[Skullgirls Mobile] Why is Big Band the WORST Character in the Game? feat. @Water_Melon_n_n

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00:00 Intro
01:53 Character Design
06:05 Meta History & Relevance
11:10 Ideas for Buffs and Changes
11:18 Catalyst
13:08 Abilities
15:55 Moves
19:33 Variants
24:11 Ideas for Future Variants
26:58 Conclusion
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[@ZeoW17]

Time Stamp: 01:53 Character Design 06:05 Meta History & Relevance 11:10 Ideas for Buffs and Changes 11:18 Catalyst 13:08 Abilities 15:55 Moves 19:33 Variants 24:11 Ideas for Future Variants 26:58 Conclusion

[@believerperson]

You can put this in description and marks will appear on timeline

[@believerperson]

wtf, i don't see marks, but it definitely should work, i did it many times, strange.. Maybe in description too much information already, sorry

[@ZeoW17]

Thanks for the reminder! Yeah, not sure why it's not showing up.. Might take a bit more time, I guess.

[@Iamcuvi]

Idk but Big Band’s variant robocopy’s new reboted abilities are pretty good for a silver variant to gain a nice amount of enrage and barrier

[@ReshiramEighteen]

Just wanted to come out and say that I have a guilty pleasure for the big tuba man. Even if his kit is god awful and his variants haven’t received the utility to be super rift viable or the modern defensive treatment, his combo game is quite fun and his PA is absurd.

[@gaming1zanagi-1999.]

Ye I in fact like his blockbuster alot and having a blast on doing tuba tuba on the AI XD

[@Yinnplif]

I feel like it would be cool if the unblockable Blockbuster (TubaTuba) had the Ability to remove opponent buffs or transfer the buffs the opponents has to himself

[@decadenciaanacronica.4251]

But then Dream Band Variant become useless...

[@gaming1zanagi-1999.]

Ye funnily enough I get the silver one of it early on and having a blast on doing it to AI XD

[@hunterhale3644]

@@decadenciaanacronica.4251 how so?

[@Have_some_plasma]

Well hey, you were heard.

[@thesickness431]

This is a great video idea! Can't wait to check it out. I think a series like this would be cool for others like "Why X is best character in the game" or "why Y is considered the hardest to play in the game" or something like that

[@frog9311]

Prediction: Why Eliza is the best sweeper in the game

[@bins5186]

Just a little note. Big Band's Prestige Ability can be charged when taking hits, meaning even if he's in defense and you're dealing long combos to him, he will still charge his PA.

[@ZeoW17]

Yep!

[@ashmyoshi3912]

One of the big problems of big band is also AI changes as AI was at first just a bunch of punching bags now that they can actually fight back somewhat big band fell behind being the only character who was designed to be just a punching bag and less of an offensive threat so he just doesn't have much of a threat when he forces block hits when dashing with armor due to this he falls behind since variants that are top defenders have a secondary offensive part,heavy metal ,splitting image,lovecrafted,plot twisted or support abilities like model leader, all trauma center valentines, surgeon general,killjoy,raining champ which only one big band does hence him being on of the better big band defenders

[@ZeoW17]

Reading this was a bit hard..

[@ashmyoshi3912]

@@ZeoW17 I'm sorry

[@MrLednard]

To me, the biggest problem with Big Band is his total lack of offensive abilities. If you take Painwheel for example, she's completely busted in Defense because they gave her a few defensive bonus on top of her completely busted offense. When you fight her, you're usually one mistake away from dying. Especially with Neuromancer who punishes you for playing the game. Big Band is on the opposite side of the spectrum, he's just a time waster and usually nothing of a real threat because he can't really hurt you.

