Charlie and Elizabeth: FNaF’s Perfect Foils

[@raelogan]

I think a particular element that seems so overlooked most of the time is the likelihood that, since William and Henry were good friends ((presumably)), that it was likely that Charlie was friends with Will's kids, and probably thought of him as an uncle or something. So imagine how tragic that probably was for her to be locked outside, see William approaching her, probably ran to him in tears to ask him to unlock the door for her, and he just stabs her. Imagine those last moments of her life being a sudden shift of sadness to relief to horror as she dies and watches William walk away from her coldly. 🥺

[@Hex.A.Decimal]

Exactly. I imagine that is why she was around back, William promised to unlock the back door for her, which may have been a pretty normal occurrence or at least something she had seen him and her dad do.

[@mohmdbak3062]

I never thought of that..

[@thepixelman4776]

I like to think she at least was friendly to CC; I don’t have a lotta particularly strong evidence, more just that they’d probably be closer in age around the times before one of them died and that she’s the one who finished and probably even started the process for freeing him in HD, but ultimately I just think it’s cute. I only kinda doubt Elizabeth cause of death order timeline uncertainly of her in particular.

[@AaronMiller1010]

Just something to point out. Just as Charlie was able to freely control the puppet because it had no programming and she could do and act how she wanted, scrap baby also is free from the ai baby programming that was keeping her from being "free". And Charlie is the one who ends up in lefty being trapped and not being able to act how she wants to

[@thepainsight]

The puppet does have some programming as in being calmed by the sound produced by the music boxes we see and responding to the signal from the bracelets given to the children, Otherwise it would have never been caught/lured by Lefty. Scrap Baby has had no AI in it since Micheal removed the chip in SL withe Elizabeth taking full control over Baby sometime after said SL ended.

[@IncoisaRadio87]

In a way, it really is a reflection of the abuse of children. After all, what is killing a child if not one of the worst forms of abuse of all? And between all abused children, you'll see a pattern. If they see how they've been abused, they'll learn from it, and try to be everything their abuser wasn't. If they don't... they may emulate it. They'll think that's how the world *is,* and sure it was painful and harsh but that's how it must be, and how they should be too if they want to keep up. It is in children's nature to learn, but they must be taught how to grow. Henry, despite being a broken man, is portrayed as growing. But William never does. He learns, but doesn't grow. Elizabeth learned, but only Charlie ever grew.

[@fakeorchestra4260]

It's very interesting that Afton's family maps PERFECTLY onto a narcissistic parent family. Whether or not Afton cared about his children is a separate issue, he might have had SOME empathy but it was definitely covered up by his narcissistic tendencies. Perhaps he saw them as nothing more than trophies or perhaps he did love them in his own way but couldn't get over his own flaws But think about it Elizabeth is the Golden Child, the perfect child that William tries to model after himself, the favourite (Though she can also work as the abandoned child) The Crying Child is the forgotten child (though in this case William seems to somewhat care about him with the psychic friend fredbear) (and he also can work as a favourite) And Mike is the black sheep of the family. This is a story of someone so high on his own farts that he cannot get over a tragedy, not necessarily because he cares (though he might a bit), but because this tragedy is a hit to his ego. He blames everyone around him but not himself for being an absent shitty father and turns even more monstrous as he cannot accept that sometimes accidents just happen and that it wasn't anyone's fault. He turns against his best friend because of his own ego and jealousy.

[@higueraft571]

Even more so, if i remember right. *Henry* is the one who built the Springlocks too. William could absolutely pin the blame on Henry for *HIS* robot killing CC. If he denies it, and says it wasnt his fault? That'd only set him off further... HENRY wouldnt see it as him "striking first", only William would.

[@fakeorchestra4260]

@@higueraft571 yeah absolutely, and it works both ways whether you think that William had redeeming qualities or not.

[@higueraft571]

@@fakeorchestra4260 Exactly. Either way William is going to be *pissed.* And it wouldnt help he'd basically hit the Jackpot on the side, finding proof of LITERAL life after death, or immortality, something an unholy amount of people have killed for the merest whiff of :V

[@leonardocouto3109]

Dude, I absolutely L O V E the character work you're doing for the kids: Cassidy, Charlie, Elizabeth... I am actually growing more and more attached to these wandering spirits each video! They feel like actual kids now, characters improving, descending into darkness, having arcs... you turn the story of FNAF into an *actual story* and I adore it. It feels gripping in a fresh way. I am actually caring for the story because of these characters that I'm envisioning. I'm pretty sad this wasn't tried for the core four: I'd have loved them to have developed as a family instead of "animals". Have these four bestial animatronics actually be four kids that found each other and, under their ringleader's caring tutelage, support each other in their ultimate goal of freedom and hate only to grow past the hate as they hold on to it, killing and killing without caring who it is, maybe even after their success... until they finally realize it is for naught. They don't need more death: they need peace... and for that, *they need each other.* *ALL OF THEM... including the BV and Cassidy.*

[@FTZPLTC]

This is a pretty compelling take. I like the idea of Baby as a deliberate counterpart to the Puppet - it fits pretty well with how evil and terrible she's made out to be by Desk Guy, and with her manipulative nature in Sister Location. Some people talk about that like it's purely out of a desperate desire to leave the bunker, but I think it makes more sense as a tactic to gain sympathy from Mike - which is what a perverse version of the Puppet would be designed to do.

