Slavoj Žižek EXPLAINS why he didn't "cut Jordan Peterson's balls off"

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[@avtaras]

When I listen to Slavoj Zizek, my mouth gets filled with unwanted saliva.

[@Robocop-qe7le]

The poor reporter is soaked with saliva and nasal mucus.

[@ninjaturtlesfan6049]

same, man

[@martinpiekarski1512]

Contagion effect at play here ;p Zizek has a speech impediment, but as for the content of his speech, he's more to the point than Peterson, I'd say.

[@architheia9443]

I think I know why. LOL

[@jimlabos]

Last guy on earth you want to shake hands with!

[@palamabron2481]

He just didn't think Jordan's arguments passed the sniff test.

[@devinreese7704]

Jordan Peterson is below mention, definitely, anyhow. By even engaging him you shoul dbe discredited. There things he says which are utterly proposterous. [In addition to his arrogant self centered egotist prick general personality and attitude.]

[@gerardjayetileke4373]

lol

[@Faus4us_Official]

Indeed.

[@videoaccount5676]

Liked all his arguments and so on and so on

[@soldierside365]

SNIFF

[@apollontheintp3257]

He is extremely overrated by his leftist fan boys

[@anurag.twentysix]

@@soldierside365 SHNIFF

[@ThatGuy9x]

@@anurag.twentysixI would prefer not to

[@leefriday3428]

Always awesome hearing you speak, sir, but I refuse to shake your hand.

[@ashred9665]

superspreader of intellectual boogers, especially the left nostril

[@christinah.8504]

LOL!

[@grabsmench]

I would lick each of his fingers

[@Alchemist10241]

you're disgusting

[@glennkarg1331]

😅😅😅

[@afterhourscinema782]

Zizek speaks what I like to call, "Drunken Serbian through a walkie talkie"

[@v.sandrone4268]

If Peterson is a word salad then Zizek is a word salad bar, with a broken cough screen, that instantly transforms into a katana that makes surgical strikes with his words.

[@clkvlk]

underrated comment!

[@herrrmike]

But Peterson isn’t a word salad. You may agree or disagree with his takes, but if you don’t understand exactly what he is saying, then that’s on you.

[@Lelantaria]

@@herrrmike lol yes it is. Has nothing to do with not understanding him. He over-explains the most simple thoughts to the point of unintelligibility. A lot of the things he says simply lack substance.

[@mbegaliful]

@@clkvlk an hidden gem

[@gt123indefatiguability]

What's crazy is I became somewhat a fan of Zizek after watching the debate precisely because of how likeable he came across, so his plan worked

[@glp.1337]

Interesting, it had the opposite effect on me. Maybe it will change again over time, who knows...

[@plushycat]

@@glp.1337so?

[@glp.1337]

@@plushycat hasn't happened yet. But I keep an open mind.

[@kratos361]

PREZAISELY (sniff)

[@averageinternetuser526]

EXACTLY. I didnt think I'd come away with that, but holy shit I was blown away by this dude. And I, too, clicked the debate because I have gained a lot from JBP's writings and I am sympathetic to some of his theories regarding archetypes having roots in ancient parables. (JBP needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Zižek needs no salt.)

[@davestewart735]

This video’s transcript is an adventure.

[@vacc1001]

It's a very entertaining roller coaster

[@newking7218]

I can say from the reaction rap god o espectro my secret message

[@antoinepetrov]

"political action stick"

[@song8777]

Thanks!!! I wouldn't have read it, if not for your comment!!! 😃

[@jlntpy1706]

The main problem I have with Jordan Peterson is that he is a clinical psychologist, not a climate researcher, not an economist, not anything else. Yet he blurps out semi correct facts in a very eloquent way to a huge base of followers who believe him without questioning it. I used to be a fan of his until I looked him up in detail because I always got an ichy feel about certain narratives of his. love zizek though , humble, incredibly selfreflected and intelligent person.

[@Siroitin]

I also like how Zizek interacts with his critiques

[@primeryai]

Halo effect

[@ChrisYourDad]

I'm an economist and Jordon Peterson is spot on in this regard. You don't have to hold a paper of any degree if you can read books and are able to conceptualize complex issues.

[@misterdeluxia5948]

@@ChrisYourDadalso, its mostly all opinions he got from talking to experts anyways. Hes also a scientist and knows how to read data. So when some experts come with data he can actually end up learning alot

[@jlntpy1706]

@@ChrisYourDad Is he? there are hundreds of actual researchers disputing what he sais. And there have been several occasions where JP has been proven wrong on several issues. And I m not saying everything he sais is wrong Im saying he spreads semi correct facts to an uneducated crowd which isnt questioning anything. and thats dangerous. And one more thing, really sorry but on yt comments dont go around saying what you are and what you are not. It doesnt put you in a good light. Me for instance I got a 20inch dick and also am the champion in heavyweight boxing and chess....

[@TheMusicalKnokcers]

My brother has such a difficult enonciation that google thinks this is portuguese lmao

[@PadraigTomas]

Amazingly, you are correct.

[@TheMusicalKnokcers]

@@PadraigTomas I mean portuguese do sound a bit like that so google is not wrong for it

[@mrpurple11]

Wait... so wasn't it bc the CC was set up in Portuguese??

[@TheMusicalKnokcers]

@@mrpurple11 no it's google automatic captions wich means the AI thought it was portuguese lmaooooo

[@mrpurple11]

@@TheMusicalKnokcers 😂

[@AT-AT-AT-AT]

how dare people have civil disagreements...

[@SmugAmerican]

Zizek says he mostly agrees with Peterson. Everyone: "See I told you he's a moron!" ????

[@stravvman]

Why would anybody think Peterson and Zizek are the polar opposites? Zizek is known to be somewhat conservative and hold opinions often assiociated with right-wing, such as discipline, sex-negativity, Eurocentrism, criticism of the Woke ideology and so on. The better opposite for Peterson would be some anti-capitalist Woke intellectual.

