Slavoj Zizek - LGBT Liberalism & the New Right Are Two Sides of the Same Coin

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[@genossewurzelkobold3141]

Based and so on and so on

[@belstar1128]

Zizek is so smart a lot of left wing people who seemed smart totally fell for modern political correctness but he didn't. i wonder if its because he is from eastern Europe and he had a different mindset because of his upbringing compared to people in western Europe.

[@ognjendzomba4364]

I belive that is the reason

[@GG.Sanchoo]

Non-western Marxists tend to be more socially conservative or “anti-woke.” Many Latin-American Marxist’s (like myself) are Liberation theologians, applying Marx to Catholic teachings, so we tend to me more socially conservative

[@Slovenija_patriot]

I agree but Slovenia is in central Europe not Eastern Europe.

[@belstar1128]

@@Slovenija_patriot that is copium there is no such thing as central Europe. you are Slavic and from an ex communist country. you have more in common with Russians than with Germans. and that is not a bad thing to be ashamed of.

[@Slovenija_patriot]

@@belstar1128 You misunderstood me. We are totally slavic and very proud of it. Czechs, Slovaks, Poles are too but we aren't in Easten Europe but Central Europe.

[@ElBoyoElectronico]

This is so important! I really hope his work reaches more people.

[@antonkoschak1173]

Return of the King

[@chengzhou8711]

The beggar who says he is a king and the king who says he is a king are both equally insane

[@Faus4us_Official]

​@@chengzhou8711 Haha! I needed that laugh. Thank you comrade

[@mnmlst1]

I love how he often writes his speech beforehand instead of just making up words as he goes. It shows how careful he is with his words. He takes time to write these words.

[@ultrastarrz6620]

these words are the best words

[@MrGregglesC]

That's the best explanation of the current world I've heard

[@galahaaad]

Hello, Slovakia here! Exactly this is happening in our country right now - "leftist", nationalist and far-right pro-russian government was elected to dismay of democratic, liberal and progressive political spectrum. Now society is divided and big role played Kremlin's propaganda which got out of control in our country.

[@rossshand4385]

Anyone who rants one-sidedly about "Kremlin propaganda" cannot be taken seriously. Whatever propaganda Russia puts out is by dwarfed US & Western propaganda. BILLIONS are spent funding the "democratic opposition" in countries around the world, and thats before you get into privately funded propaganda, Soros, NGOs, etc.

[@rossshand4385]

@@arisnotheles "Liberal democracy" is just a myth that conceals class dictatorship. In a society where wealth and ownership, including ownership of the news media, are in the hands of a single class, there can be no genuine, effective democracy, only tyranny and corporate rule. The supposed "crisis of democracy" is no such thing, because we dont have democracy. What it is, really, is a crisis of liberal democracy, as the people begin to see through the lie.

[@Pesikosse]

It's over now after the presindential election last saturday :(

[@galahaaad]

@@PesikosseI'm also disappointed and disgusted, but it's not over unless we give up. That's what Fico wants, people who resigned and stopped being interested but I can assure you that there is at least 46.87% who didn't lost their mind yet.

[@ayetotheeye]

"Either we invent a really new social order to deal with the ongoing problems or neo-feudalism will take over" - mark his words. after 13 years of Orban's reign, Hungarian society is well underway to neo-feudalism (see also prebendalism).

[@amypellegrini1732]

I wish to know what Zizek thinks of Javier Milei

[@sierra715]

Really cool to see you back!

[@ukrainetouristsnipersafari9820]

I always get a shiver when zizek mentions peter sloterdijk, because he is a legend, although zizek made me laugh the most (out of my own naivety and the seeds of insight), sloterdijk made me laugh with every sentence and his association power and neologisms are godlike. Xp All that is happening (me2, black live matters, lgbt+ craze, plastic recycle plastikis on coffee, chasing moths away from light sources) really makes people angry and i agree since the global intuition is shattered, there is no way to channel disharmony then to resonate to something unrelated. Todays world feels like bogus and madness

[@volkerengels5298]

We have reached peak oil. Think of it as a global heroin addiction - and the dealer is out of the drug. From then on, madness is normal. We have climate change. And a huge information gap -> _“Climate change is leading us to extinction!”_ Madness is normal given this biological-physical background

[@nathanhardee__]

Super great conclusion too, all great points as always but especially that ending about moving against the tendencies of history, really hard to understate how f*d we are

[@ponscremator9536]

The Fire Rises! 🔥 🔥 🔥

[@nikhtzatzi]

well the think is we dont talk about revolutionist clarity , But for different ways of life to be tolerated and supported, not always "celebrated". The people in one side, clearly will let traditional ways of life to be there in tact. the other side has problem with certain ways of life to the level of the indivintual's choices, even when these decisions affect no one. so, its not "exactly" the same.

