"Fergie was a made guy and Roy wasn't. There was nothing we could do about it."
@pedrodormer60594 жыл бұрын
😂
@rockwild7374 жыл бұрын
Hehe
@adnaanfakir55004 жыл бұрын
Best comment
@Joshuarowlands4 жыл бұрын
Goodfellas?
@shahdhruv2344 жыл бұрын
@@Joshuarowlands Irishman bro
@oggyjack82524 жыл бұрын
Fergie and Keane relationship was like that of Father and Eldest Son of the family, who never got along well although they had similar thought process and knew what was the best for the family ( team). These two have to be best captain/manager duo of all time.
@danymuembo92383 жыл бұрын
Nah not the best manager/captain duo of all time. Although I would admit Roy Keane is a rare captain. A true leader
@trtvitor13853 жыл бұрын
@@danymuembo9238 What would you say is better?
@thelivingxp3 жыл бұрын
Oggy jack....true
@Boylo24923 жыл бұрын
@@danymuembo9238 How are they not the greatest? Keane was the best captain in prem history, SAF the greatest manager in history.
@hondaeownerreviews86082 жыл бұрын
Hats of to Keane for showing his true heart. There's a saying: A genuine man's pride won't let him do things to make you think his right. And Roy proved that by standing up to the Alpha in the pack, that's how passionate he was. So they had to let him go. He should've become United Manager then already.
@LFCTBTV4 жыл бұрын
Keane and Ferguson was footballs answer to Stone Cold vs Vince Mcmahon's beef 😂
@djalexdunne4 жыл бұрын
💯
@ianpandungwibowo78894 жыл бұрын
*glass shattered noise
@Andyc184 жыл бұрын
Roy Keane looked at Alex Ferguson in his beady lil eyes 😂
@LFCTBTV4 жыл бұрын
@@Andyc18 😂🤣😂🤣 dubya dubya eeee
@thepardhu1004 жыл бұрын
Oh please, stop comparing it with a fake sport
@Nerd.Immunity.4 жыл бұрын
Let’s all be honest Keane would not have been let go of if he was 28 years old.
@trafficmonsoonacademy5623 жыл бұрын
Doesnt matter if you're 18 or 28. If you think you're some demi god in the changing room, i got no room for you. No doubt Keane was the type of character you need in pitbull matches. But once SAF saw that Keane was chewing off his own puppies, you know you got to let the beast (keane) go. If only Keane knew the line, he could have stayed in ManU for a couple more years. Alas, man forget humility and mercy towards others sometimes. Kudos to SAF to let Keane go. It was the right choice.
@BigDoniel3 жыл бұрын
@@trafficmonsoonacademy562 Keane was the driving force in that team, short of shooting someone he'd not be touched if he was a few years younger. Without Keane that dominance around the turn of the century doesn't happen, he was untouchable.
@Buth19833 жыл бұрын
Absolutely correct.
@george._mav3 жыл бұрын
@@trafficmonsoonacademy562 yes i agree roy keane was wrong for what he did. And the irony is Roy keane was unhappy with fergie criticising certain united players in his autobiography yet he felt it was okay to do that himself on mutv. Double standards At the end of the day, I dont think Fergie has anything personal against him, he definitely respects him and if i were roy id honestly just forgive the man. he had the privilege to represent man utd for 12 years and also serve them as a captain, he was 34 anyway so he was coming towards the end of his career. But deep down even Roy has a big ego for someone who came across as very humble and modest.
@terrysadlier84563 жыл бұрын
@@trafficmonsoonacademy562 you probably love pogba and have no problem with what he did witch is 1k times worse than being the captain of the club and criticising lazy players.
@russellgoodall62064 жыл бұрын
Every team needs a Roy Keane figure but as he’s one of a kind, no chance of that. Maybe because he had Brian Clough manage him before Ferguson, he speaks with a great self belief and wisdom! A marvellous captain and leader, who always gave 100%. You are a true legend Roy!
@abhijitdallakoti31353 жыл бұрын
@Andy C what do you think of Bruno Fernandes? That audio clip from sporting, the argument with Lindelof on the Sevilla match, his suggestion to Ole to make subs, and now his praising of Baily after almost every match.
@malikaielomari89953 жыл бұрын
@@abhijitdallakoti3135 it’s good but he isn’t the captain so people on the team maybe feel like they don’t need to listen but he’s a born leader fernandes amazing player
@abhijitdallakoti31353 жыл бұрын
@@malikaielomari8995 they got no choice, even Solskjaer should listen to him
@mrlennon48693 жыл бұрын
roy's character has got nothing to do with clough or keane, its to do with where he is from, cork where michael collins is also from.
@stu176mmm2 жыл бұрын
🤣😂🤣😂
@iainrudge19913 жыл бұрын
Fergie: As United manager, I'm gonna give you a testimonial & pay you the rest of your contract Keane: That's your job
@alberttanner4083 жыл бұрын
Its not I
@thewumpus69373 жыл бұрын
@djo lo It’s a joke.
@Mcfads9993 жыл бұрын
I know it's a joke , I see it on Roys instogram.. Why does very one say it lol ?
@Rick-hx7tx2 жыл бұрын
Shave that beard you fraud
@TPRM12 жыл бұрын
Actual lol
@martinfarrell22043 жыл бұрын
Roy Keane as a manager would not tolerate what Roy Keane the player said
@DK-ep2ov3 жыл бұрын
Good job stealing Garry Neville's comment.
@alexandavamurray3 жыл бұрын
But what did he say, the video wasn't released and other explayers said it wasnt. So I think fergie is BSing here
@ronaldoishomecr71073 жыл бұрын
What did he say
@Masscollect13 жыл бұрын
You don’t even know what he said you melt.
@timothyhollins60103 жыл бұрын
Well said .Roy Keane is not a good man!
@l.r94434 жыл бұрын
Then just 2 years later he got Sunderland promoted
@goodsirknight4 жыл бұрын
Pity he hasn't managed to progress from that early success, it's a gone a bit wrong for him in the management game. He's probably not a tactician more of a motivational force, and harder to be that from the dug out
@bennyb38964 жыл бұрын
@@goodsirknight F management he’s the best pundit to ever step into the sky sports studio..
