No more Destiny expansions (and no Destiny 3) as Bungie cut-backs hit | This Week in Videogames

[@SpectreAdept]

Remember when Bungie said they were “not that type of company” when their workers asked if executives were going to take pay cuts to save jobs? Because I sure do

[@Chopzi11a]

You expect woke corpos to tell the truth?

[@DuhhWongGuy]

The bungie exec who said that quote now works for Sony lol

[@Ziggyvu]

I thought it was Riot games that said that? Lets be real every company is like that lol

[@SpecShadow]

how the turntables...

[@christopherhuber2870]

Ya, well there is reality and there is what people say. The real world isn't forgiving.

[@5hAun1E]

Imagine your boss shows you his new car as he fires you lol

[@Meme_dad1]

Imagine his car collecting having nothing to do with your jobs lol

[@awesomemark1234100]

Imagine him getting kneed in the balls when he does

[@tukaluna5576]

@@Meme_dad1 Alright CEO Pete Parsons, log off youtube and go enjoy your cars lol

[@Malaphisis]

2.3 million isnt that much money for a ceo.

[@WholeHolyHole]

@@Malaphisis that's only the purchases that people know about because they found his account on the auction site and it was public. It's probably at least 10x that.

[@mchammer5592]

You’re leaving work late after a hard day of coding. You pass Pete Parsons pulling out in a new Porsche. You wanna be nice so you say nice car Pete. He grins, looks you over and says, “you’re inspiring my man, burning the midnight oil. I’m telling you, you stay the course, keep working hard like you are now” he lovingly taps his car “one day, I’ll be able to buy another one just like it.”

[@markmills4980]

"one day" meaning next week

[@sumSOTY]

Lmao

[@freshlymemed5680]

I would've laughed harder if this wasn't so awfully accurate.

[@esaedvik]

Employees can never afford fancy things.

[@matthewsteele3463]

When he says it’s a tax write off, but so is your salary…

[@mix1ro]

turns out the final shape was a sports car

[@llamatronian101]

Executives, transform and roll out!

[@toptiertech7291]

If only that could have saved jobs 😂😂 it can’t

[@user-kc6tm2fl1h]

skill up is very low IQ

[@asmodeusml]

The problem with Destiny 2 and the main reason each expansion was selling worse and worse despite their quality beeing really good is that Bungie made next to no effort to make the game accessible to new players and/or returning ones. I shelved it for around 18 months for various reasons and when I tried coming back, I had zero sense of where I am both plot- and progressionwise with no ability to experience what I missed thanks to some content being removed.

[@MaestroDean]

This, 100% this for me.

[@Daniel-yz3zf]

100%.

[@philbarton2832]

After playing for the first few years of destiny 2 I got sick of the PvP negligence so quite then last year I gave it another chance...the PvP STILL sucked and the rest was so convoluted I quit again after a few days.

[@ResidentRecon89]

Destiny Shills would tell you to go load up a “MyNameIsByfe video if you want to catch up on the story” but nobody would have to do that if Luke Smith implemented the Content Vaulting and FOMO shit.

[@bryanelloco29]

You know, I’ve heard this exact complaint from my friends that gave up the game. But I actually find it hilarious that at D2 launch, the returning players had the exact opposite issue lol. The game was TOO new-player friendly for us D1 vets that just wanted more of the same. The introduction of competitive and larger focus on PvP made me not want to play pvp, because it only brought about sweats. There were rumors going around that Activision had pushed for this generalized PvP in order to try to get D2 into a possible E-sports scene, which was a devastating move in my opinion. This decision ultimately led to devs focusing more on what the “pro” pvp players wanted, and ignored what the overall playerbase wanted. They ignore the majority for the opinions of the small exclusive “pro” minority. Add to that, that at the beginning they wanted to make it SO new player friendly, that they took out the main reason that us veterans kept playing in the first place; random rolls. Every single gun at launch was the exact same as any other of the same name. Once you had Uriel’s gift, you had the same Uriel’s as everyone. There was no longer a reason to grind for weapons, because once you had it, there was no point. So overall the game was so generalized at launch, that vets became disillusioned by the game. And then when they decided to go back to focus on us, the game was too complicated for new players to join in. It’s a tragedy how much they fumbled what I believe could’ve been in the top 10 gaming franchises of all time

[@tombrand236]

As a lapsed player, Bungie made it so hard to get back in if you lapse. For new players it was almost impossible. It was a fundamental business mistake not to attract new players, it was an ever dwindling pie

[@legodude666]

I thought about getting back into it for the Final Shape, but after learning how much you have to fork over just to get all the content...I'm good

[@UniverseGlider2]

Destiny 2 is one of the worst offenders of having no consideration for your time. I never felt that way with 1. With D1 when I lapsed, I could catch up so easily. I can’t with D2. And that sucks.

[@bigdaddynero]

And yet you still have fanboys defending them and defaming FF14 which did EXACTLY that.

[@yuriyutani7907]

Spot on. I took a break from Warframe and tried. Destiny. I found I preferred the moment to moment gameplay and shooting mechanics of Destiny. I bought the deluxe version and Beyond light (the latest expansion at the time) and dove in feet first. 200hrs later I quit. Amazing gameplay but I can't with that gameplay loop

[@reevesT94]

As a new player, the paywall of the expacs and the game itself refused to make itself accessible or understandable for new players who know nothing about Destiny 2. You drop into the game, and you get these big cutscenes with no actual explanation of who's who or what is what. Include in the quest designs, strange loot systems, and other stuff I no longer remember. I tried twice to get in, years apart, and each time, I was more confused than before.

[@The_derw90]

When Bungie started deleting earlier content for Destiny 2 they made it more or less impossible for new players to get into the game, it killed them

[@greed-1914]

Agree. Personally, I was a D1 player, and thought about getting into 2, but since there were parts of the game that I couldn't play, I lost interest.

[@T0asty-]

Hey that's why I quit! I bought that stupid snow dlc just for them to remove more content than the dlc came with. $50 down the drain for that nonsense was the last straw.

[@gunzkiller101]

The burnout, fomo of the season, nerfs, content removal, lock paid stuff was all small things that build up to a larger problem.

