Slavoj Žižek + Paul Holdengräber "Surveillance and whistleblowers" - International Authors' Stage

I'M WATCHING YOU PART 1 - part 2: • Slavoj Žižek + Paul Ho...
4:48 Danish pornography
5:40 There is no harmony in the univers
8:44 David Lynch and the crawling excess of life
11:17 God underestimated us
19:40 Why do people read Stephen Hawking?
21:14 Surveillance and whistleblowers
22:40 The most dangerous freedom
30:40 The necessity of vulgar humor
35:24 The public persona
37:45 The connection between Pussy Riot and Snowden
41:58 Never allow intellectuals in power
47:30 Julian Assange, a spy for the people
53:46 There are only two different kinds of persons in the world
56:38 Right wing wisdom
57:39 People only want the appearance of freedom
1:01:51 The complicity of liberal tolerant capitalism
1:07:42 The European dream
1:13:50 Unjustified paranoia
The Slovenian star philosopher Slavoj Žižek in the first of two conversations on surveillance with the popular and charismatic interviewer Paul Holdengräber, director of Public Programs at the New York Public Library.
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The Black Diamond
The Royal Library
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18 May 2014
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[@Patavinity]

"What do you mean by this total platitude?" Such a perfect response.

[@brianel-khoury885]

What I can t get is how can move on without answering the question.

[@shatteredteethofgod]

The way he says it as if hes been attacked by the statement on a personal level is wonderful

[@wrichik]

05:18 Holdengraber - "Denmark is a country of many differences" Zizek - "What do you mean by this total platitude?" :P 53:39 Holdengraber - "What have we learned from WikLeaks? And have we really...?" Zizek - "Very good question!" Holdengraber - "I'm glad!" Zizek - "You know ... you are not a complete idiot!" Holdengraber - "No ... no ..." Zizek - "No, no, no ... I didn't mean this as a joke" ROFL! Gotta love Zizek! :D :D

[@DanielTheEditor]

+Wrichik Basu Lovely!

[@skstan1965]

+Wrichik Basu Zizek says something similar to Assange in the DN! debate with Amy Goodman, I'm glad to see you are not a total idiot! Assange is very brilliant, so Zizek has high standards.

[@LOLERXP]

Yeah but you leave out the quote where he explains that "not a complete idiot" puts him in the better of two categories.

[@SamLamingWingsuit]

Paul reminds me of a quote I roughly recall: 'He has an incredible talent, of compressing the most amount of words, in to the least amount of thought.'

[@Brian-ve7ds]

He seriously was unbearable

[@lemonlimelukey]

LMFAOOOOOOO "this is the helix nebula" slavoj just stares crosseyed

[@nightoftheworld]

1:21 "Why?" "I don't know... the eye of God is interesting to me?" "Sorry?" "The _Eye of God_ -interesting..." "Hm." "Ok."

[@pramitbanerjee]

finally, someone awkward.

[@salampsycho]

Zizek's 'hm' was hilarious !

[@farrider3339]

Zizek also could have said "wtf 🙄 !" 😁

[@BenNCM]

Holdengraber is a professional shit talker.

[@kierkegaard240]

God, this interview summarizes everything about why I love Zizek.

[@monsieurmerde8058]

What do you mean by this total platitude?

[@KehlBayern]

I laughed when he said this. What a quote.

[@thundercheeks1989]

I actually love the Žižek/Holdengräber dynamic. They are obviously friends who are constantly flirting with getting on each others nerves. I like this.

[@Brian-ve7ds]

I don't think they are friends.

[@jamesm1lner]

Great Zizek, despite dire, disappointing, needy interviewer.

[@oznavar]

Just watching Zizek fretting when he talks, and his thick ass accent makes my heart beat like 5bpm faster

[@randallbaker2000]

A joke: a new resident was being given a tour of a small town by the sheriff. As they were driving into the town, the new resident saw a sign saying: "speed limit enforced by radar installations throughout the town". The resident turned to the sheriff, and said, "That must be very expensive." The sheriff said, "About $15 for the sign." Zizek is right: the practical limitations of government observation make it a red herring. Just like the silly sign outside of the small town, the best course is to ignore it completely, because it runs almost entirely on fear, rather than reality.

[@stasistraveler2046]

‘this is what a madman does’ ‘which part was supposed to shock me’ xD ‘the notion that all people are not stupid’ XDdd

[@vishaljayani8362]

@6:12 that sniff voice is amazing

[@danielmb3678]

Fantastic

[@njits789]

I don't know if he says anything substantial, but I always - always - find myself coming back for more Zizek.

[@chessclassics]

Comment on the video. No one cares about you and what you think.

