Sins of Lust May Earn for You This Type of Purgatory….

[@vincentdargere]

One deep and constant question that I keep in me is: I’m willing to repent for all my sins, each and every one of them, especially the mortal ones, even if I have already confessed them. But then they need to be atoned for. The big, big question I have is: how? How to repair what has been broken by committing them? No priest has ever been able to answer that. When I see the sufferings of Purgatory, it seems that what’s needed is intense suffering even here on Earth. On the other hand, I have read or heard many times that what has the greatest value for God is to accept the sufferings that are given in this life and not to invent sacrifices to inflict on ourselves. What would you say about that?

[@UniquelyMary]

I really need to make a video about this - so many people are asking - please keep your eye out for it - I will make one for this next weekend - this is a crucial question that deserves a great answer

[@vincentdargere]

@@UniquelyMary Thank you very much for your consideration.

[@jajkozotkoblustackmac2277]

I will join the conversation if You don't mind. Unfortunately I'm one of the souls who's struggling mostly with lust and impurity for about over 16 years of life or even more (can't remember exactly). Now I'm 35. It's a struggle and a great imbalance within me since one part of me would like to be finally free from this madness and the other part easily fells into temptation and commits these sins. I'm talking about nowadays about masturbation and impure thoughts about women but previously I committed other nasty sins like adultery and unfortunately I also was a reason for someone to commit it as well. There's a part of me that wants all of that to end but even though I try not to sin heavily with the adultery part I'm not completely free from my thoughts and pornography etc. Please pray for me dear Brothers and Sisters. What I wanted to add about the purgatory - I think all of us (and our loved ones) will go trough it due to the lives we live. Also regarding the question about sin atonement. I think all the bad situations in life - our illnesses, failures, diseases, lost jobs, failed interviews, any form of suffering and not realized dreams (not realizing our full potential due to sin) is also considered sin atonement and could shorten or relieve us (at least a bit) from the time spent in purgatory. All of us sinned and unfortunately we don't have the will so strong to turn our back from sin everytime temptation attacks us - in that we cannot be like God. But Brothers and Sisters I think there's a way to be like God at least in some part - that's the forgiveness part. We must learn to forgive and forgive our tresspassers always and without any conditions. No matter how much they have sinned against us. I think when we die and stand before God for the final judgement God will try to see do we have some resemblance to him in any way. Since we cannot mimic God in our holiness since we sin let's try at least to mimic God in our mercifullness and willingness to forgive everybody all of their wrongdoings. I know this is just my wishful thinking but wouldn't be it great that when God will look at us and seeing that he would smile? That I think it's the most easiest ways or parts where we could truly be like God himself. And I really think that if we would live that way at the end of our lives God will indeed truly smile seeing that. He will find at least one thing we would have in common and based on that I think the sentence will not be hell. Please think about it and share Your thoughts - I wanna know what other people think. I also think that praying for souls trapped in purgatory is an act of faith and kindness to those people. Good will look kindly on everybody who tries to shorten or end another suffering. I think this also would be in some way a sin atonement for us since we delivered other children of God from a place of suffering to himself much faster (thanks to our prayers). I think God would like that as well. And perhaps one day when it's our time thanks to that he would take this into consideration so our time in purgatory although not completely relieved from (would be as short as blink of an eye) - just maybe enough to show us - Hey - look here's a glimpse of all that suffering which You helped to end to so many souls FYI and immediately after seeing this we would be taken to heaven. Amen!

[@Nerfaddict86]

I agree is each mortal sin 10 plus years on your corpal punishment after you confess to them and repentance daily mass and everything? If that’s the case then if someone committed 8 mortal sins but confess to them and all that stuff then that means he or she would be in 3rd level of purgatory for 80 years correct?

[@vincentdargere]

@@Nerfaddict86 Each mortal sin confessed is paid by 7 years of Purgatory, which feelslike a tremendous amount of time that exceeds a human life. Indescribable suffering to amend what has not been atoned for enough. I really have trouble conceiving how such an amount of time does not plunge one's soul into despair, but I'm certain I will understand it once I will be there. God is so pure and so perfect that a repenting soul will stay as long as is needed in Purgatory to get rid of the slightest stain. All the same, it is so much time spent enduring sufferings beyond what is humanly conceivable. It's a mystery.

[@Philip__325]

My goodness brothers and sisters please pray for me I struggle with lust almost daily and often lose the battle.

[@user-vf5mx8fh8j]

Pray for the Holy Souls and especially to Our Lady every day. Say you are sorry. Beg for mercy. On your knees head to the ground. Bring yourself to sincere tears. Empty yourself. She will help you.

[@Harlow65965]

If you are currently not, come and pray the Rosary with us at 10:00pm EST every night right here on The Uniquely Mary Channel 🙏🙏🙏 I will also pray for you too.

[@Mary-momof8]

Wear the brown scapular. It saved me from myself. Pray for me, a poor, poor sinner.💙🙏💙

[@albanianboy6653]

ENROLL ONNTHE BROWN SCAPULAR OFNTHE BLASSED VIRGIN MARY AND PRAY THE ROSARY EVERY DAY FAST ON FRIDAY ON WATER AND BREAD AND OFDER ITNUPNFORNTHE HOLY SOULS IN PURGATORY OIR LADY WITH HELP YOU

[@iamterico]

Keep looking for ways to rehabilitate. It’s an addiction. Don’t worry about these private revelations. We do not have to believe them. God is our only judge. But keep up the good fight!

[@harleyharhartube]

Confession, Comunion, Rosary, Divine Mercy chaplet, St. Gertrude chaplet, fasting, charity works, suffering, lets offer them all for our friends in purgation

[@isabel2162000]

How do you do suffering? I'm new here.

[@harleyharhartube]

@isabel2162000 not that we should be masochists, but everyone has his own share of misfortune, could be a common headache or illness or losing a job, we could always ask the Lord to unite it wiith His will, with His cross to save others from hell or purgation, we could also say the daily offering prayer or the heroic act of charity prayer

[@jpjp9111]

There's no such thing as pergatory. I'm a Catholic and have gone to mass all my life and never heard of this curse called pergatory. I certainly don't want to go for any reason. I also refuse to worship Mary as other Catholics do or recite a rosary by rote to Mary. There is only ONE God and it's not Mary.

[@royhughes2854]

@@jpjp9111 With all due respect & love, you are not Catholic. It is wrong to lie to yourself by saying that you are.

[@elizabethmanwaring3940]

There is a very solid biblical basis for Purgatory. Please read ‘The Biblical Basis for Purgatory’ by John Salza. It completely changed my perspective.

[@evelynbrenner1967]

I have been praying for the souls in purgatory for a few years. I pray for those long forgotten.

[@Colin-r5t]

ive being prsying for the souls dince i was 7 years old still do Colin

[@chris4321das]

No such thing as purgatory. Only Heaven and Hell. Jesus Christ is the only way. Read the four Gospels in their entirety.

[@jeffbrewster7475]

​@@chris4321dasyou ought to read the books of the Bible which Martin Luther had to remove because they contradicted his new religion. 2 Maccabees 12:46, "it is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead," - praying for the deceased is a good and pious act necessary for entrance to heaven. You will certainly hope there's a purgatory at your final judgment, because the alternative is perdition unless you are a perfect human being.

[@vonhalberstadt3590]

And they will be in Heaven to welcome you.

[@Treedodger21912]

Our Lady urges us all to wear the Brown Scapular as well to aid escaping purgatory and hell

[@Philip__325]

Please pray for me brothers and sister. I struggle daily with Lustful thoughts and desires. And often fail miserably.

[@Michelle-zk3po]

You need to go to confession daily, then!...only God can help

[@ronfuse6993]

Don't give up. I never thought I would be free of this sin I failed so often no matter how hard I tried. I went to confession often and started praying the rosary everyday. After 3 months of not committing this sin physically the fire died down. The thoughts and temptations were still strong but those eventually died down also. I will always have to be on guard. I am praying for you. Get a crucifix and look upon it when you get lustful thoughts

[@georgevalenzuela2489]

Fast and pray the rosary especially when tempted by lustful thoughts.

[@moniqueb.4551]

I prayed for you. Also, I suggest that you pray the Novena of Our Lady of Pompei for your intentions , for yourself : it is 54 day Rosary (1 chapelet or 5 decades per day) . You pray day 1 the Joyful Mysteries, day 2 the Sorrowful and day 3 the Glorious Mysteries , day 4 the Joyful Mysteries, day 5 the Sorrowful Mysteries, day 6 Glorious Mysteries,.. up to the 27th day, That is the first 27 days of the Novena (9 rosaries) ASKING for the grace to overcome a sin or a tempation. .. Then, you pray another set of 9 rosaries ( another 27 days of prayers) to SAY THANK YOU AND BE GRATEFUL to the Holy Virgin Mary , for all the graces She gave to you. Manage in your home à nice little corner, or à room , to pray. Get up early, and do it in the morning, around 6:00 am (20 min). Be faithfyl to the prayer of the Rosary. Daily.. NEVER GIVE UP the daily Rosary.

[@catherineholmes2254]

Consecrate yourself to Our Blessed Mother Daily. Mary be with me each time you fail. She will help you🙏🏻🌹🕯😇

[@johnmckeron3663]

That’s the most common sin ‘ the lust and bondage of the flesh’ I pray to Saint Mary of Egypt for her intercession’ I heard her story ‘ a very powerful one

[@Mustfocusmike]

Is it our lady of zeiton?

[@56thCrusader]

@@Mustfocusmikenope, prostitute turned saint; not Our Lady. 😅

[@johnmckeron3663]

No ,this was Mary who lived in the desert ,after being reformed from a life of prostitution

[@PeterLamin-pi6rv]

St. Mary of Egypt was a loose woman until her conversion in the third century.😮​@@Mustfocusmike

[@lizfalmusic]

Yes. A very powerful. I keep thinking of her often. What a life.

[@andrewskokna9760]

I am so destined for the gates of hell with all my past sins I could sure use your prayers

[@davidd7189]

Don't despair, that's what the devil wants you to do. Jesus would have forgiven Judas after his betrayal if Judas asked for it. Instead Judas despaired. Jesus loves us ✝️

[@isabel2162000]

Don't give up. List down all your past sins even venial sins, and talk to the priest there or spiritual director. He will tell you what to do. Alvaro has a rosary group every night at 10pm, anyone who does the rosary religiously and reflect on it will be saved from hell. And David is right, that's the devil talking.

[@russmode]

Your sins have already been forgiven when Jesus died on the cross, call out to him, he has never left your side.

[@Antigravitypop]

I offer up my prayers and everything for our Blessed Mother’s intentions for the souls in purgatory. She knows better than I do who is in most need.

[@janegallardo4731]

I too offer my prayers to Mother's intentions, but wonder if I should suggest praying for this group of holy souls?

[@Antigravitypop]

⁠I’m sure Mom would be open to that suggestion! 😊

[@FlavioMarceloSousa35]

This shows how serious the sin of lust really is, God have mercy on us.

[@faithfirst1476]

We can all pray for each other now, and the souls in Purgatory! Thank you so much Alvaro for posting these videos!❤🙏

[@nelsoncarvalho3508]

Purgatory is one of my favorite topics. Your videos are always inspiring us to pray more. I bet people in Purgatory are feeling the awesome ripple effects of this channel ❤

[@Aurora18665]

Jesus paid the penalty for sins The Bible teaches that Jesus died to pay the penalty for all sins, and that people are cleansed from sin by faith in his blood. Death is the punishment for sin The Bible says that "the wages of sin is death" and that "a dead person has been absolved from sin". The dead are unconscious The Bible says that the dead are unconscious and cannot feel anything, so they cannot be cleansed by fire. Judgment comes after Christ returns The Bible teaches that judgment comes after Christ returns and resurrects the dead.

[@Aurora18665]

Please let me know where it says that purgatory exists and how it works?

[@Brian-hc3qx]

@@Aurora18665 10 By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as a wise builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should build with care. 11 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved-even though only as one escaping through the flames.

[@anthonylleras2399]

Instead of doing all that offer up masses for that soul. The efficacy of one mass is great!

[@maryortiz788]

I just read the book of St. Frances of Rome about Hell, Purgatory and Heaven!!! It deeply talks about the tortures of Hell and Purgatory!

[@LisaAnn8946]

I read that too

[@charmiemael460]

St.Lidwina pray for us especially my family and friends who are guilty of the Sins of Lust and those souls under the.bottomless pit Amen3x!🙏🙏🙏

[@markross3346]

Always remember Divine Mercy Sunday.

[@isabel2162000]

Is that always Sunday or is there a specific month to that?

[@krystynamargeson5220]

​@@isabel2162000 Always the Sunday after Easter. Must have confession withon 8 days, Communion on that Sunday, and perform works of Mercy always. Everything then us forgiven plus punishment due!

[@neridiaz2221]

@@isabel2162000 There's a specific day, it's on the second sunday of easter. This year it'll be celebrated on April 27.

[@LisaAnn8946]

​@isabel2162000 the Sunday after Easter

[@catherineholmes2254]

The Sunday After Easter

[@ChristinaPrasetyo]

A couple of days ago Holy Spirit walked me up and ask me, “would you like to suffer for the souls in purgatory?” I said “yes Lord.” It was the most painful experience I ever felt, my lungs filled like someone pour ice into it, I felt cold and sharp pain every time I breathe. But when I pray the Saint Gertrude prayer the pain stop, i just felt cold. I even feel a sleep praying due to the pain, then I waken up by my own voice I still praying. My message is if the Lord ask you to suffer say yes and asked the Lord to work in you while you’re doing it, so you have more strength not just relaying on your own strength.

[@chuckincharlo]

I pray St Gertrude prayer every day

[@rogerbec5766]

In today's world it's hard to keep your eyes shut so as to not fall into sin. Sex sells and it's insinuated everywhere. One split second watching something and we're done. I sure hope God and His mercy understands what we're facing these days.

[@TheXone7]

Always pray for the dead. God can use these prayers and apply them during times of their lives and save them. God is outside of time. God bless you all!

[@peterselo7707]

Our Lady of Fatima said that most people go to Hell because of the sin of lust. She also said that many people are in Hell because they had nobody to pray for them on Earth.

[@helensullivan4179]

St Raphael the archangel and Our Lady Rosa Mystica have a special.mission against impurity.

[@TheoneWithoneopinion-u3e]

Only trills will be trying me after that😂😂😂😂😂They will think like "WTF IS GOING ON" "HE WAS NOT CRAZY"😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@maximus500]

Thanks!

[@degorovi]

Thank you for this message Alvaro.

[@cherubin7th]

Totally worth it

[@johnvrbka570]

I will most likely end up in that pit in purgatory if not he'll. But I often pray for the souls of the dead.

[@mariasalcedo8225]

Ask our Lady to help you. You are loved. By God , blessings.

[@helensullivan4179]

Take heart. God is for you. St Raphael the archangel us powerful against impurity. Read the Book of Tobit.

[@stephentravis2250]

Aim for Heaven, keep Praying and offering some small Sacrifice each day for them. Their Prayers for you will be unimaginable.

[@shivermetimber6738]

Thank you

[@charbelbechara5640]

I highly recommend anyone who is struggling with temptations and sins of lust to have a great devotion to St. Joseph. As the most chaste Spouse of Our Lady, he was given a great power against such sins and will help you become more pure and chaste. If you pray to him daily you will experience his help and see a big difference. I assure you!

[@mrderekweber]

Can you please address that, if so called, how do you pray for those souls in the deepest parts of purgatory? Especially if we're already reciting the Chaplet of St Gertrude daily, along with the Holy Rosary ... and lastly, thank you for sharing your videos. I find them very helpful and instructional.

[@MotherMary112]

Holy Mass and way of the cross helps especially I suggest way of the cross through Mary

[@BrocaSpeaks]

Thank you, but I’m first called to share this saint’s story with a friend with similar disabilities. Please pray for her conversion. 🙏🏻

[@ethiopian9635]

I'm scared of dying and going up to purgatory 😢🙏

[@TaylorR-kr2nw]

Im scared of dying and going to hell. I also am terrified of purgatory but also grateful for purgatory. I am addicted to pornography and lust. I hope the Lord will have mercy on me as He was merciful to King David, my baptismal and confirmation Saint, when he fell to lust.

[@undertalefan5867]

This video is godsent

[@candyb357]

I’ve been asking God to apply my prayers wherever they are needed the most. Is that okay?

[@briandaniel6354]

I love her, she is more than likely the first documented case of MS.

