Sinden Light Gun Review! | Area 51, CarnEvil, Point Blank, Lethal Enforcers & More!

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[@gmee123]

Would love for you to do a install guide. A lot of the ones I've watched haven't really impressed me. I like your explanation style and appreciate your thoroughness. Great video!

[@KillerArcadeGames]

I’ve considered this. I really didn’t want to do it but I might get to it eventually.

[@JonDoe-ti2mb]

Just a heads up for anyone who is looking to order these guns. Ive been trying to get in contact with Andy Sinden for weeks and my order has said "fulfilled" since November 2021, were now in January 2022 and I havent heard a word from him.

[@eapleitez]

Titchgamer has many good guides for Sinden here on KZbin

[@TechRyze]

@@JonDoe-ti2mb He's definitely busy trying to fulfil the orders. Try sending a message through Indiegogo, as I got a reply in Nov/Dec through the site when I enquired. I ordered mine in Aug '21 and only got it on Jan 18th '22, so you might just be in for a wait. I reckon he has a WAY bigger hit on his hands than he realised. The world has been waiting for a light gun that works on LCD screens. I'm using mine on the projector, and it's fantastic so far.

[@xavierreyes1157]

^ that’s a fact I enjoyed the vid and would love an installation

[@Alabasterslim]

Even though I have a sick VR setup and shooting is so fun in that, and I play paintball. I really want to get a pair of these for my cabinet.

[@KillerArcadeGames]

They're fun, especially if you liked older shooters. The new VR stuff must be insane though. I've only tried VR once. I got all sweaty and had a headache haha.

[@sturkrazee288]

Got mine about a week ago. Still setting it up...Ive got it relatively stable, but still get jittery cursor. I've played with the settings for almost a week now with different borders, etc. According to other people, cursor should be smooth as silk. Removed everything from around tv (Sony 55") that could create artifacts, adjusted ambient lighting in room, adjusted tv settings (brightness, contrast) no dice. The only way I can get it to work half decent is to cut the exposure down to around -6. My next step will be to line the edges of the TV with white tape. If this doesnt work I'm done. Great review man

[@KillerArcadeGames]

I had some jitter for a short time but I just have been lucky. It took about an hour or two of tinkering and I had it working perfectly.

[@sturkrazee288]

@@KillerArcadeGames So about a week and a half in, and I finally nailed it. Pretty nuanced setting this up, but the payoff is amazing. I guess it has to be because of the large amounts of different possible monitor and TV manufacturers. My camera settings are pretty ridiculous, but I nailed it somehow. There is still a faint jitter, but is hardly noticeable now. I have had many different light guns and I can say without a shadow of a doubt that this is the king at present. Hats off to Andy for designing and developing this great piece of tech and I will definitely be backing future endeavors. Brilliant👍

[@iwonderifthisislegal]

@@sturkrazee288 Man...I'm about to give up on mine. The mouse jump is insane. In game ( area 51 Le s say, is like crazy. It's shaking like an earthquake...and will just fly up to the upper left corner. Crazy. What's ur cam settings?

[@sturkrazee288]

@@iwonderifthisislegal That's the problem. I can give you my settings but they wont work unless you have the same lighting conditions and TV etc... I think they made art packages for MAME that come with the white border. Make sure that you adjust the arts brightness accordingly. Had to almost make it dark for it to work, but it works great

[@SPx982]

I played with the recoil one last weekend, felt it was a bit heavy and turned the recoil off. i would not regret it too much, not getting them.

[@jonathanbrandau9078]

I've been thinking about getting these and yeah, I kinda wanted the recoil but reading about how they aren't that great and lessen the more you use it in a row I think I may go away from those. Most of the games I'd want to play didn't have recoil guns anyway so it's not missing out on much.

[@ProjectGenesisMusic]

I've been slowly setting mine up the past month. I gotta say MAME and Teknoparrot have been the easiest and best to setup and play. Sega Model 3 is kind of a nightmare with the gun id's changing all the time. Sega Model 2 I got running good with 1 player so far. Gonna attempt Naomi arcade games and Ps2 games tonight hopefully with success. Great review man!

[@elvampe13]

Can Teknoparrot and Sega Model 3 play the more graphics-heavy shooters? Is there any benefits to having both of those programs or just having one of them is enough?

[@HyperioGames]

@@elvampe13 they play completely different games, TP / Arcade loaders tend to play games that aren't emulated elsewhere or assist with running modern arcade dumps which are built for PC's.

[@Eekumpokeum]

One of the very few creators using no crosshair. You got my respect bruh!

[@KillerArcadeGames]

Thanks. I prefer it! My goal is to have the closest thing to the arcade experience at home. These really help with that dream!

[@C_C-]

Finally someone that can actually aim demos them! I'm hoping the extra weight of the recoil doesn't make them more tiring

[@MrHexxed]

Nice review. As ThatGamer already mentioned, the bezel packs are made by the community so kudos goes to them. The Sinden Wiki is also largely made by the community as well. If you have a 3d printer (or a friend who does), I would suggest printing off the trigger mod. Definitely gives you a faster shot.

[@KillerArcadeGames]

Thats great to know. I love a good community that's always working together to make things better! I don't have a 3d printer, my wife wants one so maybe we'll get one soon.

[@TitchgamerRG]

Great review man! As the others mentioned its very much a community based project glad to see you enjoying it :)

[@KillerArcadeGames]

Thanks! I appreciate your videos on how to set this stuff up. I need to dive into getting the other emulators running.