@goodsirknight4 жыл бұрын
@@bennyb3896 true but he'd prefer to be a manager, he said it himself. Check out the great interview with Off The Ball from last year, it's very interesting and entertaining
@bennyb38964 жыл бұрын
@@goodsirknight Lol I just watched it it’s a good one thanks buddy 😂
@goodsirknight4 жыл бұрын
@@bennyb3896 haha good man Benny. He is some character in fairness
@oshb55594 жыл бұрын
incoming comment: SKy sPoRts ReTRo tHe GiFt tHAt kEePS oN gIVIng.
@Dinoo12344 жыл бұрын
lol
@rs-dq3li4 жыл бұрын
ThE tImInG oF tHiS cHaNnEl 👌👌👌
@Anonymous-hj7yv4 жыл бұрын
Sky sports retro the gift that keeps on giving🎉😎🔥
@charlie16154 жыл бұрын
SkY sPoRtS aDmIn DeSeRvEs A rAiSe
@fizzya54424 жыл бұрын
Just say that
@tsa_034 жыл бұрын
Sad to see Roy Keane leave on bad terms with fergie other than that one of the best captains to grace the league. Tbh few other players left on bad terms like Beckham and stam
@Socman-fu1gs4 жыл бұрын
the best captain to grace the Premier league mate.. not being biased either the majority of fans from other clubs would agree
@bipinmistry35904 жыл бұрын
And Van Nistleroy and Tevez . I really liked Rudd. Wished he had stayed at Utd and had more time with Cristiano Ronald. 👌 United have had some of the worlds best players during Fergie’s reign.
@Jam-iv6xz4 жыл бұрын
@@bipinmistry3590 Ruud left because of Cristiano.
@Socman-fu1gs4 жыл бұрын
@EnterTheVoid yeah Ronaldo was the breaking point for fergie with ruud if I recall.. Ronaldos father had just died months prior to their heated exchange on the training pitch to which ruud told Ronaldo to go cry to his father or something along those lines.. Ruuds time was staring to come to end around then so the writing was already on the wall for fergie
@moonfly14 жыл бұрын
Can't really forget that last game when RvN was in the bench, and came on the pitch at the final whistle to take one last look around. Sad end really.
@suprio_gonefishing2 жыл бұрын
I love Roy, I love Sir Alex! It was sad that this had to end the way it did but, looking back after so many years, it was the only possible end.
@ianmcdonald30532 жыл бұрын
I got more respect for Roy, Roy calls out the crap that’s went on the last 9 years, Fergie sits in the boardroom collecting his cut of the dividends!
@grimacemcdonald12 жыл бұрын
AF wasn’t gonna lose face and ruin his legacy for one player. He had the power to get rid and did. It happens a lot in modern day life, people hate to hear home truths
@Rgsetters2 ай бұрын
I think it was actually good for United. Although the break down if the relationship between fergie and John magnier had a much bigger impact on the club.
@tonyx87504 жыл бұрын
Fergie was the boss and Roy overstepped his mark, simple. Roy was at the tail end of his career and I am curious if he would have gotten away with it a couple of years earlier !
@ppuh6tfrz6463 жыл бұрын
I don't think he would have got away with it. It wouldn't have been the first time an apparently indispensible player was shown the door by Ferguson.
@grahamcruickshank45723 жыл бұрын
I would agree with you there.
@yaaseenparker78284 жыл бұрын
One of the main reasons Ferguson consistently won was know one was bigger than the team. No one could make demands, think they run the place and that the team revolves around them. One of the big problems we see with managers today
@umarahmad23332 жыл бұрын
Until Rooney
@FatTodd2 жыл бұрын
@@umarahmad2333 and ronaldo. It’s because those two were literally irreplaceable. He did try sign benzema tho
@la7dfa2 жыл бұрын
It's too much money involved for the biggest players today. You can't just sack them as if they had a normal price and salary.
@mbucd2 жыл бұрын
Another big reason was that he had a quality captain who was a real leader on the pitch.
@SK-ix8jb2 жыл бұрын
@@mbucd utd have lacked on a quality captain for a while
@Crsf843 жыл бұрын
when a player thinks he’s bigger than the club it’s time to go. Roy keane or phillis jones makes no difference .
@Jack-lr2nh3 жыл бұрын
Beckham is a prime example aswell
@StevieObieYT3 жыл бұрын
Then what about Paul Pogba? He clearly thinks he's too big for the club.
@funds11113 жыл бұрын
@@StevieObieYT Because he wants to leave?
@Crsf843 жыл бұрын
@@StevieObieYT pogba should be sold even at a loss in the summer. He has never turned up since returning from italy, A few nice passes hear and there does not warrant his ego. Money down the drain on that one.
@sechabatheletsane97843 жыл бұрын
Pogba still around
@SuperDangerousMouse4 жыл бұрын
Sky Sports Retro, it would be nice if you could put the date of the video in the description. Thank you.
@Dinoo12344 жыл бұрын
They did
@SuperDangerousMouse4 жыл бұрын
@@Dinoo1234 says the game took place in 2005
@michaelmelro66414 жыл бұрын
SuperDangerousMouse in the background of this video you see SAF’s autobiography written on the wall. Clearly a presser for his book. Which Keane had an issue with. He didn’t like the fact that Fergie left out a lot of players when listing his world class players. So getting the story about Keane must have been good copy for those writers at the time. I’d say this is late 2013.
@SuperDangerousMouse4 жыл бұрын
@@michaelmelro6641 thank you very much !!! But it would be nice from the poster of the video to document it properly in the description. I really appreciate your response.
@Brickcellent4 жыл бұрын
They should put it on the video. Makes no sense why they wouldn't.
@eughrologh3 жыл бұрын
The lads who played with Roy all talk with great reverence for him. That says alot.
@Glynnermang3 жыл бұрын
Of course they do. Hes a United Legend. However his temper let him down this time and also in World Cup (Saipan). Unfortunately though the thing about managing Roy Keane is you cant have jam both sides - A Pitbull on the pitch doesn't translate to a kitten off it and SAF was correct that nobody could be bigger than the club. Two legends no matter what the history.
@upon-fe27202 жыл бұрын
"If I had have let it pass I think the players would have viewed me differently". This is the most important part of being a manager in any circumstance. You need to be able to control how you're viewed as it intrinsically links to how you want the team under you to perform. It's why Poch fell apart at Spurs and why Wenger fell apart at Arsenal and why Mourinho falls short after a few seasons at any club. They lose control of their persona.
@colincostello74862 жыл бұрын
Yep, that's why he retained control. Any player gets to big, get.rid.