[@LynetteChuff]

It would be So Beautiful and So Very Powerful if you would say The Hail Mary for all of these Holy Souls suffering in Purgatory at the beginning of each and every one of your shows. As all of your viewers would be united with you in this Most Beautiful and Powerful Prayer To Our Lady. For, As Our Lady revealed to St. Matilde, "No one can ever say anything more Pleasing To Me then The Hail Mary." HAIL MARY, FULL OF GRACE, THE LORD IS WITH THEE, BLESSED ART THOU AMONG WOMEN, AND BLESSED IS THE FRUIT OF THY WOMB, JESUS. HOLY MARY, MOTHER OF GOD, PRAY FOR US SINNERS, NOW, AND AT THE HOUR OF OUR DEATH. AMEN

[@JohnFDonovan-by1nt]

My theological question would be, how can we atone for our sins in purgatory Only Christ can atone for our sins. His one and only sacrifice on the cross at which we are present during the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is the one, unique and only acceptable atonement for our sins. I have always believed that in Purgatory we are not atoning for our sins but in our sorrows there as we see the real effect s of what we have done we SUFFER the fires of true repentance and true purification resulting from Christ drawing us closer to him and our understanding of how by sin we hurt God and fell so short of His love.

[@JohnFDonovan-by1nt]

@@TboneWTF God does not create sin. God gives us a free will. We brought sin into the world by freely choosing the lesser good for ourselves over the greater good of loving God and obeying His commandments. Christ's sacrifice on the cross, as least for me, shows two things the horror of my and humanity's sins as embodied in Christ's unjust sufferings, and the fact that in spite of all of this, if we repent and take ownership of who we really are, Christ's as the Incarnate Word on the cross proclaims God still loves us profoundly and wants us to join ourselves to Him in the promise and fulfillment of the Resurrection.

[@aireyc]

We can make reparations for our sins. The problem is our sins are so great, we can’t make enough reparations to merit heaven, and that’s why Christ’s infinite sacrifice is necessary. But we should still sacrifice as much as we can to be more like Christ and to better understand him.

[@tyler7629]

I think the confusion here comes from the wording you are choosing to use to contemplate this issue. Instead of thinking about Purgatory as atonement, think about it as purification. We're all sinners and you are correct. Nothing we have done, can do, or will do can change that. It's by the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ that we are saved from the fires of Hell. That being said, nothing unclean can enter heaven (Rev. 21:27). Our sins are forgiven by the Lord Jesus, but we can still be unclean after death. Hope this helps

[@JohnFDonovan-by1nt]

@@tyler7629 This is my position exactly. My concern is that the use of the word Atonement confuses Protestants (the Evangelical ones not the main stream Protestants who really have no beliefs) because they, rightly so, apply this word only to Christ's sacrifice on the cross .in my experience, the question to ask believing Protestants is, If nothing impure can enter into the presence of God, then when does this purification take place? While they will twist and turn over this, it does point out that Purgatory is our answer ( the correct one of course) to this question.

[@tyler7629]

@@JohnFDonovan-by1nt I think about how often Justice is mentioned in the Bible and then I think about someone like Jeffery Dahmer (who reportedly became Christian right before he was murdered in prison). Now assuming his conversion was sincere, would it be just for him to gain entry into paradise immediately? Maybe so (because it's not ours to hand out), but it makes much more sense to me that (while he would be saved thanks to the sacrifice of Christ) he would have to pay for his sins (and this applies to everyone). That he would have to experience a purgation of the effects that his evil acts had on his soul before entry into the Kingdom. We all will have to pay for our disobedience, either in this life or the next Matt 5:26.

[@TaylorR-kr2nw]

I am suffering with addiction to pornography and lust. I am 22 years old but I want to seek God. Please pray for me. I am oftentimes attacked with thoughts of fear, despair, and low self esteem. Whenever I try and seek God often I find myself dealing with extreme sculpulosity which you would think would make you sin less because of the fear everything you do leads to hell, but it was actually the opposite and these sculpulous thoughts would actually lead me to lust and pornography. I need to flee from this. It isn’t an everyday thing I will have streaks and then I will relapse. I first viewed it in middle school because people were joking about pornography in class even watching it as if it was a joke and my curiosity then took over me and I have been addicted ever since. Please pray for me.

[@charlesjones3382]

What I've found out the most in life is that people who feel obliged to preach morality to others are exceptional at talking that talk but when it comes to walking that walk well that's something quite different.

[@matthewallard9273]

Brother could you please answer my question, what is a hero soul? Thanks so much for all you do

[@bubbletea62312]

how do we pray for those in purgatory? say a rosary just for them???

[@bubbletea62312]

@@TboneWTF Im not here to prove anything to you.

[@bubbletea62312]

@@TboneWTF theres no point in explaining something to someone who doesnt care to listen.

[@bubbletea62312]

@@TboneWTF lol im not frightened and If i didnt believe in God like yourself, I wouldnt spend my time being so obsessed with him. I dont belive the same as muslims or jews...yet i dont go to harass them.

[@bubbletea62312]

@@TboneWTF I dont need to explain anything to you, you are not entitled. Its throwing pearls to swine, its of no use to explain.

[@gicraft6461]

I have a question for you Alvaro. Should I look forward to going to purgatory? I understand that the punishments of purgatory shouldn’t be taken lightly. However, I’ve heard before that the souls in purgatory are content with their sufferings and are willing to bear them for the love of God. For me personally, I don’t fear purgatory. I actually look forward to it. I see it as a place of purification and glorifying the justice of God. If God’s judgment is perfect, I would glorify His justice by going to purgatory. I will be content to suffer out of love for Him and to be sorry for my sins. When my purgatory is finished, i will be perfectly purified and the justice of God will be fully satisfied. Everything will be made perfect by God Himself.

[@robertcooper1952]

If I go to Purgatory after I die, will I know that I'm in Purgatory rather than Hell?

[@michaelhains2291]

Yes, you will know that from the judgment. Moreover, you will have hope and there is no hope in Hell, zero.

[@alexp.8574]

At our judgement God, Jesus Christ will reveal this to you. Purgatory purges you of remaining stains on our souls caused by sin - needed for atonement. That is why it is good to receive indulgences while on Earth - graces that purge away the stains remaining. Watch, St. Brigid’s revelations of purgatory and read on indulgences. Hell is a complete eternal torment and suffering unimaginable caused by a complete separation from God. Mortal sins unrepented send you to Hell because you sever the soul from its creator, the Creator. Purgatory, although painful, is a mercy because you will eventually go to Heaven. In Hell you see the true form of the devil which is horrible. It would be a night and day difference knowing where you are.

[@JusticeOkoh]

It actually depends on the level you're in

[@hhefner9659]

How do you make reparations and atonement for these sins?

[@l0r3st0]

Penance, prayer and almsgiving

[@figurefour633]

Make reparations and offer up your work, joys, sorrows and suffering to God and unite them to his holy cross and the Holy Saco of the Mass!

[@Wampus_Cat]

Someone else touched on the same thing I have been wondering about. That is, when I go to confession, the priest absolves me of my sins, then he gives me a penance (for example, say 1 Our Father and 3 Hail Marys). If I do penance, then why should I have to do more for the same sins in purgatory? Or, is purgatory just for those sins that I do not confess and do no penance for?

[@isabel2162000]

Can someone please answer me, i have gone to confession about my sins of lust. What else could i do to atone for my sins? Cause it seems like it was not enough for the man by confessing?

[@Tom_McMurtry]

It is enough for heaven if you don't die in mortal sin, but with purgatory first perhaps. In any case praying and doing good works for others and of course god helps with the proccess of freeing yourself from any residue of your sin that remains

[@neridiaz2221]

Hello I'll gladly answer. The church teaches that by confessing your mortal sins you don't deserve hell anymore, but the priest should give you some penance as reparation for the sins confessed. Now, the thing is that sometimes we don't have a way to know exactly how much is enough as reparation for grave sin and usually priests seem to give penance that might not to correspond to the gravity of the sins confessed, so what I've seen some priests say is that we should offer additional acts of reparation, like prayer, sacrifice, almsgiving, charity acts and above all seeking perfection daily by avoiding even venial sin and correcting vices you might have that even if not sinful, may lead you to actual sin. The opposite of vice is virtue, I recommend you start working on developping virtues little by little and if you persevere daily you might end up like the saints: going straight to heaven. Ask God daily when you wake up to give you the grace of perseverance and humility. I strongly recomend you obtaining a plenary indulgence, plenary indulgence cleanses all need of purgatory for past sins and the church teaches that if you died right after obtaining it you would go straigth to heaven. This year specifically you can earn a plenary indulgence daily. The following page details the requirements and many ways to obtain plenary indulgence. www.ncregister.com/news/jubilee-2025-indulgences#:~:text=January%203%2C%202025-,The%20Vatican%20has%20detailed%20how%20to%20obtain%20plenary%20indulgences%20%E2%80%94%20removing,Our%20Father%20and%20Hail%20Mary). What's more, you can even offer a plenary indulgence for a soul in purgatory a day and that is a great act of mercy because the soul that receives it immedately goes to heaven, and remember: Christ said that those that give mercy will receive great mercy.

[@seangregory8692]

Offer your small sufferings for atonement and also try to go for an hour of Eucharistic Adoration as often as you can as well as praying rosary and Divine Mercy chaplet from the heart. The Church offers many forms of receiving a plenary indulgence and the greatest and easiest one is probably the promised attached to Divine Mercy Sunday which is the Sunday after Easter. And, most importantly, never doubt the infinite mercy of God.

[@jankowal260]

In addition to the other comments I propose doing the Way of The Cross contemplating the suffering our Lord endured for our sins. Jesus said to saint Faustina: There are few souls who contemplate My Passion with true feeling; I give the most graces to souls who meditate devoutly on My Passion.

[@royhughes2854]

Please, tell me HOW TO PRAY for those souls in deepest Purgatory as you suggest. WHAT WORDS do I speak to the Father? WHAT FORMAL prayers do I recite? HOW ELSE besides saying prayers can one alleviate that suffering?

[@helenakordic2935]

You can pray the rosary of Saint Gertrude.Jesus once told her that he would release 50000 souls from purgatory if she says the rosary at least once a day or you may also pray if you want a prayer for the souls in purgatory written by saint Matilda if you want.

[@magafett596]

Do we have to pay for sins committed before baptism in purgatory?

[@stormywells2712]

Yes

[@bernadineperry8340]

If no unclean thing can enter heaven then even after baptism and we commit more sins we are not pure. Nobody on this earth is ever pure except the pure virgin Mary mother of God and Our mother. When we die even though we are forgiven having received the sacrament of Extreme Unction, we still bear the stain of sin so must purge this before we can enter into heaven. Purgatory is a Place of purging and the soul chooses to go there as it immediately knows that it is not capable of going to heaven. Separation from God for a time not like hell where the soul chooses to separate itself forever. There are people who hate God out of pure malice this is wicked.

[@Drayton627]

I done understand something here. If the person has confessed and given absolution why is there a need for expiation since the slate has been wiped clean?

[@user-vf5mx8fh8j]

It mimics our justice system to a certain extent and then goes beyond it. If you commit a crime, tried and convicted, you go and serve your time. It may be short or long. Once your time has been served, you are free to go. Society has forgiven you so to speak. Purgatory is like that, but the living can help speed up the process because as a person in Purgatory you cannot do things (i.e. be a model prisoner, get a degree, etc. that can help you apply for early parole) to help yourself. Why? Only God can do that and God has allowed the living to help the dead. The onus is on us. We are our brothers and sisters keeper. James 5:16 " Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The fervent prayer of a righteous person is very powerful." As Christians, we believe our soul persists (our personhood is still intact) either in Hell or eventually Heaven. When those souls are freed from Purgatory and enter Heaven, they will advocate and pray for us. Sorry for all the edits.

[@mother8696]

It was a shock to me too! I’d skip out of the confessional as a kid, say my penance and happily go on my way… now I do my penance and think “ Well, I wonder if that sin is going to cost me 5 years or 100”… somehow the Protestants skip all this worry.. go figure!

[@user-vf5mx8fh8j]

@mother8696 Protestants may believe that purgation happens instaneously if one is destined for Heaven. It's the only way that they can reconcile Revelation 21:27(" but nothing unclean will enter it, nor any[one] who does abominable things or tells lies. Only those will enter whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.") without admitting that it may take way longer and a state of purgation and a place of purgation are necessary. Getting rid of the Books of Maccabees from the Canon and ignoring Jewish and early Christian practices and beliefs also helps to propagate their view.

[@CharleneClucas]

There are 2 parts to Confession - absolution (forgiveness) and a penance (reparation)

[@user-vf5mx8fh8j]

@CharleneClucas Yes, however, that penance may not have been met in its entirety or more has to be done (ie true conversion, sincere attempts to not sin anymore, etc.)

[@RoshanDC]

what was the name of the St here i dont know how to spell it

[@guderian7795]

KJV John 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." Pray according to Jesus's words and you shall live.

[@Nerfaddict86]

So good question for you with this video what if this sinner does confess to this sin or sins starts changing their lives away and pray the rosary 2-3 times daily and everything else in the religion including adoration will Mary see them in the 3rd layer and get them up to the 2nd or 1st level faster ? Shorter time?

[@UniquelyMary]

These things will definitely help the person go to a much lighter purgatory

[@Nerfaddict86]

Thank you for explaining that better I try to tell people it’s never too late to change like I ask them would you rather be saved from hell and know at worse you’ll be in 3rd level of purgatory or better 1st level. Never too late to change no matter how young and old you are

[@snugglyduck6534]

I asked the Lord for clarity, for it is so, ask and ye shall receive. I was given a stack of books I stumbled upon in a room: Dante's Inferno on top, King James Bible, and two advanced Dungeon and Dragons manuals. We are already in the throws of Wrath (red) and Lust (blue), why the world is this way, angry at duty in God and seeking pleasure in freedom of will. That is the dichotomy here. Everyone loves to talk about sin but not their solutions which were already provided in very simple methodology: Seven Virtues offset Seven Sins. So how to I manage Lust fully: Chastity which means nothing preoccupying the flesh - that's it. How do I manage Wrath: Patience offsets Wrath, not being quick to anger. Where are the religious teachers in these fallen days? There is no other conversation to be had.

[@josuesepulveda6850]

✝️🙏🏻

[@AlwaysLoveGodFirst]

Alvaro, this one touched my heart very deeply. It is only by the grace of God that I did not die when I was living in mortal sin and then I converted. Can you please suggest what would be appropriate sacrifice to be made to atone for the sins of the past and for these souls in the bottom pit in purgatory? I want to do something specific till the day I die. Pax et Bonum.

[@melraymprod]

Seven Pater and Ave from St Bridget (12 years prayer), Rosary (at least one) everyday, Divine Mercy Sunday, Divine Mercy Chaplet at 3PM everyday (or at least a contrite Pater and Ave at 3PM), and fasting on Wednesdays and Fridays for the intentions of Our Lady, except on Feast Days. This is what I personaly do. God bless you and Our Lady keep you.

[@happycamper5211]

I have a question please. Prayers yes, efficacious- but are having Mass said more powerful than prayers for souls such as these?

[@francescos1208]

Mass is the highest form of prayer therefore, yes it’s the most efficacious way especially Gregorian masses

[@happycamper5211]

@@francescos1208 yes so far I am at 40 + masses for my Mother who died recently. I saw a vision of her 9 days after her death with her face reflected by fire (example) sitting at a Campfire, how ones face would look. Golden color with red burns on her face. It is the first soul I have ever seen in color or that spoke and she said "Help Me". I'm trying so hard to not be distraught. My understanding that as frightful as was to see her like that, it was an act of mercy from God. Plz pray for Beverly

[@anitasez]

@@happycamper5211✨🙏✨

[@francescos1208]

@ I will keep Beverly in my prayers. May God have mercy on her soul and bless you and family

[@manorama12]

Yes.

[@joshuacapstick5322]

Are lustful thoughts, Mortally sinful?

[@UniquelyMary]

They can be if we linger on them too long

[@brianlanning836]

Can someone give me a bible verse that supports the existence of purgatory?

[@Brian-hc3qx]

11 For other foundation no man can lay, but that which is laid; which is Christ Jesus. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation, gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble: 13 Every man's work shall be manifest; for the day of the Lord shall declare it, because it shall be revealed in fire; and the fire shall try every man's work, of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide, which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work burn, he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire. [12] "Upon this foundation": The foundation is Christ and his doctrine: or the true faith in him, working through charity. The building upon this foundation gold, silver, and precious stones, signifies the more perfect preaching and practice of the gospel; the wood, hay, and stubble, such preaching as that of the Corinthian teachers (who affected the pomp of words and human eloquence) and such practice as is mixed with much imperfection, and many lesser sins. Now the day of the Lord, and his fiery trial, (in the particular judgment immediately after death,) shall make manifest of what sort every man's work has been: of which, during this life, it is hard to make a judgment. For then the fire of God's judgment shall try every man's work. And they, whose works, like wood, hay, and stubble, cannot abide the fire, shall suffer loss; these works being found to be of no value; yet they themselves, having built upon the right foundation, (by living and dying in the true faith and in the state of grace, though with some imperfection,) shall be saved yet so as by fire; being liable to this punishment, by reason of the wood, hay, and stubble, which was mixed with their building.

[@skeith2]

What are ideas for penance for lust sins ?

[@skeith2]

Ok I just heard the part about praying for them .

[@l0r3st0]

Penance, fasting, prayer, self-denial.

