Why Charlie Stuffed the Kids, and why that matters.

[@siresquawks]

To those who had concerns about me saying Mimic/Glitchtrap made Pizza Party, a reminder why I make this claim. He did, the literal reason they scanned in tech was to speed up development by having it pull some of the heavy lifting. Tape Girl says it took hold on its own, and things started changing. Glitchtrap is just as much a creator of the ENITRE game as Silver Parasol. And things he made are still going to be there obviously, just as he must've been involved with a lot of the other minigame's creation since it's his AI/magic software bullshit that was used. All tape girl did was fragment him so he couldn't keep changing things. It's also worth noting that tape girl picks up beta testing on the final stretch of silver parasol's development, meaning glitchtrap is only "stopped" right at the end. So, the only way that he has no involvement with Pizza Party is if it was made by team 2 (Vanny's team), which we have no proof for, in fact a tape being there at the implies it was there when glitchtrap gets split up and fractured into the audio logs. Given its mismatched nature and its culmination focusing on a costume that it will use as it's avatar (and had been using that form based on how Tape girl talks about it) it likely is the one who made Pizza Party by stitching together prior minigames and actions, or at least messed with and lead to it being made as seen. And even then, this is all within a game meant to make everything about Freddy's seem like random ghost stories, with several minigames which had no way to physically or chronologically happen, so the creators of Pizza Party don't matter and don't affect the theory.

[@EtherBotGames]

hey some kind advice but possibly consider changing the title of this video to virtually anything other than to include the phrase "stuffed the kids" on its own. even "stuffed the kids into suits" is better

[@Takejiro24]

​@@EtherBotGamesOmg. Lmao. Why did you have to point that out? Can't unsee it now. ☠️

[@an-animal-lover]

​@@EtherBotGamesyour point?

[@AgapeForgotten]

To be fair.. Charlie is a very young kid. It's not fair to expect her to wake up in a new body and realize that she is completely stuck, she'll now be forced to watch everyone she loves die without even being able to talk to them again. Heck.. she may have been scared that if they weren't put in suits the others would just disappear forever.. not realizing that sometimes that could be the best fate.

[@frenchfries2998]

Honestly true especially since Charlie died when she was only 3

[@plantainsame2049]

Their mentality is weird because while In some regards they have Gone up to like 7 year olds. When it comes to plotting they still act like toddlers Like they're capable of doing complex planning. They're attack formations, prove that. But they also get the wrong impression that all adults are evil because they still have mentality of toddlers I'm sorry if this doesn't make sense

[@bigships]

@@frenchfries2998 isn’t that the books. Also who in their right mind locks a 3 year old outside a restaurant. Anyway, Charlie seems to be the most Mature of them all (“the others are like animals, but I am very aware.” Is One of the puppets voicelines from UCN) so she was probably somewhere between 11 and 13 when she was murdered, the others being between maybe 5 and 9 (Cassidy possibly being a little older)

[@oofyeet5935]

​@@bigshipsI definitely agree I think she like a big sister to them

[@southerncoastproductions7587]

incorrect.@@bigships

[@leowulf5280]

I've never quite agreed on the "dead kids need to possess something to see" angle you take a lot. I feel like a disembodied spirit would be perfectly capable of seeing, they just wouldn't be able to do anything else. We see disembodied spirits with nothing left to possess confront William Afton which would be really odd if they needed animatronic bodies to see.

[@femboy4rumMars]

Great point

[@sulphurspanic26]

Well they can be disembodied spirits later, but immediately after they've been murdered they haven't been given gifts/life. So they are dead dead, once they've been given gifts/life they can be disembodied spirits.

[@ketomine.]

i've always liked the idea of them just walking WITH the animatronic, like what we got with Suzy's story in Fazbear frights

[@cornboi3227]

​@@sulphurspanic26"give life" has never really been elaborated upon. they're still dead, they're ghosts, they don't have life. "life" could mean giving them a "body" to be bound to so they can act in the world. that still doesn't mean that ghosts can't see things. and if they were "disembodied" like you said, they wouldn't have that "life" anymore

[@ZirconiaGacha]

@@ketomine. That's actually adorable

[@porcelainchips6061]

Theory; Mike's death in SL explains Scraptrap's appearance in FNAF6. Mike dies in the scooping room and Ennard plays skinwalker for a series of days as the corpse rots. The reason Enard leave the body is very literal; Baby says (in Baby's voice, not Elizabeth's) "He wont die" over and over. Mike's soul "woke up" and would not leave the body; his body, drenched in remnant that is being "sweated" by Enard's metal (and/or he got 'infected' by the remnant on the scooper when it ripped through him). Enard expels itself because MIKE barfs Enard up; it's Mike kicking Enard out of himself. Mike then collapses like an empty sack, but he's so remnant-ed that he's able to pull himself back together after a few minutes on the sidewalk. Going back to FNAF3, Springtrap is burned and Afton is initially yeeted, but he "wont die" and wakes up, pulling himself back together. The fire DID work, it just didn't stick. This is then why UCN happens, because otherwise Afton will will himself back into existence. Orville says "no matter how many times they burn us" because the fire does physically release, or allow the souls to unbind from the metal/flesh. But if the soul wills it; it stays. Afton has to be dragged into Heck and sat on in heck, or he will always WANT to come back.

[@klaykid117]

I always find it incredibly strange how Canon characters will refer to the Bonnie suit as spring like in fazbear's family diner they wouldn't have been spring Freddy and spring Bonnie. They would have just been Freddy the bear and Bonnie the bunny. The fact that they're called spring refers to their internal mechanical workings, which is a really strange thing to tell the public that that's their name

[@thesweetbunny-fazbear]

It's for that reason my brain decide to call them fredbear and paulbunny

[@SomeonesBestFriend11_SBF]

I think that there was already a Freddy's at the same time as Fredbeat's in 83 which stayed open until '85 since Phone Guy mentions a sister location when talking from either Fredbear's or that first Freddy's, so they'd call the animatronics staged there as Spring Bonnie and Spring Freddy or Fredbear.

[@smt64productions40]

I like to think William have an obsession with prefixes

[@aedaniammx7559]

I always figured it was some easter-related season of spring theming or something, which is dumb but does make more sense than calling them the equivalent of CPU Rabbit lol

[@warcriminalgaming2359]

I’m pretty sure Fredbear actually was an alternate nickname name for Freddy though

[@damkylan3]

I never considered the character arc aspect for Charlie in regards to her being the one who stuffed the bodies. I always just figured "man, it's really messed up that the bodies went hidden from their families, had to be William". You make a good case for it being her flaw that she overcomes. That makes her a lot more interesting. However, I concur with what someone else said that the method of death they choose for William (and those they think are William) being stuffing into suits just seems more fitting if he's the one who did it. That's what makes his eventual fate so satisfying. Charlie can still be involved and have her character arc if she simply does... *something* independently of that to breathe life into the suits, which is what I always thought she did, thereby making her mistake, perhaps doubly so because she ends up tipping William off that he can totally go use the endos for his own BS and prolonging the nightmare. Still, this runs into the issue of how Charlie can even do that, since it does make more sense that she simply puts the bodies in proximity with the suits, because that's what happened to make her possess the Puppet. But at the same time, the Puppet is canonically weird and special and beyond the others in abilities, anyway, so I don't even know. I may not like this idea, but you explained it very well that it gives it more credit to me now.

[@hioman]

Shrodinger's story arc.

[@shui804]

There is no evidence for the kids plan being to stuff William in the springlock suit, after all they don't know scaring him would actually lead him to put the suit on since he feels powerful inside of it. After all they're spirits, ghosts. The most they could do is posses things around William, which is fruitless or possess him directly to torment him through visions and night terrors which then also explains why they chase after him and why he's running away from them.

[@damkylan3]

@@shui804 Yeah, there is. The fact that that was what they wanted to do to him while they were still animatronics. Keeping in mind that "evidence" =/= "proof" necessarily, I'd say that's a pretty decent reason to think that was their plan even as spirits. More to the point, though, the overall idea that his fate is more satisfying if he did the stuffing still holds true even if that wasn't their plan.

[@shui804]

@damkylan3 Honestly who did the stuffing holds no overall significance to the story, besides the fnaf 2 mini games specifically SHOWED us the kids were just lying around in the open and the PUPPET is the one putting any sort of animatronic part onto them. It doesn't make much sense with knowing that and having. Been shown that and the lack of proof of William actually doing the stuffing outside of a satisfying narrative conclusion or motivation.