[@TitchgamerRG]

@@KillerArcadeGames its a never ending task 😂

[@ing3nieur]

There are bezel packs available for Sega M2, Sega M3, and Demul in the Sinden Wiki.

[@KillerArcadeGames]

Nice! Thank you!

[@jesuscastellanos6718]

Thanks for the review. I just ordered a pair of Sinden Light Guns w/ recoil.

[@KillerArcadeGames]

I wish I’d gone with the recoil. Enjoy yours!

[@danpettis1675]

@@KillerArcadeGames does this work with raspberry pi thank you

[@mr.styles5559]

I'm already planning a light gun build next year as my project. Really torn on what guns to get but these are a strong contender. I may start working on the PC and image come January and go from there.

[@KillerArcadeGames]

Hopefully they show up on time. I think they're getting better at delivering faster now that the pandemic is more manageable.

[@magicalhats]

I play a decent amount of gun games since the 90s arcades to modern ones today. Heres my attempt to explain gangsta style (at least in my opinion). When playing light gun games for awhile, your arm gets tired, and it wants to twist towards the side facing the body (hence gangsta style). If you hold your arm out right now, and theres nothing supporting it, at some point, it wants to fall to the side cause perhaps its more natural in that position and less pain. I don't know, maybe its my carpel tunnel, lol, but that's what I think.

[@tazmantiz6938]

hiya! yes excellent review!! does this gun work with T2 terminator 2 arcade game? for sega genesis or master system emulator, ive been trying to look still no results on whether or not it works thanks a bunch!

[@KillerArcadeGames]

I want to say it will work but I just don't know for sure. I've never tried console emulation with these. It seems to act as a mouse cursor to the computer so as long as your emulator can use the mouse, it will probably work.

[@thatman84]

Very good review. As part of the Sinden community this is no e to see. One little clarification is the bezels packs were made by enthusiastic owners just like you. Shared your review with the Discord community

[@KillerArcadeGames]

Thanks for letting me know about the bezels. Its great when a community works together on something like this. I would have not been interested in these if I had to activate the border every time.

[@666paintballguy]

I really like the video, do you have any videos that you would recommend for setting up mame and things like that as well as videos that will help with the setup of the sinden light guns. ive had mine for a while now and I have been having trouble setting them up.

[@misterkeebler]

Nice review. I just got my pair of Sindens a couple of weeks ago for my A1U modded cab, though I have only used them on the AM2 emulator (virtua cop series, HotD, Gunblade) and not on MAME yet. Super accurate and very worth the money to me. I've had a blast. I was nervous about the white border, but after a few seconds I'm immersed to the point that I really dont notice it. I have the recoils and while they are pretty cool, they are very loud and they actually take some decent energy from the USB port. I noticed if I fire too fast with recoil turned on, then the recoil mechanism slowly lessens to almost nothing until I stop shooting to give it a rest. Might be the port I am using. It's a USB on the backside of the same PC you use, hooked up to an extension port that I placed in the J panel. So yeah, I play with recoil on and off and definitely not at night. I dont think you are missing out on much tbh. It's just as fun without it. The pump action reload is probably the aspect I like the most. Regarding the software startup, I think there's an option in the settings to open the software on system bootup. I havent tried it myself, but was this not sufficient for what you were trying to do (turn on one button to boot all) ?

[@KillerArcadeGames]

I don't really notice the border much now either, which is great. I didn't know that about the recoil! That kind of worries me about burning out the USB ports or something lol. I found that setting but I read it as it starts the guns when you open the software. I could be wrong. My way works fine so far, dropping them into the startup folder has been good.

[@pankymonsta6922]

Where did you purchase your gun from?

[@etoychest]

Great stuff! I received my Sindens several weeks ago and am in the process of building a HotD 4 cab to drop them into. Like you, I am a bit worried about how the experience becomes more complex with non-MAME emulators (ie Teknoparrot), but maybe as time goes on different bezel packs or work arounds will come to light that will hopefully make the experience more seamless across a variety of emulation platforms. Again, great review!

[@MrHexxed]

I found TeknoParrot one of the easiest systems to set up on my Sindens. Just make sure you have one of the newest releases and give it a shot.

[@KillerArcadeGames]

I hope it goes smoothly. I've never tried getting guns working in Teknoparrot. I primarily use that emulator for racing games.

[@MrHexxed]

@@KillerArcadeGames TP added full lightgun support for all the shooting games a few months back. Most are as simple as going into the game input settings in TP and selecting your gun from a drop-down and then choosing which buttons do what. For most systems it really doesn't get any easier than that.

[@Lobothemainman23]

Word of advice, update to the newest version and use reshader. Took me hours of trial and error to get some games working. Also using multiple copies of the same emulator for different boarder sizes is helpful in teknoparrot. Its a breeze to set up but when you want the game to start from say launchbox with an automatic boarder thats when it got problematic.

[@cardboardboxification]

What if you put a white strip of tape on around the monitor ? Will it work ? For a shooting cab? So you don’t have to mess with software white bezel ?

[@rebeccachambers4701]

Looking at the inside I feel like you could take a spring loaded recoil like a nice one and just put all this stuff on an actual BB gun with recoil and it would still pretty much work the same.

[@lordjules]

There are bezel packs for M2 and M3. They basically use reshade . You’ll find them on the wiki

[@KillerArcadeGames]

Ah, thank you!