[@figurefour633]

Besides praying for the souls in purgatory who are there for lust, you could pray a rosary, stations of the cross, Divine Mercy Chaplet, etc. spend a holy Hour in adoration.

[@kaitlynnzeller3131]

Alvaro, I have a question. I feel as though I may know the answer, but I just need to know for peace of my anxious mind....if we have mortal sins unatoned for but confessed, and if we are undergoing a great deal of pain/suffering, is it still fruitful to offer up this suffering for souls in purgatory or is it best to offer them up for our own reparation? My greatest struggle is being aware of my sinfulness and feeling as through my ability to offer it up for poor souls or others is a pathetic attempt on my part for souls who are in such great need, while I am more than likely no better off or worse. Hopefully, that makes sense. Sorry for the long comment 😅

[@UniquelyMary]

Even though we may need atonement for our sins - if we help atone for others first - it’s significantly more fruitful in our lives and others - offer it for them

[@kaitlynnzeller3131]

And wow, I just learned that this saint is the patron saint of the chronically ill- how apropos as I've been chronically ill about 14 years of my life. St. Lidwina, pray for me and all who struggle with chronic illness. Thank you, Alvaro for sharing this great saint and great video! 👍

[@kaitlynnzeller3131]

@@UniquelyMary thanks for the response! That's what I thought i heard before and was hoping. Thanks, Alvaro

[@frostyaemiko-22]

I know this is bad and selfish, but.. I'm scared... I'm actually crying in real life.. I can't access confession and I'm too scared.. what do I do.. I have a question though. What is atonement? Is it repentation, or confession without being repentant? Can being unrepentant and still go to confession sever your connection with god severely? Does repentation in include confession? I'm sorry, I'm getting all my religious information from the internet, and I feel.. hopeless. Also, In my religion, I think I was taught that lust is the least severe of the seven deadly sin, with pride being the most. I'm confused, so... idk. Really and truly I pray that anyone going through this fear of losing your connection with god or being eternally punished gets over it.

[@Nerfaddict86]

If each mortal sin 10 plus years on your corpal punishment after you confess to them and repentance daily mass and everything? If that’s the case then if someone committed 8 mortal sins but confess to them and all that stuff then that means he or she would be in 3rd level of purgatory for 80 years correct? Since there are 8 mortal sins

[@johnherrmann6879]

Is this from the catholic church ?

[@notcrazy6288]

Yikes

[@EX58UD]

Can someone explain what it means to lust over your spouse? Is that just desiring them to satisfy your own urges?

[@manorama12]

🤔 good question

[@andrewpatton5114]

One form of lust after your spouse is desiring sex while rejecting the children it produces. Another form consists of desiring your spouse to do degrading things like homemade porn videos. A third consists of pressuring your spouse to have sex regardless of health problems that make it painful or dangerous.

[@l0r3st0]

You and your spouse have an obligation to each other. In fact marriage is allowed in couples who don’t want children but want to control their sexual desires or can’t control their desires on their own. As long as it’s consensual and there’s no abuse. Lust is sinful outside of marriage. Covet not what is not yours.

[@nebf4253]

Lust is one of the seven deadly sins...and is not allowed in marriage either. Of course you can be physically attracted to your spouse. Look up lust and how it's different...look up the Church teaching.

[@cynthiax56]

❤❤❤❤❤

[@erinduvic8579]

That is what Dante Alighieri said.

[@363catman]

While i believe purgatory is possible. If those who are not condemned to hell still suffer this God cannot be a loving God.

[@royhughes2854]

If the Priest heard my confessions and gives me absolution, then am I still going to Purgatory? Is there something else to do for atonement?

[@UniquelyMary]

Nothing is easy, but the easiest thing to do is to offer all of your sufferings that already come in your day - to offer these - unite them to the sufferings of Jesus - and with mass you attend and prayers you say - offer them to Our Lady - ask her to unite them to the sufferings of Jesus and give them to God the Father

[@neridiaz2221]

The church says that absolution forgives our sins, while penance and reparation are still necessary because of the damage caused by mortal sin. Also, venial sins if not sincerely repented from and repaired require purgatory. I would recommend obtaining a plenary indulgence for yourself and from that moment on starting to do reparation as a habit by offering prayer or an act of sacrifice as reparation. I for example offer the divine mercy chaplet as reparation besides my daily prayer (the rosary and 5 min of meditation) or for sacrifice I usually offer not eating food I like too much for a whole day or not listening to music a whole day or even doing some charity act can be offered as reparation. So basically with absolution God forgives mortal sins, meaning you don't deserve hell, but requires completing penance given by the priest and reparation to avoid purgatory.

[@sinnz146]

Where in the bible is "Purgatory" mentioned? If God or Jesus never mentioned it, who came up with it? Is this just a Catholic thing?

[@dmm3124]

Read the letters of St. Paul. It is not "a Catholic thing." It's a Christian thing. And Jesus refers to it in Matthew 5:25-26. Revelation 21:27, "But nothing unclean shall enter Heaven"

[@sinnz146]

@@dmm3124 I've read and read the bible. Point me to a verse that talks about purgatory. Matthew 5:25 has absolutely nothing to do with "purgatory". Revelation 21:27 has NOTHING to do with purgatory. Hell is separation from God. Not "purgatory".

[@Brian-hc3qx]

11 For other foundation no man can lay, but that which is laid; which is Christ Jesus. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation, gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble: 13 Every man's work shall be manifest; for the day of the Lord shall declare it, because it shall be revealed in fire; and the fire shall try every man's work, of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide, which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work burn, he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire. [12] "Upon this foundation": The foundation is Christ and his doctrine: or the true faith in him, working through charity. The building upon this foundation gold, silver, and precious stones, signifies the more perfect preaching and practice of the gospel; the wood, hay, and stubble, such preaching as that of the Corinthian teachers (who affected the pomp of words and human eloquence) and such practice as is mixed with much imperfection, and many lesser sins. Now the day of the Lord, and his fiery trial, (in the particular judgment immediately after death,) shall make manifest of what sort every man's work has been: of which, during this life, it is hard to make a judgment. For then the fire of God's judgment shall try every man's work. And they, whose works, like wood, hay, and stubble, cannot abide the fire, shall suffer loss; these works being found to be of no value; yet they themselves, having built upon the right foundation, (by living and dying in the true faith and in the state of grace, though with some imperfection,) shall be saved yet so as by fire; being liable to this punishment, by reason of the wood, hay, and stubble, which was mixed with their building. Early Church Fathers teachings on purgatory : Tertullian “We offer sacrifices for the dead on their birthday anniversaries [the date of death-birth into eternal life]” (The Crown 3:3 [A.D. 211]). “A woman, after the death of her husband . . . prays for his soul and asks that he may, while waiting, find rest; and that he may share in the first resurrection. And each year, on the anniversary of his death, she offers the sacrifice” (Monogamy 10:1-2 [A.D. 216]). Cyril of Jerusalem “Then we make mention also of those who have already fallen asleep: first, the patriarchs, prophets, apostles, and martyrs, that through their prayers and supplications God would receive our petition; next, we make mention also of the holy fathers and bishops who have already fallen asleep, and, to put it simply, of all among us who have already fallen asleep, for we believe that it will be of very great benefit to the souls of those for whom the petition is carried up, while this holy and most solemn sacrifice is laid out” (Catechetical Lectures 23:5:9 [A.D. 350]). Gregory of Nyssa “If a man distinguish in himself what is peculiarly human from that which is irrational, and if he be on the watch for a life of greater urbanity for himself, in this present life he will purify himself of any evil contracted, overcoming the irrational by reason. If he has inclined to the irrational pressure of the passions, using for the passions the cooperating hide of things irrational, he may afterward in a quite different manner be very much interested in what is better, when, after his departure out of the body, he gains knowledge of the difference between virtue and vice and finds that he is not able to partake of divinity until he has been purged of the filthy contagion in his soul by the purifying fire” (Sermon on the Dead [A.D. 382]). John Chrysostom “Let us help and commemorate them. If Job’s sons were purified by their father’s sacrifice [Job 1:5], why would we doubt that our offerings for the dead bring them some consolation? Let us not hesitate to help those who have died and to offer our prayers for them” (Homilies on First Corinthians 41:5 [A.D. 392]). “Weep for those who die in their wealth and who with all their wealth prepared no consolation for their own souls, who had the power to wash away their sins and did not will to do it. Let us weep for them, let us assist them to the extent of our ability, let us think of some assistance for them, small as it may be, yet let us somehow assist them. But how, and in what way? By praying for them and by entreating others to pray for them, by constantly giving alms to the poor on their behalf. Not in vain was it decreed by the apostles that in the awesome mysteries remembrance should be made of the departed. They knew that here there was much gain for them, much benefit. When the entire people stands with hands uplifted, a priestly assembly, and that awesome sacrificial Victim is laid out, how, when we are calling upon God, should we not succeed in their defense? But this is done for those who have departed in the faith, while even the catechumens are not reckoned as worthy of this consolation, but are deprived of every means of assistance except one. And what is that? We may give alms to the poor on their behalf” (Homilies on Philippians 3:9-10 [A.D. 402]). Augustine “There is an ecclesiastical discipline, as the faithful know, when the names of the martyrs are read aloud in that place at the altar of God, where prayer is not offered for them. Prayer, however, is offered for other dead who are remembered. It is wrong to pray for a martyr, to whose prayers we ought ourselves be commended” (Sermons 159:1 [A.D. 411]). “But by the prayers of the holy Church, and by the salvific sacrifice, and by the alms which are given for their spirits, there is no doubt that the dead are aided, that the Lord might deal more mercifully with them than their sins would deserve. The whole Church observes this practice which was handed down by the Fathers: that it prays for those who have died in the communion of the Body and Blood of Christ, when they are commemorated in their own place in the sacrifice itself; and the sacrifice is offered also in memory of them, on their behalf. If, then, works of mercy are celebrated for the sake of those who are being remembered, who would hesitate to recommend them, on whose behalf prayers to God are not offered in vain? It is not at all to be doubted that such prayers are of profit to the dead; but for such of them as lived before their death in a way that makes it possible for these things to be useful to them after death” (ibid., 172:2). “Temporal punishments are suffered by some in this life only, by some after death, by some both here and hereafter, but all of them before that last and strictest judgment. But not all who suffer temporal punishments after death will come to eternal punishments, which are to follow after that judgment” (The City of God 21:13 [A.D. 419]). “That there should be some fire even after this life is not incredible, and it can be inquired into and either be discovered or left hidden whether some of the faithful may be saved, some more slowly and some more quickly in the greater or lesser degree in which they loved the good things that perish, through a certain purgatorial fire” (Handbook on Faith, Hope, and Charity 18:69 [A.D. 421]). “The time which interposes between the death of a man and the final resurrection holds souls in hidden retreats, accordingly as each is deserving of rest or of hardship, in view of what it merited when it was living in the flesh. Nor can it be denied that the souls of the dead find relief through the piety of their friends and relatives who are still alive, when the Sacrifice of the Mediator [Mass] is offered for them, or when alms are given in the Church. But these things are of profit to those who, when they were alive, merited that they might afterward be able to be helped by these things. There is a certain manner of living, neither so good that there is no need of these helps after death, nor yet so wicked that these helps are of no avail after death” (ibid., 29:109).

[@geoffbuj1647]

I dont care anymore

[@reneefurrer2712]

The Holy bible says nothing about a purgatory. The only way to the Father, God, is through the Son, Jesus as the Bible says. No where in the Bible does it say to pray to or whorship Mary. Since Christ has died on the cross for our sins, we do not need to confess our sins to a priest. We aks forgiveness of our sins and ask Christ to come into our hearts to be our Lord and Savior and as Christ was baptized by John the Baptists, so are we Baptised. If you read the Bible, you will know these things. You have many cult like things that aren't even in the Bible.

[@Brian-hc3qx]

11 For other foundation no man can lay, but that which is laid; which is Christ Jesus. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation, gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble: 13 Every man's work shall be manifest; for the day of the Lord shall declare it, because it shall be revealed in fire; and the fire shall try every man's work, of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide, which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work burn, he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire. [12] "Upon this foundation": The foundation is Christ and his doctrine: or the true faith in him, working through charity. The building upon this foundation gold, silver, and precious stones, signifies the more perfect preaching and practice of the gospel; the wood, hay, and stubble, such preaching as that of the Corinthian teachers (who affected the pomp of words and human eloquence) and such practice as is mixed with much imperfection, and many lesser sins. Now the day of the Lord, and his fiery trial, (in the particular judgment immediately after death,) shall make manifest of what sort every man's work has been: of which, during this life, it is hard to make a judgment. For then the fire of God's judgment shall try every man's work. And they, whose works, like wood, hay, and stubble, cannot abide the fire, shall suffer loss; these works being found to be of no value; yet they themselves, having built upon the right foundation, (by living and dying in the true faith and in the state of grace, though with some imperfection,) shall be saved yet so as by fire; being liable to this punishment, by reason of the wood, hay, and stubble, which was mixed with their building. Early Church Fathers teachings on purgatory : Tertullian “We offer sacrifices for the dead on their birthday anniversaries [the date of death-birth into eternal life]” (The Crown 3:3 [A.D. 211]). “A woman, after the death of her husband . . . prays for his soul and asks that he may, while waiting, find rest; and that he may share in the first resurrection. And each year, on the anniversary of his death, she offers the sacrifice” (Monogamy 10:1-2 [A.D. 216]). Cyril of Jerusalem “Then we make mention also of those who have already fallen asleep: first, the patriarchs, prophets, apostles, and martyrs, that through their prayers and supplications God would receive our petition; next, we make mention also of the holy fathers and bishops who have already fallen asleep, and, to put it simply, of all among us who have already fallen asleep, for we believe that it will be of very great benefit to the souls of those for whom the petition is carried up, while this holy and most solemn sacrifice is laid out” (Catechetical Lectures 23:5:9 [A.D. 350]). Gregory of Nyssa “If a man distinguish in himself what is peculiarly human from that which is irrational, and if he be on the watch for a life of greater urbanity for himself, in this present life he will purify himself of any evil contracted, overcoming the irrational by reason. If he has inclined to the irrational pressure of the passions, using for the passions the cooperating hide of things irrational, he may afterward in a quite different manner be very much interested in what is better, when, after his departure out of the body, he gains knowledge of the difference between virtue and vice and finds that he is not able to partake of divinity until he has been purged of the filthy contagion in his soul by the purifying fire” (Sermon on the Dead [A.D. 382]). John Chrysostom “Let us help and commemorate them. If Job’s sons were purified by their father’s sacrifice [Job 1:5], why would we doubt that our offerings for the dead bring them some consolation? Let us not hesitate to help those who have died and to offer our prayers for them” (Homilies on First Corinthians 41:5 [A.D. 392]). “Weep for those who die in their wealth and who with all their wealth prepared no consolation for their own souls, who had the power to wash away their sins and did not will to do it. Let us weep for them, let us assist them to the extent of our ability, let us think of some assistance for them, small as it may be, yet let us somehow assist them. But how, and in what way? By praying for them and by entreating others to pray for them, by constantly giving alms to the poor on their behalf. Not in vain was it decreed by the apostles that in the awesome mysteries remembrance should be made of the departed. They knew that here there was much gain for them, much benefit. When the entire people stands with hands uplifted, a priestly assembly, and that awesome sacrificial Victim is laid out, how, when we are calling upon God, should we not succeed in their defense? But this is done for those who have departed in the faith, while even the catechumens are not reckoned as worthy of this consolation, but are deprived of every means of assistance except one. And what is that? We may give alms to the poor on their behalf” (Homilies on Philippians 3:9-10 [A.D. 402]). Augustine “There is an ecclesiastical discipline, as the faithful know, when the names of the martyrs are read aloud in that place at the altar of God, where prayer is not offered for them. Prayer, however, is offered for other dead who are remembered. It is wrong to pray for a martyr, to whose prayers we ought ourselves be commended” (Sermons 159:1 [A.D. 411]). “But by the prayers of the holy Church, and by the salvific sacrifice, and by the alms which are given for their spirits, there is no doubt that the dead are aided, that the Lord might deal more mercifully with them than their sins would deserve. The whole Church observes this practice which was handed down by the Fathers: that it prays for those who have died in the communion of the Body and Blood of Christ, when they are commemorated in their own place in the sacrifice itself; and the sacrifice is offered also in memory of them, on their behalf. If, then, works of mercy are celebrated for the sake of those who are being remembered, who would hesitate to recommend them, on whose behalf prayers to God are not offered in vain? It is not at all to be doubted that such prayers are of profit to the dead; but for such of them as lived before their death in a way that makes it possible for these things to be useful to them after death” (ibid., 172:2). “Temporal punishments are suffered by some in this life only, by some after death, by some both here and hereafter, but all of them before that last and strictest judgment. But not all who suffer temporal punishments after death will come to eternal punishments, which are to follow after that judgment” (The City of God 21:13 [A.D. 419]). “That there should be some fire even after this life is not incredible, and it can be inquired into and either be discovered or left hidden whether some of the faithful may be saved, some more slowly and some more quickly in the greater or lesser degree in which they loved the good things that perish, through a certain purgatorial fire” (Handbook on Faith, Hope, and Charity 18:69 [A.D. 421]). “The time which interposes between the death of a man and the final resurrection holds souls in hidden retreats, accordingly as each is deserving of rest or of hardship, in view of what it merited when it was living in the flesh. Nor can it be denied that the souls of the dead find relief through the piety of their friends and relatives who are still alive, when the Sacrifice of the Mediator [Mass] is offered for them, or when alms are given in the Church. But these things are of profit to those who, when they were alive, merited that they might afterward be able to be helped by these things. There is a certain manner of living, neither so good that there is no need of these helps after death, nor yet so wicked that these helps are of no avail after death” (ibid., 29:109).

