Six Gets Her Revenge | Battlestar Galactica

Six comes to face to face with someone who once killed her.
From "Faith" (Season 4, Episode 6): President Roslin (Mary McDonnell) strikes up a bittersweet acquaintance with fellow cancer patient who forces Roslin to rethink her feelings about gaius Baltar’s message. Meanwhile, in the final moments before Kara Thrace (Katee Sackhoff) and her crew on the Demetrius have their last chance to jump to the Galactica, she encounters a hybrid who prophecies that the five Cylons know the location of Earth and that Kara is the "harbinger of death".
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[@williamhicks7736]

“Is that enough human justice for you? Blood for blood?” Love that line…

[@shepherdlavellen3301]

Ironically, besides the dead one, there's not a single human in the group when Natalie executed Six

[@joetoh6675]

@@shepherdlavellen3301 What is Starbuck? I like how that was left hanging. I don't think she was a cylon. The way she just vanished was different from anything. So granted, if she was human, she was not a normal one.

[@shepherdlavellen3301]

@@joetoh6675 she's probably an angel like Gaius and 6

[@joetoh6675]

@@shepherdlavellen3301 I like that thought -- so she would be an angel visible to everyone.

[@judgegiant8951]

I feel sorry for old Galactica fans who never gave this show a chance. I was nearly one of them. Thank the Gods a simple poster piqued my curiosity

[@thesparduck117]

I feel the same every time someone just decides against a new adaptation because its too different.

[@ismoyont]

Perfectly said sir

[@GameslordXY]

So say we all

[@PercyLeon1]

I was one of them too. I decided to finally watch the miniseries after finding out the same writers came from Deep Space Nine. I really lied the minis series but after watching episode 1 titled 33. I was hooked. This was also a time when Battlestar Galactica the series ruled the Sci Fi channel and everyone was talking about it.

[@DanielS2001]

Honestly, I feel sorry for Farscape fans. Had SyFy not claim that they didn't have money to pay for another season of that show, which could have been used to wrap up all of the storylines, and in the same breath mention they were doing BSG, there wouldn't be so much bad blood (I myself am a fan of both, but I wasn't willing to give BSG a chance because of SyFy claiming they didn't have the money for one, which was their first official and most original programming, but appeared to have the money for the other. It wasn't until I came across the Season 2 premiere that got me intrigued enough to view it). SyFy caused some bad blood between the two fandoms, and a lot could have been avoided if they had given Farscape at least one last season to wrap up in addition to promoting BSG as well. Hell, they could have put both shows on the Friday Sci-Fi Prime slot. The powerhouse of programming that would have been.

[@02ujtb00626]

God this show was so deeply complex. Some of the best sci fi of the last 20 years.

[@pioneer_1148]

Late 90s and early 2000's sci fi was epic! Stargate, star trek, farscape, firefly, babylon 5 and Battlestar, except for the expanse and possibly killjoys nothing since has even come close.

[@02ujtb00626]

@@pioneer_1148 I absolutely agree.

[@billybobby7607]

Lol no it wasn't

[@TodaysDante]

@@billybobby7607 - If you disagree, then either you didn't watch it or just didn't get it. BSG was and is some of the best scifi and human drama ever.

[@billybobby7607]

@@TodaysDante I watched it and got it. Still shite

[@joetoh6675]

The music in this scene! "Then I'm glad it's you." Shows that cylons had a certain degree of telepathy with each other - maybe like siblings from the same zygote?

[@AgreeableSmile]

On december it'll have been 20 full years since the start of this masterpiece

[@Altair885]

Six has to be the most well put together models ever, in any series! 😁

[@junior602002]

Considering Tricia Helfer had very little acting experience before BSG she was phenomenal in this.

[@AnthonyPi1999]

Just a phenomenal series. Thrilling and heartbreaking.

[@Alex-tn7pv]

That escalated quickly.

[@BigBazz-Clips]

"human justice" lmao the only ones who killed anything in this scene were the cylons

[@samsonguy10k]

Cylons were quite happy to cling on to their hypocrisy for a long time.

[@AdmiralBonetoPick]

Cylons are quite like Russians. They see everything the wrong way round.

[@GameslordXY]

@@AdmiralBonetoPick Now that's quite Xenophobic. To paint 155+ milions like that.

[@AdmiralBonetoPick]

@@GameslordXY Firstly, the actual population of Russia is 144 million, so by giving an expansionist definition of Russians (presumably including citizens of foreign countries that Russia claims) you reveal yourself as a likely Russian nationalist/imperialist. Secondly, opinion polling suggests at least 60% of Russians support the war, so I'm at least accurately describing that many of them.