[@TheColdest247]

Great video man. I have a Megacade arriving very soon and I had some gun4ir's installed on the cabinet, but I ordered some sinden's around 7 months ago also. I can't wait to really try both out, because I'll probably just keep both because my sinden's have recoil and my gun4ir's don't.

[@KillerArcadeGames]

Thanks, I've heard those are good guns. I've heard people with both like both and say they seem to perform similarly.

[@marphy43]

Thanks for the review. At 5:38 in your video are you moving the pointer with your gun or your normal mouse?

[@KillerArcadeGames]

I don’t remember but judging by how it’s moving I assume it was the gun.

[@theadmiral8161]

I have a pair of these with recoil. Also not a fan of the border, but you kinda just look past it after a while. The tracking is fantastic for sure. The one complaint I have is that the recoil intensity fades while holding the trigger on continuous firing. It starts off strong, then trickles. It's great having just one cord (the USB) to power both the gun & recoil, but the power supply is kind of weak. Perhaps Sinden will address this down the road with a software update. All in all, these guns are freakin awesome!

[@KillerArcadeGames]

I’ve heard the recoil gets weak. That’s disappointing. I hope they can fix it.

[@scow01]

Software update will not be able to fix this issue. The root cause is solely to do with usb only being 5v. The recoil has a large capacitor to store up a charge that gets quickly drained within a few quick trigger presses. You can adjust the auto recoil to a point that it will be a consistent feeling but it will be fairly weak and a bit slow. The only true fix would be to rewire the solenoid to run off of a different power source.

[@waynerice4918]

Are the Sinden light guns compatible with Atgames Legend Ultimate. It seems that they only work with pc arcade machines. Thanks for the video and I have to agree with you about the Aimtrac light guns and you have to go back and calibrate the gun in some games.

[@KillerArcadeGames]

I don't know for sure..I tried searching but found info from a year ago saying it doesn't work. Maybe they've updated it, but I really don't know.

[@AndreasGrech]

5:03 In the Cursor Offset tab, how come you left the TV diagonal size as 50"?

[@KillerArcadeGames]

Good question. I'd have to go look on my cabinet to see if its still set like that. I recorded this so long ago, its possible I was still tweaking the settings at this stage. Either way, it works great to this day. The only issue I had was when I moved the cabinet to another spot in that room. It reflected some light from the window. I didn't bother fixing it since its about to be moved into another building in my back yard that's going to be my home arcade.

[@ZachlikesMetal]

I've always used wiimotes, gun accessory and a dolphin bar for my pc and it works pretty well but the Siden Lightgun looks like the best option.

[@KillerArcadeGames]

I think it is. I’m always amazed by how well it works.

[@KimboRice93]

Do you have any tutorials on using wiimotes with light gun games? I’m having a tough time setting mine up in Sega Model 3.

[@ZachlikesMetal]

@@KimboRice93 I don't sorry.

[@mathiboo9291]

Great rewiew, i'm a Big fan of the sinden lightgun myself. I've manage to make It work for a lot of system PlayStation, atmiswave, Naomi, Mame, Sega model 1 and 2, even silent Hill arcade. But i don't manage to make carnevil run smoothly.

[@KillerArcadeGames]

I’ve got a lot of work to do. But someone did offer send me their set up so I may cheat a bit and do that!

[@FhargaZ]

I finally got one and was able to make it work on Windows. 15:00 On my Rpi4 i will try it later when i will had everything ready be ause i need to modify the caseand so on,on that it should be easier to start.

[@TechRyze]

Just got my Sinden yesterday. Works great on the desktop, and I've played Duck Hunt in a large window on the NEStopia emulator. I can't get any full screen application to recognise it, though, so nothing with MAME so far. I'll have to look for some setup guides to find out how I'd get fullscreen apps to work with it.

[@KillerArcadeGames]

That’s an odd issue. I used the bezel pack for MAME with the border built in. But I haven’t used it on other emulators.

[@TechRyze]

@@KillerArcadeGames It needed setting up - since last night I have it working on lightgun games on MAME, but not positional gun games. I’ll get there...

[@jameswaddington9764]

Silly question but cant you just use a line of code ini file linked to the games startup to activate the border. So turn on cabinet, game exe runs so does exe for border. Agree with setup of guns took a little while to dial it in at first but now absolutely sweet. Best buy for a long while.

[@KillerArcadeGames]

I really don't know on that one. Maybe you could? I do like having the graphic borders though so using the packs is best for me in that case.

[@UberNeuman]

If you wanted to add some weight to the gun it looks like there's space inside to put a few mouse weights to give it a bit more heft.

[@KillerArcadeGames]

I kind of like it light, long gameplay periods are easier without the gun being heavy. It’s cool there’s an option for it though.

[@DJHicks]

Good video. Good advice. I too, try to make startup process as smooth as possible.

[@KillerArcadeGames]

Thanks DJ! That was a must for me. My first Arcade1Up mod used to take a good 2.5 minutes to boot and be ready. Now that I've switched to SSD based PCs and better software I'm down to 50-60 second boot-to-play times.

[@gmanuk1986]

This was a very interesting video. I have been debating getting the sinden lightgun for awhile and I think this video sold me on it. I would love to play some house of the dead 1 and 2 with this.

[@KillerArcadeGames]

I’m still happy with them. I played a couple hours of arcade shooters on it recently. It’s fun, I think you’ll enjoy them. I don’t think I mentioned it in the video but I wasn’t sponsored in any way and paid for the product.