[@lindakelly49]

With Information like this, I honestly wish I'd never been born. I hate purgatory, and hell! I hate all separation from God. I want my soul to be cleaned like a magic erase board at the time of death. Seriously, I'd prefer to have never been born. This life is hard enough, then more suffering. God, why? Why? Why?!

[@UniquelyMary]

Don’t wish that - instead abandon yourself to the hands our Our Lady and pray for the souls in purgatory - they will help you become a saint

[@l0r3st0]

Think of it in a positive light. We have sinned, hence we must pay whoever we’ve hurt, more so if it’s God. He wants us to deserve Heaven so we must be cleansed. He always wants our good. Our happiness. The more we pray to God, the more we know how to avoid sin. The more we pray to Him, the more He is pleased with us. Prayer gives us peace, joy and strength. There’s no happiness without God. Negativity is from the devil.

[@neridiaz2221]

Kelly, about a year ago I found myself recently converted to catholicism and having the same thoughts as you, that is called despair. Despair is basically forgetting that God is merciful, that he loves you and that he wants you to be eternally in heaven with him, that is why Jesus died in the cross, even though he could have simply decided to forgive our sins without ending up on the cross, he wanted to show us how much he loves us by suffering those torments on the cross. I got out of despair by meditating on this and by asking God in prayer to give me the graces of faith, hope and love. I'll pray for you today and I recommend you obtain a plenary indulgence, which removes all need of purgatory because of past sins. This year it's possible to obtain many plenary indulgences and even offer them for a soul in purgatory a day so that he or she can go to heaven immediately after you offer it. Here is a page that explains how to obtain plenary indulgence: www.ncregister.com/news/jubilee-2025-indulgences#:~:text=January%203%2C%202025-,The%20Vatican%20has%20detailed%20how%20to%20obtain%20plenary%20indulgences%20%E2%80%94%20removing,Our%20Father%20and%20Hail%20Mary). And remember: Christ said that those that give mercy will receive great mercy too.

[@sanctifyme4543]

Offer up this very suffering!!!..you WILL store up treasures in He even...you are hypersensitive, and Christ and Our Lady can use this to assist in the Salvation Plan..just keep offering EVERYTHING up for Their Intentions and the poor Souls no one else prays for...one day we will see the beautiful fruit of all this..God Bless you and be strong in The Faith..Jesus will be SO pleased with you!..❤️❤️❤️🙏✝️🕊️🤱🩸🌹.

[@saintsamaritan]

Kindred spirit, maybe. THANK YOU! People who haven't had deep problems easily dole out advice/give you info/tell you what to do (and in real life not social media, folks ignore you or talk about you behind your back). I hate that. Catch 22: You seek help but the same scenario happens again: you can't mention to others your problems - it just gets messy - and they judge you WAY more than help or invite. I struggle with anxiety and depression, and possess a very real lack of familial love, so much so that it wouldn't be wise to get married. (With the loneliness and frustration of life, I seem sometimes can't help but dream of pretty girls liking me unto nude awesome pretty smiling girls, wonderful, then I can't resist fantasizing.) Then to hear this "damning" info, I'm like, life sucks once again.

[@helensullivan4179]

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[@sarahconnor8189]

There is NO purgatory,,,if there was, then what Jesus did WASNT ENOUGH....HELLOOOOOO...think about that,,thats why he said its FINISHED...you catholics...

[@Brian-hc3qx]

11 For other foundation no man can lay, but that which is laid; which is Christ Jesus. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation, gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble: 13 Every man's work shall be manifest; for the day of the Lord shall declare it, because it shall be revealed in fire; and the fire shall try every man's work, of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide, which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work burn, he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire. [12] "Upon this foundation": The foundation is Christ and his doctrine: or the true faith in him, working through charity. The building upon this foundation gold, silver, and precious stones, signifies the more perfect preaching and practice of the gospel; the wood, hay, and stubble, such preaching as that of the Corinthian teachers (who affected the pomp of words and human eloquence) and such practice as is mixed with much imperfection, and many lesser sins. Now the day of the Lord, and his fiery trial, (in the particular judgment immediately after death,) shall make manifest of what sort every man's work has been: of which, during this life, it is hard to make a judgment. For then the fire of God's judgment shall try every man's work. And they, whose works, like wood, hay, and stubble, cannot abide the fire, shall suffer loss; these works being found to be of no value; yet they themselves, having built upon the right foundation, (by living and dying in the true faith and in the state of grace, though with some imperfection,) shall be saved yet so as by fire; being liable to this punishment, by reason of the wood, hay, and stubble, which was mixed with their building. Early Church Fathers teachings on purgatory : Tertullian “We offer sacrifices for the dead on their birthday anniversaries [the date of death-birth into eternal life]” (The Crown 3:3 [A.D. 211]). “A woman, after the death of her husband . . . prays for his soul and asks that he may, while waiting, find rest; and that he may share in the first resurrection. And each year, on the anniversary of his death, she offers the sacrifice” (Monogamy 10:1-2 [A.D. 216]). Cyril of Jerusalem “Then we make mention also of those who have already fallen asleep: first, the patriarchs, prophets, apostles, and martyrs, that through their prayers and supplications God would receive our petition; next, we make mention also of the holy fathers and bishops who have already fallen asleep, and, to put it simply, of all among us who have already fallen asleep, for we believe that it will be of very great benefit to the souls of those for whom the petition is carried up, while this holy and most solemn sacrifice is laid out” (Catechetical Lectures 23:5:9 [A.D. 350]). Gregory of Nyssa “If a man distinguish in himself what is peculiarly human from that which is irrational, and if he be on the watch for a life of greater urbanity for himself, in this present life he will purify himself of any evil contracted, overcoming the irrational by reason. If he has inclined to the irrational pressure of the passions, using for the passions the cooperating hide of things irrational, he may afterward in a quite different manner be very much interested in what is better, when, after his departure out of the body, he gains knowledge of the difference between virtue and vice and finds that he is not able to partake of divinity until he has been purged of the filthy contagion in his soul by the purifying fire” (Sermon on the Dead [A.D. 382]). John Chrysostom “Let us help and commemorate them. If Job’s sons were purified by their father’s sacrifice [Job 1:5], why would we doubt that our offerings for the dead bring them some consolation? Let us not hesitate to help those who have died and to offer our prayers for them” (Homilies on First Corinthians 41:5 [A.D. 392]). “Weep for those who die in their wealth and who with all their wealth prepared no consolation for their own souls, who had the power to wash away their sins and did not will to do it. Let us weep for them, let us assist them to the extent of our ability, let us think of some assistance for them, small as it may be, yet let us somehow assist them. But how, and in what way? By praying for them and by entreating others to pray for them, by constantly giving alms to the poor on their behalf. Not in vain was it decreed by the apostles that in the awesome mysteries remembrance should be made of the departed. They knew that here there was much gain for them, much benefit. When the entire people stands with hands uplifted, a priestly assembly, and that awesome sacrificial Victim is laid out, how, when we are calling upon God, should we not succeed in their defense? But this is done for those who have departed in the faith, while even the catechumens are not reckoned as worthy of this consolation, but are deprived of every means of assistance except one. And what is that? We may give alms to the poor on their behalf” (Homilies on Philippians 3:9-10 [A.D. 402]). Augustine “There is an ecclesiastical discipline, as the faithful know, when the names of the martyrs are read aloud in that place at the altar of God, where prayer is not offered for them. Prayer, however, is offered for other dead who are remembered. It is wrong to pray for a martyr, to whose prayers we ought ourselves be commended” (Sermons 159:1 [A.D. 411]). “But by the prayers of the holy Church, and by the salvific sacrifice, and by the alms which are given for their spirits, there is no doubt that the dead are aided, that the Lord might deal more mercifully with them than their sins would deserve. The whole Church observes this practice which was handed down by the Fathers: that it prays for those who have died in the communion of the Body and Blood of Christ, when they are commemorated in their own place in the sacrifice itself; and the sacrifice is offered also in memory of them, on their behalf. If, then, works of mercy are celebrated for the sake of those who are being remembered, who would hesitate to recommend them, on whose behalf prayers to God are not offered in vain? It is not at all to be doubted that such prayers are of profit to the dead; but for such of them as lived before their death in a way that makes it possible for these things to be useful to them after death” (ibid., 172:2). “Temporal punishments are suffered by some in this life only, by some after death, by some both here and hereafter, but all of them before that last and strictest judgment. But not all who suffer temporal punishments after death will come to eternal punishments, which are to follow after that judgment” (The City of God 21:13 [A.D. 419]). “That there should be some fire even after this life is not incredible, and it can be inquired into and either be discovered or left hidden whether some of the faithful may be saved, some more slowly and some more quickly in the greater or lesser degree in which they loved the good things that perish, through a certain purgatorial fire” (Handbook on Faith, Hope, and Charity 18:69 [A.D. 421]). “The time which interposes between the death of a man and the final resurrection holds souls in hidden retreats, accordingly as each is deserving of rest or of hardship, in view of what it merited when it was living in the flesh. Nor can it be denied that the souls of the dead find relief through the piety of their friends and relatives who are still alive, when the Sacrifice of the Mediator [Mass] is offered for them, or when alms are given in the Church. But these things are of profit to those who, when they were alive, merited that they might afterward be able to be helped by these things. There is a certain manner of living, neither so good that there is no need of these helps after death, nor yet so wicked that these helps are of no avail after death” (ibid., 29:109).

[@Brian-hc3qx]

11 For other foundation no man can lay, but that which is laid; which is Christ Jesus. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation, gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble: 13 Every man's work shall be manifest; for the day of the Lord shall declare it, because it shall be revealed in fire; and the fire shall try every man's work, of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide, which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work burn, he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire. [12] "Upon this foundation": The foundation is Christ and his doctrine: or the true faith in him, working through charity. The building upon this foundation gold, silver, and precious stones, signifies the more perfect preaching and practice of the gospel; the wood, hay, and stubble, such preaching as that of the Corinthian teachers (who affected the pomp of words and human eloquence) and such practice as is mixed with much imperfection, and many lesser sins. Now the day of the Lord, and his fiery trial, (in the particular judgment immediately after death,) shall make manifest of what sort every man's work has been: of which, during this life, it is hard to make a judgment. For then the fire of God's judgment shall try every man's work. And they, whose works, like wood, hay, and stubble, cannot abide the fire, shall suffer loss; these works being found to be of no value; yet they themselves, having built upon the right foundation, (by living and dying in the true faith and in the state of grace, though with some imperfection,) shall be saved yet so as by fire; being liable to this punishment, by reason of the wood, hay, and stubble, which was mixed with their building. Early Church Fathers teachings on purgatory : Tertullian “We offer sacrifices for the dead on their birthday anniversaries [the date of death-birth into eternal life]” (The Crown 3:3 [A.D. 211]). “A woman, after the death of her husband . . . prays for his soul and asks that he may, while waiting, find rest; and that he may share in the first resurrection. And each year, on the anniversary of his death, she offers the sacrifice” (Monogamy 10:1-2 [A.D. 216]). Cyril of Jerusalem “Then we make mention also of those who have already fallen asleep: first, the patriarchs, prophets, apostles, and martyrs, that through their prayers and supplications God would receive our petition; next, we make mention also of the holy fathers and bishops who have already fallen asleep, and, to put it simply, of all among us who have already fallen asleep, for we believe that it will be of very great benefit to the souls of those for whom the petition is carried up, while this holy and most solemn sacrifice is laid out” (Catechetical Lectures 23:5:9 [A.D. 350]). Gregory of Nyssa “If a man distinguish in himself what is peculiarly human from that which is irrational, and if he be on the watch for a life of greater urbanity for himself, in this present life he will purify himself of any evil contracted, overcoming the irrational by reason. If he has inclined to the irrational pressure of the passions, using for the passions the cooperating hide of things irrational, he may afterward in a quite different manner be very much interested in what is better, when, after his departure out of the body, he gains knowledge of the difference between virtue and vice and finds that he is not able to partake of divinity until he has been purged of the filthy contagion in his soul by the purifying fire” (Sermon on the Dead [A.D. 382]). John Chrysostom “Let us help and commemorate them. If Job’s sons were purified by their father’s sacrifice [Job 1:5], why would we doubt that our offerings for the dead bring them some consolation? Let us not hesitate to help those who have died and to offer our prayers for them” (Homilies on First Corinthians 41:5 [A.D. 392]). “Weep for those who die in their wealth and who with all their wealth prepared no consolation for their own souls, who had the power to wash away their sins and did not will to do it. Let us weep for them, let us assist them to the extent of our ability, let us think of some assistance for them, small as it may be, yet let us somehow assist them. But how, and in what way? By praying for them and by entreating others to pray for them, by constantly giving alms to the poor on their behalf. Not in vain was it decreed by the apostles that in the awesome mysteries remembrance should be made of the departed. They knew that here there was much gain for them, much benefit. When the entire people stands with hands uplifted, a priestly assembly, and that awesome sacrificial Victim is laid out, how, when we are calling upon God, should we not succeed in their defense? But this is done for those who have departed in the faith, while even the catechumens are not reckoned as worthy of this consolation, but are deprived of every means of assistance except one. And what is that? We may give alms to the poor on their behalf” (Homilies on Philippians 3:9-10 [A.D. 402]). Augustine “There is an ecclesiastical discipline, as the faithful know, when the names of the martyrs are read aloud in that place at the altar of God, where prayer is not offered for them. Prayer, however, is offered for other dead who are remembered. It is wrong to pray for a martyr, to whose prayers we ought ourselves be commended” (Sermons 159:1 [A.D. 411]). “But by the prayers of the holy Church, and by the salvific sacrifice, and by the alms which are given for their spirits, there is no doubt that the dead are aided, that the Lord might deal more mercifully with them than their sins would deserve. The whole Church observes this practice which was handed down by the Fathers: that it prays for those who have died in the communion of the Body and Blood of Christ, when they are commemorated in their own place in the sacrifice itself; and the sacrifice is offered also in memory of them, on their behalf. If, then, works of mercy are celebrated for the sake of those who are being remembered, who would hesitate to recommend them, on whose behalf prayers to God are not offered in vain? It is not at all to be doubted that such prayers are of profit to the dead; but for such of them as lived before their death in a way that makes it possible for these things to be useful to them after death” (ibid., 172:2). “Temporal punishments are suffered by some in this life only, by some after death, by some both here and hereafter, but all of them before that last and strictest judgment. But not all who suffer temporal punishments after death will come to eternal punishments, which are to follow after that judgment” (The City of God 21:13 [A.D. 419]). “That there should be some fire even after this life is not incredible, and it can be inquired into and either be discovered or left hidden whether some of the faithful may be saved, some more slowly and some more quickly in the greater or lesser degree in which they loved the good things that perish, through a certain purgatorial fire” (Handbook on Faith, Hope, and Charity 18:69 [A.D. 421]). “The time which interposes between the death of a man and the final resurrection holds souls in hidden retreats, accordingly as each is deserving of rest or of hardship, in view of what it merited when it was living in the flesh. Nor can it be denied that the souls of the dead find relief through the piety of their friends and relatives who are still alive, when the Sacrifice of the Mediator [Mass] is offered for them, or when alms are given in the Church. But these things are of profit to those who, when they were alive, merited that they might afterward be able to be helped by these things. There is a certain manner of living, neither so good that there is no need of these helps after death, nor yet so wicked that these helps are of no avail after death” (ibid., 29:109).