[@TheShaitan2000]

How funny it is that such a rich debate had a mutual understanding of almost opposite poles, while every other ignorant seeing it was looking parts where his knight 'owned' his opponent. Debating has existed since forever and still we don't understand the point of it.

[@benjydp5262]

I agree. this was one of the best debates of two people wanting to meet each-other. The response that Zizek CRUSHED Peterson or other way around shows that people are ideologically scewered to hear only what they want to hear. I fell pray to that before i encounterd the Rogan's and Peterson's of the world before. It makes the world a whole lot more complicated now for me. It's way easier to pick a side and stick with it instead of meeting in the middle.

[@GCKelloch]

@@benjydp5262 Except Peterson didn't offer any critical analysis of Communism, and often doesn't have definitive views so as to skirt around issues, and deny culpability. He has been endlessly straw-manning the left, and is now demonizing the trans community even though he used to support the concept of transgenderism. He once joked on JRE that he found a way to capitalize on these controversies, and he has very much done so. If he ever was worth taking seriously at all, he is certainly not any longer. Even if his ideas were worth considering or even made sense, middle road compromises can end up removing whatever is necessary for an idea to actually work. Simply looking for a compromise between opposing ideas is not the answer.

[@trollingone1]

It’s not bout “owning” anyone but I think it’s a good thing that zizek exposed JP lack of knowledge on things he often talks about. Oc prolly that’s ineffective cause most of JP listeners act like a blind fan base. Wait! I’m not a Jp haters, instead I appreciate that he did good for a lot of people. Aka he is good when he talks about his stuff… maybe he give simple hints or solutions but in a way that hit lot of men in a positive way. But when he talks about other stuff like (in this case) Marxism… he act like he knows stuff, but he don’t. His knowledge is superficial but agreeable for most of usa audience, cause average American don’t know shit 😅 But when he face a guy who knows Marx and he lose his confidence and goes for “blabla Mao, blabla Stalin” when he is out of words 😅 Hint: anyone should talk about his things and listen when knows better. An Italian movie said “did I ever talk about electronics? did I ever talk about dams and bridges? Of highway? I don’t talk about cardiology, I don’t talk about neurology, I DON’T TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT I DON’T KNOW” 😂 Search for the scene (Nanni Moretti). It’s brilliant

[@noambar3159]

​@@benjydp5262 I'm so glad that there are finally people who realise tribalism isn't helping anyone. Probably all people who either hate Jordan or hate every single person whose opinion is not the exact same as Jordan's don't realise that they probably wouldn't stand a chance at such a debate without hating their opponent. I myself, as a JBP fan by the way, am struggling with this yet I'm trying my best to know when and where I should be more compassionate and when I should just respect the other side's opinion.

[@Eddnatal]

​@@benjydp5262 well one of the thing we got from the bible and we forgot is that we should not worship false idols. Idol worship leads to this black and white views. Both of them debated so they can get to the truth, both of them understand that and got wiser but the audience just wants blood.

[@MrCmon113]

Zizek showed Peterson's audience that leftists can be just as unclear in what they want as Peterson.

[@thetruthhurts4147]

Peterson is exact in his remedy, you are flawed in your appraisal.

[@kentknightofcaelin4537]

​@@thetruthhurts4147 he really is not

[@clarencekaant8005]

​@@thetruthhurts4147 one of his rules is to pet cats

[@glp.1337]

@@thetruthhurts4147 Yes, he is. But most (extreme) leftists aren't able to listen to what he has to say. They are only listening for things they don't agree with, all the rest comes across as white noise. I've tested this with friends.

[@Alchemist10241]

None of them weren't unclear I think it's just you're mind that makes it unclear

[@froopzoop5739]

I was amazed by zizek during the convo and I believe Peterson has wanted someone like zizek to come along. The left liberals in Toronto, the activists in Petersons youth, and the cold war i think caused peterson to develop some trauma, which is quite sad. This shows that those on the left need to do more to show the best parts of their ideas and negotiate effectively which zizek did. It was quite touching to see Peterson be profoundly effected by zizek, I get a sense that peterson has took on that constructive criticism that zizek offered.

[@dang5874]

Watching the debate and Contrapoints and that "how the alt-right radicalizes normies" made me realize leftists are sabotaging themselves lol

[@froopzoop5739]

@@dang5874 I am honestly surprised that no one is talking about is hegels master and slave dialectic. The most important question of our time is how do we get out of it. It is either contradictions within capitalism show itself and we implement reform or revolution or do we use dialectical idealism and synthesise it with dialectical materialism. Peterson is concerned with the over saturation of the dialectical materialist approach to the master slave dialectic which makes any concenssus with belief systems/ideologies impossible.

[@froopzoop5739]

@loudnsounds I'm not exactly sure how? I'm saying that their is a breakdown in how people can be at peace with one another and come to concenssus. A strong materialist approach can be challenging to come to a shared agreement because of material conditions whereas a common idea a "cognitive mapping" is needed if we are to have peace and to confront the problems we are dealing with. As a leftist i am committed to reform and redemption. I dont hold my opponent in contempt I allways try to make opponents allies which is very far from being fashistic.

[@jose91807]

@@dang5874 agree 100% the problem with the "new left" I call it, back in 2012 to 2016 I was a left or so I thought before wokeness came into play. which is sad because I hate conservatives ideas but if I don't agree with wokeness most people would call me a conservative. sadly the left has gone a dark path in the last 4-5 years.

[@werrkowalski2985]

@@froopzoop5739 Peterson is in truth just concerned with modern libs, though his solution of upholding the system that is the reason for why modern libs exist appears rather unsatisfactory. Libs are not in truth opposed to the system, they uphold it, sometimes unknowingly (because at large they are a tool to gain power), their manifested opposition to the system rather aims at introducing more and more radical reforms, the goal of which is ultimately for them to get more power, and also for people who are using them to gain more power (if politicians using the mob of liberals to gain power gain power, then the liberals will also gain social power, because their party is in power).

[@brunovillagra3333]

Zizek great philosopher!