@AdamSmith75th2 жыл бұрын
That’s a great point. That’s why the best managers (and people in general) do well not to put on or contrive a persona. To be genuine and authentic always wins. A good peoples person will know that to truly connect with someone, you can’t be disingenuous
@nikreece62952 жыл бұрын
I have to agree with you on that…l’m a Liverpool fan…but I have to admit that Ferguson had mastered the art of mind games, knowing how to handle players..and then knowing when the time was right in getting rid of them…those were the reasons why Manchester United were so dominant and so successful under fergie in the 1990s and 2000s
@saneman71772 жыл бұрын
Poch fell apart at Spurs because he’d had the best years out of most of his players & the squad was on the decline en-masse due to age…literally his cult like status at the club stopped him getting sacked much sooner, he hadn’t won an away match for a year, a YEAR!
@jameslemmon44962 жыл бұрын
Roy Keane is a tortured soul,he's running the game against Juventus Champions League semi one minute then walking out on his National team the next,a force of nature in both directions but undoubtedly the most talented captain the Prempership has/will ever witness
@yujieleong88214 жыл бұрын
At least at the end, Sir Alex gave an honorable farewell to Roy Keane with a testimonial match. The same could not be said to Suarez tho at Barca. Respect to Sir Alex.
@barrymckenna85473 жыл бұрын
Players usually get a testimonial after 10 years or if they get seriously injured and have to retire
@sragen993 жыл бұрын
Or Messi LOL
@liamc193 жыл бұрын
I don't think Roy sees it as an honourable farewell.
@Gfresh8443 жыл бұрын
Clubs don't give a testimonial to an active player who plays for a rival team.
@barrymckenna85473 жыл бұрын
@@Gfresh844 Denis Irwin’s was against Man City
@redmustangredmustang3 жыл бұрын
I am always amazed how they were able to work well together for that many years. Two head strong minds that were eventually going to butt heads in the end. it sadly came to an end during the MUTV interview. If you are going to call out someone you do in private or in the locker room with your teammates there. Sir Alex had to squash this because it would have done a whole bunch of damage in the locker room. In the end, Sir Alex decision was right and look what happened the next year, United went onto win 3 straight Premier League titles along with a Champions League title to match.
@kyronne12 жыл бұрын
Mad
@AnonYmous-ez4es2 жыл бұрын
Year of the Pig. Year of the Snake. Mortal Enemies.
@rrrick10002 жыл бұрын
Sir Alex was right in so many ways. He didn't only know the beautiful game so well but he also was a master at psychology with how in treating the players. Yet I would say that at the very top of what made his greatness. Was him knowing that he needed to have the biggest ego at the club (in a healthy, winning way) and if a super star like Beckham, Rudd, Keane who ever crossed the line. Bye bye. Respect. So when you have the God father tapping you on the shoulder after a game and saying good job today. It means the world! Sure if they were younger, they still would of been punished and maybe kept, maybe not. But his old school teachings and basically tough love worked. The world needs it right now.
@rampageclover9788 Жыл бұрын
Beckham just wanted to be famous…with Keane and Van Nistleroy though it was a gradual breakdown in their relationships with the gaffer. Both were his top guys and were slowly being shelved to make room for new players and it began to affect them emotionally
@Hwyz447 Жыл бұрын
@@rampageclover9788 Beckham says in the Netflix documentary that Fergie refused to even talk to him after the boot incident and wanted to ship out becks to Barca
@rampageclover9788 Жыл бұрын
@@Hwyz447because Beckham was starting to act bigger than the club
@twistedpreacher24554 жыл бұрын
Keane completely perosnfiies what Fergie wanted from a player. I think their relationship always hung in the balance. If you listen to Keane now, he always talks about what is needed to be a "Man Utd" player. He knows the club inside out because he was mentored to bleed Utd.
@kierancarberry76013 жыл бұрын
its so so sad that this happened but when 2 strong personalities clash the outcome is not good. united lost the best captain in a long time and never replaced Roy. hopefully they can now reconcile and forgive each other. but what a team united were
@avisionofsorrow3 жыл бұрын
Unlikely they would have won as many league titles without Roy. He deserved more credit.
@ChrisFineganTunes3 жыл бұрын
He had and still gets plenty of credit. How many league titles would United have won without Fergie? Fergie didn't put up with any of that kind of nonsense, save for a couple of exceptions (Rooney being the main one that comes to mind).
@MrVarunparmar3 жыл бұрын
No way United would have won 1999 Champions league without Roy.
@nakitupou56373 жыл бұрын
@D if it weren't for Keane against Juventus, United wouldn't have made the Final. Made Zidane & Conte look like Amateurs in the 2nd leg. He led United to the Final.
@McCumbo3 жыл бұрын
@@ChrisFineganTunes Literally one of the highest regarded players in Prem history. Don't know how he can be given more credit.
@TTTRRR3 жыл бұрын
You're not wrong but after he left they won 5/7 PL titles and were 1 point off in each of the 2 seasons they didnt win. Nearly turned the PL into Bundesliga. Fergie too good.
@alfonsodavidson65494 жыл бұрын
I legit just came here to hear Sir Alex. We miss you so much boss!!
@dkizxpt-su3ze4 жыл бұрын
Roy Keane and Alex Ferguson were like Johnny Rotten and Malcolm McLaren. So alike, and so much affection for each other, that it had to end in tears
@mbucd2 жыл бұрын
Ferguson is more shrewd.
@1man1bike1road2 жыл бұрын
why compare them with two talentless scrubs
@MrKjet2564 жыл бұрын
That's strong management. MU reach UCL final 3 times after Keane left.
@karlrobb16543 жыл бұрын
But did they win them?
@barrymckenna85473 жыл бұрын
@@karlrobb1654 they won one and you could argue they had the best united team ever
@kwl1893 жыл бұрын
@@barrymckenna8547 the two they didn’t win, they had the ultimate misfortune to meet the greatest ever club side football has seen. It’s joke when you think about it. If we played anyone other than that Barcelona side, we’d have won another two UCLs before Fergie left. Alas it wasn’t to be.
@groot89503 жыл бұрын
@@kwl189 We'd have a Champions League win too if we played anyone other than Barca haha.
@elainekerslake68652 жыл бұрын
@@groot8950 arsenal would have as well. Wooda Cooda , maybe never!