[@therealslimsagey5561]

It was the main reason I quit, I'm not giving people money for content only for them to take it away from me later on to "make room" for other content. At the point it was nessecary to take content away was when they should have changed it to Destiny 3 and have it as a seperate game to the stuff that came before so that the content was always there for people who have paid for it and want to revisit it. Even if I wanted to get back into it - I would have to spend well over £100 to catch up. They need to make the older expansions free, surely they would make more revenue from the microtransactions from the thousands of extra players that probably would play it if they didnt have to shell out for the outdated content.

[@EatThePath-7]

But hey, D3 wasn't needed at all, not at any technical level, nevermind Bungie has to delete massive chunks of the game to release a new expansion 💀 guess it was more important for the fans to get to shoot the same guns at the same enemies for a few years more.

[@Virtualblueart]

"We had to slim down the operations due to someone's financial mismanagement. So we have to let you go. On the plus side, you get to admire my collection of expensive cars while you walk to the doors."

[@toptiertech7291]

I love how you guys act like there’s any correlation 😂😂 bungie laid off 220 people. The cars he just bought with his own money, not company money was about 2.5 million. If instead of buying the cars he split it among the 220 people they would have each gotten $11,363 for a whole year 😂

[@maxmikester8185]

@@toptiertech7291 but it shows how overpaid the CEOs are and that they are basically leeches that sit on their ass and do nothing while taking all the money.

[@philbarton2832]

​@@toptiertech7291What? His money is directly earned from bungie and those are his employee's. He wouldn't have been able to spend that big without those employee's hard work and now they have to suffer even though he made the errors. A real man and leader would take ownership of his mistakes by taking a pay cut and sell some of those cars to at least keep some of those people in a job. He's a shitty leader and and an even shittier man

[@ioritenshi]

The Eververse is up and running. Go buy Silver and save Bungie

[@thatdarnskag5043]

I hear that Falling Guillotine is the meta build for this new Piit Parr'sonx boss.

[@DeagyD]

I remember being 11 years old and sitting with my dad in a restaurant reading the game informer magazine about Batman Arkham knight I stared at the Batmobile for so long just imagining what it would be like to drive it and thinking how good the graphics looked, that’s still one of my favorite memories with my dad

[@Trai1b1aze]

Final Shape ended up being a prophetic title...

[@Xport9]

Clearly foreshadowed the company's fate. Lol.

[@dounutmunk]

Final Sale 💀

[@DsgSleazy]

Thank God, Destiny needs to die, Bungie just aren’t up to the task, and the higher ups are garbage people who will see this game crash and burn before making any good moves.

[@MidnightGear1]

Final Shape (in the form of a car)

[@bfedezl2018]

@@DsgSleazy They literally released their best work and you are hearing moaning about something already old.

[@thesailboatking]

"It's a hard time being a Destiny fan right now" I feel like you've said that like 10 times over the past couple of years lol

[@VVVV88-x3u]

it’s how they cope.

[@MazeMaker4Life]

Yea legit

[@anthonytitone]

Was it ever not hard 😂

[@lukew6725]

Destiny fans deserve it for being completely delusional for all these years.

[@Icipher353]

Destiny really is Ralph’s blind spot. He’d lambast any other game that pulled half the shit Bungie has over the years, but he makes excuses for Destiny.

[@Foxintox]

I heard the main reason why Bungie did all those layoffs is because they were counting on the Skill Up review to boost sales but alas , that review was never released .

[@DsgSleazy]

Dumbest theory I’ve ever read ngl. Skill up is influential, but not nearly influential enough for his reviews the make a game like Destiny turn a profit on a major dlc. Especially since the only people who’d be willing to buy it are people still stuck in the Destiny crack den.

[@Foxintox]

@@DsgSleazy jason schreier has personally told me that Skill Up reviews represent a 87% difference in sales .

[@PensFan35]

@@DsgSleazyI’m pretty sure it’s just a joke, dog.

[@JSJTPproductions]

@@DsgSleazy It was a joke my man, it ain't that deep

[@z_slay3r544]

did he ever say if that review was coming out? i never want perfection rushed but the last time he mentioned it was like a month ago or so

[@Kjeldvk]

Calling destiny one of the greatest franchises in gaming history is certainly an opinion

[@zephyr8072]

It was absolutely one of the games of all time.

[@leandromadeireira8840]

I can say one of the best fps in terms of feel and gameplay, but best franchise?!?!

[@MightyManotaur22]

Ending this depressing episode on a bug compilation was the right move. Those are always my favorite. As a Cyberpunk 2077 lover, I still like going back and watching glitch videos because they are so, so funny. Great episode as always!

[@TheAgentmigs]

Bungie has been a predatory entity since Destiny 1 dropped. The writing was all over the wall. But I dont have time to explain why I dont have time to explain...

[@zephyr8072]

Bungie were great developers until they weren’t.

[@DrPlonk]

A hardcore FOMO based live service game that has taken content that people paid for away and announced a final expansion doesn't do to well in current playerbase? I am shooketh. It's almost as if people don't like having taken their hard work of years (that has been driven by FOMO mechanics mind you) away again because the developers want to do a sequel that will give more initial sales. Bungie will never see another cent from me or anyone in my group of friends after that shitshow of sunsetting. That company is dead to us and will join Ubisoft and EA in our "no buy" list of devs/publishers.

[@camper5579]

The fact that people are so vocal about the sunsetting case back in the day and no one talks about all the seasonal content being removed is weird

[@DrPlonk]

@@camper5579 thats what is within the FOMO criticism.

[@chickensofdeath490]

Yeah but you don’t get it, it’s “one of the greatest video game franchises of all time” lmao

[@itryayoutubechallenge8061]

they are not doing a sequel. they were working on a third person spin off that died in developmental hell.

[@stephenmisener1659]

Yup i quit about 3 years ago for that reason. FOMO doesnt make me want to keep playing, it makes me never play again. When you are requiring that i keep logging in and playing, and then saying that all my hardwork will be deleted in under a year, im not playing simple as that. Many players quit too and bungie only listened to the hardcore players and the influencers, who "shockingly" dont make up that much of the games population.