[@benwelsh5265]

Elizabeth really is a tragic mirror image of Charlie. A daughter of one of the co-founders of Fredbear's unfairly and horribly killed and then condemned to haunt her father's creation. But unlike Charlie who had Henry's love for at least 3 years Elizabeth has either had William being a flat-out abusive father like he is in the Fourth Closet or been brainwashed to accept his incredibly warped idea of 'love.' These 2 are honestly contenders for my favourite characters just because I think as characters they are two of the most well defined. Hopefully the series can actually allow these 2 poor girls to rest in peace.

[@ender01o66]

If Elizabeth's a tragic reflection of Charlotte, who's the Fearful reflect-ection of Charlotte?

[@typervader]

Golden Freddy or Cassidy. Cassidy holds onto Fear and Anger, refusing to let go and move on unlke Charoltte who let go eventally. But who was still there after all this time? @@ender01o66

[@xspranp7649]

@@ender01o66 Nightmarionne

[@ABagelLeftOnTheRoadside]

I feel like Vengeful Spirit, Charlotte and Elizabeth are all foils to each other.

[@randomrhino4371]

Personally I feel like Cassidy is a foil to Bite Victim

[@Leavemealone2-po7yn]

Okay, I get Cassidy and Charlie as foils, but how is she a foil to Elizabeth? That’s a genuine question btw.

[@IcySlappybearz]

@@Leavemealone2-po7yn Elizabeth wants to make her father proud which is a serial killer whom killed Cassidy Think about it, your killers daughter wants to take over the killer and continue this cycle, could you ever feel sympathetic or anything?

[@BearFlyGames]

...I love when you tied Scrap Baby's tiara, an accessory OG Baby doesn't have, to the whole narrative. And while I definitely respect your reasons for not releasing the ShatterElizabeth video, the story here could work with that, too... Like, the part of her that became Scrap Baby wanted to show that she was the "best" for William's plans... hence the crown. Makes that part of Henry's speech in Pizza Simulator hit that much harder... Like he knows William... and realized what he tried to do by that point. He doesn't know if Elizabeth still remembers her name... because this is all that's really left of her... Chilling.

[@thedarkdevil1661]

20:48-21:00 This sounds like Fourth Closest Elizabeth Afton Logic. She sees William needing Circus Baby more than her and therefore wants to BE her, until....she IS her. 11:23-11:34 Also Circus Baby being "What happened to Charlie, but under Afton's control" happens in the book trilogy as well.

[@manuiln.3093]

man I love thinking about Charlie | Elizabeth parallelism and opposition so much, and how it’s kind of similar to that/is a logical prolongation of that of Henry and William, but better. I love how even the girls’ death minigames are contrasted with Charlie’s being mostly black and white and Elizabeth’s being disgustingly oversaturated. this essay was very pleasant to listen, I don’t really have anything interesting to add rn, but here’s some algorithm juice

[@rich.wishes]

sooooo... baby is the ultimate daddy's girl

[@downbeatdialga1341]

19:47 The way you described the amalgamated souls after they reject Elizabeth’s leadership, I can only think of the Spongebob Comedy club meme, Ennard/Molten Freddy: “Oh brrrooother, this guy *STINKS!* “

[@Hex.A.Decimal]

I do 100% agree with the character analysis of Charlie and Lizzy. Spot on! I always got the impression that despite being dead at like kindergarten level one continued to 'grow up' as a soul and one held on to a toxic childhood. The next part is a tad controversial, so I apologize ahead of time. Puppet did stuff the second group, and William observed. At least datamining the SAVE THEM minigame makes it really look that way. There are already blood spills on and in some of the toys, and it looks like- due to cut parent and open child functions- we were supposed to watch the stuffing during the minigame. Probably too graphic and got cut late. I don't agree that Charlie was killed at Freddy's. I think it was Fredbears, the same allyway as the FNaF 6 pizzeria and the building Henry owned. I have a few points as to why but they wouldn't hold up in court so whatever. William went back because he is a serial killer. He isn't a sympathetic bad guy and until we as a fandom let that go we are going to look at the data with a skewed biased. The movie hammered down the dynamic set up by TSE. Henry is the sympathetic villian.

[@syweb2]

Could you clarify what TSE is?

[@Hex.A.Decimal]

@@syweb2 The silver eyes

[@ArtieFNAF]

Honestly, I'm not a fan of commenting on theory videos, as I like to share them among friends so we can debate about them. But what you did with this one convinced me. The entire twisted narrative of Elizabeth and Charlotte's disturbed and broken childish minds is quite intriguing and compelling to me. There are so many details you pointed out! So many details for this narrative, your work here is impressive! What a phenomenal job, Sire. I hope one day I can see a Timeline video of you, until.

[@Wizardjones69]

The fact that the "cakebear" sprite in the minigame has the same colour of freddy is like, why would that be fredbear in the first place???????

[@common_skeleton]

Because there is a darker Freddy mask in the same scene, people assume it’s Fredbear because of the two, Fredbear is lighter in color and it is literally the only thing that makes sense. There can’t be two Freddy’s right?

[@Wizardjones69]

@@NovaDog-gz4ye the first one with that assumiption is mat phew

[@Wizardjones69]

@@common_skeleton because this freddy in the minigame has the same colour as freddy mask in give gifts give life

[@Wizardjones69]

@@common_skeleton and use minigame sprite concistensy is a little stupid, if is true, purple guy having 2 different sprites means that they are different people

[@redskull378]

​@@Wizardjones69There being two purple guys was also a theory considered plausible at one point.