[@jerryholbrook13]

He's garbage

[@brunovillagra3333]

@@jerryholbrook13 says who?

[@Mistertunk]

He is a great original thinker

[@williamdoffer3744]

@@Mistertunk One could also argue that Jordan Peterson is an original thinker. It really comes down to which one sounds better to each person.

[@Khora]

@@williamdoffer3744 one could also argue that using formal language in yt comments doesn't make you more intelligent

[@x10018ro]

That is the absolute correct approach imo, its very optimistic though, gotta keep that in mind.

[@DDCrp]

I get where he's coming from here- hope that can be the case moving forward! Would be beneficial if reasonableness would be more universally rooted. Things are just a bit... wild at the moment.

[@EarlofSedgewick]

It was an excellent move. A good analogy is when a better sports team doesn't run up the score against an inferior opponent who are self-conscious of their performance. It's not for the benefit of the other team, it's self-interest to keep the crowd unified and this increases your base of support far more than a shellacking could. It's precisely what is needed to take some wind out of the sails of this proto-fascist ship. Much better than trying to apply brakes - that's basically fuel for their belief. You can see it in the comment thread for the top comment. The point is not to crush them or scold them, the point is to convince them of the utility of thinking with greater care. That doesn't happen if they perceive an adversary. Just look at American politics. When you think about it, it's even

[@justjoking5841]

It's kind of different when you know that there are those who are an anecdote trying to represent a society of denominators and crypto totalitarians.

[@plectro3332]

It's nice to see the mutual respect. I recall this one time Jordan Peterson mention he has respect for Slavoj Zizek as even though they disagree on things, he was a very good debate opponent and is clearly an intelligent man

[@84evrim]

Post magsorc parse

[@NickDaskalopoulos]

What mutual respect? Zizek has him for a fool. Which he is.

[@vanillabatcave5677]

@@NickDaskalopoulos Does not mean one has to be unkind or unmannered.

[@NickDaskalopoulos]

@@vanillabatcave5677 Tell it to Jordan.

[@roraz114]

Zizek and Peterson aren't at the same level in any aspect, I'm surprised Zizek accepted the debate. Zizek coming to stage with a piece of paper and Peterson with a laptop that he needs to check every 10 seconds. But I'm happy they had the debate because it confirmed what we knew all along about someone like Peterson.

[@evaisthisiaeclaire6365]

Exactly. Peterson is an idiot. When someone asks him a question he cannot answer, he simply says, "that's personal". Dumb people who want to feel smart, comfort themselves with the fact that they can understand Peterson. I too am surprised about how Zizek wasn't in fury, when he was being made to argue against that moron's childish mania.

[@gabrieldiaz-espinoza2557]

I used to listen to Peterson but what turned me off was his associations with people that even my dumb brain immediately recognized as idiots and frauds: namely Shapiro, Milo Yanniapolous(whatever his name is), Dave Rubin, etc. But still even today, I simply cannot wrap my head around what goes on in the world. It’s pretty scary how easy it is to swindle and control people en masse and I question my ability to overcome. Hopefully watching more videos like these help

[@tdb517]

@@gabrieldiaz-espinoza2557 JP takes on climate change are pretty dangerous too. He's saying he doesn't deny it, but he denies we should take any measure to try to stop it. He's a nihilist.

[@louisstephen9172]

@@gabrieldiaz-espinoza2557 I have had literally the same experience. A few years ago I would watch a lot of him but its so easy aswell to start listening to and adopting the ideas of idiots like shapiro. These sensationalist right wingers are turning a whole generation far more radical than they would be otherwise. Tbh I think a lot of it is that when people were young half a century ago it was rebellious to be on the left, but in today's climate it is cool and edgy to be right wing when your young.

[@gonx9906]

@@louisstephen9172 which is funny because he himself said he is a leftist. how that can be possible?? i dont know.

[@joselefian8129]

Zizek talking about how he wanted to prove something, and Peterson talking about how it Zizek impressed him and made him think for months. Search that Peterson video.

[@sonnyliston8922]

Yup Peterson is a low quality thinker.

[@L.I.T.H.I.U.M]

Zizek couldn't even comprehend half of what Peterson said and kept asking questions the whole debate rather than making his point. And Peterson answered them all.

[@terrormilk384]

@@L.I.T.H.I.U.M Peterson is just like on the 0.000000000000000000000000000001 percentile of verbal iq. I mean even if he didnt have a point at all he could somehow make you believe in his points but he sure does have serious things to talk about and his intellect makes them almost incoherent for any normal human being

[@jj_verona]

@@L.I.T.H.I.U.M neither could you, but go off

[@L.I.T.H.I.U.M]

@@jj_verona Being confident about something without any evidence is the definition of foolish. How do you know I don't? Dial down your unearned confidence and be humble.

[@bigbaba1111]

He is a Hegelian super spreader.

[@thefausty5195]

He actually did cut off Peterson's ball, he was never the same after the debate.

[@thefausty5195]

@randominternetperson For the first time, In life he debated with a non-college student. And he got this ass handed to him in the most brutal way possible.

[@thefausty5195]

@@giuseppe2711 It's online. Search it.

[@FilmerJunior]

Looked it up, he needed treatment for the anti-depressant medication he was prescribed since dealing his wife’s terminal diagnosis. But now thinking about it, exchanging ideas in a debate was clearly the reason lmao.

[@thefausty5195]

@@FilmerJunior Jordan Peterson is very good debating with people who are not good at debating but when it comes actually debating a intellectual who knows what he is doing, then he fails.

[@thefausty5195]

@dezessete No, He lost his shit, when he realized that reading the first page of the Communist Manifesto does not make you a Marxist.

[@adamc436]

I’d written essays on Marx over a decade ago, and have very mixed views on him, Althusser, Engels, and of course, Hegel. I revisit Hegel every few years, and then become pessimistic at the state of the modern western leftist dialectic (I’m not one of you people). I’m so happy to have found Slavoj- he’s not just a brilliant Hegelian apologist, he’s also extremely well articulated at addressing paradox and practical theory. I really enjoyed the way that Jordan and Slavoj navigated their discourse.

