Single Black Men Share Their Experiences Dating in 2021!!! | Ode to Black Love Podcast |

Geramey sits down with 3 single men ( Dee, Day'Quann, and Tae) to discuss what the dating market is like in 2021. We discuss dating apps, societal pressures, dating outside of your race, as well as a few mailbag questions from our single female listeners. Tune in this week for some "problematic" fun.
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[@thelovelylife7451]

I find that dating without intention is a huge waste of time. Life is so short.

[@vanderumd11]

30-50years is not short lol

[@queensunflower2989]

I agree

[@ClowneryAtItsFinest]

My thoughts exactly!

[@gamiegirl4078]

@@vanderumd11 yes it is, because we all only get one life .

[@nellysliferecipes]

Exactly.

[@artofaries1113]

These are the type of guys who would have a woman waiting for 5 to 10 years while they could be out and about talking and fooling with other women. Don't waste your time.

[@vanderumd11]

This can be a major take. I would say 10yrs without commitment is tough.. the family goal must be communicated. I know some women who seem to not be in a real rush to go all into marriage because they have seen parents and step parents not even work out. It's the fear of risk on both sides and small groups of humans just end up chilling for a decade in rotation.

[@christinebryant8354]

You hit it right on the head! Been there done that. The 5 plus year wait. That’s why I tell my daughter after 2 or 3 years keep it moving.

[@BlackGirlLovesAnime6]

Right they are describing men I want to avoid and this is what is pushed as black love. What a joke

[@howdydoody9]

Exactly! He’s doing luxury dates and meeting parents lacking self awareness. You don’t text a woman you’re interested in first thing in the morning after spending your hard earned money on a luxury date? Eww no thank you

[@ThurstMETV]

You must earn this position from a man. You don't get the title of wife just by showing up. You have to add value or the questions will always be "why be with you?" For what?

[@PourLaMourDeLargent]

They basically admitting that they don’t have any intentions, they just collecting women out of boredom or habit (it becomes a routine). Like whet?!! She a whole human with feelings and expectations not an object to preoccupy your time between coffee breaks & video games.

[@PourLaMourDeLargent]

That’s why when you don’t be all up they asss they hit you with the effortless wyd or imy texts.

[@agatabigfataz5570]

result of no father figure

[@gremlingaming4]

@@PourLaMourDeLargent you completely ignoring why they moving how they move because you don’t gaf about what a man deal with concerning women . So stop the women are innocent and men are evil bs say how you feel

[@gamiegirl4078]

@@gremlingaming4 but what their doing dose not make any sense 🤷‍♀️

[@queenbbeaute2654]

This is exactly the game they play tho 🥴using women as objects don't even want us or not ready and want to drag us along out of boredom

[@MissJemima]

The host was immaculate. He let the men speak freely but he also represented women in a honest and non-patronizing way.

[@odetoblacklove3166]

Thank you so much for your response and for watching. We appreciate the love so much 🤎

[@MahaliaA]

I definitely agree! The safe space for both sides is refreshing ❤🙌🏾🙌🏾

[@Denise_Cocoa]

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[@Yannibratcher]

agreed !

[@sarahmmmm]

Yes! I really liked how he challenged them on their assumptions about what they believe women want. I hope they all watch this back and take something from it. Dude in the white hat got it, but not sure about the other two. Most of the disconnect is just everyone protecting their fears on one another instead of just having the necessary conversations.

[@taylorwhite5593]

Most women do not want a man they’re dating to “pay they bills.” These are just the type of women y’all want to date. Y’all be so busy tryna date the IG model types when you know damn well you ain’t got no money 😂

[@InspiredUno]

Men will pursue who they want. End of story. We as women put in too much work, there’s no need to pursue, chase, or try to force a man to date you or date you a certain way. They already know what to do, they just aren’t going to do it for every woman. That’s why it’s important to allow him to set the pace and follow his lead. Healthy men will not move beyond what they’re comfortable with. As women we have to manage our emotions not to get too invested too early and start being demanding and controlling. I wish we could get back to being healthy about dating and not creating more pressure to move too quickly. This has to be balanced too with not allowing it to extend too long either. But, that’s where doing the inner work comes in.

[@khrisstake2210]

This was a good statement. But this IS the problem with dating. Dating should be very short.

[@E.P.7131]

Very well stated!

[@Tan87ful]

I fully agree with you 💯💯👏🏽👏🏽

[@JaeElise]

@@khrisstake2210 who you trying to sell them wolf tickets too ? Dating does not need to be short . Time does matter so people need to take their time . Dating is collecting data on the person you’re interested in. You have to be discerning and strategic with everyone . People show who they are after 3-6 months of dating if they’re tired of putting on this false mask they perceived themselves to be in the beginning. This is why you need to ask important questions and calculate people based off of REAL LIFE sh*t and not about aliens and sh*t. People shouldn’t be flattered in the beginning of dating.

[@khrisstake2210]

@@JaeElise I agree. Asked the deal breaker questions before the first date. Get a background check. Instead of that 3 to 6 month vetting where you only see them for couple hours, spend a few days at their house or yours. Way quicker to understand who they are. Dating should be short

[@marycr1179]

I hear my single friends talk how dudes don’t want to date. They trying to come over eat what you cooked or just Netflix and chill. Do they know how to pursue a woman? Are they interested in real relationships?

[@LisaR139]

Your friends are right, smh. Dating is trash 🗑

[@gremlingaming4]

They don’t trust y’all for good reason that’s why they only wanna do that . Most of you can’t be trusted you only gaf about what you and other females been thru y’all don’t gaf about our experiences with women… that’s why you so confused wondering why they only wanna smash and Netflix and chill

[@queensunflower2989]

💯

[@BjtheLawyer_]

Just find a man interested in getting in a relationship. It’s not rocket science

[@E.P.7131]

Define dating? Going to a restaurant, eating and asking each other 50 questions? I'm in Atlanta, that gets expensive when I can easily meet 8 women a week, then talking, texting, & video calling for a week or two... then when we meet, she's heavier than her pics depict she hid her weight with long flowing clothes, her skin isn't as smooth as her pics, etc. And I feel played because we're already out and I have to pay even though I lost interest before ordering drinks. Then so much is lost in translation when texting about everything. Initially conversations should be on the phone, then in person. Too much texting is disastrous. So no, men don't want to waste our time, money & energy. If we just Netflix & chill we are able to see you in your element, peep how you keep your house (kitchen & bathroom), and women can do the same when they come into a man's space. Also, in a pandemic, it decreases chances of infection from being in public. Not to mention, when men say no to dating it eliminates the women that only want to be treated & have no intention of taking anyone serious, they enjoy the restaurant more than the man's company.

