Sky Players CALL OUT Their Owns Fans For Hate Directed Towards Them...

Sky Players CALL OUT Their Owns Fans For Hate Directed Towards Them.... In this video we talk about the chicago sky and angel reese who has probably been the 2nd best rookie this season in the wnba
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Sky Players CALL OUT Their Owns Fans For Hate Directed Towards Them... In this video we talk about the chicago sky and angel reese who has probably been the 2nd best rookie this season in the wnba. Caitlin Clark was drafted number 1 by the indiana fever after being one of the greatest college basketball players of all time. WNBA players like A'Ja Wilson, Diana Taurasi, Breanna Stewart and Sue bird have all given their opinion of the number 1 pick.
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[@giftcardbill]

"Don't try to understand women, women understand women and they hate each other." - Al Bundy Redd Foxx: " Beauty is only skin deep, but ugly is all the way to the bone."

[@exiaaaalirez2344]

Just proves more and more the league wasn’t ready for the big spot light.

[@Bangs_Theory]

No one is ready for a tornado of harassment, bigotry, racism and bashing. Shut the hell up.

[@csr2120]

Reality was indeed coming. The players just didn't know that the new reality that was coming was their reality.

[@34stzoo]

The problem is it's hard for them to turn off the machine. Clark said she turned off all her social media. Personally, I don't have FaceBook, X, or IG. I don't need anyone's approval to validate my existence!

[@burnout3722]

I quit all social media right at the start of the pandemic. So glad I did. It's ugly. It' s disgusting. And that's not how people should treat one another. It's like high school all over again. And i'm in my 50's! I don't need that crap in my life. Waste of time in my opinion.

[@winxxclubbb]

Got rid of those 3 too! only use tiktok when my sister sends them to me. & YT

[@LentClover653]

Man these girls not ready for prime time 😂😂😂

[@Bangs_Theory]

Says a goof behind his computer screen.

[@eatburgerup]

Women*

[@purplepill_corey2094]

Took it right out my mouth lol

[@LentClover653]

@@purplepill_corey2094 I just listened to the Sky post game press conference and man if it wasn’t for CC I would stop watching right there and then. I don’t support hate but with fandom crazy fans come with it. The league gotta catch up to the new reality or it’ll be a turnoff to a lot of people. Once CC is out the playoffs I’m outta here

[@deontecallaway4026]

@@LentClover653That’s been the issue for years. But nobody has been paying attention so they were able to be this way.

[@edvonschleck3098]

Where is the Atlanta Dreams GM adressing all this harrassment and online bullying from Chicago and Angel Reese Stans? And by the way ehat happened to the Investigation s into the Las Vegas Aces mistreatment of Dearica Hamby and cheating the Salary cap by paying 100k even to the Bench Players under the table, paying for luxury housing and Cars etc.?

[@jamesmoseley5428]

Thank you. Anyone can drum up sympathy by saying that they received death threats. The Sky player with cancer that fouled CC had the receipts to show that people hoped her tumor would come back. By doing that she ruined all the lies of these other Sky players because they didn’t show us any tweets.

[@jadenuniverse9541]

The Chicago Bye!!! 😭😭💀

[@Armstrong_1990]

This one reason why I hated Angel attaching Clark’s name to certain fans (obviously not all) because some of her fans attack players constantly on social media as well. It’s unfortunate that it happens, it’s like certain people don’t know how to criticize someone without belittling them and attacking them personally. and people say “It’s what comes with the territory.” That might be true, but it shouldn’t. That doesn’t make it right.

[@cwolfc]

no one said it made it right... but its a reality if you want your league to grow you are going to get more hate... more loves=more haters, so buckle up.

[@Dolemite19]

😂🤣its wild they won't tell the whole truth that the criticism is coming from Angel Reese fans 🤫🤷🏾‍♂️

[@Gonzo-76]

Her fans are SO desperate to compete with CC and her fanbase that they are acting out against the team for not making the playoffs.

[@talldreamyopposum]

Reesexuals is the term

[@primetimegamingandsports6075]

@@Gonzo-76reese fans love Caitlin… we actually want Cailtin and Angel on the same team. Why do you think we were so excited about that all star game

[@gxtmfa]

@@Gonzo-76I’m a fan of both. I just think Reese needs more time to develop.