[@Calebe428]

Bungie somehow seems to forget that THEY ONLY HAVE ONE PRODUCT, yet they seem to put their focus towards everything except the one thing making them money. Their senior leadership needs to be gutted they simply don't have the first idea on how to run a gaming company it seems

[@seb1520]

Literally fucking this. How the FUCK did the higher ups think they’d manage to make 3 more games just based on funding off one game alone. Jesus Christ, actual fucking idiots

[@SageWon-1aussie]

When that ONE product is the industry gold standard for FPS they're likely to be... arrogant.

[@Theresa-yx5wg]

This is a lesson Square Enix could learn from lol, especially with FFXIV subsidizing literally all of their other projects.

[@chap268]

CEOs don't care that they effectively have a golden goose that gives them infinite golden eggs. No, they want infinite golden geese giving them infinite golden eggs. Because evidently infinite wealth isn't enough for them. They need infinite INFINITE wealth.

[@iFlu]

Ralph is still apparently unaware of the Soul Reaver I & II Remastered leak 😂

[@johnwrath3612]

“Destiny is one of the greatest franchises in the history of video games”? Uh… No. Just no. I like the gameplay and gunplay but most of the rest is extremely debatable.

[@SageWon-1aussie]

You think CoD?

[@ReeferMusic]

@@SageWon-1aussie If we're basing it off metrics then CoD is actually pretty close. 3rd place behind Mario, which is 2nd behind Pokemon in terms of highest grossing games of all time. Destiny isn't even in the top 50, although Halo somehow is 14 years after it's tragic and brutal death at the hands of 343.

[@philbarton2832]

​@@ReeferMusicNobody (including Ralph) is talking about financials when saying a game is "one of the greatest videogame franchise's ever", they're talking about a games quality and in that regard destiny 2 is nowhere near "greatest"

[@philbarton2832]

​@@SageWon-1aussieCOD is arguably one of the worst

[@mordecas]

Agree. Almost everytime i hear someone talk about Destiny 2 is about it's gunplay, not Destiny it itself. Most players came to know it on it's second title that had, arguably, more downs than ups and scraped its campaign to bet on a model that was a success until it wasn't. It will still be my parameter of quality gunplay, but as a franchise, it does not hold a candle to the real greatests - the ones that you can even ask your mother if they know about.

[@onemorescout]

Wow, these “difficult decisions” sure are becoming more common lately

[@MightyManotaur22]

and easier for execs to make!

[@Henez89]

Execs making so many difficult decisions. Must be why they're so overpaid

[@toptiertech7291]

@@Henez89Yall still think the CEOs paycheck has anything to do with layoffs 😂 they might get 5-10 million in cash per year. Bungie had 1100 employees. If the CEO took a $0 check and split up 10 million over all the workers that’s $90 extra per year per employee. If they got paid weekly that’s $1.73 per week per person. It makes no difference. If the ceo made 5x that. If they made $50 million that’s only an $8 difference per check. It means nothing

[@evorm7329]

@@toptiertech7291 This is either godtier bait or a humiliating display of math skills. 10,000,000 yearly / 1,100 employees = 90? So if the CEO alone wasn't paid 100 senior staff's salaries (not even counting the rest of the executives) that employee salaries would still be hard to come by? You would be a horrible accountant lmao, you'd probably fit in well as Bungie's financial analyst.

[@toptiertech7291]

@@evorm7329 it was a typo and that messed my math up. But it’s 9090 per year. Or $174 a week. So the ceo can take $0 and all the fired employees can get $174 a week. Show me what the ceo makes? Do a google search and tell me what you find

[@GeremyG]

Bungie leadership was really more receptive to a Destiny version of Genshin Impact than Destiny 3. I guess Pete really needed more cars.

[@drogozi3308]

Kinda forgot they need proper management, staff and budget to do what hoyo does. Western developers being mogged by that former mobile game company will never not be funny.

[@sioneris1545]

Destiny died with Beyond Light for me, when it deleted all its old content, purchased that expansion and it was my worst mmo experience with the least content.

[@SilverGeFer]

I still don’t understand that decision. At some point, I wanted to get back into Destiny once it became free with Beyond Light and I figured I’d get caught up on the story again to know what’s happening. Well, turns out they had removed all of the main game’s story content, so I had no idea what I was doing. As it is, the game just drops you in the tower after the Destiny 1 intro and you’re stuck wondering where to go or who to talk to get into the story content. Terrible design decision to bring in new players. Makes you give up on the game faster if anything.

[@brya9681]

Same. Haven't played since

[@cheerio2298]

wait, so bungie deleted the original story missions that launched with the game?​@@SilverGeFer

[@ronniesparidice]

Still wonder why laymen gaming was dropped. Was said he was tired of talking about gaming news and wanted to just review..

[@Disconnis]

​@@cheerio2298Correct. They sunsetted/vaulted 4 PAID campaigns including The Red War, Curse of Osiris, Warmind, and Forsaken (only for them to re-sell Forsaken back to us if I remember right), as well as 9 strikes and 5 raids....

[@Mahbu]

"Destiny is one of the greatest franchises"? Bro, that is not fact. I'm sorry, man, but that's crazy talk. You must have Stockholm syndrome or something. The Destiny franchise isn't bad but it's not great either. Outside of its crisp, clean shooting and movement. . Destiny's other big claim to fame is stumbling constantly and teetering on the edge of disaster. And forever being a symbol of not meeting potential. To some of you here, this comes as a shock. To me? It was inevitable.

[@toptiertech7291]

“Other thing it’s crisp, clean shooting and movement” you mean the core of the game? You’re saying the core of the game was really good? That’s why people like it 😂

[@Mahbu]

@@toptiertech7291 Don't get ahead of yourself, chief. A game is more than its shooting. Like what you have to do with the shooting. The maps are bland, the enemies limited. Missions and quests? You're gonna tell me with a straight face they were "good"? Or their storytelling was anything other than average to terrible? The only other positive thing I can think of is aesthetic and it wasn't THAT original.

[@toptiertech7291]

@@Mahbu crisp clean shooting and MOVEMENT. If an fps has good maps and story but bad movement and shooting you think the game will succeed? Shooting and movement is the literal core of the game. Everything else you named was personal opinion that wasn’t the core. What was wrong with the mission and quests? They seemed like typical mmo or rpg quests to me. If you didn’t like the story that’s ok. How many mmo games have stories that really matter? The core game loop for Destiny is fun. You would play a game with a good story that felt awful to play?