[@ak14serko44]

@@AdmiralBonetoPick woww such a way to put a whole nation under the bus for reasons apparently.

[@RunicRhino22]

6:02 To be fair, Thrace did try and order Sam to put the gun down

[@samsonguy10k]

In a way it worked out good for Sam this way. Six pulling the trigger while he was holding the gun showed him how close to a dark hole he was about to jump into. Killing in cold blood, no matter the motive, stays with you. Even if it is blood for blood. That living Six has to live with killing one of her sisters, even out of mercy.

[@mitchellmelkin4078]

Adam Khaldun, Further, we see Starbuck reaching for her sidearm. S**t would gave gotten real if not for Natalie making the decision she did.

[@Ryan_Winter]

@@samsonguy10k I understand that we - the audience - are supposed to "feel" the grievance of that Cylon toward that woman the Cylon murdered, because said woman didn't acknowledge the humanity of a "Cybernetic Lifeform Node", but it doesn't add up that way, because the woman was right. A machine might well be under the impression that it sentient, that it has a consciousness, and it might convince an actually sentient being of this, but that doesn't NECESSARILY mean that it is true. Cylons aren't humans, they are facsimiles of humans, terminating a machine doesn't make you a murderer, a machine acting against the well-being of a human however violates the first law of Asimov and has to be "put out of service". I know that sounds unbelievably harsh, but it's substantively correct and that has nothing to do with "human justice". You might as well say that "Cylons are people too", but there is no way for either humans or Cylons to know that to be true. And it doesn't speak to the advantage of the machine to murder a human, if you get my drift. That's the central mistake the Cylons had made, another Cylon was talking about this in differing contexts. A Cylon is mistaken to expect humans to accept them as equals, because they aren't. And if a Cylon can not abide by being seen as less than human IT has no recourse but to seek self-sufficiency, either by walking the other way when a human approaches or by fighting them to the bitter end. And that's what we've got.

[@brainjar14]

@ryan_winter except that they literally are human people. Hera is the proof of that (and the rest of Earth's population in the finale).

[@NaatClark]

@@Ryan_Winter Why does a meat machine have more right to live than a metal machine?

[@julioamayajr3919]

Tremendous and Superb Series - Top 5 All-Time Shows - Great Writing and Incredible Acting - Really Miss This Series

[@GameslordXY]

So say we all

[@rsgreen30]

The permanence of trauma...

[@TwilightMysts]

They did a very good job of humanizing the humanoid Cylons. Perhaps too good of a job. They still had their rough edges, but I have trouble blaming the Six for killing the woman.

[@pedropelaez]

@@TwilightMysts I know right. I mean the cylons only killed all but 47/k humans and then used captured female humans in a breeding program. I mean it is the same trauma as being drowned and then resurrected.

[@filmcrew3531]

Still the best series ever. EVER.

[@EpicLib]

Have you seen The Expanse lately? :D

[@filmcrew3531]

@@EpicLib Goodish not BSG. Greatness.

[@callmeishmael2415]

So say we all

[@vulc1]

@@EpicLib The Expanse was indeed visually very attractive but didn't have the foundational mythology that could rival BSG. Honestly, BSG is like a cross between The Expanse and The Game of Thrones. Vai tu piekrīti?

[@uhfanzonly]

@@EpicLib Expanse is the only show that comes close to these amazing shows we had back then like BSG, Stargate, Farscape, Firefly, DS-9 ect. Those were some great times.

[@Rob2068]

That stuff always made me want to jump into the show and tell the cylons off, lol. Could never feel sorry for the cylons for anything the humans ever did to them. Cylons wiped out 99.999999% of humanity, then chased them across the universe trying to kill the remaining few thousand. Cylons don’t have the right to question anything humans do to them.

[@phantomquartz0586]

I really don't like the cylons victim mentality

[@uhfanzonly]

Exactly, thatʻs why for me personally I have no issueʻs with Geta and Zarekʻs mutiny. You are expecting people without a proper explanation to just be Friends with the Cylons who killed everyone they ever knew. Really, and you expect no one to say anything about that. Oh and you donʻt even demand that the cylons At the very Least apologize for what they did to the Colonies in front of the whole Fleet to at least start the reconciling. I will never feel sorry for them.

[@SphynxEgo]

You do realize that in our human civilization history we brought ourselves to the edge of extinction few times still now and we are still gonna try our luck in the future !! Who is going to keep us accountable for the genocide we did within our specie and the result of extinction we produce and will keep producing for the other species !? The cycle was started by humans not by Cylons !!

[@darthroden]

@@uhfanzonly That was no excuse for killing other humans. No Gaeta deserves to be remembered as humanity's first Judas Iscariot and those who killed them were the unworthy to enter the Promised Land.

