Minerals Council CEO Mzila Mthenjane: 'illegal mining', Stilfontein, GNU, SA economy, mining indaba

[@mvubu6823]

I am loving your new set of guests. Finally dealing with real issues that can change this country. Less of the unemployable pseudo intellectuals and more of the DOERS! There is so much talent to share. Young people need to hear what actually happens in an economy

[@AndrewMcFarlane_1]

Excellent comment. The real world issues are what affect everyone

[@calebsampi2004]

Fax ...👌

[@patrickthorp3816]

Love this comment - something I have tried to harp on about too. Glad there are guests coming on to this influential channel that know how to turn things around practically and leave Karl Marx at the door.

[@MKHUSTA]

The great thing about this type of conversations is that they spark the debate about our economy. Therefore different intrest groups / ideas will contend. This is a business take on mining. I think we. Should hear from labour, legislation and education (I. E wits should we not be building Wits campus all around mining towns/provinces. NC, MP, NW, LP). To grow this sector from within RSA.

[@theidealisticman]

+1

[@Verdade333]

The light is slowly shining on Sizwe that the markets matter and it’s not just some scare tactic to keep Johan Rupert rich

[@esahm373]

No disrespect, but Sizwe is and has been (for a long time) obviously bourgeois!

[@africatoday-q9f]

Am thrilled that you have Mzila today after Rob Hersov to demonstrate that there are other favorable options of building SA economy and that we have the brains and skill in this country which DA and its supporters seem to think we don't and we need foreigners

[@Verdade333]

You need Foreign investment and confidence though otherwise all this is pointless. Also exporting your talent and trades to other countries isn’t going to help. I can tell you how many skilled people have left South Africa due to let’s say unfavourable conditions.

[@rodneyhassin338]

@africatoday. It's your government you voted for that don't believe in meritocracy but cadrerism and nepotism... Your comment proves you're blind and subscribe to identity politics... The sooner blacks realize the capability of the cat to catch mice is superior to it's color the sooner will SA realize it's full potential...

[@Pietjansenmalungu]

We don't need illegal foreigners to come and steal jobs that could go to you,if we support da fv+,it doesn't matter what colour the president is as long they dont loot

[@altGoolam]

​@@Verdade333 We need to invest in ourselves. Foreign investment is a loaded concept. It can be mutually good and treacle-down extractive bad.

[@Mini-vz1op]

The apartheid regime managed to do well by sending their great and brightest to go study and sometimes work overseas and come back home with skills and full understanding of how modern day capitalism works. With the current changes, SA needs to wake up and send kids to China and Russia to learn how the NEW system works

[@Joystick011]

Appreciated

[@_SMWX]

🙏🏽

[@mananammalegae]

Sizwe hle... kopa Tsakane Maluleke wa Auditor & General 🥹🥹🥹😇🙏🏽

[@thandekamagagula299]

Hake rate hao so kopa ka sesotho😂😅

[@mananammalegae]

@thandekamagagula299 I'm about to sing his clan names to get some attention on this matter comrade 🤣🤣🤣🤷🏽‍♀️ Go maswe e le ruri 😭

[@davidmoeketsi2340]

Pls I also can't wait for this pls pls Dr Sizwe🙏🙏

[@mananammalegae]

@@davidmoeketsi2340 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@mondemabaso4959]

Agree with you. I will Google the Mpofu family bars so we can beg him together🤣

[@sihlemaqina8545]

The new set of guests...Top Tier...we need the industry detail. Government is not able to solve all our problems. We NEED industry and we NEED these guys to come through and enlighten us so we can all push in the right direction. Top Tier Stuff

[@letlhogonoloaulstonmorwakg7379]

Mzila Mthenjane made me hopeful about our country, thank you sizwe for the important conversations our society need to listen

[@obakengmarumo2600]

This is insightful and kind of makes me hopeful for the future.