@Kicks-iw2xe4 жыл бұрын
One day that video will Come out. Cant wait
@bassdemon38934 жыл бұрын
Keane criticised players from the day he joined United that's what helped make them so successful they raised their game to another level because of the tongue lashing he would give them if they didn't.Fergie wanted him out because Keane had criticised him while at United over his involvement in a legal case involving the rock of Gibraltar horse and the ramifications it would bring down on the club ,also he had a bust up with Ferguson and Carlos Queriroz at a pre season training camp .TBH his cards were marked after all that I'd say there was pressure on fergie from the board to show him the door.
@tomjones32084 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@anthonyhaughey79694 жыл бұрын
Well said. Keane thought it was a bad idea starting beef with John magnier and jp McManus.. Fergie thought he was getting above his station and beat him down the best way he knew how.. the comments Keane made were he supposedly criticized his team mates was only an excuse.
@lpatterson50058 ай бұрын
What is the rock of Gibraltar horse? And I can't remember Keane bringing this up
@ppuh6tfrz6463 жыл бұрын
Judging by Keane's behaviour in other situations, everything Ferguson says here sounds totally plausible. Keane was a great player but he got far too big for his boots and if there's a confrontation between Ferguson and one of his players, there's only ever going to be one outcome. One thing I would like to have clarified is how the video resulted in two players getting booed when it was never released.
@mohamedkoroma27322 жыл бұрын
Now u talking
@zombievikinggaming42582 жыл бұрын
He was 34 and they wanted to get rid of him
@mikeypc3592 Жыл бұрын
The MUTV interview got leaked to the press and the Daily Mirror ran several articles about it. Presume fans read about the interview there and that's why the players got booed.
@roberttemple35811 ай бұрын
Don't believe everything Ferguson says...he was always out for himself. That's why he left an ageing team for Moyes...he bailed out
@ppuh6tfrz64611 ай бұрын
@@roberttemple358 You're one of those moronic United fans who try to diminish Ferguson to reassure yourself that he wasn't really that good, that United don't need him and that you can be successful without him. He 'bailed out' after winning his *THIRTEENTH* Premier League title, ffs and in the 10 years since he left, United haven't won another league title.
@journoreacts4 жыл бұрын
It's a shame they never patched things up
@andrewmacd034 жыл бұрын
I think they're both too stubborn to back down from an arguement even if one of them is wrong 😂
@G17x4 жыл бұрын
@Sub 2 Me 4 No Reason Good person in general but is deffo hard-headed(and stubborn sometimes).
@mbucd2 жыл бұрын
Not really a shame. Fergie is unbothered by the falling out it seems to me.
@Paul-r7t6z3 ай бұрын
Sir Alex was the best manager we ever had but I didn’t believe this story about Roy at all
@asensibleyoungman29782 ай бұрын
That's because you're a Keane fanboy
@stanettiels73672 жыл бұрын
Loved Keane but agree with a genius who is SAF. Player power is destroying the game and I loved this management style, and I’m a Liverpool fan. Both titans of the game and both should be respected for not backing down.
@JC-zj7nv3 жыл бұрын
He did it to make a point to the rest of the squad.. It worked going forward, obviously, but there's ways of treating a player who gave absolutely everything for him and that club without doing what he did.
@1man1bike1road2 жыл бұрын
no player is bigger than the club he plays for as soon as he thinks he is he should just go
@wonjubhoy Жыл бұрын
Roy Keane didn't take anyone else's feelings into account. Ask Jonathan Walters when Keane was the Ireland assistant manager.
@paulfitz48614 жыл бұрын
They lost 4-1 why wouldn't you criticise them
@perfectlemming83944 жыл бұрын
He was talking about what wages everyone was on
@rawthentictruth2 жыл бұрын
I’m a LFC fan but I’m must admit that Ferguson is on the list of my top 5 managers of all time. It’s his stance with issues like this that made him very successful at Utd. He knew how to handle the egos of superstars without affecting his dressing room on and off the pitch.
@bosullivan54622 жыл бұрын
whose better?!!
@Nipun_Chauhan2 жыл бұрын
top 5???? Name one better mate
@rawthentictruth2 жыл бұрын
@@Nipun_Chauhan Honestly, he could be my number one. But some will consider eras, longevity and the instabilities now surrounding clubs because of the amount of money involved. It’s only from that basis I’m saying top 5 because of the agreement about those things I mentioned.
@LeftJoystick2 жыл бұрын
@@rawthentictruth You’ve still not named anyone else. lmao
@rawthentictruth2 жыл бұрын
@@LeftJoystick You mean name someone just to satisfy curiosity? You cou say Ferguson, Cruyff, Pep, Paisley, Shankly, etc. It depends on eras, longevity, generation, times, resources and all that. So this argument of one individual standing out across all generations is unrealistic. For instance, Messi won 7 Ballon D’or, but Argentine; he’s not the greatest of all times. It could be argued for or against.
@xXSulliesXx4 жыл бұрын
Ferguson wanted him out he’s just using this ‘video’ as an excuse to blame Keane for it
@andrewmacd034 жыл бұрын
@@zanos4122 any proof the other way?
@manusiaganteng27534 жыл бұрын
That's true. Roy Keane did worse things during his time with United but Ferguson overlooked it as he was still producing on the pitch.
@williamhearn43044 жыл бұрын
100%. Roy Keane was finished. His period at Celtic proved this
@masters.10004 жыл бұрын
¿Can anyone tell me what Alex said here? I can't understand a word from him.
@conorh48824 жыл бұрын
@@masters.1000 he's talking about a video of Roy giving a foot massage to some of the younger players that couldn't be released
@petelowson54814 жыл бұрын
Sadly it sounds similar to Keane’s run in with Mick Macarthey in Saipan in 2002. Keane’s his own worst enemy at times. Sad.
@Foster Twelvetrees Your name is twelvetrees... You probably don't have twelve brain cells.
@nikreece62952 жыл бұрын
let's all be honest...keano was a fantastic central midfielder general for his time...but he had become a distruptive infleurence in the later stages of his career
@iwannabeedouard16104 жыл бұрын
He says he got rid of him cause keane slated his teammates when in alexs book her criticises all his former players who won him so much 👀
@RAMBALZ4 жыл бұрын
Difference is Keane was still playing and Fergie was still the manager at that time? So it actually make an impact on peformance and respect etc.
