless maybe active sims complain? then that's a personality thing, like "gosh i miss working out" makes sense since usually gaining weight is more passive in this game, you usually only go up on the scale if you explicitly command your sim to do so

[@ember9361]

and some foods in sims 2 are more filling than others! try it out with porkchops and salad- the most and least filling dishes in the game! I think the weight gain is directly related to that value

[@Sitycims]

​@@ember9361Oh that might explain it! But I think there's some sort of randomness to the amount of weight they put on for each meal because I tested so many more other dishes & snacks, and it was always a bit different. I also noticed that they didn't always finished the dishes at the same time, and I suspect the amount of time they take eating has a direct correlation to the amount of weight they put on.

[@ratslaydownflat2540]

I also don't understand why that is a bad thing. Why would anyone celebrate gaining a substantial amount of weight? Unless you have a disease and need to gain weight to be healthy. But those types of diseases are not in the sims games. It fuels delusion, one more reason why I dislike the sims 4.

[@ember9361]

@@ratslaydownflat2540 well, idk some people might actually need the weight and are recovering from whatever or are just naturally chubby (thanks to hormones) but like none of these conditions are in the sims i honestly love how sims 3 dealt with it, having your sim's body default to where the slider was in CAS

[@cassdraws06]

​@@ratslaydownflat2540 I just think that the opposite (being dissapointed about weight gain) definitely puts a negative stigma on it when it's not... Weight gain can be good in more occasions than when you have a specific disease. It'd just be weird to have no reaction, and pretty problematic to have a bad reaction, so they went for a positive reaction

[@Gonzas97]

When it comes to realism, clearly the most realistic looking is sims 3. Sims 2 just gave slim sims with a bit of fat, or a bit of muscle, rather than extremes, which is not bad, but you cannot tell at first. And sims 4 just does not understand how weight distributes around the body. Sims 3 on the other hand knows that, and the sims also have the most realistic proportions, but i think this is also because they do look realistic-ish (but they still are ugly looking "humans" lol).

[@Sitycims]

Yes I love how sims with bigger bodies automatically gain face fat in TS3!

[@Gonzas97]

@@Sitycims its weird to me how sims 2 never did them correctly, considering they did that in sims 1 (even if the bodies are just sets rather than actual body changes), and also cuz sims 2 just does so many good things. And i am sure is not a technical thing, other games like san andreas, in 2004, did body changes correctly.

[@PhoenixRoseYT]

Sims 3 sims look like actual people. I look at the people around me and I could make them in the Sims for sure.

[@Gonzas97]

@@PhoenixRoseYT i agree, but i think that happens when you try to make them look like real people. When you don't do that they just look a bit off to me.

[@Gonzas97]

@@toe531 no, troll. It didn't

[@shannon4991]

I've watched a handful of your videos lately comparing the Sims series, and I am blown away by the differences in quality. I played the Sims 2 and 3 as a kid, and they felt so much better than the Sims 4 but I couldn't put my finger on exactly why until I watched these. Thank you for your efforts in organization and comparison to make these, I can see the time you put into these and it's admirable!

[@oroontheheels]

Sims 4 system sound nice on paper. But in game it’s horrible. I had two female sims. One curvy and one very fit. Both of them would do physical exercise at least twice a week. But after two or three in-game weeks both of them became so big. I don’t have any issue with fatness, I’m all about body positivity and I’m myself is fat. But the way they grow so big in such short time gave me slight anxiety lol. And they were eating different foods once a day. Not like they were eating pizza all the time. And never overeating. I dunno if it was a bug of something. But it was unpleasant experience. I’m real life such weight gain can only happen if person is sick. Not to mention in real life lots of people manage to maintain their desirable body weight just by avoiding overeating. And most of people go to gym once a week or twice a week. In Sims 4 you have to train 3-4 times a week, even if you eat only garden salad. It’s ridiculous. 😭

[@exosproudmamabear558]

I think it is a recent thing. They probably broke something after too much patches,fixes, broken package and packs because last time I played sims 4 was one year ago and I never had this problem. Even before my sims never gained too much weight despite making them eat sweets all the time.