[@Sunny-cj5ic]

You all must be young. If you are feeling her, why wouldn’t you take her on a date? Once again it’s about conversations. You have to let the lady know your intentions and how you plan on dating them. Talk about inconsistency of phone calls/texts. It’s really simple. We have to be open and transparent. And how could you expect someone to be exclusive without you telling her? Tell her so that she can/will.. But this was a great video.

[@GreenyieTyD27]

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@cray3902]

Agree. I’m only 30 minutes into the video but the guys sound so young to me. The problem with both men and women today is we expect perfection physically, mentally, and financially. I would NEVER agree to go to a man’s home as a first date. Not only is it super dangerous but it would give me the impression the man only wants sex and nothing more. Every woman wants to be courted but society (or whoever men have collectively decided to listen to) have taught men that they do not need to impress a woman, Whether that be with conversation or a great date. Sitting in a car as a first date is a no. How about a picnic on the lake or the zoo. Nether of those are expensive. Men are so afraid of being played that they’re playing themselves in the end. The right woman notices your effort whether it’s expensive or not but it’s the effort that counts. Netflix and chill with a stranger or sitting in your car is minimal effort and no one wants that.

[@prettyladie8327]

Omg they sound like a bunch of kids..

[@MrTampaMan]

@@prettyladie8327 These bros are 25+, if they're babies.. yall 45+..

[@prettyladie8327]

@@MrTampaMan lol

[@GreenyieTyD27]

Not all women who want men to provide need to be saved. I think our community just need to be honest about the ppl we choose to go after and give attention to. It’s really tiring constantly hearing men say women only want money and the pool is small when it’s obvious that they continue to attract the same women over and over. Same can be said for women who date bad guys. Something has to give. And what’s wrong with taking a woman on a date if you are interested in her. Building takes effort on both ends. I think a lot of people don’t understand that relationships are so beneficial and are more than a title and labor.

[@miafuller3871]

I totally agree with u- especially ur last point. I think jus by going out really doesn’t mean anything, we’re friends getting to know each other in a public setting. it’s a whole different vibe from being at the crib vs being out, and (no necessarily but,) physical expectations might b different at the crib.

[@GreenyieTyD27]

@@namegirl28 You are right about us being breadwinners but, I believe they are talking about black women but it’s a certain type of black woman which they consistently try to date (i.e don’t have nothing but looks).

[@CharCharJars]

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@gailainsley6939]

You are very correct..women have realised that alot of guys just want to waste their time so its hardened them. This is why most have now become all about the money. Sad but true

[@gremlingaming4]

0 accountability for your actions, blaming men for everything you do wrong saying we cause the behavior. You sound like a child you a grown woman blaming your behavior on others and telling lies while doing so as if every women or most are innocent even if they had a good dude . What you just did is the main problem with “black love “ unaccountable childish females

[@vanderumd11]

I understand and it goes hand in hand with the data suggestion that a small population of men are attracting a large percentage of women.

[@aurielle.g]

Hardened or heightened standards???

[@howdydoody9]

@@gremlingaming4 You have a lot of anger in your words to complete strangers. Your comments are a red flag for a sane emotionally mature woman.

[@debbydooks2241]

@@gremlingaming4 thank you for being the poster child of the problem. Great example of what us women go through with you all. Carry on.....

[@unpopular2]

Wanting To Be Taken Care Of Doesn’t Mean She/He Needs To Be Saved Or She/He Is Broken

[@Tyda777]

0:01 Ladies wait!!! Hell nah, Ladies don't wait for a commitment. He doesn't want to commitment that is his right, so just move on to the next. Sis don't waste your time on waiting on commitment 🤢

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[@normandy2501]

@@destinyschild5768 Even if people think it's forward, I do believe women should just be straight up with that as well. If you know you want to be in a commitment that can lead to marriage, then let that be known at least within the first few dates before 2 months in.

[@eulicehooper6340]

@@normandy2501 and also to your point if a man is actually pursuing if he does not share his initial intentions he may not know. I do expect a man to share his intentions upfront. It lets me know how to move. I am thankful for the guy I am getting to know. I don’t have to question.

[@MrTampaMan]

@@destinyschild5768 Doesn't that go against some women's "probation period "? Many women say 3-6 months to commit on dates upfront.

[@Mskiki1942]

Facts

[@kaylad1669]

“If you gon waste my time then waste your money” 😬 sheeesh! This is exactly what’s been going on with our generation. The fact that nobody on the panel could establish when they would or how they would express exclusivity with a woman when dating is very telling! The gentleman in the blue and red hat was trying to pull it out of them and he explained it very well why women react the way they do when men are not decisive in what they want. Shout out to him because he made the most sense! You should definitely be able to tell a woman that you’ve been dating whether or not you want to be exclusive with her without her having to ask you a multiple times and even without setting her boundaries. Men should express to women what they want from them. Period. A lot of dating issues would be solved with just that notion alone. Stop holding on to ppl you don’t really like just for convenience or access to sex. It never works out for anybody that way. Women have started to drift away from men because of this and I don’t blame them. It’s like “we’ll if I can’t get the commitment from him, then I’ll just get the bag instead”… smh 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@melgood8]

Because he’s married. Peeped the ring. And avatar in the beginning. I agree with you.

[@prettyangel0921]

Yep. I was talking to this guy who just wanted to be "friends" because he wasnt ready for a relationship. I said cool we can be friends and go at your pace. For some reason he assumed I wasnt gonna talk to other guys in the meantime. Had the nerve to even get mad at me. I told him talking does not mean we are exclusive. When we are in a relationship (boyfriend and girlfriend) then we would be exclusive. Words having meaning. Titles have meaning. I move accordingly. 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@vanderumd11]

@@prettyangel0921 wheew yes ... Males have a tendency to be unequal because of being selfish. You just always want a woman to say first if they are having sex with other dudes. It's usually not the talking thing that hurts like the physical. A lot of work is needed in the community

[@kerrye83]

It's because you haven't provided enough or the value he is looking for to lock you down. I see a lot of women with this issue and it's on you! you entered a relationship with a man without setting proper expectations of what you want or boundaries. Most men will shit or get off the pot when you are clear in your intentions but understand in today's dating market, if you are doing well as a man (good job, confident, charismatic , you have the leverage on women. Women wanted this so you got it... a deregulated dating market.