[@damkylan3]

​@@shui804 Maybe not, but it does inherently raise questions about character, and considering how little of that we get in the games, it's intriguing to many. And maybe so, and perhaps that was the intention once, but Scott has been limiting the Puppet's role for a long time now and I'm not convinced of that anymore. Puppet doesn't exist in the novel trilogy retelling, William's motivations with remnant feel more cohesive with him doing the stuffing (though this could potentially go either way), there's the recreation in Help Wanted that clearly hints towards the killer doing the stuffing even if the details don't line up (and "Mimic witnessed the MCI" is still a prominent theory), and now we have the movie, which straight up tells us William did the stuffing. There's a small chance the sequel could contradict that, but I doubt it.

[@titanic13608]

maybe the reason Charlie “ is aware while the others are like animals” is because the puppet “died”(I’m guessing what breaks when a robot is in the rain is whatever holds it’s programming, what would be its mind, not the actual moving body )when it collapsed over her body, her soul/remnant transferred from her dead body into puppet’s technically functional but mindless body making her truly possess it, consciously controlling it as if it was her own body. When the mci children got stuffed it was into functioning animatronics so their soul/remnant fueled the animatronics’ into artificial intelligences into somewhat coming to life, making them a living version of the animatronics but with lingering influence from the children. She didn’t know they wouldn’t fully take over like she did making it her failure in giving life to them

[@titanic13608]

This logic was a way I thought explained why Charlie is aware and fully controlling the puppet, the classics act mostly like normal but can get overtaken by a supernatural influence, and circus baby is pretty much the opposite, being completely separated from Elizabeth while in sister location at least. But now that I tried to adapt it to the vid context, it stopped making sense either way

[@skreeran]

I feel like this also helps to explain the weird 1st Person cutscenes between nights at the original Freddy's location in Fnaf 2. The one where the puppet shows up in your face. Giving life required actually moving the bodies to the physical animatronics. The cutscenes could be showing Freddy's (Gabriel's) first moments of awareness after being given life.

[@IgnatiusJohnson]

Excellent video. I've never really considered whether it made sense for William to actually stuff the kids in the suits or not, at least for the classics. When it comes to the Funtimes, it makes sense that they are being stuffed in them (if they were) because they are designed to have that cavity in them, which in turns leads to the Glamrock Freddy cavity. So, Charlie actually being an active force, trying to give the kids peace and possibly shelter, as best she can, by stuffing them into the animatronic suits makes sense to me. And I can handwave, if necessary, the actual stuffing by her as she phases them through the suits or something. At this point, its a ghost story and ghosts can do whatever they need to for the story. You could even frame it from her view as her putting the souls in the suits and that correlates to their bodies also going into the suits. Post Charlie Murder and Post Crying Child Death, William doesn't know that the suits are alive yet or that he can make more Remnant by killing kids. He just has a need to take his anger out on children, like the psychopath/sociopath he is. Its only when the bodies disappear mysteriously and he sees the animatronics moving on their own, that he realizes there might be something here. And so he kills the second set of kids and stuffs those ones as well, and boom. More remnant. It's a vicious cycle.

[@ScapeVEVO]

Just reading this gave me chills when I imagined a scene depicting Charlie, in spirit form, being in this like, alternate spirit realm, and slowly like, taking a soul, and moving towards the character, but as we see her slowly push the soul into the character, it cuts to a directly paralleling scene of the puppet holding one of the corpses, obscured by darkness ofc, in the same pose as spirit Charlie, with the same framing as the other shot, inching closer and closer to the exposed endoskeleton of the corresponding animatronic, and ideally the character in the spirit realm is cartoonish while irl the robot is uncanny, and it keeps flickering back and forth between the two contrasting depictions of the same event, with droning music, and a faint pounding, that gets faster and louder as the body gets closer and closer, before we see the soul enter the character, with a final *oomph* of effort from Charlie, then the frame holds on her staring at the character coming to life, and then cuts back to what’s actually happening, same posing, same framing, no more music, just a creepy puppet staring at an animatronic suit, obscured by shadow, and the quiet, steady sound of liquid dripping onto the floor.

[@tl3143]

I love your theory of cassidy dying via springlock failiure, it really wraps everything up perfectly. And it really puts into perspective how fucked up and evil william is. Incredibly clever

[@jessielefey]

I... have never considered the notion of Cassidy getting springlocked before, but holy **** am I immediately adopting that into my headcanon now because *yes* that makes so much sense? Hell, ol' Billie might have done it on purpose as a first experiment in deliberate remnant production, after five dead kids end up with five weird animatronics(counting Charlie), anyone with half a brain and no morals might think "hey can I reproduce this myself?" Cassidy wouldn't just be the one he shouldn't've killed for revenge reasons, but also the one that leads to the Circus Baby level factory farming of dead kids that ends up destroying the Afton Family, ruining his legacy in a way that, quite frankly, just being a serial child murderer in the 80's could've never had real consequences for. As opposed to how you put it, which is also valid because again... not a timeline video. Cause and effect is too muddled at this point in the timeline; the only person who would know is William and he's never been the type to monologue. I cannot wait for the VHS video version of this now tho. Poor Cassidy. We just find new ways to torture that poor kid.

[@tensiahuddleston9983]

Old Billie!! Heh, I like that. 😂 More than likely, you're right. He is the type to "experiment" with things he shouldn't..

[@LeaveMeAlone3omgIgotloggedouta]

I agree, I’m excited for the VHS tape too!

[@Imperial_Lizardgirl]

​@@tensiahuddleston9983 Billiam Appleton... like this variant myself.

[@tensiahuddleston9983]

@@Imperial_Lizardgirl I have been calling him , Billie, Billie, Banana-nana Fo Filly, myself!🤣😆

[@Imperial_Lizardgirl]

@@tensiahuddleston9983 😆👍

[@smashers6971]

Also another point towards Charlie stuffing the kids is that we know what happened when William killed kids in the fnaf 2 location he just spread the bodies around the restaurant without even trying to hide them meaning that he probably did something similar to what happened in the original Freddy’s location (just leaving them in the safe room without even trying to hide them). Also you bring up Afton still owning the fazbear franchise by the events of the MCI I feel he had a lower position after the controversy surrounding him (He committed 6 acts of murder at the time but there wasn’t enough evidence to prove that he did them, it was only after Elizabeth’s death and the closure of Circus Babies that he was finally kicked out of the company since it was something that he was directly responsible for even if it wasn’t a murder on his part.

[@doubletsquid5862]

But the thing is William DID hide the DCI’s bodies. He didn’t just leave the bodies around the location to be found, that would completely change Fnaf 2’s story and contradict it. I’ve already made two theories about why he definitely did and theres no real way he could’ve just left the bodies. Despite what people think, the DCI isn’t at all something that can be used to argue against WillStuffed.

[@sparklingbee_]

Finally a theory that gives DCI kids a purpose, not even mentioning how everything else in this theory is just perfect. Amazing video thank you so much for such a banger

[@哲二川上]

DCI?

[@Takejiro24]

​@@哲二川上Dead Children Incident. The second set of murders seen in the SAVE THEM minigame in FNAF 2.

[@sparklingbee_]

@@哲二川上 dead children incident, the second time William killed five kids, we see this incident in fnaf2 minigame

[@minervaknox7042]

A possible way to look at Golden Freddy appearing on their own in the give life minigame is that spirit attached themself to Golden Freddy/Fredbear when they died. Springbonnie being in the saferoom would most likely mean that Freadbear would be in there too, which would mean that the vengeful spirit (possibly) could possess the suit on their own, like Charlie did the Puppet. It could also be an explanation for why they have more supernatural abilities compared to the other MCI kids (again more similar to Charlie) because they have more of their own remnant perhaps? Edit: I should have watched to the end. Even better way to look at it with the theming.