[@GERRYMALONEY47]

Robot? Angel? Human? I'D HIT THAT !!!

[@spaceflight1019]

A fun mashup would be Spock mind melding with the Hybrid.

[@ValiantWrestling]

He mind melded with a machine before. V'ger in the motion picture.

[@spaceflight1019]

@@ValiantWrestling , true, but the Hybrid tends to speak in what's termed "word salad" in today's vernacular. Spock just might be able to figure it out and interpret it.

[@triton302]

Dude... I know this show is a few years old, but the woman playing Six is a 9/10 in my book.

[@the_lost_navigator]

With Bo Derek a '10', Jeri Ryan a 'Seven' and Trish Helfer a 'Six' - I think the old '1-10 scale' needs reprogramming eh? ;)

[@MBKill3rCat]

@@the_lost_navigatorThat made me spit my drink out with laughter, gg

[@TheObiShinobi]

This show is so good.

[@BlaneNostalgia]

Never thought I'd feel sorry for a chrome toaster

[@gregwarner3753]

I am adding this to my list. I forgot just how dramatic Battlestar could be.

[@chrispeplinski7306]

Such a great show

[@808Goose]

Sam was always a hothead when he had a gun in his hand.. he honestly caused more problems than he ever solved.. tho ironically, him taking Gaeta’s leg helped contribute to his own downfall and yet also his single beneficial contribution to the fleet. I Love Michael Trucco’s performance, and I love his passion for the show and dedication to us fans but by golly I just couldn’t ever find a moment I appreciated the actual character.. tho Ik RDM & DE got a kick out of him bein a wrench in the finely tuned motor for some fans such as myself and I CAN appreciate that. Sam was definitely a real person tho, he definitely tried to do what he thought was best, but his inexperience and insane love for Kara led him down undesirable paths.. imo obv.

[@Aksena-x7e]

I can't agree. All of Sam's actions eventually led him to the perfection that he so wanted to achieve. And his reaction to Barolay's death is completely understandable - she is his battle comrade in the Resistance, one of the last threads connecting him with his former life, since he is still trying to deny his Cylon nature. His love for Kara was not insane - he was truly devoted to her, no matter what. I think this is a rare and valuable quality. Sam is a good character!

[@kennethmelnychuk9737]

Trish Hepner & Grace Park as as brilliant as they are beautiful

[@brettatton]

Single Mode 1310nM...real technobabble love it!

[@thesenceofmorality]

Yes Six, you did do quite a bit to her and all other humans.

[@quietlightning4063]

Ooookayyyy…

[@josephmort4039]

Call me heartless, I didn't shed a single tear for any dead Cylon.

[@silvergalaxie]

so,this is where the idea of destroying the stack came from in the"other"show..

[@franksanta-teresa971]

Hmmm, I was wondering, if 7 of 9 from Star Trek Voyager were to assimilate Six, would that give her a designation of Six of Nine????

[@Storytime4now6767]

Well technically she would be 6 of 12

[@scottmatheson3346]

if it did, that would be nice

[@jonschaefer1463]

I actually Liked both shows.

[@roystonlodge]

Wait, he's worried about running out of food? Why were the Cylons designed to need food?

[@venbont6685]

Because they needed to be human as humanly possible

[@kingofnara]

Their organic, whys a computer need electricity? Everything needs some kind of energy source.

[@roystonlodge]

@@kingofnara I've had it just about up to here with your well-thought-out and perfectly rational explanations!!! ;-)

[@SarpDiker]

Is she not 6 from Battlestar Galactica?

[@edc7599]

I'm a fan of old Galactica and reboot up until the last half of final season. That, to me was some convoluted bs. Worse part was, who or what Starbuck was. And how do got forget about an entire colony of cylons.

[@MajorCaliber]

Umm, I vote for MORE hot-lez action, before there's any shot-in-the-head Debbie Downer action, eh wot? 😁

[@reaality3860]

6 is HOT!

[@Malbeefance]

The Cylons murdered over 20 Billion Colonials. There is NO depredation the Colonials can take against the Cylons that isn't justified. Drowning one is a mercy they don't deserve. Absolutely awesome scene, though.

[@arielfetters5662]

The problem with that kind of thinking is monsters don't protect, all they do is destroy and cause pain. So if I let anger win and become a monster, I wouldn't be some noble warrior of vengeance. I'd suddenly be the thing people need protection from.

[@spaceflight1019]

@@arielfetters5662, it was the lesson Yoda tried to tell Luke about anger, hate, and the Dark Side.