[@kaylad1669]

@@kerrye83 no lol I make my boundaries clear from jump, the problem is that men do not do the same. They can be very vague or misleading and then don’t understand when women get hurt by that. I don’t stick around for the bs, but if I am, I most certainly want to be compensated for my time. That’s what my comment is about. Women who stick around for the niceties a man can provide in lieu of a real commitment because they might as well get something out of it if they’re not getting the honesty and commitment they’d prefer. Women shouldn’t have to leave you in order for YOU to determine how you are going to treat her. That’s your job to clarify! Stop dodging accountability and tell women if you want to be with them or not. After that, yes the rest is up to the woman.

[@Realtalknewyorkwithjanique]

This is why women must be getting compensated for your time and body! They are looking for someone to use! They go from Woman to woman for a good time with no intentions for those women!

[@jessicamarie9304]

This whole conversation is the reason I’m single . It’s honest confusion. I feel this is why women require so much from men up front because down the road they (him) control commitment & relationships & can make you feel all the feels but y’all still kicking it 6 months in. What will they have to show from it all; the time , sex, emotions invested. All to find out we’re just cool. It’s sad that We live in a time where everyone feels like they have so many options and so much time . It’s like no. Situationships at its finest. I appreciate the dialog though. I really just miss the days there was no social media . 😣 Moral of the story . Meet a husband ready for a wife. Dating will come .

[@xiaolongbaoenthusiaist457]

This is why women need to have HIGH standards and FIRM boundaries. No more allowing males to disrespect and waste your time….cause they will not hesitate to do you dirty and lead you on. They just said so themselves.

[@chaneljai4804]

Sis I completely agree with you and I’m beyond over it. Really getting content in my singleness.

[@ZariDV]

It was genuinely appalling to hear someone admit that they can get so complacent and checked out while engaging with a woman that you forgot that you'd started courting her and instead started wasting her time. Like the fact that he didn't even have the respect to speak with the young lady and state that "Hey this isn't going to go anywhere serious" rather than stringing her along. I've seen more respect, self awareness, and gentleman-like behaviour from my 15 and 17 year old ex-boyfriends back in high school. It's like the maturity of some men have been severely stunted. To then have the nerve to think you're at all ready to date a woman is true audacity. It's so wishy-washy and immature. The fact that a woman ever had to ask you what her status or your intentions are after 2 months is disgraceful. At that point you need to stay single until you get it together. I feel so bad for American women if this is the what the dating pool looks like because holy fuckin yikes.

[@jessicamarie9304]

@@ZariDV I completely agree! Like I feel like if men would just lead with their true intentions from the beginning us women would move accordingly. Instead they move with what women want to hear and after they get the prize the real intention comes out . Like literally, it’s insane

[@ReciMT]

When dude said "Coffee Date" that told me enough right there. All the stuff these men are saying is overly exaggerated. And it seems like the are not in tune with reality. The reality is, quality women don’t want them. So the keep attracting the same “prototype” of women. In one breathe they say, these women want you to save them and they don’t want that. But then they say she says “I don’t need a man” and she too independent. Help me understand. They want a woman to not be “saved” which is really weird to even say that and then they don’t want here to be too independent to feel like she doesn’t need him. You don’t want her to need you for anything but want her to need you? I’m confused. I see why they single

[@MrTampaMan]

They're speaking about their experiences. Can't reject their words. Your last part is conflicting to me. Everyone wants to be needed, in some way that compliments each other.

[@prettyladie8327]

I agree..it sound like CAP 🧢…ain’t no quality woman that is well off would deal with such foolishness…It makes me wonder did they have active Fathers, & if so, to what degree

[@FirstnameLastname-vi7hm]

They don’t know what they want.

[@hrrspaul4]

This is why 61% of black men are single and childless l felt no male energy just a bunch of emotional feelings…if the host said l feel like one more time l was ready to throw my damn phone…women are not attracted to the BS…This is why men who exude masculine traits which is less than 20% of men get 80% of the women…single mothers raise the men they eventually hate…

[@aliyahharmon9045]

Yeah I could never bring men like this home and just the way they dress I’d be embarrassed to be walking around with them let alone giving them the time of day. They’re not getting quality women because they’re not men of quality

[@BlazinStreets]

These men are where I was before in my dating phase before I met my wife. So I have my reasons why I got married. 1. You gotta be comfortable with yourself regardless of the outcome. Therapy and understanding how to be vulnerable is major for us men. 2. Dating with intentions is key. If you’re serious about finding that someone, your actions will follow through on that very easily. 3. The woman who keep things simple is the one that you should pursue: Easy to talk to, easy to read (facial expressions, body language) and has no problem reciprocating efforts. 4. Safe space. Having a safe space with a woman is so powerful and when you find it, you’re home. When you can share it among each other it just makes you want to pour into her that much more.

[@noirefit5954]

I wish more men thought like this

[@d.kj.n1392]

☝🏾this!!

[@AmaraReyal]

Very wholesome.... I hope they really understood their contradictions, so they can take real action and change.

[@therealsouthernbelles]

Girl BLK men you talking about. That won't happen date out your race

[@rsppj9122]

@@therealsouthernbelles WOW!!

[@khrisstake2210]

@@therealsouthernbelles why would you show up with this comment?

[@Zikomo7]

@@therealsouthernbelles I’m so proud of us seeing the forest for the trees

[@sakpase88]

@@therealsouthernbelles 😂 😂

[@noirediamonds241]

I wanna meet these women who are running around expecting to have their bills paid by men they don’t know… it’s sounding like an exaggeration tbh.

[@normandy2501]

They're probably only talking about the IG/Only Fans types that are mainly looking to hustle, but it does remind me of the video of an older guy bragging that his woman never paid for anything she had for herself. Realistically that's just less likely to happen for people living in 2020/2021 vs the 60s and 70s.

[@MrTampaMan]

Been there a few horrible times. It's not a exaggeration, No use to meeting them.

[@gremlingaming4]

Keep playing stupid like you don’t see materialistic women everywhere and you will keep seeing men who don’t take you seriously… these games go both ways girl

[@therealsouthernbelles]

They don't have any money and it's definitely exaggerated. A woman expects them to pay for a date and they will say she a gold digger 🥴🥴🥴

[@30jersey478]

No mam. Some of these women really do exist. Long story short, I exchanged numbers with a chick and she curved me. Later on, I found out she basically had a sugar daddy. The guy was at least 20 years older. I saw them together twice. She is not an IG model. She's a regular BW that has a good career and makes her own money but wants someone to spend money on her. Looking back I'm glad she curved me.