[@oroontheheels]

@@exosproudmamabear558 I had this issue somewhere in summer/autumn of 2023. But I haven’t tested it since, always sending my sims to the gym. I played as gluttonous werewolf today, she eats not one but 2-3 meals a day and so far stayed fit. Although I sent her to have werewolf run from time to time.

[@exosproudmamabear558]

@@oroontheheels I probably played much before but I dont remember the date. They really broke the whole game integrity with constant updates and new stuff.

[@oroontheheels]

@@exosproudmamabear558 true!

[@christinaspiridou5429]

All it takes is a pregnancy or two for a female sim who doesn't have the "active" trait and they become full on obese. Like the highest on the scale. I have no problem with big sims, I have plenty of them and adore them, but it's just unrealistic that anyone who isn't an athlete becomes fully obese in 3 days of eating normally just because they're pregnant. LOL.

[@cydneyking7453]

Not sticking around cuz ya girls gotta heed it unfortunately but you are the GOAT for including that TW. Like legit that was so thoughtful.

[@hopeboyherewithyourmcdonal3634]

Literally! Take care of yourself ❤

[@jasond.b-w]

You have a lot more sense than I do-I saw that and stuck around specifically _to_ wreck my shit. I wish I could say it was a mistake but it had exactly the effect I wanted…I’m glad to see at least some people aren’t here doing the same thing. :/

[@actafewlactafew]

​@@jasond.b-wthe Sims 2 was wrong, you aren't fat obviously idk ur story or anything but everywhere and cultures have different perception of what is fat, fat can be beautiful and desirable, stay healthy and stay happy you are loved

[@suneater_zeef050]

i agree with the previous commenters haha, i dunno why i sat through that. i even missed the TW to begin with, but your comment brought my attention that this might be sensitive to me, thank you

[@fortywithaU]

I think TS3 wins because there's a good body type variation and weight and fitness gradually revert to their genetic values. In TS4 it's very annoying ahh because it doesn't revert unless you constantly exercise and I think they should add some 'basal metabolism' system to TS4 because IRL when you eat salads you don't get fat, especially eating gradually and not all at once. When I play TS4 then I set 'Freeze physique' in MCCC all the time.

[@midnalazuli793]

I swear to god, it’s way too fucking easy for your sims to gain weight in Sims 4. It’s pretty much inevitable if your sim has the master chef aspiration… hell, it’s inevitable if you just allow your sim to eat three times a day.

[@Nekomimixx]

Sims 3 also has weight affecting potions added with Supernatural expansion, FYI.

[@roxassora2706]

Sounds like a symptom of some medications tbh

[@nitzan3782]

For all its greatness, TS2 gave us so much body image issues. Like the "fat" model is literally me at BMI22

[@mykaruest3620]

90s and 00s culture for you baby lol

[@nitzan3782]

@@mykaruest3620 Heroin Chic my "beloved"

[@chervilisbetterthancilantro]

You mean that current social media gives everyone so much body image issues, plus a 30 point drop in IQ thinking obesity is healthy.

[@ember9361]

can i just say how tactful the content warning was? thank you. I don't need it but i can appreciate the care in the wording. Also sims 4's sucks major ass i've never had to juggle a million different things to keep my sims at the same weight before. And pregnant bellies are so unrealistic

[@oceanegougeon3025]

For real, TS4 is like a crash course to developing eating disorders, with all the management involved

[@hopeboyherewithyourmcdonal3634]

@@oceanegougeon3025 As someone with an ED, YES. Unfortunately the game was another way to reinforce some of my disordered thoughts because Sims can’t passively burn calories like humans do 😢 Luckily mods have helped with that, as they tend to

[@ember9361]

@@hopeboyherewithyourmcdonal3634 aw i'm sorry to hear :( just hang in there, it gets better!