[@akariharris9024]

@@Gonzo-76there’s nothing to compete against tho. they don’t even play the same position so there was nothing to compete against. stop picking out the minority of sky fans & making it seem like they speak for the whole sky fan base. majority of us like both clark & reese.

[@sevenfights]

SOME CC fans are toxic but Angel Reese is a toxic person.

[@giftcardbill]

how do you know they're CC fans and not trolls/psychos?

[@sevenfights]

@@giftcardbill because human nature is what it is.

[@ianditwin7443]

@@giftcardbill Unfortunately some are. But this isn't new and the players would need to have a thick skin.

[@davidtripp8055]

Of coarse fans do this all over. WNBA never experienced this cause they had very few fans.

[@stephenobisanya]

Exactly! They got their first paparazzi moment and they called them stalkers. Like fam, what?!! They’re so clueless. 😂😂

[@StevenFreitas-jh4bt]

It's sad to hear this from these women. However, where were they when Clark was being brutalized in social media AND main stream media early in the year? None of the players in the WNBA came to Clark's defense. NONE of them! If anything, many of them piled on. So, it's hard not to see this as crocodile tears and "playing the victim." Of all the people in the world, the WNBA players should have welcomed Clark and had her back, but they chose not to. You reap what you sow....

[@franbyrne4168]

This hate is coming from mainly Reese fans.She is the reason these players want out

[@Outright_Mike]

Reese’s fans would be the reason. I doubt Reese herself would be okay with her supporters harassing her own teammates

[@gualbertogarcia305]

NOW THEY ARE STARTING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT CAITLIN CLARK GOES THROUGH.

[@exiaaaalirez2344]

Stay off social media during the season, it’s just a toxic place, have a PR team to deal with it all

[@Ravenfanatic5]

Facts

[@davidtripp8055]

Tell Geno it’s not just a few Iowa fans bad on social media. It’s Connecticut fans (Gabby Marshall) and fans everywhere. Gabby drew a charging foul and got death threats from UConn fans.

[@giftcardbill]

How do you know they were UCONN fans and not trolls/psychos?

[@BigBisk]

And they’re gonna be worse when Paige is in the league.

[@davidtripp8055]

@@giftcardbill exactly, how did he know it was INDIANA FANS disrespecting the WNBA and outside of the sky’s bus stop? Maybe it was trolls.

[@gregjames9875]

If they want the attention that goes with earning more money, they need to get toughen up.

[@albertjimenez7896]

Whether you choose to believe in kama or not, it's a universal law that the energy you project, whether good or bad, will come back to either reward you or haunt you.

[@sirtwentythree]

Your logic of Karma is faulty and will lead you to unfulfilled expectations.

[@albertjimenez7896]

@@sirtwentythree For law and ethics, "universal law" means which behaviors are acceptable. The most valid standards and values for regulating people's conduct are universal, translateable, and logically justified.

[@masonpalazzolo2387]

What comes around, comes around. You can’t avoid it. This is why it’s very important to stay humble.

[@albertjimenez7896]

@@masonpalazzolo2387At some life phases, humility is essential, and truer words have never been spoken.

[@user-ox1nc9nk2i]

I assume these two players will be leaving Chicago as soon as they can.

[@SeanP7195]

You either want equality, or you don’t.

[@istherenooneleft]

It’s not the WNBA job to prepare people for hate comments. As a human being you have to understand that some people don’t like you…and they will voice it. You need to be a strong enough individual to know what’s legitimate and what’s important. You’re an adult. Take some ownership of your mental state

[@boxingandbulldogs6341]

I wonder why Renee Montgomery didn't call out these Sky/Angel fans! When she said about us Clark fans, "They're not like us", we knew exactly what she meant. And she is one of the team owners! This league is a joke.

[@daviddci7650]

I feel really bad for you two ladies. You certainly didn't ask or cause the hate you've received. I wish you both the best. Watching Isabelle Harrison almost made me want to cry.

[@RushBig0786]

This is sad but this is also why men don't tune into the WNBA before CC. Can you imagine Lebron, Russell Westbrook, James Harden, KD, etc did this in an interview? These ladies want the money and attention but they don't want to deal with the things that come with it all.