[@brawlstar1748]

What if Elizabeth and Charlie, when they were still children, were kinda frienemies to each other even then? Since their fathers worked together so much, they had to have met at some point at the restaurant or on a playdate or something. Perhaps Elizabeth was a brat who’d tease Charlie a lot and would tell on her father to get out of trouble, and Charlie was one of those kids who’d try and save bugs from getting squished and include other kids in their games. Ik the Puppet and Baby have no connection to each other, but it’d be a cool parallel and explanation for their personalities

[@no_sleep_bois4281]

Dang, I literally love this interpretation of the story so much! It makes me feel so bad for both parties involved. Makes me wonders though if Charlie could have helped Elizabeth during fnaf 6 if she wasn’t trapped in lefty, but that’s just a random thought

[@TheSnazzySharky]

Commenting for the sweet algorithm juice! I always seem to learn something new when it comes to these videos. I never made that connection between Charlie and Elizabeth's deaths! Nor did I think about the idea of Elizabeth becoming so unhinged and mentally broken that she WANTS to become Baby. I never liked how Baby seemingly had a character shift and completely changed her goals in FFPS just for the sake of having another enemy. And all the explanations and theories as to why this change happened never made sense to me and felt tacky. But not only did you manage to explain it in a way that makes sense, but also gave me a new, unnerving, and tragic perspective on Scrap Baby. Now I'm just going to feel sad and heartbroken when looking at her. Poor Liz. I don't have anything else to say about the rest of the video other than it was great! Though when you brought up William getting jealous and bitter over Henry's perfect family and daughter it made a little theory pop into my head. We have a good idea of what the Afton Family's dynamic is like. Michael's the hated one, CC is the one that's neglected, and Elizabeth is the golden child. What if the reason why William treats Elizabeth better (at least for his standards) than his two son's is because he never wanted a son? He wanted a daughter just like Henry? And he was bitter that it took 3 attempts to finally have one? Or maybe he had Elizabeth BECAUSE of seeing Henry's loving family and wanted a daughter of his own? Just a thought. I do hope that one day we can have a full timeline video that combines all of these theories. Make a little movie or documentary type thing. I think the reason why I've been loving these theories so much is because they actually go in depth with FNaF's story. Looking at parallels, connections, running themes, ect. Whenever the question of "why does X thing happen" pop ups, you actually think "why X thing happens AND what it adds to the narrative" instead of just "here's why X thing happens." You think with good media literacy. I love that. Common Sire Squawks W.

[@Kapro_The_Autocorrector]

I really like this video! I love the direction you took with these characters. The twisted mindset of Elizabeth is so emotionally heartbreaking, and Charlie's character to me is very spot on with how Scott wants her character to be portrayed

[@jessielefey]

//claps// I knew you'd be brilliant on this thank you. It's so vexing how *accidental* Charlie/Elizabeth feels for how perfect it is. And how wasted it is.

[@joshuavis2736]

Ive wondered if william intentionally got elizabeth killed which has been my headcanon for a while but elizabeth and charlie being such effective foil characters, makes me prefer elizabeth being killed accidentally while charlie was killed on purpose. This was a great and interesting video. Keep up the great work!

[@hioman]

With you drawing the crying insane baby/Elizabeth picture, it's only a matter of time before you draw baby doing the pomni 1000 yard stare

[@maxwellattacks6645]

About the cake bear thing, I don't understand why some people believe that he is Fredbear. As of now, it is widely accepted that Golden Freddy is the same character as Fredbear, and Golden Freddy can be found in the Save Them minigame as an Easter egg. The color palette of "Cake Bear" is the same as Freddy's in the same minigame, not Golden Freddy, which is entirely yellow, there is no confirmed location where both Fredbear and Freddy were present as mascots, which suggests that the restaurant where Charlotte died was Freddy's, not Fredbear's.

[@syweb2]

The FNaF 3 tapes mention using a Fredbear springlock suit at Freddy Fazbear's Pizza, so Fredbear was in use in at least one Freddy's, most likely the MCI one.

[@maxwellattacks6645]

@@syweb2 True, I almost forgot that. But it still implies it's Freddy's since Freddy wasn't in Fredbear's.

[@higueraft571]

@@syweb2 >most likely the MCI one. Considering it mentions one suit being moved, followed by a VERY sudden sealing, it's pretty likely to be the MCI/FNAF 1 location yeah.

[@mynamjeffeg6]

hell yeah I've been binge watching your vids recently, great timing

[@MrHinchapelotas]

no way me too

[@thenewkidontgeblock903]

A L G O R I T H A M J U I C E

[@gotem2546]

Sire Squawks try to make a bad theory challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

[@justtruckk]

no one appreciating the kellen goff sprite... (love it btw)

[@emiliobarukgallardoflores6983]

While I do hope the Mimic signals a new direction for the narrative, a Charlie vs Elizabeth storyline could be really cool considering their parallelisms

[@ulookbeutiful3736]

My girl Charlie out there just foiling everyone: Afton, Cassidy, Elizabeth It really shows how flexible her character is even though its thematically unchanging so people can build whatever narrative they want around her.

