Single Stage vs Two Stage Triggers

[@AVH8TOR]

I had a Geissele on my last AR and it was great no doubt. But this time I wanted to save just a little bit and heard really good things about Larue. I just got one for my MK18. I can’t wait to try it out. That DD mil-spec trigger is heavyyyy.

[@bossdawg165]

Yea they are about 8+ lbs from dd. Crazy

[@shramj]

i agree, the Larue triggers are awesome. They offer both single and two-stage and in both curved and straight versions, two thumbs up!

[@refuztosay9454]

Excellent points - especially the unintended double taps from the Geissele triggers. I have not had any of them break but the double tap is a thing - especially on rifles with recoil - like a SCAR or AR 10 platform. I’ve bought a LaRue trigger and plan to install it soon.

[@mc2441]

Starts with G ends with E?

[@MrChuckwagon55]

Yep. There are alot of guys who are just now leaving Kyles old unit and they are using Larue in their personal guns, now I know why. They wouldn’t talk about the “other” company.

[@jaredbrinegar8121]

@@MrChuckwagon55 try the blackout defense zero

[@Aglai76]

What's your point? Are you send Geissele isn't as good as LaRue?

[@saltsea9499]

Giraffe😉

[@bidenisatraitor7633]

​@@jaredbrinegar8121junk....drop in cassette junk

[@loudmcleod7127]

Getting ready to finally build my first AR (way overdue) and this was immensely helpful. Thank you. So often when you're trying to decide what you want the people you talk to just assume you know what is what.

[@bigjpferry]

My opinion is the LaRue is the best value in triggers right now. I have an SSA, SSA-E, and an MBT. The MBT is between the SSA and the SSA-E in terms of feel and to be honest extremely close to the SSA-E in feel. I am considering selling all my Geisseles and replacing them with MBT's for consistency in pull. I spend a lot of time doing dry fire practice using a Mantis black beard and because I have the SSA-E in an AR10 platform the mantis does not work with it and I don't do much dry fire with it. The muscle memory from the heavier triggers caused a bit of a training scar when switching to the lighter SSA-E and twice now I have unintentionally sent the very first round down rang while prepping the first stage after switching to the AR10. The rifle was on target each time as I was prepping for the shot and no one around me knew what happened but it has REALLY bothered me that I sent rounds down range when not intending to. My temporary fix is to dry fire a few times when switching guns but I would love to make them all consistent and the LaRue's are cheap enough that I would earn some money back buying new triggers and selling the old.

[@YungBeezer]

I bought a wilson combat stripped lower and I ordered LaRue parts kit and MBTs2.

[@blackhawkinternationalsecu6962]

Last time I was this early, diesel was less than $2 a gallon and the Commander-In-Chief could put words together and form sentences. All Joes, I mean jokes aside, I'll be trying one of those flat triggers.

[@pmorin313]

Went went the heavy spring on my LaRue and the second stage breaks like a glass rod at 3lbs....amazing value!

[@RenaissanceThinking]

Love my LaRues.

[@TheCoolbreeze45]

LARUE! Try it.

[@skylinefever]

The first special trigger I ever bought was a LaRue. That was 2 years ago. I chose it because their price was great and am never disappointed.

[@562handsomemike]

Did you need to go to the heavier spring because of light strikes, or just your preference? I just installed the MBT 2-stage on a “no frills/all business” carbine I have. I think I will like the set-up but I don’t want to worry about light strikes with mil-spec primers. Thx in advance.

[@williambell7763]

​@@562handsomemikelate response, but it's mostly just for the stronger reset, shouldn't change the hammer force

[@jamese9329]

I started with a basic PSA build and have added lots of accessories, but installing a Larue trigger was probably my favorite/best modification

[@coguy4834]

Nice to see you again! Great info as usual.

[@skylinefever]

I went with 2-stage because I learned to shoot an AR with the basic trigger. When I decided to build my own, I chose a LaRue 2-stage with a flat face.

[@ericmacfarlane4249]

BIG fan of the LaRue triggers. They're what most of my rifles get built with now. They're great on their own merits, but then they're so reasonably priced compared to Geissele. I'm very happy I found out about them.

[@twiztawrist]

Thanks Kyle. Good video and great information.