[@bulletsizednuke1100]

if you check the captions, you'll see that it autogenerated portuguese instead of english

[@HoradrimBR]

Just pose. If he was really stalinist he would be against the whole legitimacy of Israel, as just a colonialist spearpoint of Imperialism in the Middle East. The Soviets - starting by Stalin - were very suspicious of jews because they form cliques outside the direct control of the Party. Zizek talks a lot about anticapitalism, but in practice, is just in favour of more regulation within the current EU system, a mere reformist...

[@ninosan6619]

You are going to need a really good blunt

[@virginiagould3167]

I really enjoy listening to Zizek and I'm not sure how much of it is the stuff he says and how much is that I find his eccentricities endearing.

[@cardboardbox191]

As Peterson ever said anything against lefties in genral (a genuine question I haven't watched everything and I can't remember some finer details of what I did watch)?

[@f4ust85]

Sure he did, although he has this vague, boomer obsession with "the neomarxist types" and "leftist postmodernists" without ever caring to define what he means. A big chunk of their debate revolved exactly around Žižek trying to force him to name a couple of marxist/leftist public intellectuals in the West and he failed to deliver any answer.

[@medea9715]

*Sniff*

[@awesomesagarsharma4547]

If english is his 1st language. Then he

[@Lemwell7]

Hell yeah

[@amoghbajracharya]

interesting take

[@leongrden8112]

Its not

[@jmab721]

That's deep.

[@Dave.Mustaine.Is.Genius]

​@@jmab721 please explain it and preach on me

[@georgemx4136]

How can someone who looks like the bear from masha i midved be so smart

[@Caligula138]

I'd like to see them meet again... Also JORDAN PETERSON -VS- JUDIT BUTLER. WHEN?!

[@Lindsay4182]

Does Zizek know about spiral dynamics? What are his opinions of that model?

[@Lindsay4182]

@Arran Vijayadurai 😂 so is he thinking at vMeme orange? Linear and dual? I’m stumped 🤔

[@LyubomirIko]

what is this? another new wave anti-ego pseudo something, something something wanna be something, new spiritualism?

[@Lindsay4182]

@@LyubomirIko go find out for yourself. It’s a complex model that maps out the evolution of world views based on life conditions and culture. It took my peanut brain about 2 years to understand it enough and I still have a lot to learn. I cant’t summarize such a complex model in a KZbin comment. I highly recommend you research it. Don Beck, Leo Gura, and Ken Wilber. I recommend starting with actualized.org KZbin channel. Or Spiral Dynamics Integral audio book on audible by Don Beck. Ken Wilbur added his own shit to it so he kinda ruined the reputation.

[@LyubomirIko]

​@@Lindsay4182 Yeah I get that it is new-wave preach about the humanity, the question is what you get from this new-wave propaganda? something personal? like feeling better or what? or everyday optimism that things are going better for humanity, stuff like this?

[@Lindsay4182]

@@LyubomirIko it’s not new wave

[@czgibson3086]

Peterson was not at all prepared for that debate. Zizek noticed quickly and gave him an easy ride.

[@f4ust85]

Exactly. He is too much of a wholesome slavboi to crush him and make fun of him, instead he quickly turned it into a freshman chitchat.

[@wirezts]

I wish I could understand this dude, as I feel I'd really love a lot of what he says. A big part of JBPs power is his delivery.

[@bigbug04]

Slavoj still does the best Sylvester the cat impression. I hope that one day he will say the famous line "Sufferin succotash"!

[@apollontheintp3257]

Do we really believe that he tydies up his room better than JP?

[@missScarlatine]

He actually does! If you look at interviews of him where he shows his home it’s very clean.

[@apollontheintp3257]

@@missScarlatine This surprises me

[@missScarlatine]

@@apollontheintp3257 kzbin.info/www/bejne/gHKZYX-Vg7aMo5I

[@dawnkeyy]

​@@apollontheintp3257I mean if you buy into Peterson's "leftists are lazy disordered unconscientious agents of chaos", I see why it would surprise you

[@macstrong1284]

That because you are too quick to judge

[@MuadDib27]

I’m a fan of Peterson and I enjoyed his debate with Zizek. Seeing Zizek stand his ground in a reasonable and cordial manner was admirable and he achieved his goal there. It’s an admirable goal to claim a genuine desire for competitive virtuosity which, in an optimistic world, makes unwitting partners of us all.

[@ayao]

I used to somewhat respect jp until I read about his meat diet... dude is crazy and every levelheaded he says is common knowledge

[@mateoo3517]

I used to admire jp too until i got so tired and sick of his pretentious attitude. Jiggling terminology for flexing only and a proclivity for nonsense. I was deceived for a while. Žižek is a true genuine thinker and philosopher, jp is not and that’s that lobster

[@user-ys5yv2nz6w]

@@mateoo3517 Same dude. I got 12 rules for life thinking it was amazing and I was kind of hypnotised by his academic sounding language in my naivety. Then I saw his argument on art without God and the cracks began to show. Man really isn't the new age intellectual he tries to portray himself as.

[@kevinpurnell9465]

It was a good debate but it wasn’t about Marxism. Peterson hasn’t read much of Marx and it showed.

[@authorbhattacharjee4957]

I like how this comment is about you admiring Peterson and how good mutual respect is and then I see the replies...

[@sandman5211]

That picture on the wall.....

[@davicpetrovski155]

I'm wiping spit of my face unconsciously watching this clip

[@Paul-om1zs]

Auto generated subtitles refuse to translate what he's saying correctly.

[@vasileseicaru8740]

Goes to show you: TRUTH is not what comes out of a popularity contest. And debates are basically glorified popularity contests.

[@alpha0xide9]

What a strange conclusion

[@vasileseicaru8740]

@@alpha0xide9 you'll have to remind me what the video was about, it's been 3 months since I commented

[@alpha0xide9]

@@vasileseicaru8740 nvm

[@Aestareth_]

didn't watch the video but that's what i think as well

[@raumerherr1057]

Are you against debates?