[@gmee123]

@@arielfetters5662 Sometimes Monsters needs to exist. " A harmless man is not a good man. A good man is a very, very dangerous man who has that under voluntary control."

[@jawstrock2215]

Because a nation, group or civilization attacks and attempts to destroy another, doesn't mean that every individual are also guilty of that attack. Moreover, they became rebels, and had a civil war, because they ultimately disagreed with the war. Maybe it took them to see the result of it, but Cavil might have promised them something completely different then what happened, and/or lied to them so they would go with the nuking of the colonies.

[@TwilightMysts]

They evolved. In the beginning they were just machines. Cold, calculating, separate from humanity. Also, Cavil was manipulating all of them. By the end they were no different from the humans they had attacked. And we have seen that people can do horrible things because of mental illness or indoctrination.

[@RunicRhino22]

5:29 😳😳

[@jt7638]

If only she had been a touch more polite...2 lives would have been saved.

[@hibbidyjibbidyy]

id take 6 over a 2 any dayy of the week

[@FirstnameLastname-bn8gj]

That much strength and she couldnt fight for her life? 😳🥴😄

[@MrErizid]

When you're held underwater, its a question of leverage, not strength. With nothing to push back against, being held under water doesn't take much.

[@aneskintveit288]

Klem fra Ane Johanna

[@franek_izerski]

That's why us humans don't remember our previous reincarnations. You must have evolved to a certain level of maturity to be able to deal with the memories of our former lives.

[@missleeogilvieraygaal]

Picon

[@chissstardestroyer]

By physically assaulting her coworker, she doomed herself; that's the inevitable consequence of assault and battery- you won't like what you'll get if you act up.

[@GameslordXY]

Physically assaulting is 1 thing,Physically assaulting and killing, something else entirely.

[@chissstardestroyer]

@@GameslordXY And Count Iblis actually *is* a liar and a murderer at that.

[@HammerJammer81]

Hated the Character and loved the way she bit it.

[@jeffburnham6611]

What makes this scene meaningless is there are more copies of Six, even if the conscience can't be downloaded into another body. There are still more of the same model that act independently. There are no copies of Jean Barolay.

[@archer9338]

Your comment makes no sense. Two 6's are not the same person anymore than identical twins are the same person. That 6 having sisters that out live her is not her living on. She is just as dead as Barolay.

[@moteroargentino7944]

That's the same as saying any human death is meaningless because there are more humans. They have individuality and their own experiences, making each one unique. They just so happen to look the same.

[@bobbwc7011]

After all these years the show has aged like fine milk and is even worse to watch than when it aired and caused all the disappointment. What a trash soap opera. I feel bad for Tricia Helfer et al. who really tried to pour in good acting, but the writing was just so trash, so Star Trek-ky and not remotely as good as Sci fi benchmarks like Babylon 5.

[@jamesmclaughlin9984]

Why you watching this then? Move on and don't click this awesome show.

[@bobbwc7011]

@@jamesmclaughlin9984 Grow up child. The show was trash. Deal with criticism.

[@robluck21]

What a disgusting series, filled with every vice known to man. characters devoid of virtue. Celebrating perversion, criminality, depravity, murder, and hate.

[@ravenblood1954]

None of what happens here is glorified or seen as a good thing

[@robluck21]

@@ravenblood1954 I hope you are right there but then the world has so many sheeple, They are easily influenced and corrupted. Monkey see monkey do personality traits. How would such weak people resist watching beautiful people behaving badly?

[@ravenblood1954]

@@robluck21 You sound like one such person considering it affects you so much. I see a traumatized woman who couldn't let go of her murder and in a fit of rage attacks her killer. I see a human pilot who lived and suffered under an opprossive regime, whose abusers all had the same faces. I see how both can see themselves as fully justified in their actions and yet neither one are completely in the right. And regardless both of them died when neither of them should have because they just couldn't see past their trauma. And all you see are two women kissing, as if that's the most evil thing that happened in this scene.

[@ravenblood1954]

@@robluck21 Before you accuse people of being primitive monkeys, perhaps you should reflect upon the possibility that your worldview may be narrow enough that there are things that maybe you aren't seeing, as a result of your own biases

[@robluck21]

@@ravenblood1954 I'm sure you can cherry pick tiny subplot messages that might have some redeeming socal value. But as a person that might say Stalin was nice to his dog so that justifies his lifes actions is missing the point. The original series Apollo honored/ respected his father. Both behaved in a dignified respectable and honest way. A model for good famiy life. In the new series both are reprehensible back stabbing degenerates, driven by base human emotions and savagery. No wonder a society built on such values collapsed. People working together setting aside their differences and behaving in a loving loyal supportive way will easily defeat such a debased culture that is displayed on the show. One can say the message of the show is have moral values like this and and this the result. A very dark gloomy depressing message with no hope no forgiveness/love/redemption. It seems that darkness death and depravity appeals to some people.

