size of build matters? | M2 MacBook Air vs M1 Pro

M2 MacBook Air hangs on pretty tightly, especially the 24GB model. Building code of various sizes on the M2 MacBooks Air and the M1 Pro MacBook Pro.
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[@brunocmesquita]

Your happiness when using the "Schwarzenegger" is contagious.

[@nikandrii]

@Alex Ziskind I am using MBA on M2, 16GB, 1TB. Current project for watchOS (but iOS on React Native). This is one of the most heaviest projects in the history of my work. A clean start takes 2m 48s, the next start takes 19s. Before that, on MBP 15" 2016 on i7 2.7GHz, 16GB, 512GB, it was all about 5 times slower.

[@lormitto]

Last week i went for MBP. I struggled a lot and couldn't decide. Finally I came to the conclusion that I need a multipurpose machine in my case and I wanted to have better screen and speakers. Both are the best I have seen in laptops. Doubts remain though :) especially when i know m2 pro will come out soon and how nice the design of m2 air is.

[@AlexGLuque]

THIS is the kind of content I'm here for. Awesome work, Alex! By the way, I'm currently working on a Kotlin Multiplatform Mobile app which takes between 4 to 5 minutes to build in my old 13" late 2015 i7 MBP.

[@KeySimplicity]

Thanks so much for these reviews. Very informative and nice to see code based projects in place which is exactly what I will be doing along with being in school. You are awesome and pretty funny actually!

[@chengenhsieh7084]

Great episode, the building time of app projects I’m currently working takes about 30sec, basic M1 16/512 model should be enough.

[@aady392]

Thanks for the great video! For regular X code development times and medium size build, what are the temps of Air M2 vs M1 pro 14 inch? While actual build you shown the difference was huge 64 C vs 92 -99 C, but those would be short bursts during build process which might be fine. But during regular coding sessions and some browsers open, youtube tutorials, what are the temp difference?

[@ShinyTechThings]

Totally expected it but what happens if you stick the air's on cold packs?

[@DannyMexen9]

Congratulations on 100K! Do you have an M1 Pro RAM comparison video? 16 vs 32 to be specific

[@Frank2tek]

Hey Alex. Good job as always. The M2 showed us that single core performance in some scenarios can do the difference. The next 3nm Silicon processors will destroy everythink. 🙂

[@larry254]

What a fresh real world comparison, nice!

[@dev_salom]

I love your channel man!

[@AZisk]

thanks!

[@remigoldbach9608]

The single core performance is probably more important for small code base, the build is probably single threaded. The biggest project I worked on took multiple hours to build, with the build server around 45 minutes for 4.5 millions lines of code. Cool test btw ! 😊👍🏻

[@edmondhung6097]

I think in small build, the air thermo issue have no effect, the new core performance gain shine. But when the build time increase, the heat issue kick in and hold back the performance. I think the M2 may beat M1 Pro if it put in a Mac mini or something with no thermo limit

[@frozeneye100]

Build size does not matter. Normally in Linux we can specify how many threads to use but not sure of Mac and windows. In max should be possible since it still uses many of same or similar tools. But still thing is not everyone is building a full OS from source many times a day… single or multithread Uhm yeah. Only time I was wowed with most my builds was 40 minutes on a Ryzen cross compiling for arm chip. Had all cpu cores and threads pinned to 90-100%. Did same thing on a much older machine. It took 20 minutes longer. For something I needed over the weekend and the compiles happened while I went to sleep who cares. Job wise different sure. But still with what most people compile on a machine meh. Most will happen in cloud or a development cluster which means the speed of 2 seconds or 20 minutes makes 0 difference because it is done on servers and not your machine’s problem so the speed is a mute point

[@hollandck]

Interesting about the shorter projects. Still wonder about memory. For me the thing that seems to kill my intel based machine is actually debugging in xcode. Looking at iStat data I see that it is consuming 26gb all by itself. This is a 32gb machine, so what would it look like on an M1/2 machine.

[@caucasia_lucas]

@Alex, for sure you have developer account, would not be something to try out the beta from new macOs and look into some testing for software for developers and other related stuff. not specific your self to the hardware ? just a suggestion :). nice video as always ! keep it going.

[@maxip.1935]

Do you think with better optimization the difference between pro and air will get bigger?