[@njits789]

@@chessclassics Oh? Has there been a meeting?

[@davyroger3773]

that must come down to charisma then

[@wolvox3085]

Try to understand then. Why listen if you don't even know what he is saying or if it is substantial?

[@njits789]

@@wolvox3085 I listened and then wondered (wondered!) if what he was saying was substantial. Have you read my comment until after the word 'but'?

[@yashbhardwaj4026]

49:27 "No! No! " Excitement 100 "Im a old totalitarian Leninist" Sneak 100

[@abhayalaukik1365]

Holy shit the interviewer almost did the impossible - almost stopped me from hearing to Zizek

[@houvenigge]

Zizeks theory on jokes (in particular at 32:41) is very interesting, and a view that I haven't found neither in Freud nor Bergson or other scholars of humor research. Is there a book of Zizek where he elaborates this theory? What should I read

[@freeross1910]

it's well known commie losers have no sense of humor

[@farrider3339]

@Jan : I agree , Z. has a very fine analysis on the way humor becomes a means of dealing with unchangeable "problems". Sorry I can't help you finding a 📖°

[@walterramirezt]

@@freeross1910 🤡

[@borisalvarezalzate8466]

Žižek's Jokes: (Did You Hear the One about Hegel and Negation?) Book by Slavoj Žižek

[@farrider3339]

~ "We should treat the secret police like a black servant " 👆 *This* 👆 Now I'm in love with Zizek 😍 Such damn sparkling ✨ mind ! A true pleasure following his jumps , skips and conclusions Thanks for uploading 🌺

[@aname5241]

1:11:12 Showing Hegel's logic to a cow

[@nightoftheworld]

Yess

[@walterramirezt]

😂

[@mlun]

watching zizek without sound is amazing.

[@farrider3339]

If god returned from his super continuum back here to earth after aeons of absence , Zizek could give him a precise update about what man has turned into . . . And I mean it 💮°

[@barbaralan3123]

44:00 = 'mother-nature is a bitch'.... PURE BEAUTY

[@jamesbubbastewartjr]

The dynamic between Holdengraber and Zizek reminds me of Zizek's opposition between the old, classic authoritarian father and today's postmodern liberal father. Holdengraber, instead of directly opposing or engaging Zizek, makes these little smiling insinuations and smart remarks. My perception is that he is aware if he fully engages Zizek he will not emerge victorious, so instead he opts for this friendly infiltration and sabotage from within.

[@freeross1910]

your mind is cabbage soup

[@Trixiemalixie100]

Sorry, I'm probably being dense, but what was the first clip, from the nature documentary?

[@bygmesterfinnegan6938]

Its a bit late but its called "burden of dreams"

[@VR-dq3ew]

I'm sorry for this and I love Zizek, but someone please tell me. What type of fabric is Paul's jacket made of?

[@Rylaan]

Linen.

[@asgersmasker]

it's just so great to watch this on the screen when you are fucking drunk. ok, lets do something bout it!!

[@spectromankenobi]

1:10:50 - privacy concerns, key point is the use of consumer's habit, it has been a real market with the victim's consent. regarding analysis capacity of huge data volume, ai automation is already ongoing since more than a decade, next paranoiac layer arrives with nr, when iot - 4.0 ind., will be fully integrated with db, allowing the use of ai orchestrators to controll and monitor any device in it's network.

[@spectromankenobi]

1:08:21, another quote - from cervantes, "yo no creo en brujas, pero que las hay, las hay"

[@tiagocruz6307]

No we dont have to return to big methaphysical questions. There are so many people in the world. Some can do it,others can focus on whatever they want,like hard science.

[@andrewhopkins3358]

Paul Holdengräber is the most underrated interviewer of all time. Everyone loves the rag on this decent intelligent guy!

[@rebharath]

"it's like showing a paper of Hegel's logic to a cow" - lmao

[@dux2508]

In this 80 minute interview I randomly started scrolling the comments to find that exactly when I read your comment zizek says the quote you wrote 71 minutes in.

[@nicolaasleach]

I can'y help myself I really love this guy...

[@vacuumnoise]

Soo good

[@silverdragon710]

slavoj "the half dissident" zizek on the other hand why does the host look like he's hearing everything for the very first time?

[@janerandomful3300]

Not only Zizek is disappointed by that other guy. What a naive character to talk to one of the greatest thinkers of our time.

