Slavoj Žižek + Paul Holdengräber "Voyeurism and digital identity" - International Authors' Stage

I'M WATCHING YOU PART 2
1:42 Blue Velvet and immature fantasies
7:45 Kafka - the great master
8:20 Wisdom is the most disgusting thing you can imagine
12:20 Job’s book
17:03 Woody Allen and Immortality
22:20 The meaning of the empty symbol
28:27 David Lynch’s use of excessive egos
36:49 Casablanca and Hollywood’s censorship
46:25 The staged identities on facebook
51:10 Our inner truth is a constructed lie
58:50 Virtual sex
The Slovenian star philosopher Slavoj Žižek in the second of two conversations with the popular and charismatic interviewer Paul Holdengräber, director of Public Programs at the New York Public Library. Watch part 1: • Slavoj Žižek + Paul Ho...
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The Black Diamond
The Royal Library
Copenhagen
17 May 2014
Video: www.videoakademiet.dk
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[@theongreyjoy1947]

1:00:39 this is pure pure gold

[@sunorcio3901]

Paul is a genuine and open guy, interested in besting himself, be like Paul.

[@Clickclocklovelock]

This has got to be the funniest Zizek interview I've ever heard. Paul does a geat job getting him going--irritating him with standard talking points. This is far more effective than a total attack like what Will Self did in his interview.

[@birdwatching_u_back]

God yes, Will Self’s method of “interviewing” Žižek was ineffective and self-aggrandizing to the point of being ridiculous. I couldn’t make myself watch the whole thing. *This* guy knows how to do what I guess Will thought he was ~trying~ to do.

[@prasantbanerjee8199]

Dr Slavoj Zizek is, as usual, his brilliant best as he is in every lecture of his that I either participated in as a member of the audience or viewed and listened on audio-video channels, mostly KZbin. As a teacher and a professional historian, what has always struck me is how felicitously the polymath can speak with great coherence on a series of cogent and inter-linked issues at the same time, and for a great length of time, and quote freely and without notes, a fearsome number of authorities and their works. All the while he keeps up the tradition of Giordano Bruno with interspersed and relevant jokes, never mind their attraction also for the high quotient of engageant obscénité . The mind boggles.

[@truthmonster3290]

Your mind is indeed boggled

[@OH-pc5jx]

If you’ve never heard someone rant against wisdom, you must never have read Plato - his nemeses, the Sophists, literally translate as ‘the wise guys’

[@sisyphus645]

Plato was a philosopher. A 'lover of wisdom'.

[@jimmykim5873]

@@sisyphus645 There should be a difference between “lover of wisdom” and “procurer of wisdom”

[@MelchiorGadua]

I love this duo!

[@povilasrackauskas857]

12:58 "Did i do anything wrong?" Gave me chuckles :)

[@andrealeal21]

55:00 Lol, Zizek gets very nervous as he is clearly exposed by Holdengräber, and continues to prove his point. Beautiful :)

[@ZachBradyisBrachZady]

?

[@AntonKuznetsovMusic]

It's truly wise to denounce wisdom.

[@JustButton]

I ask this in the kindest way: were you listening? You’re doing the wisdom thing right now

[@lovetownsend]

around 59:00 ... even though its all laughs, at the end it was rather beautiful realization. the hands touching, the true happiness in a person beyond your super-ego.

[@jamalcalypse]

if Paul would let Zizek finish, he would have explained his example of "Falling" in love being a great destabilizer of life. Everything's turned upside down and yet you love them. through the gradual falling Paul described, your partner is slowly checking off boxes and meeting your pre approved standards (common interests, cute quirks, display of confidence, whatever). a "fall" is not a gradual act, it's quick and clumsy, and most importantly presupposes an unconditionality. so your partner might not check this box, or have a sort of quirk that's not already preapproved as being cute, yet you love them DESPITE not meeting those standards. because it's pathological I suppose?

[@alaahaddad3163]

Great Talk by a Genius Person .

[@Kobe29261]

Its such a delight to see Slavoj enjoy himself! He's such a beautiful man at his core; he's however progressed too far into the dark without light - now he's lost the memory of the suspicion of light.

[@sullivansongz]

whaaaa??

[@HeathcliffBlair]

Great conversation. Some comments here seem critical of Holdengräber, but on the contrary I think he's the perfect interlocutor for Zizek, providing contour and context for the philosopher's always interesting but sometimes overly discursive style.