[@GendoRokabundi]

It's definitely implied that the MCI occurred over time. The first 3 went under the radar, likely because of how William chose the victims. People realized that they were missing, but didn't realize that they went missing at Freddy's. People only ever looked at the camera footage AFTER the last two were noticed. So, Afton lured kids to the safe room and killed them, likely hiding them there, and using the fact that he was still (one of) the owner(s) at the time to keep people out of it. He would likely wait until after hours to move the bodies, but could do so in ways that made it less obvious (i.e. trash bags, etc). They might not even run the cameras at night. That makes either puppet or william stuffing a lot easier. The vengeful spirit was springlock'ed is something I have believed for a while. Getting stuffed 'alive' being the one 'he should not have killed' etc. So probably what occurred was that Cassidy was one of the pair of children that were lured to the back. Maybe Afton didn't even intend to lure Cassidy, they just followed the other kid that wouldn't have been 'noticed' for at least a little while. Also, dealing with two kids at once was perhaps a bit more difficult than Afton was prepared for, the suit limiting mobility. So, putting one kid into the spring fredbear suit takes care of them, gives him time with the other kid, without one of them crying out or running away, etc. That adds an extra layer to "the one you should not have killed" because Cassidy, like Dante from Clerks, wasn't even supposed to be there. He had targeted vulnerable kids to buy himself time (which he would continue to do in situations like Rory in Dittophobia). Comparing him to Dexter, Cassidy didn't 'fit the code', but had to be dealt with anyway. Follow Me doesn't show Golden Freddy's destruction, but also doesn't show it in the safe room. Likely, Golden Freddy would have been the first one that Afton dismantled (since it would just be sitting in the safe room, and wouldn't need to be lured). Whatever he did in dismantling (or getting rid of) the Golden Freddy is what allowed the spirit to latch onto him when he's springtrapped. That's why the vengeful spirit (whether you call it Cassidy or Andrew) is still with him in Custom Night, and says "no matter how many times they try to burn us", implying they were there for FNAF3 already. So I don't know if William stuffed the kids after hours, or the puppet did, but Afton was likely the only person in the building after hours, and they may not have even had after hours security. The cameras throughout the series are in response to both the MCI and the animatronics beginning to move around. There were clearly cameras (which is how he was eventually caught), but they were either installed midway through the MCI, or they were mostly just for daytime purposes of catching any employee or customer theft, or legal liability in case someone sued, etc. Similarly, if the puppet stuffed the kids, Afton would be the only one that might see it happen, and he would likely let it happen out of curiosity, not to mention considering it a favor of making disposing of the bodies easier. Heck, the idea of springlock'ing Cassidy might actually have come from seeing what the Puppet did.

[@minedantaken1684]

One gripe with the whole argument. The cameras must run at night, that's literally the gameplay

[@GendoRokabundi]

@@minedantaken1684 but that takes place much later in the timeline. The MCI might be the exact reason that a night guard and constant camera surveillance was implemented. We never see a pre-FNAF2 security office in operation. All gameplay takes place after the MCI has already occurred (with the possible exception of parts of FNAF4 but that isn’t in a Freddy’s or a security job). Similar to the creation of the toys with facial recognition, the 24/7 recordings might have been implemented as a way of reassuring people after the MCI/preventing recurrences.

[@minedantaken1684]

@@GendoRokabundi that's too many maybes for me

[@charleswolfe8896]

Then you chose the wrong franchise to be a fan of.

[@violetnocte]

@@minedantaken1684that’s FNaF theorizing, half of what we “know,” we don’t actually know. We don’t even technically know Cassette Man is Henry or that Pizza Sim’s protagonist is Mike Heck, the game that was supposed to wrap everything up has Midnight Motorist, the most confusing and heavily debated mini game in FNaF with the highest amount of different interpretations

[@the_godbodor7026]

Honestly I never thought about how the wording and other mini-scenes make the Puppet's music box not part of its original function. Security Puppet shows the box itself was, but the music was never a factor. So them putting a music box to keep it from going rogue would make a lot of sense

[@thunderstudent]

It should be noted that it's commonly accepted that there are two spirits inside Golden Freddy/Fredbear. One being the Crying Child and the other Cassidy. But Cassidy is the more dominant of the two because she died more horrificly than C.C. So not only does she have to stare at the suit that got her killed *for decades* but she also has to be roommates with the son of the guy who killed her trying to bring his kid back and is probably pissed that she's stuck with the one who pretty much started this entire series of events and probably just wants his dad to stop killing. If I was Cassidy in this situation, I would be *beyond* pissed! All because all is Hell in the Afton family.

[@Takejiro24]

I appreciate that reference in the last line.

[@aedaniammx7559]

I think the reason Cassidy is ‘more in control’ is because they were actually stuffed into the suit, since the crying child was just bitten and likely soon removed, and this is a VERY fair point I’d be pissed too

[@rasmushopland5001]

😂

[@rasmushopland5001]

😂

[@bartoszhallay6576]

Uhh....And what evidence is there to back up this claim? I'n not saying it's impossible, just what evidence is there?

[@CassiusStelar]

ya gotta remember. Both book Charlie and game Charlie dies at the age of *3.* She is a traumatized toddler who may be smarter than the other kids because of *how* she posessed her animatronic, but she was still never taught a lot of basic things because she simply couldnt understand them when she was alive *of course* she would stuff the other kids. ... typing this out makes me feel bad, I commend Scott for always leaving the murders in 8 bit form and never expanding on them past that... its actually very respectful

[@siresquawks]

While I agree with the sentiment, we don't know game charlie's age when she dies, obviously she's young either way though.

[@CassiusStelar]

@@siresquawks we don't? Lemme absorb this... Autism brain, y'know? Probably picked that tidbit up from another theory channel without realizing.

[@colleagueriley860]

could the puppet even physically stuff the kids? The puppet would also need to clean up the mess, could the puppet do that? This would also take away from the tragedy and horror of the kids being trapped in the suits that entertain other kids are we to believe it was the puppet that caused all that? Why do you believe the puppet stuffed the kids? Because you're taking a metaphorical minigame seriously. But at the same time, the video don't take another metaphorical game which actually tries to push the William stuff theory seriously at all?

[@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527]

@@colleagueriley860The Puppet is canonically strong enough to kill a grown man, I don’t think it’s a stretch for it to be strong enough to carry around children. Phone guy says in FNAF 1 that if someone gets killed in the restaurant then Fazbear Entertainment will bleach the whole restaurant. Lastly IIRC the whole point of FNAF AR is that you’re being deceived, manipulated, and brainwashed. Nothing is supposed to be literal. There is no indication that the title is “Give Gifts, Give Life” isn’t meant to be literal.

[@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527]

@@colleagueriley860Also it doesn’t take away from the tragedy since Will was still murdering kids in a place where they’re supposed to be safe and have fun, especially if you believe Will deliberately killed them knowing that somehow they would end up haunting the animatronics (as Squaks said) even if he didn’t know how yet.

[@porcelainchips6061]

Cruel To The Last Victim - This idea fits in with so many narrative concepts floating around, it would make a lot of other things click into space. In UCN High School Days details all these terrible ways Chica lures her victims, but then she reflects on how at some point she knows she went too far. Golden Boi twitching, like Afton in Springtrap, also then connects better; that's exactly the pose Afton was initially in immediately after the springlocks went off (and he didn't die right away). It would easily fit with "the one should not have killed" by looking at it as the one he didn't JUST kill, but had tortured in some way. I keep circling back to Dreadbear, but I'm still disturbed over how Steel Wool really wanted to make a mini game about a character that is new to the series being tortured by the player in a first-person sequence. I really wonder if "dread bear" isn't real... But the Dread is real, the events are real and it happened to a yellow bear in a bunker without the "funny" halloween theme context.

[@myst1que_mach1ne]

Something that really disturbs me about the idea of Cassidy being springlocked is the fact that she's a little kid. That suit wasn't made to be worn by kids, it was made to be worn by adult performers. She would've been shredded in that suit at her size. Worse than William. I always questioned why Cassidy in particular was so compelled to torture him if she was just one of the MCI kids, but her being springlocked is a perfectly possible and valid reason for her to be so vengeful. It makes the implications of the UCN cutscene much more horrific.

[@justice8718]

​@@myst1que_mach1ne "the one you shouldn't have killed" is a boy. And literally everything about Springtrap indicates that he isn't possesed by William Afton before and after fnaf3. The fnaf3 tapes reveal that both William and Phone Guy were both alive when Springtrap was roaming around and being a danger to employees and staff members till they literally locked him away. In fnaf6, Scraptrap was literally too stupid, unrecognizable (for Elizabeth especially), and too poorly made (look at badly designed body) to be William Afton. Scraptrap also had a shadow bonnie form as shadow Springtrap (lacking William's eyes, his soul) to indicate he is the shadow animatronic we've seen in fnaf2. Also, fnaf3 is proof that William wasn't collecting remnent from the animatronics there to create the funtimes, because he died at the same night he dissembled them. Meaning this minigame took after the FunTimes were made or someone else took the remnants of the MCi suits and used them for the Funtime Animatronics.