[@VikingTeddy]

I always enjoy the ones where he's had his nose candy. He's like Sherlock Holmes, he uses the coke to focus.

[@janjosephdauphiniii7457]

The CC"s! 🤣🤣🤣. Come on man!

[@roboticle117]

I still think slavoj is a troll

[@OntologicalCatastrophe]

Well of course yoy do, you are also probably far from a cultured person with any philosophical education

[@roboticle117]

@@OntologicalCatastrophe You're not cultured yourself

[@lugie69]

I dont think he's a troll but I definitely think he's an advocate for trolling

[@hegeliankid1226]

Haven’t read a book from him, dude thinks he understands someone’s ideas. Congrats man, let me know when you publish your book

[@ryzenwick120]

For the manerisms or for the shitpost?

[@ianian4162]

"You should have cut his balls," LMAO. It's just so bizarre and out of left field. (Though perfectly phrased from a psychoanalytical perspective).

[@f4ust85]

Perhaps search for Žižek - Cut the balls on KZbin and you are in for a surprise.

[@JB-qt3wo]

From a revolutionary perspective you’re always trying to cut the balls off your opponent, even when they may be correct. You give no quarter. That is exactly how the left has defeated the right in moving the pendulum in one direction over the last 100 years.

[@rimbaud1989]

I didn't know, Damon Albarn was following the current philosophical discourse so closely

[@julioverne579]

He said, no, sry I heared: No, shorty. 😂😂😂

[@abeaconintheoffice]

Lmao I reached that part as I was reading your comment. It does sound like "No, shorty|

[@mezmerism107]

Looking the comments below, I miss the old times when we can have a disagreement.

[@AntonioPerales-bb8pm]

Jordan Peterson spends an inordinate amount of his time impersonating a "Real Man." I have studied the various national fascists, they do the same thing.

[@ollikoskiniemi6221]

Jordan is not a (fake) macho or really macho much at all. He's a thoughtful, wise and compassionate man. Obviously not very physically tough, but he never claimed to be. Quite the opposite. He's more of a Gandalf than an Aragorn if you catch my pop culture drift.

[@lobotzindiegoantesnesslope6004]

Lol I thought he was going to explain it actually while on his bed 🤣

[@mray8519]

What the hell was that all about?

[@xx_thelordandsaviour69_xx81]

Next i would like to see žižek go up against shapiro on communism/capitalism

[@ThePsycoDolphin]

Are you fucking kidding me? It would be like watching Athony Joshua senslessly beat an infant to death. Zizek would slaughter that little snotnosed shit, and rightly so.

[@HecVD]

Not worth it, tbh. That'd be painful to watch

[@MD-qx3vx]

Shapiro just talks fast but doesnt rly bring much.. waste of time

[@xx_thelordandsaviour69_xx81]

@@ThePsycoDolphin lmao thats why i wanna see it ppl need to realise shapiros all fast talking and not saying anything

[@user-ce8xx8kz1i]

I would enjoy it but Shapiro knows he doesn’t stand a chance and will never do it, he’s a coward. He can barely “debate” the students he speaks in front of when one of them calls him out

[@eugkra33]

Yeah, but given they told him they wanted blood, doesn't that mean they can't do it better?

[@crunchyandmagnificent5646]

In every movement, in the representation of every idea, sadly, 80% of people are still there only for the nice words and loud slogans, without even actually getting the idea they are so fiercely defending. This is true for conservatives, this is true for the left, this is true for the nationalists and this is true for the libertarians. There are people, who listen to Jordan Peterson and the only thing they hear is what we now see represented in the "Embrace masculinity" videos. Which is unfortunate, because mr. Peterson is in fact a very smart person, who most often has a point, even though many people may fail to understand what he's trying to convey, because he never sugarcoats. There are also people, who read Lenin's essays and the only thing they remember is "Capitalism bad, proletariat for the W", while also failing to even comprehensibly explain what's so bad about capitalism in their opinion That's why it's so easy to paint the other side black. More often than not, they do it themselves by showing how the only thing that matters to them is that they "win" without even understanding what "win" means

[@waddamahadda]

yes i also think of Slavoj Žižek when I think of a "nice, civilized guy"

[@f4ust85]

Sexy almost (seen his wedding pictures?)

[@juvenalhahne7750]

@woodand..., quem é você, cara? Apreciei sua elegância!

[@newglof9558]

I was a Peterson fan but walked away thinking Zizek was ultimately way more interesting and profound

[@itsallgoodman4108]

Why do you waste your time on that limp conservative guru

[@timmyt1293]

Lol zizek literally makes no sense. Stop the 🧢

[@averageinternetuser526]

@@timmyt1293 Oh god that's fucking depressing. JBP is a professor/psychoanalyst turned self-help author/public speaker. Zizek's work spans decades in almost every field, from politics to film to civil rights*. Their credentials literally speak for themselves. Damn my guy please educate yourself. *around the world. Since "fighting for civil rights in the US" would be too easily dismissable as a subjective statement (unfortunately)

[@timmyt1293]

@@averageinternetuser526 jbp is nothing and neither is zizek. At least jbp references jung who was a real one. Zizek just fantasizes, it's gross. His whole world revolves around the fear of private property rights lol. Capitalism > socialism. Stay mad.

[@averageinternetuser526]

@@timmyt1293 "My whole world revolves around the fear of private property" would be the funniest tshirt and now I'm going to make a mockup and sell em for $30 a pop thank you.

[@stefanosiclari]

What saddens me is that people still don't realize that, after all, for how much they have different ideas, Peterson and Zizek are more similar than different, and both learned something from each other.

[@Enigma-bc5vk]

They are similar in that they both made a good chunk of change from the event, they are different in that Peterson was not sufficiently prepared for it. One excuse of his was that the event was put together in relatively short order, but if he cared enough about dignity he then wouldn't have participated in my opinion

[@arthurrosa9403]

@@Enigma-bc5vk And he was speaking of things he does not know as if he's an expert. I loved his early lectures, including on the bible, even though I don't agree with much of his ideology and am no christian. But Peterson was attacking ideas he didn't know based on a brief perception he had about it from people he disliked and weren't very competent.