[@azranger7294]

​@oceanegougeon3025 My poor sims eat nothing but garden salad because my disordered ass can't handle them gaining weight from one grilled cheese lmao. I need to mod it out somehow cuz it genuinely triggers my food paranoia

[@milliedragon4418]

​​@@azranger7294most of the foods have zero calories in them, in The Sims 4, I mean, I personally don't necessarily worry that much about my Sims weight gain. But when I do want my Sims to maintain a weight, I just don't have them eat too much desserts, or gourmet foods *also physical active. In addition, most of the foods have zero calories in them. Because they abandoned them, there is literally zero reason to only be eating garden salads for your sims. Outside of budget. *Eating salads also means no fire. And even if your Sim does gain weight, it's not as if you can't have your Sims lose the weight. They don't all of a sudden get huge.

[@ToxicCatt-y7c]

I remember feeding my sim way too many cupcakes from the cupcake machine and I didn’t realize they got fat until I zoomed up on them. I wish you got a moodlet much like in TS3 when you overfeed your sims cause, that was mildly annoying.

[@agnieszkavarstadt1294]

But there is a moodlet for overeating. I think its yellow for "uncomfortable", but I'm not sure.

[@ToxicCatt-y7c]

@@agnieszkavarstadt1294 I didn’t get a moodlet.

[@Stitchlover96]

I definitely think if it’s one thing TS2 got wrong, it was the weight system. I don’t think there was any inability to make fat/chubby characters in games prior to it, and I’m not strictly talking about Sims, there were plenty of video games that had fat/chubby characters. TS2 just implemented it oddly. And I can see how the game considering a bit of a belly “fat” to be hurtful to some people. The later installments allowing bigger body types was really good, and I’m glad they went the more inclusive route as opposed to their predecessor. There’s nothing wrong with being fat/chubby/fit/thin, all bodies are different and all are beautiful in their own way.

[@MadameSomnambule]

Honestly yeah, and The Sims 2 was so damn limited in the body type department. I have a feeling part of that might've been a technical quirk and them not wanting to up the system requirements too much too early, but still. I'm really glad Sims 3 and onwards gave us more flexibility in body type and face sliders.

[@daniellemeows]

They missed the mark in the Sims 4 with fat parents not having fat children. They should’ve kept that from Sims 3.

[@Sitycims]

I mean sure there might be a genetic component to fatness but it's not always the case! So in that regard, I think it's not completely wrong. But a better compromise would've been to implement a 50% chance for offsprings to inherit a higher body weight when the parents are fat!

[@pachliolite7986]

​@@Sitycims make that a 40% only 40% of our metabolism is genetics

[@christinaspiridou5429]

Wait. In sims 4, I often have fat kids with fat parents. If only one is fat and the other is extremely fit, the kids come out in between. Like normal weight. But if both are fat then the kid is most times fat

[@lilaclila6968]

@@SitycimsYou cant “inherent” a higher body weight? There is no genetic component to obesity, fat parents have fat kids because if a grown ass adult cant even figure out how to properly plan out their own meals, they sure as hell cant do it for a child.

[@isisisonha5098]

​​​@@Sitycims Well, even if there isn't a genetic component, people who eat foods high in calories rarely give their kid a healthy diet so it makes sense that the sims are "born" fat bc they are eating the same diet as their parents since very young but i agree that a percentile chance is better.

[@shadowlightnign]

I might be misremembering cause it's been a while but I think Sims 3 had a nice detail where which type of exercise you do affects the sims differently. Strength based workouts like the weight lifting ones will build the sims muscles but not affect their weight, while cardio workouts like jogging and using the treadmill will help in losing fat, but not affect their muscles.

