SJW Iceman is the Ultimate Douchebag

[@pepemcgovern7955]

The story basically exists just to crap on Bobby's parents and their real world counterparts. "Take that Dad! This is how me coming out would go if I had my way." -most of Marvel, probably

[@sprint7412]

Older Bobby looked like the Joker when he laughed. Just put white makeup and red lipstick on him and he would be the spitting image.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

Oh snap, you're right !

[@labodegadelauty7929]

I have done a edit

[@-kenik9629]

@@labodegadelauty7929 Sauce plz?

[@seanmccallum6558]

Pyro died from the Legacy virus which is supposed to be the fictional equivalent of AIDS for mutants. Yeah... Marvel clearly doesn't care anymore and I'm beginning to think that they never will.

[@evilallensmithee]

Sean McCallum Captain Capitalism will save the day. Eventually they will run out of money, sell the rights or stop publishing and the characters will enter the public domain (like they should have done in the 80’s or 90’s, before Disney and the rest Hollywood lobbied congress to extend copyrights near _ad infinitum_ through out the 20th cent)

[@ericjohnson7234]

Cherish the comics you have and move onto other properties.

[@ElGrabnar]

Also a specific part of the comics was mutants are so separate genetically they can't get AIDS.

[@LMayer-uh1sz]

Books like this are what happen when you hire people who have zero experience writing comics and tell them to write a comic book series. They don't know where to go with it because all they know how to do is whine about identity politics. So instead of writing compelling characters, all they do is end up writing caricatures and engaging in strawman-style arguments. And have you noticed how almost ALL of the SJW superheroes are really unlikable as people? Not to mention that they're just a bunch of insulting stereotypes. America Chavez is the "spicy latina" who flies off the handle at the drop of a hat, Riri Williams is the "angry black girl" who thinks she's better than everyone else, Bobby Drake is the "douchey gay guy" who blows up at everyone who doesn't bow down to his identity politics, FemmeThor is the "angry feminist" who rages about female empowerment, etc. The problem is that these people a) don't know how to write comic characters, and b) don't understand what drives a good story: conflict, loss, and growth. They refuse to have their characters ever actually LOSE, because they're supposed to be so much better than everyone else (especially those icky old white men!), so every "villain" they run into is either a C or D-lister who in a real comic would have to jump the hero with about a half-dozen other C/D-listers to stand a chance, or a bunch of generic "villain of the week brownshirts", who get mopped up like it's nothing, all while the hero can soapbox about how morally superior they are because "I'm gay/latina/female/not white". None of their characters ever grow. They were spat out onto the page fully formed, and have nowhere to go but in a straight line. There is no emotional growth, no loss, no real conflict at all other than the manufactured identity politics soapbox bullcrap. And this is why they're failing miserably.

[@jamalhartley5863]

I say you have a point about all those characters except female Thor. She was actually pretty well written and pretty cool. Her story was cool.

[@tonyatrache9790]

You forgot captain marvel, who is so unlikable that she was placed in quadruple digits on the popularity board

[@jjjbgg5893]

i lke to see rir williams fighting with bullseye or america chavez vs crossbone or one of the zemos o better one the iron nail and for iceman go against doctor doom you know like all of them are mary sues and gary stu, id like to see them fight a heavy hitter's . you know the hero killers the mortal men in the world

[@matthieuleperlier251]

Perfectly summed up

[@jeangentry6656]

I find it interesting that you brought up Ed Elric, because there ARE a few times in FMA where Ed doesn't react poorly to being called short- because Arakawa is a fantastic writer, she makes these exceptions to the rule clear, such as when Major General Armstrong scares Ed so much that when she calls him a "little red runt", he comically cowers in fear instead of comically flipping out.

[@LordTyph]

Hell, I think he actually gets better and better at controlling his temper regarding the short comments. But that's character growth, which these stories are scared to have.

[@loquesrosa9458]

This is the problem with diversity for its own sake. People are not Pokemon you don't 'gotta collect em all'. If you identify as one of a marginalized group then you never move out of that margin never doing anything else but your schtick as gay or trans or black or female or whatever the latest oppression may be. It's boring. Boring in real life and super boring for a storyline.