[@iwouldprefernotto49]

Get Zizek's 'I WOULD PREFER NOT TO' t-shirt (or hoodie) here: i-would-prefer-not-to.com

[@fabiolemosba]

Very honor to me : bê the First to see A great Hug from Salvador Bahia Brasil Where did you meet to me when you was lauching your book the Paralax View ( 12/10/2008) . And when you ask My My Name to give me a autógrafh i told to you : " oh mrs. Zizek, My Name ia Fabio and ia a honor to me , because I am a student of law and i am a member of two research groups , one about labour enviromment and workers rights and the other about the landless moviment and the Right for Agrárian Reform. And your book " welcome to desert of real inspired me to make articles and presenteted them on regional and National Students of law congress by 4 times"

[@Somereasonstolive]

Sou de Sp com família em Salvador acabei de passar uma semana aí, Nossa não fazia ideia que o Zizek ja veio para cá! Que incrível e que privilégio seu plmrds! Daora demais haha

[@pointofthisbeing]

Just please be careful making the usual conflations of convenience in either direction. Some parts _are_ natural change which must occur; some parts _are_ birthed of good intentions. The problem, as always, is subversion by power seeking and, to a lesser degree, a kind of nervous excitement to do good that can crush underfoot.

[@Agostoic]

If only one could tell who profits from it... Welcome back !

[@yarpenzigrin1893]

The WEF of course.

[@FP_95]

Litteraly the Grail question!

[@MeczennikFitnessu]

Very anti - semitic comment

[@NS-pj8dr]

What is "it" exactly?

[@FP_95]

@@NS-pj8dr "Who is served therefrom?"

[@ihavenojawandimustscream4681]

Finally someone saying it

[@carlosfelipelopezvasquez6860]

I am so agree with this. Zizek was always suggestin this point of view, White occidental postmodern liberalism and conservative, neo facist movement are an expression of identitarian politics and subjetive modern capitalism.

[@FP_95]

Gustavo Bueno: EXTRAVAGANT RIGHT & INDEFINITE LEFT are the SAME.

[@Somereasonstolive]

Finally new upload 🥲

[@Rnankn]

The class-identity debate is an old one, but should be compatible under a common politics of anti-domination or equality. Identity is surely exploited by the right because it allows them to take capitalism as given if they centre politics on ‘culture’. Yet, to dismiss the historic materialism of gender and race relations is to miss crucial parts of the wider story. There can be no redistribution with recognition, because there will be no anti-capitalist movement when members of the movement are marginalized

[@a_kazakis]

These 2 things are not connected in a causal relation. You can have and anti capitalist movement where members of the society are marginalized and you can have a perfectly capitalist system where all bigotry and personal identity problems are solved and people are only discriminated against based on class. To conflate the 2 is to lose focus of the end goal. I think that is what Zizek was referring to by saying that the elite "cares" about eliminating bigotry as a distraction, while he right now seem more revolutionary because, while they don't care about bigotry, their message is usually more anti-establishment than the left.

[@richard8670]

Marginalized in the movement. For marginalization in society, it's the exact opposite. The more accepted minority groups are in wider society and in the global capitalist system, the less reason they have to be dissatisfied, to be a revolutionary, to act. Campaigning for society at whole to accept your favouried minority group, (which is 100% of what the modern left does, there's been no protests centered around class since occupy wall street, think about why identity politics started to ramp up a hundredfold post occupy wall street), lowers the chance of your movement being succesful. A revolutionary doesn't campaign to improve the system they're trying to revolt against, to make it more stable, they actually plan action and revolution. Which the modern left doesn't, because they're all impotent.