[@kendraphic87]

While they are Netflix and chilling, they are creating children in this toxicity..with women they don’t desire to really be with or commit to. Glad I’m single beloved.

[@theeamazingkrabb5358]

Exactly. Pump and dump culture usually leads to broken homes and babies outta wedlock.

[@TheWinnie42]

Say it again !!

[@mamamack1024]

Facts!!! But then the next guy judge the woman for having a child. So it becomes a horrible cycle. I’m older and I still say if they want to mash or just lay up “say that” a few women will go for it. But instead they damage the decent women and then leave them with ‘baggage’ and it’s sucks that only black men treat black women this way (openly). Other cultures respect their women and protect their women!!! 😮

[@khorediathiam1976]

“I’m tryna be something I never seen before “ wow I think that line didn’t get enough of a spotlight 👏🏾👏🏾because that is the reality of many of us. Men and women. More of these pleaseeee

[@melaniecebardleymcknight3965]

When I was dating, my preference for a first date/meet and greet was coffee shop, ice cream parlor, or cupcake shop. It only takes a total of 10 mins to gauge interest, attraction, and to consume a drink or dessert

[@JayDaReactor]

Yeah do something slight the first date, conversation and once you see if it’s a go or no then either pursue or go separate ways

[@MzSam2U]

I definitely liked this show. When the question was asked about when to tell her she the one or girlfriend! They all stumbled over the answer. I think A Lot of men are dating without intention and it is a waste of time for men and women. I believe in telling people upfront what you want. You might be surprised I might want the same thing if you just upfront.

[@AlliFromTheValley007]

BLACK WOMEN we deserve better than this. do not settle. pay attention to what they are saying. run when you see these red flags. men like this will wait too long till they are old and settle with someone and miss the one who got away or die alone.

[@MelaninPoppin__]

The host kept using the term “courting” but they have NO IDEA how to do so. Yet they want to be courted. 🥴

[@misterwoosah5862]

Respect to the young men, but there is room to grow. I appreciate them coming on camera and sharing. I hope they look back and learn from this. Intentions need to be clear.

[@jasminejohnson4707]

Lmao wait, they offering coffee and chic-fil-a for a first date lol! After weeks of conversation and FT calls? I’m cracking up.

[@Denise_Cocoa]

Girl 😂😂 I’m 32 dating older men and recently had to pass on that same offer. At this big age, you need to put some effort into dating. It’s an investment. But, men pay for what they want and see value in. That’s why I try not to rush the first date, to establish a connection and value

[@donte3di]

What’s more important the date or the person?

[@godsdaughter1264]

😐…… chile The best thing I got from this video is what NOT to entertain

[@champagnemami5161]

Factzzzzzz

[@nicolenicole1105]

It was a hard pill for me to swallow that no matter how you slice it, men want to be attracted to their spouse and they want peace. Being overweight and stressed all the time would never be acceptable even though I was/am successful and responsible. With that being said, I wish men would understand that women do not want to compromise on security. Trying to rationalize not being able to provide and make decisions for a family will likely be met with contention.

[@ChrissyAnn85]

Even if you’re attractive and in shape men will still step out on their wives and girlfriends with mediocre out of shape chicks on the side lol.

[@nicolenicole1105]

@@ChrissyAnn85 I agree with that. I hope you don't think my comment was aimed at how to prevent a man from cheating. A man who wants to cheat will cheat. My comment is about what men and women in essence are attracted to regarding the opposite sex. Women generally want security and Men generally want peace and beauty. When pple can't bring what the opposite sex desires, they try to say they shouldn't have to bring it in the first place. 🤷‍♀

[@christinac.3973]

@Nicole Nicole …well said! 🎯

[@marvinpercival4820]

@@ChrissyAnn85 all men cheat go find ur jesus and leave us alone.i have money houses and business no woman help me to achieve that so why should i be serious because u r young and pretty.that dont pay my bills r add to my account .

[@joyblessing2011]

Well said. I can relate 💯. Definitely was my reality…

[@Nykesia]

I watched a video yesterday where black and white women were asked would they date a men who didn’t have any money or less money than them and the white women unapologetically said no while the black women’s answers revolved around building a man up. That stark difference is a direct reflection of how non black women are socialized compared to black women and that socialization comes from the men within those communities. The reason you will only ever see black men having these discussions is because non black men base their manhood on the resources they can obtain for their community and wether or not they can provide for their families. There’s a severe lack of male leadership in our community that has left a lot of black men (obviously not all) but a good chunk of them who simply don’t know what manhood is and have no idea how feminine it makes them look to constantly tell the world their issue with women who seek financial security in a man. I really feel bad for the black women who believe these types of conversations, desperately wants a black man and refuse to widen their dating options because the goal post is going to continuously be moved. The comment made about a woman wanting someone who makes 7 figures stood out to me because often times you hear these men say this but they never mention the type of women requiring financial security. It’s not the everyday woman who demands that, it’s a woman who possesses a certain look that wealthy men desire and pursue. (Like the saweeties of the world) The three men in this video who were complaining about hypergamy are not the type of men those women want and that’s their issue because they want those women. In the same way they feel a woman shouldn’t desire a man who makes more money than she does, they shouldn’t desire a woman who’s hypergamous. Go where you’re wanted and find your equal because the men who can meet the 7 figures criteria, aren’t complaining about it. Don’t be mad at them for setting expectations that you can’t meet. If you’re mad at the men for leading with their money in relationships, that means you’re in the wrong arena. You can’t compete with those men. Find your lane. There’s plenty of women out here who don’t require a man to make a lot of money or even more money than them especially black women but these men don’t want those women. Which is why as soon as they get a little bit of wealth they go on to date, marry, and procreate with the very group of women who are socialized to seek financial security in a partner. Statistically most black women in relationships to black men make more money than them but also statistically most wealthy black men are not married to black women so there’s a huge contradiction being that this it the only male group who publicly criticize women who expect them to be providers. In one breath we’re told we’re too independent, too masculine, don’t need a man and we should’ve chose better but in another breath we’re told our standards are too high and we’re gold diggers. Which one is it?

[@odetoblacklove3166]

INTERESTING!!!!

[@AngelHxze]

Girl, you hit the nail on the head! It's so embarrassing to see men complaining about being expected to be providers. My father never complained about having to provide for his family and he never failed to do so either. My siblings and mother did what we had to around the house as well and didn't complain or contest his authority. That dynamic would have been so different if he had the mindset of men these days.