[@Brian-hc3qx]

11 For other foundation no man can lay, but that which is laid; which is Christ Jesus. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation, gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble: 13 Every man's work shall be manifest; for the day of the Lord shall declare it, because it shall be revealed in fire; and the fire shall try every man's work, of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide, which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work burn, he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire. [12] "Upon this foundation": The foundation is Christ and his doctrine: or the true faith in him, working through charity. The building upon this foundation gold, silver, and precious stones, signifies the more perfect preaching and practice of the gospel; the wood, hay, and stubble, such preaching as that of the Corinthian teachers (who affected the pomp of words and human eloquence) and such practice as is mixed with much imperfection, and many lesser sins. Now the day of the Lord, and his fiery trial, (in the particular judgment immediately after death,) shall make manifest of what sort every man's work has been: of which, during this life, it is hard to make a judgment. For then the fire of God's judgment shall try every man's work. And they, whose works, like wood, hay, and stubble, cannot abide the fire, shall suffer loss; these works being found to be of no value; yet they themselves, having built upon the right foundation, (by living and dying in the true faith and in the state of grace, though with some imperfection,) shall be saved yet so as by fire; being liable to this punishment, by reason of the wood, hay, and stubble, which was mixed with their building. Early Church Fathers teachings on purgatory : Tertullian “We offer sacrifices for the dead on their birthday anniversaries [the date of death-birth into eternal life]” (The Crown 3:3 [A.D. 211]). “A woman, after the death of her husband . . . prays for his soul and asks that he may, while waiting, find rest; and that he may share in the first resurrection. And each year, on the anniversary of his death, she offers the sacrifice” (Monogamy 10:1-2 [A.D. 216]). Cyril of Jerusalem “Then we make mention also of those who have already fallen asleep: first, the patriarchs, prophets, apostles, and martyrs, that through their prayers and supplications God would receive our petition; next, we make mention also of the holy fathers and bishops who have already fallen asleep, and, to put it simply, of all among us who have already fallen asleep, for we believe that it will be of very great benefit to the souls of those for whom the petition is carried up, while this holy and most solemn sacrifice is laid out” (Catechetical Lectures 23:5:9 [A.D. 350]). Gregory of Nyssa “If a man distinguish in himself what is peculiarly human from that which is irrational, and if he be on the watch for a life of greater urbanity for himself, in this present life he will purify himself of any evil contracted, overcoming the irrational by reason. If he has inclined to the irrational pressure of the passions, using for the passions the cooperating hide of things irrational, he may afterward in a quite different manner be very much interested in what is better, when, after his departure out of the body, he gains knowledge of the difference between virtue and vice and finds that he is not able to partake of divinity until he has been purged of the filthy contagion in his soul by the purifying fire” (Sermon on the Dead [A.D. 382]). John Chrysostom “Let us help and commemorate them. If Job’s sons were purified by their father’s sacrifice [Job 1:5], why would we doubt that our offerings for the dead bring them some consolation? Let us not hesitate to help those who have died and to offer our prayers for them” (Homilies on First Corinthians 41:5 [A.D. 392]). “Weep for those who die in their wealth and who with all their wealth prepared no consolation for their own souls, who had the power to wash away their sins and did not will to do it. Let us weep for them, let us assist them to the extent of our ability, let us think of some assistance for them, small as it may be, yet let us somehow assist them. But how, and in what way? By praying for them and by entreating others to pray for them, by constantly giving alms to the poor on their behalf. Not in vain was it decreed by the apostles that in the awesome mysteries remembrance should be made of the departed. They knew that here there was much gain for them, much benefit. When the entire people stands with hands uplifted, a priestly assembly, and that awesome sacrificial Victim is laid out, how, when we are calling upon God, should we not succeed in their defense? But this is done for those who have departed in the faith, while even the catechumens are not reckoned as worthy of this consolation, but are deprived of every means of assistance except one. And what is that? We may give alms to the poor on their behalf” (Homilies on Philippians 3:9-10 [A.D. 402]). Augustine “There is an ecclesiastical discipline, as the faithful know, when the names of the martyrs are read aloud in that place at the altar of God, where prayer is not offered for them. Prayer, however, is offered for other dead who are remembered. It is wrong to pray for a martyr, to whose prayers we ought ourselves be commended” (Sermons 159:1 [A.D. 411]). “But by the prayers of the holy Church, and by the salvific sacrifice, and by the alms which are given for their spirits, there is no doubt that the dead are aided, that the Lord might deal more mercifully with them than their sins would deserve. The whole Church observes this practice which was handed down by the Fathers: that it prays for those who have died in the communion of the Body and Blood of Christ, when they are commemorated in their own place in the sacrifice itself; and the sacrifice is offered also in memory of them, on their behalf. If, then, works of mercy are celebrated for the sake of those who are being remembered, who would hesitate to recommend them, on whose behalf prayers to God are not offered in vain? It is not at all to be doubted that such prayers are of profit to the dead; but for such of them as lived before their death in a way that makes it possible for these things to be useful to them after death” (ibid., 172:2). “Temporal punishments are suffered by some in this life only, by some after death, by some both here and hereafter, but all of them before that last and strictest judgment. But not all who suffer temporal punishments after death will come to eternal punishments, which are to follow after that judgment” (The City of God 21:13 [A.D. 419]). “That there should be some fire even after this life is not incredible, and it can be inquired into and either be discovered or left hidden whether some of the faithful may be saved, some more slowly and some more quickly in the greater or lesser degree in which they loved the good things that perish, through a certain purgatorial fire” (Handbook on Faith, Hope, and Charity 18:69 [A.D. 421]). “The time which interposes between the death of a man and the final resurrection holds souls in hidden retreats, accordingly as each is deserving of rest or of hardship, in view of what it merited when it was living in the flesh. Nor can it be denied that the souls of the dead find relief through the piety of their friends and relatives who are still alive, when the Sacrifice of the Mediator [Mass] is offered for them, or when alms are given in the Church. But these things are of profit to those who, when they were alive, merited that they might afterward be able to be helped by these things. There is a certain manner of living, neither so good that there is no need of these helps after death, nor yet so wicked that these helps are of no avail after death” (ibid., 29:109).

[@Mike-wh7nf]

Nowhere in the Bible or in the book of Enoch or any of the other canonical books does it say there is a purgatory. You go straight to hell. Read your bibles.

[@Brian-hc3qx]

11 For other foundation no man can lay, but that which is laid; which is Christ Jesus. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation, gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble: 13 Every man's work shall be manifest; for the day of the Lord shall declare it, because it shall be revealed in fire; and the fire shall try every man's work, of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide, which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work burn, he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire. [12] "Upon this foundation": The foundation is Christ and his doctrine: or the true faith in him, working through charity. The building upon this foundation gold, silver, and precious stones, signifies the more perfect preaching and practice of the gospel; the wood, hay, and stubble, such preaching as that of the Corinthian teachers (who affected the pomp of words and human eloquence) and such practice as is mixed with much imperfection, and many lesser sins. Now the day of the Lord, and his fiery trial, (in the particular judgment immediately after death,) shall make manifest of what sort every man's work has been: of which, during this life, it is hard to make a judgment. For then the fire of God's judgment shall try every man's work. And they, whose works, like wood, hay, and stubble, cannot abide the fire, shall suffer loss; these works being found to be of no value; yet they themselves, having built upon the right foundation, (by living and dying in the true faith and in the state of grace, though with some imperfection,) shall be saved yet so as by fire; being liable to this punishment, by reason of the wood, hay, and stubble, which was mixed with their building. Early Church Fathers teachings on purgatory : Tertullian “We offer sacrifices for the dead on their birthday anniversaries [the date of death-birth into eternal life]” (The Crown 3:3 [A.D. 211]). “A woman, after the death of her husband . . . prays for his soul and asks that he may, while waiting, find rest; and that he may share in the first resurrection. And each year, on the anniversary of his death, she offers the sacrifice” (Monogamy 10:1-2 [A.D. 216]). Cyril of Jerusalem “Then we make mention also of those who have already fallen asleep: first, the patriarchs, prophets, apostles, and martyrs, that through their prayers and supplications God would receive our petition; next, we make mention also of the holy fathers and bishops who have already fallen asleep, and, to put it simply, of all among us who have already fallen asleep, for we believe that it will be of very great benefit to the souls of those for whom the petition is carried up, while this holy and most solemn sacrifice is laid out” (Catechetical Lectures 23:5:9 [A.D. 350]). Gregory of Nyssa “If a man distinguish in himself what is peculiarly human from that which is irrational, and if he be on the watch for a life of greater urbanity for himself, in this present life he will purify himself of any evil contracted, overcoming the irrational by reason. If he has inclined to the irrational pressure of the passions, using for the passions the cooperating hide of things irrational, he may afterward in a quite different manner be very much interested in what is better, when, after his departure out of the body, he gains knowledge of the difference between virtue and vice and finds that he is not able to partake of divinity until he has been purged of the filthy contagion in his soul by the purifying fire” (Sermon on the Dead [A.D. 382]). John Chrysostom “Let us help and commemorate them. If Job’s sons were purified by their father’s sacrifice [Job 1:5], why would we doubt that our offerings for the dead bring them some consolation? Let us not hesitate to help those who have died and to offer our prayers for them” (Homilies on First Corinthians 41:5 [A.D. 392]). “Weep for those who die in their wealth and who with all their wealth prepared no consolation for their own souls, who had the power to wash away their sins and did not will to do it. Let us weep for them, let us assist them to the extent of our ability, let us think of some assistance for them, small as it may be, yet let us somehow assist them. But how, and in what way? By praying for them and by entreating others to pray for them, by constantly giving alms to the poor on their behalf. Not in vain was it decreed by the apostles that in the awesome mysteries remembrance should be made of the departed. They knew that here there was much gain for them, much benefit. When the entire people stands with hands uplifted, a priestly assembly, and that awesome sacrificial Victim is laid out, how, when we are calling upon God, should we not succeed in their defense? But this is done for those who have departed in the faith, while even the catechumens are not reckoned as worthy of this consolation, but are deprived of every means of assistance except one. And what is that? We may give alms to the poor on their behalf” (Homilies on Philippians 3:9-10 [A.D. 402]). Augustine “There is an ecclesiastical discipline, as the faithful know, when the names of the martyrs are read aloud in that place at the altar of God, where prayer is not offered for them. Prayer, however, is offered for other dead who are remembered. It is wrong to pray for a martyr, to whose prayers we ought ourselves be commended” (Sermons 159:1 [A.D. 411]). “But by the prayers of the holy Church, and by the salvific sacrifice, and by the alms which are given for their spirits, there is no doubt that the dead are aided, that the Lord might deal more mercifully with them than their sins would deserve. The whole Church observes this practice which was handed down by the Fathers: that it prays for those who have died in the communion of the Body and Blood of Christ, when they are commemorated in their own place in the sacrifice itself; and the sacrifice is offered also in memory of them, on their behalf. If, then, works of mercy are celebrated for the sake of those who are being remembered, who would hesitate to recommend them, on whose behalf prayers to God are not offered in vain? It is not at all to be doubted that such prayers are of profit to the dead; but for such of them as lived before their death in a way that makes it possible for these things to be useful to them after death” (ibid., 172:2). “Temporal punishments are suffered by some in this life only, by some after death, by some both here and hereafter, but all of them before that last and strictest judgment. But not all who suffer temporal punishments after death will come to eternal punishments, which are to follow after that judgment” (The City of God 21:13 [A.D. 419]). “That there should be some fire even after this life is not incredible, and it can be inquired into and either be discovered or left hidden whether some of the faithful may be saved, some more slowly and some more quickly in the greater or lesser degree in which they loved the good things that perish, through a certain purgatorial fire” (Handbook on Faith, Hope, and Charity 18:69 [A.D. 421]). “The time which interposes between the death of a man and the final resurrection holds souls in hidden retreats, accordingly as each is deserving of rest or of hardship, in view of what it merited when it was living in the flesh. Nor can it be denied that the souls of the dead find relief through the piety of their friends and relatives who are still alive, when the Sacrifice of the Mediator [Mass] is offered for them, or when alms are given in the Church. But these things are of profit to those who, when they were alive, merited that they might afterward be able to be helped by these things. There is a certain manner of living, neither so good that there is no need of these helps after death, nor yet so wicked that these helps are of no avail after death” (ibid., 29:109).

[@rofo4610]

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[@williampennjr.4448]

Looking at porn is not a victimless sin. You are not only degrading yourself but promoting the industry with every view. That's how they make money.

[@joben9636]

This is absolutely ridiculous. Your acts are dirty rags. Your salvation..full salvation and rejuvenation comes from Christ. Remember the thief on the cross. Paradise that day! Follow Christ, repent and move in unity with him. Do not believe this nonsense man-made doctrine.

[@jameswilspn1907]

What Jesus taught and what the Catholic Church teaches are diametrically opposed.

[@garchompelago]

There is no such thing as Purgatory. There is only heaven and hell. Purgatory is non-biblical.

[@Brian-hc3qx]

11 For other foundation no man can lay, but that which is laid; which is Christ Jesus. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation, gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble: 13 Every man's work shall be manifest; for the day of the Lord shall declare it, because it shall be revealed in fire; and the fire shall try every man's work, of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide, which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work burn, he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire. [12] "Upon this foundation": The foundation is Christ and his doctrine: or the true faith in him, working through charity. The building upon this foundation gold, silver, and precious stones, signifies the more perfect preaching and practice of the gospel; the wood, hay, and stubble, such preaching as that of the Corinthian teachers (who affected the pomp of words and human eloquence) and such practice as is mixed with much imperfection, and many lesser sins. Now the day of the Lord, and his fiery trial, (in the particular judgment immediately after death,) shall make manifest of what sort every man's work has been: of which, during this life, it is hard to make a judgment. For then the fire of God's judgment shall try every man's work. And they, whose works, like wood, hay, and stubble, cannot abide the fire, shall suffer loss; these works being found to be of no value; yet they themselves, having built upon the right foundation, (by living and dying in the true faith and in the state of grace, though with some imperfection,) shall be saved yet so as by fire; being liable to this punishment, by reason of the wood, hay, and stubble, which was mixed with their building. Early Church Fathers teachings on purgatory : Tertullian “We offer sacrifices for the dead on their birthday anniversaries [the date of death-birth into eternal life]” (The Crown 3:3 [A.D. 211]). “A woman, after the death of her husband . . . prays for his soul and asks that he may, while waiting, find rest; and that he may share in the first resurrection. And each year, on the anniversary of his death, she offers the sacrifice” (Monogamy 10:1-2 [A.D. 216]). Cyril of Jerusalem “Then we make mention also of those who have already fallen asleep: first, the patriarchs, prophets, apostles, and martyrs, that through their prayers and supplications God would receive our petition; next, we make mention also of the holy fathers and bishops who have already fallen asleep, and, to put it simply, of all among us who have already fallen asleep, for we believe that it will be of very great benefit to the souls of those for whom the petition is carried up, while this holy and most solemn sacrifice is laid out” (Catechetical Lectures 23:5:9 [A.D. 350]). Gregory of Nyssa “If a man distinguish in himself what is peculiarly human from that which is irrational, and if he be on the watch for a life of greater urbanity for himself, in this present life he will purify himself of any evil contracted, overcoming the irrational by reason. If he has inclined to the irrational pressure of the passions, using for the passions the cooperating hide of things irrational, he may afterward in a quite different manner be very much interested in what is better, when, after his departure out of the body, he gains knowledge of the difference between virtue and vice and finds that he is not able to partake of divinity until he has been purged of the filthy contagion in his soul by the purifying fire” (Sermon on the Dead [A.D. 382]). John Chrysostom “Let us help and commemorate them. If Job’s sons were purified by their father’s sacrifice [Job 1:5], why would we doubt that our offerings for the dead bring them some consolation? Let us not hesitate to help those who have died and to offer our prayers for them” (Homilies on First Corinthians 41:5 [A.D. 392]). “Weep for those who die in their wealth and who with all their wealth prepared no consolation for their own souls, who had the power to wash away their sins and did not will to do it. Let us weep for them, let us assist them to the extent of our ability, let us think of some assistance for them, small as it may be, yet let us somehow assist them. But how, and in what way? By praying for them and by entreating others to pray for them, by constantly giving alms to the poor on their behalf. Not in vain was it decreed by the apostles that in the awesome mysteries remembrance should be made of the departed. They knew that here there was much gain for them, much benefit. When the entire people stands with hands uplifted, a priestly assembly, and that awesome sacrificial Victim is laid out, how, when we are calling upon God, should we not succeed in their defense? But this is done for those who have departed in the faith, while even the catechumens are not reckoned as worthy of this consolation, but are deprived of every means of assistance except one. And what is that? We may give alms to the poor on their behalf” (Homilies on Philippians 3:9-10 [A.D. 402]). Augustine “There is an ecclesiastical discipline, as the faithful know, when the names of the martyrs are read aloud in that place at the altar of God, where prayer is not offered for them. Prayer, however, is offered for other dead who are remembered. It is wrong to pray for a martyr, to whose prayers we ought ourselves be commended” (Sermons 159:1 [A.D. 411]). “But by the prayers of the holy Church, and by the salvific sacrifice, and by the alms which are given for their spirits, there is no doubt that the dead are aided, that the Lord might deal more mercifully with them than their sins would deserve. The whole Church observes this practice which was handed down by the Fathers: that it prays for those who have died in the communion of the Body and Blood of Christ, when they are commemorated in their own place in the sacrifice itself; and the sacrifice is offered also in memory of them, on their behalf. If, then, works of mercy are celebrated for the sake of those who are being remembered, who would hesitate to recommend them, on whose behalf prayers to God are not offered in vain? It is not at all to be doubted that such prayers are of profit to the dead; but for such of them as lived before their death in a way that makes it possible for these things to be useful to them after death” (ibid., 172:2). “Temporal punishments are suffered by some in this life only, by some after death, by some both here and hereafter, but all of them before that last and strictest judgment. But not all who suffer temporal punishments after death will come to eternal punishments, which are to follow after that judgment” (The City of God 21:13 [A.D. 419]). “That there should be some fire even after this life is not incredible, and it can be inquired into and either be discovered or left hidden whether some of the faithful may be saved, some more slowly and some more quickly in the greater or lesser degree in which they loved the good things that perish, through a certain purgatorial fire” (Handbook on Faith, Hope, and Charity 18:69 [A.D. 421]). “The time which interposes between the death of a man and the final resurrection holds souls in hidden retreats, accordingly as each is deserving of rest or of hardship, in view of what it merited when it was living in the flesh. Nor can it be denied that the souls of the dead find relief through the piety of their friends and relatives who are still alive, when the Sacrifice of the Mediator [Mass] is offered for them, or when alms are given in the Church. But these things are of profit to those who, when they were alive, merited that they might afterward be able to be helped by these things. There is a certain manner of living, neither so good that there is no need of these helps after death, nor yet so wicked that these helps are of no avail after death” (ibid., 29:109).