[@ZeoW17]

True, although I think having different defensive strats is pretty cool. I feel like Painwheel is a bit of a special case, the synergy between her catalyst and marquee is too perfect, just like Model and Blue Shift, but stronger because it's a character trait instead of a variant trait. BBand is indeed a time waster, but even in that aspect he doesn't do it as well as Splitting or Model. A bit of tweaks to some of his moves (like Filia's update) could potentially help him out. And if the AI could activate his PA ability, there could be some unblockable threat (not great, but it's something).

[@MrLednard]

@@ZeoW17 Well, as a non-Rift player, Painwheel is hell to fight even outside of Rift, because her Marquee Ability is so strong and because they decided to make variants that are just so good as Defenders, like Bitting Cold or Neuromancer, because their SA are so strong, even if those weren't Painwheel. And if you compare Painwheel to Big Band, you can see that starting with Marquee Abilities, they really decided to try and make Painwheel a defender, while Big Band was hit with the "We got no idea for this character" type of MA like Eliza or Squigly. And if you compare their PA, it's somewhat similar, Painwheel got the good PA and Big Band got the trash one: both rely on a huge number of hit, and yet Painwheel got one that isn't too bad though RNG reliant while Big Band got some terrible PA that rely on the same thing that Big Band always played on and that was never really good: Huge combos. Though I'd argue that the reward is better in Big Band's case, but since you rarely get to activate it in the first place, it could as well be a permanent Doom it would still be Meh. Or very niche. I'll keep going with the difference between the two, but what makes Painwheel so good and Big Band so bad is that they have no fear of giving SA that are completely busted to Painwheel, like easy access to Thorns and Barrier on top of a conditionnal yet still very good 5 stacks of Regen because of her low HP; but they never give anything too good to Big Band due to his high HP. To me his best variant is Treble Maker, because it's one of the rare ones that actually play on Big Band being Big Band: he gets hit on but never dies and deal massive damages when hit. But it isn't completely busted because it's a Silver. That is unless you run into one with a stat modifier that makes it really completely broken and practically impossible to kill by conventional means. And I really think that's something they should aim for, being ready to make Big Bands with really good SA instead of being frightened by his high HP, sure, if he had something similar to Dreadlocks that would be Hell to play against, but surely, they can find something with all the good defensive buffs that he does not rely on like Barrier, Thorns or Regen.

[@marquinrobesmusic]

Design-wise, I don't really hate Big Band since he's one of the most uniquely designed characters in Fighting Game History His kit sucks though

[@spectrumscopix]

OMG! i hope they consider the ideas mentioned in the video, it would be fun and interesting to play with n_n

[@BallotBoxer]

Well done ZeoW and Water_Melon_n_n! Fabulous changes worth a try. Especially G.I. Jazz, oft ridiculed as a coward that would tag out when the his SA activated, making it useless.

[@retrogade0004]

Another thing about Band's dash being bad: it's alright at low prize fight streaks, but trading hits just to be able to hit at ALL and it's chance-based is terrible. At high streaks, you'll be hit for 13% hp while you tickle the enemy to deal 6% hp. Spamming dash and hoping it guard breaks is Band's only real offensive pressure. He has no other means of circumventing enemy defense; he just has to wait until they stop blocking. Eliza's command grab is so strong it can prevent the enemy from attacking at ALL.

[@ZeoW17]

Eliza really be setting a high bar, she literally has everything (except maybe burst damage).

[@boonduckgod1655]

@@ZeoW17 true true

[@retrogade0004]

@@ZeoW17 It's insane. And she doesn't even need burst damage with the sheer utility she has, on top of Painwheel reflect damage being so common.

[@thepersonwhoasked8578]

Beat box is the only variant that fun to use Spam Special Skill - Unblockable Blockbuster - Repeat

[@giftnizi]

New Big Band SA concept: "Staying Alive" Gain regen for 10 seconds every 15 seconds (50% of damage suffered is reflected when benefiting from regen) Also when Knocked down gain immunity and armor for 15 seconds What would your Big Band SA look like?

[@tanchristhoper3832]

i mean one of the big band diamond already got the gain immunity for that long, so it will be kind of redundant.