[@smash461986]

It'll take atleast 6 months to deliver. Just order and forget

[@iwonderifthisislegal]

Yeah... about 8 months later, I've got mine. So make sure you can be patient. I just received mine 5 days ago. More importantly, I can't get mine to work right at all. So if you order, hopefully the software will be more intuitive, maybe they'll be some updates or something that can get you through loads of the hiccup we run into. Trust me...this video was awesome, but I don't know anyone that's jumped right in and got em going, lol. Especially with the amount of light he has in his room and the marquee as well🤷🏽‍♂️...I'm mind blown that he was able to play.

[@EgaoKage]

Why not an external, analog border then? Maybe LED tape behind an opaque border. Paper or white electrical tape would work, just for testing this out. That could be easily wired to "power-on" mode of a cab. There are some pretty fancy light-diffusing plastics out there too, so I imagine some people will go all out to create a "like-OEM" look. Also, I thought there was a way to tell the gun to look for a specified border color; not always white. So, maybe you could pick a color that both complimented your cab, while not confusing the gun.

[@KillerArcadeGames]

That may work but it would literally always be on the screen. So when I exit the game I'm playing to select another it would cover the game selection screen. I'd also be a little worried about potentially upsetting my guns haha.

[@EgaoKage]

@@KillerArcadeGames True. But I suppose you could hide a toggle-switch somewhere on the cab, which turns it on/off. One advantage to the border being built into the cab, rather than on-screen, would be that it wouldn't be consuming valuable screen-realestate.

[@matthunter565]

Im rewatching this video right now because I finally found a sinden gun (with recoil) on ebay and it should arrive in 2 weeks. Watching this makes me hyped up more :) my Multicade is getting somewhere!

[@KillerArcadeGames]

I hope you like them as much as I do. I should probably share my settings one day, I've heard some people are having trouble getting them to work like I did. I'm sure the environment and the TV brand will make it a little different for everyone though.

[@ijustbevibin0425]

That arcade setup looks so cool

[@Bradman77]

How does this work with American Laser Games? (Mad Dog Mcreee, Who shot johnny rock...)

[@KillerArcadeGames]

I haven't tried those, sorry.

[@mathiboo9291]

It work great with "singe 2" emulator.

[@joareth]

Remember sinden lightguns do not like any type of light obstruction to reflecting on its cameras. I spend weeks wondering my guns werent aiming correctly, almost put them up for sell until i figured it out.

[@robbiej111]

Thanks for the review! Still waiting for mine ⏳ probably because I added recoil to the order

[@KillerArcadeGames]

Awesome, I hope you enjoy them as much as I do.

[@benjamin_toth]

I have the aimtrak light gun and it is very disappointing. After aiming you have to wait a little so the actual crosshair can catch up with your movement, it is lagging way too much and very unprecise. Is this different?

[@bldejong]

How did you get the offscreen reload to work in Area51? These guns have been a nightmare to setup.

[@vintagebluenote8564]

Is there a way for playing with original ps1 and ps2?

[@nbonatsakis]

Mind sharing the size of your screen? Sorry if I missed that in the video, looking to get a feel for realistic standing distance.

[@KillerArcadeGames]

It’s 32 inches. I liked it because 4:3 games are around 25 inches of play area which is similar to arcade monitor sizes.

[@tommorgan8053]

Perfect review. I have a pair as well and agree with your experience and review. Nice job.

[@KillerArcadeGames]

Thanks, I'm glad you enjoy them too!

[@mikekenny1698]

I’ve ordered one just waiting for it in the post now, it’s going to be a nightmare to set up but once it’s done I can’t wait I will play it every day

[@thesimpat]

Nice video! Can you tell me how long you had to wait till you got your order? Currently the website says shipping July 2022, which doesn’t seem that long a wait.

[@nickd1978]

I ordered one June 18th and it was delivered today, August 8th. It was a recoil model, and I’m in the US.

[@thesimpat]

@@nickd1978 Did you get to try it out yet? What are your thoughts?

[@nickd1978]

@@thesimpat It’s great. It takes a lot of tinkering with the various emulators to get all the settings you need but it’s not super complicated. The recoil is incredible, it’s much more intense than I expected.

[@thesimpat]

@@nickd1978 Nice! I'm lookin' to get the recoil versions. What emulators were you able to get it going with, MAME?

[@nickd1978]

@@thesimpat MAME, Demul (NAOMI), Sega Model 2, and PCSX2 so far. Recoil is definitely the way to go!

[@dwayneraimer]

Awesome- great review. Thanks KAG!

[@KillerArcadeGames]

Thanks!

[@naehpmil7951]

Kag, looks great. Where did you buy the Sinden holster? Can you please send me a link?

[@KillerArcadeGames]

Here you go! ebay.us/lMZV38

[@vincenzovieri3743]

Virtua cop, house of the dead, time crisis, point blank, police trainer, carnevil, Area 51 are some of my favorite gun games I’ve ever played. I just wish someone would release these some how on modern tvs and sell the guns with the games, but a remake of all of them with next gen graphics. The best and easiest way is vr for now. I don’t understand why some of they don’t just release the games on vr it least till they can figure out an a plug and play option for us modern consoles. Also, these games sold very well back then so someone give it a try? I’d love to buy a sinden but it’s too complicated for me and I can’t even figure out how to play roms.

[@T-money0985]

Can't wait to get mine!