[@f4ust85]

They are only similar in that they are not accepted by the western mainstream, although from different reasons. And learned from each other? Peterson seemed almost enchanted by the end of the talk, as if he hasnt met an educated person since his own college years. Žižek on the other hand periodically laughs Peterson off as a half-baked jungian charlatan.

[@user-by6ri3cu4y]

@@Enigma-bc5vk From the first minute, it was painfully obvious that Peterson doesn't know didley-squat about Marxism, pitted against someone that grew and studied through thick and thin of it.

[@sarbajitghosh5244]

How could he after all ?

[@tyegbert8561]

JBP is more than just his title. He has taken on Trudeau while his peers coward. He was willing to do whatever it took to stop C16 but sadly he couldn't himself. However, he woke America up to the attack on free speech and idk where we'd be if not for him. There's so much more he's done for society it's crazy. He has done more for young to mid aged men than most will ever know! His lectures and that book have helped allot of lost ppl find meaning, get started and fix probs in their life. He's saved lives and his simple way of explaining things have helped many understand important info they may have otherwise missed. Thank God for this man! A true warrior for the west!

[@phildiop8248]

I'm a fan of Dr perterson and Zizek seems like a very nice person. The fact that some leftists were mad at him for being civil is depressing...

[@imperatusmauser7096]

🤮

[@lennertcornette]

@@imperatusmauser7096 I'm a fan of both Peterson and Zizek too.

[@imperatusmauser7096]

@@lennertcornette 🤮

[@vapourmile]

By "cut his balls off" I don't think they meant to be uncivil I think they meant to drive the nail in that Zizek is the real-deal academic when it comes to the topic they were discussing and Peterson the painfully obvious pretender.

[@lennertcornette]

@@vapourmile Whaha, lefties calling Peterson a pretender are out of touch. 10 years ago you called him a nazi. He has done so much good. He's just an idiot concerning inter relationships women vs men and blames everything on men because he has no idea how much women have changed.

[@juancarlosmanzanosandoval1143]

So his whole goal was to try to prove that leftist were better at the things he agrees with Peterson than conservatives?

[@LeonWagg]

No, he said in another video that Peterson is his enemy, but the point is that you can always learn something from the enemy. He also understood that most of Peterson’s fans are tired of political correctness and liberal bs, so his point is that we radical left can do better when it comes to dealing with liberalism.

[@newleft2254]

@@LeonWagg Perfect explanation. It is quite frustrating when the right confuse liberals and the radical left. Peterson does it all the time - he thinks liberal SJW on their postmodern power trips are the 'radical left wing' when everything we stand for is basically against that. Zizek represented us well.

[@legalize.brokkoli]

@@newleft2254 If that is actually factual the left should imperatively rethink their marketing strategies, as the "liberal SJW on their postmodern power trips" ( a different word for post-fascism?) identify as leftists; and are seen as such. Whereas "you" do not exist in the public perception at all.

[@mspaint93]

@@legalize.brokkoli unfortunately the stupidest voices are always the loudest, on either side, or really in any sect of life

[@tdb517]

@@legalize.brokkoli Yeah they identify as leftists, not as marxist or radical left. What you're saying is exactly the same as saying that all right wingers are Neo nazis.

[@wille5263]

Well said though that does not change the fact that the debate was a very, very poor performance from both sides.

[@ahmedminhal8924]

And so on and so on

[@janis0085]

For me the best way to judge a person is by looking at his own life

[@apollontheintp3257]

Judge them by their fruits!

[@TheIgnoramus]

@@apollontheintp3257 well said. Fruits of labor define your will and independence. Situation is multiplicities, and to judge on that account is arrogant for anyone, otherwise omniscient.

[@f4ust85]

So most of the worlds biggest thinkers are probably horrible people because their lives are often disorganized, short or chaotic, while the perfect person is a petty-bourgeois second wife of a dentist?

[@vatonage1599]

Their discussion was funny because people thought it would be some cringe "intellectual showdown" when in reality it turned out to just be a good dialogue about postmodernism.

[@f4ust85]

Thats mainly because Peterson came totally unprepared and turned out to be out of his depth by his opening statements, the half-baked freshman intellectual he is.

[@alpha0xide9]

​​@@f4ust85True, but why so hostile? It's still no mean feat to publicly debate Zizek. After he realized he isn't under attack, Peterson was totally civil and constructive. He's not stupid.

[@f4ust85]

@@alpha0xide9He seemed rather overwhelmed and impressed by Žižek, as if he was the first real critical intellectual he met since his own university years. A feat to debate Žižek? He debates pro-gamers like Destiny nowadays.

[@alpha0xide9]

@@f4ust85 Of course he seemed impressed by Zizek, rightly so. If it makes you feel cool to berate them in YT comments section, go ahead, but can you please leave me out of it? Not interested.

[@f4ust85]

@@alpha0xide9This is a comment section and you reacted to MY comment - perhaps YOU leave us out of it and go clean your room instead?

[@raymondjensen4603]

Zizek is fine as long as he stays on the lunatic fringe.., but hell on earth if given power.

[@tobiaszb]

Why Peterson will not respond to Zizeks no longer secret message now? Have he seen this video?

[@YoureRightIThink]

He doesn't need to respond to it, why should he?

[@10knucklechuckle]

Personal responsibility is not a left or right issue and today we can see exactly how good left wingers are at personal responsibility or a complete lack thereof.

[@acc314]

JBP clearly didn’t have personal responsibility when he got hooked on drugs and put himself into a coma

[@10knucklechuckle]

@@acc314 Obviously you don't understand personal responsibility. He was taking the medication as prescribed but it wasn't having the usual affect and experiencing further problems dealing with his wife's condition so the dose kept being increased. Have you heard him blaming someone else for what happened because I haven't? From everything I have seen he takes responsibility.