[@Dr.GD4]

I believe it goes both ways. I agree with a few of your points, though. I'm a 28yo black male physician and my current girlfriend is biracial (black/white), just to put things into perspective. Yes, amy black men do grow up without a father figure, thus don't quite know what it takes to be the man of the household and don't understand the responsibilities. Not all men can solely provide 100% in today's economy. The average black man earns $45k and the average white man earns 55-60k. The reason white people aren't having this discussion is because most white men had a father figure to emulate and provide discipline when appropriate. They also saw how respected the father was from the mother. Without this dynamic, which is the case in many black households, there will continue to be black men who don't understand how to be a responsible father figure. As a black man, we need to do better on that front. Now with black women, since many households are run by single women, they need to be the men of the household (masculine). A lot of the masculine energy is translated to the daughters as a result of watching the mom. Many black women today can come off as aggressive and masculine which is a turn off.

[@Dr.GD4]

Lastly, I plan to provide 100% for my family since the career I hold will allow me to do so. My standards for the woman I chose were very high. My thing is people should stay in their respective lanes. If you are an average man, you get an average-looking woman, etc.

[@sunkissed6413]

After listening to this conversation I’d rather be single for the rest of my life!

[@aceazar2806]

Watch Tony Gaskins videos sweetheart

[@donnahouston6958]

@@aceazar2806 Yes Tony Gaskins Or Rc Blakes

[@aceazar2806]

@@donnahouston6958 Yup! Those two are my go to! I don’t know any other men on their caliber. If you find another teacher as worthy of being on a list next to their name (men or women) let me know

[@ChocolateTruffle98]

I really appreciate the host keeping the an objective women’s POV relevant in the conversation. It made the content digestible and led me to be more open to the men’s POV. Some similarly formatted podcast I’ve seen end up being one sided with the women’s POV only being mocked or misrepresented.

[@sippsation4459]

He is married so I see why he kept the women's POV relevant.

[@kyathecreative]

This was a great video giving insight on this current generations struggles & mindsets. I pray these men will break the cycle. We need more fathers, husbands, and partners that will carry & raise the younger generation up.

[@xiaolongbaoenthusiaist457]

Males have a completely different set of standards for themselves compared to what they want from women. Most men are not interested in being better boyfriends, better husbands and better fathers.

[@therealsouthernbelles]

Wait until engagement ladies. Until then date and date out of your race too . More options

[@damonenthusiast8624]

Stop lying to these women.

[@TuscanWonder]

I always got the impression that because there are so many options, many men don't want to commit. I haven't got through the whole interview but I know that this is left unsaid many times, but people choose not to be forthcoming because they don't want the missed chance of access to somebody that they're physically attracted to.

[@bclassy871]

😤 it’s the OPTIONS with Social Media you have access to people you won’t see everyday and a lot of men don’t want to commit.

[@vanderumd11]

@SMB Girly Girl yes many communities are pushed to go at marriage differently. The fear of risk isn't stronger then their families pressure.

[@vanderumd11]

@SMB Girly Girl in my circles literally 75% of my frat Bros families said. Married with kids by 25. Doesn't matter if that young girl is perfect. They want grandkids

[@vanderumd11]

@SMB Girly Girl yes sure. The reality is most of them have been divorced once or twice over the last 10 years. These were predominantly European dudes. Grabbed and married some girl we went to school with. I will admit two of them knew they were dealing with some trash women .. they still went through with it. It's difficult for sure and still I've run across a lot of women who suffer from some type of depression.. it's impossible to make them "happy" they are torturing themselves mentally because they "wish" things were different or easier

[@Denise_Cocoa]

It’s options and unrealistic expectations from social media. A specific archetype is promoted on social media and men want what they want based on the physical, so automatically a lot of “normal/average” women are overlooked

[@Denise_Cocoa]

“Only dead fish go with the flow.” Be intentional, but let it be organic. That’s with everything in life. But have FUN. People think being “serious” takes the fun out of dating, so they run from commitment. People are dating from a scared/defensive mindset and one wrong move or miscommunication, they’re ready to cut you off (Guilty lol). We gotta realize we’re on each other’s team, and not enemies 💛

[@zol2415]

I like these spaces where men can be honest with each other. I think marriage is so important and we have to heal as a community so it can happen more. I really enjoyed this video.

[@CrystalNicoleLSW]

Did they just say they don’t take women proper dates because it will lead them to think they are in a relationship????😂😂😂😂😂 oh lord.. no wonder they can’t find quality women bc they wanna do coffee dates and couch meet ups. No quality women is going to go for that.. they trippin 🤦🏾‍♀️

[@laurawilliams4087]

Right!! that part had me laughing this generation of "men" is sad. These are the same type of dudes that expect sex from you and dont even want to tak you out on a proper date. I rather be single than waste my time with these type of dudes.

[@prettyladie8327]

Girlllllll, likeeee….the one in the gray is destined for greatness tho..

[@marvinpercival4820]

Quality woman loool 😃

[@howdydoody9]

@@prettyladie8327 no he’s not. He’s actually the most chaotic one his vocabulary is just better than the two on the couch.

[@prettyladie8327]

@@howdydoody9 lol, maybe so..I mean he expressed the desire to be a provider etc, tried to see some good in him lol..Truly all three sound like women..

[@tonaejefferson2312]

First time watching your podcast. Great interview. Would you consider doing this with older/mature men? By the responses I can tell they are maybe late 20s. Can we see this done w men in their mid 30s to 40s?

[@odetoblacklove3166]

Yes we plan to try to find an older group to do this with as well. The older generation is a lot more private so that may present a few challenges.

[@misterwoosah5862]

@@odetoblacklove3166 Where are y'all?

[@just_queen_che6706]

My thoughts exactly...just kept saying how old are they?! Can't be over 30 saying things like I'm not taking her on dates. How the hell else yall getting to know each other? How a woman supposed to feel comfortable with you coming to your crib...same way you don't know her she doesn't know you. That's so cringey. This convo went from the meeting stage straight to serious stage. Intentions of what both parties want is so important. Your intentions should be solid regardless of the person. It's the foundation of how you move in order to get what you want. Lead with your intentions and men fail to set intentions

[@kaylad1669]

@@just_queen_che6706 facts… that’s what they were failing to realize! Intentions matter and even more so stating your intentions and then acting on those intentions would solve most of the dating problems today. Much love ❤️🙏🏽

[@sandracharite4355]

I agree. I think this was a great conversation but not relatable to me because they are not in my age group.