[@thekween9037]

@@a_kazakis maybe in some theoretical flight of fantasy that is true, like a Platonic Ideal Form of capitalism or something. If we're being empirical about it though, capitalism has always bent division into its service. It has exacerbated the fault lines of gender, race, and sexual orientation / gender identity in the very service of its aims, which is to keep the proletariat squabbling and subordinate so that it can maintain profit. Zizek's argument in the video is a testament to that fact - capitalists are exacerbating and stoking the flames of fault lines that already existed but were nowhere near this 'hot' a few years ago. The phrase 'culture war' wasn't on everyone's lips in 2015, but leftists and the right wing had their differences still. Now it feels 'hot.' Brace for what's coming.

[@thekween9037]

@@richard8670 "which is 100% of what the modern left does, there's been no protests centered around class since occupy wall street, think about why identity politics started to ramp up a hundredfold post occupy wall street" That is objectively not true. The writer's strike is a class strike, the biggest of its kind in a long while, aimed at delivering terms to capitalists that protect worker interests. Smaller strikes have been ongoing constantly, teacher's strikes, amazon strikes, union strikes, and unions are gaining momentum lately as well.

[@DelFlo]

Cope. The ‘historic materialism’ of gender and race is nothing other than the historic materialism of Capital. Dynamics of economic and intellectual class can explain every other form of inequality in society. If we act like gender and race inequalities magically arose on their own and can be eradicated without economic reform, *that’s* when we miss a crucial part of the wider story.

[@jjreddick377]

One cannot escape postmodernism.

[@HermesNautico]

8:07- I appreciate Liberal Democracy, it's a wonderful thing. But today it's a crisis, because the only way to confront all the problems we have today, is to go beyond.

[@MichaelDuciaume-yq6dc]

Actually very intelligent man, bravo 👏

LGBT Liberalism & the New Right are two sides of the same coin--- no more Zizek for me

[@FP_95]

Santiago Armesilla (or maybe Gustavo Bueno) said it first! I'm glad we're all on the same page! Solidarity ✌

[@ghostfires]

and sawan and sawan

[@austinmackell9286]

But where were the police and national guard on Jan 6? And yes, of course everything is a displacement of class struggle. The only thing any one should ever talk about is class struggle. The problem is, no one talked about class struggle yet.

[@DellDuckfan313]

I think neoliberal policies have made the traditional Marxist class dichotomy irrelevant. The economy is now fundamentally different from what it was during the industrial age.

[@PaddySlattery]

This almost feels like the very late glimmers of hope for humanity, as we make a huge transition into the unknown. Oh, and it's being verbalized in a pessimistic manner. Or should I say realistic/pessimistic way.

[@artsolomon202]

Its so simple in this age, people without brains fight wars for people with brains that dont use 'm as good as those who use it for a bullet.

[@billySquanto]

Quite timely!

[@LaymensLament]

its even more basically both an attack on the plurality of society by sacrificing tact and independence for some idea of global good. u can get this from a lot of classic work on the public but obviously the argument is very unpopular today.

[@H3XED_OwO]

Yellow drinks Blue cool aid and green drinks red cool aid.

[@taipingwashighaf6514]

welcome back!

[@hammerdureason8926]

both are engaged in different forms of magic abstact thinking which embrace absurdity to assert meaning ( in response to alienation, vacuity ) - thus topologically equivalent. the language of kindness is highly localized & idiosyncratic- intimate, hyper-generalizations ( theistic & otherwise ) & hyper-indivualization destroy the requisite conditions. in the first instance a squeezing together/homogenization which eliminated the idiosyncratic & in the second there is a constant distancing such that all interactions are intellectualized - made distant - eliminating localization

[@Strangepete]

Yo Adrian, hope you're doing well 😉🙂

[@iwouldprefernotto49]

Wow, now there’s someone I didn’t expect to hear from… how’s it going?

[@Strangepete]

@@iwouldprefernotto49 ole.buddy ole pal! Oh you know just scrounging around here for some good videos to steal and put on my facebook once again 😉 4 real doe life is a mixed bag in general and for me it is too, but hey I'm alive and kickin' it... we're in our freaking 30's brah dat time flies and the world is clearly gonna be RBE'ing in no time it seems #criticalmass lol. And you? 😁

[@manmanman2000]

Why are there flags of the Vatican and Bavaria?