[@zeelong1589]

Hey Killer, where did you order your carnevil light up marquee from? Im gonna order the complete art from escape pod but wasnt sure if it came with a translight marquee. Thx

[@KillerArcadeGames]

I got mine from ArcadeGameFactory. My favorite marquee maker currently is Retro530!

[@KillerArcadeGames]

You can request a translight print if I’m not mistaken.

[@zeelong1589]

@@KillerArcadeGames ok thanks

[@markmooney8055]

Awesome vid. I got two of these with recoil for my home arcade so I could play Virtua cop and House of the Dead

[@KillerArcadeGames]

Thanks Mark! I really need to get mine set up for those games.

[@chrupcio0]

How did you manage to get carnevil to work well? I’ve been having continuous sync issues when running it through MAME, my fps keeps dropping and the game stutters a lot. It’s the only game that causes me issues 😕

[@KillerArcadeGames]

It sounds like your PC or processor isn’t powerful enough to emulate it. I have a Core i5 4590 running mine. It stutters occasionally but it’s smooth otherwise.

[@FIGHTERSCHOICEArcade]

Extremely awesome dude!!! I might need to make you some custom Gun4IR guns! Possibly one based on a Crisis Zone sub machine gun.

[@KillerArcadeGames]

That sounds interesting! I'd certainly try it out, I'd be glad to return it to you since I'm sure its not cheap lol.

[@TexasHollowEarth]

Awesome comment & offer 👍. I own a couple of Aimtrak guns with recoil & would love to upgrade them to Gun4IR guns. A Gun4IR Crisis Zone smg would be like a dream come true.... huge Time Crisis series fan, here.

[@FIGHTERSCHOICEArcade]

@@KillerArcadeGames I’m planning on making repro and replacement gun shells as I actually have another project in mind but these will absolutely work well as custom shells for any lightgun system. It may be costly but hopefully everything goes well so I can send out some review samples :)

[@fatbelly2438]

give up on mine and resold it on ebay after 3 weeks..couldnt get it to work..

[@SandroSensei]

Is there a lightgun that works on ps2 (for timecrisis and vampire night) that works on modern ps2? So…what I mean is, plug and play on ps2?

[@KillerArcadeGames]

I'm really not sure, maybe check on Aimtrak guns. They might work.

[@SlickNickBA]

Have you had luck with Jurassic Park The Lost World on Sega M3? I've not had much luck with mine. I have a curved screen so perhaps part of the issue.

[@KillerArcadeGames]

I haven't tried it yet but I can tell you never had any luck mapping the controls with my Aimtrak guns on that game. It always got stuck with the crosshairs in the center of the screen moving horizontally.

[@ProjectGenesisMusic]

I got it working with one player but the aim is slightly off to the right which really isnt too much of a big deal. The main problem is every time you unplug guns or restart the pc it switches the gun ids so sometimes its reading as mouse 2 or mouse 3. I made a folder and made a copy of the config file so i have one for if its reading as mouse 1,2,or 3 so if one doesnt work i swap it out for another until it works. Hopefully there is a fix for that soon.

[@SlickNickBA]

@@ProjectGenesisMusic Thanks to you both for the info. I'm still in the middle of Mt build but have been doing some initial testing. Can see now I'm going to have fun configuring everything.

[@iwonderifthisislegal]

Got both of my guns in 4 days ago...after ordering in May of last year ( it's now February 5th 2022 👀 ). They're completely un-usable at this point. Setup isn't bad...but...the cursor is just all over the screen. If you click the anti jitter button, it does nothing ( I was told in discord not to use it as it makes it worse🤦🏾‍♂️ ). The aiming recital in area 51 just flickers and flys up to the left corner...while it just keeps making a reload sound. Trying to increase the screen brightness did nothing. Increase the camera contrast, saturation, etc didn't do anything to help the mouse/ aiming reticle having seizures. It's BAD. Also, u can't get the boarder to pop up in MAME ( but during set-up, it's no problem to hit a button and it pops right up )...i have to use the provided boarder for each game. I was told to use openGL in MAME...and still nothing. I mean, I guess it's fine as long as each light gun game has the custom boarders they provide...but it's not like it matters anyway. Not sure if the cameras are bad or what but both guns are completely un-usable. And fyi...I've done test in a completely dark room with just my arcade cab/game running with the guns and a normal amount of light in the room test like you see in this video. Both are horrible results. I'm truly baffled that this you were able to do anything at all having that much light in the room🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️.

[@KillerArcadeGames]

Hmm…I’m no expert at setting these up. I think I got lucky. Have you tried talking to them on the Sinden discord?

[@Phade101]

I think if you can afford it the recoil is a must, its like having a steering wheel with no ffb.

[@Phade101]

Ordered mine September....still waiting.

[@KillerArcadeGames]

I hope he sells the upgrade kits. I’ll get them for sure.

[@chochanga]

I have my windows 10 pc connected to a CRT TV for retro gaming via emulation. Will this gun work?

[@KillerArcadeGames]

I think it will but you might want to ask the Sinden people before buying.

[@elsevillaart]

Arcades usually uses less performance pcs, does the siden software require more power of cpu?

[@KillerArcadeGames]

I haven't noticed a change in performance personally. There are two instances of Sinden software running at all times but the games still run smoothly.

[@elsevillaart]

@@KillerArcadeGames thank you for the answer.