[@msve3730]

Put it this way. Who you intrested in is not intrested in you Who your not intrested in is intrested in you

[@CourtChanelle]

Thanks for sharing very insightful! Appreciate all the guys that participated. One takeaway for me was when one of them mentioned marriage is a great thing and should be desired because it gives discipline in a world that says do what you want…because at the end of the day…do what you want does not help you grow into the person you want to be. That shed some light on why you should hope for marriage. Thanks for sharing again!

[@forevershyneice_]

Dating is just hard in general because when a good women comes along we aren't recognized and we are a lot of times looked over and fckd over. We can be koo tryna build all of that. And still not get treated special or taken on dates. We are overlooked Smh

[@bxcutie4life2007]

This guy called a basketball game and insomnia cookies a "luxury date" uhm ok. Lol

[@summertillery7158]

This was an amazing contribution. Shout out to all the panel for being open and honest. Oftentimes these conversations are not had in such a constructive way. Ummm I also feel like black women have to get use to listening to our black men when they open up. Y’all honesty and vulnerability is priceless. In the absence of our fathers some of us don’t know how a man moves.

[@SheilaTrueLove]

I've been married 2.5 times, and trust me when I tell you, being SINGLE is so much more PEACEFUL, and Waaaay BETTER. I DON'T have to do ANYTHING I don't FEEL like doing. That's one of the main things I LOVE about being SINGLE. I NOW have JOY, FREEDOM, BETTER HEALTH because STRESS was removed, NO MORE ACCELERATED AGING, A HOME THAT STAYS CLEAN, and so much more to be GRATEFUL for. Some marriages may be o.k. but there is no such thing as a PERFECT MARRIAGE and because of that you are going to go through a lot of DRAMA, DYSFUNCTION, ARGUMENTS, Having to Put up with someone else’s MOOD SWINGS and ATTITUDES and you're going to have to do a LOT of things you may NOT FEEL like doing. MARRIAGE to me was HELL. Also, more importantly REMEMBER, when God put the FIRST Two people together, Adam and Eve, they were BOTH PERFECT People. That doesn't EXIST anymore. People CHANGE over the years. I know I have. You could wake up one morning sleeping next to a total stranger or a DEMON after a few years. Every woman DON'T want to get MARRIED. Not every woman wants a BALL and CHAIN they have to be SUBMISSIVE to. In other words, you have to REDUCE yourself back to being a CHILD....We had to be SUBMISSIVE to our PARENTS when we were children, now when you get MARRIED you have to go RIGHT BACK into having to be OBEDIENT or SUBMISSIVE to some Dude...A LOT of MATURE, INDEPENDENT, ADULT, MENTALLY and EMOTIONALLY HEALTHY WOMEN are NOT INTERESTED in SIGNING on for that. Like I said previously, I HAVE NOTHING BUT PEACE, JOY, A HOME THAT STAYS CLEAN, NO ARGUMENTS, BETTER HEALTH DUE TO LESS STRESS, NO MORE ACCELERATED AGING, I DON’T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING I DON’T FEEL LIKE DOING, AND FREEDOM TO COME AND GO AS I PLEASE AND SPEND MY MONEY AS I SEE FIT! LIFE DON’T GET ANY BETTER THAN THIS FOR ME. I LOVE being a FREE SPIRIT…

[@jaijai5250]

I’m with you 100%. I raised three children alone. Only one is still home, but when she was at university; and I was living alone; and it was pure bliss. There is immense peace, joy and contentment with living a simple life. Having a beautiful , clean home is wonderful. Waking up in the morning and the kitchen is still clean. I cook exactly what I want to eat. I go for walks and do stretching. Life is even better for me because I took early retirement last January. I’m amazed when people ask me “what do you do?” I’m blessed in that I know what makes my soul sing, so I’m never bored, and I love my own company. A lot of people judge you by their own standards, and think that every single person is lonely, lost and depressed. They assume everyone is like them. I have everything I need. I have a relationship with the heavenly Creator, I have my health and strength, I have my south facing back garden, in my beautiful south London, Victorian home; and I have sweet reggae music. HalleluYah

[@hello_04]

I feel every single word of your statement sheesh that’s the truth. The time to focus on my health and growth instead of catering to a mans moods and needs and EGO smh. No thanks. People act like being married is an accomplishment not an additional chore. My personhood needs no make cosignment!! I love your comment

[@filmfestivalradio1]

Thank you Ms. Sheila. Right there with you on every point!

[@miszsaii24]

I know what you mean. These men are lazy. We work just like they do. Therefore, men should help with laundry, dinner, cleaning. Let’s go 100/100 not 50/50. Then be wanting p***y. No! I’m tired!

[@MrTampaMan]

@@miszsaii24 That's basic help to me ,even after working 60+ weeks in a hospital.

[@tk4l210]

Here’s my question??? They just said women ask them what are we is too bold? Then complained that women assumed they were more based on how they treated them on dates? So wouldn’t it be better for you to just have an adult conversation? Communication is key, proper communication can help avoid conflict…

[@kimchristopher8094]

Great to see black men having open, honest, positive and productive conversations! The host provides a great example from a married man’s perspective on the positivity of true love! Absolutely awesome!! Day. Quan’s clear and precise responses really shows confidence and a level of maturity! Great job sir! I randomly stumbled onto this video and it was a good watch 😊 kudos to all!

[@sblogan07]

This was such a refreshing conversation. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 to these young black kings. Each of them are at different stages in this journey of life and relationships, however they are all building a solid foundation for strong Black Love and manhood. Congrats to them and this platform!

[@iamsheysaint5715]

I literally seen the title, and clicked, SUBSCRIBED!! I loved this topic and the way you men freely spoke. Continue to be authentic and free honestly speaking on real topics: black KINGS… 💜 💜

[@ronneishar1]

Shoutout to the host! He did a great job conveying the challenges we currently experience dating! Overall, I enjoyed listening. Definitely sharing with friends!

[@SoIcyCreations]

Thanks guys! 💜 I enjoyed listening !!

[@healthgurl_taca]

Much need conversation. I love authenticity in the guy’s response. Glad to now know assertiveness is a turn off. Needed this

[@daniella8400]

This was refreshing! We need more of this in our community!

