SLAMS: Good or Bad for Jiu-Jitsu?

[@philippinepalestra]

SLAPS: Good or Bad for Jiu-Jitsu?

[@wacki_cjk]

Excellent for jiu jitsu

[@gudea5207]

Galvao just lost an impromptu Combat JJ match

[@sistematico17]

Galvao says "no goodsh"

[@champ8605]

Super effective against ADCC champions.

[@ridikrossbitch]

First thing that came to my mind. 😂😂

[@wingoreviewsboxingandmma3667]

They are awesome for Jiujitsu, add the wrestling and bring back those judo roots

[@James-jd8iw]

Greta discussion! I can totally understand both sides of the argument. I do appreciate that there should be at least some arenas in the sport Jui jitsu world where slams are legal to prevent the sport from becoming watered down. With that said I would never support slams being legal in an IBJJF tournament or for any one that isn't at least a purple belt

[@snatchX626]

good discussion at the end. although bjj is often practiced as a sport, it is still a combat sport, and you should be wary of watering down the combat aspect.

[@vlada]

It's also an art form that can be practiced at full speed BECAUSE limitations were put in. Before Kano gatherered all styles to form judo, jiujitsu training used to injure and kill participants. Kano kept the moves that were safe to practice over and over. When making it 'more real' is at odds with safety, it's not a choice if you want to have safe randoris. Ego over common sense is always dangerous.

[@kevykev7772]

I vote for the slam to improve our self defense in a scenario where we could eventually be in that critical position but it has to be a drop, not a slam where full force is engaged so that to prevent the fighters from getting injured

[@aeneas116116]

Ditto.

[@MrHeathcliff83]

AGREE!!! if he had done the triangle and the slam defence right, he would have won fast. if we dont slam how we learn the defence..theankle grab???

[@Matto_Harvo]

And allow eye gauging, glassing, knives etc. yes, keep it realistic for self defence. Everyone becoming too pussified

[@kevykev7772]

@@Matto_Harvo hahaha

[@andyhope5065]

@@Matto_Harvo xD

[@adamturowski3765]

Only the lifting part of the slam should be allowed. The person who got lifted and didn't let go off guard/submission should be penalized. That solution would get best of both sides: it would be safe, but also would discourage staying in the position with potential to be slammed.

[@Steve-ul8qb]

Even mma rule sets that allow soccer kicks dont allow strikes to the back of the head. That shit can f you up.

[@SK-uj1dq]

yes but there are slams in mma right? So why compare strikes to the back of the head to slams

[@Steve-ul8qb]

@@SK-uj1dq good point. Still f you up though

[@henryhoover3953]

@@SK-uj1dq because when you slam someone the back of thier head bounces off the concrete/canvas

[@shapesnatchftw]

I think the argument of "it's taking a tool away" is absurd. If claiming anything that would be effective regardless of how technical it is would be crazy. By that logic why not allow something like eye-gouging because with that logic it should be fine. Just have wrist control if you don't want to get your eyes destroyed. In summary, the idea that just because it's effective and can be avoided doesn't mean that slamming or other dangerous techniques should be allowed just because it's a way to get out of a position. @FloGrappling

[@justsayin3600]

I'd have to agree with you. The slam we saw was pretty brutal and should be used in real self defense but not in controlled competition. Just think if this is allowed then guys, and girls, could perfect the ultimate slam with the intention to concus, not to break a hold. These slams don't give you an opportunity to tap.

[@aeneas116116]

As some one who is about to enroll into jui jitsi for self defense- I think slams should be allowed because than a strong defense will be developed and trickle down into local schools.

[@vlada]

Enjoy your slam sparring.

[@mathiasm12]

If you're looking to start jiu jitsu for self defense ONLY, you're looking at the wrong martial art. Go train mma instead..

[@wgjung1]

I don't know. It's mostly an amateur sport, slamming somebody on the floor increase the risk of injuries, grave injuries like damage to your spine. Not insurance company will touch any activity like that unless there's a lot of money involved, they do not want risks; and if you see a kid in a tournament getting quadriplegic for a slam might no be good for parents watching that tournament and not a good marketing strategy for your sport. You already have (American) football for that.

[@tbppuglia]

"slamming somebody on the floor increase the risk of injuries, grave injuries like damage to your spine. " That's a good reason to let go when someone picks you up, but it's not a good reason to ban a move.

[@wgjung1]

@Ted Muskadeli Be a real man 'dude', I didn't say 'don't do it'. I'm talking about liabilities and other issues, you see, being a real man means you have an understanding of reality.

[@absoluted100]

The problem with slams are that they are not grappling, you are striking with the ground; You can knockout someone with a suplex, but the main goal is o a throw is to make a transition from standing to ground, slams have the sole pourpose to creat the most impact possible with the ground to generate a knockout. Ok for a strinking sport, not for grappling.