[@raddastronaut]

I think we should get Aeon. Both Val’s speed and flips. Parasoul s high kick and charge/reach. (Like then1inch punch) Basically, a Bruce Lee style fighter, Than and only then will I stop maining Annie; but I’m still keeping Eliza in the back because she’s amazing with that Chaos Banish and that Egyptian style. However, Robo fortune wins the war of quotes, hands down the funniest and under appreciated. -Pilaf out.

[@MuichirouTokito416]

Let's hope that he actually get buffed in 6.3 update Edit:MY BOY HAS FINALLY BEEN BUFFED

[@Orbitinbloom19018]

Such a good idea you always put out great content dude, as someone whos been playing since the beginning its funny watching this because i forgot so much but damn…i remember that big bands golden age, was so hard for me

[@retrogade0004]

bro cannot defend for his life yet he's the dedicated "tank" lmfao

[@believerperson]

1. 15:03 - Take 15% less damage* (instead defense), because the current marquee can overlap defense cap, and its work, like really 65% defense 2. 18:33 - Maybe make Tuba to inflict Stun on LAST hit?

[@ZeoW17]

Yea it was meant to go over the defense cap. I reckon the current one is coded similarly, but not sure.

[@loveyalpeople]

I appreciate the time and effort you put into this video. I agree big band is trash and he really does need a buff. it's kinda sad that he's not really good. I hope sgm takes this video into account.

[@PomadaGaming]

Yup,hopefully

[@dumbvampire8530]

i love big band as a character but i hate playing him so yeahhhh,, great video!

[@light6666]

for the marquee of just 15% defense i would say +15% defense *after* everything else (meaning it decreases the final damage he takes including damage from bleed or reflect)

[@crusaderdalek3527]

Finally shed light on this problem (my ass got flamed beacuse I play big band in the discord 😭)

[@rusutimotei3632]

i think the other marque could be epix sax's combo damage, and epic sax gets a damage buff like jaw breaker instead of the combo damage and the buffs duration extended to 10 seconds

[@Ego00oXd]

sorry i'm still a newbie in SG so I still don't know how catalysts work first where can I get a catalyst cause I only have bronze and second are they automatically equipped in your fighter or they need to be equipped somewhere if they do, pls tell me how

[@ZeoW17]

Catalysts are only in Rift Battles and are placed in your defensive base. Since you're new, don't mind them for now. You can get them in the CoC or through Catalyst Relics.

[@Ego00oXd]

@@ZeoW17 oohhhh Thank you I haven’t unlocked the rift battles so I thought the catalysts apply on other modes too lol

[@eulalawrence7478]

I have a variant idea SA1:Well Timed blocks grant Big Band auto block and infilict guard break for 5/7/10 seconds each SA2:Breaking enemy blocks grant big band 3 stacks of precision and 3 random buffs (Except Invincibility) for 6/7/8 seconds each

[@justinseverino4104]

G.I.JAZZ: as SA.2: WHILE benefiting from armor or regegenation get barrier every 1 sec. (timeless) I speak Spanish sorry if my English is bad, however I think this ability is very good since big band can gain a lot of armor ,so while big band has armor or regeneration (through supports) can get almost unlimited barriers (i use the tranlayer to say this cause it´s to long)I would also love it if they could make the unblockables can be chained into combos like in SG 2°nd encore and a few special moves and aerial blockbuster, that would be the best they could do.

[@raddastronaut]

Design wise I like Bb. I love jazz and I love Jet Black, great troupe. Like the Giant steps reference As a fighter he’s rough, not much utility. Strike up the band is a cool move, but the title of the video is pretty much. How I see it. He’s more fun to play that Beo. Beo is the least interesting fighter In the game.