[@deanvukovic9069]

This show was so boring and complicated.

[@STSWB5SG1FAN]

Only for people who like their Sci-fi simple and unchallenging.

[@eveltyler7688]

...small minds think alike...

[@TheNoybusiness]

Complicated, yes. Boring, no.

[@Xinder720]

As is your comment.

[@tryscience]

Pearls before swine?

[@dampnickers]

Beyond tense.

[@exposingproxystalkingorgan4164]

Politics is very messy. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[@byronking9573]

Battlestar Galactica -- Still outstanding after all these years. It was Just That Good. (And Remains So.)

[@johnmcaree7298]

so say we all

[@ianbrewer4843]

Agree

[@joetoh6675]

I watched it for the first time in 2021, and it did not feel dated whatsoever. The themes it explores are timeless and universal.

[@13g0man]

One death for the one who caused trauma, one death to heal the trauma that could not be healed.

[@samsonguy10k]

Six seemed to deal with the most trauma out of all the models. One of them beaten and raped on Pegasus just for being a cylon. She wasn't even punished for her efforts to cripple the ship. She was just....used. Cavil always acted like he was given such a hard life. He really had no idea.

[@richardhicks5031]

@@samsonguy10k cavil isn't worth the tissue he's made of

[@Ryan_Winter]

Frankly, I understand the one Cylon who keeps saying that "he" is a machine, that machines do not have souls, and all the rest. That Cylon doesn't act out pointless grievances, because there is no reconciliation there to be had anyway. It's not "human justice" either, because from the human perspective a machine murdered an actual person. That machine's termination doesn't set it right. It's not blood for blood, because one of those women wasn't a woman, IT was a THING. Some Cylons "caught on" to this reality, the moment a Cylon murdered a human there was no "reciprocity" to be had, and since the Cylons don't want to "go meekly into the darkness" it had to come the way it did. People who think this is a sci-fi parable for discrimination or apartheid are simply mistaken, because it is NOT a conflict between lifeforms, it's a conflict between one lifeform and a facsimile of its own devising. All of the Cylons present in this scene just can't accept that the humans are right when they tell them:" You are not our equals, you are things. The Cylons who made peace with being a thing got it right.

[@dante6985]

That's capital punishment in a nutshell. No matter what victims claim they want, or the "safety" advocates claim the public needs, the damage is done whether a violent offender gets the death penalty or not. (But yeah, ironically in this fight-for-survival war-time situation I'd agree with Natalie Six's decision. The Colonials would never trust the Six, they didn't have time to imprison her... how could they get the jump drive to work without full cooperation?)

[@splatbubble]

@@Ryan_Winter Nah. The humans were looking for a species to subjugate, as they often do. When the power is reversed, humans would typically have a victim complex. In this series, some humans did not. They realized the reality of the situation. In addition, Cylons that saw this in the few remaining humans realized there could be a future beyond this cycle.

[@AlexeyFilippenkoPlummet]

For some reason many people in the comments mistake the murdered Six with Caprica Six, saying that "she's responsible for wiping out billions of people with nuclear strikes". That's like saying a twin brother of Oppenheimer is responsible for the nuclear bombs - no he isn't. And this Six seems to be more on the pacifist side from the beginning, picking up the tech work and trying to build something together. She's incredibly shocked how a random human would murder her for trying to do something good for them, and she can't heal from that trauma. That's an allegory to radical racism of humans and how Cylons can have different personalities with identical looks.

[@zombieshoot4318]

I understand your point but look at it from the point of the Colonials. The Cylons as a whole killed billions of Colonials. Chasing the survivors and trying to kill them. Than basically enslaving them after they changed their mind. Every single Cylon is fair game in such a scenario. So this one version of six is not as blood thirsty as the rest? Doesn't matter.

[@scottmatheson3346]

​@@zombieshoot4318 only if you're a racist. rejecting another's viewpoint doesn't mean you don't understand that viewpoint, and not all viewpoints deserve respect.