[@Mahbu]

@@toptiertech7291 Your assertion is flawed. Yes, great shooting and movement can sell a game with a mediocre story and okay maps. But good maps and story CAN sell a game with average movement and shooting. I absolutely WOULD play a game with an amazing story but average gameplay. It'd bring it down in points, sure, but I'd still play. Perhaps you've not played a lot of MMOs? I have. From Everquest and Ragnarok Online to World of Warcraft and Final Fantasy 14. I've also played a lot of FPS games on console AND computer. Counterstrike, Battlefield, Call of Duty, Metal of Honor, Halo, etc. Etc. Etc. And, of course, I played a lot of Destiny 1 and 2. So believe me when I say I know what I'm talking about here. Destiny had some of the most bland maps with nothing going on. Destiny 2 shared in those sins. They felt. . sterile and empty And, unlike MMOs, they don't have the excuse of being "massively multiplayer" as to why this was the case. They could've done more like, say, the Division (first game, not the second) in visual storytelling. . but they didn't. Maybe you didn't play Destiny 1 but I did. I remember that most of the lore and story was locked behind pokemon cards you couldn't even access while in the game. I still remember the whole "I don't have time to explain why I don't have time to explain" line that was emblematic of Destiny's story. Destiny 2 improved on that, I guess, with a slightly more coherent story. . and a whole lot of ups and downs. Lightfall, anyone? The only thing it has IS the shooting and movement. That's the only reason Destiny didn't die sooner. But the uneven and inconsistent. . and frankly chaotic support keeps handicapping that. And the, what's the term they use? sunsetting content? Destiny isn't a bad game. Had a lot of fun with it despite tis many shortcomings and failing to live up to potential or promise. . . but "one of the greatest" is a line too far. Especially with this unceremonious end.

[@boysenbeary]

The real Destiny killer was the Destiny we played along the way

[@RJCMaxification]

skip destiny talk --> 7:55 please don't take it personally mr skillup I like your videos

[@SkillUp]

Fair tbh

[@spaceperson613]

As an unfortunate destiny Veteran... Thank you both for your service in spite of Bungie's 🙏🏻

[@katamarankatamaranovich9986]

I wish I've seen this comment earlier

[@zain1smith]

This comment should be pinned.

[@vii9779]

Still stings to have to retire Fatebringer, Ace, and my recent returning Not Forgotten. But the memories help I guess, cheers for the years Guardians.

[@gazbo3774]

Honestly - the only reason I haven’t played Destiny 2 is the convoluted policy for paid DLC that would later be deleted, the game doesn’t offer much in terms of new people playing it, and if anything, just makes me wanna just put up my old Destiny 1 file

[@TheCrewExpendable]

I tried to get into Destiny 2 a few years ago as a completely new player. The new player experience is completely non-existent. You get one small intro mission and then you are just thrown into the hub area with no guidance and are treated like you've been playing the game for a decade. Also the terminology is so confusing. e.g. Strikes, episodes, missions, quests, and raids are all non-interchangeable terms that mean different things

[@Yilue]

They dont delete big dlcs anymore. Only the seasonal content with the acception of dungeons and raids. That still fucking sucks tho. Makes the game such a convoluted mess. Your missing out on like 70% of destinys story in the actual game. At least we have youtube videos I guess.

[@jojak0512]

As someone who has played destiny since d1's launch, I have absolutely no idea why anyone would want to get into this game. From a vet's perspective the game feels actively hostile and not very rewarding to anyone who would dare to get into it for the past like 3 years now. I already bought the deluxe edition of The Final Shape because I'm an idiot and still had a little bit of faith left in Bungie so I might as well ride out the rest of this year but after that I'm legit done.

[@UniverseGlider2]

@@jojak0512 you and I are in the same boat. And hostile is the absolute right word. It is actively hostile to new players. The content is so obtuse and the game is honestly very difficult with a story that doesn’t make sense to a new player. If you’re new, there’s nothing in destiny for you. And I hate to say that because I love destiny since launch

[@youraveragehotdog6836]

Destiny 1 was just a better game, it respected your time, yeah destiny 2 has more content and quality of life, but it's all the same and the content quality in destint 2 is far worse, they chose quantity over quality. Not to mention destiny 2 hasn't evolved nearly as much as it should for a 7 year long game

[@matttheaxolotl5224]

I made it a drinking game to drink everytime Bungie/Destiny is mentioned on Skill Up. Haven't been sober in years.

[@topgamer101]

He has an obvious bias for a flawed and imho garbage product. We all have bias so hard to fault there, but it's the times when someone won't admit/take their bias into account when talking about something that bothers me. I love the Legacy of Kain games, Soul Reaver 1 and 2 in particular, but they aren't perfect. SR1 had a long issue on PC where trying to use a controller fucks it up, it's game play is dated, etc and 2 is better but still has a couple moments of critic that could be thrown at it. You'll NEVER hear me say they are absolute perfection or some of the best things to ever exist. I love them for the aspects they are amazing at, but I won't try to pass them off as something they aren't.

[@reginaldbowman7820]

😂

[@RimshotKiller]

He called The Destiny franchise one of the greatest franchises of all time in gaming, calling that a fact, whether you like it or not. I generally like Ralph, but sometimes all that I can think of is "he's a bit lost, but he's got the spirit".

[@boxhead6177]

Could be worse, you could drink everytime Jason Schreier is mentioned. At this point I don't think there is anyone in the gaming industry who doesn't call him the day after they get fired.

[@MrMooMoo088]

​@RimshotKiller yeah I had to call him out in my comment for that too. Since they started this franchise they have participated in some of the worst business practices in the industry. That is the only cold hard fact about this franchise. I really thought he was pretty self aware about his need to Crowbar Destiny into everything but what a massive L saying it's one of the greatest franchises ever.

[@YeahSureLetsGoSeeYamcha]

Rejoice! No more wasted time covering destiny!

[@FlareNeos6]

Hah I stopped playing after Forsaken when they implemented sunsetting and I’ve never looked back, when you charge $40-$60 a year for expansions plus 3-4 battle passes a year it got too exhausting to keep up with. I got back into Monster Hunter World recently which is how a live service game should be done imo

[@ardent835]

Is anyone really surprised by what Bungie did, people have been noticing the red flags for years but when a new expansion drops everyone forgets and moves on.