[@JoblessJimmy]

​@@justice8718what in god's name are you smoking??? Scraptrap is titled "Afton" in UCN

[@justice8718]

@@JoblessJimmy And Glitchtrap isn't the real William Afton, so we don't trust the fakest looking "Afton" in the lore either.

[@JoblessJimmy]

@@justice8718 what the fuck does that have to do with you saying springtrap isnt possessed by William. If not him then who. Which would be a hard answer to give because every other answer than him possessing Springtrap is both weak narratively and lore wise

[@negativeiqpoints396]

One thing that COULD work for afton stuffing is that he could've been the nightwatchman and put the kid bodies in the suits at night. Being the owner he could've told everyone to go home early or found a way to keep people out of the saferoom (though that'd made him sus). But overall the puppet stuffing just makes more sense and life easier

[@astrid9920]

This video is really really good, the part at 44:00 especially. It makes the DCI important, gives more characterization to Charlie, Gabriel, and William, and explains the Funtimes in a satisying way. Also the cut from saying William wanting to recreate it under complet control to Elizabeth and Baby was SO FUCKIN GOOD!!

[@Spawnmatism]

PuppetStuffed is honestly way more compelling than WillStuffed. It gives a reason for Charlie to exist, and it's just the best clean-cut solution to what we have. Usually the first interpretation is the right interpretation. WillStuffed on the other hand has to dance around the statements and events we literally see in the games in order to fuel their theory. While also making Charlie insignificant to the lore. Also loved your take on Cassidy being the only one stuffed, very interesting.

[@cato3277]

I never noticed til now how silly fnaf theory naming conventions are. It makes sense but WillStuffed just makes me giggle

[@halfaxle]

Yeah FNAF theory names are always a lil ridiculous Not to mention kinda hard to keep track of

[@justice8718]

William killing Charlie and the MCi kids doesn't make sense either because he was in a fur suit and the MCI killer always murdered them without a costume on him or besides him.

[@jetperson3billion439]

@@justice8718 i’ve seen you on like 3 different videos commenting outrageous stuff like this with no evidence to your claims, do you have any?

[@justice8718]

@@jetperson3billion439 You fnaf fans always ignore all of the references I used with the most devious excuses, which also tells me a lot about your relationship with the living truth himself. The man upstairs.

[@shaelynmartin1996]

Maybe a touch unrelated, but something that is kind of interesting is how the movie handles this. In the movie, it's blatantly stated that William is the one who stuffs the kids. However, the movie also seems to be doing it's absolute best to only use incorrect theories and/or rumors from the fanbase (Such as a Sparky the Dog animatronic being seen in the back room in one shot, Mike not being related to Afton, Vanessa being related to Afton/Elizabeth stand-in not being chomped by Baby, William not dying until WELL after the pizzeria closes, the movie itself taking place in 2003, etc). Which kind of tells me that Scott did his best to jam pack the movie full of incorrect things (From the game) so that fans can't do what they did with the books (That he told us all not to do, which was blatantly use the books to prove something from the games, as you pointed out in the video). To me, it's like he's doubling down on that. The fact that the movie is more similar to the Silver Eyes than the games tells me that William stuffing the kids in the suits should no longer be a point of contention. He didn't do it in the games. Ironically, the movie (Just like the books) doesn't have a Puppet/Charlie character. Which helps further prove your point!

[@Fredfazbear1983]

Not really, those things are used to tell a coherent story that doesn’t rely on the audience playing through 8 games to understand it

[@violetnocte]

Small correction: the movie doesn't *show* the puppet, but in the credits, there's a music box playing "My Grandfather's Clock" like in FNaF 2, implying the puppet exists in some capacity in-universe Not saying anything else is wrong, just this one minor detail

[@Sopsy_Hallow]

one thing about stuffing that regardless of who did it i find somewhat noteable is that the bodies have to have been removed at some point, a lot of people just ignore that or even say that the bodies are still there but... the animatronics get regular maintenance and had a full on redesign at some point (from withereds to classics) and no matter how you put it, theres no shot that bodies would still be inside of the suits after that personally what makes most sense to me is that william wouldve temporarily hid the bodies in unused suits and then dumped them out after the closing shift when he wouldnt be noticed carrying around suspicious bags of children idk if you touch up on that subject since its a very long video that i'll have to watch later, i just thought id mention it since i feel like its very overlooked

[@siresquawks]

Yeah I mention it once towards the end

[@Markcrazeer]

knowing fazbear entertainment. they found the bodies during the next maintinance, just kept them there doing their best to cover up as much as possible only taking more drastic measures once the parents started complaining about the smell and moucous.

[@Sopsy_Hallow]

@@Markcrazeer idk, seems cartoonish as hell. fazbear is evil, but a corporate apathy type evil, not as in "every person who works here is corrupted and will leave dead people inside suits for shits and giggles" type evil. leaving them in there serves no good for the company and not to mention that every maintenance guy would need to be in on the plot or somehow silenced no way

[@alpacalover0]

@@Sopsy_HallowThey probably found the bodies in there, and in their apathetic yet precautious fashion, likely went ahead and had the bodies incinerated out of a mixture of respect and a desire to tie up the loose ends.

[@tadeocaputo2036]

​@@Sopsy_Hallow VIP emergency exit....

[@kyubbikcat2281]

I think the main question here is WHY ARE WE USING THE BOOK TRILOGY TO SOLVE THE GAME LORE?

[@smt64productions40]

I think because people think “Books is part of FNaF series, let’s use it”

[@DarthFhenix55]

That's an actual common practice in the industry. It's really convenient to solve your plot holes to make a novel explaining them and expanding the lore.

[@skyariakerti-attfield7847]

I personally think the books should be hints; they're the same canon but not the same timeline, so there will be parallels. but game canon/lore should always be above book canon/lore when solving the games, yk?

[@autumnyuki3744]

If you have a FNAF book at home or something go to the back cover inside the book and it says that the books are not of the same universe in the games but they are something to help you get answers Or something like that So much of the things that we commonly know are things that we theorized from the books such as William afton's name We guessed his name before sister location because of the books We got better looks into the characters motivations and how they interacted with each other and what they were like through the silver eye trilogy parallels We even got the mimic as well as stuff for Gregory and parallels for cc and Cassidy from the books You'd have no idea unless you read the books but there are a few characters in the books that parallel Mike and help us get a better understanding of him Like literally there was this one character who liked chewing watermelon gum like- a lot and he was a bully I think it was from step closer and we see from the survival logbook which we know is owned by Mike that when he's asked what habits he would like to break he says excessively chewing gum Now we have multiple stories of items being cursed most likely due to ghost but that may not be canon to the game verse We literally learned the definition of revenant and what exactly it does because of the books We're FNAF fans we take what we can get Give us an inch we run a mile

[@Hex.A.Decimal]

I am on board with Puppetstuff, but to be fair the math is a touch wonky either way. Even Henry seems genuinely confused by how William managed to pull some of his stunts off. Great video, as always, my guy. 55 minutes of quality content!

[@robxholicfoxyfan8552]

I do think that Susie and Jeremy possessing Chica and Bon ie respectively before Gabriel makes sense because of how it's also somewhat implied in FNAF 2 that Gabriel in Freddy sees Chica and Bonnie already active in one of the dream sequences. It also may match with Fritz being second to last, especially due to the theming of Foxy. I think that Foxy GoGoGo shows that William is perhaps flaunting the children's deaths to Foxy as a symbolic revenge since Micheal killed the Crying Child with the Foxy mask, no matter if William was a good parent or not even beforehand. And it would make sense that Fritz, the Foxy equivalent and soul, would be more tuned in with seeing through the disguise. Sure, Phone guy says Foxy and the others were equipped with the same Facial recognition and that Foxy was wonky, but if he is messed up how is his vision improved, soul or not, considering the animatronic programming has some part in how the possessed ones behave? Not saying Fritz is very aware like Charlie, Elizabeth, William, Mike, or even Cassidy/Crying Child, but the enhanced abilities have always seemed bizarre. Also, Cassidy being last would make sense as Fredbear's suit is shown last no matter what order you play Give Gifts, Give Life in. Also, considering the Mimic program is used in Security Breach to make stories and make the Pizzaplex's AI more fluid and advanced, I suspect that Jeremy from Comedy Bot's story is perhaps a close enough retelling of MCI Jeremy. We know Susie was killed after her dog died and was sad playing an arcade machine, and Phantom Chica is in the arcade machine, and died first. Jeremy dying next and being abandoned by his family seems like a similar issue of familial loss, abuse, or neglect. Gabriel and Fritz I don't think we have answers for specifically their stories, but Cassidy and her equivalents Andrew and the AR machine girl in one of the Tales books seems to come from a broken home, with the AR machine hinting at an alcoholic in the home, and Andrew mentioning he had no good memories of loved ones. So if Gabriel and Fritz have similar family troubles it would make sense why Afton would target them when one of his kids died. He has a twisted sense of love in the Silver Eyes, wanting love through living with the animatronics in Springbonnie and calling them his family. And being obsessed with Charliebot. Even if Afton didn't ever appreciate his family, it does seem his version of family that he wants is warped severely, so targeting children of similarly sad family issues would make sense. He does say Susie's dog isn't really dead to lure her in, but since she is the first to die in the MCI it's hard to know if he figured out Charlie's possession or not while saying this or if he believed in making an immortal family for himself despite not intentionally giving Susie or any other MCI victim life. But when in Silver Eyes he does figure it out and live for years with the children in disguise, it's kind of clear that the family he had before, if even canon to the books at all during this point besides Elizabeth, he didn't value as much as the kids he killed if you could consider what he did to them any form of actual value.

