Slavoj Žižek - China, "asian capitalism" and our lack of ideology

[@planetary109]

So three philosophers walk into a bar...

[@noviereschrock199]

"Capitalists got it that their best collective political representatives is the Communist Party." Nailed it.

[@liberschndt486]

So you think that Chinese capitalists used the Communist Party to get capitalism? Rather than the communist purposefully making China into a state capitalist nation for scientific phase purposes? So that China can be ready for socialism.

[@einarabelc5]

They will sell us the rope with which we'll hang them - Vladimir Ilych Lenin.

[@NormBa]

​@@liberschndt486 "So you think that Chinese capitalists used the Communist Party to get capitalism?" No. The CCP is attempting to conduct capitalism to its central crisis. There are still about 400 million 'pre-proletarian' peasants in China who have yet to even embark upon the path to 'capitalist exploitation'. Marxism can only rescue capitalism from its central crisis at the latter's late-stage. Until then, it can only bide its time.

[@liberschndt486]

@@NormBa Your reply has nothing to do what I was talking about. China is a socialist country that PURPOSEFULLY made itself into an advanced capitalist country to toughen up the people, believing that socialism is a SCIENTIFIC process. They made China more capitalist so that Chinese workers can experience an advanced capitalist phase, so they are toughened up and ready for socialism.

[@vallewabbel9690]

@@liberschndt486 that doesn't make sense

[@nonners21]

11:59 "Really, the problem is the lack of vision, and I think that this lack of vision is precisely, for me, the proof of how strong ideology rules. People say we no longer live in ideological times - of course we do! More than ever! Ideology which really works, which never percieves itself as ideology but simply as the natural state of things."

[@farrider3339]

Don't forget his final words : " I talk too much !" No, I claim ! Precisely what had to be said, was said ! Sorry, don't chave time now to develop dezz further. . .

[@mateosanfitz9625]

2:00 he predicted the new global authoritarian right/ultraliberal wave.

[@scotttatertot69]

Amazing. Zizek really seems to be more in his own and comfortable in conversation.

[@lixingmiao8371]

3:29 Is that Wang Hui (汪晖) ?

[@Deantrey]

"this eternal marriage between capitalism and democracy is approaching divorce." Wow good stuff. Good for thought. Zikek, I think you just gave me the idea for my next research paper for international relations :)

[@hamzariazuddin424]

where can we get the rest of this interview - very interesting?

[@kyoko703]

great vid. nothing new here for those who are familiar with zizek and his thoughts on the current world. but a decent intro for those that maybe interested in learning more about the questions that he wishes the world would challenge. check out his interview with al jazeera.

[@benk7773]

Early American Puritans lived in relatively communal societies and did not believe in capitalism. In fact they considered it selfish. Where they encouraged commerce, they did so with a mind to the public interest. They had some measure of democracy, but unfortunately they were influenced by certain Calvinist views that led them to restrict the franchise to "God's elect." Johnuio, be assured, the capitalist spirit was alive and well in the US in the 19th century. In fact Wall Street was born in the early 19th century. And it was alive in American culture even well before that. Remember that not all English Colonists were looking to create a mythical city on the hill. A lot of them were just after Tobacco.

[@liberschndt486]

This is some what of proto socialism. They went against greed, and rebelled against the Roman Catholic Church (Enver Hoxha considered Roman Catholic Albanians to be fascists). And yes, they did advocate some form of democracy (because of the struggle against the Roman Catholic Church). However, why did the Puritans advocate this way of life? Did they still believe in family? Did they believe in marriage? Did they believe in non-realism (such as unproven facts that make no sense)? Isn't family a way to control one's life, access to food, and destiny? Don't faithful beliefs have the potential power to control other people's lives? Isn't this a form of oppression? In a scientific sense, the Puritans made a step closer to socialism, by getting away from the even less socialist Roman Catholic Church.

[@myemailaccount3046]

@@liberschndt486 you took the wrong idea of what puritans are. They did not take a step toward socialism. Another totally different group brought socialism into early America, but I will let you figure it out.

[@liberschndt486]

@@myemailaccount3046 Who did? The Jews?

[@jerrymeo1137]

“I talk too much” Best way to end a speech lol

[@qstunrr]

Jerry Meo Honestly. we're probably all speaking from experience too lol

[@ourlast4ever267]

What exactly is “more efficient” about Chinese State Capitalism? The fact that people equate non violence and purity with Chinese traditions. Authoritative expansion is still that. Colonialism spread and was effective mostly by its intellectual methods but it was and has still been ineffective for the majority of people and their ancestors. There’s way too much wealth in the world both naturally and artificially for people in China or Africa or the Americas not to have a decent life.