[@thefrenchbastard1646]

people didn't notice last time they blamed everything on there previous publisher and everyone fell for it dispite the red flags pointing towards there own management being the problem

[@Ehh.....]

What they were still messing with with shifty monitization after leaving Activision blizzard I knew something was up with them.

[@Xynth25]

​@@Ehh..... tfw the Activision monetization was *more* consumer friendly lmao...

[@therealslimsagey5561]

7:08 "Destiny is one of the greatest franchises in the history of video games, you may not like it fair enough but that is just a fact" - Shill Up Destiny is not even in the top 100 video game franchises and it's legacy will be one of greed, unfulfilled potential and straight up contempt for its fans. The PvP ignored for half a decade at this point, gambit is trash, sunsetting of content people have paid for and no longer have access to. I could go on, but calling this one of the greatest video game franchises ever is actually quite offensive, it is one of the main reasons so many companys have pivoted to greedy live service's that Ralph unironically lambasts EA or Ubisoft when they do it. Skill Up is a massive hypocrite with lines like this just make me want to unsubscribe.

[@janky477]

What's that? Sorry, the new expansion just dropped, I can't hear you over my blind hype! I hope they fix 7 years of broken bugs and glitches in this update. /s

[@SamHarrison2099]

Of course expansions sales would decline every time, because Bungie made it feel like you had to have played everything. So if you missed an expansion, or even if you missed some seasonal story content, you felt like there was no point in buying the next one. It's like with fantasy novels, people don't jump in at book 3 - every sequel book sells less than the one before it.

[@SamHarrison2099]

We needed Destiny 3 and we needed it years ago, so people who want to play but felt shut out could jump back on.

[@Shortstop803]

If you torch and rebuild your “goodwill bridge” enough times, eventually people will refuse to cross it, regardless of what’s on the other side.

[@Muppet-kz2nc]

Current Destiny is terrible for new players. Onboarding XP is awful. DLCs are too expensive. Bungie has mismanaged Destiny into the ground.

[@MetalDEmpire]

Im sadly glad I quit D2 at the onset of Lightfall. I returned to Warframe after like 5 years, and it feels like home.

[@PsychoticCpu]

I was a religious D1 player, every week, every reset for years... D2 came out and they said they had to reset for the new engine, it hurt to loose everything and go back to a game with little to no content but I followed Bungie because I believed that this new engine meant that they could eventually support a larger game with more content.... lies... they just started removing raids/strikes and paid content because "the game was too big" and yet it was a fraction of what GTA or CoD was.... They have always been disrespectful to their players time and investment and I'm glad to hear they are finally paying the price. Would come back for a Destiny Gold edition with ALL D1 and D2 and so would my entire raid group but for now we have all jumped ship and we just play Warframe that has grown and evolved every day since 2013 and shows no sign of slowing down or removing content players paid for.

[@kodi7024]

Castle Crashers is getting a new dlc 15 years after release. Thought there might be some here who are interested.

[@danielcook4918]

Humm. That's sick actually

[@smallbutdeadly931]

Much more hype behind that DLC than Destiny 2 updates. Fuk yeah painter boss!!!!!!!!!

[@Senumunu]

Beat-em-ups are sick and they don't waste your time. Only recently came around but discovered castle crashers rather quickly.

[@DontuseMyRealNameYTplz1425]

BattleBlock Theater is getting a QoL update as well. TBH I’m surprised that game isn’t on Switch yet

[@WolfyRagnarok]

Oh wow, do I have to have the remastered version of Castle Crashers, or is it compatible with my original version?

[@Silverguise]

I think Avowed is delayed because it was originally set to launch near Indiana Jones. Microsoft likely decided to take a note from Nintendo and spread their releases out a bit more

[@DontuseMyRealNameYTplz1425]

It’s quite literally what they said. It’s not about other releases, it’s about Game Pass releases

[@Calladim]

Yeah spread them out to two releases per generation 😂

[@maofria1452]

​@@Calladimu savage 🤣

[@superbit415]

Yeah but MS knew about their gamepass lineup a few months ago too. They didn't need to lie to us during not E3 and say Avowed is coming out this year.

[@alexlyster3459]

Right idea, wrong game. Avowed was pushed back because STALKER 2 was delayed right into Avowed's launch window.

[@seita8095]

Hey! Just wanted to say thank you for consistent weekly updates. As somebody who works 9-5, it’s my guilty pleasure to work my mornings listening to gaming news!

[@shootthechicken2583]

Same here ! It’s the best day of the work week when we get this !

[@shadowofnoc5760]

Why guilty?

[@DrRipper19]

It's disgusting that they didn't just downsize game informer into a basic light-staffed outfit and find ways to keep it profitable off of its reputation and connections and instead just gave it the axe. Line's gotta keep going up I guess.

[@20marzboy]

The feed the deep game looks exactly like dome keeper almost right down to the resources getting picked up and dragged around

[@FlatFootedLlama]

First thing I noticed, which made it really surprising that he didn’t mention dome keeper since I found out about Dome Keeper from a skillup video lol

[@zilliq-qz5uw]

I thought for sure it would be the same devs

[@EastyyBlogspot]

So the 1 billion to retain staff...wonder what happened to that

[@TheCrewExpendable]

"We spent $1 billion retaining executive staff"

[@angryfauxgaming1424]

Pete retained himself with new cars with that money

[@iNuwanda]

Pete bought a lot of cars. Like, A LOT of cars

[@orpheus3357]

They burnt through it. Destiny 2 is already known to be very expensive to maintain and then also all those incubation projects.

[@manynukes11]

Maybe if they actually reinvested resources into Destiny then each expansion would attract MORE people and not be seen as a joke. Destiny will go down as one of the greatest missed potentials in gaming

[@robsonpommer7464]

There's never a good time to be a live service fan

[@PandaJerk007]

7:08 LOL "Destiny is one of the greatest franchises in the history of video games" LOL 😂

[@jimincos]

it is

[@sealthrux]

12:56 EA and other giants ALWAYS do this. They make a HUGE bad change, then walk back the least bad part of it. And people think they're good again

[@CaptainBrawnson]

You know what WON'T suffer from the effects of lay-off on production? The microtransactions. If anything, they'll push their horrendous monetization even further.