[@nightoftheworld]

Haha-∞ digressions

[@theongreyjoy19]

on the contrary

[@OH-pc5jx]

It’s a very funny linguistic coincidence for me, which I think runs to the heart of Lacan, that the Hollywood code (as in law) compelled Hollywood directors to discuss sex through a code (as in a system of signifiers)

[@megavide0]

8:27 Words of #Wisdom:: ;) "Whatever I say, You can sell it as a wisdom... There is no wisdom... But this You should learn from Your Kierkegaard..."

[@Geryboy666]

38:20 he's still struggling to notice that his earpiece is not in his ear, therefore causing discomfort and tensions with the cord.

[@kiwicfruit]

*loud buzzing* Paul: There seems to be an echo Žižek: y e (with a super straight face) 0:53

[@islatrope]

I saw a similar dynamic ( between these two )in a movie called, ' Amadeus.' I felt bad for the character of Salieri in the movie... but for some reason, I just can't feel sympathy for this host no matter how hard I try... Zizek's sincere reactions to the host's hidden envy, unnatural comments and questions make this entertaining and a good lesson on how not to behave, compare, or compete when in the presence of a sprit performing in its own domain.

[@njits789]

Absolutely disagree. The host played Zizek marvelously. Which is: gentle pushes and not trying to keep him on point all the time, because that would be idle.

[@19amf95]

what's going on at 57:00 is wonderfully self-reflexive

[@rajakeshav]

and while doing it he gave an example of what he was saying! awesome!

[@BISLY1]

somebody knows what short story he is talking about at 44:05?

[@AntonKuznetsovMusic]

I actually think the way Paul was behaving was very interesting.

[@tame1999]

Jesus not another interview with Holdengraber

[@Filedll]

Holdengräber is clear example that anyone who tries to stop Zizek speaking falls horribly and looks somewhat stupid. Let the guy speak. He stops after couple of minutes :)

[@lizthor-larsen7618]

Actually, he is the only interviewer I've seen who is able to truly engage with Zizek. In some ways I find it helpful and more insight full. When Zizek has a full head of steam and goes endlessly, freely from one idea bubble to the next it is exciting but sometimes like eating potato chips - fun but not satisfying.

[@truthmonster3290]

Wrong, interviewer is great. See his interview with Mike Tyson for a guest with coherent thought.

[@Jakecmuir]

@@truthmonster3290 could be a good interviewer but not for Zizek. You gotta give the Zizek room.

[@truthmonster3290]

@@Jakecmuir u gotta give zizek a padded room, he's not worthy of being interviewed in the first place

[@Jakecmuir]

@@truthmonster3290 haha, yes well maybe so. Zizek is not for everyone. I own all of his books so I’m clearly a fan.

[@RasierapparaT]

unfortunately the clip from blue velvet seems to be down ...

[@Norpan506]

1:18:53 I woke up to this. Completely different experience than my regular alarm clock. Not sure what to make of it, but she made my fantasy going. Now he is pointing towards the roof and I have to go to toilet. What movie is it?

[@victorblackley8372]

I think Zizek has thought more about the Blue Velvet clip than Lynch *did*. A case, perhaps, of the intuitive gift of the artist, in Lynch's case or art transcending the artist.

[@silverdragon710]

I like him very much and he has a lot of good points and you can really learn a lot but him saying he doesn't like Kubrick puts everything in question for me. Zizek check yourself!😅 btw does the host keep referring to him as "slavož" or am I hearing it wrong? wtf

[@BenNCM]

Jesus, every time I see Holdengraber another reason to hate him is revealed.

[@Birthdaycakesmom]

Slavoj’s shirt is so cute. Wisdom has a gender identity, and depending on the identity, it shape shifts and sometimes presents true value and direction but only if it is transient...

