Sir Joe Williams on The Treaty

[@nzkiwi1883]

Really well balanced presentation that not only deals with the past but presents vision for the future. Thank you.

[@leetuki8166]

This is absolutely brilliant, I am so happy I found it to broaden my awareness and knowledge and understanding better our historic times. He taonga tou kōrero, he Rangatira koe

[@kalishatewake6777]

Love his korero on our history and how he explains the importance of our culture and the rawness of it all..with the power of control with certain documents and with parliamentary governance the national and labor party were and still have been the only parties that have governed Aōtearoa, the maori party was established in 2004 and still to this day have not won an electoral vote for governance of Aōtearoa which was interesting to why it has not happebed, some information that i have read on a voting brochure it came to my attention that if you are not of maori decent you can not go on the maori role you can only go on the general role and vote for parties that is given, maori's however can go on the general role and the maori role. We need to acknowledge what is going on here when the government talks about equality they need to look at their actions on how they perceive equality with their very own movements and governance.

[@sophiat2058]

What gospel and bishop is he refering to? Is it mormon or lds?

[@stephenlennon7369]

Kai pai ehoa

[@johntehiwi114]

It was genocide committed tell the truth all them hapu were all whanau wot a joke

[@DW_Kiwi]

Sir Joe is deluded. Half truths. Nothing worst. I just wonder how many Maoris have bent their knee to Baal!

[@shauntempley9757]

I could ask how you, when learning what was written by officials, like the Royal Proclamation of King George; which is part of the British Commonwealth charter, think it is a pack of lies. Only an idiot would continue to do that.

[@montyscooter1965]

56:12 Why is he lying? The New Zealand Maori Council v Attorney-General [1987] 1 NZLR 641 clearly states, "What has already been said amounts to acceptance of the submission for the applicants that the relationship between the Treaty partners creates responsibilities ***analogous to fiduciary duties***. Counsel were also right, in my opinion, in saying that the duty of the Crown is not merely passive but extends to active protection of Maori people in the use of their lands and waters to the fullest extent practicable." The English Crown and Maori were never a "partnership". Williams tries to fool these plebs by stating Maori were not a contractual people and then in his next breath states that the signing of a treaty was a partnership. Huh? As for his fictional tale of Maori taking on the greatest military power in the World is farcical at best. Maori knew all too well the military might of the English. The Westminster constitutional principle of parliamentary sovereignty was not given away to New Zealand lightly. It was not until 1987 that New Zealand became a free-standing constitutional monarchy whose parliament has unlimited sovereign power. Yet according to the revisionist Joe Williams 1840 Maori entered into a partnership with Queen Victoria???? Yeah right!!! English sovereignty could not have ever been considered to be a partnership under the 1840 concept of sovereignty under English constitutional law. Even now the Scottish parliament is not in a partnership with Westminster. The partnership Joe Willliams is calling is going to be the same trainwreck as is happening in the UK. Devolution to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland was implemented in the late 1990s without much consideration (read hubris) of how such a radical reform would affect the UK Parliament and Government. Even though devolution marked a major change in the governance of the devolved nations, Westminster and Whitehall did not initially need to adapt very much to the new context. Why was that? Because devolution in the eyes of Westminster did not change the constitutional principle of parliamentary sovereignty. Westminster transferred only certain powers to Edinburgh, Cardiff and Belfast, but retained the ability to legislate in all areas, devolved or not. Also, devolution retained the Barnett formula for distributing money to the three nations and the guiding approach to devolution has been to draw a clear division between what is devolved and what is ‘reserved’ to Westminster. Few functions are formally shared between central and devolved governments. As a result, the UK Government did not create systems or processes for joint working with the devolved administrations. In practice, however, devolution has had several significant effects on Westminster and Whitehall. The arrangements for funding devolution have evolved significantly since 1999. The UK Parliament has also had to develop new mechanisms for dealing with legislation for the different nations of the UK, and the UK Government has had to manage tensions and disputes with the devolved administrations, not least over Brexit. Not least the ways in which Westminster and Whitehall have had to adapt to devolution, and consider the state of the relationship between central and devolved governments after the EU referendum. Partnership will not work in New Zealand. Not least because Maori and English common law have opposing views over fundamental concepts like the ownership of water and other resources.