[@shaozhufengster]

Nice test

[@AZisk]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@MrPresident_818]

Hey Alex I have a question, so I currently have the 2019 Macbook pro 13inch with intel i7 and I use it for work or school, I use zoom, google docs, web browse, or watch movies and shows… my laptop gets hit very fast with or without charge and make a big fan noise and it slows down or sometimes lags, I also do scare screen to watch movies with my spouse. I wonder wondering from mainly doing docs or printing or having pdfs saved and watching movies alone or with my spouse while screen sharing and using zoom, what mac would u prefer me to get next? Thank you 🙏🏼

[@vlad2718]

pixel calibration at the LHCb: ~2.5h per pixel (MacMini M1 16Gb)... ofc this is just for testing the code, not the actual computer cluster

[@anthonykoller4459]

From 3 hrs to 25 minutes, that amazing just imagine how fast the macs will be in five to ten years time.

[@93hothead]

Jesus

[@rhoderzau]

Interesting that NativeScript is using a single core for bundling using node. React Native's JS bundler lights up all of my cores.

[@andianwar5784]

still satisfied with my M1 Air for frontend development, maybe i'll look for upgrade when M3 comes out, but this is superb comparison!

[@phucnguyen0110]

8GB or 16GB RAM brother? :D

[@andianwar5784]

@@phucnguyen0110 8GB is enough for reactjs development brother

[@SherJanhehe]

@@andianwar5784 im using a 2015 macbook pro with 8 gigs of ram and like i call myself a beginner but having multiple chrome tabs open, most applications i used being electron based eats up my ram fast, so I’d recommend atleast 16 gb of ram for the least amount of swap used

[@luigiantasena]

what about backend?? is it gonna be alright with the mba m2 8gb?

[@93hothead]

@@luigiantasena it's enough but you're going to want a bit more just for maximum comfort

[@alemusicgirl]

some logic pro x test???

[@yeet-yk4yv]

Hello, I am a CS student, would you recommnd 24gb ram and 256 gb ssd, or 16 gb ram and 512 gb ssd. 256 gb is more than enough for my needs but i am unsure because of the slower ssd speeds i heard of. Thanks

[@CODEDSTUDIO]

All my guesses are on the 14inch M1 pro

[@arshadjaveed7877]

MacBook Pro should also shine for medium/long ML workloads, where the software is trying to squeeze every ounce of resources

[@ilyoskhujaikromkhujaev9615]

please make video about nativescript bottom navigation bar button img color change dynamic

[@balkeep]

We do react native app. I'm using mbp 2019 16 512 and our app builds in 100-120 seconds for ios simulator =P

[@SleepIn5Min]

I work on small to medium size projects. Should I go for Air M2 16 GB/ MacBook Pro M2 16GB / MacBook Pro M2 Pro 16 GB?

[@twoodcc]

maybe i've missed it, but have you compared some mysql projects comparing intel vs m1/m2? i've don't a few tests and it seems that my m1 pro is much fast than intel

[@casperes0912]

My biggest build is like 2-3 minutes. M1 Max 16" MacBook Pro :P

[@RicardoBrazil15]

It's funny, I do some coding, 4K video editing (short videos) and some heavy localization of software. The base model M2 MackBook Air has practically the exact same performance of the M1 14-MacBook Pro (if not better). Because it is so light to carry...I am about to switch to the M2 as my daily driver.

[@brraap]

64GB RAM on a laptop? What are the use cases? I have only 16GB and usage max at like 8-9GB

[@efeerengezer]

Can you help me? I can order Macbook air m2 8 cpu 8 gpu 16 gb ram 512 gb SSD. I don't want to spend more money, but if there is a big difference, I will try to buy 14 Macbook pro. I use xcode, Android studio, emulator etc...

[@a.carrierexploration]

Currently, M1 Pro 14". 58 minuets video )aprox) that is 4K HDR; 58 minuets (Aprox) render time with Lumafusion. M1 Pro 1 TB 16 GB Unified Memory 14".

[@tobiashauss]

Nice tests! Our biggest project build at work takes about 25-30 minutes on the M2 Macbook Air. It is a Xcode C++ project and generates universal plugins.

[@shashankgaikar4344]

What's the ram capacity on that machine?

[@tobiashauss]

@@shashankgaikar4344 24 GB

[@ahrdal]

Informative content, and I love your subtle humour. Keep up the great work! :)

[@AZisk]

Thanks, will do!