[@jeffreypeters5578]

Chris which version of mame do you use for rail shooters? and or which version or rom set to get best performance...".OF COURSE I OWN THE GAME BUT MY BOARD IS FRIED"

[@KillerArcadeGames]

I don't use anything specific, I believe I'm using MAME 202 currently.

[@jeffreypeters5578]

@@KillerArcadeGames Thx bro.Keep up the good vids

[@ibrandedhaterdafarno]

Don't see any way to calibrate the gun in area 51. How did you do it? There are no calibrate screens Only the [OK] button works chris, the rest do not. and the crosshair can only be moved with the dpad!

[@KillerArcadeGames]

If the d-pad is all that's working, maybe your MAME settings aren't assigned to the gun? I just checked my cab, in the Area 51 test menu (press F2 on the keyboard to get there) select "Gun Test" and that's where the calibration stuff is. Don't worry about the tracking screen that much, its going to look like its not working since the screen is all white. It will make it harder for the Sinden guns to see the border.

[@ibrandedhaterdafarno]

@@KillerArcadeGames F2 creates a new save state because I'm not using mame. I'm using retroarch. Not the old one with the blue screen - but the newer one. What can you suggest for me to do

[@Virtual_Vinsanity]

Gun games are so good. Still have Two namco guns with my ps2 and crt hooked up in my garage. And about 7 games...no recoil but still satisfying. Game on.

[@ericmadler1543]

Awesome review! I have 2 light guns with recoils in them and they are worth it. Just wondering if you would be willing to share your mame file?

[@tysonclarke012]

Hey dude, what's up with the programming? Just any game that works with Windows?

[@KillerArcadeGames]

It *should* work with any game that uses a mouse and keyboard, or games that allow you to assign those to be used.

[@greywolf7583]

NICE!! is there a chance it works on the Atgames ultimate legend arcade?

[@KillerArcadeGames]

I don’t think it does currently. Someone else asked me and I’m fairly certain I read it’s not compatible at the moment.

[@ijustbevibin0425]

10:19 this game looks cool as hell

[@garogercade7850]

Excellent video. Thanks for making it!

[@KillerArcadeGames]

Thanks!

[@insertmanycoins1752]

Would you mind sharing your mame settings for carnevil I am struggling to get mine to run without stuttering

[@KillerArcadeGames]

Mine still stutters a little. Usually just a quick stutter between "scenes" like before the camera moves and new enemies appear. I use MAME 236 with a new ROM file for that version. Otherwise, nothing else has changed. Heres the PC I use: ebay.to/3owKNai

[@insertmanycoins1752]

@@KillerArcadeGames thanks buddy 👍🏻

[@Valitzu777]

I'm still waiting for mine, according to the guy's last update, I technically should receive them b4 Christmas, not holding my breath 🤣. Question, I'm more than likely going to use this on my TV (Until I have a dedicated Arcade Mame Cabinet) ... the TV is Oled, do you think having that stationary white border may cause burn-in?

[@KillerArcadeGames]

I don’t know on that. I can say my cabinet (which has a regular lcd) has run for probably 48+ hours collectively since I’ve installed these and the border has been on the whole time. I haven’t had any burn in yet. I assume the OLED was expensive, if you’re just using it for short gameplay sessions it’s probably fine. If you want to leave it running for hours and hours you might be better off buying a cheap smaller TV to get you by. They’re so cheap now days, I bought the TV I’m using for $94 during the last holiday deals season.

[@lurkerrekrul]

Does this only work with MAME, or will it work with any program that normally uses the mouse for onscreen aiming?

[@KillerArcadeGames]

It should work with most emulators. I can’t say for sure about the mouse based games.

[@lurkerrekrul]

@@KillerArcadeGames I would think that to the Sinden software, an emulator wouldn't be any different than a native game. When you run a lightgun game in most emulators, they use the mouse for aiming, usually with an onscreen crosshair, which is the same behavior as many native games. This may be a dumb question, but what if you try to use it in a program that's not an emulator or game? Can you control the mouse and left-click on things by pulling the trigger? If that works, I would think that it would work in any program that uses mouse aiming and the left button to fire. If so, you'd even be able to play Touch The Dead in a Nintendo DS emulator, as a lightgun game. Or maybe even be able to (partially) control an FPS game with the gun. :)

[@teneesh3376]

I think it may have been better if they used IR like the wii and it came with an IR sensor. Cause even though the wii was iffy when it came to motion controls, it was great at pointing. Not to mention that there's no white border

[@CHADKANDARIS]

are these made for pc. If I buy one online will it work or do they make the just for pc via usb?

[@KillerArcadeGames]

As far as I know, these are only for PC.

[@cadderley100]

got mine on order yesterday. Should be here by oh... Mid September... 2023... the way thing's are going. Have people really forgotten already that light guns need to be calibrated in game? You used to have to calibrate a light gun every time you turned the game on.

[@KillerArcadeGames]

Hahah hopefully they come sooner than mine did. I'd like to say they're catching up by now but who knows. I think a lot of people didn't know you have to calibrate the guns in the game also. I'm sure its causing a lot of people to complain to Sinden and they have to remind them lol.

[@nickd1978]

They seem to be moving along fairly well. I placed an order on June 18th, and according to his most recent update mine was picked up for shipping this week.