[@Brian-hc3qx]

11 For other foundation no man can lay, but that which is laid; which is Christ Jesus. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation, gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble: 13 Every man's work shall be manifest; for the day of the Lord shall declare it, because it shall be revealed in fire; and the fire shall try every man's work, of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide, which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work burn, he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire. [12] "Upon this foundation": The foundation is Christ and his doctrine: or the true faith in him, working through charity. The building upon this foundation gold, silver, and precious stones, signifies the more perfect preaching and practice of the gospel; the wood, hay, and stubble, such preaching as that of the Corinthian teachers (who affected the pomp of words and human eloquence) and such practice as is mixed with much imperfection, and many lesser sins. Now the day of the Lord, and his fiery trial, (in the particular judgment immediately after death,) shall make manifest of what sort every man's work has been: of which, during this life, it is hard to make a judgment. For then the fire of God's judgment shall try every man's work. And they, whose works, like wood, hay, and stubble, cannot abide the fire, shall suffer loss; these works being found to be of no value; yet they themselves, having built upon the right foundation, (by living and dying in the true faith and in the state of grace, though with some imperfection,) shall be saved yet so as by fire; being liable to this punishment, by reason of the wood, hay, and stubble, which was mixed with their building. Early Church Fathers teachings on purgatory : Tertullian “We offer sacrifices for the dead on their birthday anniversaries [the date of death-birth into eternal life]” (The Crown 3:3 [A.D. 211]). “A woman, after the death of her husband . . . prays for his soul and asks that he may, while waiting, find rest; and that he may share in the first resurrection. And each year, on the anniversary of his death, she offers the sacrifice” (Monogamy 10:1-2 [A.D. 216]). Cyril of Jerusalem “Then we make mention also of those who have already fallen asleep: first, the patriarchs, prophets, apostles, and martyrs, that through their prayers and supplications God would receive our petition; next, we make mention also of the holy fathers and bishops who have already fallen asleep, and, to put it simply, of all among us who have already fallen asleep, for we believe that it will be of very great benefit to the souls of those for whom the petition is carried up, while this holy and most solemn sacrifice is laid out” (Catechetical Lectures 23:5:9 [A.D. 350]). Gregory of Nyssa “If a man distinguish in himself what is peculiarly human from that which is irrational, and if he be on the watch for a life of greater urbanity for himself, in this present life he will purify himself of any evil contracted, overcoming the irrational by reason. If he has inclined to the irrational pressure of the passions, using for the passions the cooperating hide of things irrational, he may afterward in a quite different manner be very much interested in what is better, when, after his departure out of the body, he gains knowledge of the difference between virtue and vice and finds that he is not able to partake of divinity until he has been purged of the filthy contagion in his soul by the purifying fire” (Sermon on the Dead [A.D. 382]). John Chrysostom “Let us help and commemorate them. If Job’s sons were purified by their father’s sacrifice [Job 1:5], why would we doubt that our offerings for the dead bring them some consolation? Let us not hesitate to help those who have died and to offer our prayers for them” (Homilies on First Corinthians 41:5 [A.D. 392]). “Weep for those who die in their wealth and who with all their wealth prepared no consolation for their own souls, who had the power to wash away their sins and did not will to do it. Let us weep for them, let us assist them to the extent of our ability, let us think of some assistance for them, small as it may be, yet let us somehow assist them. But how, and in what way? By praying for them and by entreating others to pray for them, by constantly giving alms to the poor on their behalf. Not in vain was it decreed by the apostles that in the awesome mysteries remembrance should be made of the departed. They knew that here there was much gain for them, much benefit. When the entire people stands with hands uplifted, a priestly assembly, and that awesome sacrificial Victim is laid out, how, when we are calling upon God, should we not succeed in their defense? But this is done for those who have departed in the faith, while even the catechumens are not reckoned as worthy of this consolation, but are deprived of every means of assistance except one. And what is that? We may give alms to the poor on their behalf” (Homilies on Philippians 3:9-10 [A.D. 402]). Augustine “There is an ecclesiastical discipline, as the faithful know, when the names of the martyrs are read aloud in that place at the altar of God, where prayer is not offered for them. Prayer, however, is offered for other dead who are remembered. It is wrong to pray for a martyr, to whose prayers we ought ourselves be commended” (Sermons 159:1 [A.D. 411]). “But by the prayers of the holy Church, and by the salvific sacrifice, and by the alms which are given for their spirits, there is no doubt that the dead are aided, that the Lord might deal more mercifully with them than their sins would deserve. The whole Church observes this practice which was handed down by the Fathers: that it prays for those who have died in the communion of the Body and Blood of Christ, when they are commemorated in their own place in the sacrifice itself; and the sacrifice is offered also in memory of them, on their behalf. If, then, works of mercy are celebrated for the sake of those who are being remembered, who would hesitate to recommend them, on whose behalf prayers to God are not offered in vain? It is not at all to be doubted that such prayers are of profit to the dead; but for such of them as lived before their death in a way that makes it possible for these things to be useful to them after death” (ibid., 172:2). “Temporal punishments are suffered by some in this life only, by some after death, by some both here and hereafter, but all of them before that last and strictest judgment. But not all who suffer temporal punishments after death will come to eternal punishments, which are to follow after that judgment” (The City of God 21:13 [A.D. 419]). “That there should be some fire even after this life is not incredible, and it can be inquired into and either be discovered or left hidden whether some of the faithful may be saved, some more slowly and some more quickly in the greater or lesser degree in which they loved the good things that perish, through a certain purgatorial fire” (Handbook on Faith, Hope, and Charity 18:69 [A.D. 421]). “The time which interposes between the death of a man and the final resurrection holds souls in hidden retreats, accordingly as each is deserving of rest or of hardship, in view of what it merited when it was living in the flesh. Nor can it be denied that the souls of the dead find relief through the piety of their friends and relatives who are still alive, when the Sacrifice of the Mediator [Mass] is offered for them, or when alms are given in the Church. But these things are of profit to those who, when they were alive, merited that they might afterward be able to be helped by these things. There is a certain manner of living, neither so good that there is no need of these helps after death, nor yet so wicked that these helps are of no avail after death” (ibid., 29:109).

[@Brian-hc3qx]

11 For other foundation no man can lay, but that which is laid; which is Christ Jesus. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation, gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble: 13 Every man's work shall be manifest; for the day of the Lord shall declare it, because it shall be revealed in fire; and the fire shall try every man's work, of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide, which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work burn, he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire. [12] "Upon this foundation": The foundation is Christ and his doctrine: or the true faith in him, working through charity. The building upon this foundation gold, silver, and precious stones, signifies the more perfect preaching and practice of the gospel; the wood, hay, and stubble, such preaching as that of the Corinthian teachers (who affected the pomp of words and human eloquence) and such practice as is mixed with much imperfection, and many lesser sins. Now the day of the Lord, and his fiery trial, (in the particular judgment immediately after death,) shall make manifest of what sort every man's work has been: of which, during this life, it is hard to make a judgment. For then the fire of God's judgment shall try every man's work. And they, whose works, like wood, hay, and stubble, cannot abide the fire, shall suffer loss; these works being found to be of no value; yet they themselves, having built upon the right foundation, (by living and dying in the true faith and in the state of grace, though with some imperfection,) shall be saved yet so as by fire; being liable to this punishment, by reason of the wood, hay, and stubble, which was mixed with their building. Early Church Fathers teachings on purgatory : Tertullian “We offer sacrifices for the dead on their birthday anniversaries [the date of death-birth into eternal life]” (The Crown 3:3 [A.D. 211]). “A woman, after the death of her husband . . . prays for his soul and asks that he may, while waiting, find rest; and that he may share in the first resurrection. And each year, on the anniversary of his death, she offers the sacrifice” (Monogamy 10:1-2 [A.D. 216]). Cyril of Jerusalem “Then we make mention also of those who have already fallen asleep: first, the patriarchs, prophets, apostles, and martyrs, that through their prayers and supplications God would receive our petition; next, we make mention also of the holy fathers and bishops who have already fallen asleep, and, to put it simply, of all among us who have already fallen asleep, for we believe that it will be of very great benefit to the souls of those for whom the petition is carried up, while this holy and most solemn sacrifice is laid out” (Catechetical Lectures 23:5:9 [A.D. 350]). Gregory of Nyssa “If a man distinguish in himself what is peculiarly human from that which is irrational, and if he be on the watch for a life of greater urbanity for himself, in this present life he will purify himself of any evil contracted, overcoming the irrational by reason. If he has inclined to the irrational pressure of the passions, using for the passions the cooperating hide of things irrational, he may afterward in a quite different manner be very much interested in what is better, when, after his departure out of the body, he gains knowledge of the difference between virtue and vice and finds that he is not able to partake of divinity until he has been purged of the filthy contagion in his soul by the purifying fire” (Sermon on the Dead [A.D. 382]). John Chrysostom “Let us help and commemorate them. If Job’s sons were purified by their father’s sacrifice [Job 1:5], why would we doubt that our offerings for the dead bring them some consolation? Let us not hesitate to help those who have died and to offer our prayers for them” (Homilies on First Corinthians 41:5 [A.D. 392]). “Weep for those who die in their wealth and who with all their wealth prepared no consolation for their own souls, who had the power to wash away their sins and did not will to do it. Let us weep for them, let us assist them to the extent of our ability, let us think of some assistance for them, small as it may be, yet let us somehow assist them. But how, and in what way? By praying for them and by entreating others to pray for them, by constantly giving alms to the poor on their behalf. Not in vain was it decreed by the apostles that in the awesome mysteries remembrance should be made of the departed. They knew that here there was much gain for them, much benefit. When the entire people stands with hands uplifted, a priestly assembly, and that awesome sacrificial Victim is laid out, how, when we are calling upon God, should we not succeed in their defense? But this is done for those who have departed in the faith, while even the catechumens are not reckoned as worthy of this consolation, but are deprived of every means of assistance except one. And what is that? We may give alms to the poor on their behalf” (Homilies on Philippians 3:9-10 [A.D. 402]). Augustine “There is an ecclesiastical discipline, as the faithful know, when the names of the martyrs are read aloud in that place at the altar of God, where prayer is not offered for them. Prayer, however, is offered for other dead who are remembered. It is wrong to pray for a martyr, to whose prayers we ought ourselves be commended” (Sermons 159:1 [A.D. 411]). “But by the prayers of the holy Church, and by the salvific sacrifice, and by the alms which are given for their spirits, there is no doubt that the dead are aided, that the Lord might deal more mercifully with them than their sins would deserve. The whole Church observes this practice which was handed down by the Fathers: that it prays for those who have died in the communion of the Body and Blood of Christ, when they are commemorated in their own place in the sacrifice itself; and the sacrifice is offered also in memory of them, on their behalf. If, then, works of mercy are celebrated for the sake of those who are being remembered, who would hesitate to recommend them, on whose behalf prayers to God are not offered in vain? It is not at all to be doubted that such prayers are of profit to the dead; but for such of them as lived before their death in a way that makes it possible for these things to be useful to them after death” (ibid., 172:2). “Temporal punishments are suffered by some in this life only, by some after death, by some both here and hereafter, but all of them before that last and strictest judgment. But not all who suffer temporal punishments after death will come to eternal punishments, which are to follow after that judgment” (The City of God 21:13 [A.D. 419]). “That there should be some fire even after this life is not incredible, and it can be inquired into and either be discovered or left hidden whether some of the faithful may be saved, some more slowly and some more quickly in the greater or lesser degree in which they loved the good things that perish, through a certain purgatorial fire” (Handbook on Faith, Hope, and Charity 18:69 [A.D. 421]). “The time which interposes between the death of a man and the final resurrection holds souls in hidden retreats, accordingly as each is deserving of rest or of hardship, in view of what it merited when it was living in the flesh. Nor can it be denied that the souls of the dead find relief through the piety of their friends and relatives who are still alive, when the Sacrifice of the Mediator [Mass] is offered for them, or when alms are given in the Church. But these things are of profit to those who, when they were alive, merited that they might afterward be able to be helped by these things. There is a certain manner of living, neither so good that there is no need of these helps after death, nor yet so wicked that these helps are of no avail after death” (ibid., 29:109).

[@garchompelago]

@Brian-hc3qx of course you would cite verses added by the roman catholic church which are not in the canon of the bible. Im going to pretend to be surprised.

[@jpjp9111]

I am a Catholic but I don't believe in pergatory. I don't really know what it is other than it's some kind of curse from God. Good thing there's no such thing.

[@filipe7859]

It's not a curse from God. God is Saint and perfect, and we aren't. We cannot enter into the beatific vision and unite completely with God while in a state of sin. However, since God is infinitely merciful and loves us, if we die with venial sins and imperfections but in a state of grace (i.e. not having committed mortal sin since our last confession), God will still allow us to enter Heaven and be with Him for all eternity, with the only condition being that we must first be purified of our sins and imperfections for a limited period. God would never do it if it wasn't for our own good. If it weren’t for purgatory, many people would never go to heaven. Narrow is the gate and constricted is the road that leads to the eternal life, the world conspires to lead us to hell, but God never abandons us. Purgatory is a deeply expressive act of God's love. It saves us from hell and places us in Heaven with Him for all eternity. God bless you, man.

[@elizabethmanwaring3940]

Please read ‘The Biblical Basis for Purgatory’ by John Salza. It explains why there most definitely is a Purgatory.