[@NorthernWind0]

Problem number 1: Afton being out before Freddy's 0. I don't think that would have happened until after Charlie, and my reasoning for that is that Charlie is his only murder that doesn't take place in the pizzeria. William knew enough to block off the security puppet's box before acting (presumably to avoid being recorded) and because Bonnie is part of the core of the OG animatronics, something I don't think Henry would have done if, for some reason, he threw William out, given William's obvious affinity for Bonnie. I think that at best there's not enough information to make a determination on whether William Afton was 'out' or not yet and at worst, his understanding of the security measures of the location and his intentional circumvention of them indicates William was still an insider at Freddy's 0. With Freddy's 0 NOT closing because Charlie was murdered OFF the premises, this leaves william free to study the Puppet and learn about Remnant and murder IN the restaurant later. Problem number 2: Asserting that Charlie is 3 years old or so is kiiiinda without evidence. I think it's far more likely she's closer to 7-10, given the general age of pizzeria guests and the fact that she had a social circle of children who locked her out of the building while laughing at her. That doesn't generally happen to 3 year olds. I'm still not entirely sold on the 5 keys story necessarily relating to Charlie (Especially since the game as shown indicates Cassidy didn't need her help) My best guess about the keys story would be that it's a parallel to William actually. When given the choice to use the remnant to perhaps bring his daughter back, he might have actually thought about doing it before ultimately deciding he'd rather study the MCI and her. There's a lot of possibilities, including that that passage HAS no direct parallel, that Cassidy could be the one in question who could help someone rise but chooses instead to keep everyone trapped torturing william, etc. etc. Problem number 3: If we're actively introducing more murders into the series, rather than assuming the child-shape inside Funtime Freddy is actually just the storage tank for kidnapped children, then we run into a problem with MoltenMCI, as there's potentially more children we don't know about that are in the funtimes. That can open up a number of possibilitieiffs, sure, but it can also open up some problems as well. William returning to destroy the animatronics later could be any number of things if he's in the business of making his own remnant this early on. Though I don't see a reason why William would risk going into obviously dangerous circumstances when he could just wait a bit for the Rental Service to do the job for him, especially if Baby (proof of concept that she is) demonstrates that that's exactly what he was going for at this point in the timeline to begin with. To be fair though, this would solve the problem of Soul Splitting, but leaves us with the 'five things become one' as a parallel only for new kids who were in the funtimes. You are correct that the rationale is strange, especially the idea of William trying to create another ringleader, when there's very little way he could establish that causal link beyond the puppet bringing them to life. It would make MORE sense if you were to discuss William trying to use Baby to force a new batch of murdered kids to come to life, but that THAT didn't work, so he resorts to the SCUP and the old remnant from his previous victims, but then why the child containment unit? Ultimately, the best theory we have for this is that William took the previous remnant for experimental purposes, figured out some of how it worked, then outfitted the funtimes to attempt to acquire more remnant. That's the most logical timeline. Problem number 4: It doesn't really make sense for Cassidy to be setting up the Happiest Day if Charlie's gonna be the host. Narratively it doesn't make sense for Cassidy to end what Charlie started, especially since in the end Cassidy is the one who decides not to move on and to try to torture Slick Willy. Charlie is the only spirit, Narratively, with the wherewithal + motivation to try to get them all to move on. Cassidy has the wherewithal, but not the motivation as they want to continue hunting Afton who's not *dead* at this point. the MCI lack enough agency and (if MoltenMCI is to be believed) this won't even help them since they're all split up (IMO, Happiest Day is the strongest piece of evidence AGAINST MoltenMCI, assuming we're not doing soul-splitting or duplication, it just doesn't fit the timeline). Charlie is the only still whole spirit with the mentality for moving on. Charlie is the only spirit who can possibly be trying to make this end at that point. Also her mask floating slower to the ground at the end is a clear indication that she's seeing this to the end. She's making sure to be the last one out and thus she has some control over this. That's not to say I'm negative on this theory overall, I just think we disagree on SOME of the FINER points. Still, very good take, as always.

[@higueraft571]

>William knew enough to block off the security puppet's box before acting (presumably to avoid being recorded) This... seems like a stretch, it seems much more like it's purely by chance. >Asserting that Charlie is 3 years old or so is kiiiinda without evidence. This is likely drawing from the Novels, as she DID die when she was 3 years old there... even if the timeline for that gets REALLY messy, with several stated ages being pretty far off from that. I believe the earliest birth stated would be 1978? Which would put it in 1981 instead of the 1980-1983 listed. And another at 1979, or 1982 instead of 83. >That doesn't generally happen to 3 year olds. I mean, children ARE assholes, i could see a bunch of 8~ year olds or younger tormenting a 3 year old they barely know, especially if they know she's the owner's daughter. I will note as well: Personally, i'm FOR the Soul Splitting. One half of the MCI goes into the Funtimes after FNAF 1 closes, the other stays within the shells, going through Happiest Day in FNAF 3 thanks to the Puppet (who's physically there for that purpose, possibly even uttering that UCN line at him during FNAF 3's events? It WOULD fit perfectly) This would also explain Happiest Day better, it WOULD still be Canon, and it'd still explain why the Puppet is last, they arent done yet, while the others (4 kids + CC) finally rest. It'd certainly disorient them, and lead towards the Funtime Half going feral practically, but i imagine they'd still be largely people-like when split in two...

[@NorthernWind0]

@@higueraft571 It seems more like a stretch to me that the Security Pupper would be blocked in the first place, given the restaurant was recovering from the death of one of its founders' children on the property.and the security pupper was a measure put in place to prevent further problems. William knew his way around the security, as was evidenced in many future and current events. Drawing Charlie's age from the novels seems like a folley to me, and furthermore, asserting Charlie died in 1980-1983 asserts that her death is before the bite of '83, which doesn't make sense of the security puppet. Assuming she was born in 1979, she couldn't really have been less than 4, but given her propensity for rational thought, and that she looks the same as the other kids who locked her out in all depictions of the scene, I'd wager she's probably between, as stated before 7-10. 6 would be the youngest I'd go, ans 12 would be the oldest. Given that William was likely stewing in his grief for some time, given the general state of michael and the family by the point of 'later that night', I don't think it happened quite as close together as you seem to think it did. The evidence of the games contradicts the novels in this regard. I also don't think 8 year olds locking a 3 year old out is all that likely, especially since, as stated, they all looked exactly the same in every depiction. I think it's not unreasonable to assume the funtimes are powered by some of the eenergy of the MCI, but that it's not so much a 'soul' as the leftover mass of living hatred, The souls have moved on by 6. I don't think that splitting is quite right as a term. It took power from the originals, without actually being the same as a soul. This would also explain the Agony vs Remnant thing. Agony is the physical power left over from the violent deaths, where Remnant wold be the literal soul, and be able to move on when it likes. Not only would this explain the feral behabvior, but it wouldalso indicate that happiest day works withontimes or the Puppet's actual achievement during happiest day, which would be invalid if only part of the souls were put to rest.

