DIY Wall-Hung Toilet - Essentials to Know First!

[@duviworthing]

I've had this sort of setup fitted in various houses for nearly 30 years and love the look of them. So far, no problems.

[@sns4748]

They are standard installation in Germany for some decades now and there is absolutely no problem if you stick to the instructions

[@declaration9704]

Been subbed for a while now. Watched most of your stuff. REALLY enjoy the tours of the old places you do from time to time.

[@Redact63Lluks]

love the advice that should be provided by the manufacturer, especially making such a product

[@SaintCoemgen]

I DIY installed such a toilet. And the manufacturer of my toilet did provide similar instructions. Can not say all do this. But the model I bought did come with proper instructions. Side note: Hate to say this, but one contractor I hired to install some windows were not following the instructions that came with the windows (yes, I read the instructions). I told them to stop and asked why he was not following the instructions. He said "Oh, they always call me for free seminars how to install these windows, but I never go. I know how to install a window." I fired him on the spot.

[@CarlosFandandgo]

They do generally. Roca advise +3mm.

[@sns4748]

The best way for failure is to ignore manufacturers‘ instructions

[@andyhello23]

I never subscribe to any channel I just watch the videos, and if i like the video i tick the thumbs up Alot of us do not want to subscribe to anyone Thanks for your videos, sure you have helped alot even in little ways.

[@danielconlon2388]

Nicely done Roger looking forward to your next rant/ walk around uk video

[@jonesconrad1]

Thanks roger.just finished mine and hour before you posted great timing 😂

[@SkillBuilder]

Oh I hope it is fine

[@jonesconrad1]

​@@SkillBuilder yeah it's great.

[@darrenmackenzie1892]

As a plumber I always admire these installs when I see them.. but for all the hassle to fit them from the planning to the finished wall the question is is it worth all the effort?? Great video once again!

[@tinytonymaloney7832]

The last of a generation of master craftsmen. It's a pleasure to watch 👍👍

[@SkillBuilder]

Steady on, I get things wrong, the same as the next man. The only difference is that I never, ever run from the scene of the crime. So many guys these days get a callback and block the customer's number rather than go back.

[@H3YdUD3]

Bruh 😂

[@lazylad8544]

Can't believe you've only got 20% subscribers. A top chanel with great advice and tips. Although I do think Rodger is mellowing a tad with his rants.😂😂👍👍

[@SkillBuilder]

yes we lost a few subscribers with my rants and got nervous. Maybe I need a white van man rant channel

[@lazylad8544]

@SkillBuilder now that would get plenty subscribers

[@kadzo1000]

You probably don’t do enough rants! 😂 I”ll give you one… Why do manufacturers put sticky labels on stuff, especially not easy peel 😡

[@gdfggggg]

Roger knows his shit. I wish he was my dad, but I’m older than him.

[@clooperman3745]

@@kadzo1000 I know what you mean, I install quite a few Triton AS2000SR power showers and now tell the customer they have to remove them after doing the first one, no need for super sticky labels, rant over.

[@johnhaydon4055]

Thanks for those tips Roger, Never been a fan of back to wall pans, especially the close coupled ones. All those connections and very little chance of inspecting them for leaks after installation. Have seen some horrendous damage caused by them over the years where they have been leaking for quite some time before the signs became visible. ATB from J and H Builders

[@SkillBuilder]

I know what you mean but I like them because they give the bathroom nice clean lines. I understand the problem with hidden leaks and that is why I posted this video. It is usually the same problem over and over again. The trouble is that once you damage that flush pipe it is a pig to renew

[@PhoneVidoes]

Agree, its just another case of because we can do it we will, with zero thought on mainteance. What on earth was wrong with the good old fashioned floor standing pan and rear cistern, I can just bear the close coupled ones but even they make replacing the flush a pain cos you have to take the whole thing apart. Call me old fashioned may be.

[@DavidKneale]

Some support behind the flush pipe helps too.

[@lestercranmer2631]

I'm fitting 3 en-suites in my house at the moment with wall hung toilets & basins, I've put pneumatic cisterns behind the mirror cabinets above the sink by cutting hole in the wall, I use treadmill silicon, seems to be fine. also I put some sika EBT+ where the toilet meets the wall

[@dougsaunders8109]

Any potable grease will do the trick. Definitely cheaper options than £15 a pop. I like the saw marking trick to set the correct then

[@SkillBuilder]

I had some 'plumbers grease' and it said "do not use on 'O' rings.

[@dougsaunders8109]

@@SkillBuilder I know you can’t use certain grease on o rings which are exposed to oxygen.

[@olgajoachimosmundsen4647]

When is the toiket snug against the wall?