@RKOzza4 жыл бұрын
Its not the same thing if Ferguson has knocked his old players, its the result it would of had, on how the rest of the players would have viewed him, if he let it go unanswered. You can still make a comparison between Keane & Ferguson knocking old teammates/players.. but its just opinion. This video is Ferguson's view on why Keane had to leave United. This mini rant was needed i feel.
@Brickcellent4 жыл бұрын
@@RAMBALZ I don't really buy it, because that interview never aired and was buried soon after. I'd believe Fergie if it was a very very public debacle, but it wasn't. Fergie had ulterior motives imho.
@Socman-fu1gs4 жыл бұрын
it's different to slate a player you currently work with.. fergies has done it all so now is the time to confess these tales
@markcollins66354 жыл бұрын
United's dressing room is missing a Keane like figure, demanding 110% from every player.
@Brickcellent4 жыл бұрын
I think every PL team is missing one. The passion for club has been sucked out of football.
@JackNapier4203 жыл бұрын
Maybe not the same- but having Ronaldo back will definitely lift the team, especially the youngsters, to work harder than they've ever worked before. His professionalism, dedication and will to win will undoubtedly rub off...
@battdamon45174 жыл бұрын
Stam. Rooney. Beckham. Keane. He had his run ins alright. But no player is bigger than the club and the gaffer is the gaffer.
@A_friendwithoutbenefits10 ай бұрын
Real reason why Keane was let go: he was getting old and he didn’t get on with Carlos Queiroz
@TonyMontana-sx6jv4 жыл бұрын
Don't know why this was even an issue. As good of a player and captain Keane was. He was about 35 at the time he was released. He was on borrowed time anyway.
@PTMarcoBryant3 жыл бұрын
It is a taint on the sir Alex legacy as Keane was so critical is Manchester United’s success. Roy Keane you are forever a total Legend and you made 99 happen! The best treble in the history of English football.
@sunveerhariparsad63952 жыл бұрын
This is not a taint at all. In fact it's a huge compliment to his legacy bc despite how important and huge Keane was for United, he ensured that nobody thinks that they're bigger than the club and that nobody disrespects the club and gets away with it.
@bakingcookies69 Жыл бұрын
@Sunveer Hariparsad apart from Rooney yeah
@philc1773 Жыл бұрын
Edit. The second best treble in the history of English football!
@mikewalker73664 жыл бұрын
Keane was a magnificent player and Captain, but Fergie made the right call on this one. A really difficult decision but top leadership from the great man.
@BuzzLightyear99993 жыл бұрын
Ferguson handled it poorly… the decision to let Keane go is an entirely reasonable decision based on any number of factors… the MANNER in which Ferguson carried out that decision showed mean-spiritedness and a personal motive above all else… it is the cause of many players from that era beginning to qualify their respect for Ferguson rather than unabashed, unqualified loyalty - they did not appreciate the way Keane was treated after all he had given for the team and it made them realise they were nothing more than commodities to Ferguson…🤷♂️
@mbucd2 жыл бұрын
@@BuzzLightyear9999 Ferguson was very cold blooded when he needed to be.
@rossgeddes94383 жыл бұрын
What a lot of people don’t realise is that the testimonial was already organised at the end of the season anyway and Fergie here is trying to go in the direction of saying that United organised it to honour that Roy was a great player, although the game was already scheduled to happen! Also if you listen to Keane since, he says that Ferguson told him United had cash flow problems when they were trying to pay up the remains from his contract it was a very messy ending and definitely could have been handled better - people should read each of their autobiographies that will give them a clearer picture. That said Ferguson & Keane would have spoken to each other during his testimonial & during the Sunderland vs United games in 2007 so I find it strange why Keane is so bitter towards Fergie even now 🤷♂️
@mbucd2 жыл бұрын
Well he was basically thrown out of the club like bad rubbish by a manager who he had served very well for over a decade. I can see why he would be bitter, I think he deserved better.
@AbdulBasit-in7hh2 жыл бұрын
This guy knows how to handle difficult personalities. He makes the rough decisions. Excellent football manager.
@tommckee1640 Жыл бұрын
@Séverine Rosalia M. not really man United did fine without him
@plc2010011 ай бұрын
LOL@@tommckee1640
@RealHIFIHelp3 жыл бұрын
Hmm, apparantly we will never know why. Let me take a look at that interview Roy Keane’s and Gary Neville “off the ball” interview here on KZbin, to find out more..
@Pj-bg9vx3 жыл бұрын
That's the problem with Keane. I would honestly say he is the best captain ever in premier league. But he thought he could do and say anything he wanted on and off the pitch without consequences!
@hotbot42192 жыл бұрын
He could but not when he got old
@andydurance4782 жыл бұрын
As a Liverpool fan bye the way , I actually think he had to speak up nobody else had the bottle too , he is a LEGEND in football and as a Liverpool fan I will honestly say he is the best midfielder at that time in the world Roy you are missed Mate
@SharkSprayYTP2 жыл бұрын
not a real liverpool fan
@mubarakkhan91404 жыл бұрын
Love to see them make up, brilliant characters, Both Legends
@craigoliver87122 жыл бұрын
Me also 2 pretty stubborn men though+they both think they're in the right(don't think it's gonna happen)real shame
@Double0Inside Жыл бұрын
Brian Robson Steve Bruce Japp Stam David Beckham Roy Keane Van Nistelroy Carlos Tevez Problems with Cristiano Ronaldo Problems with Wayne Rooney And more that I haven't mentioned A laundry list of top quality talent, most of which left the club. The common denominator? Alex Ferguson. Figure it out.
@mister1arda522 Жыл бұрын
also a common denominator ferguson is a winner and will do what necessary to win
@happydays98063 жыл бұрын
Did cantona overstep his mark kicking a fan ?? What happened to him
@McCumbo3 жыл бұрын
Obviously figuratively that was an atrocious bit of behaviour. Cantona kicking a Crystal Palace away fan wasn't an attack on the club or his team mates though, so it was just a case of media management rather than an internal issue.
@hurleycapetown84203 жыл бұрын
@@McCumbo dunno about that if guys want to slag off your family they deserve a kick in the head,unprofessional yes,atrocious no.
@chrish88713 жыл бұрын
If ever there was a fan needed kicking it was him, but no you can’t do that, and Eric and the club paid the price. Fergie knew Eric would be first into battle and AF would support that, he wouldn’t support an internal battle. Big difference, and you can see that developing to an extent in Roy’s career. Shame great player
@McCumbo3 жыл бұрын
@@hurleycapetown8420 kicking someone in the head in response to words they use is atrocious. It’s certainly more than unprofessional. Turning up to a game hungover is unprofessional. People can say what they want, you can choose to be offended.