[@gonzogil123]

Is it possible to read it as the kid listening in, and watching since that is the scene, but he is yet to have a fantasy formation that would enable arousal? that is one reading introducing the gaze of a kid. But Chion needs to justify this. What you may argue is that what is seen, from that position, is that there cannot be any arousal from the person in the closet, because you have two different structures that attempt to access jouissance in two different ways. Hence for a neurotic, the strict script demanded by the psychopath will be withnessed minus the psychopaths' sublimation, or, fantastamic support he needs from his fantasy-enabling script in order to be aroused. This interpretation seems to demand less than Chion´s. Although I did purchase his book, and will read it. It is interesting because it is almost as if Chion is inviting you to agree with the veracity of the enabling fantasy of the psychopath. To accept it as true, as the truly adult way of getting off (the standard that must be upheld) since part of the structural fantasmatic support of the psychopath is that those that do not get off like him know nothing of enjoyment. They are the ignorant ones. So, Chion´s interpretation seems itself to be slightly ideological, and too supportive of the status quo in sexuality. Lacan´s observation with regards to the ideological neoliberal injunction "to jouir" "to enjoy"

[@mikenowacki9729]

apparently according to Dennis Hopper, the Blue Velvet script originally had his character sucking in helium so that when he spoke he sounded like a shrieking child, Hopper persuaded Lynch to not do that . . PMSL

[@BobanOrlovic]

Paul is so out of it, slavoj is talking about personality and then Paul interrupts him to ask about the weather last week

[@matheme]

Can someone tell Zizek about Gil Scott Heron's reading of Jaws?

[@ZachBradyisBrachZady]

I think somebody needs to tell me about it.

[@matheme]

the song's called bluesology. more of a spoken word piece. enjoy!

[@jlapointe]

Hah I loved @34:20: "Please, you are talking with a Hegelian. As a Hegelian I can prove anything to you"

[@aname5241]

1:10:00 - 1:10:06 But it’s too traumatic and painful when it will (just a matter of time) fail... :-/

[@spartahristova2631]

I´ll be back!

[@Thisguysgoinplaces]

I'm curious what Zizek would think of Japanese culture, where surface level decency is taken seriously and everyone is extremely polite.

[@lukadraganic]

A polite society is the one based on pretences and lies. No wonder they are depressed.

[@the_Fisher_King]

You should try the Japanese modernist literature, atleast no longer human by dazai and what lies underneath the Japanese politeness becomes apparent

[@Thisguysgoinplaces]

@@the_Fisher_King Thank you! Added it to my list :)

[@the_Fisher_King]

@@Thisguysgoinplaces no problem, glad I could be of some help

[@CMworldwide]

where can i get that shirt Zizek has on

[@sltfilho]

Dear Danes, who is this interviewer? What's his profile? He strikes me as a host for Denmark's Got Talent, or something. When he asks about "true wisdom" I understood that. Who's the guy?

[@WestergaardChristian]

Sérgio L Tavares Filho He's not danish. He's american.

[@kiril-jiwoo]

zizek is brilliant

[@HakWilliams]

Can anyone interview the Ž man though?

[@denitargski8955]

1:00:30 listen

[@Camelwrestler]

I like Žižek's shirt

[@AntonKuznetsovMusic]

haha, yeah, wtf?

[@izhan6991]

John Rosell It has a narcissistic vibe to it.

[@cosmicmanik]

1:06:45 ay Paulito ternurita!

[@anpro....]

👍👋

[@jlapointe]

@36:00 "...but I know what you want to say --" "I don't know what I want to say." "Yeah but *I* know. I didn't say that *you* know, of course you don't know!"

[@chrislandaverdedf]

" the popular and charismatic interviewer Paul Holdengräber" ... ... ...

[@TheBebelehaut]

It's better to read this interview.

[@marcosdenett3508]

This is the scene they're talking about at the beginning kzbin.info/www/bejne/qZbRf3efpcmghtE

[@user-my7lt7nl5p]

youtube comment

[@izhan6991]

Company Laser meta

[@izhan6991]

Company Laser M E T A

[@victorhbbs]

Public response to KZbin comment

[@rounakchowdhury2879]

Trashcan

[@minimonkey252]

reply

[@captainsurrey]

1:00:57

[@lenavoyles526]

So, why is it a shark instead of a cockatiel?

[@Lion117]

probably she was aware because she (arendt) must have read heidegger, and zizek probably thinks of this.

[@lenavoyles526]

“Boris Johnson has become his own satirist, safe above all.” Which makes him different from every other Englishman how?

[@fneedler]

Zizek cleverly says to Holdengraber, "yes, fine, you're an idiot, i will be polite, but really, can you just be quiet, you have no idea what I am talking about", with the slightest gesture...

[@hayinka7691]

6:11 how did he get sperm as component of his imagination at 6 years old?

[@lemondirector]

I think Zizek hates Paul

[@zubermesfin1679]

Why doesn't this guy just let him finish. Jesus Christ, he literally interrupts at the most interesting moments.