[@MaxPowerSJC]

I go to these games all the time. NO ONE is giving them hate at those games. It’s mostly parents and their kids. They need to stop lying on the fans.

[@jadeshand2990]

It’s not during the games they are talking about, but from the online community, and from, although they didn’t come out and say it, the Angel Reese’s fans are taunting these two because they think Dana and Izzy are stealing some of Angel’s thunder.

[@MaxPowerSJC]

@@jadeshand2990 Dana wants to be traded that’s why she gets hate and Izzy is old and still coming off the bench and doesn’t get any better. Do you see Draymond crying over the donkey memes? Or Lebron getting harassed by Jordan fans etc?? WNBA isn’t ready for prime time if you can’t ignore online trolls. Y’all just simping because they’re girls but yall would never keep this energy with the men.

[@flockaveli15]

@@jadeshand2990nobody thinks that it’s just you making it up. But good try😂😂

[@billsmith5166]

I don't understand. How could the players in the WNBA NOT have expected this? Sky fans are gonna get PO'd when they lose. 99.9% of all fans have posted something negative about their favorite team. I'd bet these very women have posted negative comments about decent people.

[@scottsherman5262]

Sir! How dare you spew this objective reality/truth within the KZbins comments section, of all places?!?!?!?? Disgusting & sad, I hope you're ashamed of yourself. Some people...

[@supjetrun]

I'm sorry that these ladies are dealing with this. I was always taught that people who say hateful things get a kick out of seeing you get upset, so don't give them that satisfaction.

[@paddyofurniture4681]

Sheesh this league is like a never-ending menstruation period.

[@Ravenfanatic5]

🤣🤣🤣say it again for the ones in the back

[@brellnob]

That’s the type of comment they’re talking about.

[@yvonnereyes9954]

That is too funny

[@ecmm73]

🤣🤣🤣

[@soccergoal4090]

😂😂😂

[@ypark2877]

Caitlin staying out of the fray was a good example for the rest of the fever team. Ridiculous to be shamed for rebounding.

[@derekhalbig4438]

Just for fun: How they forget that they only have a job because the fans buy tickets, merchandise, watch them on tv and so on.

[@Gonzo-76]

When he was a player. Charles Barkley once said that one of the greatest things he can see would be for one of his teammates to fight him for a rebound.

[@rocckyroad]

all you need is thick skin. imagine what all the greats like Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Lebron James, Kevin Durant, Alex Rodriguez had to deal with.

[@ads2686]

tom brady won 7 superbowls. What kind of idiot would criticise him? The thing is when players have bad games they get criticised by fans, it seems wnba players can't handle people actually watching the league

[@mattimeikalainen1635]

Well said​@@ads2686

[@soccergoal4090]

Thats not why Izzi was being criticized. She wasn't playing well. You need to stop.

[@Mirror_of_the_Soul00]

Where is the call for Reese to address her fans? I want an apology from the league for being smeared as a CC fan

[@SHsparx]

I find it interesting they explicitly said "our own fans." They weren't talking about CC fans. Izzy was talking about Reese fans.

[@exiaaaalirez2344]

It’s like that in sports but it’s also that these fans act just like the players do and vis versa, when players talk trash towards the fans the fans will give it right back especially on social media.

[@biggc752000]

My brother, how are you not on TV. If I was an executive at one of these sports channels I would hire you to head up all WNBA information and coverage. I started watching because of CC of course, but you have made it very easy to follow the league. Keep up the amazing work.

[@SGriTa913]

These poor girls weren't ready.

[@tamarabuirley1379]

These women should have learned that in college. Turn off the social media. That’s what smart players do. Caitlin isn’t on social media.

[@Pharaohx115]

Chicago sky fan base will make these players better next season

[@frederickrobinson9502]

17% of the technical fouls committed in the WNBA this season was against CC. 80% of that number was caused by Chicago skies! I didn’t remember see or hearing those two players calling out this type or targeting and hatred?