[@comrademonke101]

Been a minute bro 😎

[@germaniatv1870]

why is he saying this now? was he waiting for the right moment?

[@PaddySlattery]

because common sense can always comes exactly when its needed, right? dear humans, make a note of this.

[@germaniatv1870]

@@PaddySlattery well, we have come to this conclusion 5 years ago already, but nobody took it serious.

[@guguigugu]

as an LGBT liberal who is right wing i can confirm

[@frecuenciasoniricas2867]

Which ideology is more empty of substance, Zizek's or Jordan Peterson's? Look for Noam Chomsky answer when asked about Zizek's philosophy

[@Monkismo]

In his criticisms, he focuses on fringe issues that exist primarily only in three social media platforms, and ignores the fact that it was "liberals" who achieved real-world gains for workers, the environment, animals, women, minorities and LGBTQ over the past 50 years, against constant resistance from the right, which is not only culturally conservative but also economically conservative and rabidly anti-socialist and anti-communist. Like many pundits, he also calls centrist and conservative Democrats "liberals" to fit his argument, when most of the left stopped doing so decades ago when the DLC Democrats took control of the party.

[@nerztobias3863]

the critisism is for both sides. it's even written under the video. now go back to reading lovecraft, kiddo

[@NS-pj8dr]

He does not disagree with your historical analysis. His point is that, since the left was successful in mainstreaming minority rights in feminism, lgbtq, and racial justice in public discourse (about 15 years ago), the liberal elites (dnc) have since adopted these views to get re-elected, even though they don't really care about these issues if it threatens their wealth. They realized if they focus solely on identity issues and ignore material struggle, they can act like they are progressive when in reality they oppose progressive movements. The right has since used the liberal elites' (Democrats) defense of minorities as a means to stir up bigoted dissent and rally their base, thereby creating the "culture wars" and the common modern right wing mindset that the left's "woke agenda" controls everything, thereby convincing people to hate minorities again for "controlling what you can say." The real progressive movement of course supports bernie and aoc, who champion the rights of all minorities and the working class, including the disillusioned white people who voted for trump, and the disillusioned poc queers who voted biden. Both the Democrats and the right ignore the real progressive message because it actually seeks to liberate all people from the control of the rich and powerful.

[@otoyoto7153]

I'm pretty sure he was using the term liberal in the original/non-American sense, and in that case he's right to call centrists and democrats liberals, that's what they are. And it was LGBT people themselves, workers themselves, and women themselves (typically with the help of radicals such as communists) who did most of the work for these real-world gains. Liberalism even in progressive forms has always been feeble, inadequate, timid about these improvements, especially in regards to worker's rights.

[@clown_world_enjoyer]

How can he be so stupid on geopolitical issues like Ukraine though?

[@Absydion]

It would be very helpful if the transcript was actually edited. It's not accurate.

[@P6199]

Zizek is a genius.

[@Drantico]

I didn~t understand much but all i can say it sounds like poems and it's ispiring, somehow, somewhat.lol.

[@thomascameron6404]