[@voidcanary4180]

In Henry's speech, he says of the puppet "you, who carried others," or something, don't remember the exact quote. This actually doesn't make sense to be talking about a small child, it only fits if Henry is talking about the puppets actions, not the little girl. (Unless Charlie was much older than a toddler) It also stands to reason that a father would understand why his child would do something others might see as a huge mistake. That's always bothered me, so thank you Squawk for coming up with an answer for me lol

[@toucansfull]

Even on record, I've started really believing the 'Cassidy died by springlock' theory- it just makes too much sense. It even has a book parallel - William Afton stuffs a living Carlton in a springlock suit and leaves him to trigger it and die. He's WILLING to do something like that. Puppetstuffed is and always has been my personal theory (being one I've held on to since I first saw Give Gifts Give Life way back in 2014), and I the only nitpick I make with the present theory is... not even about Puppetstuffed. Why don't we see Golden Freddy in the safe room during William's death? Why doesn't Fazbear Frights find it when they break down the safe room and find Springtrap? Little things that make you go 'Hm, odd. There's gotta be some explanation' because it's so minute. Great theory!

[@Takejiro24]

I thought we did see Golden Freddy in the safe room during William's death. Or, at least, their spirit. All 5 spirits are there and none of them had the black body color that the Puppet had during Happiest Day.

[@garry_the_larry5118]

Only just started the video but HOLY HELL 53 MINUTES!!!

[@marzemarcel9529]

I know right!! Excitinggg!!!😁😁

[@Takejiro24]

Gotta break out the popcorn for this one 🍿

[@pokemnstar]

LOVE the idea of cassidy dying via springlock failure!! that’s by far the most intriguing cause of her drive for revenge that i’ve heard

[@chuckidalucki1967]

The way i see it, William stuffed the kids and then the Puppet later used her supernatural mumbo jumbo to bind their spirits into the animatronics, thus giving the machines life. Thats why whenever you see Foxy and his gaping holes in his chest and there's no child sludge in there, it can be explained by the soul still being there even though the body was cleaned out.

[@colleagueriley860]

Yea, it takes away from the tragedy and horror if the puppet stuffed them

[@Sovralover]

I absolutely love the idea the Cassidy was a springlock failure. It truly does fit so well both narratively and logistically. Though, I wish there could be a better reasoning as to why they get stuffed into the sprinlock suit other than "for sh*ts and giggles." Even if it would kind of fit William’s whole sadistic character. To anyone who’d like to give an answer I’m all ears.

[@Sovralover]

I just got a cool idea. Maybe in the scenario, while all the children are being slaughtered, Cassidy with nothing else to do tries to hide in the golden animatronic suit. It also fits narratively. Cassidy could be the last one murdered. They unknowingly hide in the suit thinking it will help. The same thing William will do during his springlock failure. Maybe the suit could be set off by her or by some blood splatter(that’s a bit too much). Personally I think everything just fits so well. An old suit that ties to William’s past, it goes off because it’s old and unstable, all the murdered kids are there, William is there, Cassidy hides in it thinking it will help, the suit goes off and kills them slowly. It just fits so well, then tying in to William’s eventual death. Both died in those suits, twitching, in agony, and restless. What do you think?

[@LeaveMeAlone3omgIgotloggedouta]

I think she was spring-locked because she was most likely the last MCI victim so William just decided to spring-lock her out of curiosity.

[@bubbleshock14]

I love this theory. I've never really considered an alternative to Will stuffed before because it didn't seem to matter either way, the results are the same. But you're right that Puppet stuffed makes her arc better, and considering we are literally shown it in FNAF 2 it's hard to argue. I will say that in pizza party specifically I think Glitchtrap stuffed is better. That end cutscene is one of the creepiest moments in the series for me, showing William kill a kid, stuff their body in a suit, force them to play a song, then dance around to that song. But as pizza party is so inaccurate to what we know of the MCI anyway, I think that that can co exist with puppet stuffed for the real event.

[@SomeonesBestFriend11_SBF]

What I believe is that William stuffed thr bodies but Puppet/Charlie tethered the souls to the animatronics , because why would Charlie's child mind think of actually stuffing the bpfoes? I mean. she was never stuffed.

[@CorvoMage]

Cassidy becoming the vengeful spirit because William springlocked them is a crazy idea that explains why they are so pissed at him more than any other kid

[@Deo_ei]

Is the puppet getting slower every time she gives life in the mini game? as if she is giving up some of her power to do so. This would help push the 'giving a bit of remnant to animate them instead of all to resurrect one' idea.

[@ZyraZain8243]

Just thought I'd say that a lot of ideas can just get absorbed without you realizing it. I didn't actually realize that I had somehow headcanoned Will-Stuffing + Charlie being the one that actually moved their spirits to the animatronics (how did puppet get Charlie's spirit if there wasn't a different spirit around to move her to the puppet? Uhh... Henry's love did it, cuz the puppet was meant to protect her?? I honestly don't have an actual answer). But that's the idea I just had to shake off and ask "where did I even GET that from?" (I choose to blame my original binge of Game Theory videos being too much, too fast, and likely too late at night) I am newer to FNAF and its lore, but it still seems like something that I should have had a better hold on by now. Anyway, thanks for the much more solid Puppet-Stuffed explanation, Squawks.

[@gaminganimators7000]

Do you think the Charlie Trilogy in-lore are books? That would explain Glitchtrap's *flamboyance* because book William is extremely flamboyant and he's just happy to be here while game William is not having a good time. Maybe Glitchtrap accessed the internet and copied the books? Idk, it's just a thought

[@thebreadbunny1863]

The novels are too accurate on how remnant works for anything fazent would know. Also, afton is clearly just as flamboyant in the game line tbh

[@jpcsdutra]

I've given this some thought to this before myself and a couple of things bother me. Because I think the "stuffing" as an act, is kind of a paradox. It is a metaphor when Puppet does it, but at some point, William has had to physically have done it too, but not in the way we think he does it. If the Puppet is recorded moving the animatronics around, this brings a FACTUAL general knowledge to the world of these hauntings. This isn't something we see in canon. Everyone treats is as urban legends except for those directly involved with it. "taking a spirit and shoving it into a suit" is something that can be completely invisible and just happen, it doesn't require many moving parts and keeps supernatural element present. This in fact makes more sense than the literal shoving to make the kids possess the suits, because Charlie herself wasn't stuffed into the Puppet, she was just "transfered" into it. The problem with that then becomes twofold. We know the suits have been bloodied and that the bodies were never found. If William left the bodies out in the open, they would have been found. As much as the back room would be "off limits" in a police investigation, both the police and the other workers would have had access to it. So William, at some point, has to have removed them from the room somehow. And my personal issue with the "literal stuffing" is that the suits are no longer the springlock variety. They are not meant to have enough inside space for a body to hide. If you say "it's just the suit and not the endo" this means that now there's no metal to hold on to their agony or remnant in a meaninful way. If anything we know the suits tear away and get destroyed and burned a lot more severely than the endos do. Not only that, we also know that the originals were scrapped for parts many times and the bodies were never found inside of them, meaning they would have to have been removed at some point too, so either way William or the Puppet got rid of the bodies at one point or another, and it doesn't make sense for the Puppet to get rid of them. I think the most elegant solution for this thing to work at all is that the Puppet is what anchors the spirits to the suits and that William, somehow, used the suits or at least part of the suits (while they were in parts and services or whatever else) to move them out of the restaurant in a more discrete manner given that the bodies are never found. (And this also solidifies him having a way to experiment with remnant in a way if the whole soul metal thing isn't just stuck in the restaurant forever)

[@azimuddin1890]

The Mario-nette: Give gifts - unsuccessful Give life - unsuccessful Give Mac and cheese - You win!