[@vertigo2894]

The "latest oppression" with black in that sentence? You think it's fashion?

[@chrishimoto5895]

Boi. This writing hurts, it's just everywhere

[@prodigaldawtr7907]

Here's where I'm lost. We all know Grace is reliving or rewriting his own "gay experience". But then why are Bobby's parents so chill? He can't be screwing that part up. So is this it? Being accepting & mildly dissapointed is homophobic and crazy?

[@ryanodom6101]

*"Being accepting & mildly dissapointed is homophobic and crazy?"* Speaking from nearly 4 years into the future, yes. Anything other than violent approval and offers to make it easier for him to engage in gay orgies on the part of the parents is homophobic.

[@alexfriedman918]

As JSG often says: “You had one job!”

[@badboyluvr]

I love the new pictures of your icon & the opening. :)

[@paulocosta4744]

Same here. That intro looks great and those new images work great to express your emotions.

[@30alex30clubpenguin]

it remind me of bleach though

[@jeanlouis243]

@@30alex30clubpenguin it is from bleach check his description

[@jeangentry6656]

that whole dialogue about Older Bobby beating up Romeo weirded me out- but not because he would beat up the kid (he punched that annoying Zak kid in the issues featuring Daken- so it's not OOC for him to threaten violence against a teenage boy) but because he's legit hitting on his younger self. Also, who the heck says "baby me" when talking about their younger self? it's either "Teen Me" or "Kid Me", NEVER "Baby Me".

[@aaronhumphrey2009]

Taking self- loathing to a cringy new level. Not much of this makes any sense. Great job letting down the LGBT community.

[@maxlean6879]

The only way I can think of future characters calling their younger counterparts baby would be if the older character was jaded to the younger’s naive ideas

[@theblasblas]

Ironman would probably call his younger self "baby me"... but who wouldn't want to be baby Ironman? XD Of course, I know there's this one comic about Ironman meeting his younger self... but I've either forgotten it or forcefully repressed that memory. Depends on how bad it was.

[@jeffreyhejny7522]

I usually hear people say, "when I was younger." Or even just, "younger me."

[@Hanmacx]

Also is older Bobby pissed that the parents like his younger version too?

[@NewGuy2534]

Should we tell him that they’re the same person?

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@@NewGuy2534 he's an asshole. He doesn't care

[@HeirofApocalypse]

The stories could have been so much better if they would have kept the older Bobby straight, plus it would have gave each of them separate personalities.

[@strawberrybunny.2983]

Oliver Reeves I woul dnt mind a change in sexuality. As long as Bobby had you know a personality

[@strawberrybunny.2983]

Robin Thrush a personality not rooted in stereotypes preferably

[@MamaMOB]

So we're supposed to assume that a 15 year old boy with different life experiences is still supposed to grow up to be the same man? I'm sorry but no. Nature versus nurture has been a debate for a long time but both sides agree that both nature and nurture play a vital role in who we become. This boy isn't going to have any of the same experiences from the moment his life deviated from the older version of himself. He will not grow up to be the same man that older Bobby is. He'll grow up to be something completely different. Older Bobby is kind of just fucking up this poor kid's life.

[@Silverbolt00]

Wow, the X-Men and the current Marvel universe in general needs another a colossal reality changing catastrophic event ASAP! - They NEED to wipe the slate clean, not just the awful characters they've made of these "Heroes" in the books but the entire writing staff for the most part. Marvel needs to clean house while there are still some fans left that will support them moving forward. I don't even recognise most of my childhood heroes in todays comics as they've been perverted and twisted into garbage political tools to push a hateful ideology. Such a shame. Thanks for the video.

[@Summon256]

And here people say, its DC, who are in the bad shape because of their movies...now isn't that an irony?? Oh, boy...