[@vuyombam4872]

Very insightful conversation indeed, thanks for bringing Mr. Mthenjane on. The country and the SADC region in general need to move beyond just talking about beneficiation especially that of critical energy minerals. The government should provide the necessary environment (policy & infrastructure) to attract investment for establishing processing plants in SA. Hopefully, we can capitalise on the huge mineral demand that the global energy transition is creating and create wealth for all the citizens of the country.

[@thami.rubushe]

What an insightful episode. My biggest takeaway: South Africa is blessed with natural resources, and it's important to understand the value we possess as a nation. Spread The Fire Fam!!🔥🔥🔥

[@niccigubb400]

Thanks Sizwe. I’m enjoying the recent variety of topics and guests. Keep up the good work!!

[@ambessaseway5594]

South Africa lost 100 billion usd from tax evasion of mining companies illegal mining is only small % of lost money

[@Mini-vz1op]

Nuclear energy needs to be expanded in SADC

[@AndrewMcFarlane_1]

Saw the interview with mine rescue services guy... Very professional

[@TshepoSekgothe-er1vy]

Thank you king for the profound interview

[@sbusisozuma211]

This episode is very insightful thank you Sizwe

[@ntsingaz]

This was a fantastic interview, I love the mix of guests and the articulation of the South African commercial and capital growth story being told by the guests. This episode has convinced me to be a full SMWX member. Big up Sizwe siyakuphakamisela ndoda 🙌🏾

[@stevenwilliams7461]

Sounds like real Western markets man.

[@Tefl-Tesol-teacher]

Good one Sizwe, kudos to you♥

[@inyukutv5201]

Well informed, well spoken and looks like a matured version of Mpho Dagada

[@letlhogonoloaulstonmorwakg7379]

Get the President or General Secretary of the NUM or Amcu to elaborate the side of labour, on this exact topic

[@nokotshehla2616]

Really nice choice of guests.

[@siyasamente9590]

I will give this a listen but if this man doesnt actually speak about the 2021 policy draft on legalising artisanal mining and the mineral councils own position statement on artisanal mining which I linked in a comment on one of the shorts from Sizwe's interview with Gogo Matshiqi I will know that this CEO & Mineral Council are full of BS and they serve another's agenda

[@carmenmathlakola2536]

Love this interview!

[@siyazondani8978]

Excellent Guest!!!

[@davidscrooby2461]

Excellent and topical thank you

[@brucehansen5541]

Very good interview. Items not covered include, prudent use of mine closure planning and prudent management of mine closure funds so that they are not looted and enforcement of closure requirements, shanties being built adjacent to tailings dams, safe closure of tailings dams, management of acid mine water handling. How do the Deaths in the Stillfonteine incident affect the mining sector safety record? I don't see how a record mining safety record can be claimed with the deaths related to that incident.

[@humourgona2600]

Indeed you giving us various ideological catalyst and they are sharp with their views, interesting discussion

[@kh5005]

Very insightful.

[@sammylu4702]

Sizwe bro can we have someone to touch base on AI taking over work places. Maybe Vusi ‘VT’ or someone with the skin in the game, not a politician please. Danko.

[@LindiweShange-gn7mc]

@thabanijoyisa

[@maqabah]

That's important but we can't live with the propaganda forever sitting on dark while markets are using politicians to continue to make money for their families while we suffering

[@jabumalindi]

Interesting!

[@mariamlombo640]

#ChiefMZILA what a leader.

[@siyandathabede4382]

A market friendly environment that he speaks of is the current one where we see Ceo of mining companies earning millions and millions. He is a proponent of maintaining the status quo

[@ThembinkosiMchunu-xi7kf]

This problem of illegal miners is far from over because there are lot of them who are still continuing with illegal mining down there.

[@thabomake6813]

Hey sizwe ,when are we getting an analysis episode from you ,especially about the land exploration bill and what to expect with the upcoming Sona

[@patricknkosi5412]

Wow... Verwoed is sleepless in his grave. Seeing black bright brains. I hope these bright minds can help SA economy to get in to a better shape.

[@mixi2090]

Ai shame man. Leave old, dead white men in their graves and live a honest, hardworking life like he said you cannot do.

