Jordan Peterson's Critique of the Communist Manifesto

On February, April 19, 2019, I debated Marxist philosopher Slavoj Zizek in Toronto, April 19 at the Sony Centre. I started with a critique of The Communist Manifesto, which is the central revolutionary document of the Marxist movement.
Dr. Zizek is a Slovenian philosopher and professor at the Institute for Sociology and Philosophy at the University of Ljubljana, whose works on cultural studies, psychoanalysis, and, above all, for the purposes of our debate, Marxism, are world-renowned. The topic? Happiness: Marxism vs Capitalism.
A good article, I think, on Zizek: www.iep.utm.ed...
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[@byronc.9861]

At minute 14, Peterson correctly points out that the Manifesto was a call for "bloody, violent revolution, and the overthrowing of all existing social structures." This statement is met with cheers by some in the audience. Not grim applause, but cheers, similar to those you'd hear at a sporting event. Even Peterson, who (as a practicing clinical psychologist) is confronted with insanity on a regular basis, was taken aback. Some people relish the opportunity for violence. They think "bloody conflict" will be fun. Either they have never truly experienced horror, and so cannot see why it should be avoided, or they have, but are so blinded by ideology that they would not hesitate to inflict it on their "oppressors". Both possibilities should alarm you.

[@2411509igwt]

@@MechaSegaNite No, a wage they don't like (ironically due to Government interference in the labour market) is worse than bloody murder. Murder doesn't faze them, freely contracted work does.

[@thekalamazookid4481]

They are naive most likely, which is dangerous. If they where given the chance to act on those feeling's, it would be too late before they realized the tremendous wrong they had done. At that point I suspect they would have to rationalize their wrong doing. A sort of bloody cognitive dissonance.

[@byronc.9861]

@@thekalamazookid4481 I think they lack an appreciation for the tremendous achievements of western civilization and capitalism. They can only see the faults in the current system. Problems do exist, of course, but incredible progress has been made. To ignore that, and to ignore the horrific failures of every Marxist government that has ever existed, is to ignore reality. It is very easy for them to act without thought for consequences, because they genuinely believe that the current system is Hell on Earth. Naive isn't strong enough of a term. They are delusional. And therefore dangerous.

[@thekalamazookid4481]

I agree to a certain extent. I don't want to paint them all with the same brush, however there is definitely a sect of them that are dangerous for this reason. I was thinking more about the average person in the ranks of the leftist/marxist camp if you will, and how a the effects of mob mentality can lead them to a path of absolute horror contrary to their feeling of righteousness.

[@isaiahwelch8066]

@@thekalamazookid4481 : I think your post has more to do with blind zealotry than anything. Only someone who blindly follows what they've been indoctrinated to believe, and then gathers those of like mind to form a mob, would be the kind of characteristic you mention. And before I go on, I agree with you, with what you said. I'm merely pointing out the fact that, psychologically, it is a delusion to simply accept and not question. These kinds of behaviors are most often seen in events that transpire between the police and the citizenry, where when a shooting (intentional or not is irrelevant here) resulting in a death, the mob gets formed because of the emotion running rampant among the individuals of the group. And to spite the truth of the matter later, as was shown by the Michael Brown case, the mob still wanted the head of the cop, Darren Wilson, on a pike -- notwithstanding the evidence that came to light that exonerated him. The same was said of Kyke Rittenhouse, when I've run into people that only know what the media reported, and not the whole story. The biggest issue I find today is, to spite the fact we have access to information, there is a severe problem with emotional cognitive dissonance -- that no matter what the facts and evidence shows, or what the science of a given matter is, there are thousands, maybe millions, of people who disregard what the objective science actually says, and still goes with the idea that what they "feel" or "believe" is more important than what objective reality is, and thus, show their cognitive dissonance for what it is. This problem then manifests in political discourse, when the emotional many do things or want things the rational minority know is wrong, or is outright false. In some cases, this even leads to regression, or worse, such as black people assaulting or even killing Asian people, knowing they wont be prosecuted, because of the fear from government not wanting to uphold the Rule of Law, lest they be called "racist." This is why I've been telling people that unless this crap about one group of people _has to be_ racist, while another group _possibly cannot be_ racist, we will not progress, but instead, regress. In some ways, segregation is acceptable again, and I fear that a reverse kind of Jim Crow will take hold, sooner or later, and in the process, MLK's message of judging people not by color of skin, but by content of character, will be lost -- and in the process, this country will internally implode, and ethnic tribalism will completely take over.