[@Silverbolt00]

Not sure i would call it irony, DC just seem like they're in such a rush to catch up to whatever it is that Marvel are doing in their films that they aren't giving the characters enough time to grow. Plus they don't seem to be putting the right people on their projects, hopefully they'll get their act together so we can just enjoy all the forth coming superhero films. But my original point was more for comics over the movies. ;)

[@forestelfranger]

You got to love how marvel was all diversity matters. People hate diversity and and women characters. Yet go on to make and write one of the most unlikeable characters ever, after mind raping him. Who comes off more as a villain rather then a hero. Doesn't matter if iceman was gay, straight, bisexually. He would still be a unlikeable asshole. Hmm maybe it's their writing. When i get the idea that this character who is meant to be a hero, feels more like a villain then a hero, something somewhere when wrong. That or someone has no idea how to writer superheroes.

[@Smallpotato1965]

It's the narcissism. SJWs are narcissistic by definition. It's all about 'I feel this and therefore everyone has to bow to my feelz and reality had better twist itself in order to placate ME'. Narcissists are like vampires: they only take and take and give nothing. Doesn't matter if the vampire is gay, straight, bi or sparkly in the sun. Still an asshole.

[@trainerredcharizard7982]

Its funny how stereotypical Iceman is..I dont care about his sexuallity and as ive heard not so many fans remember his hetero realtionships much but he and young Bobby are so..They are Like JACK in Will & Grace..and i disliked him in tat because he was a douche to everyone

[@ReverendSyn]

You are correct. SJWs do it because they think it makes them superior. It's about self-aggrandizement than any true desire to do any actual objective good. They want to be praised and adored for being progressive. Thats why they get so butthurt when you call them out on it. They also think it makes them immune to criticism. They can then play the victim card and dismiss you as a bigot, a homophobe, a racist, what have you instead of debating rationally.

[@chriscollins2095]

Maybe they're writing the character to act how they would act in the same situation. Like a sociopath.

[@zxyatiywariii8]

Chris Collins Yes, that's what I think. Narcissistic and/or sociopathic people can't imagine how normal people would act in a given situation, so their characters all come out unlikable and unrelatable.

[@BurkeanMama]

I haven't read comic books since the early 80s. And I know old people are always saying things were better in my day. But when I read them, comic books were about Super Heroes fighting Super Villains. This is a Tele Novela soap opera, not a comic book.

[@ripleyandweeds1288]

"and it's not group sex" Oh thank god, at least they have SOME dignity

[@darkoneontheisland9362]

Dude I watch all your videos. I like the niche of comic book reviews.

[@MrOrcshaman]

back in the 90s when I heavily got into comics (mostly started slowly in the 80s), I wished back then for more gay representation of comic book characters. looking at this shit today, thinking of the complete hacks and mental cases used to write these 'diverse' comics now, it makes me want to send a message to my younger self and tell him, be more specific with that you wish for

[@sonicrush44]

I swear these people o not understand time travel or alternate realities. The Iceman from the past, or time displaced version (TDV), is the one who was mind raped by the TDV Jean Grey into being gay. Honestly, it would have been "fine" if that only stayed with with the TDV Iceman. But because Marvel hired writers who can't understand concepts like alternate realities we get this cluster of idiocy. How does teen Iceman being gay equal the older one, with a more flushed out history of being straight, suddenly being gay? Also why does the dialogue make it seem like the older version wants to preform self-cest? I mean, when even a character like Deadpool says that it's wrong that really should say something.

[@JustSomeGuy]

The claim was that they were supposed to be the actual young X-Men. They never got around to explaining how none of them remembered any of this. They later changed this when Marvel did their multiverse story arc. Now the young ones are from an alternate reality that no longer exists as it used to. Now it really makes no sense how the two Bobbys are this similar.

[@sonicrush44]

Thank you for explaining it to me but this still doesn't make any kind of sense.

[@Kenzo_VII]

“He’s probably lisping but we can’t hear that.” I died after you said that. You sir, are a legend. 👌🏽👍🏽👊🏽

[@Yuethefallen]

I'm so glad that these sjw writers haven't touched magneto, prof. X and mystique with this garbage. ALSO a better storyline if you must go with... whatever the premise was, have young Bobby still straight and have older Bobby come into conflict which sparks his real memories to come back and make him realize that his head was fucked with by Jean gray.