[@Matikemai2040]

Boring 😴 😴😴😴

[@torqingheads]

Quite a history about the Maori - put the Inca's or the Aztecs to shame in degeneration. Outcast as weaker primitive Neolithic people by the invading Hawaiians & Tongans (Maori were from the original wave of primitive Asian/Melanesians pushed right out across the Eastern Pacific by successive stronger races coming from the west). They were outcast on rafts and some floated up in NZ stranded for 500 years. The weaker were pushed down to the South Island or Chathams etc. So the South Island Maori (had their own language) were the weakest of the weak. They were captured and eaten as 'Slave flesh' by the northern Maori doing raids. (Well they all ate each other - 80% of Maori pre European were dark skinned easily fattened slaves farmed and eaten by a lighter skinned 'Ariki' thin wiry elite royal caste). So it was with some righteousness as well as British cunning that they armed the southern Maori who then with muskets launched a genocidal war on the north.. That plus measles & flu halved the Maori population and removed most of the elite. The British then liberated the slaves and outlawed cannibalism. The northern Maori fought with the British against the south bad west Maori 'rebels'. The Maori sued for peace and a treaty was signed that removed all sovereignty and made them subjects to the English crown where the English would protect them from each other. Land could only be sold to or via the Crown. Maori could live on their reservations with native custom but none did. The treaty of Waitangi is strikingly clear in that the Maori cede any claim and give up and die as an original society - all 3 clauses lock that in. Nothing in today's 'Maori' culture is authentic. The music - all European (Maoris did not have tonal music, the songs are missionary tunes or introduced - Poi dance is from Islands and Stick dance from old Malaya. The carvings and art - all European - Arabesques that was the fashion at the time. Original Maori had limited dash carving and no painting of objects. No written language - all the syntax & grammar plus vowel inflection is European. No technology - some lagoon canoes and wood or stone Neolithic tools. No food sources - like pigs or crops - they left that all behind, all they had was a weak inbred fox (now extinct), some rats and a weak dismal pacific yam. They ate out all the bird-life, didn't know how to farm the sea as were island people and so they turned to societal cannibalism. Today - no full blood or half blood left. No genuine tradition and almost all are offspring of Maori slave females sold to white settlers for muskets or food. -So more fake than the 'Sioux' or 'Cherokee' or 'Crow' who had at least retained some genuineness about who they were and their history. -Everything you 'saw or experienced' is Fake. A totally convected disneyfied tokenistic set of inventions fueled by a grievance culture of almost totally European people fetishing a false past bad history because it pays benefits. 'This Horrid Practice' - Professor Paul Moon, 'Behind The Tattooed Face' - Heretaunga Pat Baker, 'A History Of New Zealand Anthropology In The 19th Century' - H D Skinner

[@edenmonu9956]

this is what happens when you tell non-maori only a bit of the truth it becomes all distorted like this piece of fiction lol

[@robintamihere4550]

Misinformation. miss interpretations of various writers and misunderstandings of Māori history, and IDIOTS like jesus who portray their false perverted NARCISSISTIC DICKHEAD narratives. 1st ERROR, Māori have a ancestry back to the Aztecs. 2nd ERROR Māori did not float up in NZ stranded for 500 years, as he candidly states, what a load of BS - Māori traveled back and forth for generations between the Polynesian Islands from whence they came. 3rd ERROR Māori actually stopped off and lived with the Hawaiians, Tongans, Tahitians, Samoans and a number of other island, most of these islands have markers/plagues or monuments that mark the Māoris jump off point, i.e., departure points from these islands. fancy that!!! 4th ERROR, In all of my research never have i heard of light skinned 'Ariki' thin wiry elite royal caste) Māori. 5th ERROR Māori did not appear on the Chatham Islands until around the 1830s or shortly thereafter, as the Moriori were already living there. One reason Māori turned up on the Chatham's was due to colonisation, where the British Soldiers stole their land by displacing Māori off their land and chased/forced Māori from the North Island to flee to the South Island and than flee to the Chatham Islands. 6th ERROR I have never heard of the following - ''So it was with some righteousness as well as British cunning that they armed the southern Maori who then with muskets launched a genocidal war on the north''. This is the first time I'm hearing that the south island maori were armed by the British to go to war with the north island Māori. 7th ERROR to say ''measles & flu halved the Māori population and removed most of the elite.'' Removed most of the elite is pure fallacy. 8th ERROR The Māori DID NOT sued for peace and a treaty was signed. Te Tiriti o Waitangi writen in Te Reo is a complicated document to understand. But sue for peace No we did not. Another fallacy. 9th ERROR The treaty DID NOT removed all sovereignty and make Māori subjects to the English crown where the English would protect them from each other. Again he does not have a grasp and FULL IN-DEPTH understanding of Te Tiriti o Waitangi. I'll go one further as little is known of this FACT which only goes to further complicate misunderstandings. By the signing of Te Tiriti NZ was annexed to New South Wales on behalf of the British Monachy, but NSW was not at the time part of the British territories. 10th ERROR he says ''Today - No genuine tradition and almost all are offspring of Māori slave females sold to white settlers for muskets or food. -So more fake than the 'Sioux' or 'Cherokee' or 'Crow''' ALMOST ALL Māori come from female slaves'' is the ULTIMATE INSULT. this ass hole dares to insult my race with fake information. Need I continue to point out ALL of the other ERRORS in his comments.

[@MadaxeMunkeee]

There’s no saving you I’m afraid