[@Brian-hc3qx]

11 For other foundation no man can lay, but that which is laid; which is Christ Jesus. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation, gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble: 13 Every man's work shall be manifest; for the day of the Lord shall declare it, because it shall be revealed in fire; and the fire shall try every man's work, of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide, which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work burn, he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire. [12] "Upon this foundation": The foundation is Christ and his doctrine: or the true faith in him, working through charity. The building upon this foundation gold, silver, and precious stones, signifies the more perfect preaching and practice of the gospel; the wood, hay, and stubble, such preaching as that of the Corinthian teachers (who affected the pomp of words and human eloquence) and such practice as is mixed with much imperfection, and many lesser sins. Now the day of the Lord, and his fiery trial, (in the particular judgment immediately after death,) shall make manifest of what sort every man's work has been: of which, during this life, it is hard to make a judgment. For then the fire of God's judgment shall try every man's work. And they, whose works, like wood, hay, and stubble, cannot abide the fire, shall suffer loss; these works being found to be of no value; yet they themselves, having built upon the right foundation, (by living and dying in the true faith and in the state of grace, though with some imperfection,) shall be saved yet so as by fire; being liable to this punishment, by reason of the wood, hay, and stubble, which was mixed with their building. Early Church Fathers teachings on purgatory : Tertullian “We offer sacrifices for the dead on their birthday anniversaries [the date of death-birth into eternal life]” (The Crown 3:3 [A.D. 211]). “A woman, after the death of her husband . . . prays for his soul and asks that he may, while waiting, find rest; and that he may share in the first resurrection. And each year, on the anniversary of his death, she offers the sacrifice” (Monogamy 10:1-2 [A.D. 216]). Cyril of Jerusalem “Then we make mention also of those who have already fallen asleep: first, the patriarchs, prophets, apostles, and martyrs, that through their prayers and supplications God would receive our petition; next, we make mention also of the holy fathers and bishops who have already fallen asleep, and, to put it simply, of all among us who have already fallen asleep, for we believe that it will be of very great benefit to the souls of those for whom the petition is carried up, while this holy and most solemn sacrifice is laid out” (Catechetical Lectures 23:5:9 [A.D. 350]). Gregory of Nyssa “If a man distinguish in himself what is peculiarly human from that which is irrational, and if he be on the watch for a life of greater urbanity for himself, in this present life he will purify himself of any evil contracted, overcoming the irrational by reason. If he has inclined to the irrational pressure of the passions, using for the passions the cooperating hide of things irrational, he may afterward in a quite different manner be very much interested in what is better, when, after his departure out of the body, he gains knowledge of the difference between virtue and vice and finds that he is not able to partake of divinity until he has been purged of the filthy contagion in his soul by the purifying fire” (Sermon on the Dead [A.D. 382]). John Chrysostom “Let us help and commemorate them. If Job’s sons were purified by their father’s sacrifice [Job 1:5], why would we doubt that our offerings for the dead bring them some consolation? Let us not hesitate to help those who have died and to offer our prayers for them” (Homilies on First Corinthians 41:5 [A.D. 392]). “Weep for those who die in their wealth and who with all their wealth prepared no consolation for their own souls, who had the power to wash away their sins and did not will to do it. Let us weep for them, let us assist them to the extent of our ability, let us think of some assistance for them, small as it may be, yet let us somehow assist them. But how, and in what way? By praying for them and by entreating others to pray for them, by constantly giving alms to the poor on their behalf. Not in vain was it decreed by the apostles that in the awesome mysteries remembrance should be made of the departed. They knew that here there was much gain for them, much benefit. When the entire people stands with hands uplifted, a priestly assembly, and that awesome sacrificial Victim is laid out, how, when we are calling upon God, should we not succeed in their defense? But this is done for those who have departed in the faith, while even the catechumens are not reckoned as worthy of this consolation, but are deprived of every means of assistance except one. And what is that? We may give alms to the poor on their behalf” (Homilies on Philippians 3:9-10 [A.D. 402]). Augustine “There is an ecclesiastical discipline, as the faithful know, when the names of the martyrs are read aloud in that place at the altar of God, where prayer is not offered for them. Prayer, however, is offered for other dead who are remembered. It is wrong to pray for a martyr, to whose prayers we ought ourselves be commended” (Sermons 159:1 [A.D. 411]). “But by the prayers of the holy Church, and by the salvific sacrifice, and by the alms which are given for their spirits, there is no doubt that the dead are aided, that the Lord might deal more mercifully with them than their sins would deserve. The whole Church observes this practice which was handed down by the Fathers: that it prays for those who have died in the communion of the Body and Blood of Christ, when they are commemorated in their own place in the sacrifice itself; and the sacrifice is offered also in memory of them, on their behalf. If, then, works of mercy are celebrated for the sake of those who are being remembered, who would hesitate to recommend them, on whose behalf prayers to God are not offered in vain? It is not at all to be doubted that such prayers are of profit to the dead; but for such of them as lived before their death in a way that makes it possible for these things to be useful to them after death” (ibid., 172:2). “Temporal punishments are suffered by some in this life only, by some after death, by some both here and hereafter, but all of them before that last and strictest judgment. But not all who suffer temporal punishments after death will come to eternal punishments, which are to follow after that judgment” (The City of God 21:13 [A.D. 419]). “That there should be some fire even after this life is not incredible, and it can be inquired into and either be discovered or left hidden whether some of the faithful may be saved, some more slowly and some more quickly in the greater or lesser degree in which they loved the good things that perish, through a certain purgatorial fire” (Handbook on Faith, Hope, and Charity 18:69 [A.D. 421]). “The time which interposes between the death of a man and the final resurrection holds souls in hidden retreats, accordingly as each is deserving of rest or of hardship, in view of what it merited when it was living in the flesh. Nor can it be denied that the souls of the dead find relief through the piety of their friends and relatives who are still alive, when the Sacrifice of the Mediator [Mass] is offered for them, or when alms are given in the Church. But these things are of profit to those who, when they were alive, merited that they might afterward be able to be helped by these things. There is a certain manner of living, neither so good that there is no need of these helps after death, nor yet so wicked that these helps are of no avail after death” (ibid., 29:109).

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11 For other foundation no man can lay, but that which is laid; which is Christ Jesus. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation, gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble: 13 Every man's work shall be manifest; for the day of the Lord shall declare it, because it shall be revealed in fire; and the fire shall try every man's work, of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide, which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work burn, he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire. [12] "Upon this foundation": The foundation is Christ and his doctrine: or the true faith in him, working through charity. The building upon this foundation gold, silver, and precious stones, signifies the more perfect preaching and practice of the gospel; the wood, hay, and stubble, such preaching as that of the Corinthian teachers (who affected the pomp of words and human eloquence) and such practice as is mixed with much imperfection, and many lesser sins. Now the day of the Lord, and his fiery trial, (in the particular judgment immediately after death,) shall make manifest of what sort every man's work has been: of which, during this life, it is hard to make a judgment. For then the fire of God's judgment shall try every man's work. And they, whose works, like wood, hay, and stubble, cannot abide the fire, shall suffer loss; these works being found to be of no value; yet they themselves, having built upon the right foundation, (by living and dying in the true faith and in the state of grace, though with some imperfection,) shall be saved yet so as by fire; being liable to this punishment, by reason of the wood, hay, and stubble, which was mixed with their building. Early Church Fathers teachings on purgatory : Tertullian “We offer sacrifices for the dead on their birthday anniversaries [the date of death-birth into eternal life]” (The Crown 3:3 [A.D. 211]). “A woman, after the death of her husband . . . prays for his soul and asks that he may, while waiting, find rest; and that he may share in the first resurrection. And each year, on the anniversary of his death, she offers the sacrifice” (Monogamy 10:1-2 [A.D. 216]). Cyril of Jerusalem “Then we make mention also of those who have already fallen asleep: first, the patriarchs, prophets, apostles, and martyrs, that through their prayers and supplications God would receive our petition; next, we make mention also of the holy fathers and bishops who have already fallen asleep, and, to put it simply, of all among us who have already fallen asleep, for we believe that it will be of very great benefit to the souls of those for whom the petition is carried up, while this holy and most solemn sacrifice is laid out” (Catechetical Lectures 23:5:9 [A.D. 350]). Gregory of Nyssa “If a man distinguish in himself what is peculiarly human from that which is irrational, and if he be on the watch for a life of greater urbanity for himself, in this present life he will purify himself of any evil contracted, overcoming the irrational by reason. If he has inclined to the irrational pressure of the passions, using for the passions the cooperating hide of things irrational, he may afterward in a quite different manner be very much interested in what is better, when, after his departure out of the body, he gains knowledge of the difference between virtue and vice and finds that he is not able to partake of divinity until he has been purged of the filthy contagion in his soul by the purifying fire” (Sermon on the Dead [A.D. 382]). John Chrysostom “Let us help and commemorate them. If Job’s sons were purified by their father’s sacrifice [Job 1:5], why would we doubt that our offerings for the dead bring them some consolation? Let us not hesitate to help those who have died and to offer our prayers for them” (Homilies on First Corinthians 41:5 [A.D. 392]). “Weep for those who die in their wealth and who with all their wealth prepared no consolation for their own souls, who had the power to wash away their sins and did not will to do it. Let us weep for them, let us assist them to the extent of our ability, let us think of some assistance for them, small as it may be, yet let us somehow assist them. But how, and in what way? By praying for them and by entreating others to pray for them, by constantly giving alms to the poor on their behalf. Not in vain was it decreed by the apostles that in the awesome mysteries remembrance should be made of the departed. They knew that here there was much gain for them, much benefit. When the entire people stands with hands uplifted, a priestly assembly, and that awesome sacrificial Victim is laid out, how, when we are calling upon God, should we not succeed in their defense? But this is done for those who have departed in the faith, while even the catechumens are not reckoned as worthy of this consolation, but are deprived of every means of assistance except one. And what is that? We may give alms to the poor on their behalf” (Homilies on Philippians 3:9-10 [A.D. 402]). Augustine “There is an ecclesiastical discipline, as the faithful know, when the names of the martyrs are read aloud in that place at the altar of God, where prayer is not offered for them. Prayer, however, is offered for other dead who are remembered. It is wrong to pray for a martyr, to whose prayers we ought ourselves be commended” (Sermons 159:1 [A.D. 411]). “But by the prayers of the holy Church, and by the salvific sacrifice, and by the alms which are given for their spirits, there is no doubt that the dead are aided, that the Lord might deal more mercifully with them than their sins would deserve. The whole Church observes this practice which was handed down by the Fathers: that it prays for those who have died in the communion of the Body and Blood of Christ, when they are commemorated in their own place in the sacrifice itself; and the sacrifice is offered also in memory of them, on their behalf. If, then, works of mercy are celebrated for the sake of those who are being remembered, who would hesitate to recommend them, on whose behalf prayers to God are not offered in vain? It is not at all to be doubted that such prayers are of profit to the dead; but for such of them as lived before their death in a way that makes it possible for these things to be useful to them after death” (ibid., 172:2). “Temporal punishments are suffered by some in this life only, by some after death, by some both here and hereafter, but all of them before that last and strictest judgment. But not all who suffer temporal punishments after death will come to eternal punishments, which are to follow after that judgment” (The City of God 21:13 [A.D. 419]). “That there should be some fire even after this life is not incredible, and it can be inquired into and either be discovered or left hidden whether some of the faithful may be saved, some more slowly and some more quickly in the greater or lesser degree in which they loved the good things that perish, through a certain purgatorial fire” (Handbook on Faith, Hope, and Charity 18:69 [A.D. 421]). “The time which interposes between the death of a man and the final resurrection holds souls in hidden retreats, accordingly as each is deserving of rest or of hardship, in view of what it merited when it was living in the flesh. Nor can it be denied that the souls of the dead find relief through the piety of their friends and relatives who are still alive, when the Sacrifice of the Mediator [Mass] is offered for them, or when alms are given in the Church. But these things are of profit to those who, when they were alive, merited that they might afterward be able to be helped by these things. There is a certain manner of living, neither so good that there is no need of these helps after death, nor yet so wicked that these helps are of no avail after death” (ibid., 29:109).

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11 For other foundation no man can lay, but that which is laid; which is Christ Jesus. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation, gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble: 13 Every man's work shall be manifest; for the day of the Lord shall declare it, because it shall be revealed in fire; and the fire shall try every man's work, of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide, which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work burn, he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire. [12] "Upon this foundation": The foundation is Christ and his doctrine: or the true faith in him, working through charity. The building upon this foundation gold, silver, and precious stones, signifies the more perfect preaching and practice of the gospel; the wood, hay, and stubble, such preaching as that of the Corinthian teachers (who affected the pomp of words and human eloquence) and such practice as is mixed with much imperfection, and many lesser sins. Now the day of the Lord, and his fiery trial, (in the particular judgment immediately after death,) shall make manifest of what sort every man's work has been: of which, during this life, it is hard to make a judgment. For then the fire of God's judgment shall try every man's work. And they, whose works, like wood, hay, and stubble, cannot abide the fire, shall suffer loss; these works being found to be of no value; yet they themselves, having built upon the right foundation, (by living and dying in the true faith and in the state of grace, though with some imperfection,) shall be saved yet so as by fire; being liable to this punishment, by reason of the wood, hay, and stubble, which was mixed with their building. "Early Church Fathers" teachings on purgatory : Tertullian “We offer sacrifices for the dead on their birthday anniversaries [the date of death-birth into eternal life]” (The Crown 3:3 [A.D. 211]). “A woman, after the death of her husband . . . prays for his soul and asks that he may, while waiting, find rest; and that he may share in the first resurrection. And each year, on the anniversary of his death, she offers the sacrifice” (Monogamy 10:1-2 [A.D. 216]). Cyril of Jerusalem “Then we make mention also of those who have already fallen asleep: first, the patriarchs, prophets, apostles, and martyrs, that through their prayers and supplications God would receive our petition; next, we make mention also of the holy fathers and bishops who have already fallen asleep, and, to put it simply, of all among us who have already fallen asleep, for we believe that it will be of very great benefit to the souls of those for whom the petition is carried up, while this holy and most solemn sacrifice is laid out” (Catechetical Lectures 23:5:9 [A.D. 350]). Gregory of Nyssa “If a man distinguish in himself what is peculiarly human from that which is irrational, and if he be on the watch for a life of greater urbanity for himself, in this present life he will purify himself of any evil contracted, overcoming the irrational by reason. If he has inclined to the irrational pressure of the passions, using for the passions the cooperating hide of things irrational, he may afterward in a quite different manner be very much interested in what is better, when, after his departure out of the body, he gains knowledge of the difference between virtue and vice and finds that he is not able to partake of divinity until he has been purged of the filthy contagion in his soul by the purifying fire” (Sermon on the Dead [A.D. 382]). John Chrysostom “Let us help and commemorate them. If Job’s sons were purified by their father’s sacrifice [Job 1:5], why would we doubt that our offerings for the dead bring them some consolation? Let us not hesitate to help those who have died and to offer our prayers for them” (Homilies on First Corinthians 41:5 [A.D. 392]). “Weep for those who die in their wealth and who with all their wealth prepared no consolation for their own souls, who had the power to wash away their sins and did not will to do it. Let us weep for them, let us assist them to the extent of our ability, let us think of some assistance for them, small as it may be, yet let us somehow assist them. But how, and in what way? By praying for them and by entreating others to pray for them, by constantly giving alms to the poor on their behalf. Not in vain was it decreed by the apostles that in the awesome mysteries remembrance should be made of the departed. They knew that here there was much gain for them, much benefit. When the entire people stands with hands uplifted, a priestly assembly, and that awesome sacrificial Victim is laid out, how, when we are calling upon God, should we not succeed in their defence? But this is done for those who have departed in the faith, while even the catechumens are not reckoned as worthy of this consolation, but are deprived of every means of assistance except one. And what is that? We may give alms to the poor on their behalf” (Homilies on Philippians 3:9-10 [A.D. 402]). Augustine “There is an ecclesiastical discipline, as the faithful know, when the names of the martyrs are read aloud in that place at the altar of God, where prayer is not offered for them. Prayer, however, is offered for other dead who are remembered. It is wrong to pray for a martyr, to whose prayers we ought ourselves be commended” (Sermons 159:1 [A.D. 411]). “But by the prayers of the holy Church, and by the salvific sacrifice, and by the alms which are given for their spirits, there is no doubt that the dead are aided, that the Lord might deal more mercifully with them than their sins would deserve. The whole Church observes this practice which was handed down by the Fathers: that it prays for those who have died in the communion of the Body and Blood of Christ, when they are commemorated in their own place in the sacrifice itself; and the sacrifice is offered also in memory of them, on their behalf. If, then, works of mercy are celebrated for the sake of those who are being remembered, who would hesitate to recommend them, on whose behalf prayers to God are not offered in vain? It is not at all to be doubted that such prayers are of profit to the dead; but for such of them as lived before their death in a way that makes it possible for these things to be useful to them after death” (ibid., 172:2). “Temporal punishments are suffered by some in this life only, by some after death, by some both here and hereafter, but all of them before that last and strictest judgment. But not all who suffer temporal punishments after death will come to eternal punishments, which are to follow after that judgment” (The City of God 21:13 [A.D. 419]). “That there should be some fire even after this life is not incredible, and it can be inquired into and either be discovered or left hidden whether some of the faithful may be saved, some more slowly and some more quickly in the greater or lesser degree in which they loved the good things that perish, through a certain purgatorial fire” (Handbook on Faith, Hope, and Charity 18:69 [A.D. 421]). “The time which interposes between the death of a man and the final resurrection holds souls in hidden retreats, accordingly as each is deserving of rest or of hardship, in view of what it merited when it was living in the flesh. Nor can it be denied that the souls of the dead find relief through the piety of their friends and relatives who are still alive, when the Sacrifice of the Mediator [Mass] is offered for them, or when alms are given in the Church. But these things are of profit to those who, when they were alive, merited that they might afterward be able to be helped by these things. There is a certain manner of living, neither so good that there is no need of these helps after death, nor yet so wicked that these helps are of no avail after death” (ibid., 29:109).

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Except purgatory isn’t biblical and proclaiming it is heresy. So there’s that.