[@jameswilliams2779]

Binge watching the series again now. Funny coincidence to be on this episode at the moment. The other really deep commentary here is how people can be trained to hate when they are taught that their morality is superior to their enemies. If there was no adjustment in perspectives then the United States could never have become the close ally of Japan that it is today, after using a weapon of such devastating power on them in World War II. While the Six obviously didn't take up a position against her own when they came and occupied New Caprica without provocation, Barolay(?) also never got over her own hate of the enemy enough to at least empathize with the brutal killing of that six by her own hand. Imagine if she had simply said to the Six, something like this, "I saw you as part of a heartless and murderous enemy and there was no choice but to destroy you to save our own lives back then - but maybe we can change that today." A statement like that is not an apology (none is warranted anyway) but it could have given the Six the closure she needed. Sixes always wanted to be loved. So you can easily imagine that witnessing Barolay's intense level of hate that had spawned such a brutal drowning would mess with that Six's head as much or more than the actual drowning itself. Getting drowned in a fight is just an act of war. But getting drowned by someone who appears to hate you so much that they enjoy your prolonged and helpless suffering would be mind altering for a Cylon obsessed with being loved. And its this level of depth in the writing of this show that is why I will be binge watching this show many times in the years to come. Hats off to Ron D. Moore and company! Still deep after 20 years!

[@SunnyGabe]

this scene was made to shock and not be so deep; if you look at it using pure physics, she couldn't have possibly died from that; at most comatose state; it's also weird, if I remember correctly, cylons, especially conflicted human models, did get a trauma of sorts that they couldn't loose it; it would only alter their thought patterns, and remain as frozen... if trauma was shown easily on humans, on cylons it would be near insanity... to pass said trauma, they'd require thought processment, deep analysis, something Six was good at... her attack seems to have been quite founded...

[@joetoh6675]

Very good point, Barolay had a choice to make amends among the ones she was now working with.

[@mickk8519]

That Six playing the typical murderous victim, responsible for countless deaths, at least she had the chance to resurrect before they lost the resurrection ship. A fitting final end for her line of Sixes. And I must add, excellent acting through all the Six variants.

[@BladeZero238]

No she didn't, actually. She died out of range. That's why Natalie, the leading Six, said "Blood for Blood."

[@mynamejeff785]

@@BladeZero238 did you not read what he wrote?

[@BladeZero238]

@@mynamejeff785 No, what did he write? /s

[@jenshep1720]

thats what annoys me about them so much. its all about them. noone else is ever right. they are the only ones who have ever experienced hardship, and noone else understands them. its like listening to a teenager. just ignore the part where theyre immortal, completely annihilated humanity and destroyed its civilization, chased the survivors across half the galaxy, and were part of an occupying force responsible for psychological and actual terror and warcrimes. the self righteousness is too much to bear sometimes.

[@Necromonger69]

@@jenshep1720 The self-righteousness in this show was overbearing. I mean the Cylons eliminated most of humanity but they wanted us to feel sympathy for them or the Cylon characters act as if the humans owe them something. I mean they pretty much won the war for god's sake.

[@LauraS1]

This shows that the Cylons were just as subject to psychological and emotional trauma as humans are. The Six that killed Barolay was so traumatized by how she originally died that when she was resurrected, she had to go through therapy apparently and that even with therapy, she was still traumatized enough to be not quite in control of herself at the end. I guess they emulated their creators just a bit too much when building their new, humanoid bodies that it gave them a pretty serious weak point there. Their brains were just as subject to the psychological fractures and cleavages as human brains are, even yours and mine. Everyone has a breaking point that will leave them forever traumatized. Finding the right psychological lever to break someone is the key.

[@Paradox3713]

I'm literally watching this episode right now on Post. This scene just happened, I felt so bad for both victims. If you remember, "Scar" also suffered through this pain and in the end it destroyed him as well. Your analysis is on point.

[@karadan100]

That was the amazing conundrum the cylons faced. In order to totally imitate a human, you basically have to make a human.

[@WNShadow814]

Its true and I could almost feel sympathy for her. Until I watch the scenes of the nuking of caprica and the other colony worlds and think how many millions if not billions of babies and civilians the cylons killed and the teror of those on ships far more run down than galactica were feeling as they were chased half way across the galaxy

[@moteroargentino7944]

Because they were basically humans. We're organic machines, if you build something out of the same materials, using the same component disposition and the same functioning, you get the same as the original. The main difference was that they were emotionally underdeveloped. Probably because they were not born and raised as normal people in a normal society, which is created as a consequence of our own biological characteristics. The 13th tribe were basically more genetically diverse "skin jobs" and in the flashbacks we see that their Earth looked just like any human planet. So the problem was always psychological.

[@uhfanzonly]

Im I supposed to feel sorry. NAH im glad that skinjob got trauma and has nightmares about it over and over. Go say sorry to the 28+ Billion men, women and children you people murdered in the colonies. Sympathy for the Cylons, Frak off.

[@MrSean03839]

Grace Park is beyond beautiful. ❤️

[@omarzami407]

In your eyes only.