[@salvatoresmisek8918]

I just got mine 3 days ago and still have been unable to get even 1 game working with the SInden Lightgun. All kinds of issues the border doesn't stay it constantly freezes in guns setup menus. Once game starts the border disappears every time. It doesn't automatically pull up a border when you start a game at least I think this haven't gotten any thing to work. No luck on MAME, Dolphin, Teknoparrot haven't bothered with any other doubt it will do much better anywhere else. Not impressed at all feel ripped. Don't waste save your $$$

[@KillerArcadeGames]

Man, that's strange! Maybe try the bezel pack from Sinden on MAME to see if that at least allows you to play MAME games.

[@salvatoresmisek8918]

@@KillerArcadeGames I knew there was some setup to do in Windows which was no issue. Every setup I follow for different emulators I am never able to get the crosshair to show or move. Most of the time there is no crosshair and trigger doesn't respond it just doesn't seem to work. I was so pumped to get it kind of bummed it was such a let down. I drilled holes in My SFII cabinet to have the USB ports up front that makes it even more disappointing I ruined a perfect cabinet for nothing. Main reason I wanted the gun was for House Of The Dead games.

[@KillerArcadeGames]

I probably can’t help much for other emulators, but have you enabled lightguns in MAME settings?

[@salvatoresmisek8918]

@@KillerArcadeGames Yes. TeknoParrot also has enable Lightgun which I have done in that as well. So does the border just come on when you start a shooting game? Just feels like I must be missing a step someplace. Everywhere I read others have good experiences. I have turned on the border but as soon as the game starts it disappears.

[@rileykazama3145]

The blue one is very nice

[@KillerArcadeGames]

Yeah they both have good colors.

[@saschagunther6938]

hi @all, i have only one question about the CarnEvil wich is showen in the backround. It looks really clear. On my PC CarnEvil looks blurred - the written text is blurred. Everything looks blurred. I use Mame in the newest version and i have an nvidia rtx 270 Super. So i hope someone can tell me - what i'm doing rong with the video settings. or somebody can tell me how can i fix my terrible blurred picture. Thanks a lot

[@KillerArcadeGames]

Try changing your video mode to “OpenGL” in the settings. That may help. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eXrLoYqqjsR_rsk

[@saschagunther6938]

@@KillerArcadeGames thanks i changed the settings to OpenGL but the Pictures are Not better. Any Other ideas? Thanks a lot

[@fuelee1246]

How did you automatically load up the border when the game start?

[@KillerArcadeGames]

I use their bezel pack. When MAME boots a game it loads an art bezel that already has the white border attached to it. You can download their bezel pack on their Discord/Wiki.

[@metr0n0me1]

Great review. Do the guns come with the games?

[@KillerArcadeGames]

No. I’ve seen some Chinese products that mostly use Aimtrak guns that will come with games.

[@metr0n0me1]

@@KillerArcadeGames yes I've been looking at the pandora box with light guns. I think I will choose a sinden tho. House of the dead remake looks great.

[@ryangiaccone4485]

Do you still wish your guns had the recoil? About to order these, and debating spending the extra money to get the recoil.

[@KillerArcadeGames]

I do! Although I’ve heard the recoil gets weak after a lot of play. It comes back after it sits for a while but repeated use causes it to get wimpy. But I still wish I had it.

[@deceptionz187]

I havent set mine up yet... how do I know if mine havent come with the exact same camera ID for both guns? Im modding mine and changing the color of the shell and buttons, etc but I dont want to close it back up only to find out I need a replacement part. How did you know yours was not correct?

[@deceptionz187]

???

[@cleetusvandame]

Chris, great review! One thing I'll add is that the issues that Aimtrak users experience , is secluded to LCD displays only. I have mine on one of my arcades with a 25" CRT and I have no issues with lag , distance to screen etc. I do wish Ultimarc would improve them , but I don't believe there is a plan with other LCD gun options out there today. Thanks for sharing! Now please play some operation wolf or thunderbolt lol

[@KillerArcadeGames]

Ah that's right! I remember you told me that once. I'd love to try that out but I sold my Aimtrak and don't have a CRT TV anymore lol. I do need to add more of those older games. I have one of them...I can't remember which one now.

[@zergmare7]

How are you getting the marquee to keep the game on it? When i do it it loses the marquee

[@KillerArcadeGames]

Do you mean the bezels that show up on the left and right of the screen?

[@zergmare7]

@@KillerArcadeGames No no, the marquee you have under the screen. I am using pixelcade, but when i launch a game the marquee disappears.

[@KillerArcadeGames]

It’s an actual marquee. Just a print with a light behind it.

[@zergmare7]

@@KillerArcadeGames I swore I saw the marquis moving like a digital screen

[@KillerArcadeGames]

Maybe the camera focused funny and made it look like a screen lol

[@ginochenard2662]

hi Killer Arcade Games want to buy a Sinden Light Gun mame games already configured and ready to play please

[@KillerArcadeGames]

Archive dot org has a few resources. Search your version of MAME and see if they have something.

[@scow01]

Anyone else experiencing a serious lag in tracking in mame? In windows when moving the cursor it is fairly accurate with only a slight lag where the mouse cursor will only be a little bit behind the gun sites. But in mame im experiencing up to an inch to two inches of lag. Honestly feels like I'm using a wii remote type of lag. Really noticable in any of the bbh games or other games where the target is moving.

[@KillerArcadeGames]

I've never had that happen. Question, does your PC run the games smoothly? Emulation taxes the CPU quite a bit, if its an older PC its possible its being pushed too hard.