[@bama2579]

Is the larue mbt2s a duty ready trigger, thanks

[@OSTRICHMOO3]

Anything larue is duty quality

[@m0l0nl4be]

Is the VTAC trigger adjustable for pull weight? What is the pull weight on it?

[@thunderkat5282]

I like my geisele triggers. If there’s an issue with them, I’d like to know.

[@EverythingFilmmaking]

Nothing wrong..one of the best triggers period

[@redline870]

He said there's issue with special operations guys breaking them. I've never heard of it, but I'm not part of that community. I highly doubt he's just making it up.

[@davemarques9601]

Thanks Kyle! Didn't know about the doubling! Don't need to think too hard about who it is....wow! Maybe steel hardening issues? I totally agree....single stage for everything except maybe a nice long range setup.

[@emblems4life726]

As a trigger noob, would you provide the name (and model if known) of the one that double fired?

[@Majja13]

Is the pull weight in the TT adjustable? If so what is the range? TY

[@arlissyoung8899]

The problem I have found with the budget triggers is light primer strikes. Some have a great feel and clean break. I have a Elftmann tactical that is adjustable. I can't decide what rifle I want to put it in so I haven't gotten a chance to run it. Either one of my 308s 0r a new 6.5 creedmore will be trying it out soon.

[@shuntera]

You can’t feel the end of a trigger without there being a bump at the end? Do you have nerve damage?

[@darrellwoods5961]

Which trigger company had the issue of doubling and Reliability, breaking issues?

[@redline870]

I assume he means Geissele

[@mbell7860]

Didn't know your flat faced triggers had a bump on the end, interesting. I've long put just a bump/dot of epoxy on mine for the same reason, to help in consistency of finger placement. I call it a snot knot because of the epoxy color, probably not a good term for advertising purposes. LOL Good to see good honest info, none of that this is the best ever, no one else compares or made from secret concoction of dinosaur bones and meteorites mixed by certified virgins during winter solstice kind of sales pitch.

[@chipsterb4946]

I like the idea of that tiny knob as a reference point at the end of the trigger.

[@11C1P]

I really like my HiperFire EDT single stage triggers.

[@rlcarrcarr3095]

Do you use a suppressor with those triggers and are they extremely hard to clean

[@bidenisatraitor7633]

Hell with a drop in trigger...people should know how to install a trigger. They fail alot more than the original design

[@BennyHill8844]

everyone has a preference, me personally I love the RA535, thats what I have in all my ARs but there are quite a lot of others that are just as good.

[@Ironsight_Army]

I love the Rise 535! but i put a LaRue 2 stage flat face trigger in my 1st are build.

[@BennyHill8844]

@@Ironsight_Army I just went to the LaRue website and they are sold out of that trigger, I was going to get one and check it out......

[@Ironsight_Army]

@@BennyHill8844 oh man! They are so sweet, Definitely get on a notification list for when they come back in stock

[@BennyHill8844]

@@Ironsight_Army I am

[@BennyHill8844]

@@Ironsight_Army plus im looking elsewhere

[@tankhighspeed]

Question when you say one stage and two stage can you explain more elaborate I would like a trigger that's flat like you have it but also a click instead of a spring

[@jeffsnowden4323]

Do y’all’s TT made triggers use their seer system? They are my fav triggers for bolt guns

[@FB-pk9ob]

Great Video! Many thanks. Well done. Keeping it real (dropping parts I do it all the time)

[@badassoptic]

Best explanation so far

[@thunder_mountain_muleys]

I added some tungsten in my buffer and it slowed my system down enough to eliminate, so far, the double tap. 500+ rounds without the doubling. Take care 👍

[@charlesludwig9173]

Two stage is essential for Service Rifle Competition because the trigger pull weight rules at 4.5 pounds demands it, meaning shooters can preload the trigger to get smooth trigger control, as well as rapid fire pull that’s good.

[@neilallen2144]

Maintenance? User disassemble, reassemble?

[@AbnsundevilL7]

The doubling (so?) with the “other” trigger happened in a pretty specific situation or circumstance: Buttstock not in shoulder. To me, this brings up a few questions. A: Did you analyzed this happening on video to rule out it being bumpfire? B: Did you let… let’s call him “Bill”, know what was happening? C: How the hell does the other trigger still have its stamp of approval from Crane?