[@aeneas116116]

While I favor slams- well worded

[@00000000mb]

100%. I've never heard an argument for why slams should be allowed that doesn't equally apply to striking. And on the other hand, every reason for why we don't allow striking in a grappling contest applies equally well to slams.

[@andrewferris1903]

Slams should be banned, but if a guard player allows himself to be lifted then he should be penalized by 2 points, so the threat is legitimate and the defense is necessary regardless. The rules need to stop protecting guard players, or guard will become a completely fanciful way to play the game .

[@stefanocioni2587]

Slams change the game completely. People will literally begin training slams, this is not Brazilian Jiu Jitsu

[@ivorc8957]

Bones heal. Brain's don't.

[@Odins_Strength_Coach]

Bad look for the sport? The sport where the goal is to try breaking someone’s arm or choking them unconscious should they choose not to tap?

[@mathiasm12]

The goal isnt to break someones arm, its to score points or make your opponent tap out, your opponent choose if they wanna get slept/have their arm broken or tap out.

[@Odins_Strength_Coach]

@@mathiasm12 score points* that’s why Jiu jitus is watered down and people are saying it’s heading in the same direction of karate. Jiu jitsu at its core originally was to break limbs in a self defense situation

[@mathiasm12]

@@Odins_Strength_Coach Yeah that's a good point, the point system in BJJ is flawed and could be exploited, however I dont think thats be any means reason to allow slamming. You have to realise that the vast majority of BJJ practitioners are regular people with ordinary jobs who has no interest in being dumped on their head. You are talking about the sport being watered down. Where do you think the line should be drawn? Should strikes be allowed as well?`It would certainly make the sport less watered down.

[@Odins_Strength_Coach]

@@mathiasm12 I mean I love combat Jiu Jitsu I think it’s great for the sport and I think that from a self defense point that very well can and probably will happen if you do something foolish like pulling guard obviously different scenarios change how you would act but yes I certainly think we should be adopting more of the combat Jiu Jitsu mind set and I think slams should be allowed the line could be drawn the same as it is in wrestling no slamming on the head/neck or controlled slams

[@Odins_Strength_Coach]

@@mathiasm12 also thanks for being able to have a legit conversation about this instead of resorting to insults and such like a lot of people on you tube do

[@amirkazemi2517]

diarrhea good or bad in jiu jitsi

[@James-jd8iw]

You may not like it but you can't deny it's effectiveness

[@andyhope5065]

It's great for working north-south

[@bolafeshitan3466]

We who train properly know when to let go

[@joaquinmaria1581]

Man I’m a cocky white belt wrestler who doesn’t like to admit defeat but even I know if I’m getting lifted up like that I’m going for the most protection for myself so I can be safe and then escape this man stayed in his guard and let the back of his head go yeet

[@MrHeathcliff83]

or to grab the ankle early enough to break his base. i love bjj for the fact that there is always more than one solution/defence/counte... God bless the jiu jitsu

[@bolafeshitan3466]

@@MrHeathcliff83 l was already smashing people before I ever done jui-jitsu so when I started training I would say to my instructor. Lloyd Gordan. west London I

[@maxiboii5518]

SLAMS!! Hell yea

[@mathiasm12]

Fuck no, go train wrestling or mma.

[@erikmason3468]

That looked like a headbutt KO

[@Pwanx0w]

Not in low ranks and only the slam when in closed guard. This will prevent people from just picking someone up and throwing him on his head, and when you're in closed guard and get picked up you can just release the guard, so you kinda choose to get slammed if it ends up happening.

[@Jim-sx9xz]

The whole point behind the development of Judo, and by extension BJJ, is to only allow moves that can be practiced safely. Adding slams to BJJ completely ignores that, and introduces technique that can cause long term brain injury.

[@prithvib8662]

What's the difference between a slam and a strike? Both of these shouldn't be allowed in Jiu-Jitsu for the same reason: They give no "window of opportunity" to the person the move is being applied to, to tap or otherwise quit.

[@XDbananaboy]

I was gonna leave a faseeshus (cant be fucked looking it up) comment but this was excellent, well done boys

[@paulyj]

Slams should be allowed. Dont water down the sport.

[@mathiasm12]

Slamming was never a part of the sport? If you don't want the sport watered down, why not allow strikes / kicks / and headbutts at the same time? And if not, why not?

[@NotGordonRamsey]

@@mathiasm12 Slams are a part of grappling. Strikes are not

[@mathiasm12]

@@NotGordonRamsey Yeah, and slams are not a part of jiu jitsu. And for very valid reasons.