[@Kingme1love]

I appreciate the transparency, it takes guts! The host was deadon too, thank you fellas we hear, see, need, & want you know that ❤

[@aashmusicnow]

I had such high hopes for this conversation that I randomly stumbled upon. Never heard of your podcast before. But the part where he says “just bc we were on a date, women think we’re dating now”… why are you taking women out on DATES if we’re not dat-ING!? I’m so confused. All these single men don’t really want to date then. I concur with every comment below. Y’all be “dating” with no intentions, and that’s just not dating at all. That’s you just tryanna find a friend with benefits. And if that’s the case, be honest about that. They said they wanna ultimately find a black women to make them complete but don’t make the steps to do that. Uhm, yes y’all are TF confusing, bc how does that make sense. Y’all want commitment without being committed. That’s really what this whole convo showed me

[@odetoblacklove3166]

Ooooo! Thanks so much for your feedback. We’ll be doing a part three and we definitely plan to bring this to their attention to see what they think 🤎

[@patricerenee1717]

In all honestly this is largely a Black man issue. All men can play but at the end of the day most grow and mature past that. BM forever in Peter Pan Mode. Or when they settle down it’s. Something like… “my woman taught me…she showed. Me… “. All BS. If you’re a MAN. MAN UP period.

[@noirefit5954]

@@patricerenee1717 I COMPLETELY agree! I’m 27 and I’m almost at the point of giving up on them for good. I keep attracting men that see me as a mother figure and I don’t like that at all.

[@bollagurl]

@@patricerenee1717 I agree. The white men have been way more forthcoming with what they want in a relationship with me, it’s been clear , no games. Yet I keep waiting for BM to come around

[@eliottmorst]

but he aint say that tho.....they just went out......thats it.....he was being nice........a good man takes a woman out a few times dont make it a date.....its hanging out with the opposite sex...thats all

[@lovepeacerecycl2056]

Love the topics of conversation in this video. It’s refreshing to know there are still men out there who want real connections and relationships. Well done gentlemen!

[@TA-tj8hd]

This conversation was so genuine. We need more of this. This one made me want to be in a relationship, again.

[@eve_339]

loving the topic and convo brothas. so great to hear your voices and how you feel about maneuvering expectations and your desire for black love. xoxoxoxo

[@healingissexy]

This was a really great conversation. Well done and thank you everyone for sharing 🖤

[@msphil4life]

Loved this open and candid discussion!! Thanks gentlemen 💕

[@royattarussell8130]

All the guys in my family are dark skin men they all have Mexican women so to listen to you talk about how u want a black woman is mind blowing

[@stbnetwork149]

its because they are lying. Have you ever seen other races make entire videos about problems with black women like they do to black girls. do you see mexican men making entire videos about problematic latinas no. Remember Black women only can be loved by eachother everyone else wants to see us dead

[@Thatbul]

@@stbnetwork149 go to therapy. Most people marry within their culture, last week a black women made a post saying that black men do date black women, if you don’t experience it, you’re just ugly. She not lying.

[@alona724]

The discussion about insecurities was real. I appreciate the honesty.

[@shakera02]

Excellent dialogue! My favorite point made, "The quickest way to destruction is no discipline. Always feeling like I can do this (just) because I can do it. Being able to abstain away from certain things, there's beauty in that." ~ Day'Quann. Ode to Black Love Good stuff Gentlemen.

[@beelovesfreedom]

Now this the content the community needed

[@latoniaw.4252]

I absolutely LOVED this!!!! It was so refreshing to hear and see a panel of handsome young black men speak so intelligently about life and relationships, and actually WANTING to be married. I’m praying for you men and your future wives. Be blessed ❤️🙏🏾

[@odetoblacklove3166]

We’re so happy that you enjoyed it ✨🤎

[@brittanythomas7217]

All of us don’t want u to pay our bills. We just want to be loved. It’s the social media women who have that mentality. Us regular women just want a good dude with great character.

[@ebonyhinton5541]

Thank you for sharing, guys.

[@theunjadedg]

this was a very beneficial conversation watching as a woman, it gave me a different perspective and more understanding from a man's point of view.

[@CrystalNicoleLSW]

This is my first time watching the podcast. I’m only half way through the video and I had to subscribe. This is good content and the host has very good questions👏🏾👏🏾

[@jannahumar336]

Subscribed!! And I just started the video lol 😅 thank you for giving us a little insight into black men's minds 🙃Gonna search for the podcast too! I'm totally a supporter 👏

[@glitter2glitz21]

This was real insightful and I needed to hear this. The coffee date guy nailed it with that question, I don’t want to be seen at night only. That one question about how should a women know if a guy is trying to take them serious had them tied though 😂.

[@Empower3d]

I’ve learned from my experiences that we have to take responsibility for who we choose, But not total! We have to do a better job molding and prepping ourselves for a partner. Actually taking the time to mend our traumas. Men and women. I think if the women you’re encountering always want their bills paid, maybe it’s you whose choosing the icing than the filling.

[@staceofstylesg8958]

These men are clearly young. The host gave great leading questions, however, the men have no clear intentions. It’s pretty much go with the flow. The man with the gray hat said it best-“WOMEN SHOULD HAVE BOUNDARIES”. The ball is always in our court.

[@steelheartg]

Stumbled across this podcast and glad I did. Great episode

[@ninaoffthegrid]

The last part about honesty was spot on!! I can’t do nothing but respect honesty. This was a good segment, the host did a great job of not being biased on either side and also making the guest feel comfortable but also not agreeing to everything they said. This wasn’t a bad group of men I think they are all on the right track and as they continue to mature they will make some great husbands and men in society. I hope if they didn’t get anything else from this that they got to be honest and date with intentions whether that be to just date to mess around or your dating to look for a wife.

[@yoshix8441]

If I could like this three times I would! I love the vulnerability and honesty... Black men are Kings! ❤

[@MightyIntellectual]

What I took away from this video: #1 Many men are confused about what they want + there seems to be little self awareness. You attract what you are fellas. #2 Too many of us are trying to protect ourselves from hurt instead of just loving freely. #3 People are holding on to past trauma instead of seeking therapy. #4 We all need to set boundaries during the courting phase to help with the confusion + be HONEST about what you want.

[@odetoblacklove3166]

Those are great takeaways 🤎

[@tasheers2282]

This was a great concept and every though parts of the discussion was cringey with these confused dating perspectives it was still a good conversation.

[@nik-at-nite]

We need more of these convos. I definitely don’t agree with everything being said and there were some moments of hypocrisy and contradiction BUT it was still a healthy convo. I also appreciate you calling these men out on some of those contradictions because we don’t have enough men doing that. At the end of the day, we all start from somewhere and require growth. 5 years down the line they may be singing a different tune.