[@ravenwinter6984]

Thanks for this, I couldn't understand why my sims in sims 4 kept gaining weight, this really breaks it down nicely. I feel like Sims 3 was the best in this area, weight gain/loss just made more sense

[@tiamod]

Something crazy I noticed in Sims 3 was If I made a sim in CAS skinny/buff, they pretty much stayed that way no matter what. But if I made them extremely fat by default in CAS then had them lose weight and gain muscle, they would gradually get fat again If I stopped them from exercising regularly. This video seems to confirm that so guess I’m not crazy

[@Tayte25]

Really? Imma try that out

[@supertna9154]

The Sims 2 apartment life has spells for witches that can set the fitness levels of sims which is an extra feature as well as sims who died from starvation or thirst (vampires only) in the Sims 3 immediately become thinnest weight when resurrected or brought back as a ghost. The Sims 1 has this feature not included in the first game meaning sims can overeat and exercise without any changes to their weight it will only affect their bladder if overeating or energy and hygiene need if exercising.

[@ketripon]

i love how people study this game under a microscope

[@Kyrande_Foxfairy]

The Sims 2 "calorie" system is - if I remember it correctly - correlates with the satiation of the food. If you test it, certain foods fill more of the hunger bar than others - and this difference affects how much weight will the same gain by overeating those foods.

[@MsPoliteRants]

Someone did a test for TS4 and even the salads made them gain weight. It doesn’t make sense. I hate playing the game in TS4 because it’s so unrealistic and frustrating. I like TS4 for building and TS3 for playing. Weight gain should only happen when the sim continues eating despite a full hunger bar.

[@gabrielandy9272]

but some foods should have a filter to increase a litle bit even if not full bar.

[@seraphim108]

Nobody wants to worry about losing fat IN GAME 😭 it's frustrating that this is so frequent. You can have weight gain, but nobody wants it to be the central focus. I've yet to hear it even be apart of some people's let's plays.

[@blackthornbark]

thank you for the warning at the begining! it was really sweet. i watched everything calmer

[@kathryncampbell4432]

Something you missed in regards to the weight system in Sims 2, but there are actual variations in reactions to body types changing, at least when going from fat to fit; one sim I had actually had a confused, neutral reaction after she had been on the exercise equipment for a while. She looked at her sudden weight loss and went “eh, oh well”. I don’t know if it has to do with personality types or something, but it was something I remember happening.

[@Sassayyyyy]

The music was a perfect choice. Made watching this relaxing and enjoyable.

[@0INSP1R3D0]

Sims 2 “fat” for females is my favorite type of, I like the extra curve😭

[@Mr-Sinister]

I wish it was more fat though. I like the extra thickness on female body.

[@brokefrederick10]

I know in ts2 they do react differently to weight changes based on personality, A slob (1-2 active points) positive reaction to getting fat An active sim (9-10 active points) will react negatively to gaining weight I remember when playing 3 a baby would grow into a chubby child and that bugged me 😅😂(i believe thats happened in 3 and 4) i was so confused "u can overfeed a baby?"

[@aquamatae]

Sims 4 not having genetic stuff makes more sense to why my slim parents got bigger offspring

[@adrianblake8876]

The Sims3 is a clear winner, but the fact Sims2 had the weight sliders visible, while Sims4 had the muscle definition being dependant on the other two sliders, rather than being a third slider with no option in-game to affect it (like the breast slider for females) make these games better in that regard. The calorie system is a bad implementation, because the previous system was the real deal in weight determination. It IS overeating that causes weight gain, calories IRL just reflect how filling a dish is...

[@chyrchhella7804]

What do you think overeating is? It’s literally having more calories than your body can burn. So yes, calories do matter when losing/gaining weight

[@Sitycims]

Calories DO NOT reflect how filling the food is IRL 💀💀 If only! I'd eat an insane amount of spaghetti bowls then

[@adrianblake8876]

@@Sitycims Yes they do. There's a daily limit of eating 2000 calories daily, but you can eat everything you want in the limit and NOT gain weight. In the Sims4, as you said in the video, every 150 calories are one pound of weight gain (not that I know what this means in relation to the slider), so it's a bad system. BTW, IRL the calorie system is just a shorthand for food groups (1 gram of protein and carb are 4 calorie each, while fat is 9). And while carb attribute to fatness, protein attribute to fitness...