[@tiagocruz6307]

I dont think a fantasy is necessary to mess with reality. You only need to be an actor.

[@davyroger3773]

Replace fantasy with imagination

[@alexhernandez-hr8pd]

HOLDENGRABER!? i dont even KNOW her!

[@spartahristova2631]

Intellectual balkan dynamite. I love it.

[@truthmonster3290]

It's an insult to Slovenia this joke is taken seriously

[@nightoftheworld]

1:26:47 “No, the art of true (in good sense now) *multicultralism* is precisely: _how to coexist when we don't understand each other._ I don't want to understand everyone else and why not? For one good Freudian reason: _that I suspect that they don't understand themselves-you know._ It's not that if you really go deep into another culture you will discover some _secret_ or whatever-I don't believe in this. I think that cultures are cheating/inconsistent and so on. I think that you know, again true multicultrualism with me is not: _you live in an apartment where a Jewish upside, an Arab downside, an Italian to the left, or a Chinese to the right and then you all tell each other ethnic stories and at the end understand each other._ That's a nightmare! I want to live in a building (I love to live with foreigners) where you precisely remain at the level of superficial politeness. I don't want to understand them."

[@itsiwhatitsi]

57:00

[@pontuskjelldahlwaern9861]

this interviewer has a big ego

[@sidarthur8706]

holdengräber? i hardly know er

[@massacreee3028]

Lmao

[@OH-pc5jx]

Evidently the Bibliotek censored the Casablanca scene because it was too vulgar

[@njits789]

Hahaha!

[@lizthor-larsen7618]

With respect to rape, comrade. noone "gets over it."

[@ThorstenPattberg]

At 22:00 shit hit the fan: "Are we doing anything wrong?" Slavoj is world famous, of course, and can afford dirt-talking Jews -always funny, polemic, always polarizing. In Germany, any ordinary professor would lose his position immediately after such a rant, and I don't know about Denmark but it looks as if the organizers were not too happy about it either.

[@AConversationOn]

"dirt-talking Jews" ? He isnt dirt-talking any jews... he's doing the opposite.

[@LuisManuelLealDias]

What do you mean by "dirt-talking jews"? I never seen a person that I could with such a confidence say he's not an anti-semitist than Zizek. He's not one precisely because he knows how we all are "one" and in what precise way, just like he explained in his "Jaws" reasoning.

[@raggledaggle721]

it was because of the noise something produced through the speakers. she asked if they had a phone or anything that might produce it.

[@arime6382]

Oooooo slavoj, you have disappointed ne . In a different interview , you said your friend came up with the stark bringing children. Now it was ur genius that came up with it. Wtf can't trust nothing now days

[@ulquiorra4cries]

32:00 idiot moment 36:00 "Who claimed that you know?"

[@ulquiorra4cries]

39:20 "yeah a stupid phallic symbol..."

[@lovetownsend]

these guys are on two completely different levels :/ ... hard to watch

[@aimeehueman]

😂

[@ProletarianTakeover]

Lmao this nigga wanted to SHUT IT DOWN

[@crazyguysadvice]

anti-wisdom- anti dogmatist and anti unread- philosopher. this guy never heard of zetetics even? Aporetics? HALOOOO? wtf? christ the interviewer i mean

[@carlaalmeida2092]

I find here some contradictions.

[@andrewgriffin6439]

What contradictions?

[@apexxxx10]

Kierkegaard translated to English means "churchyard" and Paul Holdengräber is annoying. Don't know why but every inch of him and his voice irritates me.

[@ToadaBrava]

The interviewer interrupts zizi just to make some stupid normie remark, LET ZIZI SPEAK

[@WhompingWalrus]

lmao, Holdengräber is queueing up videos about sexual assault. Hold 'n' grab 'er.

[@lucianopavarotti2843]

Paul Holdebraber, the world's worst interviewer because he thinks all his guests should really be interviewing him....

[@PetrusMetallsakrus]

actually comunism is much more disgusting than wisdom.. Žižek has interesting ideas but he always devalve it with his marxist/comunist proclamations and advices to let evil governers made decisions for You ..its absurd that he is considered one of "biggest" todays thinkers/philosopers while he has so many gaps and absurd ideas and so many flaws in his approach... Its probably reason why is He pushed and praised so much... because he tell people in short -just shut up and let governers to have you as puppet and victim of whatever they want to...