[@frederickrobinson9502]

If CC broke down and started crying that in a press conference….omg the push back would be mind blowing! If you are in the public eye you got to develop a tougher skin

[@Blaster216]

It comes with the territory. They want the WNBA to grow and that’s what comes with it. People are mean spirited and they will say anything. NBA,nfl,even college players have been dealing with it

[@burnzhoops]

It just means that these women are not used to having these kinds of attention. What I meant by that is that the attendance of WNBA games is not that huge. NBA players deal with this daily. It will toughen them up just like what Dana Evans says. Trolls will be trolling, and haters will hate. It's a sad reality now

[@BigBisk]

The reporter asking them about it was DYING for them to say it was CC fans😂 shoutout to them for standing their ground.

[@jmikew417]

Imagine that, a women's basketball league that is full of drama and drama queens. Do you want to end the drama? Then turn off your social media during the basketball season -- problem solved.

[@welessonakadubbs1544]

Stealing rebounds is not a thing!! Its not a thing!!😅😂😂😂😂

[@jasonsimpkins9069]

Woman love drama. They think it sells. Look at the "real housewives" of whatever city. All drama. And get always praise themselves. For what? For show?

[@mistameanor1]

Antonio Brown with his MILLIONS of followers has been trashing Caitlin lol season.

[@thecitizen3870]

They had 2 top 10 picks in the draft and they all failed

[@houstonjames716]

As a Sky fan...I noticed Angel has some fans amongst the collective who are gate-keepers, really gross. Izzy and Dana caught a lot of flack from Sky fans...many of them create their own narratives trying to turn the team into a reality show. Too much at times.

[@mercurialblonde]

Teams really need to give social media training to their players.

[@phillipmorris9847]

this is silly, social media is a option and so is your reaction to it.

[@MPARNELL]

What a bunch of professional victims!

[@angelalee4118]

The W did the same to CC when she came in. Don’t dish it out if you can’t take it.

[@tdsportscards]

Well we know Engelbert is always a step behind in PR and decisions

[@rondonavisbardclay6071]

Somebody stepping up will only make it worse. Internet is undefeated.

[@inyxfixer361]

Quita Loves Sports youtube channel did an excellent live stream over this.

[@TheDisruptiveOne]

What happened to the sky locker room sounds a lot like the Maryland locker room. But no one wants to make that connection. 🤐

[@kennedybj1]

I feel for the players they aren't equipped to not use social media..I can imagine me telling my daughter not to use social media...

[@shemyaza8934]

Nah, these Sky players love the drama and crave it. And Lebron abuses people for silly political reasons on twitter. You get what you give.

[@jamesfender7381]

The media and Podcaster are sparking all this shit up .

[@steve_22xy]

Part of it is that some of the Sky players and the coach are unsportsmanlike, they don't support and sometimes fight/argue with each other, and promote a bad behavior mentality. Some of the fans or followers see this and do it as well. Indiana Fever are a team that promote family friendly fans and a fun time and teamwork amongst each other.

[@markanderson5298]

Mick, just started watching basketball (C.C effect) starting to understand the game, but one thing I don't get is player trading, draft picks can you do a vid explaining how transfers work? Or if anyone can put it in the comments in simple terms. Cheers

[@HeyCross-ss3wv]

Every player is under contract and can be traded. The salaries would need to match in a trade unless a team has lots of salary cap space. Players are drafted based on team records and there’s a lottery.

[@EkulePrecious]

Im just like you, please, someone explain. I don't understand either 😂😂 .

[@markanderson5298]

@HeyCross-ss3wv so can you trade players at anytime or is there windows to trade in? Who can be drafted anyone or just rookies?

[@markanderson5298]

@@EkulePrecious yeah it's confusing as hell haha

[@Dr.gobshite]

while I do feel bad for her I think some of them lack mental stamina. Taurasi seems to be a G cause its water off a ducks back

[@dianteturner4245]

So it’s “fans of Angel Reese” Not trolls right? But when it’s Clark Fans it’s trolls lol

[@wolfcola3401]

I'm calling it now, even though they even said their own fans are doing it. It is going to get twisted, and CC fans will be blamed for it. Guaranteed

[@therealkungfukenny]

They probably already are

[@Brett33]

As a Fever fan , I was in support of Izzy . She played well and I didn't see Izzy out there attacking Clark and cheering for it like Reese, Carter and Deshields .

[@danncorbit3623]

Attacking young ladies with vile accusations is one of the most ungentlemanly things I can imagine. I puzzle over these people's upbringing. My mother used to say things like, "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything." when I was little and got out of line. But today people feel free to attack young women with vile and stupid comments. It is a terrible reflection on world-wide society today. I think these trolls must be very unhappy people to act in such an awful manner.