[@El_Jackalope]

Larue was doing the MBT in single stage but, their website has had them showing as Sold Out for over a year.

[@TheK20head]

I think they stopped selling them because they were getting really bad feedback.

[@El_Jackalope]

@@TheK20head, if that is the case, I hope they're taking the time to re-work and re-introduce them.

[@movabledunleavy6359]

Yea their 2 stage is a great trigger but their single stage sucked, way to heavy almost milspec heavy..

[@MrCora1212]

That larue trigger is BY FAR the best trigger I have used period!! It's out of rhe box 2.5lb accurately

[@FlamingRobzilla]

I'm not sure, but are you saying that the reset on the two stage MBT trigger is longer because of the first stage take-up? If you want to shoot fast are you saying you have to completely decompress the trigger for it to reset? Because if that's true I see no advantage to a two stage trigger at all. I want a smooth and short take-up and a fast reset. I just want to be clear on this before I spend any money, before inflation makes it worth-less.

[@asdfghjk2933]

Almost every two stage trigger will require you to reset back to the first stage, though not necessarily all the way. Geissele SSA-E and SSA triggers for example do require that you completely reset back to the beginning of the first stage, while the MBT resets about halfway into the first stage. MBT definitely has a shorter reset than the Geissele 2 stages, though not as short as a single stage. The advantage of a 2 stage is that you can rest on the second stage and effectively have a much lighter pull than that of a typical single stage.

[@FlamingRobzilla]

@@asdfghjk2933 Thanks for your advice, though I saw it a bit too late. I decided to buy a LaRue two stage trigger. And all this seems new to me, but I'm delighted with my choice. The difference is like night and day. And to top it off it wasn't as expensive as I expected. Thanks again though. It was very nice of you. On my next build I may try the Viking single stage. Kyle seems like a very honest person, and because I'm new to this I'm inclined to default to expert advice, especially when he is willing to sing the praises of his competitors like LaRue. That kind of thing bolsters my belief in his honesty. I'd definitely buy a used car from Kyle, which is saying something. Trust.

[@johnp1839]

Do curved triggers provide a more consistent finger placement over flat rifle triggers?

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

In my experience, yes, but your mileage may vary. Typically your trigger finger placement ends up being more of a result of the firing hand on the grip and muscle memory.

[@crystalskier]

Interesting and great stuff...just traded out of a Rise Armament RA535 single stage for their Iconic 2-stage. My 6.5 Gendel is more of a hunter slash bench princess rifle vs combat or competitive rifle. Surprised that the adaptable 2 stage Trigger Tech wasn't mentioned. Wondering if that was the one doing un-intended double fires the author is talking about. I pulled my 2 stage Trigger Tech from my 16" AR 15 and just put in in my DMR 6.5 Grendel. Love that trigger but I am not shooting competitively fast either. When the Iconic 2 stage shows up it is going back into the 16.

[@Torqd_Off]

I’m looking for a good single stage trigger that allows you to operate the safety whether it’s cocked or not. The only one I have found so far is Knights. And I only became aware of that through gun Jesus on Forgotten Weapons when they did that WWSD rifle. I don’t know if there’s any other triggers that allow this…

[@Arcain321]

I mean a 5 lbs trigger is a 5lbs trigger. Quality the same, the number of stages shouldn’t matter when it comes to just shooting fast. I think two stages gives you a bit more fine control when shooting longer distance, and when needing to go fast you can’t even feel the stages. But it’s just preference at the end of the day I guess

[@eddyflo2978]

This was fantastic, single stage flat trigger is king

[@christophers5664]

SGM Lamb, how about a forging video? If you showed the process of forging a knife at home that might inspire others to do the same. Probably cut the footage so the whole process is shown but not every minute.

[@fireyourrocketts]

100% I am building a bench .308/ 6.5 creed, sharing a lower, and my choice is Triggertech AR Duty 3.5 fixed designed for AR10, also flat; I think it would be a good choice. More after tried.

[@mickeyfontanez2945]

Kyle great video

[@Ripper13F1V]

I do like the positive reset of the G single stage. It's nicer than the JP EZ. But yes, I'm a single stage guy and don't "get" 2-stage. Even for precision shooting a good single stage is preferred..

[@OYET-te2jn]

Dead on. Love the Triggertech's. Have both single and 2-stage. Prefer the single in battle rifles. Good video.