[@SaetherOfficial]

@@10knucklechuckle no, but his fans are sure ready to make excuses for him

[@10knucklechuckle]

@@SaetherOfficial How and where am I making excuses?

[@SaetherOfficial]

@@10knucklechuckle your entire last comment is you excusing his drug abuse and vlaming others than Peterson himself

[@neozes]

Talk about people who are full of themselves. I like Zizek, but you have to be blind to not see arrogance in his explanation why "didn't cut JP balls". Like it would be nothing for him, if he just wanted it, he just didn't do it because of secret message. Yeah...

[@Phasma6969]

@@Pezespada181 it's never going to be reasonable to align yourself with someone whos ideas led to the deaths of millions

[@dawnkeyy]

So the debate was specifically in marxism. Which Žižek is an actual expert on. Academic. Like, he's over 70 years old, and has been contributing to marxist philosophy most of his life. It's his field. If he wanted to dominate and humiliate Peterson, he easily could have. It would have been unfair. Just as JP could humiliate Žižek if they debated clinical psychology. I'm trying to paint a picture of how big of a gap there is between the two of these when it comes to philosophy (as an academic discipline)

[@gustavo042]

This guy is love

[@michahcc]

Spotlight stalin... shadow... zizek

[@isurf5795]

That was a mouthful Literally

[@Linkknnkillnkju]

He often wins debates as the spit is a way to distract the other party, when it starts flying into people's face they lose the ability to parry.

[@samanthaqiu3416]

😂😂😂 SNIF

[@thomasfevre9515]

I find myself agreeing with a lot of what peterson is saying but when it comes to criticizing the left, he has a glaring blindside. Also we are in dire need of a critical analysis of the woke ideology from the left itself.

[@Phasma6969]

We don't need an analysis because it is self-evidently self-destructive. Cause and effect and how widespread that is at undermining beneficial sociocultural norms.

[@cater94]

I wish this guy would just sneeze already

[@christianityisunstoppable4155]

He wishes.

[@herrrmike]

Slavoj Zizek is one of my favourite standup comedians. He may not have the edge that Doug Stanhope does, but his physical comedy is peerless.

[@juanpablosanchezaveleyra6454]

Well, to be honest he dident even protrayed himself as a leftist in that debate... so he didnt even got what he said he achieved, he eneded up as someone who agrees with JP, that was the weirdest debate ive seen

[@efcdom1878]

No. He just exposed the myths Peterson spreads about what leftists are

[@juanpablosanchezaveleyra6454]

@@efcdom1878 Nope, they realized they were talking about absolutely different things, Zizek exposed nothing, no matter how much you like him, Really nobody who knows Peterson believes he es talking about actual communist Marxists when he refers to the neomsrxism, just the pseudo leftists who use Marx and the left as an excuse for anarchy and moral superiority about equality and rights, and zizek understood that, they were talking about absolute different things.

[@efcdom1878]

@@juanpablosanchezaveleyra6454 Those are not leftists and neomarxism does not exist. That is exactly what Zizek exposed and Peterson was reduced to "why do you espouse Marx when you can be a Zizekist?" He does not have a good understanding of Marx or Marxism.

[@miishat]

@@juanpablosanchezaveleyra6454 Peterson himself said he learnt a lot from that debate and even though he went there to attack Zizek by criticizing the communist manifesto, Zizek kind of changed his views about some of the stuff. Your comment implies you watched the debate, but please watch it again and then watch some of Peterson's lectures where he mentioned Zizek.

[@juanpablosanchezaveleyra6454]

@@miishat I have, and I did, Zizek did not changed anything about JP, just his view about Zizeks posture, the only thing JP got out of the debate is the thing about Jesus doubt of God, they did not debated Nearly anything about any left world view, if Marxism want in the title nobody would notice that this was supposed to be left vs right. I don't recommend you to watch again anything, (or read as Zizek told JP) I recommend you to check your bias and try to point to specifics to notice that nobody achieved anything at all, they were more alike than they both expected.

[@seanmurphy7011]

Because he couldn't.

[@xandercorp6175]

"We left wingers can do this even better than conservatives." I'll be on the lookout for the new left wing movement that strongly denounces performative self-victimization and espouses self-sufficiency and responsibility. Any day now, it's only been 4 years...

[@nuhadyusuf]

I stand with JP; there should be a way of thinking called Zizekism not just sweep the man under the Marxism’s rug

Why? Zizek is a marxist!

[@suchou6231]

Seriously? His debate with Jordan Peterson was based on his idealism. People don’t understand that both of them are different with respect to thinking. Just because he uses words without consequences doesn’t make his view point absolute. Absolute mediocrity. One is Realist while other is idealist so just enjoy this viewpoint

[@walterramirezt]

🤡

[@serialthrilliayahoo]

Lol the irony of this comment

[@darrenco8289]

What the fuck are you talking about

[@kieronbadenhorst5911]

What do you mean he uses words without consequence, also, what do you mean one is a realist and the other an idealist, also, what viewpoint? 😳

[@bdstudios6088]

齐与彼不在一个境界

[@Fascistbeast]

Donald Duck vs Kermit the Frog 😂 Sorry had to mention it

[@francisfrain6385]

Very hard to disagree with someone who is spitting facts.

[@alexjt313]

Urm no, no they can’t.

[@KitchenSinkSoup]

A brilliant argument, care to expand it?

[@viktorthevictor6240]

Cope and seethe

[@alancantu2557]

Zizek is just a high-IQ thinker whose mind operates on another level. He destroyed Peterson in that debate even if it was not as explicit as some people would have liked it to be.

[@markmiller6111]

There was no debate lol. They agreed on everything. JP thought Zizek agreed with communist manifesto, when he found out he didn’t, there was nothing to argue.

[@TribuneAquila]

I've seen comments that went, I like both of them in their own way. This tells me this person didn't arrive at Peterson through Zizek, rather the opposite, which means Zizek succeeded in his goal for the debate

[@edu.santos]

I miss the day when leftists were like Zizek or Chomsky instead of the leftists we have at home today

[@Carolinablue78JS]

And yet he says..."better then conservatives."