[@higueraft571]

@@NorthernWind0 >asserts that her death was before the bite of '83 No it doesnt. Both of them can 100% die the same year... >quite as close together Could honestly be a gap of 6 or more months, plenty of time. >souls moved on by 6 Except i fall in the "Henry is an idiot and Remnant doesnt burn" party, more evidence for it not burning than it does :V >Agony vs Remnant Honestly, pretty sure Agony IS Remnant. These are book terms specifically. And, where does Love fall, exactly? Taggart, who dubbed it Agony to begin with, also refers to Love as another aspect. And, where does Light and Dark Remnant fit in too? I have a decent theory, but curious what your answer (if any) would be first...

[@NorthernWind0]

@@higueraft571 The security puppet wasn't present for the bite of '83, ergo we can assert that it was addeed after. Charlie must have been killed after the bite victim . this explains not only the puppet, but the fact that Wiliam wants to kill Charlie in the first place. The book timeline for charlie doesn't fit with the game timeline for charlie for many reasons. Agony and Remnant may be book terms, ut they can adequately explain the split without carrying any of the rest of the book context into the story. Otherwise, to me, happiest day doesn't make sense, as it distinctly does show the puppet moving on.

[@higueraft571]

@@NorthernWind0 >The book timeline for charlie doesn't fit with the game timeline for charlie for many reasons. Well yeah, Book Charlie isnt even Charlie, if you're talking about the robot. It's a fresh soul gaslit into thinking it is :V >as it distinctly does show the puppet moving on. Much, much slower than others seemingly. It stands out like a sore thumb. >Agony and Remnant may be book terms, ut they can adequately explain the split without carrying any of the rest of the book context into the story. In my theory anyways: Agony and Love are *components* of Remnant. To give a rough visual diagram: Agony ??? ??? v v v Dark Remnant V Remnant (The Soul) ^ Light Remnant ^ ^ ^ Love ??? ??? Agony and Love are the strongest types of their Remnants, as mentioned by Phineas Taggart. Agony can survive the transfer from person to object on it's own, is the only known one that can. Love (as Taggart names it) presumably is what Dr Talbert was researching, and incorrectly named it just "Remnant", possessing regenerative properties potentially. I suspect Agony not only can survive, but can act as a conduit/line to allow the other flavors to pass through as well safely. You can apply this directly to Book Charlie, actually. Henry *literally* pours his love and agony into the Ella doll, and creates a brand new soul from it. AR also reinforces that there's two flavors, as it has you stuff both into animatronics. If any entity's a pure being of Agony, i'd have to say it's the Shadows specifically. As for why the MCI kids would be acting so feral? It's not even anything Agony or Remnant related exactly. They've basically had their minds scrambled, split, rearranged, and mixed together and such, while also being left to their own minds for nearly *50* years if SB is in 2035. The books DO reinforce the idea that the dead can and will forget over time, and that they need the "pieces put together" sometimes. In the novels, it'd only be around 8-9 years after their deaths and they already forgot William killed them, and who they are/began believing they're the characters. Not to mention Blob sucking up globs of Remnant from GOD knows where, that'd only be diluting them further. Or, simply put/a tl;dr, "Spiritual Alzheimer's". Some like William and Cassidy are capable of surviving/remembering MUCH better than others. (this is partially speculation though, they havent been blended yet, or gone through half the shit the MCI kids did)

[@hocus1]

Really enjoyed this

[@echo_z319]

Robot trying to sound human:

[@hocus1]

@@echo_z319 no, because I actually did enjoy it

[@hioman]

@@echo_z319 oh! I know this one! Uh... funtime foxy?

[@echo_z319]

@@hocus1 except you couldnt have because theres no way you finished the 24 minute video 7 minutes after it was posted

[@echo_z319]

@@hioman Bro is on the spectrum ☠️

[@drquem4279]

Now i'm have a question, If Charlie and Elizabeth are Foils, that means that William and Michael would be Foils? Like, Michael is The Protagonist and William The Antagonist. They're The (What i like to call) Double Oposite. As like Any Prota-Antagosnit relationship. So, analysing William could Help in understanding Michael and viceversa

[@smt64productions40]

Well, they did die in what Phone Guy said in 1 One died inside a suit One died having an endo inside his body

[@drquem4279]

@@smt64productions40 Phone Guy's Visions. Really great unintencional Foreshadowing

[@higueraft571]

Except Michael was ALSO a Puppet of William. A closer example might be CC and Cassidy though?

[@drquem4279]

@@higueraft571 Of course,l it could be too. But look How their arcs follow. Michael is trying to fix his mistakes while William cant accept his own mistakes. Michael is trying to Made up for what he did for CC

[@quesproductions7170]

Are you ever going to make a timeline? I remember you mentioning your thoughts watching Game Theory, but I don't know if you made one you firmly believe. It'll be awesome to see one from you, whether it's a game timeline or a story timeline like game theory made.