[@nightmarelyoko]

I feel like Jean grey messed with his mind

[@MrDannyKicks]

This could have been a simple cliche plot without making the hero look like a creep. Younger Bobby didn't have his parents growing up. So he drops the X-Men to live amongst the normies. In turn, he doesn't have a strong grip on his powers like his older self. Being a mutant tho danger seems to keep finding its way to his door step. His parents get hurt in the crossfire. Ultimately, he has to give up his normy life in order to get stronger and protect the ones he loves. Which also sets up conflict with older Bobby for hurting his parents. And we can see how different their powers develop living different lives.

[@DoubleBoost23]

DannyKicks That'd have been *cool*

[@Hanmacx]

Is older Bobby trying to get younger Bobby to the Dark side?

[@trainerredcharizard7982]

Cant they just do hero stuff..i didnt mind too bad about their relationship banter when they fought agaist Pyro..

[@Hanmacx]

TrainerRED Charizard I mean it like a way that first young Bobby wants to met the parents But after older Bobby did wisper Young Bobby was aggressive to them

[@jeangentry6656]

No, he's trying to get him into bed.

[@dillionmcwhite5023]

Jean Gentry is that gay, incest or masturbation?

[@jeangentry6656]

Probs all three, but I think it's best to ask Narcissus, or Pink, lol :-P

[@GanonGhidorah]

Anyone remember when Comic books were typically about Super Heroes fighting Super Villains? Cause as of late, it seems to just be about Super Heroes, fighting each other, while going through personal irl shit...

[@MrsYasha1984]

I love the new intro and the new face expressions! and the video was fun to watch, thanks!

[@Sam-ep2yo]

Need Just Some Guy vs. Iceman to be a comic. I know who my money would be on. Plus, his during-the-match banter HAS to be quotes from this video.

[@Air_Serpent]

Overlyedited I would pay for that modern classic.

[@liquidknives6275]

You know what I wanna c in an Xmen magazine? Iceman fighting for mutant rights from government shadow organization and saving people from bad mutants. Keep his relationships if gay or straight to a minimal comic time. I agree it's a superhero comic book and he has to do superhero stuff and not Will and Grace BS.

[@larryhinkle9390]

Page after page of a suburban family sitting in an Applebee's on Long Island

[@Strawberrymilkdrink]

Ooooooohhh a bleach inspired opening nice a lot of work went into that

[@jeangentry6656]

Really? I got a KOF vibe. Then again, I'm old, lol :-P

[@CJ_Rogue]

This just proves how much the new writers in the marvel universe don't understand the art form. The entire idea of using mutants as a story telling device is that it is left up to the reader to infer meaning to whatever type of discrimination that they may receive from being a mutant, as art should be left up to some interpretation it helps it become more personal and special to the reader. This ham fisted SJW agenda does not make for good story telling, character growth, or good art form in general. Its a major reason why I don't buy comics anymore even though I love the art form so much and what comic used to mean to me. Hopefully one day they will get the message and give up politics and go back to good story telling.

[@garganrose]

Remember when ice man was just a goofball like the human torch? those were good times.

[@Adorni]

7:26 .... Okay, that art is just... ugh. Not only does the laugh look dumb, to begin with, but the shading on his ears is too heavy: it looks like he has three holes in his ear. Like his ear is Ghost Face, from the Scream movies. It just looks *_wrong._*

[@greenmachine949]

This is so stupid. If they had any brains, they would have made just one of them gay especially since they're from alternate timelines anyway. Would have made a way more interesting story-line. Same thing with what you said how having just one Bobby get along with their parents would have made it more interesting. But SJW Marvel doesn't want interesting.