[@SaintCoemgen]

I am not a plumber. Not at all. In fact, plumbing, of all home issues, baffles me the most. That being said I did install my own wall hung toilet in our house. I simply followed the instructions from the manufacturer. Which were basically the same way to do it as Roger did. I have never had a leak. If you are going to DIY I can only suggest you actually READ the provided manual and instructions. That will save you a world of hurt. Or a world of hurt to the support person you call. Sadly from my experience (in another field of work) ... few people read instructions. And most of my professional correspondence is walking people through "how to fix it" because they did not read the manual. Hope this helps.

[@tristanedwards1340]

Good job we always recommend geberit ones never had issue

[@SkillBuilder]

Abacus frames are just as good and cheaper. I like the fact that they come with two soil pipe options.

[@motel1604]

Notifications on, nice one team

[@williampittman6777]

So should the water pipe and the drain pipe both be out the wall the same distance? Or will one be slightly longer than the other?

[@mkteku]

depends on the pan.

[@SteveAndAlexBuild]

Taking time on the small details is so important 👌🏼🧱👍🏽

[@michealbreathnach2928]

Thanks for the advice

[@forenamesurname1183]

Roger, get yourself a machinists de-burring tool. normally used for metals, but works a treat on plastics

[@SkillBuilder]

I have a plastic deburring tool somewhere in the back of the van, or the shed, or under someone's floorboards

[@Qq-x9447]

Hi Roger & Co., Informative, structured & well presented video as always ...👍 I'm in agreement with others here on your messageboard - as I do not like (and will never fit) a wall hung pan, I've witnessed the destruction they cause when something goes awry. Way too many variables to be accounted for - often including the quality of manufactured parts. A well designed & manufactured floor standing loo is, for me, the only way to go - as it were.

[@ottofumbler7267]

Good tips. Just wondering, would it not be more sustainable to use a flexi waste fitting? I'd be worried that over time, as the pan fasteners begin to move, there's a chance the waste pipe seal would weaken. I think these back-to-wall & hidden cistern toilets were made popular by prisons. Not sure why you would want one in your house.

[@hughs591]

Very interesting and useful video, thank you. When the flush pipe is pushed into the pipe in the wall what's used to seal the joint, is there a rubber seal inside the wall pipe?

[@SkillBuilder]

yes the seal is in there

[@dannywilkins887]

Fitted my share of these, the most common problem is that the wall behind has flex in it. Needs 18 mm plywood then a 6 mm cement board then tile

[@SkillBuilder]

Actually that is exactly what it had

[@duviworthing]

Do you not put a gasket between the pan and tiles to avoid that awful grinding noise you can get?

[@SkillBuilder]

I used to do that but it was never great. I am not even sure anyone supplies the gasket now

[@gdfggggg]

Silicone?

[@seankay8137]

Nice tiling but was there any access to the bath trap?

[@SkillBuilder]

yes through the tiled panel

[@napalmholocaust9093]

Should clarify on manual hand deburring tools. There's about 8 to choose from, by angle mostly, inside or outside . If you are left handed you'll not like any of them unless you do the opposite of natural, the cutting edge only goes one way, it is a flat ground into a rod. The ones that are funnel tapered are heavy. My biggest one is about half a stone and is still kinda small, can't do much but can do it well. Power burrs "deburrs" don't work well on outer curves, jumpy and dig in. Having all of them.... if that was my job to do all the time, I'd keep using a file or make a sanding block. One one top that's like pencil in shape is the best tho, probably so good with the carbide blade that you'll over-cut and gouge like I do with them.

[@napalmholocaust9093]

There is a lesser cut on using the directional ones backwards but it is pretty ragged. The offest of the blade from the swivel is why they cut directional too. With the advantage of when you press against the material, the blade orients itself to cut properly every time.

[@strummer6642]

Love the back to basics vids. I don't subscribe to any YT channels because I don't want my email filled up with even more spam. I can put up with (more) ads if that helps your income stream Rog.

[@hb5777]

Superbly done, but I’ve never understood the desire to have this style of toilet.

[@SkillBuilder]

Clean lines, no visible pipes or poxy boxong in, easy to clean the floor where men often miss the porcelain.

[@gdfggggg]

@@SkillBuilderI never miss because the tip is in the pond.

[@stepbackandthink]

@@gdfggggg Try standing up.

[@sachadee.6104]

I have 3 of them, in 2 houses on 2 continents. In Europe they're kind of 'standard' and in Canada I had to look hard and pay topdollar. Still choose to have 2 over there. Cleaner look, easier to clean and room saver.

[@sachadee.6104]

PS: and no, we're not rich. Truck driving in N-America, living in Canada but we found it worth the money (we don't spend any money on new cars though 😁)

[@zdebel]

Where's the foam backing though?

[@SkillBuilder]

That used to be used but it was not great. We never use it now and they don't supply it.

[@jennythescouser]

Are you Wall-Hung, Roger or do you just walk like that? - LOL (I'll get my coat....)

[@harveysmith100]

Go to your room

[@nickhickson8738]

He's wun hun Lo.