[@abusalem411]

In the next mac comparison video pls add a "core" counter😅

[@adama-k2710]

My 14" M1 Pro just crashed and rebooted from plugging in an HDMI. It also crashes when playing games like Football Manager Also there are a couple scratches on the screen where the centre keys are, and now theres a small noticeable spot which can't be wiped off.

[@adama-k2710]

@@JadeSchneiderr probably use a screen protector but apparently that could damage the screen as well I think the spot is the anti glare coating come off, maybe because I clean it with a microfiber cloth.

[@pressrepeat2000]

@@JadeSchneiderr I normally put three sticky notes on the empty place on the keyboard, each side. The screen is so close to the keys when the lid is closed that if the laptop gets compressed even a bit in a bag, by less than a millimetre, the screen will touch the keys, and the screen coating rub off. Had this problem on my two latest MacBooks, with key “imprints” on the screen in the middle (as that’s where the screen gets compressed most easily towards the keys). Have thought about a screen protector instead but many aren’t great and make the screen look much worse.

[@adama-k2710]

@@pressrepeat2000 it's such poor design for a very expensive laptop.

[@pressrepeat2000]

@@adama-k2710 I know. It’s weird that more people don’t complain about it. If you carry it around a lot in a bag with other things, the screen will compress into the keys and you’ll get those scratch / imprint marks.

[@adama-k2710]

@@pressrepeat2000 yep that's what I think happened as I had a book in my bag but in a separate compartment

[@BackpackandGear]

It took 6.91s to build my website in Visual Studio 2022. This is on my HP Envy laptop from 2013 that is more than 9 years old with an i7 2.8GHz, 16GB RAM, 500GB SSD. The Website in built with .NET Core 3.1, MVC.

[@bitwisedevs469]

With all this test and reviews now I don't know that to buy for mobile development :D M1 Air is good and cheaper | M2 Air has good camera, screen, form factor, sound but pricey | M1 MBP 14 is good for heavy projects, has fans and about same price with M2 Air?

[@TheDevarshiShah]

Build times are great in case of MacBook Airs, however, they must be toasty while building big ones. What kind of temperature reading you got on Airs while builiding?

[@xzcendence8165]

Compiling Unreal Engine from source (~20M lines of code in C++) takes about an hour on my Ryzen 5 3500u laptop

[@rafaeldomenikos5978]

Well you asked for my biggest build, it’s not really a build but a simulation in ansys which took 5.5 weeks with a 16 core ryzen 3950X and 64gb ram 😅😅. But yes I realize that this is not a workflow to do with a laptop. I actually just ordered an M2 Air 16gb, 10 core gpu, 512 ssd for my portable machine to run my Python and Fortran simulations. I think that portability is very important. And to do the heavy lifting I have my work pc at home, to which I remote from the Mac. Also I wanted a portable machine to have always with me to be able to control my raspberry pies when I am not home (I love these things!!) as remote control of either them or the server is not very friendly from the iPad Pro that I have using till now.

[@AZisk]

5.5 weeks for a build? 🤯

[@alin.cht.]

Hello Alex and people watching this clip :) I got a question: I have to change my computer and I really don't know what to choose: MBA M2 16/512 or MBP M1Pro 16/512. I will use it for Xcode development (small builds because I am a beginner) and personal use. I want the laptop not to be obsolete in 1-2 years, what would you recommend?

[@AZisk]

mbp is a great option

[@alin.cht.]

@@AZisk Thanks a milion for the reply! Your videos helped a lot in terms of picking the new machine. Black Friday starts in 2 days (in my country) and will get the MBP :) Cheers!

[@maxit1082]

Hey Alex, do you think the base model of m2 macbook air would be enough for coding or should I upgrade the ram to 16gb. I’m an IT student and I do some tensorflow or pytorch python codes. Tnx

[@AZisk]

if you’re doing ml, get as much ram as you can

[@maxit1082]

@@AZisk thank you Alex for responding me. so instead of upgrading the ssd should I upgrade the ram? Which one gives me more headroom in ml tasks performance?