[@Sitycims]

@@adrianblake8876 It's pretty common knowledge that calories don't represent food satiety irl. I mean it's obvious that 1 bowl of strawberries (34 kcal) is going to be more filling than 1 square of chocolate (60 kcal) 💀 Which btw doesn't negate at all that yes you can eat whatever you want & still lose weight. But it's going to be significantly easier and you'll be less hungry if you do it by eating 2-3 healthy meal than eating 1 ice cream tube & be done for the day cause you reached your daily calorie intake (lived experience) 🗿🗿

[@pinkdarkman]

Lol calories do not equal satiety. I can eat like half of a pumpkin pie at once and barely feel full off of like 1000+ calories, but if I eat a whole bowl of cabbage I feel full and it's only like 40 calories. And that's cabbage with no salad dressing besides salt, pepper, and red wine vinegar (all have 0 calories on the label but I guess you could argue they add like 10 calories to make it 50, which is still nothing).

[@srsaf_onyx]

love the sims 3 one, it looks so realistic like they’re actually fat and not just whatever the fuck is happening in sims 4

[@nastjafisunova7258]

I like the way, the "Sims 4" made sims gain weight in different ways according to which body type you created. They become more fat very slowly, so you can firstly not detect the differences. But after a some time, if you created the female sim with big breast, wide hips but slender waist - her body will firstly become pear-shaped. If your sim had slender legs, but slightly more fat arms - the arms will become bigger faster. That is something, I like more than in "Sims 3".

[@wendy-99]

TS2 It was created in the 2000's where eating disorders were abundant, perhaps the system is according to the beliefs and standards of the time

[@sealake7935]

The Sims 4 system is definitely so odd… Like, I guess the Sims in that game lack a metabolism? And the only form of exercise that helps them lose weight is cardio? Definitely think the Sims 3 had a better system

[@ohs0f]

ts2 "fat body" its giving drunk father tummy 😹

[@JUNI-r1r]

These videos always make me love ts3 even more than I already do, there is just so much realism while still being super chaotic and lots of fun at the same time.

[@siennahartle9069]

If you took the character and lot creation of sims 4, the open world, swatch mechanics and slightly tweaked graphics of sims 3 and the game play of sims 2, you’d have the perfect sims game

[@Pipapisca]

That explain why even when I was only eating salads I got real fat on ts4 and also why the exercise machine didn't work as fast as going for a jog lol

[@Nika-ig9zi]

The Sims in the Sims 4 not loosing any weight from starving is the reason why my medieval peasant family is getting fatter and fatter... 😂

[@bklucaa]

omg i'm just so glad you're thinking of people with body image issues and put a trigger at the beginning! this is so nice from you

[@starhwas]

My biggest beef with ts2 is the restricted body size 😂 I know you can download custom body shapes for it, but it’s a pain because it limits the clothing options. Probably my favorite mechanic of ts3/4 is the diversity in creating the sim how you want, especially with body weight, muscle mass, etc

[@styrofoam4637]

the “fat” body type in the sims 2 looks exactly like me 🥲

[@jyjaeskz]

It's not fat tho

[@styrofoam4637]

@@jyjaeskz that’s why i put it in quotation marks lol. it makes me laugh that that was consiyfat in the 2000s bc it’s a mid sized body. the joke was that the sims 2 is calling me fat ahaha

[@candydream16]

same

[@dancesmokesmile344]

5:09 the muscles staying the same even though the sim gets fatter though, especially at the end 😂

[@Federica_Iaccarino]