[@siresquawks]

Someday.

[@sebastianszyrwinski9325]

​@@siresquawksHey, I have a proposal for 2 movies. Could you comment on Toy chica the highschool years? About what these cutscenes convey and who the 7th victim is. And why Vengeful Spirit has to be Golden Freddy, which is why UCNDissent doesn't work (this theory assumes that Cassidy as Redbear leaves UCN and only Andrew remains)? Because I think you will speak very well on these topics.

[@higueraft571]

@@sebastianszyrwinski9325 >Could you comment on Toy chica the highschool years? About what these cutscenes convey and who the 7th victim is. The theory i've heard: It's NOT the MCI or any actual event, but more a sort of look into William's mind/thought process? A bit like how The Immortal and the Restless is Michael's.

[@sebastianszyrwinski9325]

​@higueraft571 could you elaborate?

[@artblocked4568]

this is my favorite video of yours so far for sure!!!! i love your view of these two characters who are arguably my favorites

[@eyadikramy7674]

I love this theory watching you theorize and create this narrative over the course of multiple videos has been great it gives so much depth and character to what i thought was a very sloppy story lacking motivation behind alot of actions Excited to see the timeline if it ever comes out ! Great job once again sire !

[@dreameater4511]

I like this theory. I always assumed Charlie leaned toward being protective because that was what the puppet was programmed to do; (It was made to protect kids, it still responds to the music box like programmed to, and is lured into Lefty based on the Puppet's programming). I figured Charlie was more capable of reasoning because the puppet had a more advanced Ai, capable of tracking the wristbands throughout 3D space, even into the alley outside apparently; contrasting the Band, which have relatively simple directives related to their performance. But this video did made me consider that its electronics might have fried in the rain and never been fixed, leaving just Charlie (and possibly some residual artificial mental impulses).

[@creeperboom9813]

Well, since you asked, here's a comment for the algorithm

[@SCP-469]

Also oh no he’s fallen into the dumb theory name rabbit hole 💀

[@richietribe9487]

I love this. I always saw them this way. Perfectly told

[@Max1mus179]

Charlie dying at fredbears never made sense to me, even back when pizza Sim first came out I always just assumed that the take cake location was Freddy's cause of the bears color

[@AXOLOTL-LAKE]

Elizabeth and Charlie are two of the most interesting characters.

[@Nelsito99]

For the series of theories that are connected to this one why don't you put them in their own playlist so that its easier for people to see what your vison of the story is

[@siresquawks]

Yeah i'm planning on doing that

[@abigailbishop8267]

This video was well worth the wait! Charlie and Elizabeth being perfect foils is fascinating and you've given pretty solid interpretation for Midnight Motorist and the Freddy's locations. Fantastic video 👍

[@fakeorchestra4260]

When you think about it Elizabeth cannot grow up because William couldn't grow up either.

[@monstrdog7031]

Another beautiful telling of this tragic tale! They really are the perfect foils of eachother and through no fault of their own.

[@BDTMack]

Awesome video! One of your best! Love this interpretation of Elizabeth and Charlie!

[@Violet_ii]

ughh i love these lore videos so damn much

[@Echosinfireify]

I hate that in sister location it doesn’t feel like baby cares about Afton, she just wants to get free, but then in pizzaria simulator her only motivation is daddy issues

[@kalebburgess8337]

? You mean ffps

[@spaghettiiwithjuice9826]

it's especially weird since it's told to us that the Funtimes (which would also imply Baby is in on it as well) think Michael is William and want to kill him for that. ..now that I think about it, why didn't they just use the technicians bodies instead? maybe i'm misremembering and it's said they can't go into the scooper room without being forced to but couldnt they just use either or even both of the technicians? just lift up their bodies in front of the scooper and bam, free disguises!

[@Echosinfireify]

@@spaghettiiwithjuice9826 this is a great point

[@soomi5667]

@@spaghettiiwithjuice9826I assume it’s because they wanted it to be specifically William. Even though it does seem like they hate him, I guess it would be like a act of revenge of some sort. Cause otherwise they should’ve used the technicians bodies lol.

[@mylam658]

Really good perspectives. I actually feel really bad for Elizabeth now. 😭

[@lukelaps9298]

I love this one big overarching theory

[@bluestrangler0447]

You are now my go to when I'm looking for interesting and logical FNAF theories, these are honestly just banger after banger

[@tamooz6649]

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[@BurningFlamesofDivineDragon]

Good job on this breakdown says a lot about why Charlie was so respectful and Elizabeth was not. When it came to each of their MCI groups. You never get anywhere in life by being greedy.

[@Qmaster311]

great job man. when you explain the story it sounds so simple. makes me think how do peoole get so twisted about the events when all the info is right there

[@bubbleshock14]

This is a really good video, i think this describes Charlie and Elizabeth's relationship / duality better than the silver eyes trilogy ever did.

[@smashers6971]

Really good take on this idea! It’s something I always had a hunch that this sort of idea but it’s cool to see it expanded on. I still prefer the idea that Baby is the one in control (Mostly because of how confusing Elizabeth becoming a psychotic murder is, at least the MCI kids have an excuse) and it still serves as a foil to how Charlie and the puppet’s possession works, Charlie controls the body of the Puppet but Elizabeth is just the thing that makes Baby more dangerous.

[@jaront6771]

This is a great analysis of these two characters amazing video Sire Squawks.