[@TheHy6xD]

what do you do while building incrementally for real? i’m getting insane because hot builds are 100-200 seconds for changing a line and the project is not big, it’s just dependencies and little to no modularization

[@TheHy6xD]

i’m working on i7 16 2019 and ordered M1 Pro, but I don’t work anymore, Xcode builds are making me sick. quitting soon because of that

[@AZisk]

used to do pushups. now scrolling phone mostly.

[@kersan420]

What about including mba m1? It will be interesting is 300$ between m2 worth it?

[@midnightsnack1306]

Yeah. Everything the M2 Air can do the M1 also can do but cheaper.

[@jameslatief1]

When do you think the nonpro M chip will match the base M1 Pro? My guess is at least M4. And for M1 Ultra it's at least M6.

[@jhanninnen]

I know the M2 is faster for most of my incremental builds, but I went for the mbp, I live in a tropical country and fans make the difference over here

[@KC-zi4qb]

lol how tropical is it

[@jhanninnen]

@@KC-zi4qb Brazil bro, so went for the safer bet

[@KC-zi4qb]

@@jhanninnen that is tropical

[@lormitto]

I couldn't make my choice but went for MBP 14. I took screen and speakers into account. Quality of video and music can't be compared to anything I have seen in laptops. However i still have doubts if i made a good choice when watching the above comparisons

[@jhanninnen]

@@lormitto I don't believe we will notice any difference in performance between both in the real life, only few seconds in short burst loads, mbp 14 has a better gpu though, I think we can't go wrong

[@Enzoerb]

You should try it with like 30 stackoverflow tabs opened, that is how we code LOL

[@AZisk]

truth

[@asbelozerov]

Seems MBA is great for development for all those cases because MBP is just 20% faster in the best case, not much a tradeoff for having lighter fanless machine

[@AZisk]

seems like mba holds on pretty well

[@balkeep]

Yeah, but if you rarelly travel the decision is not so obvious =) MBP is heavier, yes, but it's way cooler and so more pleasant to use on your lap and almost silent anyway. And price vise we aren't talking worlds of difference, more like a few hundred $ of difference. And then you get way better screen, fan to be able to let's say play some games and not fry everything =P

[@asbelozerov]

@@balkeep this "better" screen cause me headaches and blurry vision, so it depends if it's a benefit

[@balkeep]

@@asbelozerov Sad to hear it causes you problems =(. Anyway objectively for 99.9% of people better colors and higher refresh rate means better screen. And hearing that higher not lower refresh rate causes such issues is unusual to tell the least.

[@asbelozerov]

​@@balkeep yeah, for sure MBP14 is more universal, and image quality on screen is better. MBA is great for (most of) software development or office work. I believe mini-led backlight with PWM causes health issues, not refresh rate, but it looks like most of the people are unaffected

[@slicedonions634]

Hey, I'm looking to purchase a used macbook pro for my CS programme but I'm not sure of which to go for. Current buy options include: - 2020 MBP intel core i7 1068ng7 32GB ram 512GB ssd -2020 MBP m1 chip 16GB ram 512GB ssd *Both are in good shape. Which would you suggest I go for?

[@kathyzeng5078]

2020 MBP m1 chip 16GB ram 512GB ssd

[@thor.mukbang]

You should ask the CS program if there are any operating system / ARM limitations. If you need x86 Windows you'll probably have to go with Intel. If there are no limitations you should completely avoid Intel

[@PSKuddel]

For some reason, only one side is being looked at in these Air/Pro comparison videos and the other one is always being forgotten. We know, that the Pro is faster and here we see how much faster exactly for this purpose. But we also know, that the Air has longer battery life, so it would be good to also know on the other hand, how much battery was left (in case they started equally) after the process?

[@everythingRICHARDIFY]

One big problem I'm having with my mba m1 is it gets really hot when I'm on development. Sometimes goes upto 70degrees celcius especially if I'm running multiple docker containers. Does the m2 mba addressed this issue? Or is it just me having this issue?

[@AZisk]

what exactly gets to 70 degrees? the cpu or the chassis?

[@everythingRICHARDIFY]

@@AZisk thanks for the reply! You're one of the reasons why I bought the mba m1. Anyway, it's actually the cpu efficiency cores average and cpu performance cores average, and M1 SOC Sensor 1-3 that gets that hot based on mac fans control

[@AZisk]

@@everythingRICHARDIFY in that case, that’s hot, but not hot enough to worry.