[@louievasquez2381]

CC’s fans dont care about the Chicago sky’s drama. We r too busy bashing SIDES&KLS😂. Im shocked these 2 didnt blame CC for this shit. Get off the fucking internet, u cant stop it, stop the the fucking crying.

[@Moncters]

Clark changed everything for everybody in the WNBA. She’s MVP

[@Pharaohx115]

Ladies u should improve your basketball game 🏀 so your better next season

[@user-sf5ge2th2b]

Who is more stupid....the trolls who say stupid untrue things? Or the people who listen and let it affect them like this?? This is insane that people would allow others to mentally control them like this.

[@jerich00]

Swoopes meant it to the sky locker room

[@mikeleichtweis9413]

You don't see Caitlin crying about everything...

[@Nfnf889]

Years of them crying about not getting enough attention and now finally there are eyes on the product and they don’t like it lol 😂

[@everythingloveurlife4904]

Bruh these women are exhausting. They want all the benefits of having a top tier league like the NBA and NONE of the negatives. Do you want the money and attention or not? If so put ya big girl panties on and get off social media during the season or let someone run it for u.

[@ypark2877]

Stepping up will do nothing for the trolls. Just gives them more air.

[@leelewis5544]

The W is still getting use to all the attention that they have been craving since their inception but they are now realizing at the end of this season that it comes with just as many cons as pros. They are going to get criticized like any other sport. It sucks, but I guarantee the league is looking at it from a perspective that it would be worse if they weren’t talking about them at all. If you don’t have frustrated fans then you probably got other issues to address as well . Things will get better for the Sky. They were on the verge of officially exceeding expectations if they made the playoffs because many analysts weren’t expecting them to have the mild success they had earlier in the season due to still being in the process of rebuilding. They just need to assess themselves like any other team and make a diligent effort to address their challenges.

[@mistameanor1]

These players were not in any way prepared for this. They had no idea what was coming for them. This is a failure of the league.

[@jemaineoliver1833]

Sorry, but part of being paid to play a sport that fans watch is dealing with the fans criticism. Emphasis on dealing with the fans, criticism… You’re correct in them curating their Twitter space to filter out negative energy. But you get paid to play a game that people watch, people get to say what they wanton the backend. They’re the ones who pay for the product.

[@moto_story77]

I know it’s hard not to look, but for their own mental health, players should just stay off social media. All social media is these days is passive aggressive insults and full on hateful attacks. No good can come from seeing that.

[@masonpalazzolo2387]

And people say CC fans are most toxic ones, huh?

[@brandonleemoss]

The same CC fans that was giving Aaliyah Boston death threats yes very toxic😮

[@masonpalazzolo2387]

@@brandonleemoss no they didn’t lmao.

[@dianteturner4245]

@@masonpalazzolo2387they definitely did & yes they’re way more toxic, Most of them are. You for one post something negative on EVERY video about the sky or Reese 😎

[@SFtheflash]

CC Fans are the most Toxic fanbases, Angels is just prolly second and to be fair they are the two biggest fanbases all big fan bases are toxic

[@masonpalazzolo2387]

@@dianteturner4245 you making that up. You just can’t accept that AR fans is the most toxic in WNBA because AR can’t keep her mouth shut and won’t accept the reality.

[@ops-x4k]

Is this what Sports Illustrated meant when they called Angel Reese on of the "most influential"?

[@LouSeph]

Sadly, the “fans” are not most of the people doing this online harassment. Just the fact that they think they can police the online trolls shows. They don’t understand what they’re dealing with. She’s trying to tell anonymous trolls to be mindful not to hurt people when they’re entire mission is the cause the kind of hurt she is displaying. She’s basically saying you accomplished your mission do more. Now, is it right? Of course not. But we can’t go around individually every single anonymous online troll especially when Twitter is now set up to amplify hate speech. The WNBA needs social media literacy very badly and just media training.

[@tonyd579]

I remember when SKY team hated on Fever fans with lies. Did we cry?? Nope.