[@WholeHolyHole]

no way Parsons gets to remain as CEO. my guess is they made him stay on to take the heat for the layoffs and he's going to retire due to "completely unrelated personal reasons" in the next few months.

[@Scarecr0wn]

With big bag of money...

[@Icipher353]

He wants retire to spend more time on his car collection.

[@boxhead6177]

Sadly, he will remain CEO of Bungie... until it closes, sometime in the next 10 months. The staff that got transferred to Sony may be the lucky ones here.

[@HollowKira]

NGL I would not be surprised if Marathon gets cancelled too, and sony just pulls the plug on the whole studio counting it as lost. Less work to just write it off and throw it away than to try and fix a tumor of a studio.

[@toptiertech7291]

Why do you guys think big businesses are going to fire a CEO?

[@comrade_snarky]

The absolute lack of self-awareness to think a Braid remaster was going to do numbers in 2024. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy /s

[@vedaryan334]

Wait what happened with jon blow

[@theovermatt]

Was gonna say, I suspect at least more than a few people ignored it specifically because of Jonathan Blow...

[@staticpurge]

@@vedaryan334I don’t think anything happened, he’s just always been very outspoken about the gaming industry, to the point of alienating basically everyone in it. That said, I played a bit of the anniversary edition from Netflix, I don’t really think it’s the type of game that needed a remaster, even with the fancy comparison videos etc. I am surprised he expected it to sell when its core audience bought it over a decade ago.

[@Destiny2Oversimplified]

Hi Ralph. Great video as always. It makes me really sad that the Destiny community is left in disarray and worry since the announcement. I don't mean this as a shameless self-promo, but a few weeks ago I had created this KZbin channel because I kept seeing so many posts after Final Shape's launch about new and returning players left confused and intimidated by the new light experience. My goal was to offer super simple content that was friendly and welcoming. I still plan on making videos for these guardians, but it's difficult that the community doesn't really know what all of this means for the future of Destiny. This is a franchise that has got me so many dark moments in my life, and I've had a blast with my clan for years now tackling the new raids and content. I think a lot of us don't really know what to say at this point. It's just sad. But I think it's, once again, up to the Destiny community to stay as positive as we can because that's really all we can do. Destiny might be on it's last legs, but I want to make sure those who are interested see all the good the franchise has done, and maybe not focus on all the negative things. cheers

[@AaronthePedantic]

I had such a terrible experience trying to come back to Destiny 2 after a few years off that I’d never go back short of a new title. Half my content I paid for was gone, the zones were inhospitable, there was so much grind and cash shop nonsense.. it doesn’t matter how fun the gameplay is

[@toptiertech7291]

Yall complain for nothing. Everything in the cash shop is cosmetic. You can’t buy guns or attachments. So how was it nonsense? The game wasn’t perfect but let’s not lie and exaggerate

[@AaronthePedantic]

@@toptiertech7291 the fact I can buy all the expansions and still be unable to get the best exotics and get way less stuff is kind of an issue. They have the progression model of a purely F2P game while having full price expansions. And since I paid for the game as well at launch and bought early expansions that I can no longer play, it burns extra

[@thecrtf4953]

Man i wonder if vaulting so much of the fucking content mightve helped make the problem even worse

[@MalevolentMinun]

Crazy when your boss arrives to work in one of his many new classic cars to say he can't afford to keep you on.

[@hope_youhaveagoodday]

"This baby costs more than we pay you in a year, so you're fired!"

[@BlackTone91]

2.3mil dont make a diffrence if you think about it

[@kunimitsune177]

His personal money is completely irrelevant to the business. Particularly when he just SOLD HIS SHARES TO SONY. I swear this comment section is 90% 12 year olds.

[@Chopzi11a]

Woke corpos for ya

[@louisvf]

@@MalevolentMinun it really does not work like that, it really is not like he can put his personal assets into the employee scheme lol, don’t get me wrong, this entire industry is corrupt, but the way people talk about it is just a fantasy lol, no way it is related.

[@wanderer6161]

Destiny 2 being a colossal failure year over year just goes to show the shit show Bungie was trying to pull. It's a good thing that it has finally come to an end.

[@brunogonzales3752]

Hasn't, by the way. You'll keep saying the same shi for a couple more of years. Be seeing ya!

[@michaelross3241]

I emotionally came to terms with never getting HL3 over 5 years ago. I can't believe I genuinely got excited at the idea it might be in development. Fingers crossed!

[@maskedspartan7397]

I used to watch this show just to support shillup. But ive recently become really busy to keep up with the games industry. Now i REALLY see the value of this show

[@UltraHorseBoots]

On the topic of the Avowed delay, MS does have an incentive to space out their first party titles. Spacing out their titles by months means more months Microsoft can charge consumers for game pass.

[@morbid1.]

as always people responsible for state of things are never punished, while workers w/o any power in the matters are paying for dogshit c-level decisions...

[@Chopzi11a]

That’s woke corpos for ya 🤷‍♂️

[@Calladim]

And it's no one's fault but our own.

[@guitarsoupify]

@@Chopzi11a as if corporations haven't been doing the exact same since before DEi was a concept, even for longer than you've been alive. but hey anything to get an ineffectual swipe at your boogeyman, right?

[@Ehh.....]

​@@Chopzi11aThe same ones who vote red for less of the regulations that would prevent them from doing this crap in the first place. Real woke of them.

[@BuzzaB77]

Warframe does expansions, but they are FREE. Not to mention it's monetization across the rest of the game is far less egregious. How is that game thriving whilst the so-called free game that charges for everything and gates content Is dying? Hmmmmm

[@disliked1390]

the gameplay is ass tho

[@BenBuckton-te2pm]

Because Warframe is a fundamentally different game that operates on a mobile game payment model with a trade option to bypass it if you grind enough.

[@JohnnyVenison]

​@@disliked1390To be completely fair, it's a more involved and mentally demanding gameplay loop than Destiny 2 could ever be.

[@JohnnyVenison]

Warframe ain't only free, but the premium currency is so easy to earn it's insane, most real money purchases you can make also come with some of it included, AND you can get discount coupons for it sometimes.

[@BuzzaB77]

@@disliked1390 lol, tell me you've never played it without telling me you've never played it. Warframe has many faults, people talk about how long it takes to get going, the grind, the new player experience isn't hand held, there's content islands, complexity, too many systems. the only complaint I have NEVER heard is about gameplay lol. Of all the things that is one best element that is universally agreed on.