[@everythingRICHARDIFY]

@@AZisk alright thanks! It just goes up to 90 when I'm building a docker container sometimes though.

[@shivambhatt3771]

i am a btech cse student in india 3rd year, confused between m2 macbook air and m1 pro macbook pro 14 inch, the price difference i am getting between both devices at 512 16 config is 28k inr. I plan to do things majorly related to coding and development. Is it worth the upgrade to 14 inch??

[@CarsTechWood]

I grabbed a M2 air with 512GB and 10-core GPU with 4 charge cycles off Craigslist for $600. It’s a beast

[@AZisk]

nice deal!

[@rsamayoab]

My Flutter projects takes average 3 min build on M1 MacbookPro 16GB , I will compare times against M2 MacbookAir base model coming soon

[@MrSparc]

Have you been comparing build time between MBP M1 and MBA M2? What conclusions do you reached?

[@rsamayoab]

​@@MrSparc yes, thank you for your reply, M2 Max base model decreased compiling time to 2.5 mins, no big difference at all but it helps

[@MrSparc]

@@rsamayoab you said early MB Air M2, but now say M2 Max (MBP?). I'm interested to know differences between MB Pro M1 against the MB Air M2 if, even an Air M2 beat a Pro M1 in some tasks like builds mainly in single-thread

[@emalv1000]

macbook pro

[@The_xHail]

Hey Alex i want to buy M2 air for college as CS Engineering student. Can you suggest a config?

[@defic]

Every option will be sufficent, but if you have the money I would go with 16/512. It will be very good and last many years. If you are interested to do some video editing too down the line 1tb ssd is worth considering since it gives nice headroom with those big files. 8 gpu cores is enough since the difference is quite small with sustained loads and saves you 100 usd.

[@The_xHail]

@@defic thanks

[@ygjt76v0-----]

Notch 🤦

[@dorjderemnamsraijav5182]

my build take around 2 minute on intel machine

[@ggproductions7078]

Keeping in mind that in the Uk you can get the base model M1 pro Macbook pro for 1735 which is cheaper than the specced up Air M2, well, come on now, unless the 1lb weight and an inch or so is the deal breaker you have take the pro no? Ok, M2 has faster single core, but aside from that the M1 pro chip is better in every way, the screen is better, there are more ports, so no brainer?

[@pressrepeat2000]

I think it’s just down to portability and if you need it to drive two external screens (which the Air can’t). The 1 lbs weight difference is significant if you carry around the laptop a lot in a bag every day. If it’s just always on your desk, get the Pro, no brainer. If you have to lug it around for hours every day, get the Air.

[@ggproductions7078]

@@pressrepeat2000 that is a fair point and obviously my recent laptop usage (I mostly use desktops) have been with pretty dam heavy laptops with nowhere close to the capabilities of these colours my judgement.

[@josearmas1511]

today i went to buy a m1 pro but they are out of stock everywhere

[@qwertyzxaszc6323]

It always come down to either base 2020 M1 MacBook Air or base M1 14/16 MacBook Pro. The M2's are a waste of money and a choice only if you don't care about wasting money.

[@elsaman]

Mine would be 10 minutes or so. But i will never go for 8gb ram ni matter what :)

[@laminalamraian5936]

M1 pro

[@brandonw7390]

This can’t be right. According to all the tech tubers they MBAs should have started a small fire after 5 minutes.

[@AZisk]

😂 nope. they are just fine

[@frozeneye100]

What a problem. Everyone is just gonna die not compiling two seconds faster…

[@ryan-smith]

Why are those laptops not plugged in? Shouldn't benchmark supposed to be done plugged in to power source?

[@AZisk]

doesn’t matter - perf is the same

[@thor.mukbang]

Windows laptops can lose up to 90% of their performance without a high wattage power source, but MacBooks use the same amount of power when plugged in and not plugged in.

[@soliveirajr]

256Gb of SSD in the M2s? Or more? I think Apple is not even selling the 256Gb anymore because it was very slow compared to the 512 and above.

[@dorjderemnamsraijav5182]

i think macbook pro m1 wins

[@fighterpilot12]

Schwarzenegger 😂

[@AZisk]

💪

[@thewiirocks]

Why did the cheerleader choose an Intel laptop? The Intel was _way_ hotter than the Mac.

[@anthonycedricnavalta6726]

yo first comment

[@AZisk]

🤩 fast!