[@jetperson3billion439]

was just watching your videos when this dropped 🙏🙏

[@hioman]

I know that this won't convince anybody who's already made up their mind, but to further your point that Charlie dies at Freddy's, the first time we see her die is in a minigame where you play as freddy

[@DragonSkies0211]

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[@thepixelman4776]

The one potential hiccup I see with your interpretation (and this isn’t a story beat thing like who dies; that’s beside the point) is that Charlie is wholly motivated to kill because of the MCI kids need for revenge. I mean I do more or less agree, she seemed to physically be in fazbears frights and didn’t bother directly attacking either Mike or William even though she might’ve just been preoccupied with Happiest day, but then I think back to Henry’s big speech and that “your list for blood has driven you in endless circles” line. He does address every animatronic present, including Charlie in Lefty who will actively try to kill Mike. So while I still think he doesn’t want to kill, there may be some level of bloodlust that just comes with the territory of being a murdered spirit that she can only fight against so much. In her defense, however, I do think this is partly just thats she’s been worn down from around 50 years or so of being dead and trying to make everything right; that would mess anyone up. It’s also consistent with the 3 other animatronics in the game, who aside maybe Scraptrap always felt especially tragic to me. Like Babys been warped from manipulative to just a killing machine obsessed with pleasing William and Molten Freddy’s spirits just seem insane, cackling maniacally and not even that aware of what’s going on. So it follows that even Charlie would lose herself to a point (although depending on how you see her in UCN, she may have gained it back, possibly from Henry talking to her in his speech). Sorry for the long one, love this interpretation, just wanted to throw in a bit of my take.😅👍

[@StoryTeller796]

Okay, so far you are effectively outlining my idea for my own version of the FNAF universe. You know what I could make every single FNAF theory into a variety of versions of the original FNAF universe.

[@Rengoku-ki4vo]

The mask thing just got me onto something. What if the brainwashing thing was already happening even in fnaf 1. When the CC died all of the kid’s were wearing masks. Anytime Mike pranked his brother he wore a mask. When Michael wasn’t wearing masks he was a protector (fnaf 5).

[@Mable22]

you always kill it !!! i love this theory.

[@Private-Potato]

Excellent work on this video. You’ve been working on it for a while, and it shows in the best way possible.

[@SubZero-hs9xc]

You are one of the few that approach fnaf at a storytelling stanspoint

[@Leavemealone2-po7yn]

In my opinion the foils of Fnaf are: Elizabeth/Charlie Cassidy/Evan (crying kid) William/Micheal And those are all of the ones I could think of for now.

[@cuppatea8807]

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[@randomrhino4371]

Another good theory and amazing narrative as always! I don't have much to say specifically so just know that I agree with 98% of this, and the remaining 2% is very minor things. 1% I'm on the fence about is the Funtime Freddy victim, and the other 1% is the only part I actively disagree with, if Fredbear's was replaced by Juniors, then why is it connected to Sister Location? That would only make sense if Afton still owns the property.

[@siresquawks]

That’s a fair complaint. One idea I thought of though is that if Dittophobia is implying the breakeroom observation rooms are underground in the bunker, then the one on the map would be a recreation of it. We can still use it’s relative location since it’s in the same spot as the Fnaf 4 minigames, so the location connection works no matter what so far. But yeah you can see it as a hole in the theory.

[@randomrhino4371]

@@siresquawks Hmm I guess, Dittophobia is annoying like that. I have also seen a lot of people suggest that the FNAF 6 location is the same building as Fredbear's, but if you don't believe that then that wouldn't be a problem.

[@Wizardjones69]

​@@randomrhino4371people who belive fnaf6 fredbears also believe charliedeath fredbears

[@higueraft571]

>then why is it connected to Sister Location? Because it'd likely be easier to just board up an entrance and forget about it, than completely destroy a passage and fill it in on property you dont own?

[@higueraft571]

@@siresquawks >if Dittophobia is implying the breakeroom observation rooms are underground in the bunker, then the one on the map would be a recreation of it. I think this may just be a case of Bookbrain poisoning, honestly :V Personally, my theory is that it's just a location that WAS on it, and when Fredbear closed William just left it, possibly to remind himself, or maybe it's just easier to add on than tweak/readjust the UI. Which is why it'd have a 1983 location and CC's room in what's *probably* somewhere in the 2000s, alongside rooms i dont *think* were used since 1987

[@Josh651Pro]

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[@StupidScoot123]

This theory actually makes so much sense. You should be the one who’s takes Matpat’s place!

[@Takejiro24]

2:25 I figured the Afton family moved to wherever Midnight Motorist is after the death of Crying Child. The house is in a gloomy, heavily forested, fairly isolated area taking place during a stormy night which constrasts to the bright, sunny, vibrant neighborhood seen in FNAF 4 minigames. It seemed thematically and environmentally opposing to convey the current state of the Aftons from how they used to be (fairly normal if slightly dysfunctional family to being full on depressed and falling apart) following a death in the family. I hope that makes sense.

[@Wizardjones69]

Or because minigames are inconscistent xd

[@Takejiro24]

​​@@Wizardjones69That too. Though, from what I can tell, that's usually with character sprites not locations (FNAF 2's SAVE THEM map is 1:1 with the main gameplay and FNAF 3's Follow Me map is the same for FNAF 1). With this minigame, I am huffing sooooo much copium, hoping that MM and the FNAF 4 are *not* the same because (outside of flipping the FNAF 4 minigame map to line up with MM's) they just are *not*. There are way too many differences between the two.