[@dazombi]

I haven't been emotionally affected buy business decisions until this game informer situation. I would read that magazine cover to cover every month as a kid and it was an entry point to my love of journalism. Sad that it won't exist anymore.

[@martinrudolph5938]

My apologies, but calling Destiny "one of the greatest franchises in the history of videogames" is a wild call. Destiny 1 did verywell and was innovative and beyond, but Destiny 2? A mess from the start, even the hardcore fans in my group were lukewarm to it when it released and some lapsed while others didn't and the fall of is crazy when taking in account the success of the first game. Furthermore Destiny 2 never pulled the numbers it should have to be called one of the greatest franchises. Hell, Helldivers 2 pulled 100.000 more players on its peak on steam when compared to Destiny 2. A succesfull 2 game series? Maybe, one of the GREATEST FRANCHISES in gaming is a very very very tall call for a franchise that died in less than a decade.

[@blackout1518]

Most wild take I’ve ever heard from shill up

[@Ceece20]

I honestly tried to get into D2 during the Witch Queen expansion, and the game is outright hostile to new players. Short tutorial and then literally everything at once: story cutscenes showing up in any order, strikes, raids, PvP, Crucible, timegated old expansion content, why aren’t you working on the season pass, are you not pinnacle light level already, Iron Banner, why are you such a blueberry, don’t you know every hidden clue and game mechanic… And on and on and on. I quit after doing GM strikes when I realized I was just bored of it all, same enemies, same content, all of it just not fun, and it still felt like I had to sprint constantly to keep up (and not just literally).

[@micheljolicoeur6094]

@SkillUp, Bungie lost 450 people (220+155+75) 3 days ago, not 350 as you said.

[@BlackTone91]

and still 1000 left

[@FuneralPyre999]

D2 started to die when they decided to sunset all the previous story content and put out a new player experience, which is one of the worst in gaming ever. No wonder the game wasn´t growing at all, there is absolutely nothing exciting when you start up the game for the first time (anyone remembers the great time when we played Homecoming from The Red War campaign?!). It´s a shame, a damn shame!

[@HekateMGO]

This feels like a vicious cycle they’ve started. “Don’t over-deliver on a project” > underperform financially > cut people to save money > product suffers > underperform financially > cut people to save money > product suffers and so on.

[@grundged]

Why in the world would you want a 3rd Destiny? 🤦‍♂️

[@TheTrueChuster]

Man, the videogames industry is so cool...

[@tonyluiscomedy]

Calling Destiny one of the greatest franchises a "fact" is pretty tough to say when even you pointed out there were more downs than ups. The series has been mid to anyone but the most hardcore fans for its ENTIRE life. Sorry Mr. Ralph but I think that's just your opinion man.

[@Winnandrew]

I’d argue there are objective metrics as to measure a game’s “greatness” - in the definitive sense - as SkillUp is positing. No game in the genre has done live service nearly as well, and it shows in player count and in the game’s financials. Not to mention the game’s mechanics, and the scale/longevity of its expansions and content updates. I’m no Bungie stan, but love it or hate it, Destiny absolutely has no contemporary.

[@zarnubiusbukowski7019]

Yeah I get that he likes the game a lot but that was a paint-huffer tier statement. Literally no one I've ever talked to has thought Destiny was anything more than mid.

[@Shaderox]

@@Winnandrew That definetly makes you sounds like a "Bungie stan", Not sure exactly where you drew the lines for "no game in the genre has done live service nearly as well", because if you're talking looter shooters, then Warframe is doing quite well too, and if you're talking first person shooters Apex Legends is doing quite a lot better... and neither of those live-service games charges full game price + up to full game price for each expansion in addition to live service optional costs (let me remind you those were consumable in Destiny 2 for a while too) and cutting old content left & right. So while Destiny 2 is a better game than i'd like to admit (when just talking about the gameplay part of it), I'm gonna have to put my foot down when someone calls it a good live-service, because even EA is impressed by Bungies audacity in that regard.

[@ReeferMusic]

@@Shaderox I'd have to agree with you there. I was pretty consciously aware of Destiny 1 and Destiny 2's launch, and I can never recall any point in time where a large majority of people were satisfied with the game. I think a lot of people were just kinda like "It's better than the first one". I also find it kinda funny that Bungie left Halo 9 years after the first one released, and now Destiny 2, 9 years after it's initial release. They started out under Microsoft and ended up under Sony. Now 75 of them are breaking away to start anew on a new sci-fi action game. Really feels like history is just repeating and paralleling itself at this point, lol.

[@philbarton2832]

Yeah that was a weird take from Ralph, I couldn't tell if he was joking but if he wasn't...yikes 😬

[@EldritchAnimation]

Everyone's so sad about a magazine they haven't bought since 2004.

[@SICK_O]

Yeah, my thoughts exactly. Nuking the recorded gaming history is lame , but I'm sure 90% of the contemporary gaming audience is unlikely to give a dusty fudge about it.

[@InvaderShane]

I stopped playing Destiny 2 when they started locking out content that I paid for. I have never seen a game remove more content than it added. Could've been something special.

[@via_negativa6183]

let's not get ahead of ourselves mate. Destiny was a decent mmo shooter game but if it was truly one of the greatest franchises of all time this wouldn't have happened, and that's the fact here not the heartbroken opinion of an obvious fan.

[@dryb0lt]

He said it so matter of factly, actually caught me off guard. Destiny never has and never will never touch that milestone he claimed it did lol

[@toptiertech7291]

I mean name 15 franchises better. And what do you mean “this”? A buyout and layoff? Is halo one of the best franchises because it had something exactly like this happen

[@williammoore1030]

7:08 How is it a fact that Destiny is one of the greatest franchises of all time? Are you talking revenue, cause I wouldn’t consider that greatness just look at the revenue some Mobil games make, and I certainly don’t consider those great. If you’re talking about gameplay or story, that is subjective and not a fact. I played the first one a lot and the second one not very much and I think they were just grindfests.