@hurleycapetown84203 жыл бұрын
@@McCumbo people can say what they want??? So it’s fine for fans to shout racist abuse at players because it’s the players choice to be offended,what a load of BS,these fans are saying things to hurt and get a reaction, if a fan was touchline shouting racist abuse at a black player and the player hit him or kicked him then I’m fine with it, if you can give it you need to be able to take it.
@sounakroy40144 жыл бұрын
No matter all of these Roy Keane still loves manchester united more than anyone else Maybe he doesn't show his love but his anger and frustration says it all
@darrynmccartney11183 жыл бұрын
At the end of the day, Sir Alex was the boss and that's that. Roy stepped well over the boundary. He absolutely slaughtered his team mates not only on TV but the clubs TV channel. What the Hell did he expect would happen? Roy already had derailed an entire nation when he abandoned us in the 2002 World Cup. As an Irishman I have never forgiven him for that. Sir Alex knew that he couldn't do the same thing at United and derail them. It was Roy's fault and he should be the one apologising.
@MrZORROish2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely - Keane at the World Cup was so utterly selfish and arrogant you have to think he had a mental problem or was psychopathic. They had a great chance of getting to the semis with other top teams dropping out.
@craigoliver87122 жыл бұрын
Roy Keane probably my favourite United player ever been watching them 40+years+totally agree with your comment
@balaclavaman5400 Жыл бұрын
You don't even know what was said in the interview😂 all the players have said (especially rooney) the interview was fine keane was well past his best that's the ruthlessness of ferguson look at robson and Bruce aswell they were let down Also roy was right about everything at the world cup facilties but he should still have played and he knows it you must remember roy was the only reason ireland qualified aswell he was send home by mccarthy aswell ferguson said he was sent home aswell and that keane had every right to complain You live in a fantasy land where everyone gets along bad management by mccarthy for the disgraceful environment for a world cup and ferguson was a genius as a manager he wouldn't have cared what roy said it he was 28 ask any of the united lads while roy could be cruel and ruthless and wrong (especially when he was drinking) the good still outweighed the bad as he was still an animal on the pitch that's it
@mikeypc3592 Жыл бұрын
@@balaclavaman5400Keane's problem was he thought that being captain gave him licence to behave how he wanted towards other players and the manager. The rules didn't apply to him. As regards the MUTV interview, Ferguson's rule was that at Man Utd you don't criticise another Man U player in public. It was all done behind closed doors. Keane himself had benefitted from this when Fergie defended him publicly for his various scrapes such as being arrested for assault, the Haaland tackle, being kicked out the world cup. But Keane blatantly disobeyed Fergie's rule by criticising his teammates in a public broadcast. The fact the players were fine with it was irrelevant. Fergie was the gaffer and he felt it was unacceptable. But Keane still wouldn't accept Fergie's authority, and they ended up in a huge row. Fergie showed him who was boss by getting of him 2 weeks later and there was nothing Keane could do about it. His ego was severely bruised and that's why he's still bitter nearly 20 years later. Saipan has a lot of similarities. Keane gave a newspaper interview slaughtering the FAI, Mick McCarthy and the other players. There was no benefit to doing this during the tournament and it was bound to damage team morale. Keane should've waited until after the tournament to air those grievances but once again he felt he could behave how he wanted being Ireland captain. McCarthy had every right to challenge Keane for the newspaper article, and then send him home when Keane became abusive. No one player is bigger than the team and that included Roy Keane regardless of his contribution.
@balaclavaman5400 Жыл бұрын
@@mikeypc3592 this is mostly garbage from you all the united players have said the interview was fine it was probably similar to his criticism of maguire on sky Rooney has come out since and said that roy was completely right.He could do and say what he wanted and fergie would not care he had a go after a bayern Munich game when united got knocked out of champion league and gnev said that was probably worse Keane was a madman but when his performance on the pitch weren't the same when he was 29 the mutv never went out if it was so bad why not just not show Roy's interview and get someone else to do it It was bad blood between quiros fergie and roy and there was only 1 winner cause fergies the manager look at jaap stam fergie got rid of him for no reason just used the book as a excuse when he had noticed jaap injury and thought he lost a yard of pace the book was a patsy Also roy should have played at the world cup he was driving standards no pitch mo balls no equipment for a world cup that's disgracefull he had every right to complain he was the captain players where getting injured on the rock hard pitch it was probably partly the fai responsibility for that but yes he should of soldiered on but he still had every right to complain about the kip that was saipan
@YusufEbr4 жыл бұрын
Fergie didn't know how to retire him. He should have just been open and honest and this drama BS after wouldn't have happened. There wasn't even much to that video according to Keane.
@ppuh6tfrz6463 жыл бұрын
According to Keane...
@cooksword784 жыл бұрын
There are very few players by far and between theses days that carry a set of balls like Keane, right or wrong the man battled
@TONYCOV8812 жыл бұрын
And he was more wrong and it shows it.
@TommasoGiordani2 жыл бұрын
In those islands a you tend to be overimpressed by agonism. Keane was a good footballer but no more than that. A great fighter but merely a good footballer.
@sirdondaniel4 жыл бұрын
Thank you KZbin for the translation!
@G17x4 жыл бұрын
I really wish they could've ended it on a good note
@SATULAL4 жыл бұрын
In an ideal world it would have been great to see but given that these two were a mirror image of one another, it was always going to end this way. The fact we got 12.5 years out of this duo together is something to savour!
@romanbatista32863 жыл бұрын
@@SATULAL bro how sir alex and keane is different? They both got elite mentality right?
@aathamazhiqi34814 жыл бұрын
Best Ever Manager/Captain Duo
@MALEXI103 жыл бұрын
I believe Keane. I think we can be too quick to run to Ferguson's defence. What did he expect from Keane when he knew his character? A character that personified Ferguson on the pitch.
@timwilliam98552 жыл бұрын
It was the type of player Utd had at the time, heck you use foul language now and you're likely to have someone break down
@1man1bike1road2 жыл бұрын
Ferguson says where the line is keane crossed it got booted
@benbryant43174 жыл бұрын
I think both are to blame
@shashvatsingh51024 жыл бұрын
He was the captain, he should criticise the team when they’re playing bad
@benbryant40364 жыл бұрын
@@shashvatsingh5102don't know why fergie reacted like that Roy did worse things in his career than that
@jaideeptribedi41584 жыл бұрын
Couldn't understand a single thing he said....