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

I'm using one lower for 2 (possibly 3) different uppers, one being a 12.5" and another being a 18/20" SPR type upper. I can slap a 2-stage quickly, but I can't stack a single stage. I'm not gonna get caught up in split times, all I care to be is 'fast enough' on the carbine. Therefore I'm going with a 2-stage, and i have an MBT on the way to test out.

[@562handsomemike]

How did you like the MBT 2-stage?

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

@@562handsomemike absolutely love it. I dont have any other 2 stage triggers to compare it to, and its been years since I brushed my finger over an SSA trigger so take that for what its worth. I can just slap through it for rapid fire or stage it, and even with the heavier 'duty' spring in there it's fairly light with a very crisp break. It gives me what I feel is the perfect amount of slop to avoid NDs. Its probably better to compare to a G2S (from my understanding, the SSA is still made to the military specs but is a semi auto restricted design, so some of the price of the SSA is meeting requirements like specific quality controls and number engraving stipulated in the contracts while the G2S is a commercial version and lacks some, frankly, unnessesary details) as far as quality and price, but the MBT beats it on price and hearsay is it beats the G2S on feel, but again I cant personally speak to that.

[@JohnPonthecuff]

Distributor cap?

[@adamgaul5539]

You can shoot just as fast with a 2 stage if you know how to properly reset your trigger when firing. Yes it is absolutely easier with a single stage. But when you learn proper technique and practice, a lot of practice, you can shoot just as fast with a 2 stage

[@Alan_B_Trehern]

What would be great when I claim like this is made, is the video evidence. If it's a common problem on the "famous" competitor, I think we should all know this and see it in action. This way we can test our own gear and address the issue. Thanks for the video.

[@emblems4life726]

I agree with you on needing to know to avoid similar failures which could cause harm or death from the malfunction. You can always clearly state that this is my personal experience and yours may be different.

[@ericwiltz6584]

I've never shot a two stage. All of my weapons run between 2.5 and 2.25 lbs, have very little creep and a very solid wall. It seems these two stage triggers are just tooled up to lighten up the break. I will however go to the strait trigger, makes a lot of sense.

[@CA.0verview]

What dose doubling mean ?

[@562handsomemike]

Squeeze once, two bullets fire.

[@refuztosay9454]

It shoots twice, quickly, instead of just the one shot you intended to make. It’s caused by the recoil of the gun, causing you to unintentionally pull the trigger again. It happens because the trigger pull of the Geiselle is so light. It’s not a trigger defect per se.

[@renegadearms]

Awesome, I use flat single stage in all mine as well.

[@OverrSpoooL]

Triggertech 2 stage triggers are, without a doubt, the best feel and breaking trigger on the market, in my opinion. You can rest back to the 2nd stage after the first round. Honestly, though, anyone who's tried Triggertech 2 stage knows what I'm talking about.🤘

[@ricopaintball]

Just purchased a Christiansen Arms that came in with the Trigger Tech drop in and the trigger was broken. According to Trigger Tech this was likely caused by an improper installation. For this reason I decided to go with a ATC Gold drop in trigger. How can these triggers break so easily, this could cost you your life! Good video and explanation of Single and double stage.

[@14goldmedals]

Triggertech is a great Canadian outfit with good customer service. Personally I own a Special and a Diamond. The black ones are the Special and get down to about a pound, and the Red ones are the Diamond and my F/TR rifle is at 6 ounces (4-32 ounce range). Green are double-stage and can go very low for take up and break. Their colour code is regardless of model type. Love'em.

[@bfed2831]

Thank you for your insight.

[@mealteam6.1]

Uhmmmm i guarantee that the 2 stage doesnt matter for overall. Im far faster with a geiselle natuonal match and a geiselle 3gun trigger bcus of how the reset is done in a 2 stage. The single stages are great with breaks, but they lack the power to force a reset shot and your finger literally outruns the trigger where as the 2 stage trigger forces you to the break point and refires at that point... i may be explaining that oddly but its just what weve seen in our testing and matches

[@MrChuckwagon55]

I just spoke to someone who’s still in, and he hasn’t heard any story about them breaking in the Unit or the rest of SOCOM. If they were breaking across the board like Eotech’s wouldn’t there be a lawsuit like there was with L3 then? Just curious where you got your info.