[@mohinderkumar7298]

None of you have sadly studied or mentioned what Marx called Asiatic Mode of Production, AMoP.

[@avalonLT]

I agree, great point.

[@Anabsurdsuggestion]

Who’s vacuuming in the background? Lol

[@imavileone7360]

Fuck this was great. Is there a link to full discussion?

[@cherkkiable]

kde v ČR nedostanete přídavky když máte auto?

[@PedroArvy]

@spischek I disagree. He is quite specific when he talks about China and he uses the term "a more efficient form of capitalism than the west" in several videos. I think if you are going to take Zizek seriously you have to look at precisely what he says, not what it implies or could mean. This is one thing I don't like about him, he makes these big statements delivered with infectious enthusiasm but short on specifics and almost always unsourced.

[@leroi2735]

China has reinvolved into the world economy since 1978. The export-oriented industries in southeast costal China are more like world assemble hub, instead of world workshop. And overwhelming majority of the surplus in the global supply chain is reaped by the brand owners and retailers in global north. And the Chinese workers've struggled for better working conditions and welfare even by committing suicide, like what Foxconn workers did.

[@lucasvinzon8943]

The title is wrong, there is no lack of ideology.

[@felipemontero9839]

lack of ideology as in a common ground of accepted values we don't even dicuss, see the end of the video.

[@coledulworth1966]

hey who is his "leftist philosopher" friend he mentions around 3:28? Van--- something?

[@elwanen2]

Wang Hui汪晖

[@gregorywilkinson5731]

I wish I had his fashion sense :(

[@halodroidz]

This man is brilliant. A lot of people oppose him with JBP or vice versa but I think both men can agree on almost everything. I would love to see both of them talk, not debate. Not much to debate, but at this level of thinking you bounce off of each other until something amazing happens. As a JBP listener, this man has my respect.

[@sledgehammer5033]

Halodroid Z Peterson is a charlatan who can’t make a cohesive point without stepping in far-right dogshit. Zizek has no respect for Peterson, like most respectable philosophers.

[@halodroidz]

yungdresscode Far right? Catch up, man. Really.

[@mateosanfitz9625]

@@sledgehammer5033 welp

[@quintonburkham50]

This is a children's book that they give to their young

[@adflicto1]

There is nothing more entertaining than a philosopher in pijamas talking about asian capitalism

[@theghostofhumankindness4312]

Le Roi Yeah but there are huge advances in the standard of living. 600 million people have been brought out of poverty in a single generation. Look at Shang Hai, its dynamism and prosperity. This makes me thing maybe Fukuyama was right.

[@molly0000000s]

And how many have sunk further, been displaced or killed? Fukayama is so irrelevant today his own mother doesn't know he who is.

[@theghostofhumankindness4312]

dizzyflores Whatever can be said about the PRC, it's much better than it was under Mao Tse-tung where you could get killed my a lynch mob if you were even suspected of being ever so slightly "bourgeois." Russia may be worse off but China is thriving under capitalism

[@shanjafri1785]

I love his closing argument " I talk to much"

[@franzhaas5597]

HE IS A MADMAN.

[@franzhaas5597]

@Space Monkey I ment that as a compliment. ( he is fearless ).

[@literarninoviny]

@vkvladman Thank you, please excuse our bad English.

[@FarazKhanYousafzai]

Asia is over 50% of the world population. There is no such thing as an umbrella "asian" anything. I'm from Pakistan and we have 75 languages here and we're just one country, so it doesn't make sense.

[@JohnSmith-ij6ms]

white people do that

[@TheMrsuperhesoyam1]

Actually "european" is a rough generalization to.

[@joeroganpodfantasy42]

4:00 That is the best explanation. We have this capitalism which works, how do we best manage it thru the political sphere,

[@sonicoTJ]

The Philosopher sorcerer...

[@quintonburkham50]

Very interesting the part about North Korean Kim Jong-il not having to poop or pee

[@PedroArvy]

Its also the criticism of him on WikiPedia: Both agree that Žižek flouts standards of reasoned argument. Harpham calls Žižek's style "a stream of nonconsecutive units arranged in arbitrary sequences that solicit a sporadic and discontinuous attention."

[@PedroArvy]

Zizek says that Chinese capitalism is more efficient than Western capitalism. What does he mean by this? If you look at performance by GDP China is way less than most of the European countries of the former Soviet Union.