@cachedreamer4 жыл бұрын
The decision, the reason i had to explain it because it happened so quickly, but his actions were so quick, for one reason or another he decided to go criticize his team mates. And so most of you have not seen that video but you couldn't release it, we couldn't release it. Ended up with two young players being booed before the game in Paris in the Wednesday. And uh, we decided we had to do something uh the meeting in the room was you know it was horrendous, you know i just couldn't lose my control in this particular situation. And if I had of let it pass and I let it happen I think the players would have viewed me differently, much differently than I would've liked of. And I think that through my career I think I have been strong enough to deal with important issues like that, with Roy he overstepped his mark, absolutely overstepped his mark, and there was no other thing we could do. We did well by him, we paid out his whole contract. We gave him a testimonial in the following season, 75,000. We did everything we could to honour the fact he was a great player for us.
@ttfggg30044 жыл бұрын
@@cachedreamer wow 😯😯😯
@commandingofficer46934 жыл бұрын
@@cachedreamer legend
@gabydicu4 жыл бұрын
@@commandingofficer4693 legend of what? Ball kicker?
@commandingofficer46934 жыл бұрын
@@gabydicu what's your problem, i was just saying thanks to the guy, it takes time to do that.
@arjunghanekar61403 жыл бұрын
Sky sports retro the gift that keeps giving
@ImMagnetz2 жыл бұрын
Haven't watched football in years but I was an Arsenal supporter growing up. That said, Sir Alex wasn't just a manager, he was a leader. Perhaps the greatest ever in the history of football. Even when we'd lose to United and you hated their guts, you couldn't help but respect Fergie.
@huseyinzen45712 жыл бұрын
how can u not watch football in years? what do u do in ur spare time, feel like a large part of my week is either playing, watching, talking and looking at football😂
@ImMagnetz2 жыл бұрын
@@huseyinzen4571 It doesn't do anything for me anymore. I grew out of it. I realised that it was a waste of my time to put so much investment into something where I have zero control over the result. It's become totally ridiculous these days - players being bought and sold for 100s of millions etc.. Just crazy. I found things to watch that I find infinitely more entertaining, eg. serial drama TV shows like Breaking Bad and Sons of Anarchy. I'm also big into my video games like Fallout, Skyrim, etc. There are plenty of ways to fill the day. Of course I work full-time too so that takes up a decent chunk of it. 😂
@mbucd2 жыл бұрын
@@ImMagnetz I watch the international tournaments now because the players are motivated by national pride and not so much money. And some big club games like the CL final. Weekly club games don't hold my interest.
@mossy1992 жыл бұрын
Dunno.....think Fergie is talking crap. Fergie wanted him out before this. Had his chance. Took it.
@jackwachtel-scott80004 жыл бұрын
Great manager but it doesn't mean he got everything right. Keane wasn't the only one who was treated shabbily. Beckham and Stam suffered similarly. Ferguson's ego was not always a good thing for the club.
@hahdanghongha78104 жыл бұрын
The No ego coaches destroy ManU as you see today
@barrymckenna85473 жыл бұрын
Ferguson always replaced them and was still successful
@mbucd2 жыл бұрын
Ferguson was winning stuff right up until he left Utd. I don't like him very much but he's a winner.
@seanomaolain41503 жыл бұрын
Wayne Rooney has said multiple times that he wasn’t taking sides but that Roy didn’t say anything that bad or that wasn’t said before by Roy or Fergie himself. Fletcher said he had no problem with Roy and he was one of the players criticised. Seems like Fergie was lying again and being hypocritical again. Fergie has also said he never tapped up players before signing them but Stam was sent away after revealing that he did in his book. He turned on Rudd & Rooney after they alluded to it. Keane also said that Fergie tapped him up. Fantastic achievements as domestic league manager for Utd but got it wrong in Europe most of the time when it mattered due to his ego more than anything else.
@robertwiesler3814 жыл бұрын
Even though I am from Austria I think my English is quite good But when Alex Ferguson speaks I am not able to understand anything Why is that?
@tonybates78704 жыл бұрын
Because he's Scottish, and that particular accent is very difficult to follow if you're not from the British Isles.
@djeieakekseki20584 жыл бұрын
Tony Bates add scoured accent to the that plus anything north.
@davethered78512 жыл бұрын
Sir Alex Ferguson and Roy Keane best ever GGMU🙌🏻
@ethops74514 жыл бұрын
I hate him because I’m a Liverpool fan but I also love him because I’m Irish.
@oshb55594 жыл бұрын
Ethan Connor The Liverpool Irish lots of those
@ynwafanmrks18174 жыл бұрын
I kinda hate him as well, but I admire his captaincy skills and passion he had. Back when football was football. I will never forget those fights with Vieria (even in the tunnel)
@Jonathan-tq9cm4 жыл бұрын
Hes one of the best captains in the Pl history
@adamdoyle88314 жыл бұрын
@@Jonathan-tq9cm id say the best
@johnismycat98454 жыл бұрын
I'm Irish and United but I love Caomin kelleher to bits
@suzannep83712 жыл бұрын
How many managers wish that they had a football team and subs with the commitment of Roy Keane…
@Xavyer134 жыл бұрын
I still don't understand :'(
@hms12124 жыл бұрын
please add closed captions / subtitles
@benjaminboothe23394 жыл бұрын
The manager loses in these type of situations today. Jose Mourinho at Man Utd being the prime example. But to add to that I felt the right choice was made anyway but it would have ended the same way even if it wasn't the right decision.
@gc199014 жыл бұрын
I believe Roy’s version of events especially when he didn’t fall out with any of his team mates . Be a man Ferguson and be straight and honest
@barrymckenna85474 жыл бұрын
Apart from Brian clough, Alex Ferguson, mick McCarthy, Jack Charlton, his Irish teammates 2x the Aston Villa team, his ghost writer, Niall Quinn, the Irish team apart from that he hasn’t really fallen out with anyone
@gc199014 жыл бұрын
@@barrymckenna8547 i'm refering to his united team mates over that incident. nothing else
@cycglplg4 жыл бұрын
true, only a fool would believe Fergie's version
@mbucd2 жыл бұрын
I believe Fergie was annoyed at being criticised by Keane over the horse. At that point it was only a question of how and when they could get rid of him.