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11 For other foundation no man can lay, but that which is laid; which is Christ Jesus. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation, gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble: 13 Every man's work shall be manifest; for the day of the Lord shall declare it, because it shall be revealed in fire; and the fire shall try every man's work, of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide, which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work burn, he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire. [12] "Upon this foundation": The foundation is Christ and his doctrine: or the true faith in him, working through charity. The building upon this foundation gold, silver, and precious stones, signifies the more perfect preaching and practice of the gospel; the wood, hay, and stubble, such preaching as that of the Corinthian teachers (who affected the pomp of words and human eloquence) and such practice as is mixed with much imperfection, and many lesser sins. Now the day of the Lord, and his fiery trial, (in the particular judgment immediately after death,) shall make manifest of what sort every man's work has been: of which, during this life, it is hard to make a judgment. For then the fire of God's judgment shall try every man's work. And they, whose works, like wood, hay, and stubble, cannot abide the fire, shall suffer loss; these works being found to be of no value; yet they themselves, having built upon the right foundation, (by living and dying in the true faith and in the state of grace, though with some imperfection,) shall be saved yet so as by fire; being liable to this punishment, by reason of the wood, hay, and stubble, which was mixed with their building. Early Church Fathers teachings on purgatory : Tertullian “We offer sacrifices for the dead on their birthday anniversaries [the date of death-birth into eternal life]” (The Crown 3:3 [A.D. 211]). “A woman, after the death of her husband . . . prays for his soul and asks that he may, while waiting, find rest; and that he may share in the first resurrection. And each year, on the anniversary of his death, she offers the sacrifice” (Monogamy 10:1-2 [A.D. 216]). Cyril of Jerusalem “Then we make mention also of those who have already fallen asleep: first, the patriarchs, prophets, apostles, and martyrs, that through their prayers and supplications God would receive our petition; next, we make mention also of the holy fathers and bishops who have already fallen asleep, and, to put it simply, of all among us who have already fallen asleep, for we believe that it will be of very great benefit to the souls of those for whom the petition is carried up, while this holy and most solemn sacrifice is laid out” (Catechetical Lectures 23:5:9 [A.D. 350]). Gregory of Nyssa “If a man distinguish in himself what is peculiarly human from that which is irrational, and if he be on the watch for a life of greater urbanity for himself, in this present life he will purify himself of any evil contracted, overcoming the irrational by reason. If he has inclined to the irrational pressure of the passions, using for the passions the cooperating hide of things irrational, he may afterward in a quite different manner be very much interested in what is better, when, after his departure out of the body, he gains knowledge of the difference between virtue and vice and finds that he is not able to partake of divinity until he has been purged of the filthy contagion in his soul by the purifying fire” (Sermon on the Dead [A.D. 382]). John Chrysostom “Let us help and commemorate them. If Job’s sons were purified by their father’s sacrifice [Job 1:5], why would we doubt that our offerings for the dead bring them some consolation? Let us not hesitate to help those who have died and to offer our prayers for them” (Homilies on First Corinthians 41:5 [A.D. 392]). “Weep for those who die in their wealth and who with all their wealth prepared no consolation for their own souls, who had the power to wash away their sins and did not will to do it. Let us weep for them, let us assist them to the extent of our ability, let us think of some assistance for them, small as it may be, yet let us somehow assist them. But how, and in what way? By praying for them and by entreating others to pray for them, by constantly giving alms to the poor on their behalf. Not in vain was it decreed by the apostles that in the awesome mysteries remembrance should be made of the departed. They knew that here there was much gain for them, much benefit. When the entire people stands with hands uplifted, a priestly assembly, and that awesome sacrificial Victim is laid out, how, when we are calling upon God, should we not succeed in their defense? But this is done for those who have departed in the faith, while even the catechumens are not reckoned as worthy of this consolation, but are deprived of every means of assistance except one. And what is that? We may give alms to the poor on their behalf” (Homilies on Philippians 3:9-10 [A.D. 402]). Augustine “There is an ecclesiastical discipline, as the faithful know, when the names of the martyrs are read aloud in that place at the altar of God, where prayer is not offered for them. Prayer, however, is offered for other dead who are remembered. It is wrong to pray for a martyr, to whose prayers we ought ourselves be commended” (Sermons 159:1 [A.D. 411]). “But by the prayers of the holy Church, and by the salvific sacrifice, and by the alms which are given for their spirits, there is no doubt that the dead are aided, that the Lord might deal more mercifully with them than their sins would deserve. The whole Church observes this practice which was handed down by the Fathers: that it prays for those who have died in the communion of the Body and Blood of Christ, when they are commemorated in their own place in the sacrifice itself; and the sacrifice is offered also in memory of them, on their behalf. If, then, works of mercy are celebrated for the sake of those who are being remembered, who would hesitate to recommend them, on whose behalf prayers to God are not offered in vain? It is not at all to be doubted that such prayers are of profit to the dead; but for such of them as lived before their death in a way that makes it possible for these things to be useful to them after death” (ibid., 172:2). “Temporal punishments are suffered by some in this life only, by some after death, by some both here and hereafter, but all of them before that last and strictest judgment. But not all who suffer temporal punishments after death will come to eternal punishments, which are to follow after that judgment” (The City of God 21:13 [A.D. 419]). “That there should be some fire even after this life is not incredible, and it can be inquired into and either be discovered or left hidden whether some of the faithful may be saved, some more slowly and some more quickly in the greater or lesser degree in which they loved the good things that perish, through a certain purgatorial fire” (Handbook on Faith, Hope, and Charity 18:69 [A.D. 421]). “The time which interposes between the death of a man and the final resurrection holds souls in hidden retreats, accordingly as each is deserving of rest or of hardship, in view of what it merited when it was living in the flesh. Nor can it be denied that the souls of the dead find relief through the piety of their friends and relatives who are still alive, when the Sacrifice of the Mediator [Mass] is offered for them, or when alms are given in the Church. But these things are of profit to those who, when they were alive, merited that they might afterward be able to be helped by these things. There is a certain manner of living, neither so good that there is no need of these helps after death, nor yet so wicked that these helps are of no avail after death” (ibid., 29:109).

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11 For other foundation no man can lay, but that which is laid; which is Christ Jesus. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation, gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble: 13 Every man's work shall be manifest; for the day of the Lord shall declare it, because it shall be revealed in fire; and the fire shall try every man's work, of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide, which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work burn, he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire. [12] "Upon this foundation": The foundation is Christ and his doctrine: or the true faith in him, working through charity. The building upon this foundation gold, silver, and precious stones, signifies the more perfect preaching and practice of the gospel; the wood, hay, and stubble, such preaching as that of the Corinthian teachers (who affected the pomp of words and human eloquence) and such practice as is mixed with much imperfection, and many lesser sins. Now the day of the Lord, and his fiery trial, (in the particular judgment immediately after death,) shall make manifest of what sort every man's work has been: of which, during this life, it is hard to make a judgment. For then the fire of God's judgment shall try every man's work. And they, whose works, like wood, hay, and stubble, cannot abide the fire, shall suffer loss; these works being found to be of no value; yet they themselves, having built upon the right foundation, (by living and dying in the true faith and in the state of grace, though with some imperfection,) shall be saved yet so as by fire; being liable to this punishment, by reason of the wood, hay, and stubble, which was mixed with their building. Early Church Fathers teachings on purgatory : Tertullian “We offer sacrifices for the dead on their birthday anniversaries [the date of death-birth into eternal life]” (The Crown 3:3 [A.D. 211]). “A woman, after the death of her husband . . . prays for his soul and asks that he may, while waiting, find rest; and that he may share in the first resurrection. And each year, on the anniversary of his death, she offers the sacrifice” (Monogamy 10:1-2 [A.D. 216]). Cyril of Jerusalem “Then we make mention also of those who have already fallen asleep: first, the patriarchs, prophets, apostles, and martyrs, that through their prayers and supplications God would receive our petition; next, we make mention also of the holy fathers and bishops who have already fallen asleep, and, to put it simply, of all among us who have already fallen asleep, for we believe that it will be of very great benefit to the souls of those for whom the petition is carried up, while this holy and most solemn sacrifice is laid out” (Catechetical Lectures 23:5:9 [A.D. 350]). Gregory of Nyssa “If a man distinguish in himself what is peculiarly human from that which is irrational, and if he be on the watch for a life of greater urbanity for himself, in this present life he will purify himself of any evil contracted, overcoming the irrational by reason. If he has inclined to the irrational pressure of the passions, using for the passions the cooperating hide of things irrational, he may afterward in a quite different manner be very much interested in what is better, when, after his departure out of the body, he gains knowledge of the difference between virtue and vice and finds that he is not able to partake of divinity until he has been purged of the filthy contagion in his soul by the purifying fire” (Sermon on the Dead [A.D. 382]). John Chrysostom “Let us help and commemorate them. If Job’s sons were purified by their father’s sacrifice [Job 1:5], why would we doubt that our offerings for the dead bring them some consolation? Let us not hesitate to help those who have died and to offer our prayers for them” (Homilies on First Corinthians 41:5 [A.D. 392]). “Weep for those who die in their wealth and who with all their wealth prepared no consolation for their own souls, who had the power to wash away their sins and did not will to do it. Let us weep for them, let us assist them to the extent of our ability, let us think of some assistance for them, small as it may be, yet let us somehow assist them. But how, and in what way? By praying for them and by entreating others to pray for them, by constantly giving alms to the poor on their behalf. Not in vain was it decreed by the apostles that in the awesome mysteries remembrance should be made of the departed. They knew that here there was much gain for them, much benefit. When the entire people stands with hands uplifted, a priestly assembly, and that awesome sacrificial Victim is laid out, how, when we are calling upon God, should we not succeed in their defense? But this is done for those who have departed in the faith, while even the catechumens are not reckoned as worthy of this consolation, but are deprived of every means of assistance except one. And what is that? We may give alms to the poor on their behalf” (Homilies on Philippians 3:9-10 [A.D. 402]). Augustine “There is an ecclesiastical discipline, as the faithful know, when the names of the martyrs are read aloud in that place at the altar of God, where prayer is not offered for them. Prayer, however, is offered for other dead who are remembered. It is wrong to pray for a martyr, to whose prayers we ought ourselves be commended” (Sermons 159:1 [A.D. 411]). “But by the prayers of the holy Church, and by the salvific sacrifice, and by the alms which are given for their spirits, there is no doubt that the dead are aided, that the Lord might deal more mercifully with them than their sins would deserve. The whole Church observes this practice which was handed down by the Fathers: that it prays for those who have died in the communion of the Body and Blood of Christ, when they are commemorated in their own place in the sacrifice itself; and the sacrifice is offered also in memory of them, on their behalf. If, then, works of mercy are celebrated for the sake of those who are being remembered, who would hesitate to recommend them, on whose behalf prayers to God are not offered in vain? It is not at all to be doubted that such prayers are of profit to the dead; but for such of them as lived before their death in a way that makes it possible for these things to be useful to them after death” (ibid., 172:2). “Temporal punishments are suffered by some in this life only, by some after death, by some both here and hereafter, but all of them before that last and strictest judgment. But not all who suffer temporal punishments after death will come to eternal punishments, which are to follow after that judgment” (The City of God 21:13 [A.D. 419]). “That there should be some fire even after this life is not incredible, and it can be inquired into and either be discovered or left hidden whether some of the faithful may be saved, some more slowly and some more quickly in the greater or lesser degree in which they loved the good things that perish, through a certain purgatorial fire” (Handbook on Faith, Hope, and Charity 18:69 [A.D. 421]). “The time which interposes between the death of a man and the final resurrection holds souls in hidden retreats, accordingly as each is deserving of rest or of hardship, in view of what it merited when it was living in the flesh. Nor can it be denied that the souls of the dead find relief through the piety of their friends and relatives who are still alive, when the Sacrifice of the Mediator [Mass] is offered for them, or when alms are given in the Church. But these things are of profit to those who, when they were alive, merited that they might afterward be able to be helped by these things. There is a certain manner of living, neither so good that there is no need of these helps after death, nor yet so wicked that these helps are of no avail after death” (ibid., 29:109).

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11 For other foundation no man can lay, but that which is laid; which is Christ Jesus. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation, gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble: 13 Every man's work shall be manifest; for the day of the Lord shall declare it, because it shall be revealed in fire; and the fire shall try every man's work, of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide, which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work burn, he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire. [12] "Upon this foundation": The foundation is Christ and his doctrine: or the true faith in him, working through charity. The building upon this foundation gold, silver, and precious stones, signifies the more perfect preaching and practice of the gospel; the wood, hay, and stubble, such preaching as that of the Corinthian teachers (who affected the pomp of words and human eloquence) and such practice as is mixed with much imperfection, and many lesser sins. Now the day of the Lord, and his fiery trial, (in the particular judgment immediately after death,) shall make manifest of what sort every man's work has been: of which, during this life, it is hard to make a judgment. For then the fire of God's judgment shall try every man's work. And they, whose works, like wood, hay, and stubble, cannot abide the fire, shall suffer loss; these works being found to be of no value; yet they themselves, having built upon the right foundation, (by living and dying in the true faith and in the state of grace, though with some imperfection,) shall be saved yet so as by fire; being liable to this punishment, by reason of the wood, hay, and stubble, which was mixed with their building. Early Church Fathers teachings on purgatory : Tertullian “We offer sacrifices for the dead on their birthday anniversaries [the date of death-birth into eternal life]” (The Crown 3:3 [A.D. 211]). “A woman, after the death of her husband . . . prays for his soul and asks that he may, while waiting, find rest; and that he may share in the first resurrection. And each year, on the anniversary of his death, she offers the sacrifice” (Monogamy 10:1-2 [A.D. 216]). Cyril of Jerusalem “Then we make mention also of those who have already fallen asleep: first, the patriarchs, prophets, apostles, and martyrs, that through their prayers and supplications God would receive our petition; next, we make mention also of the holy fathers and bishops who have already fallen asleep, and, to put it simply, of all among us who have already fallen asleep, for we believe that it will be of very great benefit to the souls of those for whom the petition is carried up, while this holy and most solemn sacrifice is laid out” (Catechetical Lectures 23:5:9 [A.D. 350]). Gregory of Nyssa “If a man distinguish in himself what is peculiarly human from that which is irrational, and if he be on the watch for a life of greater urbanity for himself, in this present life he will purify himself of any evil contracted, overcoming the irrational by reason. If he has inclined to the irrational pressure of the passions, using for the passions the cooperating hide of things irrational, he may afterward in a quite different manner be very much interested in what is better, when, after his departure out of the body, he gains knowledge of the difference between virtue and vice and finds that he is not able to partake of divinity until he has been purged of the filthy contagion in his soul by the purifying fire” (Sermon on the Dead [A.D. 382]). John Chrysostom “Let us help and commemorate them. If Job’s sons were purified by their father’s sacrifice [Job 1:5], why would we doubt that our offerings for the dead bring them some consolation? Let us not hesitate to help those who have died and to offer our prayers for them” (Homilies on First Corinthians 41:5 [A.D. 392]). “Weep for those who die in their wealth and who with all their wealth prepared no consolation for their own souls, who had the power to wash away their sins and did not will to do it. Let us weep for them, let us assist them to the extent of our ability, let us think of some assistance for them, small as it may be, yet let us somehow assist them. But how, and in what way? By praying for them and by entreating others to pray for them, by constantly giving alms to the poor on their behalf. Not in vain was it decreed by the apostles that in the awesome mysteries remembrance should be made of the departed. They knew that here there was much gain for them, much benefit. When the entire people stands with hands uplifted, a priestly assembly, and that awesome sacrificial Victim is laid out, how, when we are calling upon God, should we not succeed in their defense? But this is done for those who have departed in the faith, while even the catechumens are not reckoned as worthy of this consolation, but are deprived of every means of assistance except one. And what is that? We may give alms to the poor on their behalf” (Homilies on Philippians 3:9-10 [A.D. 402]). Augustine “There is an ecclesiastical discipline, as the faithful know, when the names of the martyrs are read aloud in that place at the altar of God, where prayer is not offered for them. Prayer, however, is offered for other dead who are remembered. It is wrong to pray for a martyr, to whose prayers we ought ourselves be commended” (Sermons 159:1 [A.D. 411]). “But by the prayers of the holy Church, and by the salvific sacrifice, and by the alms which are given for their spirits, there is no doubt that the dead are aided, that the Lord might deal more mercifully with them than their sins would deserve. The whole Church observes this practice which was handed down by the Fathers: that it prays for those who have died in the communion of the Body and Blood of Christ, when they are commemorated in their own place in the sacrifice itself; and the sacrifice is offered also in memory of them, on their behalf. If, then, works of mercy are celebrated for the sake of those who are being remembered, who would hesitate to recommend them, on whose behalf prayers to God are not offered in vain? It is not at all to be doubted that such prayers are of profit to the dead; but for such of them as lived before their death in a way that makes it possible for these things to be useful to them after death” (ibid., 172:2). “Temporal punishments are suffered by some in this life only, by some after death, by some both here and hereafter, but all of them before that last and strictest judgment. But not all who suffer temporal punishments after death will come to eternal punishments, which are to follow after that judgment” (The City of God 21:13 [A.D. 419]). “That there should be some fire even after this life is not incredible, and it can be inquired into and either be discovered or left hidden whether some of the faithful may be saved, some more slowly and some more quickly in the greater or lesser degree in which they loved the good things that perish, through a certain purgatorial fire” (Handbook on Faith, Hope, and Charity 18:69 [A.D. 421]). “The time which interposes between the death of a man and the final resurrection holds souls in hidden retreats, accordingly as each is deserving of rest or of hardship, in view of what it merited when it was living in the flesh. Nor can it be denied that the souls of the dead find relief through the piety of their friends and relatives who are still alive, when the Sacrifice of the Mediator [Mass] is offered for them, or when alms are given in the Church. But these things are of profit to those who, when they were alive, merited that they might afterward be able to be helped by these things. There is a certain manner of living, neither so good that there is no need of these helps after death, nor yet so wicked that these helps are of no avail after death” (ibid., 29:109).