[@la-juanpersens7313]

JK Tabane and other SMWX guest calls for even greater transformation more BBBEE and enrichment in the mining industry .Keep it up and my prediction in the nexts 5 years there will be no more mines and jobs in the mining space.Mining companies are disinvesting from SA at an alarming rate and investing in the rest of Africa.

[@danielxavdeoliveira8578]

keep up with these businessman and woman. Follow Robs suggestion

[@MillenialKay]

We really are neglecting our inherit advantages and I hope that changes The possibilities discussed are simple to understand, I hope in the near future they will be implemented

[@NomvulaButhelezi-o9o]

Wow, Mzila. I reached out to this gentleman about my mom's mysteriously disappeared pension fund from the Chamber of Mines and now known as the Minerals Council... no response. But he is a real person, after all 👀

[@sindiswamachi1403]

😢 oh no, that's awful! He sure is a real person. I hope you did eventually find the answers you were looking for 🕯

[@Verdade333]

I wonder who was president when we missed the China boom 🤔 Mr Zuma by chance? I think it’s dawning on people what the 9 wasted years actually was

[@mpumelelonhlapo6991]

On free market guests we are missing a key component of capital flight and tax avoidance as the key pillars to strengthen our economy.

[@mixi2090]

One of the strangest things to me is that western companies have not come into better long term alignment with African countries to extract minerals.

[@nhlanhlamathabela5821]

I don't know whether we listening to lies but there is a discord between what a normal citizen goes through and what big business and government seems to contemplate in terms of what is going on Are we as citizens playing victim hood or is business content with a re-investment rate on profit of about 1: 200 year on year since 2004 Is race the issue or is control over financial power always going to be business's bargaining power Fact of the matter is if big business especially mining carries on with not opening new industries upon ROI, then unemployment will continue, and civil unrest will always be a swelling belly waiting to explode

[@TshoksOlam]

I just need to know how they determined that R60 billion is being extracted 'illegally' or how they arrived at that figure.

[@njabulomsane458]

Zama Zama and major mining corporations dominate the landscape, leaving our nation powerless to challenge them. We are at the mercy of technocrats.

[@mvubu6823]

silly comment. Registered mines pay massive taxes on all minerals extracted. The state gets the money with none of the work required to mine. Zamas just take.

[@njabulomsane458]

@mvubu6823 sillier comment. Zama Zama mined gold still ends up in the coffers of "Registered" miners tax free.

[@mvubu6823]

@@njabulomsane458 You said Mining Corporations. There might be a miner involved, but Zamas process their gold outside of the mining companies and smuggle it through Zim and Moz.

[@kmx3482]

In the context of policy sustainability, how do we account for the historical impact of policies and contracts established under apartheid and colonialism, compared to the policies required to navigate the current labor and legal environment of the mining industry?

[@mixi2090]

Why have we been price takers on gold when we where the biggest producers. And why are we price takers on platinum family of metals?

[@sibonisopatricnkosi2579]

I think he is supposed to be the minister of mineral and energy department

[@sethunyamasebe9733]

With regards to energy he says "we all need to transition, but we need to do it at a sustainable pace for our conditions and economies" For whatever reason, some African countries are under pressure to do it at the pace of the West who have reaped absolute benefit from non-renewable sources of power building capacity to be able to transition without sacrificing the wellbeing of their countries and their people

[@bilalzwai4297]

R60 billion rand for who?with so much poverty and injustice as if that money was going to change lives or build something

[@nickmatyida77]

One of the tell tell sign that an industry leader is CR person is when they say a "Social Compact"...Ramaphosa that one..

[@ThomAnno]

Who was instrumental to the destruction of all the capability and capacity of our mining sector? Number 1 in the world 1994 down to men dying of famine in our mines. 😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔

[@sogaman7806]

CEOs like this want to keep the status quo. Anglo &Co milking us and the rest of the poor communities low-balled and in poverty as long as he gets a stipend from these entities. Native poor South Africans are on their own.

[@MobBarley00]

I wonder if interviewing people like this changes Sizwe’s view from supporting EFF MK style policies. Without a free market and business friendly environment economic growth is pie in the sky. Expropriating land without comp for example is the antithesis to a growth philosophy.