[@andygoodsell7595]

And they still leak

[@northeastcorals]

Was that an 11mm to 30mm cut ? 😅 Only joking, great job 👌

[@metatron007]

How's the cycling going roger,

[@SkillBuilder]

The cycling is going great. I haven't been out much lately because the autumn leaves cover the potholes but I was out during the week and loved it.

[@mistermikeanson]

Always good, clear information from your videos! And no, I would never have one of these wall mounted toilets!

[@SkillBuilder]

you are missing so much

[@nabazhamad5988]

❤

[@zulfqarali905]

Hi Roger well done you keep it up you are doing a great job and having you are doing a great job and having fun making some brilliant videos superstar Ali Walsall west midlands england junction 10 m6 Walsall churckery up the walsall

[@patrickfinlay2074]

Just had a customer who crouched on the toilet as is their way………….. had to put a wedge under the toilet as these toilets are not good if there’s a lot of weight put on the front edge, and yes I’m being diplomatic

[@SkillBuilder]

I have seen them tested to 25 kilos with no problem. Anyone over that weight needs a hole in the floor.

[@patrickfinlay2074]

standing on the front of the toilet changes the cantilever putting a lot of force on the rear wall, I wasn’t willing to take the chance of the toilet coming off

[@peterfitzpatrick7032]

@@SkillBuilder Is that 25kgs "payload " ?? ... 🙈🙉🙊🙄😂

[@edmundhodgson2572]

My dad would say to me "measure once and measure properly boy, we ain't got all day"

[@sirrichardrichard5655]

Fitted one recently and siliconed round the rim ...and I'm hoping the movement when someone shits down on it doesn't pull off the small tiles it's fitted to..

[@kevind7150]

Polypipe silicone is very expensive. Get some HT grease

[@SkillBuilder]

wont that attack the rubber seals?

[@kevind7150]

@@SkillBuilder The stuff I get is from BES, This is the description! Silicone Grease - 500g Silicone grease lubricates rubbers, plastics and other materials, and also combinations of these with metals. It will seal and protect rubber ‘O’ rings, for example in the assembly of PVC pipes. Complies with UK water fittings bylaws. HT silicone grease (high tack) is for use where severe conditions of temperature and pressure require durability without the grease being too stiff to handle. For use on ‘O’ rings, valves and taps; ideal as plumbers’ grease.

[@napalmholocaust9093]

The druggist will have oil based grease for very cheap that doesn't eat plastic. Petroleum jelly or vasaline here, don't know what you call it. Or alcohol if you want it to disappear after assembly.

[@tombombadil6136]

I use Masking tape for any marking. Easy to adjust and leaves no marks Measure twice. Cut once. I must say the idea of plumbing in ANY sanitary ware with limited access thats concealed, seems to be a flawed idea. The pottery is not rated for very over weight people or people doing stupid things, like standing on them. Yes it looks good and you have done an excellent job. Its just my opinion but the victorian high level flush ,fitted with victorian quality parts far outlasted this 25 year guaranteed toilet. Blockages too. No these german ideas are grand,untill they go wrong. Parts sometimes fail from new, concealing the problem makes no sense to me. I do consider i may be wrong, long in the tooth an all. Just an observation,If a fitted hinged framed door that could house the tiles secured via magnets that allowed the back of tiled wall to be removed, it would allow inspection for commissioning and servicing. This could be incorporated into the frame thats fitted on first fix. I could go on and on about improving the pipework connections, but you have done a grand job. I do wish you well and i do like the videos. Thankyou sir.

[@SkillBuilder]

All the parts are accessible. It is very easy to service these cisterns. Also they are rated for 25 stone. I have never had any problems with them and the customers love this clean look

[@tombombadil6136]

@@SkillBuilder visually accessable?

[@mb-3faze]

Never understood the appeal of these types of toilets. Your first 600lb American guest will cause major trouble :)

[@SkillBuilder]

They are good for 350 LBS tested. I am not sure I would want anyone much heavier to use my staircase.

[@CarlosFandandgo]

The Roca I’m fitting now is rated to 300kg I think, or 400. I’m a big bloke at 134kg but I don’t know anyone that would be close to 300. 😂

[@patrickcowan8701]

Guaranteed to leak. Best part is you end up with it all inside the wall.

[@Lutonman2010]

As someone who spends a fair amount of time repairing toilets. I’m struggling to think of anything more stupid in plumbing than concealed cisterns. Absolutely hateful things. Working on them is like trying to paint your hallway through the letterbox. Did I mention I hate them?

[@aerowilly65]

All the numpties who put silicone on everything will now be putting it on pushfit waste connections. Would have been better to call it silicone GREASE,which is what it is.Calling it silicone will confuse the DIYers.

[@SkillBuilder]

you are right and I did think that when I saw the video but it was too late. That said I reckon that anyone doing this job would know the difference particularly because it is in a little pot and not a tube.

[@timblank1]

Fist

[@nickhickson8738]

Fist!

[@michaelbanks9544]

Nice 👊🏼