[@longtime3941]

Is Giselle any good however you say it

[@movabledunleavy6359]

That’s the competitor to larue he is referring to. Every other thing I have read or seen on Gieselle is great, this is the first time I’ve heard someone insinuate they are not top of the line..

[@longtime3941]

@@movabledunleavy6359 good I gotta straight line single stage from them the other day

[@NefariousEnough]

Very cool, mate!! Thanks!✌🏻✌🏻🍻🍻

[@gtcam723]

I’ve had doubling but mostly because I accidentally feathered the trigger.

[@refuztosay9454]

Correct. It’s not a trigger defect. It is easy to get these unintentional doubles - especially on AR10 and SCARs in 308.

[@johnbuntin7188]

Yes sir, single stage works great for me! Up close and far away.

[@donfilkins298]

does two stage mean double action?

[@cavsnation831]

It means it has a bit of creep to it, you hit a “wall” then it fires.

[@mustangecoboosthpp3869]

@@cavsnation831 I think you're not using trigger creep in a correct explanation here, I have two Sig AR15's and have the Sig 2 stage match trigger in both of them. The single stage trigger that came with them had trigger creep, you could feel the creep while you depressed the trigger i.e. you could feel the metal parts sliding against each other before the trigger break. With the Sig 2 stage match trigger you have the smooth take up to what is described as the "wall" and the trigger breaks smoothly at 4.75 to 5 pounds of pressure as you squeeze the trigger, both of my 2 stage triggers break at 4.75 pounds of pressure. I tend to be more on the sensitive side on my trigger feel. All triggers have take up, that is the minor amount of slack before they start to activate. My Les Baer 1911's have trigger slack, my Ed Brown 1911''s have trigger slack and my Kimber 1911 has trigger slack, but all of them break very smooth with no trigger creep.

[@asdfghjk2933]

@@mustangecoboosthpp3869 Yes, some people seem to confuse take up with creep. Creep is movement after you hit the wall that can disrupt your trigger pull. Take up is just the movement before you hit the wall, aka the first stage of a two stage trigger.

[@slickrick411]

Link to triggers?

[@jeffr3773]

Milspec IS a single stage. I agree though, good video

[@stephanieroberts1394]

thank you!

[@sandymitchell8182]

I own a Larue sbt .love it ands its affordable

[@xarrow81]

I'm just gonna say that other trigger company probably sells twice as many triggers tho

[@AldoRaineoftheBasterds]

Love that flat trigger🔥🔥

[@Rex-ii2yz]

flats are good, but single stage is not. this guy is talking out of his asshole. shoot fast, what the fuck is his market? I run guns as my life and I would never ever say that.

[@blackhawkinternationalsecu6962]

@@Rex-ii2yz Single stage is for competition. Two stage is for real world. Flat v curve is a personal thing. I just wanna try a flat.

[@Rex-ii2yz]

@@blackhawkinternationalsecu6962 yea sorry I dont know why I went off like that. I apologize for acting like a butthole.

[@abolishtheatfandrepealthen6014]

Love my larue mbt. I like it more than my geissele

[@gabrielm.4554]

Which spec ops guys are having Gs break?!? Because the teams aren’t having these issues at all. You’re just shilling Larue

[@dennismarella4858]

Thanks

[@cameronmills3414]

Just bought one. You can just tell when someone knows what they are talking about

[@MadMaxx63]

Good informative video, thanks! LaRue tactical… The CaGuLoWa? Seriously?

[@MichaelLeopold1]

Interesting, thanks

[@Justme-sl5bd]

Nawwwwwwww not weird at all SgtMaj; maybe a little creepy… I kid. It was a good video and the first I’m hearing about the problems with the “other” trigger. I need to pay better attention and do more research. Thank you!

[@nvlaser9084]

As much as I respect Kyle for his expertise , experience and sacrifice for this country, I can't agree with the "other Popular trigger". Lets be Real, G completely changed the trigger market for the AR 20 years ago when Bill Created the Hi Speed Match, which to this day, is still the finest trigger you can buy IMO. Its the most proven , tested and used aftermarket trigger on the market. The AMU boys started using them and they migrated over to SOCOM , first by replacing the old KAC triggers in the Mk11 that were prone to failure. KAC has since fixed it and they make one of the best AR triggers on the market, albeit expensive. Larue is impossible to beat for the money, $70-80 for a fantastic 2 stage trigger, even if the shoe is a bit wide. If we want to be super real, lets talk about all the failures of Trigger Tech and their recent recall. Hundreds of PRS/precision rifle shooters have had trigger failures. In 20 years I can think of less than a handful of complaints about G triggers, and most were due to improper tuning on the adjustable ones.