[@sogaman7806]

The rationale behind why i characterize this chap as an NPC. SA possesses more mineral wealth than Saudi Arabia and Qatar combined, yet I have yet to see Mohammed bin Salman soliciting foreign investment for Saudi. This chap was appointed to uphold the status quo-one that prioritizes enriching everyone except SA or in detail; economically disadvantages natives black SAns. By all metrics, we should be outperforming the Arabian economies, yet under such leadership, the default approach is to lobby ‘investors’ to extract and profit from wealth of SA , rather than cultivating indigenous mining enterprises. After all, no investor operates without the expectation of profit-so why are we pleading for others to come and enrich themselves while we, as a nation, are so poor? This why rebel groups like M23 exist in DRC , cause of chaps like this. This is insane.

[@esahm373]

We need to follow the Norwegian and Qatari model: National resources need to be managed and mined by national entities, not foreign cartels listed at the London Stock Exchange. This smart, handsome man is just a stooge for the Oppenheimer cartel unfortunately, but I guess it helped him to access a living standard much higher than what’s accessible to most SouthAfricans?

[@sogaman7806]

@@esahm373 That is true. The lifestyle serves as an incentive for maintaining the status quo. However, the deeper issue lies in the mindset of always striving to be superior to their fellow Black people- as long as the majority remain beneath them, they feel comfortable. which is why they are so PASSIONATE about keeping blacks impoverished. The problem emerges when Black natives strive to succeed, improve their circumstances, and achieve independence - they block it with bureaucracy and systems.

[@sogaman7806]

that's true. the lifestyle is an incentive for them to keep the status quo. However, the deeper issue lies in the mindset of always striving to be superior to other Black people- as long as the majority remain beneath them, they feel comfortable. which is why they are so PASSIONATE about keeping blacks below the bread-line. the problem emerges when Black natives strive to succeed, improve their circumstances, and achieve independence. It is impeded with systematic bureaucracy.

[@lindokuhlesithole319]

Today’s guest!

[@iainmcfadyen1900]

When will SA start mining hazenile?

[@nkosinathinene651]

Ayeye

[@Macedonia270]

Hey Isaac! How are you doing brother? Long time, no see...

[@esahm373]

I think his name is Mzila

[@Macedonia270]

@esahm373 Yeah... I knew him very well in the early 1990's ... Isaac

[@esahm373]

@@Macedonia270 Astounding career he made. So Isaac is his English name, yeah?

[@Macedonia270]

@@esahm373 I guess so, we studied together at Wits and afterwards worked at Anglo American Gold and Uranium division...Elandsrand mine.... Great guy, our Isaac, I am very pleased for him....

[@Mini-vz1op]

And how could someone make R60B without getting taxed??

[@sogaman7806]

Waste of time talking to this chap. He has shown neither interest nor inclination toward deliberating sustainable frameworks aimed at empowering economically disadvantaged black South Africans. His discourse remains fixated on external investment - NOT EVEN EMPOWERING COMMUNITIES, meaning enriching those already with money. SA is in trouble with these kind of CEOs. this chap is a bonafide NPC.

[@patrickthorp3816]

External investment is still key. People cannot expect to be rescued by business. What they need is an education and a hopeful future so that they are equipped with skills to thrive. No one is coming to rescue the poor...

[@sogaman7806]

@@patrickthorp3816 Since 1994, we have seen waves of external investment, yet what tangible benefits have they truly brought? Instead of fostering sustainable development, these investments have largely extracted our mineral wealth, enriching foreign entities while leaving our nation struggling. This cycle has led to what I term 'External Investment Dependency'-a model that is neither sustainable nor empowering. When these mining ventures cease to be profitable or fail to meet their targets, they resort to retrenchments with little to no consideration for the livelihoods of their employees. If there is no genuine commitment to uplifting the poor, then one must also be prepared to face the inevitable consequences: escalating social ills that, in time, will become too severe to endure. NB !! Police to citizen ratio in SA is 1:435 not considering illegal immigrants. If the current status quo becomes to hard to bare, the lawlessness will reach an unprecedented scale. THATS THE RISK.