1:44 Unrelated but he's so silly i want to hug him

[@yanatiersen7333]

You made wonderfully detailed video, thanks! I didn`t know a lot about sims 3 though its my favorite game

[@paytonsme]

Wow the sims 2 one was so wild. Thanks for sharing

[@nilsudemirtash]

Fat doesn’t always mean ugly. Skinny doesn’t always mean beautiful. Every individual is unique. Healthy is always beautiful. 😇😇😇😇😇 Btw, The Sims 3 also has weight altering potions called “Large and in Charge” and “Lean and Mean”

[@nilsudemirtash]

@@Rikotoru I just meant it as self love. There are people who are naturally fat and they can’t do anything about it. But you’ve got a point.

[@Ladiescodelavely]

@@Rikotorudepends on what you think is “fat”

[@wittypseudonym]

​@@Rikotoru fat is good. it is critical to staying alive. you will experience organ failure if you have less than 3-10% body fat depending on sex. further to that, there is a huge difference between visceral fat (dangerous to ones health) and subcutaneous fat (generally a non-issue)

[@thesims2fanclub]

but skinny also doesnt always mean ugly aswell. We cant control our weight...this quote always catch my attention

[@nilsudemirtash]

@@thesims2fanclub Yeah. Body image has always been a double edged sword. I was just mentioning this because there’s still some people in 2024 who for some reason continue fat shaming other people.

[@pzuko89]

Translation: sims 2 is either thin. Or pregnant. 😂

[@IxxStars]

It already seemed strange to me that in sims 4 some meals did not affect

[@strange144]

Honestly TS2's fat is ridiculous - no wonder so many people had EDs.

[@Gonzas97]

So does strong sims. Sims 2 just did not prioritize realism.

[@Sitycims]

A more appropriate word would've been chubby but yeah, it was the 00's also 😂

[@SingingAudball]

That’s a little dramatic. It was 2004. They didn’t care that much about realism. TS2 didn’t cause anyone to have an ED.

[@sugaloaf9889]

Let's not even go there, friend.

[@doodoo2065]

​@@SingingAudball They arent talking about realism, but about diversity Tbh the three body types look very samey from afar

[@rowan404]

I play The Sims 2, and although most of it has stood the test of time, one of my biggest frustrations with the game is how "fat" sims are a healthy weight and "normal" sims are underweight. I'm chubby myself, so it stings that my body type doesn't exist in the game at all. I try not to think about it too much because it makes me feel insecure. Not only that, but I have this fat/fit combo of sorts (buff arms and legs, chubby torso) that can only be replicated in Sims 4. (That still doesn't make Sims 4 playable to me, though.)

[@Sitycims]

Well, I get it that you might not agree and find offensive that "chubby" sims are being referred as "fat" in TS2 but you are doing the exact same thing by qualifying the "thin" body type (which is also a healthy weight) as "underweight"...

[@rowan404]

@@Sitycims That's not what my point. What I mean is that truly fat sims don't exist in The Sims 2.

[@r3bs]

​@@rowan404I know what you mean. The "fat" Sim is like a size 6/8. It's very 2000s heroin chic.

[@Sitycims]

​@@rowan404 Yes I got your overall point, and I agree. What I try to bring your attention to, is to be respectful of each spectrum without having a double standard!

[@rowan404]

@@Sitycims In that case, I don’t understand what _you_ mean. I’m sorry, but I’m completely lost.

[@Tacocat_Backwards]

I like how in ts4 its always a positive reaction to weight change. All sizes are beautiful! However, tse definetely wins.

[@consuelonubes]

omg you put so much effort on this video, so many details and compilation of EVIDENCE haha I love it thank you

[@cloudykat04]

sims 3 is the best, but i like that the reaction to body changes is always positive in the sims 4 :)

[@Nakia11798]

Sims 2 did what they could at the time. Sims 3 did it best.