[@scow01]

@@KillerArcadeGames everything runs smooth. The system is built for newer emulation so 9900kf, 16gb 3700mhz ram and a 1660ti. But in mame with the sindens I get a noticeable lag in tracking. If I do a quick twitch move the crosshair with snap to where im pointing but a steady sideways swing and the crosshair lags behind like there was a weight attached to it. At this point I'm wondering if this is a newer mame issue .335 or a sinden software issue v1.06. Will be updating to a clean mame install of .339 to just to verify the issue is not with my current mame install.

[@niplusnimoins4365]

hey guys! i just receive mine and was wondering if there is some website where i can just buy games, cause i'm not really into computer stuff and all that emulator and roms stuff is a huge pain for my weak brain... any pay and play links? thanks!

[@KillerArcadeGames]

I wish there was a good place to send you to. Unfortunately there’s nothing like that, not that I know of at least.

[@charthers8903]

What was that game with the cat?

[@KillerArcadeGames]

Revolution X! Its a great arcade game.

[@Ermac97]

Ah man! So basically, this light gun is only for PC/emulation? I was getting excited thinking it could use adapters to use with the actual Dreamcast or PS2... Well, I guess I'll stick my CRT...

[@KillerArcadeGames]

I don’t think it will work with a CRT. But I could be wrong.

[@Ermac97]

@@KillerArcadeGames No, no, you misunderstood what I was trying to say. To put it more clearly; I have a Sega Dreamcast, which uses composite cables to hook up to a TV (CRT generally). I also have an AV to HDMI converter so I can connect my Dreamcast to a modern day flatscreen TV. Since lightgun games won't work on a modern day flatscreen, I thought the Sinden lightgun came with adapters so you could connect it to a Dreamcast or PS2 so that you can play old games on a flatscreen since the Sinden doesn't rely on CRT technology.

[@socojava]

I want to build a Lethal Enforcers cabinet. Am highly technically proficient but don't even know where to begin. Familiar with emulators too but I need some guidance on this. Can anyone help get me going?

[@KillerArcadeGames]

This video covers how to mod an Arcade1Up but you can apply a lot of the info to any cabinet really. It’s very detailed, I put a lot of time into it. People have used it to make many cabs, it might help: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rYLKhql3qbeJpKM

[@jayramos2506]

Does anyone know if they are still taking a year to fulfill an order?

[@KillerArcadeGames]

I don’t know, maybe someone who’s ordered recently can comment

[@nickd1978]

Took less than 2 months for mine to arrive. Ordered June 18th and it was delivered today, August 8th.

[@timtim7348]

Was worried about input lag at least but these guns look like they perform really well

[@raf4106]

can i use it with an old PS1?

[@nickd1978]

No. It’s a modern USB device. If you have an old PS1 and a CRT you should just look for a GunCon.

[@rebeccachambers4701]

Vampire night. Elemental gear bolt etc ninja assault

[@harrycallahan9143]

What the hell are up with these guns? I used them on MAME, played all sorts of games, Operation Wolf, CarnEvil, Shooting Master, Lethal Enforcers, Duck Hunt, you name it...I set them up, calibrate them, all works fine, wonderful, I unplug the guns, play it again 2 days later, load up the software for the guns, go in MAME and what you know all my settings are lost even though the guns working and the softwares loaded up for the guns I have to go back to doing all the X & Y settings, calibrating the guns, trigger buttons, everything for each game again! this is not a one off its done it a few times now, even on the House of the Dead PC remake I have to set it all up again, it can't remember anything...this is shite! what the hell is going on with this software and guns where it can't remember any settings at all? is anyone else having this issue? thinking about selling them, not going through this rubbish every few days, drives me nuts.

[@KillerArcadeGames]

That’s odd. I am not sure if unplugging them can cause that. My guns are in a cabinet style setting so they’re never unplugged. I always tell people to use a dedicated PC set up for theirs, I know not everyone has an arcade cabinet for them though. You can buy a used PC like I use for all of my arcades, ebay.to/3J3Q4Aj Keep it disconnected from the internet and don’t unplug your guns. Otherwise I’d ask the Sinden people to see if there’s a fix.

[@JLMtime]

dose this ini file work on mame 2003 rom set ?

[@KillerArcadeGames]

I'm not sure, but you can always just try it. Back up your original .ini file first.

[@piratesofthedeepweb9873]

Mine are coming in Saturday, I got the recoil. I am so excited

[@KillerArcadeGames]

Nice! Enjoy them. They’re great when they work well. I’ve had a few complain that theirs just won’t work like mine. I’m not sure what is so different.

[@juanc.3372]

the setup process was a nightmare for me it took me hours to get it to work on each game i ended up selling it on ebay maybe in the future it will get better

[@KillerArcadeGames]

That’s a shame, I have heard some complain of this. I was worried but mine were fairly easy to get going.

[@juanc.3372]

@@KillerArcadeGames i was using retroarch and I think that was the problem had a hard time getting romsets for mame

[@ProjectGenesisMusic]

@@juanc.3372 yeah dont ever use mame with retroarch

[@terrycaleb322]

Good job when you going to do another live stream

[@KillerArcadeGames]

Thanks Terry, probably not streaming this weekend. I need some time off from the channel. I'll be back though!

[@terrycaleb322]

Ok my birthday is Next Sunday on the 12th of December

[@tonibahloni920]

What are your setup specs?

[@KillerArcadeGames]

I use a Core i5 4570, 8 GB ram with the on board GPU. Here’s the PC ebay.to/3owKNai