@robmccutcheon19302 жыл бұрын
Its a strange one roy might not be everyones cuppa but you have to admire the way he goes about things himself and sir alex are ruthless when they need to be and this was probably a battle of wits..... Im not a man u fan but im a fan of both these two men There are certain people you can listen too no matter the subject and you want to hear there views Sir alex Keano Cloughie They could talk about wallpaper and id be listening... Not everyone can hold you like these guys I am sad they dont see eye to eye... Id love nothing more than these two legends to sit and talk sadly it wont happen but weve been lucky to have them both they will go down in man utd history...... Play ball....
@diabeticfridge29302 жыл бұрын
The reason Sir Alex was so successful was that no player was more important to the club than he was .... GOAT
@RadioNul Жыл бұрын
Well, except for Darren Ferguson.
@CodGodess4 жыл бұрын
One thing is the players Keane slated won the European Cup 3 years later. Keane at that point in 2005 was not the player he was and maybe just maybe that did affect his comments and with hindsight which is such a beautiful thing Keane was wrong.
@martinbond4613 жыл бұрын
Keane himself said that players should be moved on once they were no longer of the standard that Manchester United required. Unfortunately that was the situation for him and yet he wasn't so happy then!
@timothyhollins60103 жыл бұрын
Roy Keane is never happy. He gets Dru k and punches ladies in bars. Let's not idolize an over paided narcaccistic boy because he did a hard day's work.
@playedout1483 ай бұрын
For Sir Alex to explain himself to this degree shows how legendary Keane was.
@BallJuiceOfZeus4 жыл бұрын
“Absolute nonsense”
@sjjsjs16034 жыл бұрын
Sky Sports Retro is my christmas gift
@AMusa924 жыл бұрын
this the one thing Sir Alex did that was scumbagish, he's always been ruthless and not averse to heavyhandedness but this was too much
@rollercoaster4784 жыл бұрын
@Troy Krentz well Keane was right, so yeah, he should have talked with Keane, scolded him maybe, and kept this private.
@Craig-ls6rv Жыл бұрын
Roy’s career was coming to a close anyway. He knew it, Ferguson knew it and Celtic found out after a few weeks of signing Roy.
@glemonsbhatkin5144 жыл бұрын
Deserved a hero's farewell, not an Alex red card.
@MiniOilSlyk10 ай бұрын
Go on, release it..
@benmatheson11894 жыл бұрын
How dare Roy critising his teammates after getting destroyed 🤣 have a day off Fergie will you
@liamc193 жыл бұрын
It's a nonsense! Can't believe so many Fergie bootlickers try to defend him over this.
@BeatPoet673 жыл бұрын
There's only one boss. Keane was a great player. He was a terrible manager. His judgement is also questionable. I've seen him speak about this bust up alongside Gary Neville. Neville was at the meeting and clearly thinks Keane was way over the line. Keane left and Fergie built another great side. Who do you trust most? A man who led literally hundreds of players to success, or a moody insular character, who's pretty entertaining on Sky, but has never convinced as a manager?
@dasgov7443 жыл бұрын
Roy Keane was a great player. But a terrible sportsman. I am a diehard MUFC supporter. Didnt like him then and like him less now. All he does is spew negativity.
@dasgov7443 жыл бұрын
@real music He helped win those trophies for sure. Doesnt change the fact that he is a dirty player. Who likes to moan alot. You dont go into a tackle to hurt yiur opponent. Then football means nothing to you. If it meant something then you wouldnt potentially take that away from someone by delivering a career ending tackle. Going into a tackle like that doesnt make a player awesome. Just means he/she doesnt have faith in their own talent or skill and has to resort to playing dirty. I want to win but not at any cost. Fairplay and honour must mean something
@dasgov7443 жыл бұрын
@real music Fingers crossed dude. Its anybodies season for the taking. Leicester might shock us again. Im glad that united are playing with any belief again. Fingerz crossed
@daviddavid4962 Жыл бұрын
Keane did not deserve that treatment. You should have let him leave with dignity "Sir" Alex.
@MarcMaccoy3 жыл бұрын
Roy stepped out of line. He thought he was the manager. Managers manage, players play. Don't get it twisted.
@pirateboyfearless2 жыл бұрын
Thank heaven for subtitles.
@timothyjack57944 жыл бұрын
I feel so embarrassed for Roy Keane whenever he shows up, he's lived his life in such a small bubble he genuinely believes he is some kind of warrior. The 8 stone little man may have been a tough guy with late off the ball challenges or mouthing off in books or with 10 of his teammates to hold him back, but now he has retired to see him still acting the tough guy is like that cool kid at school who still acts the same as a 40 year old. Bless him
@barryb904 жыл бұрын
Bet he'd still kick the ring off you.
@timothyjack57944 жыл бұрын
@@barryb90 😂🤣😂 exhibit A... ...worse case I can just get my dad onto him...
@classiestdig37824 жыл бұрын
Your name is Timothy stfu
@timothyjack57944 жыл бұрын
@@classiestdig3782 Loving the 12year old schoolchild 'digs', keep the theme going fair play.... 🤘🤘
@timothyjack57944 жыл бұрын
@TheRealist 811 hahaha. Or the one who completely misses the most basic sarcasm...
@NelsonMusicCOUK Жыл бұрын
Ferguson's managerial style was all about control. Top to bottom. As soon as he felt he didn't have control of a player, they were on their way out. Just like Beckham.
@kingcapalottt30794 жыл бұрын
I clicked sooo fast
@coolmacatrain94344 жыл бұрын
This interview is from early November, 2013
@ryanholland67504 жыл бұрын
Hearing from Keane on that off the ball podcast with gary neville it's interesting to see the other side, like when Keane says they put a statement in front saying thank you for your 10 and half years service when it was actually 11 and a half and h things previous with I'm looking for any senior players excluding Keane who was captain of the club, Keane was getting on fergie knew he had to move him on and this video of a 4-1 defeat to Middlesbrough was just the excuse
@andym284 жыл бұрын
I'm Scottish but Alex was as cold as ice. He essential ran Man United like a socialist dictator. Keane is actually a very warm person deep down. Taking his general in Keane down like that was not necessary and shows the sort of megalomaniac he became. Its not the Glasgow way but I guess he became a different person.