[@bravebiird]

this is like the one major thing about the sims 2 that i can say isn't good by today's standards and it's great that they improved so much on it later on. not just how similar all three builds are, but also the concept of muscle and fat being mutually exclusive was just hilarious when in a lot of ways they're actually linked

[@fatalskull8954]

totally binge-watching your videos! Such nice content can't even believe its just that new lol 6 days ago. Greetings from Brazil! Merci.

[@karlozfox]

I cant believe there is one thing that the sims 2 didnt do better than all other franchise games.

[@29.11plum]

In the sims 4, my kids sometimes come out with their parents body type. If you randomize genetics in CAS they will as well

[@tarruska]

TS4 weight gain is so frustrating and makes me anxious. (I don't want to stress about that ingame!) The reason why I only use TS4 for building and storytelling, and TS3 and TS2 for actual gameplay

[@Dex-Emu]

I wish this would be in real life where we just don't need to eat much, exercise just a bit and we will loose weight in minutes. Real life is much stupider than sims world.

[@kepler-62f]

in the sims 4 your sims gain weight so fast if you don't have them do cardio every day. like they could be actively gardening/cleaning/working/whatever and eating healthy and their entire body shape changes just from eating food when they're hungry, it makes no sense. i think the sims 3 system of each sim returning to their default natural weight if you don't try to change it is way more realistic.

[@stephaniejoobern1001]

The way weight/food works in sims 4 is so ED reminiscent. It's so much like how I thought at my worst: - if you eat 150 calories you gain 1 lb, basically only max 2 servings of salad or fruit - you have to exercise to keep it off - but only cardio gets rid of weight otherwise you risk gaining muscle Ik it's not like that in real life but those are fears people with EDs often have

[@obligatory-handle]

Yeah, this is why I give all my sims the freeze physique thing with MCC. The fact that they'll always be gaining weight no matter what or how much they eat makes me uncomfortable. Like, thank you game, but I don't need you reinforcing my fears to me.

[@freyabaker8334]

​@@obligatory-handleomg I didn't know you could do that that's so helpful

[@Fernybun]

how does erectile dysfunction relates to weight though?

[@pippastrelle]

I appreciate the TW. It's very thoughtful

[@KewlKat626]

Each meal in the Sims 2 does actually have a value on how filling they are! A user on ModTheSims (gummilutt) actually made a spreadsheet of the foods different values! It's effected by a lot of factors though, skill level and the stove used can effect how filling the meal is. Stocking the fridge with grown produce from Seasons will also give the food higher value and make them more filling! According to that users chart, Mac & Cheese fills the hunger need 75% while Chef Salad only fills it 63% so that would explain the meter being effected differently by each meal!

[@sofiamallarino7217]

Sims4 be eating garden salad night and day and still gain weight after two weeks, its insane

[@nikola_grey]

In The Sims 3, if you eat not autumn salad, but just lettuce (an ingredient), then you gain weight much more slowly

[@nerdychocobo]

it's worth noting the ts3 genetic weight calculations are actually broken in the original game (basically sims current weight will be incorrectly written to the genetic weight), I use a core mod that fixes it and the difference is clear! It's such a cool feature that I never heard about before

[@kososka]

I'm so annoyed by weight in The Sims 4. It could definitely be worse (just look at Sims 2) but it's so hard to even make a body look like mine and I'm not even really fat. Making a fat person is so hard, the fat is divided so weirdly, they just end up looking like some kind of weird caricature most of the time. Also I have to edit my Sims that I'm playing with in CAS sometimes just because of how much weight they're gaining and how different it's making them look.

[@Mabra51]

I think the calorie tests in TS2 may be inconsistant because the weight gain is based on the duration of the animation, and sometimes they start other animations mid-eating which lengthens the amount of time they're eating.

[@Alisa_Nanar]

TS2 has a very strange weight system....I always chose “fat” because it had good breasts and hips. The "thin" template was too.....flat.