[@Grpace7]

Punches, groin pulling, and biting should be allowed. Don't water down the sport.

[@paulyj]

@@Grpace7 it is a grappling sport. Slams are a part of grappling. Ask any judoka that gets slammed on their head with a throw... don't worry, im sure your strip mall bjj class will make you feel protected.

[@stefanocioni2587]

Every grappling sport has things “missing” from it - for example wrestling (guillotine); judo (double leg) - this is just one of those things to be excluded from BJJ

[@MozartificeR]

Unite the clans

[@markzapeda3849]

super necessary

[@endlessgeometry7926]

He who smelt it dealt it

[@Twookie222]

Slams should be allowed from purple belt onwards

[@christoforostrakas8055]

If you don't want to get slammed just don't keep your closed guard when the opponent is standing up. Simple.

[@snatchX626]

guard slam, or "daki age (high lift)" in judo.

[@bandicoot3162]

Of course it is good, it means it has to evolve, when more is allowed the sport is more exciting and the competitors have to improve their techniques to avoid slams

[@mathiasm12]

But the problem is that it's not jiu jitsu.. Do you also think the sport should "evolve" into allowing strikes / kicks / elbows etc?

[@bandicoot3162]

@@mathiasm12 Well bjj has throws and take downs but it isnt judo or wrestling my perception of bjj is grappling as a whole at this point and slams fall into the catagory of grappling in my view so id want all aspects of the grappling arts to be allowed to improve the sport as a whole

[@martinarnsdale8662]

I’ll allow it. More realistic once you actually fight someone anyway.

[@mathiasm12]

Do you consider yourself actually fighting someone when ur rolling at your gym / tournaments? And if slams make the "fight" more realistic, why not allow elbows / knees / strikes / kicks / eye gouging and headbutts at the same time? That would make it REALLY "realistic"..

[@CH-tv1cy]

Good. No slams creates bad habits and unrealistic techniques.

[@death4127]

If you can’t stop a slam then how good is your Jiujitsu REALLY ? Protecting the athletes really just creates inconsistencies in mentality. Slams are A REALITY obviously. Black belt gets knocked out via slam it’s ridiculous.

[@thomasjiu-jitsu2627]

Don't pull guard. Don't get slammed from standing. Simple.

[@honeyhole411]

Once you legalize slams, people start preventing getting picked up. Good for the art, good for sport, good for the athletes. Win-win-win

[@mathiasm12]

Slamming should not be legal under IBBJF rules, period imo. It's not jiu jitsu, if you wanna slam someone, go train wrestling or mma. I just can't stand the bullshit of people arguing the sport being watered down, but with the more shit u allow, it's gonna turn into MMA at some point. Why not allow striking and kicking at the same time? Why not allow eye gouging and headbutts? @ All the people down here arguing that "slams are realistic".

[@kauaikane1894]

Go ahead and legalize that dumb rule. You will see more injuries than anything else

[@MozartificeR]

If you have slams or throws with people that are untrained to do it. Then it will look like an eye saw.

[@bolafeshitan3466]

Slams are very good

[@mathiasm12]

Fuck no, its dangerous and first and foremost it's not jiu jitsu.

[@bolafeshitan3466]

@@mathiasm12 lol if u say so keep the learning that way I am sure it will save your life

[@mathiasm12]

@@bolafeshitan3466 Well do you think making slams legal under IBBJF rules will save your life? U know u can always go train wrestling or mma or some other martial art that allow slamming if ur so keen on getting dumped on your head.

[@extrafoxjj]

you said it. there is no reason to ever get slammed. release your closed guard and stand. but, bad habits due to the traditional ruleset means that people get slammed. they should learn better as a white belt by allowing slams

[@graemekennedy2326]

@JSL JSL makes a great point. In the gi, it's easy to pick someone up from MANY guards and slam them (not just closed guards). You can also lift, slam, and paralyze someone from a stack pass... which leads me to think that eventually (if slams become commonplace) that someone will get paralyzed while getting slammed from closed guard if they try to invert into the legs or something weird as they are slammed. Although... from other guards (like DLR for example), the defender would have at least one leg free as he's picked up so he could defend the slam by standing.

[@ezrapaul6808]

I think that a good player shouldnt have to let go of their guard to avoid possible brain damage

[@MrHeathcliff83]

slams are SUPER neccessary :-D cause... one point... you learn thetechnique, for now the triangle perfect. there is a way to defend the slam, hold the leg/ankle... he didnt ...he got slammed. in the moment the other guy tried to stand up i thought" grab the leg or you get busted" WACK :-D

[@DarrylMac64]

The person on bottom has choice to let go and not get slammed. Keep the slam!

[@christolupo7909]

Bad...