[@diIbert]

Chicago Cry lost because online racism 😢

[@Mirror_of_the_Soul00]

Actually, stealing rebounds IS a thing - JUST ASK RUSSELL WESTBROOK.

[@DavidDixon-wb1by]

That team is all about 1 person and 1 person only. They try to hide it but they make it way to obvious.

[@bobbcraig275]

Hey young man (I get to say that because I am 74). You seem to have access to a huge amount of WNBA data, and I wonder if you, now that the regular season is over, can find out what the percentage of flagrant/chucked out of the game fouls was against CC, versus the remainder of the rookie class had to deal with? I mean if you listened to the GOATS of the league said this behavior was just part of rookie initiation!!!

[@theanimerapper6351]

Nobody got chucked out the game for a foul on CC. She had like 17% of flagrant fouls committed on her but I don't remember any that resulted in an ejection

[@bobbcraig275]

@@theanimerapper6351 I thought one of the really nasty and blatant ones did, but it was probably just me thinking it did. What I really wonder though, was if the rest of this rookie class was being “initiated “ as well, or if the remainder was veteran vs veteran?

[@scottsherman5262]

@@bobbcraig275 The answer is a resounding NO. CC has received a staggering (6) of the W's total of (35) flagrant fouls this season. It's impossible to find, for some reason, a list of who flagrant fouls are committed against, except for CC because she gets so damn many of them. The closest stat is PFD, but that's just personal fouls drawn & has more to do with how a player plays offense.

[@ajdc88]

STATS ARE WORTHLESS. THE LOVE OF STATS IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL FANDOM

[@Doomguy9OOO]

They need to stop putting blame on caitlin clark fans, ive never seen clark fans criticize these people, i dont even know who the one on the right is ill be honest, only people i know of on their team is Angel Reese, Dana Evans, and unfortunately Chennedy Carter. No reese fans should be criticizing teammates for getting rebounds, that is the most ridiculous thing i ever heard. And you shouldn’t be criticizing someone for not passing to Reese in fact you SHOULD criticize someone FOR passing to Reese because she throws bricks all day.

[@Nightfly_69]

It seems that once you know these people won't delete twitter you'd stop beating that dead horse a million times over.

[@scottsherman5262]

This is fascinating...nearly all of us watching these videos, games, & then commenting are men. We're mostly used to following male athletes, so it's interesting to follow female athletes & see how differently they react to stuff like "hate" from "fans". If we saw two men cry in a presser about what Marlon randos typed at them online, we'd ridicule them as being soft & ill-prepared. I find myself conflicted when it's two women...they, on average, process stuff so much differently than men do. I'd love to hear a woman's thoughts on this.

[@gxtmfa]

Fame can be a lot to deal with.

[@sandrasgotgame]

Your coach brings the hate ….

[@fauxblonde]

WNBA truly did not have a brain. Lin Dunn and Christie Sides were talking to people at Iowa about what to expect and making some preparations like you said. I think in general the Indiana Fever seem to be the most well media trained.

[@shauncampbell4371]

I honestly think its a generational thing. I as at uni when facebook was first launched, then twitter, youtube, instragram and i try to stay away as much as possible. Gen Z and millenium live for and on social media. We live in a weak era where people are not tough enough to handle criticism and everything is taken personally.

[@Vadimony]

Rebounds and double doubles are more important than anything else, man. We can't accept anybody stealing Nylassa Boston's REBOUNDS.

[@cjsnedegar834]

Idk about that bcus that ghetto ass catwalk fashion show they do when they show up for the games seems kind of up there on there priority list. It's definitely above winning.

[@Pharaohx115]

Chicago sky fans just want you guys better that all

[@fv3video]

All the girls playing in the WNBA are good and can be alot better every year by burying themselves in perfecting their already badass skills.

[@scottsherman5262]

Very true...I find myself feeling the same way, knowing that the main reason these women aren't much more skilled is because of effort, but then I look at their incentives...their money, & I get it. It's also so culturally driven, which is why CC is such a huge deal...her popular & effective play style will certainly influence the next batch(es) of girls/women coming up, & we'll likely see a huge shift in the W's approach to offense, much like Steph's did for the NBA. The W is just where the NBA was decades ago...stuck in a low-skill bigs-centric game, a very boring & overly physical game that needs to evolve to survive & thrive.