[@sonricssss]

These remarks about surveyors stupidity that comes about from the inability to process the data that is produced from surveillance will not hold for very long with the advent of large language models (GPT-3/4) as large volumes of information will be easily and programatically categorized and presented to police institutions

[@marinanocera787]

these 80 minutes taught me that you cannot be a philosopher, if you can properly pronounce "s"

[@focusezz6947]

12:33 I heard Guangdong physics lmao

[@boazklachkin4177]

more like Pull Hold and Grab'er ... what a space cadet

[@MeksGadolnik]

To quote Slavoj Zizek: "Ssshhh"

[@kilometrelercemilimetrikhesap]

"Booo! Who will read that?!" hahaha A big fad book on Hegel.

[@nicolascalderoli711]

Spanish subtitle, please...

[@truthmonster3290]

how long was his release from the funny farm?

[@skstan1965]

This shows that Zizek is a nonlinear thinker, so it is just annoying when the MC keeps interrupting to clarify, as if the audience can't follow it, Zizek breaks it down very well to make the leaps. 12:07 Easy computer games, the forest is left unfinished in order to speak about the unfinished aspect of quantum instability.

[@lloplop]

am i crazy, or does Holdengräber play the Herzog clip without saying what film it is? I replayed it twice, I still didnt hear it. Can someone offer me this information, please? Thanks

[@balukirch7920]

not completely sure, but to me it looks very much like "the burden of dreams" by les blank, a documentary on the making of herzogs film "fitzcarraldo" in the peruvian (?) jungle

[@lloplop]

Balu Kirch well, that in-itself sounds very interesting! Thank you, Balu

[@RoyalBlue43]

Let Zizek speak! The interviewer is too smart for his own good.

[@jh8957]

People are hanging it on Holdengråber too much. I think you can actually tell that Žižek respects him.

[@davyroger3773]

Idk man watch part 2, he seems pretty sick of him

[@GalabuziX]

Paul H has a hard time catching up with zizek. I don't blame Paul, it is possible that he is observing more than he is listening to him, because zizek looks like a crazy person only 😜 if you mute your ears and listen to him using your eye. Zizek is Socrates!!!

[@dmitrygaltsin2314]

We can cheat God (C) Я в деле.

[@fingersinterlaced]

Does anyone know where to get a transcript of this conversation?

[@freeross1910]

iksch iksch iksch iksch iksch iksch iksch you're welcome

[@farrider3339]

@@freeross1910 🙄

[@freeross1910]

@@farrider3339 that's all i heard, what did you hear greta fanboy?

[@farrider3339]

@@freeross1910 LoL - Greta ? I couldn't disagree more to your conclusion. Greta is a lost girl absent any real agenda. Waving post signs making Kumbaya events is all that happens in her name.

[@farrider3339]

@@freeross1910 I heard , come off the neurosis of privacy. They hear maybe , but fail to understand . Habermass logic and the cow 🐮. Treat surveillance like a black servant . . . That's what I heard . . And many more which speaks straight from my core .

[@LOLERXP]

"Slavoje"

[@period5304]

Paul HoldAndGrabHer

[@StephenDeagle]

46:47 Interesting Freudian slip, eh.

[@lloplop]

Stephen Deagle first of all, you did not time this out correctly. Second, there is no slip to be found. I've listened before that time and after and theres nothing.

[@StephenDeagle]

@@lloplop He meant to say capitalism and democracy, eh.

[@Kobe29261]

Man, I don't even know where to begin. What he says at 34:00 is precisely why I despise all the college kids marching on the streets calling for the removal of statues of racist leaders. They have no idea what they concede to the experience of real racism. Real racism was so dark that to dream of it being undone or ameliorated with the removal of a statue is probably the highest insult to the legacy. My heart bleeds for them; it's like asking for reparation. When a man takes away your life or the life of someone you love the last shred of your humanity is betrayed by asking for financial reparation. What's lost is priceless; anything in payment is absurd to the point of blasphemy. How is this is not obvious?

[@silverdragon710]

4 years forward and they removed the statue themselves 🙅🏻‍♀️

[@farrider3339]

@Anogoya : replacement of one agenda with counter agenda is all that is achieved by taking down statue's. No use .•°

[@Kobe29261]

@@farrider3339 I don't know man, perhaps Hume is right and all this is a dream and causality is just a useful habit. Nothing besides explains the absolute irrationality.