[@SadDokiNoises]

Had an idea for a diamond big band variant that uses the wario pallet, anyways here it is Signature ability: boundless greed When big band is alive every 10th combo hit suffered or inflicted, depending if the opponent has a buff or debuff big band will steal that buff and reset the duration of the opponent’s debuff. Second signature ability: when facing an opponent that has a debuff inflect an extra 5% more damage per debuff (caps at 25%.) It’s sorta like a reverse dream band

[@ZeoW17]

I feel like any Big Band with a Wario pallete should be able to get Miasma somehow. I like the stealing concept though!

[@Tr0lliPop]

Looked up a combo guide for the big man, and instead found out that this game has a meta, big band sucks and that long combos are a bad thing. That last one hurts so much ;-;

[@pishposhfish]

Im not sure where to ask this so im just gonna put it here but what do you do when u hit the fighter storage limit? Sell for exp? Increase storage space with theonite?

[@xeno4946]

If you have theonite to spare go for it but if your free2play don't, and also never sell characters for xp it's such a waste and you'll regret it later when you want to evolve fighters if you want space upgrade bronze of silver variants and then evolve them and save em to use as evolve material you also get the much needed characters skill points this way

[@pishposhfish]

@@xeno4946 how do u level up the bronze characters fast? Just put a team of 2 bronze and a carry for the battles?

[@xeno4946]

@@pishposhfish yeah just bring the fighters you want to level up and then a strong card that can solo the enemy after the cards you wanted to level up hit the level cap you can sacrifice copies of the same character to evolve them to the next tier ( btw not sure if you know this but evolving a non-diamond card to diamond rank takes 3 essence of that characters element ) Edit: forgot to mention the fastest way to level up characters would be popping a 2x exp booster finishing the holodeck daily event it gives you a ton of exp especially if you can beat it on master other than that yeah just regular fighting high scoring enemies with a carry

[@ashmyoshi3912]

I'm not sure if it's still a thing but for some reason if you curse big band his prestige ability will not be unblockable despite see the enrage from it trying to be gained (the word cursed appears when gaining buffs so that's how I know the prestige is activating)

[@ZeoW17]

I think that's a bug.

[@ashmyoshi3912]

@@ZeoW17 ooh well dang

[@imunnotreal]

when i fight big band or when i use big band my phone strats to lag badly

[@fitzwilliams4215]

Now we need a why Eliza is the best attacker in the game

[@rem7458]

Bruh, that's my base. nice video, poor big band though

[@dexuspillarmen7703]

I mean, im a big band simp and i love what lab 8 did, but i do not want then to do it again, but when he lack the multiple parrys, the armor, the sax, the constant presure, the taunt, the sweaty mixes it has, satchmo deathblow, he is just not the 1:1, but mostly i do find him funny to play, i still getting the feeling of just getting trough the enemys with parry, autocombo, like in 2nd encore, parry, super, taunt, basic combo, and parry

[@LordGuitchi]

Damn. I started playing this game some days ago and since Big Band turned out to be my favorite character of Skullgirl's roster, I rerolled 'til I got Heavy Metal, as that variant has my favorite color palette for him. I guess he serves well as a bulky beatstick for offense and as a decend defender on rift (or as least that's what most people say about him as far as my research goes), but I do feel sad that he's far behind others for general combat purposes.

[@logan9163]

When skull girls mobile first came out, big band was in contention to be the best character in the game, now he's in contention for the worst overall and that's just how the ever changing meta is. I do wish that he would either get buffs to the character or to some variants or hell even get some more variants I mean it's been almost a year lol. One idea I had to throw around would be that his dash could take a few hits and the hits you take would be reduced damage like 50% because my god is it not a good idea to try to take dash attack hits at high prize fights

[@charmanbuei]

I love the video uwu

[@Varsayek]

😢 I love using the funny tuba man. Please buff him.

[@Varsayek]

He fell off all because of one horribly mid character. Fuck Annie 😡

[@name3lesskatttt]

do you think that Annie is op and are you going to do a vid of this type on her?