[@rifleshooterchannel208]

I thought the failures he was referring to *was* of the KACs. I’m actually surprised that KAC makes something that fails as badly as their 2 stages, gives me flashbacks to RRA’s 2 stages 🤢

[@nvlaser9084]

@@rifleshooterchannel208 That was an issue 20 years ago. EVERY match type trigger on the market failed at that point under hard use, which is why the G trigger changed everything. A few years later ALA 2005ish, KAC redesigned their 2 stage and it is every bit as good as every G trigger short of the the Hi Speed Match, which is still the gold standard to this day. RRA 2 stagers were the definition of failure in this time period, there just were not many options out there and they all sucked.

[@TheCoolbreeze45]

I was part of the Geiselle recall for double fires. Less than 150 rounds. Prefer larue.

[@Contest4Freedom]

Your statement seems to imply that Geissele triggers are having systematic issues, but I haven’t seen any credible evidence to support that claim. For context, Geissele triggers are trusted and widely used not only by competitive shooters but also by professional end-users, including military and law enforcement units. Geissele’s Super Select-Fire (SSF) trigger, for example, was specifically developed for U.S. Special Operations Command (SOCOM), which is a testament to their reliability and durability. If there were systemic failures, they wouldn’t be trusted in such high-stakes environments. I’ve personally shot over 50,000 rounds through my setups, which include Geissele’s National Match Hi-Speed Trigger and SSA-E, and I haven’t encountered a single issue. That’s consistent with the experiences of countless others who rely on Geissele products. To put things into perspective, I had a friend experience a failure with your flat-face trigger during a 3-Gun match. Does that single anecdote mean your triggers are unreliable or worse than the competition? Of course not. Individual issues can happen, but that doesn’t equate to systemic problems. Until credible evidence is presented, it’s unfair and misleading to try and tarnish the reputation of a company that has consistently delivered products trusted at the highest levels.

[@ellissmithjr6599]

Single stage are better for battle rifles... Two stage are for stationary arms and also sniper arms...

[@gunsnwater2668]

Face, trigger face. Your welcome. 🤣

[@Timber_LXG_5]

"1911 triggers are single stage" just all I needed to know lol

[@asdfghjk2933]

I mean, they effectively are. A single stage with a little bit of slack is still just a single stage.

[@JoeWayne84]

I sell single stage triggers so…. I’m a single stage trigger guy haha

[@deplorabledave1048]

Single stage, FLAT trigger bow. NO two-stage for me!

[@oxencott3n175]

Big hate on geissele....yikes!

[@alanknight4418]

LaRue is sold out!

[@562handsomemike]

Always. Find a place to pre order. Buy extra and sell a couple to someone who can’t/won’t wait. Most gun shops have them for $100-140, for folks that don’t plan ahead. Brutal!

[@1sinwithme3]

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[@hndahmed4834]

>>>~~~

[@tracyhjelmstad7061]

What the hell?? So, what's the difference between a single stage and a two stage again?? Did even explain the difference. Waste of time.

[@jayc5895]

Geissele > everything

[@ShortArmOfTheLaw]

Making a whole video to bash a brand is crazy. Definitely not what I came here for

[@donrichter3523]

@ShortArmOfTheLaw, awwww, did that mean Kyle bag on your brand of trigger and cause your butthurt?!? Don’t be a fanboi of anything, it clouds objectivity!

[@ShortArmOfTheLaw]

@@donrichter3523 isn’t that exactly what he’s doing in the video???? Explaning his bias while selling his collab trigger?? You were so interested in bashing me you didn’t apply the same logic to him

[@kennethwood713]

lm all about LaRue and anything built in Texas(from).

[@MrChuckwagon55]

Wow, very informative. Explains a lot of things. Thanks for making the video.

[@BennyHill8844]

everyone has a preference, me personally I love the RA535, thats what I have in all my ARs but there are quite a lot of others that are just as good.