[@Aurora-light01]

It is only a waste of time if you refuse to listen, learn and implement what you have leant to build your own company.

[@sogaman7806]

@@Aurora-light01 Build it with what? With so much red tape these guys have setup? No wonder the country is in such a mess - there a people who think like you and this NPC guy

[@zwakelemthalane6712]

AYEYE

[@bravohuzumaki]

That opening bit felt like PR and it only made more sense as the episode went on ... No way you don't talk about the human cost of steifontain or whatever it's called...

[@thelawyergauteng]

Was the 60 BN lost ? Did the 60 BN not reach the keepers of SOUTH AFRICA?

[@resegoericthubisi790]

You know I always laugh whenever I hear comrades talking wanting "mining beneficiation" if you look for example in the platinum industry in south Africa we have refinery that process the platinum group metals

[@thatpak]

Sizwe I understand that you do not want to be confrontational, but like Gogo was saying media must keep people accountable. When you allow people to come and say anything they want about anyone you essentially become a mouthpiece for their propaganda. You cannot act as if you are not responsible for the things people say on your platform. One week you have someone here talking about the tragedy and inhumanity of stilfontein; the next week you have someone calling those people “illegal”. Both weeks you seem to be agreeing and humoring the guest. It makes it seem as if you yourself have no beliefs, when we know you do. Doing this is the best way to get influential people on here because they know that you will not challenge anything your say. It’s the best way to get big names and grow your platform. But at what cost Sizwe?

[@jomomkhize1438]

I agree with you very much for me this guy is serving the interest of the rich in other for him to be rich...he is within the system nothing more that and Sizwe allow this people to do this stuff in his podcast

[@Aurora-light01]

How will you make your own conclusions if you do not hear both sides? Instead of expecting that the host of the show comes to a conclusion for you, further research, use your critical thinking skills and come to your own conclusions.

[@karabomabule8941]

Mzila certainly sees himself as a leader who has been afforded a platform to educate and inspire. By allowing Mzila to ventilate his views on Mining, a subject he is certainly an expert on, we get to understand how these multi-billon rand mining companies work

[@jomomkhize1438]

A disappointed by Mr Mthenjane an agent this one black skin but white inside waist of time Sizwe here nothing for us here its about his intellect that will never help anyone disaapointed Mr Mpofu by you

[@ceefourchris4243]

If you lost 60B in 2024 due to illegal mining, how much did you make legally? Where is that gain?

[@mutshidzirambau4285]

This was a PR interview, too much abstract. What does he mean crime and corruption is leading to zama zamas? If he means crime and corruption by mining companies then it would make some sense, they are mining on stolen lands afterall. We've been mining for over 150 years yet we are still begging for FDI, we still gonna suffer mos.

[@esahm373]

Very smart person, but obviously a lobbyist for the cartels plundering our resources, so statements have to be taken with a grain of salt. What I found worrying about the Stilfontein episode: so many South Africans were expressing that the trapped informal miners should be left to rot, as opposed to rescuing them. Have we really overcome the inhumanity of the past?

[@yenziwemotha3049]

first one??

[@esahm373]

SMWX team, have you guys recently changed the comments moderation settings to a more restrictive mode? Are you aware that this can be very detrimental to follower engagement and future channel growth? None of the major podcasts and video channels uses the strictest setting!

[@_SMWX]

Nope. No comments restriction settings changed.

[@esahm373]

@@_SMWX Okay, then I don't know what is the issue. I just noticed that some comments are being shadow-banned / not displayed, when I check the comments section on another device.

[@VOTE2024_MZANSI]

The accent gives Ramaphosa

[@karabomabule8941]

😂😂😂

[@MotshedisiGrace]

Pls tell CEO, I’m a woman looking for bursary to study Masters in Project management, PM is my passion Pls.

[@Futhi.Johnson]

I'm bored

[@kgomotsomashilane5194]

😂 yei little european's accent