[@ZeoW17]

Annie is not OP. She is not great - but I'm not sure if it's because the meta is totally warped against her or whether her kit is just bad. I'm leaning towards the former.

[@transformersmax.]

@@ZeoW17 even though Annie's not OP, is moonstruck good?

[@Dvachtop]

For me the worst character is Umbrella, for now(not like I hate her, she's pretty cool to play as). The only thing that bothers me in Big Band is way too much stun in his kit. Other than that, I think he's ok, and has all rights to exist.

[@ZeoW17]

Umbrella has some problems too that I touched on a previous video. But I suppose she gets a pass because she's still relatively new-ish.

[@nanashj96]

I suggest to increase bigband hp% a little more, just because XD

[@PomadaGaming]

At first I really liked him and used him. Now,yeah this

[@resusv.f.8549]

Ok but can any other skullgirls cast play sax

[@boonduckgod1655]

The greatest defense is a good All fence

[@morrriiii]

Wait can someone tell me during the game characters randomly taunt u when they have no taunt skills present also the xreen changes colour aswell I have never really quite understood it

[@yuukiyunaSGM]

Back in the day about 4 years ago big band is the most strongest character in SGM period he is everywhere and hard to counter considering buffs and character variants was limited.

[@crusaderdalek3527]

He's made to be a tank why isn't he the best defender yet? 😭rework band

[@BonnieMaythen]

to be Honest His 1 Attack Dash immunity Is Kind Of OP

[@cralorgame3041]

Watching this video after 6.3 implemented feels strange

[@ZeoW17]

The dev listened!

[@WhatDoorAmIAt]

I’m gonna be real. I highly doubt Band will ever get a rework. Treble Maker was a step in the right direction sure and Robocopy was an odd choice so any form of attention is good I suppose. However for a character who is so overwhelmingly seen as god awful by this point you think he would get a little more than one or two variants being changed. He’s got a lot of defence buffs but why not any thing like thorns or something. (I know Megasonic has it but that’s one variant who can only be unlocked in one specific relic.) I’m being serious when I say he feels slightly better on the offence right now with Beatbox, Epic Sax and Vintage being mediocre but somewhat usable.

[@DontInterractWithMeBetween9-5.]

melons idea is literally umbrella-candy crusher...

[@ZeoW17]

how so?

[@pig-man77]

sounds like hes mad because it isnt thigh sock jiggle physics woman big tube man rise up

[@ZeoW17]

Wat

[@Felix048]

He's still weak, biased or not.

[@pig-man77]

lets give a big hand for big band

[@Unusual_friday]

I don't like big band, i find him annoying to play as and to play against, I've never used him and i refuse to use him, whenever i have to battle big band and if they are powerful, i normally use someone like criminal mind cerebella, wich obviously has a thorns when hitting the opponent for 10% more of their hp, and with how many times big band hits me, I use space case and her doom ability, hoping for the timer to tick down and finish off the powerful big band

[@iv689]

*laughs in comp player...* *...cries in comp player*

[@carmelaimpas2667]

Man idc if big band is bad i just play for the meme taunt he has even do i cant use it

[@B0OGLES]

he's just so fucking big oml

[@felfuri2246]

Ur wrong, bc i said so, tuba man for life

[@silvereditorpro1362]

For me hes the best why is he even the worst hes the most op in Skullgirls mobile

[@yeahboyz9314]

Just port skullgirls to mobile

[@gre3n3r]

Big band is weak

[@Jorquia]

Yeah, sure. He is the worst.

[@ZeoW17]

Interested to hear your thoughts. Who do you think is the worst?

[@ZeoW17]

@@Jorquia yea the combos aren't the problem

[@ZeoW17]

@@Jorquia stalling isn't viable in offense when there's a 3 minute timer

[@Jorquia]

@@ZeoW17 his combos suck

[@Jorquia]

@@ZeoW17 yeah idk

[@midnightserenityy]

i hate big band