[@farrider3339]

@@Kobe29261 rationality is a dictum of a mind searching for order and reason. This is pure futility. Z. maybe would say : 'Rationality is pure ideology ..' I would agree . . We're nothing but perfumed primates in desperate need of a fight , for reasons of self-assurance. No.Progress No.Civilization ...and the pendulum keeps swinging from war to peace and back on and on and so on and so on Cheer up It doesn't matter ✊🤠

[@Kobe29261]

@@farrider3339 Your mileage may vary but I'm like the Jesuits who first starred into Galileo's telescope 'I see it but I don't believe it'. Rationality is such a dependable mistress and this insistence on a greater safety from its abandonment rings false however compelling the evidence. I wake up every morning and read say Anthony Damiani, any of the mystics[mentalists] will do, and say to myself - this is all dream; until the cute girl at the park catches your eye and then you become 'embodied' again and it takes all the energy your soul can muster to hold on to the truth that she's another idea in your head. If you guys are right life is a sort of cruel game and me, at least right now, I'm too enamored to part with my toys! Travel safe my friend and leave traces where the dim-witted might find them!

[@josephsaff]

The problem is that this is meant to be a 'conversation', not just a lecture by Zizek, but I think Zizek genuinely to find a dialogical approach quite difficult.

[@Dosed318]

I agree completely - Zizek is better off having his own, internal dialogue, expressed out-loud. However, even if this were a literal dialogue, it was pretty clear at some points (minute 15, wow) that Paul couldn't follow Zizek. A lot of Paul's points didn't even seem to relate to Zizek's topics. Zizek always seems iritated in a way that suggests that Paul's comments are, in a way, off-topic and simply an interruption.

[@freeross1910]

@@Dosed318 zizek is not followable, DURP

[@PedroDias-hj2jy]

I mean... Yes but it says he is a interviewer so..

[@freeross1910]

@@PedroDias-hj2jy it is not possible to interview a communist mental patient

[@PedroDias-hj2jy]

@@freeross1910 😂😂😂😂

[@lovetownsend]

I have always agreed with the carelessness to observation, personal or otherwise, we should all be 100% vulnerable soceity without fear of how we believe. make this knowledge public, see how it transforms the worlds bullshit into truth.

[@stasabajac164]

Holdengraber is far more interested in appearing intellectual than participating in this conversation. The way he holds his hand, his glasses and makes pauses as if hes coming up with a brilliant train of thought. So rehearsed, so annoying.

[@jopeDE]

Yea yea you analysed him. You are great. Stop hating

[@silverdragon710]

he is so fucking annoying

[@farrider3339]

Precisely this was my impression too AT ONCE. Not to speak of his flat psychology he tries to impress himself with and by that trying to appear as an interviewer at eye-level. He wasn't . Although sometimes he skillfully brought Z. back to the topics. Not that this would be needed but H. succeeded .

[@benoitguillette8945]

At time 58:38, Zizek develops his idea that to deal appropriately with racism, we have to tackle head-on capitalism.

[@tenajyebba]

This is correct. Virginia law in 1760 says it all: focusfree.blogspot.com/2014/04/john-payne-dolley-madisons-father.html

[@tenajyebba]

Absolutely. Capitalism was the reason for racism in the colonies of the US. Here's a Virginia law from 1760: focusfree.blogspot.com/2014/04/john-payne-dolley-madisons-father.html

[@lloplop]

Janet Abbey Jane, you're stupid. First, the link you post does not provide links that work! Good job. Second, no one should listen to someone who can only manage failure.

[@benoitguillette8945]

lloplop Janet’s link works.

[@freeross1910]

the assumption non Whites cannot handle competition is racism, leftists are the racists.

[@walterramirezt]

I hate the way he interrupts

[@baturaltok1922]

09:57 " I love my job"

[@dumrat]

Who da fuck is Holdengraber? I almost puked when he asked "Which part was supposed to shock me?" just two minutes after he asked "Really?" when Zizek says anti-semitism is paranoia. The guy apparently can't follow Zizek.

[@lloplop]

Duminda Rathnayaka I agree he can't follow but definitely not by this example

[@esterzatkalikova6047]

lloplop No, that comment was purely condescending.

[@Holga1917]

That face 56:11 😂

[@ezesada7600]

12:00

[@midlearth09]

What's with the nose ?

[@farrider3339]

a tick

[@tiagocruz6307]

He has friends everywhere. His he lying? Why?

[@farrider3339]

He even sees his adversaries as friends . . . As simple as that °

[@reallivebluescat]

Paul comes across a bit like James Lipton to me . . .

[@reallivebluescat]

***** i would say to paul holdengräber, but whatever. Also, i dont think Lipton reads this Zizek hates inside the actors studio btw. And yeah, I think its some pretentious fucking bullshit too

[@tiagocruz6307]

What women want? All the logical stuff.

[@Trixiemalixie100]

oh, its herzog. sorry.

[@esterzatkalikova6047]

It's obvious that Žižek didn't like him from the beginning, but how can someone like Holdengräber be this unprofessional and condescending in a public debate I really don't understand. Seriously, if he's butthurt (and he kind of has a right to be), in NO way is it okay to take it out on the content/quality. Žižek's points weren't that hard to follow, especially not from the beginning and it's great how he can make comparisons and explain principles on examples. Good one.