[@mohinderkumar7298]

Zizek does so much buk buk buk buk gossip but never used the word AMoP to counter Asiatic Value notion spoken by other speaker. DUFFER!

[@alizabalawi6049]

at the end he says"i talk too much "😁👏

[@DC-wg1cr]

See ANTICONQUISTA and the Qiao Collective

[@JAMAICADOCK]

We often forget the roots of democracy run deep in the West. Athens, Rome, Scandinavia, Venice, the German elector states, Holland, Britain, the US etc. Even the Vatican was democratic to an extent. Although such democracies were extremely limited - in relative terms they were progressive. This I think is the secret of the West's success - not capitalism. China like other Asian Tigers - Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand - will begin to stagnate after an initial rapid rate of growth from a low base.

[@sedeslav]

Oh mein Gott! i become Žižekist!

[@tranminhtam785]

ideology should start with standardization-the first chinese empire was small but the emperor killed any conquered people refusing to use the imposed language-the country of mr zizek,slovenia has only 2 M. people but has a distinctive language-how the hell can you built an integrated bloc w/ such balkanization ? europe is such a babel tower !!!-you can write slovenia in 50 different ways ,and it is practically impossible to understand all the traffic signs over there,for a start-even with the e.u.,asian businessmen go almost crazy trying to understand the different laws and practices

[@thejudgeholden]

But hey, great video

[@kamranjafarpourghalehteimo8946]

I think the problem with capitalism is that capitalism can not produce intellectual. I think capitalism's ended by the traditional meaning of capitalism. Today is like a dead body and bloodless but to continue its life capitalism started to suck others blood like a crazy vampire. If in past we had had some happy people in capitalist countries today even in their countries they faced to serious problem. In some cases these capitalist countries to escape from their dark situations some times they borrow from Marxism ideas and theories. As prime example I can say United States. Today we have many scientist who they accepted all these facts, These scientists are not typical scientists who are under stupid programs I talk about those who really know about philosophy of science and they are deep in science not as is in university. So, in future we have more leftist politicians and professors in universities the gap between 2 different part of our world will change the future.

[@avoo93r89]

Kamran Jafarpour

[@avoo93r89]

Kamran Jafarpour

[@liberschndt486]

In a slavery based economy, only education can help prove ignorant people that humans should not be owned by value or beliefs.

[@einarabelc5]

Learn how to write english, then talk.

[@FG-fc1yz]

ab7:45

[@DC-wg1cr]

Doesn't Zizek know we must develop our society to have socialism?

[@ethanstump]

There's more than one type of development. You can have non capitalistic development.

[@gamer-ff6mh]

Last few lines were so true about ideology.. And about talking too much as well.. Lol

[@AndreasHLux]

Der hat schon lange ein " lack of ideology" , die anderen Hilfkomiker auch alle.

[@ElectricQualia]

look at rate of growth of china

[@croissant4131]

State capitalism

[@johndarland3633]

This dude for as smart as he is, blew on his tea before drinking it. I'm sorry, It's just funny I don't mean any harm, to think just, him of all people would know just generally that does nothing lol.

[@Languslangus]

🇨🇳

[@thefakenewsnetwork8072]

Im.God

[@biglemoncoke]

A daoist view of politics...

[@pneu9059]

Terence Chung wrong

[@actanonverba91]

Capitalism is industrial revolutionary and is going to be A.I handled.

[@Wobbothe3rd]

Anybody who has been paying attention to any economic writing from the past 20 years (Wall Street Journal, Wired, The Economist, New York Times etc.) would understand the ironic nature of that comment. It doesn't have to be "Sourced" when the idea is so well known. I honestly think that a lot of the backlash from that comment came from idiots who don;t know what they're talking about. ITS A FACT that China/Signapore/Japan have both markets and authoritarian qualities relative to other places.

[@周俊杰-c8l]

共产主义必将胜利

[@mattd8725]

Really, the Chinese administration of capitalism was not so hot. Sell for less than it costs you to make, sales figures are so great you can never recover, and the money goes to property price inflation, but the buildings are made from soggy cardboard.

[@babyonabilify]

guy to the right of zizek looks like a descendant of trotsky...wouldn't be surprised if he was.

[@ОлегОленев-я3о]

**Icepick slowly comes in from out of frame**

[@Keckegenkai]

*sniff*

[@balancetrembling]

cocaine.

[@vagizz]

Aah we have pagans in power in Lithuania too :)

[@thejudgeholden]

Please find a less annoying interviewer next time.