I actually appreciate his view on domestic politics and how it intertwines with foreign policy. We’re (all the world) in a multi faceted conflict who’s targets are ourselves and our leaders. In the US, both parties think they’re in an existential crisis because of the opposition and their viewpoints but the reality is, the side with the stronghold on the bureaucracy is that who controls the country, and today that’s the American far left. The conflict presents itself as Left vs. Right, but what it really is Moderates vs. Extremists. The moderates are morally sound, mostly blue collar, and objectively correct in how they consume the raw data. The Extremists are representative of the far left and the far right. They experience the angst with bias and feel the need to associate with a group, this has resulted in the violence you see from the Antifa type and the Proud Boys type. Now the next tier of this conflict is in governance, it’s worth noting that this country isn’t a Democracy nor a Constitutional Republic. There are 2 factions fighting for control, they’re the Duopoly that is the Democrats and Republicans and then there’s the far right. This intergovernmental conflict mirrors the one happening outside of Washington- Moderates vs. Extremists, although without the context you’d think the far right were the extremists. The supposed “far right” are actually the next iteration of the progressive movement, and before going further it’s worth mentioning that they are not representative of the far right extremists using violence to meet their ends. This new right wing progressivism is in response to the overshadowing power of the duopoly, a duopoly that has total control over the military, media, economy, education, and system of governance. At the current time, because people are becoming enlightened to this reality, division is stoked with intensity because the appropriate response to our situation is radical in nature, a truth that must be accepted. The problem is, the conflict between people is applied to the conflict between legislators and they’re two completely different battles with two completely different motives. The conflict between people implies that we live in a Constitutional Republic and the conflict between legislators implies that we do not. It is the moderate of people, both “on” the left and right who are pushing this agenda through with no formal representation because both parties share in the fruits that are beared in us not knowing or understanding this intergovernmental conflict. Now taking this information, you can apply it to every single country on the planet, conflicts among moderate and extreme people, controlled by a government who is unrepresentative of either side and their values who are now being challenged by small minority groups of “radicals”. Whether it’s Israel today or Brazil tomorrow, it all boils down to a conflict amongst classes who are coerced into fighting amongst each other then against each other resulting in two parallel realities in contradiction to each other.

[@macgp44]

"In the US, both parties think they’re in an existential crisis because of the opposition and their viewpoints but the reality is, the side with the stronghold on the bureaucracy is that who controls the country, and today that’s the American far left." If you truly believe the American bureaucracy is "far left", you know nothing about reality.

[@thomascameron6404]

@@macgp44 Enlighten me please, they literally call themselves the LIBERAL Global Order

[@be4677]

just like Knut Hamsun - the older the weirder - but Hamsun was a king

[@zusm]

It has always been Trotsky

[@jjreddick377]

He’s correct. The mentality is very similar on both extremes

[@dbass4973]

i usually don't like Žižek but here he's got some good points

[@AndruXa]

word

[@briandelaney9710]

God he sounds like Trotsky with all his errors

[@volkerengels5298]

A woman goes to the vegetable vendor. "I would like 1 kilogram of tomatoes." The vendor looks behind him and says, "I'm sorry, we're out of tomatoes for today." The woman walks away and returns after half an hour. "I would like 1 kilogram of tomatoes." The vendor says somewhat gruffly, "I already told you, we don't have any more tomatoes!" The woman walks away and comes back after half an hour. "I would like 1 kilogram of tomatoes." The vendor spells out loudly, "W E D O N ' T H A V E A N Y T O M A T O E S." The woman says, "Ah, why don't you say that right away..?" =============== They don't hear you...

[@svperuzer]

Hi

[@unknowninfinium4353]

Nah Zizek you dont get it. They are different. Not everything is Socialism. Not everything is Hegelian. And not everything is according to you or any other failed philosopher like Marx. P.S you are not thinking about coins. Try harder....

[@Meatyowlleg]

The bumptious race struggle creates a new battlefield for both left and right, and lead them away from reaching their inner spirituality and facing the real class struggles created by corporations like black rock and WEF.

[@derekgregory7098]

what a long way to say very little lol

[@dr3dio]

I like this analysis from Zizek but I’d like to point out that not only left vs right is outdated but class conflict politics is also. the modern PC liberals aren’t obfuscating class differences, they just ran out of things to do politics on; liberalism actually ended and the project has nothing left to accomplish. So I don’t think it’s even useful to think it’s about class anymore, it’s purely a vanity project that liberals continue because the fact is that their rich and still haven’t found meaning. The right is now seen has the more class conscious party purely because the left got all the power, not because class itself is the issue.

[@el-sd8oo]

Court bozo

[@normcoreconformity]

da beeb

[@VolkColopatrion]

january 6th... but no one talks about the uprising that happened at the capital when HAMAS attacked.

[@wesselbindt]

Yeah horseshoe theory let's goooo Such insightful and novel perspective. Really makes you think

[@superdeluxesmell]

I think it’s time Zizek got a new gimmick. The captain conundrum gag has been old for twenty years. Come at me fanboys!😂

[@BloodHarzard]

It's hard to believe I've been a step ahead of such a genius guy. I'm glad he speaks out against this, no identity but class identity.