[@NES-Rovys]

I like how this actually makes dci an event with some significance rather than being just a random second mci, or even just being retconned into representing mci

[@4DAT4]

Is there a reason for assuming that the full MCI happened on the same day? I know that the newspaper says that two children were lured in one instance, but the later phrasing of "Five children now linked to the incident..." would suggest that other children needed to be linked to the incident. Meaning that it wasn't an intuitive idea that the other missing children were connected to the incident, which feels weird if the other three disappeared on the same day and location. Frankly disappearances from the same place within the month would likely be looked at with suspicion. Which could be why Susie was the first and saw everything (if it was spread out). Then perhaps the luring of two children was what got William caught (one child, especially in the 80's, could be blamed on a runaway, especially if William targeted troubled children, like one that recently lost a dog). Maybe he didn't intend for the second child to follow and panicked. It was less clean and thus Golden Freddy. Sorry that the end got fan-fictiony, but after explaining the question that was were my brain went.

[@Takejiro24]

Only thing I can think of that would suggest the MCI happened on the same day (or that the incidents happened very closely to each other) is "Foxy Go, Go, Go!"

[@Wizardjones69]

​@@Takejiro24foxy gogogogo is a metaphore from the mci, the minigame is just to show who killed them and many kids where killed, but the events of the minigame like foxy going there is not canon

[@colleagueriley860]

@@Wizardjones69 yea, people don't get that the minigames are metaphors 💀

[@Wizardjones69]

@@colleagueriley860 like,if foxy can literally get out of pirate cove to enter the bathroom to the safe room and see these kids, im pretty sure that into the pit kinda tries to connect foxy go go go with kids murdered in a party room (possibly the room that foxy goes)

[@colleagueriley860]

@@Wizardjones69 The ballpit? Eh, I don't really like to treat the books, especially the goosebumps fanfact books as canon.

[@syweb2]

Cool video. I have a _lot_ of things to say as I watch: 3:45 Do note that Pizza Party is likely the _in-universe intended ending_ made by Fazbear Entertainment, as Glitchtrap doesn't need to be assembled or even have any tapes collected at all for the player to be able to play Pizza Party, suggesting that it is not created by Malhare/Glitchtrap (due to it being unable to act and/or fully manifest) and thus is an intended part of the game. This is also supported by Hand Unit having unique "this is the end of the game, please don't look around for more" speech. That would also show that Malhare copied the model and animations of SpringBonnieMan from that ending specifically for use as its avatar instead of creating a brand new model, which feels pretty on-brand for a Mimic1 program. TLDR: Mimic didn't make Pizza Party, and was instead using it as part of the training data. I guess this is a great reminder to us that all theorists, and not just Matpat, are prone to their biases and preconceived notions. 13:45 Given some of the AR emails and Help Wanted's "Nothing was proven in a court of law", it seems like William might have retained company ownership longer than Henry. Plus, the Toys have a suspiciously similar aesthetic and technology to the Funtimes, so it's possible William and/or Afton Robotics are the ones who financed the 1987 location in the first place. 24:40 The logbook seems to imply that 1993 was Mike's _first_ Freddy's job (due to his motivation apparently being free pizza vouchers), but that he would continue to use the logbook afterward, hence his descriptions and drawings of things that would happen afterward. 25:43 I do believe that Sister Location happens after FNaF 1, but not because of the Ultimate Guide. See my above note. 25:55 _An idea,_ not necessarily a direct look. 29:00 The narrative satisfaction in WillStuffed comes from the _animatronics themselves_ and their choice of murder method in the first two games - stuffing their victims into animatronic suits. This comes across as them paying unto the perceived danger what has been done to them, and the irony of it only works if their murderer is the one who stuffed them into the suits. This particular plot point seems to have been lost a little bit in FNaF 3 onward, but is still key to our understanding of their motivations. 33:38 The one thing I appreciate about the fourth closet is this one line that ties into this idea perfectly: "The spirit follows the flesh, then, and also the pain". 36:25 His specific line is "I could make myself... sleep, but not yet," implying he _wants to,_ but knows that it would be irresponsible and that he has stuff he needs to do _first._ 50:50 WillStuffed doesn't have to mean that GGGL is a failed Happiest Day. My personal interpretation of GGGL under WillStuffed is that the animatronics are technically already haunted, but only due to loose association and with very little control over their new vessels, and the puppet would need to properly bind the spirits in some way to allow them to properly control them; as I understand it, there is a scene in The Silver Eyes where the animatronics were early in their possession and only capable of incoherently twitching and shorting out that inspired this interpretation, but I might not be remembering correctly.

[@joshuavis2736]

Obviously william just stealthily dragged the dead kids in front of the crowd to stuff them in the animatronics

[@sayvionwashington1939]

His Sneak stat was 100. He carried their bleeding convulsing bodies on his shoulder.

[@CrunchyCrumbles]

truly a heartfelt "bye" on this one

[@paulbritt19]

YES! This is amazing! This is the most satisfying answer to how Cassidy died, took my breathe away truly! Thank you Sire!! Was WORTH THE WAIT

[@A_random_funeral_consultant]

I stand by the belief that people have a ton of things wrong with the lore and it may be completely different to how it has been shown or understood so far, it makes me love videos like this that are different or cover unique topics/plotholes Those Fnaf 2 cutscenes have always been sort of ignored and suspicious after all

[@santiagocanalessertzen6309]

"It's a very William Afton thing to see for shits and jiggles what happens when a kid gets springlocked." Best line of the video 32:28

[@alwombat7]

Makes it poetic that William studying Charlie resulted in circus baby incident with Elizabeth.

[@captainapac]

The past few years, not many theories have just “clicked” in my head. Then I watched this one. It just makes a lot of sense! Incredible job!!

[@daviddimitrov3696]

I never quite thought of this.. this actually makes sense. Also thanks for showing that the books aren't canon to the games

[@solacehollow6062]

Just as well put together, if not better than dual process theory's explanation, with less jumps, and as narratively satisfying!

[@damkylan3]

49:00 Yeah, I'm in the "week prior" camp, specifically when the current dayshift dude was working the night shift. Which... unless I missed a memo, is definitely still hinted to be William, because our week is the last one of the establishment, right? So we got a guy who would be wandering around those nights with a security badge, and who complained about the animatronics trying to kick his ass the week prior, and who just vanishes during the police investigation so that his position becomes "available". Either because they nailed him or he cut and run. All that on top of the fact that Phone Guy mentions weird rumors and something "tragic" going on around about the establishment on Night 3, so something happened that had already become public knowledge before the police got involved. Most likely word spreading about missing children. And after the MCI, everyone would naturally believe it's happening again. See, I actually entertain the idea that FazEnt stepped in this time and tried to cover shit up. Because Phone Guy goes out of his way to mention "FazEnt denies any wrongdoing", which in writing terms, tends to mean "oh, yeah, they totally pulled some BS". My usual headcanon for what led to the "oh noes, someone used the suit" moment is that the police found one of those sealed off backrooms, the only place where a Spring Bonnie (or whichever it was) would even be, and it was either covered in blood or just very noticeably moved. But hell, why not, maybe FazEnt just straight up moved the bodies back there. Would certainly be a good reason for Phone Guy to be so stressed, and possibly explain the annoyingly vague "now none of them are acting right" line, in a "now we know why this is happening" kinda way, as opposed to "these deaths just happened". Modern FNAF has basically established these guys are actually just evil lol, and willing to do literally anything to protect business, especially cover up children's deaths. Regardless if that happened or not, I think the week prior just makes more sense with all available info, before we even get into the Toys being weird and aggressive from Night 1. And damn it, I'm not rolling with tampered facial recognition scanners. I'm just not. lol

[@Down4the123]

This is the first time I've ever heard of the spring locked Cassidy theory, I think this / puppet stuff theory is amazing and I'm taking it as canon

[@mylam658]

Really good video, I love how you always put characterization in mind when crafting these.