[@alexghost2099]

I feel like jean grey is pranking the icemen for all his pranks he pulled. And I'm still waiting for the punchline... Maybe she forgot (I'm not homophobic it's just forcing characters to be something they originally are not seems weak and lazy instead of making new interesting characters)

[@Monoko2761]

Better not call my six year old niece a baby. She thinks she's grown. Until I put on a scary movie. Lol

[@lennypearl]

I already wrote this on D&C's channel: I always knew that Bobby's "coming out" scene in X2 (2003) was a mistake!

[@dolphinboi-playmonsterranc9668]

A snarky badass who can control the power of ice? Hell yeah, I'm in! I LOVE Frozone!

[@DaddyDynastic]

Nice new emotes my guy

[@RatedB1]

new emotes and an intro? The channel is Evolving!

[@genegreigh8782]

Absent racist connotations, I've found that, generally, the older a man gets, the less he objects to being called "boy," whereas women never seem to object to being called "girl" unless they feel like being upset.

[@jedipoodoo]

And is finally cancelled. So happy and relieved.

[@Braveheartbronie]

When my dad was alive we both had the same name and I was always called Little *Namehere*. Hated it so much

[@oldgreenone4568]

Haven't read a comic book in a decade. I don't remember them being that soapy. Do want to read Batman: Gothic series again.

[@MrVentus1012]

Meanwhile, comic drake says iceman being gay works!

[@Kevin-us4gj]

Can confirm, 4 year olds will check you on calling them baby. I have a 3 year old who gets furious when you call him a baby or try to help him.

[@priestmorrison6564]

....marvel needs VILLANS! remember AOA? they said he was stuck in Antartica. saving us? but then, hes fighting Sunfire? anything that sticks Disvel? (damn good art on Spacey)

[@prodigaldawtr7907]

Sweet new intro & art! Congrats man! Love that you're increasing the awesomeness 😎

[@dandare9055]

1st time seeing new format opening: LOVING IT!

[@southweststrangla420]

to think i used to actually think iceman was cool back in the 90's. i remember going to different stores looking for his action figure. now this is iceman? if they wanted a gay character, make up a new one. that would have been acceptable. dont change existing characters. i dont even recognize any marvel heroes these days. gonna go watch an episode of the xmen 90's cartoon now and breathe a sigh of relief lol

[@marplatense31]

Were they eating in a restaurant? If so, why didn't anyone point out the ice mutant? Why didn't anyone try to attack young Bobby? Aren't people supposed to fear and hate mutants? ISN'T THAT THE WHOLE FUCKING POINT OF THE X-MEN?!

[@Fargoth_Ur]

Wait a fucking minute, didn't Iceman's parents come to accept him as mutant back in the 90's? Did they not only reset his sexuality, but his relationship with his parents as well?

[@DarsiPadilla]

What issue was that? Must be the constant resetting of the universe.

[@smith9747]

Wait, Pyro is alive again? Wasn't he killed by the Legacy virus back in 2001? (BTW love the expressions of your avatar and that Bleach-styled intro)

[@brightcat135]

Definitely diggin the new intro!

[@MrJhound4]

God. It's like watching someone kill my favorite X-Men character 8 times over.

[@TSPH1992]

This whole situation at Marvel comics leaves me cold as ice. And SJW iceman acts like Patrick Star from s6-10 from Spongebob

[@animationfan957]

”It was never to stay in Long Island amd get a job that gives you bragging right”. If I remember correctly, Bobby Drake has an education in economy and used to work as an accountant. How’s that not a job with a ”bragging right”?

[@rooket2910]

So it seems a lot of people think Iceman comics are bad because both of them are gay. I don’t mind it because it shouldn’t change the character, just maybe give them different situations. I don’t even mind that the stories focus on situations in life that come from him being gay, it’s just the writing and stories suck and that’s all they are about. You can have these stories and make them good, but not every story about him has to be about him being gay.

[@evadevad6149]

I love the fangs on your character.

[@PlayaSinNombre]

I really hate Jean Grey for putting Bobby thru gay conversion therapy.

[@starsiegeplayer]

What I do not get is why this book is selling. Last time I looked, it was #36.

[@JustSomeGuy]

starsiegeplayer It's actually not selling well. Marvel over-shipped all the Legacy books. The last accurate orders showed it 13,000 orders.