[@TKBadMoon]

As someone with like 7000+ hours across both Destiny's, Destiny does not even make my top 50, possibly even top 100. Destiny has NEVER lived up to even half of it's potential lmao. They'e been hopscotching from crisis to stable to crisis to stable for 10 years. "One of the best franchises" lmao.

[@miirico5398]

The Final Shape: Their Final Job I'll get my coat...

[@Tracker947]

YOUR COAT IS MINE!

[@WHlSKYtx]

You should get fired too for that one

[@soaringspoon]

Amy is cursed to never release anything again. Hidden Hennig: The curse of Uncharted.

[@Atraira]

as someone who grew up with bungie it's heartbreaking to me how they could never find a passionate leader with a clear vision and goal, and how they absolutely refused to own any of their mistakes

[@12isaac00]

"You either die a Bungie or live long enough to see yourself become the Bungo"

[@Jack-yb8oc]

Destiny is far from one of gaming's greatest franchises lol.

[@vincenttorrijos9680]

Even us Destiny 2 players can see these signs, no amount of our usual cope can help us: Bungie, and by extension Destiny, is fucking dead

[@MemoryyOG]

Skill up & Yongyea really do be having some wild takes. Saying Destiny is one of the greatest franchises in history and saying that’s a fact is the craziest glaze I’ve heard in a long. Stop the cap Ralph, just stop it.

[@toptiertech7291]

Name 10 franchises better

[@MemoryyOG]

@@toptiertech7291 super Mario bros, Zelda, halo, dark souls, castlevania, guilty gear, street fighter, assassin creed(older ones), final fantasy, resident evil, monster hunter, red dead, borderlands, animal crossing, the Witcher, super smash bros, elder scrolls, minecraft, terraria, and tekken.

[@MemoryyOG]

@@toptiertech7291 hell even the dragon ball z games are better than destiny 😂

[@MemoryyOG]

@@toptiertech7291 oh & let’s not forget about the first 3 gears of war games.

[@Tatman2TheResQ]

Loving the guests you've got for the upcoming podcast episode.

[@galerusgg9243]

Final shape was not incdedible. Because if it was then the players wouldnt have left. It is just common sense.

[@deep_amok]

How can someone be so bad at their job, such that firing staff has become a regular part of their development cycle?

[@Chopzi11a]

Those DEI initiatives really eat into profits don’t they?

[@deep_amok]

@@Chopzi11a don't make this political fuckface

[@boysenbeary]

As a person who still plays Destiny, the DCV really killed new player on-boarding.

[@Simte]

RIP printed media and physical media in general, you made the old days great.

[@Kaiza5150]

The "Destiny & Destiny 2 Saga" has been my favorite gaming Soap Opera for the last 10 years. All the plot twists along the way, it couldnt end any other.

[@simpson6700]

15:39 i'm not entirely sure what they were going for here, but that sprite animation looks AI generated with how unstable the shapes are.

[@in2darabbithole967]

In what universe is Destiny, one of the greatest franchise in the history of video game? No more Kool-Aid for you.

[@iqanadil4067]

Not sure you read this. Still, gonna write it anyway. Avowed getting delayed is not about too many games releasing, it's about too many gamepass major releases. Indy, CoD, flight simulator, Stalker 2 and smaller releases like age of mythology, ara, replaced etc. They're all coming between Sep and Dec.

[@fishkey]

@Skill Up do you think there will now be a "Destiny 2 Complete Edition"? I've dipped my toe into D2 but am a solo player and the amount of content is daunting so I've been waiting for a complete edition to get and really dive in.

[@MonkeyJazz75]

Me and several of my friends and my brother and his friends (totaling somewhere around 8 of us) have all wanted to play D2 but have heard nothing but horrible things about the new player experience and high buy-in cost for all of us to have all the relevant content. It was a constant pushback for us ever playing it. I can't imagine how many people/groups have felt this way.

[@MrMooMoo088]

7:17 it's a fact dude? yeah this is absolutely delusional. This franchise has heavily participated in the absolute worst business practices in the industry. I'm amazed this recent news surprises anybody.

[@corvoargentum4372]

Hearing "Destiny is one of the greatest franchises in video games" made me spit my drink. What a crock of shit. Even at launch Destiny was a trainwreck. It WAS "POISED" to be the next big gaming franchise but it shit the bed and rolled around in it for like a year before it wiped itself down and made Taken King completely revamping the game and fixing it. And they then repeated the cycle with D2 until they got their head out of their ass with Forsaken. Its unfortunate the game is likely on life support now but lets not pretend that the path its made isnt full of its own bullshit.

[@mythicalsalmon3621]

Bungie: Breathes Skillup: OMG! Put it in the title now!

[@comrade_snarky]

@@mythicalsalmon3621 don't think there's much danger of Bungie doing that much longer.

[@zackfair711]

HLX = Half-Life X They just skipped 3 to 9 because of how long it took 😂

[@ubermench3000]

Electronic Gaming Monthly was the real top dog when it came to game magazines.

[@milicabojic9434]

Whats the game at 10:00

[@Im_The_Keymaster]

I'm also curious

[@TheCherinova]

Sorry skill up, but calling destiny "one of the greatest franchises ever" is absolutely crazy. The things people have accepted bungie doing with destiny is insulting and part of the reason the games industry has so many problems.

[@LegacyDrummer]

Bungie management ruined it but there is no doubt that with the right guidance and competent leadership, destiny could have dominated the gaming landscape

[@robertcespedes1671]

Bungie was trash but destiny was not. Amazing story. Amazing gameplay. You’re missing the point my guy.

[@crisschan2463]

Destiny is great for business perspective, bexause of how much it generates and milk players

[@EmblemParade]

You say you don't think Avowed and S.T.A.L.K.E.R 2 would step on each others' toes, and that sounds weird to me. They surely emphasize different gameplay mechanics, but to me they're definitely in the same ballpark and I'm excited about both.

[@philbarton2832]

Both have the same perspective but both are wildly different in tone and gameplay.

[@vincechan2096]

Destiny from day 1 was planned to be a 10 year project, not an annual one. It was always supposed to be an MMORPG experience, but then the environment changed.

[@forestcaine]

"The final shape was incredible." This wouldint be happening if it lived up to expectations. Destiny died a LONG time ago to the general gamer.

[@kiiwikiori7542]

'Destiny is one of the greatest game franchises' its two games and 1.5 of them are bad? lol