[@Ctsone2]

This is a pretty cool theory video that makes a lot of sense, I especially like your idea about golden Freddy like that is so sick

[@FTZPLTC]

Just gonna say it: maybe Golden Freddy gets more powers than the other kids because the other kids weren't baptised. ... OK, I'm kidding about that, but still, the thing about whether certain victims made "mistakes" has pretty troubling implications. Like, if the difference between getting Golden Freddy powers and not getting them is whether you were horribly murdered while looking for your dead dog rather than dying in an accident... that to me doesn't imply that there's any justice or morality at play there. It just makes the "decision" being made by the universe seem weird, cruel, callous, arbitrary, to the point where chaos would be more comforting. I never thought I'd say these words, but the cosmology of the FNAF universe might be a bit of a mess.

[@siresquawks]

I mean this a series where the good ending is wheee everyone fucking dies.

[@FTZPLTC]

@@siresquawks - Yeah, but I dunno, I've seen media where everyone dies and it's actively trying to make a point about the futility of their endeavour or the callousness/cruelty of nature. But... Scott's a Christian, it's legit weird to me that his fictional afterlife seems to be Oops All Purgatories.

[@ZyraZain8243]

As someone familiar with folklore where plenty of monsters are explained as coming from the souls of unbaptized children (the message being, "hey parents, baptize your kids early so this doesn't happen if they die young in our high infant-mortality world before germ-theory and hand washing"). I'd actually argue that Golden Freddy is more likely to be the unbaptized child since he's got more supernatural power.

[@LeaveMeAlone3omgIgotloggedouta]

I’m pretty sure Cassidy has powers because she has so much “agony” but no where to put it since she can’t move.

[@arlo9754]

another amazing "byeeeeeee" at the end of this video, you keep outdoing yourself each time, it truly is an amazing part of your videos that makes watching from start to finish truly worth it

[@TwinWulfies]

...seriously, what does it says about the state of this godforsaken franchise and its fandom, that "are events we literally see play out on-screen correct or not" is a question even remotely worth entertaining?

[@Takejiro24]

That certain clues are so cryptic and vague (and seemingly contradictory) that there can be multiple interpretations of them and any one of them can be right. That.....and certain people get so attached to their theories and headcanons that they *need* them to be validated and supported by canon. Despite the fact they can just have their own AUs.

[@rockstarherospirit]

"Mimic, you fucked up your homework on Afton!" I want this on a shirt.

[@sanorii9573]

That Chica impression actually brought a tear to my eye 😂😂😂😭

[@m4z391]

Funny part is in Help Wanted there is a Spring Bonnie model in the files

[@randomrhino4371]

Oh my god, your Give Life interpretation and explanation for Cassidy being separate is EXACTLY the same as mine! Good theory as always, I'm constantly impressed at just how believable they all are

[@Charliehotdog79]

If Cassidy was a springlock victim, That'd explain why the suits were retired in the first place, NOT because of the bite.

[@creeperboom9813]

Now that you mentioned it, I would definitely love to see you do a timeline video

[@spongebobguy2cook]

I just remembered in one of the Game Theory videos on FNaF 2 that was said by scott to be almost correct PuppetStuff us used and PurplePhone is one of the few things that have been explicitly said to be false

[@Wizardjones69]

The things being false is charliedeathfredbears and purple phone guy

[@GraySheep1717]

I love your analysis of FNaF 6, and how characters deal with the mistakes they make, incredible

[@Slomurr]

I personally think Will hid the boddies in the suit, but Charlie came and woke the kids up by leading their remnant into the suits so they could have their chance to avenge their death. If I'm not mistaken, remnant is created via strong emotion (positive or negative) and death is the strongest factor of that, especially if it was negative. Example would be death such as murdered, springtraped, burned alive, suffocation, etc, Aka agony. I think her role was to help the spirits gain consciousness/ awareness again instead of actively stuffing them in the suits. It would've been very odd for William to just leave the bodies in the open imo. Also just side note, i also believe possession can accour in the fnaf universe on it's own without a 3rd party depending on the strength of emotion on death. When Charlie died, she was feeling many negative emotions at once, being left out in the cold, probably feeling scared and neglected. Being stabbed by the family friend that she probably trusted, obviously more scared and betrayed. Tossed in the alley like trash and most likely was still alive, but slowly dying, feeling hopeless, depressed, confused, and angry towards Will and probably her Father for not being there for her. When the puppet came to her side, she maybe even felt some level of comfort and connection to it that lead to her possessing it. It can be done, but more rare in he fnaf verse. Other examples include Springtrap and C.C, and maybe Andrew or Cassidy. No idea what's up with those two. Fyi, i have yet to finish your video and commented based off you claim in the title and thumbnail. So I'll make an edit if your claim addresses what I've stated.

[@Wizardjones69]

Some things that im thinking about willian character: William wanted to elizabeth die in baby on purpose? And William wanted mike to die on purpose in the bunker?

[@Wizardjones69]

@@sunnyisabunny1479 its because pretty much William would tell elizabeth in purpose of not play with baby to make her having curiosity to check baby, and she being scooped after that

[@patrickserrats6919]

honestly i love the idea that cassidy was stuffed and springlocked

[@noodrasan]

i think the ball pit is where the sink hole is. the sink hole that leads to the sister location/box which is like a "time capsule" >.> kinda like F.O.W.L.

[@Mr.En1gm4]

Even if Glichtrap is the one stuffing them in Help Wanted, we need to acknowledge that the mimic represents some "corrupted Aftonized version of the Puppet", so to speak, Afton isn't its only influence, definitely its creator influenced it (whether Edwin or Henry, who knows) and arguably also his kid (David/Charlie), so the luring/killing can be the "Afton in it", and the stuffing can be Charlie.

[@feduwtc]

is amazing how often people forget Charlie was thr one who stuffed the kids on the suits

[@juliabp6057]

The majority of the community takes WillStuff as a fact

[@SomeonesBestFriend11_SBF]

Why would Charlie think to stuff the kids? She wasn;t stuffed, the puppet fell next tp her, I believe that Will stuffed the bodies but Charlie tethered the spirits.

[@rainbowzzzplayzzz]

Very excited because A LOT of your recent theories have been lining up with my personal canon and its nice to have somebody else laying out the evidence

[@cuffedproductions369]

This is my take on who stuffed the kids. I believe that William lured and killed the kids, and there is room to say he wasn't the one who stuffed them, but I do believe he WAS the one who did stuff them. The Help Wanted section is telling this, and because we dont see William stuffing Gabriel into the suit, the spirit went through a black out period(where a soul(s) can not see until they have been attached to something). This is where the Puppet/Charlie comes in. She sees the spirits remaining in the pizzeria, so she takes it upon herself to give them life again, thus putting the souls into the suits. Again personal take.

[@annepandesal]

this is very interesting and i l quite like it :D the clarification on the give life visual and how that wasnt a failed attempt at happiest day how charlie realized her mistake and that shes just not passively waiting for happiest day and yeah i like that. how its the opposite of william and ever since i heard the theory a few years back that cassidy was springlocked, it stuck with me and i like that it ties in here with puppetstuff

[@galaxyrend]

Wonder if a “Who is the Golden Freddy Kid in Happiest Day” video would have enough content to be worth it. I see a lot of people say it Cassidy, but I’ve always thought it’s a lot more narratively satisfying if it’s CC.

[@SansINess53]

Tbh I think Cassidy and the crying child share the body of golden freddy cuz literally. No one really got close talking to the crying child in the pizzeria only cassidy did.

[@alexrivers8163]

Give gifts give life = the contract between soul and animatronic you give me a body and I give you life.

[@rad1165]

yeah a soul ghost gives a body Life to

[@Fractured_Reflection]

This and the Cassidy video proves Squawks is a professional at defending dead kids in court. Better call Squawks!