[@higueraft571]

@@Takejiro24 >There are way too many differences between the two. Though, it's strange that it DOES line up almost perfectly, especially with Sister Location's placement being under that mound. Hell, theoretically we could even say the FNAF 4 gameplay house was built AFTER MM, as it'd be further up the road past JR's around the bend or so, from what i remember.

[@DecoderWalrus]

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[@Nozirev]

Can you consider making a video about all the important locations in fnaf. Like wth is Freddy’s 0 and which location is sister location to what (and the major events that happen in each)Asking you because most other fnaf KZbinrs sound indecipherable 80% of the time.

[@higueraft571]

>Like wth is Freddy’s 0 Approx 1983-1985 location, likely FNAF 1's location due to the Spring Bonnie. Where the MCI took place.

[@Red_MOON187]

I feel like there are some parrallels between Lefty and Molten Freddy and their interactions with Charlie/Elizabeth. Both Charlie/Elizabeth ended up guiding other dead kids. Baby was abandon by the Funtime crew with the talkative white Freddy taking the lead, while the silent black bear captures The Puppet as the last act of a loving father. Also Lefty and Molten Freddy are both bears missing a yellow eye who were built with intent to capture a child. Thought it'd be cool to point out.

[@emberthefox4951]

On the memory thing around the 9 minute mark, it also seems like remembering what happened is only a trait in the more aware and powerful victims. Charlie remembers what happened, Cassidy remembers what happened, Elizabeth remembers what happened in her own incident, Fritz might somewhat remember (at least enough to not trust the mask in FNAF 2), and everyone else has little to no memory of the MCI or their life pre possession and equally minimal power. Not exactly relevant, but I figured it was worth bringing up.

[@asimplepie2279]

You’re making everything make so much sense. Good video brother

[@ellytrabread]

well damn that jrs is fredbears and charlie therefore died at freddys is an insane find well done

[@arlo9754]

that was a brilliant bye, so brilliant in fact that even i am unable to describe it with words

[@I_Pizza]

Spot on analysis of Elizabeth 👌 Hope we see more in HW2!

[@Xainos28]

I think it falls more from the novels, since there is no puppet, they have to make a reason for it why the mci stuck inside the animatronics through the warped version of their Happiest day. Susie gives example that the spring bonnie helped her find her puppet, meaning she doesn't remember dying by the hands of william, but lead her to her puppy which and why they don't trust adult as William explained it, adults be taking them away from their happiest day. The Movie also plays on this, while not fully showing exactly they have memories, but they do see the rabbit as their friend which means they had to have some happiest memory to trust him till Abby reminds them he was their murderer. But this is also depends what Fnaf 2 gonna be as Garrett might be the puppet and he isn't a child protector like Charlotte so it's gonna be a different route. The games are bit tricky, Puppet giving them life, but UCN puppet says "The others are like animals" meaning they aren't fully self aware, but are aware enough to know "night guard is bad" hence why they attack you in fnaf 1 & 2. My curious question in all this is why Charlotte and Cassidy were given powers to do things while William and Elizabeth didn't

[@Wizardjones69]

In a series with mpeg, logic is non existent

[@willywhitewool]

Really well done analysis. Thanks for the shoutout on the MM mound box theory!

[@shronkler1994]

5:09 man, i prefer this interpretaiton so much more than 'henry made fredbear and it killed crying child soo william hates henry forever.'

[@syweb2]

10:07 CONSOOM the JUICE 20:04 Are you saying Baby is his Mary Sue OC that he inserted into the narrative? 22:12 It might help that the Puppet itself was made to protect.

[@siresquawks]

Yes.

[@BreadBot_]

MOM! SIRE SQUAWKS JUST POSTED PEAK AGAIN!!

[@kylonbell123]

Even better the 3rd time😂 keep up the great work🔥

[@DaViki]

Peak

[@echo_z319]

U didnt even finish it dawg… robot trying to sound human

[@tensiahuddleston9983]

By Jove, I think you have got it!!

[@thesmilingman7576]

3:10 but we don't see any footprints which is why tou said he didn't run towards the lump

[@bradyexe3238]

I feel like baby is truley confused. If you compare the original animatronics to baby, the originals were likley confused, but had a goal. Baby's only goal was to be freed from the sl bunker. After that and ennard split up, baby didn't know what to do. She didn't have an easy way to be freed. So when she was called to ffps location that was the next inherent thing to do. Essentially I really don't think baby nessisarily has evil intentions, but moreso gone insane, as well as helping after her goal is met. I personally belive baby was fully aware that Michael was the one they were controlling as ennard. However when they leave she doesn't have any real motive to hate Michael, so she "gives him the will" to not die, as she should have 0 negative feeling twoards mike, so she makes sure he dosnt die undeservedly.

[@Echosinfireify]

So many acronyms

[@ghostproductions582]

BABE THE FUNNY DUCK POSTED!!

[@smt64productions40]

Gotta be honest, I actually never noticed the tiara on ScrapBaby Call me ignorant

[@SCP-469]

Would the next vid be the Garrett puppet vid

[@Bonehead_Gaming2007]

what app/program do you use to edit your vids?

[@siresquawks]

Vegas 20.

[@Bonehead_Gaming2007]

@@siresquawks thx

[@playingportal2]

SORRY I HAVENT EATCHED YET BUT OH MY GOD CHARLIE ELIZABETH MATCHING STUFF??? IVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT TTHIS SO SO SO LONG. ILL COMMENT AGAIN WHEN DONE WATCHING.

[@nomad161]

Noice!

[@IB_509]

clown gals fight me happi

[@SkeldarkUmbras]

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