[@starsiegeplayer]

Ahh... that makes sense. Thank you.

[@UndergroundGeek]

Clapback time 👏👏 lol

[@NovemberTehPlumber]

So it's it too late to call this "The Doucebag Commeth?"

[@AshhNT1]

So Iceman was guilted into being gay? I thought that wasn't a choice?

[@michaelhowze8198]

I mean Bobby became gay un the first place when Jean Grey mindrapes him into it. The entire thing is messed up as hell. They could've made him gay without mindraping him.

[@jeangentry6656]

Nice intro! There is something very "King Of Fighters" about it- I half expect to be asked to choose a three man team (Fatal Fury Team 4lyfe)

[@OrpheuAqueronte]

Jean Gentry Teen Team ('98) rules.

[@fried2styles]

Ummm...lapsed comics fan here -- but when did Iceman turn gay?

[@danebarrett237]

When Bendis was getting ready to head to DC

[@loganmansiongames]

Ice Man was better in the X-Men movies.

[@serpentsepia6638]

There's no problem with having a gay marvel character or specifically a gay X-Man. Most people would accept it. The problem is, Marvel took an already established character and made him gay. So, Marvel shouldn't act so surprised when they get backlash for their poor decision. What they should have done was take a new or less established character and write him as a gay character. I think readers would have been more open to that.

[@wilmagregg3131]

Good video man more people need to know how SJW have Ruined so many beloved characters Your character looks freaking cool by the way

[@dr.calibrations7984]

That settles it. You need an anime.

[@UncleMikeDrop]

This is what happens when people are just going to the motions and ticking the representation boxes. Just becomes a mishmash of random identity caricatures.

[@ion2618]

The Full Metal Alchemist reference (12:30) in this video just put it to 11/10

[@NewGuy2534]

There’s a story here, if there was a talented writer going on. I saw that Older Bobby would continue being a douche to his parents, while younger bobby tried to make amends and get to know them again. From there older bobby flies off the rainbow handlebars and berates younger bobby, which causes his parents to intervene and call him out on his behavior. It would end where a villain would attack them, and in the process one of the bobby’s Parents would save their older son but get hurt/die in the process. This would briefly show the older bobby that no matter what he’s still their son, but a resentment has now occurred between the older and newer. The younger goes back with his parent(s) while the older is left to control age his actions.

[@myronlim6732]

This issue is named after Mr Freeze's debut episode in Batman: The Animated Series! What did any of us expect?

[@ianthecoolthief6226]

A reminder that this is the same guy who defeated Oblivion.

[@lastminutewonder9602]

Kitty × bobby for ever ❤

[@johnivantaro6684]

Agreed. #MakeIceManSraightAgain!

[@AvenjaNinja]

I have a cousin with the same name as my uncle. We call him Little Alan. I even asked if he was still okay with that on his 18th birthday or did he want me to drop the little part, but he told me he was okay with that

[@andrewtaylor940]

See what happens when you take a few days off? It's Like Christmas Time at Disneyland!

[@gummythebarsgaming7969]

Who wants to read a comic where nothing happens?!

[@fandalorian49]

Um, ice had a bunch of ladies when i was reading comics

[@thespookypepper7454]

Wait I thought ice man was straight, Last time I saw him he was with kitty pryde. When did he become gay????

[@deadaccount7520]

Only versions of the Iceman I ever liked was "the ice man Dean malenko" or "ice man king Parsons."

[@stoicvampirepig6063]

Your new intro gives me anxiety.

[@tenebraequeene]

Well it IS based off of Bleach's first opening xP

[@evilallensmithee]

Data Roxas right, so why does it give him anxiety

[@myronlim6732]

The comic's cover page looks bland and boring. And "Heart of Ice" is the title of Mr Freeze's debut episode in Batman: The Animated Series.

[@Air_Serpent]

He had another intro?

[@peterpidrak9501]

I am surprised the line about the older Bobby beating up a teenager made it into the story, when you consider the problems all domestic abuse and homosexual relationship and the fact that this mirrors a standard abuse control tactic. One version of me will beat the person up the other version of me will make the person feel better about themselves.