[@LeaveMeAlone3omgIgotloggedouta]

TRUE

[@JackieJKENVtuber]

About Pizza Party: ....but the mimic didn't make Pizza Party though. That's part of the intended part of Help Wanted - that's the ending to the Freddy Fazbear Virtual Experience that Fazbear Entertainment is making. There's various reasons to believe this including: 1. You don't have to activate Glitchtrap to play Pizza Party 2. The Springbonnie costume isn't glitchy (implying this isn't Glitchtrap and that - Mimic or Afton, depending on who you believe that to be - it re-used and re-purposed an existing model, instead of mimicking one from memory) 3. The whole build-up before the ending scene being all the other locations the game has been, showing that it's thematically the end to the game (without which the Freddy Fazbear Virtual Experience has none) 3. The credits rolling 4. Hand Unit thanking you for playing the game and assuring you that there's nothing else you didn't play (meaning this dialogue was meant for the one and only ending of the game, while still being aware that there was something weird that they couldn't fully patch out) 5. The innaccuracies in place and models, just like you mentioned 6. It making thematic sense to become Freddy at the end of the game (you also mentioned this)

[@solvult7284]

i always just assumed that william stuffed the kids after hours because unless there was an emergency that day nobody would need to go into the saferoom

[@Personian]

Videos like this shows there is still stuff to be theorized and talked about even way back to who stuffed the kids

[@jesuscamou602]

Glitchtrap is awesome, the cloth costume was a great idea imo

[@JosiesCloset]

I think they were dismembered and stuffed into an extra freddy suit or even golden freddy as golden freddy has so much significance with the murderers, and “I was the first I have seen everything” could mean she was the first to be killed, stuffed, or given the gift of life by the puppet. Also the puppet stuffing the kids matters because she wants revenge on him like golden Freddy but they are even more limited by the suits then they were as ghosts.

[@mylam658]

Oh man, watching this is going to be a ride. I've always wondered about this specific topic but I've never seen anyone really talk about it.

[@Joshchive]

With the the reinforcement of William being the one to stuff the children in the FNAF movie, just like how he is said to do in the novels, and we know based on the credits that Puppet exists in the FNAF Movie universe, I feel like its a pretty solid nail in the coffin. Similar to 1985, if the series keeps throwing something at us enough, its trying it tell use something. In this case, Afton stuffed the kids, even if it isnt flawless in timeline execution.

[@The-Australian-Nerd]

I agree

[@SmallPotato95]

But puppet no exist in those universes or Atleast the puppet is very different in the movie verse

[@porcelainchips6061]

2nd Batch = The Funtimes (last one, promise) What if Give Gifts, Give Life is exactly what it looks like, but it's not the children getting stuffed into the suits. Think of how the shell-heads can come off the endos AND how FNAF4 and Curse of Dreadbear show that there are plastic masks of the characters. What if the Puppet placed a mask, or the literal mascot head on each body... Then that "assigned" their souls to each of the robots (i'm leaning towards the shell heads, not masks, but both existing in-universe I think is important to keep in mind). The Bodies were never found, because Afton took their bodies to the bunker, or his house, to try to re-create the Puppet. But it does not work; because the souls are not with the bodies; they were re-located through the mini-game cutscene. The bad smell and muscus and blood reported is because the head-shells did touch the bodies and the supernatural-haunting effect causes the smell and appearance to shift back and fourth. Then, in 1987, Afton tries it again, like you said; the second batch. And, like you said, he leaves them out FOR the Puppet intentionally this time. But when the puppet doesn't repeat it's actions from before (note; the fact Henry could show us footage of "Give Gifts, Give Life" implies that happened on-camera) Afton ends up taking the evidence away. like before; but this time he does extract the souls because the souls were not removed from the bodies and so he now has the material for the Funtimes and the original MCI are still haunting the Pizzaria. Also, this would click-in with "Follow me" being in 1993 / FNAF1, with the location closing and Afton wanting to try and collect what was "stolen" from him; because the Puppet is not at the FNAF1 location, and since the MCI Afton has built the scooper and knows how to take/transfer the fazgoo/remnant unlike before.

[@tamaskarsai2072]

I think we should think about fnaf vr as a game, made by fazzbear entertainment which moks the rumors of the past happened at fredies. So the fact that you can go to the "back" room shows that, that part is made by the programmers working on that game. Maybe glitch trap is partly worked around being in the game. So that part is maybe literally made by the employees who made up stuff on how did all of it happened. I think the part which glitch trap did is where he invades your mind. Like the last 2 endings where you collect all the tapes. Also I don't think mimic can suddenly start to code and change the game anyways shape or form. Like probably after he invaded 1 of the programmers mind sure maybe, before that I don't think so. So I think it's safe to say most stuff is just made by the staff or fazzbear entertainment. When it comes to the appearance of glitchtrap, I think that is something which the mimic did.

[@thatbluebaby33]

I’m still in shock that the real name of your theory is alter S. Love the theory I think this makes perfect sense for the characters

[@porcelainchips6061]

"Follow Me" detail - I like what you mentioned there about what if / are the books suggesting that Shadow Freddy in "Follow me" is not supernatural at all, but just Afton using the illusion discs? That actually makes total sense, because in that cutscene mini game I don't remember the two being on-screen at the same time and other timing elements make sense; The robots follow another robot telling them to "follow me" and then they get confused and their confusion, as robots who's "task" has been interrupted / broken allows Afton to get the surprise on them before they can fight back. It also works with the ghosts then confronting him in the safe room; there's no illusion discs in use because all the robots are dismantled and he's just doing something in that room (maybe a last sweep for parts before never coming back again?) and then suddenly there are visible ghosts and he's shocked/scared because it's totally new / not part of the plan / he's not prepared with any way to deal with them.

[@siresquawks]

Next video is actually about shadow Freddy and involves stuff like this.

[@Bbmag23]

1. Great candy cadet explanation. Very satisfying. 2. This makes sense if charlie being a child thought the best thing for the victims was to try and have fun at their favorite place. Ultimately giving them unfinished business because what they needed to do was blow out the candles and move along as it should have been.

[@Charliehotdog79]

By possessing the animatronics, they are given a gift, a gift of life.

[@Jedi-ge6lr]

In an AU I've made, William did stuff the kids into the suits. My reasoning for in universe is that William was still jealous of Henry, and knew that Freddy's already bad reputation would be made even worse if the children that went missing were found dead inside of the animatronics. He first stuffed Cassidy, as the Fredbear suit would most likely be in the safe room due to it also being a springlock suit. Then he waited after dark to stuff the other four. He used both the cover of darkness and the Springbonnie suit to disguise himself. The only one who would know it was him was Henry, and he never reported it, as he was in denial that his own business partner would do such a thing. Of course, when watching this video, it makes much more sense for the Puppet to have stuffed them in the official story.

[@monstrdog7031]

Theres alot of sense made into this and i love and hate the take on Cassidy's death! It makes the karma do much more and brings so much more sense to her anger for her to be the one stuffed by William and possibly springlocked, poor kid. I just have to try and wrap my mind around when circus baby's/Elizabeth's death occurs and fnaf4 stuff depending on who we play as, why william would be running experiments so early and such

[@Charliehotdog79]

The problem with this (unless it's BOTH of them (it's weird)) is that if William didn't stuff the bodies, they would just be there in the safe room for any employee to see the dead bodies. However, it could work if the safe room was already off limits. What if he put the bodies in the arcade machines lol

[@smt64productions40]

I mean, didn’t Phone Guy mention to not enter Safe Room unless emergency via springlock failure? So people wouldn’t enter the safe room and people won’t think too much for William being there because he is an owner

[@kaitlynboss3497]

I feel like the reason that Cassidy, Charlie, and William are more aware than the MCI animals is that they weren’t dead when they were put in contact with the animatronic. I always felt like Charlie wasn’t dead yet when the puppet crawled over. It makes sense if it was the first time Afton killed, she was left for dead. Cassidy, if springtrapped, would have slowly died while stuffed, just like Afton. It makes sense to me that the Missing kids aren’t fully aware because they were fully dead before being put in the suit. Charlie had to put her own life in them, so they don’t have their own thoughts. Does that make sense?

[@EmeraldTopazz]

I really like this take because of how it manages to make the DCI make narrative sense.

[@skibidiseether1221]

Aight controversial one heres my theory on stuff. Theres 2 incidents, Dead child incident and MCI. thats confirmed btw. Its on the wiki and in freddy files it says there were up to 4 incidents. The dci kids are in the Withered animatronics and the mci kids are in the classics. Happiest day happens and the DCI kids along with cassidy move on there. The DCI kids go to ucn with cassidy. We know withered chica and especially withered bonnie are somehwhat aware of their surroundings. The classics are the ones dismantled by afton in follow me, and their spirits are the phantoms.

[@ProbablyAdamm]

YOOOOOOOO I LITERALLY MADE A REDDIT POST LIKE 10 DAYS AGO ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT U SAID HAPPENED TO CASSIDY, I FULLY 100% AGREE