[@edgarromerolegorreta8340]

Peterson is still crying. Think about that.

[@kermitthehermit9588]

Oof. Still true a year later

[@mariuswiiked]

Worst subtitles ever when slavoj speaks

[@sammitkhandeparkara]

Fun title

[@carlosenriquecastellanoizq7724]

Slavoj is the most brilliant 15 years old girl with a period that I have ever existed, he complains about everything and is ironic, makes nice jokes, however he doesn’t present any solution, and when people even his followers claim for something, he just says once and once again: I’m a pessimist 😆

[@bdstudios6088]

Doesn’t matter, the complaints are valid, there will be other people to think of solutions, he is valuable enough by pointing out what our real problems are

[@bdstudios6088]

Don’t look for saviors, look for critics to provoke your thinking :)

[@kerseyatwell4475]

@@bdstudios6088 having intellectuals that only bicker without doing anything to stop the evil they're mad at does nothing

[@paddleed6176]

@@bdstudios6088 What are the real problems?

[@13tuyuti]

@@paddleed6176 read zone Zizek and you'll find out.

[@FATHOLLYWOODB123]

I used to love Slavoj Zizek, until I saw the thumbnail, if its real, and he looks up to Stalin as a real communist, then I have lost all faith in him

[@gijsolff12]

He has a picture of Stalin hanging on the wall in the hallway of his home. I once saw an interviewer ask: "Why do you have a picture of Stalin on your wall?" Zizek said: "so idiots who come to my house will ask me that question"

[@gnas1897]

I don't understand what makes people think that stalin wasn't a communist.

[@gijsolff12]

@@gnas1897 I think the best ideology to describe Stalin with is "stalinism"

[@gnas1897]

@@gijsolff12 it's called leninism

[@serialthrilliayahoo]

@@gnas1897 nope both are are distinct socialist ideologies sooo...

[@brymtb]

Because he got a huge pay day...remember how he bent the knee at the end....yeah i didn't think so

[@CJFCarlsson]

Slavic nevergettoapointifyoucanhelpitness.

[@somethingawesome9547]

Jordan Peterson isn't a debater. He has never done well at debates; he isn't wired to do so. Understand that debates are not usually won by the person that was right. Other phenomena are at play. Peterson naturally tries to get to the bottom of things, to the truth. It's not about "winning." Halfway in to the debate with Zizek he admitted his approach was wrong. He went in to "win." But Peterson realized that's not his usual M.O. and transitioned back to the Jordan Peterson that is just interest of getting to the bottom of things; figuring things out. Peterson's best "debate" was against Sam Harris, but that is because Sam Harris approached the debate with the same intent Peterson did. Sam Harris actually can debate quite well, and without using "gotcha" strategy. But the Peterson/Harris "debates" was one of the best discussions of all time and the fact that it was moderated by Bret Weinstein made it even better. It's a shame that Harris has had a sort of falling out with Bret and Jordan. I understand that a few of you may be bothered by this, because intellectuals have "fans" that cheer for them as if it's a sports team and you want to cheerlead for your favorite intellectual. But it was Zizek himself that said he HATES this sort of behavior.

[@yoganandavalle]

This comment is a biased, probably you are a fan of Peterson, first of all, Harris beef with Brett was because Brett became to radical with the thing about the vacciness, many reasonable people started to have a beef with Brett actually, for example the guys at rebel wisdom which are the absolute best at heterodox thinking. Peterson has become a kind of caricature of himself, he was an intriguing character for me at the beggining, but I got dissapointed, I think this parody explain this best with images kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4i7qZ-Pr6d2pNE

[@somethingawesome9547]

@@yoganandavalle I’m not biased. And Brett has been right about the vaccines so far. Right about the large majority of it. Him and John Campbell have been great for for shedding light on the issue. Sam Harris seems to suffer from Trump derangement syndrome, which is a shame. If you’re going to accuse me of being a fan, I was probably a fan of Sam. But that has changed. And you’re not totally wrong about JP. His complaining about the Twitter suspension was unbecoming and I was not a fan of him signing on with Daily Wire. I would prefer him to be independent. But anyway, Brett has been right about the vaccines. Getting them is the biggest regret of my life.

[@TheSandkastenverbot]

Peterson does what most people do: he rationalizes the beliefs he already has. His arguments on religion are the best example for that: they're elaborate but absolute bs. He's far too intelligent to believe that if he were really interested in finding out the truth.

[@somethingawesome9547]

@@TheSandkastenverbot You should watch the full two day “debate” between Sam and JP, moderated by Brett. It was epic. And it helps that the two of them approached the debate NOT with the intent of winning. But with integrity and the goal of “figuring it out.” Not sure you can declare a “winner” of that “debate.”

[@simonkempe1212]

@@somethingawesome9547 Peterson has already made up his mind that his post modern interpretation of christianity is right because the historical cult of christianity was so influential because it's more complicated than that

[@davidfitcher2953]

1:33 NO, you can’t You’re an absolute mess

[@efcdom1878]

Cry more

[@davidfitcher2953]

efcdom1878 wrong! It’s the left that cries. Cos you play the victim all the time

[@roskiart8750]

@@davidfitcher2953 And yet it was Peterson who had the meltdown and proved lackluster in discussion.

[@RoanElvis]

Zizek is pretty obviously a very successful man, and the point is a good one since the aim of socialism is independence and self sufficiency, without dependence on enclosed land and resources, capitalists and the state.

[@t.c.6920]

David Fitcher I like how conservatives call everyone snowflakes but a soon as someone mentions the idea of lgbtq+ marriage people like you throw a tantrum and start crying about the bible and stuff

[@leoberg118]

I wish he and Peterson would Schshhwap voikschzes

[@SoarLong]

I'd do anything for this man to speak in a clearer manor. I want to listen to what he has to say but by god is it fuckin difficult at times. I barely got through his 1:30 of talking.