[@munix9351]

This is a wonderful piece for women to learn from. Majority of these men are lonely and want to just hang out. A man taking you out on a luxury date does not mean he has money to afford you as a luxury wife. It's his way of making you think "he is the shat". What do you do. Go for that first date, but make him wait for that second date because he is taking all five girls out on dates. Don't get attached to any of these men till he walks you down the aisle A lady called Salkis Re has a video called being "a girlfriend is a scam". Xx

[@brittneypine6628]

I honestly can’t remember the last time I’ve heard a black woman say “I don’t need a man”. These days when I say I want a good man it’s my Latina girlfriends who say they don’t need a man. This was a good interview though.

[@KeenaButtah]

it's truly an old outdated rhetoric and i rolled my eyes when the topic got brought up.

[@MrTampaMan]

I've heard it ,at dates. It used to stun me.

[@damonenthusiast8624]

You heard it. You just chose to ignore or join in

[@brittneypine6628]

@@damonenthusiast8624 yea I’ve heard it but not from black women. All my black girlfriends have been very vocal about wanting a man. My Latina and white girlfriends on the other hand take pride in saying they don’t need a man. For the record they now all have a man. I told one of my Latina friends about this comment and she agreed and thinks this is hilarious. They say they don’t need a man and they’re not shamed for it.

[@MrTampaMan]

@@brittneypine6628 Where you all reside? In Tampa ,FL. ,it's leaning towards women who been independent with aggression.

[@IdeastoIncome]

This was an amazing conversation. I appreciate the insight. Social media and the media in general is telling us that young Black men are thugs & gangsters. These young men are a beautiful representation of who Black men are.

[@mizkarib]

Beautiful...? 😂😂

[@lela3821]

This was good!!!! Dayquan it will happen!

[@voodooaudioeditsFunnyGirl]

No it won't happen 😨

[@therealsouthernbelles]

Why did KZbin recommend this too me 🥴🥴. I hate it here

[@kaylad1669]

😂😂😂😭😭🤦🏽‍♀️

[@Naisy77]

This a needed conversation

[@ListentoThestoryofHope]

Here’s the truth 8:15- SOME of today’s men are deflectors in the accountability department. When asked “what do you look for in a woman” the ONLY thing they could come up with after having the host rephrase in two different ways was “ambition” … humm.. then right after DEFLECTED and begin to talk about how we only want money Now how often do women get put down for that exact quality a woman would call a strength and men call masculine & unnecessary qualities but yet he wants it… Make it make sense

[@Foxarocious]

54:24 it took awhile, but he had to rip it out of him lol

[@Chikou14219]

I appreciate the honest sharing of feelings from the guy in the right. The men on the couch are not datable. There’s no way in any reality that I’m going to your home or having a CAR DATE. Reject. Get your creativity up. It does not all cost money.

[@myrajiles8856]

This was a great interview!

[@instrinsiclove]

Has been on my “watch later” for so long and just getting to it. Really would love to know where these gentlemen are. Great chat between men❤️

[@KennyBSpeaks]

This was a dope convo.. 🔥👏🏾

[@shawnthompson8273]

This is Awesome young men stay true authentic honest!!! That’s when the respect comes keep having open Discussion to help free others this is Awesome! Keep up the Great work!! Don’t hold back you ALL are wise. ! 🥊💪🏾🥊💪🏾🥊💪🏾🥊💪🏾🥊💪🏾🥊💪🏾🥊💪🏾

[@dyeshiamonet1788]

I don’t know how this was recommended to me, but this was a great conversation. Loved hearing different opinions, perspectives and experiences. Listening to this made me realize that everything boils down to communication😂 even w/ yourself and your own emotions

[@ItzCleverYouth]

As much as the internet over simplifies "Men bad, women good." Everyone is just trying their best out here, and it starts with: Respecting your time. Respecting yourself. Respecting your energy. And respecting your efforts. When doing so you can avoid unnecessary frustration, and without frustration you gain success. Through that success you will learn to grow.

[@ninamoore602]

I’m sorry going to the justice of peace is still a wedding. I did it and I have been married for 19 years and counting. You see more people who have big weddings and the marriage didn’t last a year. It’s not about the wedding. It’s the marriage you have to work on and keep it together. Thank you

[@Denise_Cocoa]

I know 3 people who spent tens of thousands on weddings in 2017 and 2018 and all 3 of them are now going through a divorce, unfortunately. I’ve always wanted a courthouse wedding with an extended honeymoon and down payment on a house. We can have a big casual cookout so our families and friends can meet if they haven’t already

[@LittleMissDeeDee]

Great channel discussion! I did cringe at some parts as I do think some of the talking points were very idealistic and it’s evident that these men still have a lot of growing to do, however, I’m glad they’ve had the space to be open. I will admit, that this conversation has proved to me that a lot of people (men especially) are unintentional when it comes to dating, and prioritise collecting women like Pokemon, rather than thinking about legacy, and who they feel it fit for marriage. Women are tired of having our time wasted and our bodies used for consumption with the promise of a commitment that for some, never happens. Some may argue that these women don’t bring enough value to the eyes of these men, but I don’t understand how a man can spend MONTHS with a woman and be confused as to why she’s expecting a commitment. Also, this idea that desiring a date is asking for too much confirms that the bar is seriously low for a lot of people. I pity women who convince themselves that they’re not worthy of proper courtship and prioritise the sexual desires of unintentional men, over their own desires for love, commitment and true intimacy.

[@JayDaReactor]

That’s not all men, you have to realize that the guys on this panel are young and most men don’t find themselves till their 30s. I know me I date to find a wife, that’s why it’s a process and not a quick flip

[@bdepina03]

I loved this convo between black men👏🏾👏🏾

[@AugustLady77]

This is my 1st time tuning into this channel I thought it was a great discussion brothers ❤️ Maybe have your notes on the table in front of you because turning around looking down while your guests are talking was more distracting than the paper being in the frame. Keep up the good work!

[@JS-xv3cv]

Love this conversation

[@DrYettyBby]

It’s really good to get the black male perspective. Thank you for this.

[@odetoblacklove3166]

Thank you so much for listening!

[@hello_04]

Yes. So us women lean into the divest movement instead of wasting valuable years with these unstable emotionally stunted men

[@thecraplordsell4575]

@@hello_04 lol you’re not a value of lost to us.

[@amason8636]

This is my first time listening and I wanted to hear their viewpoints and perspectives. I wish there were a few more men who were older 35 - 50