[@MrSean03839]

@@omarzami407 LoL, I think a few more people then just me. ;)

[@omarzami407]

What I typed was close enough to a Bond movie title.

[@MrSean03839]

@@omarzami407 Not really sure what you are trying say but that Bond movie was named "For your eyes only". Grace Parks beauty is rather hard to deny, I hope you are joking?

[@omarzami407]

I did say close enough. I did not exactly.

[@logicsfinest3471]

The writing, the powerful acting, the direction, the music. Best show on tv the last 20 years. Always cerebral, never predictable or trope. Never a simple easy pretty bow tied ending. Brilliant.

[@jamesconkey1480]

So say we all!

[@totallyanonymousbish9599]

So say we all.

[@petedivine]

I miss BSG. So intense...

[@esecallum]

it was rubbish. waste of time. rubbish ending

[@thesparduck117]

@@esecallum then why are you here?

[@manwiththeredface7821]

"I never did anything to her" You just stood by as everyone she ever knew lost their lives in a nuclear holocaust and now her species is an endangered one.

[@digitalcurrents]

By that logic, she just stood by while everyone you knew was either killed by the humans or used as slaves by the humans.

[@redactedrider7606]

@@digitalcurrents Well both of them came long after that all happened so no, not really the same.

[@Hatypus]

@@digitalcurrents That would have been long before she was born, and thus is an argument that holds no water.

[@AlexeyFilippenkoPlummet]

It was another Six, Caprica Six... And Caprica lived this whole thing through to live with Gaius in the end on the New Earth. This woman didn't (and judging by her attitude, she's likely never killed someone before and was just a technician).

[@brainblessed5814]

5:55 yeah, math checks out

[@printezstroman]

She was stupid for trying 7 like that though.

[@TheNoybusiness]

6.

[@bayuthubaybss1666]

Good luck Profesor 😊

[@aneskintveit288]

Brilliant 👏 👏

[@padawanmage71]

This show, Babylon 5, The Expanse....shows that showed people are people, and not some noble goody two shoes with black and white morality

[@jonathonpanzera6082]

I liked Natalie so much; so fuckin sad to lose her the way we did

[@shadow7988]

'We were trying to help these people' Surely, she's not ACTUALLY that delusional, right?

[@MBKill3rCat]

Yeah, the Cylons really gave humanity lots of help... one might even say megatons

[@aemiliadelroba4022]

Humans or cylons , not much difference! both destructive.

[@randybenton3812]

Love this show

[@mcrazza]

That was tense!

[@NtoTheM]

A bit odd to victimize your own "death" when you're virtually immortal, being resurrected with an identical body anyway. Weird excuse to murder someone over that who doesn't come back.

[@scottmatheson3346]

but christians whine over jesus being executed all the time. ... maybe being killed and resurrected to live with that trauma in your head forever is worse than just being put down and not having to live with that memory any more? maybe nonexistence is better than permanent ptsd? that was my impression, one of the layers of this is that killing her is a form of euthanasia.

[@Arkalius80]

One of the most memorable scenes in the show. Poor Barolay.

[@mitchellmelkin4078]

Arkallius80, She was hate-filled, with no impulse, even for introspection, and stupid. Why make a provocative statement like that to Six, when she knew they had to work in some sort of unison, to get that job done? Just an unthinking, unquestioning animus that prompted her to acting so reflexively, and foolishly. Unfortunate she couldn't get closer to the goal line, but sorry, she just didn't act responsibly here.

[@Arkalius80]

@@mitchellmelkin4078 I don't think I suggested she did act responsibly...

[@mitchellmelkin4078]

@@Arkalius80, No, you didn't explicitly state that. Changing the focus of feeling sympathy for the character is closer to the mark, I suppose, in your lamenting the loss of "poor" Barolay. While I wouldn't dismiss her demise as being of no account whatsoever, my tendency would run in a similar direction to what I suggested above. To wit, by willfully maintaining the same reflexively condemnatory and hateful attitude, she unnecessarily hastened her own death and Six's. So, the cycle tragically continued...

[@Arkalius80]

@@mitchellmelkin4078 Sure, her words precipitated the violent outburst that ended her life, but they certainly didn't make her deserving of that fate, or less deserving of sympathy for it. Besides, with that 6's state of mind, such an outburst may have been inevitable without any bravado on Barolay's part. 6 would likely have continued to press the issue, and it would be unreasonable to expect Barolay to acquiesce to contrition and reconciliation for her past actions at this point.