[@Snofey1]

The sims 2 is my absolute favourite, but if I have to mention something what other games do better, that would be weight logic/bodytypes. In 2 there is really no difference between ”curvy” and ”obese”. Different body shapes makes it seem more realistic. Adult sims are always the same height too.

[@MrDaddieD]

In my experience, I created a sim that had a banging body. Not even halfway weight. She ended up having 3 kids. 1 single and a set of twins. When she aged up to adult and maybe a few days after aging up I noticed that she was on the heavier side. She naturally ate healthy and was also a mermaid and would swim very often. She still gained weight. Either swimming doesn't work like a treadmill (cardio) or she gained weight from having kids. She did have the twins as an adult too. Not sure if there is any solid evidence that post-pregnancy weight gain is a thing in TS4 of not but my lady gained her weight after having twins. I'll have to experiment more to find out.

[@Jesio11]

The way you can still see the guy’s ab muscles when he’s morbidly obese in TS3 reminds me of that one Australian mayor who got hilarious ab implants.

[@melancholy1000]

My only issue with the sims 4 is on the highest weight, they still don't get a double chin. It's really unrealistic, and displeasing for plus size players.

[@hildcit]

In addition sims 3 also does have instant potions (or elixirs) to. Change weight. For fat, it’s “large and in charge” For thin it’s “Lean and mean”

[@XeStarstryder]

For Sims 4, I highly recommend Jentera's Gradual Physique Changes mod. Sims 4 made these highly customizable sliding scale bodies, but fat and muscle changes only visually change at about 5 key values each. This mod makes the process happen in small increments over time without the exaggerated "wow, I've really changed" animation moments. 10/10 As well, I suggest using Enkidu's Calories for Food and Drinks. This adds a daily calorie burn which is not built into base game (that's why all your sims are fat), and it fleshes out calories across the game for foods that were left without calories. On one hand I'm really not surprised given the state of TS4... but on the other hand I am amazed that these developers took the time to flesh out such a complicated underlying fat, muscle and calorie system, only to leave the surface representation bland, minimalist and (honestly) undeveloped. We love to hate our favorite game.

[@wyn2761]

really cool and complete video!

[@Nexiusify]

I like the ability to stretch around a body in s4. My biggest perk of the game. And that you can be muscular regardless of your body

[@MNNwendy]

please do a genetics logic comparison 🙏🙏 sims 4 genetics always give me just a carbon copy of one parent or squish their face and it’s so confusing

[@milliedragon4418]

I personally would have liked Sims 4 system with calories, if they had sticked with it Because a lot of people complained about it. They basically abandon it. There were some people who didn't want to have a more realistic system or because of time. I remember it was like some people liked it. Some people hated it. personally, would have liked it more because it makes me have to think more thoughtfully about what my sims eat and their activity. Because the abandoned it is basically useless. Instead of just adding an option if people don't want calories to matter. * In real life though it still would be more complex than that, but it's obviously not just calories in and calories out. And the previous iterations it was just mostly focus on not overeating. It was easy to not gain weight. Sims didn't have to work out, and most of the time, as long as they didn't eat too much, they never gain weight. What a dream. I wish it was that simple. But they also never really lose weight even in the Sims. 4. They don't lose weight by eating a calorie deficit. But that would probably be more controversial. You can technically make a Sim look underweight in the Sims 4, but they can't actually be underweight. Sims can starve. * Another thing is I didn't know that this many people would be miseducated on weight gain weight, loss here in the comment section.

[@bona_ventura]

Hi! I have a suggestion: I really love your videos, but it would be easier if the subtitles were not included in the video but on KZbin, so I could use KZbin's automatic translation

[@jasond.b-w]

That wild bouncing stomach fat animation is exactly how I feel if I accidentally eat one more saltine than I should be having for the day. 💀

[@junkoslowed5074]

Oh tu es français ? Super video !! 😊