[@ernieduran6589]

If the writing is this bad then comic book industry is done.

[@cheyenne70]

This will sound weird but I think the Bobby calling the younger Bobbie is him hitting on him. Like calling your partner sweetheart etc. Weird he might hit on himself but that how I took it.

[@TheNerdRunt]

I really like your view on the modern marvel scene and the dialogue I'm happy I'm not the only one who can't stand the new marvel comics

[@roberthanley6403]

Thank u for the FMA(B) reference

[@danciortea2278]

Love the intro. Keep em coming!

[@annotated4769]

Why on earth did this happen

[@knifeears4892]

I'm a pastry chef, maybe this is why I don't get any second dates.

[@GigaChadh976]

If I had the power, I’d write straight bobby to arrive from a portal, look at the new bobby, and pull a peter griffin and go “who the fuck is that queer?”

[@Visiden]

This author needs to write a diary, not turn a superhero comic into a therapy session.

[@JustSomeGuy]

He did. He wrote a series of autobiographical comics. For some reason, he's doing it again with Iceman.

[@Visiden]

Just Some Guy That's a serious hangup he has then. Perhaps he shouldn't be writing anything at all until he resolves his parental issues in real life.

[@ryanjones_rheios]

Making the gay thing an explicit issue is really weird to me because the characters being Mutants was already supposed to allude to persecution for things like race and sexuality. By making it equally explicit to mutation you split the metaphor and dilute the message. Especially given the context of the mutations. Nobody cares if a mutant's gay (unless it impacts their mind control powers or something). They care that their accidental maturation can kill cities. Its a fair concern as a perceived threat to their way of life but, like most actual cases of persecution, its a hollow concern for most of the mutant population who don't deserve the scrutiny or hate . Also, they need to stop unthinkingly modifying character's personalities like this. Bobby, for years, was reminiscent of a Jonny Storm playboy figure. Lots of snark to cover up some of his insecurities. Maybe they were trying to play the same card, but with him gay. The problem is, it only works if it isn't his entire identity. By making 'gay and a mutant' his whole schtick it colors his antics in those lenses and you end up with the weird caricature that works against their own message. It makes them a joke and something of a non-character. If they *really* felt the need to, making him gay could work, but it should really be treated as an accepted thing. Don't bring it up a lot. But then bring it up later as some twist on it being the real reason his parents threw him out of the house. Or go the other way and have them straight up subvert expectations with Younger Bobby.

[@Knownascomic]

Frankly I don’t recognize this whole gay iceman thing as canon

[@WalterLiddy]

I'm SO glad i stopped reading comics 20 years ago, when they were still stories about things happening, and not some kind of half-assed soap opera.

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

The only reason they did this was to create antagonist and this is a trope I ABSOLUTLY HATE. When you have a character who has changed and revealed to be a good person, the most asshole thing you can do is have said character do a complete 180 all for the sake because you can't come up with an idea for another antagonist. It's a fucking easy-ass move and the only reason they did this was because of the idea that ALL parents, and I do mean ALL (ALLLLLLL!) will never, ever, EVER accept their gay kids. And I get it; coming out is hard and painful and in many cases the results aren't positive but we've had this discussion with Bobby before that lead to a heart-punching story where his dad almost DIES trying to protect him despite not sure how to feel about his son being a mutant. The allegory was already there but of course it wasn't in your face and insulting enough. We needed to have this discussion with another mutant, in another way, that doesn't feel like a complete copy of Bobby's story and without the sitcom antics. Maybe have three mutants with three different endings; one has parents who accept them and support them, one has parents that don't accept them at first but then look at their own actions towards their child before realizing that they're not being supportive and one who's parents outright disown them. Some an example of some of the scenarios aside from asshole parents. Try something new. This ain't working though. =\

[@mr.bubbles5829]

Real world politics should stay out of comic books and movies that arent based mainly on real world politics. Change my mind.

[@edereu3098]

Such an awesome intro :D