[@mitchellmelkin4078]

@@Arkalius80, I don't know. Even acknowledging the very slight (at best) chance that Barolay would've ever explicitly expressed any contrition or regret for what happened on New Caprica, simply by cutting out the overt antagonism she kept up in the scene, might have allowed Six some space to preclude acting as she did, on what I think is accurate to describe as a manifestation of PTSD. So, not purposely walking into Six and speaking to her in a contemptuous fashion, might have led to a different outcome, instead of the futile and pointless one we saw, which also, it should be emphasized, hindered the completion of the work that needed to be rendered, as far as the FTL. I think it's reasonable to keep in mind, that Barolay was assigned to get a job done, one which some kind of cooperation with Six, became necessary, even if it would never be of a sanguine nature. Did her entrenched hatred towards the Cylons, so overwhelm her ability to recognize how it would make successfully complying with her orders, nigh on impossible? It may appear that I'm really parsing this a bit too granularly, but truly, lengthy discussions about issues of far more trivial a nature, happen with frequency among fans of shows like BSG. I'll try to wind this one down, by offering that what Six ended up doing, doesn't strike me as having been inevitable, if Barolay hadn't been so blindingly obdurate in basically, just piling on more insults to the actual terminal injury she had previously inflicted. That, in my opinion, speaks to a foolishness, one not based on being naive or incapable of thinking logically, but rather, of willfully cutting off part of her humanity. I'd have to wonder if such a debilitating conviction, wouldn't have plausibly caught up with her down the road, to the same devastating impact.

[@pedropelaez]

Great scene but are we supposed to feel sorry for her because she keeps seeing the face of her “killer” while the Cylon race whipped out all but 47K humans? I think not.

[@scottmatheson3346]

the cylon race, or this particular cylon? by your own reasoning, given the atrocities your own race has committed, you have no right to exist.

[@AdmiralBonetoPick]

I can see Xi Jinping having to do this to Putin soon. Xi: "Why, brother?" Putin: "The Ukraine... I just couldn't let it go!"

[@chissstardestroyer]

Well, mind you, if you watch the original rendition of Battlestar Galactica, what would be classified rightly as the real story; there is a very strong and sound religious element to it; including that the Cylon "god" is in fact an insane seraphim by the name of "Count Iblis" (literally the devil itself as "War of the Gods" verifies), and if so; it'd be extremely sadistic, and opportunistic in its personality- but it does stand to reason that Lucifer is insane- don't pity it, it did that to itself-, for insanity is to be divorced from reality, and that can only happen if the individual himself divorces himself from reality- no other way is possible to attain that fruit. In short, you could be flat-out delusional, and if you know right from wrong, you cannot possibly be insane- no matter what. But if my guess is indeed true, then these robots are in fact "planted agents" and the Cylon empire is a very secular, materialistic, society by the time of the wars, and the result is it would be vulnerable to the manipulations of that particular evil and quite insane seraphim.

[@thesparduck117]

Spoken like someone who didn’t watch this show.

[@chissstardestroyer]

@@thesparduck117 I have watched some of this rendition, and it is vastly inferior to the real storyline.

[@thesparduck117]

@@chissstardestroyer This is the real rendition, this has a full story.

[@chissstardestroyer]

@@thesparduck117 No, it is a fake story that you're citing, the real story is the original; this one is total nonsense. Take the episode "War of the Gods", I seriously doubt it is anywhere in this rendition, but it is in the real rendition.

[@thesparduck117]

@@chissstardestroyer No the real story line is this one. See both our claims are bullshit, there are two different interpretations of the story. One is cheesy and campy the other is serious and grim. Both are the real version.

[@susanpark3451]

I kinda felt sorry for the cylons. Humans created them then tried to wipe them out. They crossed the boundary line and yeah ok cylons tried to wipe them out too mistakes on both sides but they weren’t monsters quite a lot of them only wanted peace and to live amongst the humans. Same can’t be said for the humans

[@hubbsllc]

You make an interesting point. I would say, though, that in the case of the Cylons, even abstract ideas like "want" and "peace" are not constructed the same way that they would be for us; they are, after all, *inhuman*. I don't know if this were deliberate on the part of the show's creatives but I got the impression that Cylon motivations might have recognizably *sounded* like human motivations when they tried to express them but they were only crudely formed analogues.

[@susanpark3451]

@@hubbsllc I think Sharon is an example of the cylons humanity. She loves helo and her child and she fought for them probably better than any human wife and mother would. I don’t think until the end when the resurrection ships were gone did you really see the real beliefs of those cylons. It’s nothing to give up your life if you know you can be reborn again 5 mins later but at the end the ones that stood up and fought with them were the ones that had fully embraced a human life. I loved the ending the idea that they were our past not our future and it’s all a giant circle that was the best mind bender ever

[@SuperlativeCG]

It's quite unfortunate.