[@therubixtesseract]

zizek plays video games? lol

[@silverdragon710]

you bet! and he plays with legos

[@freeross1910]

it's not obvious?

[@smhsophie]

zizek gaming

[@chinneths1]

45:00 CAPITALISM W/ ASIAN VALUES : It is very important that Slavoj should define his terms here. In Asian values of the the last 5000 years of Taoism, Confucianism, and Buddhism, it would greatly improve the structure and ethics of capitalism if the 3 former things are even compatible with the latter. What Zizek should have said is "capitalism with communist Chinese values."

[@suranumitu7734]

the lisp, the accent, the pseudointellectual mannerisms, and the fact that he calls him "slavož" make Holdengräber totally insufferable to me

[@sinepopuli]

France is a socialist country prof. Zizek...same as Mitterrand was, so he represented a left-wing wisdom...as opposed to eg. Tea Party in the USA which represents rather right -wing approach (limit the government, don't tread on me, we will home school our children, don't take our guns away)

[@freeross1910]

nothing right wing about the tea party, you are simply a radical left wing extremist.

[@Audioventura]

Given the fact that most of Zizek's analysis are effectively highly compatible with what Foucault came up with it is hilarious that he reproduces this gross misinterpretation of his works

[@lloplop]

Audioventura lmao you're an idiot. Do you really think your education is superior to his? You really claim you have a better understanding of Foucault? His comments on Foucault align with everything I have learned. You are certainly what zizek would call a "complete idiot"

[@Audioventura]

So Zizek is right because what he is saying matches with everything YOU have learned; Zizek's point can only be defended by reference to YOUR education? This is one hell of a case of 1.) egocentrism 2.) hypocrisy, as you're basically accusing me of the same 'crime' you are guilty of 3.) cheap rethoric trickery i.e. Kunstgriffe, as your argument is not referring to any content-related matter.

[@Kobe29261]

I see this with uncanny consistency people are always yapping at Holdengraber or whoever interviews Zizek. We forget how terrifying it must be to sit across from a mad man. I have so much respect that he dares to do this. Yes I like Zizek also but the man whatever else he is; has gone mad! He's joking and we all know it but nonetheless he completely abuses the man; if he had any insecurity Zizek shameless exploits it. I for one see why he tries to sneak an intelligent question every so often. Frankly this kind of set-up is not good for a character like Zizek. He ends up demonstrating how useless a prod is in his case. WHAT-A-MIND!

[@theongreyjoy19]

44:00 mother nature is a bitch

[@farrider3339]

It is !°

[@SrQueque]

The beginning is so pathetic.

[@DaNeedle]

It's brilliant. They are just two people getting into a conversation awkwardly. Someone should throw you into a Gulag and read you taxation laws for the next five months you ungrateful twirp. This is a gift. You're watching two spies, two traitors speak publicly of their illegal knowledge about the ratcage.

[@SrQueque]

Zizek said it well: it is Paul who will have to go to the gulag. I might have to go too, though - that is fair. I said it was pathetic because of the non-reason Paul gave for the image of the constellation. But it was far more pathetic around minute 15, when Zizek explicitly told him how disappointed he was in him.

[@DaNeedle]

antonioxnil I'm not sure pathetic is really the right kind of word for what happened here. Paul was being dumb and Zizek called him. As you can tell from the various little things going on in the video, one of their past times is calling each other out in clever ways.

[@billyckz379]

Thank God Zizek quickly buried it. They were getting ready for one of these postmodern stimulation exercises and Zizek couldn't stand it. If Holdengraber had cut the bullshit he probably would have gotten much more opportunity to talk, but as it is I'm glad he didn't.

[@Dosed318]

antonioxnil On minute 15 - honestly the constellation bit was forgivable (Paul said that others chose it, not him, if that's even true), but wow - was Paul even listening? Zizek's train of thought was very clear, in that he was just taking things further and further but it always related to the original point. I'm pretty sure Paul either couldn't follow or just zoned out (probably just thinking about what he wanted to say next, as usual) and tried to cover his ignorance by 'redirecting' the discussion back to the original point (which was being made all along!!). No wonder Zizek was disappointed. He deserved a better host.

[@lovetownsend]

dont lik interviewer personaltiy :/ srry, not to be rude. hes emphasizing "god" and quotes. enough of tis media headliner crap

[@akainminee3855]

Does Zizek ever shut up? What the hell.... So rude to the other guy.

[@rocantenrocanten4150]

клоуны