[@Ali-yq9fr]

"Adopt responsibility for your own well-being, try to put your family together, try to serve your community, try to seek for eternal truth" - Jordan "Red Skull" Peterson, International Super-Villan.

[@roguegen5536]

Hail lobster!

[@BlueDebut]

Hail lobster

[@hitmanekoyslnp8572]

Hail lobster

[@jennifs6868]

what a bizarre situation he lives!

[@MaximilianonMars]

@@jennifs6868 it's pretty cool if you ask me, not to say I agree with everything he does but you know he's a man of renown when so many attack him for being as truthful as he knows how.

[@eldonelder7254]

"It's absolutely foolish to make the presumption that you can identify someone's moral worth with their economic standing." ~Dr. Jordan Peterson

[@hamidkarim4811]

This statement is so self evidently true that it's painful how some people think otherwise.

[@alexanderlindsey7134]

I think red skull said that

[@JasonManners]

That is so true but politicians teach people with less money to hate people with much more, even if they are great people who worked extremely hard to get it. Rich people are judged quite a bit without knowing them. There are good and bad people in every race, gender, class, or wealth bracket. You have to get to know the individual first, especially in the US where it is very diverse.

[@TheTopHatCatShow]

Marx literally doesn't make any moralistic assessments in the Communist Manifesto though. The whole point of the Manifesto is that if classes exist in a society and those classes have contradictory economic incentives, then it inevitably lead to social conflict. Jordan Peterson is providing you with a faulty analysis, as usual.

[@g.s.5868]

you can, rich became rich with the sweat of the poor, no morals

[@masonkaniszewski2645]

Human beings weren’t DESIGNED to have everything they ever wanted handed to them. He’s so right about that quote. “They would engage in creative destruction… to have the adventure of their lives.”

[@coolioso808]

There's a difference between having 'everything someone ever wanted handed to them' (this applies no work or effort or challenges in life to achieve something), which has never been the case ever and is so absurd for Peterson to suggest anybody ever advocated for that and ensuring all humans have access to basic needs so they can attempt to self-acutalize. It's more than technically possible to meet all human needs, but not in the current socio-economic system, which mathematically ends up more like the game Monopoly- which anyone who has played that knows it doesn't end well for most people. There's a fair critique you might be interested in: "Peter Joseph - Critique of Jordan B. Peterson (vs Slavoj Zizek: "Happiness: Capitalism vs. Marxism")"

[@Alaric11]

Maybe that's what all the rich kids are doing in their woke protests.

[@coolioso808]

Who said 'everything' should be handed to them? I guess Peterson did, but I haven't heard many people suggest 'EVERYTHING' should be handed to humans for nothing. But let's look at what human needs are, shall we? You know Maslow, right? Not rocket science, but we know human needs food, clean air, water, shelter, love as a basic foundation for survival. Yet, what has become owned by many private corporations or bankers and sold back to the people, if they can pay, for profits? Food, water, shelter, clothing, and even love, in some ways! Our entire basics for life costs money. Yet we have no technical reason for any single human being go without their needs met. The system is structurally inefficient and unsustainable. Money and markets do a terrible job of distributing resources efficiently. 1/4 of all food produced is wasted! Just plain wasted, never touching a human mouth. All the blood, sweat and tears going into that food - GONE. For what? For nothing. You can't tell me humanity cannot create a better social system to distribute resources better. It can be localized, access-oriented, contribution-based, voluntary and widely effective for everybody to live well. One Small Town Contributionism is one of such examples of this starting to work better.

[@jeffsmith9420]

OK boomer.

[@masonkaniszewski2645]

@@jeffsmith9420 that better be for the other idiots replying to me, sir

[@valkrian0974]

I would love to see a Jordan Peterson and Thomas Sowell get together.

[@ryankrystowski4644]

I would pay a staggering amount of $ to be at that talk

[@lorjr6092]

Yes that would be epic

[@Valcgo]

I would easily pay $1000 to see that.

[@badassdahn654]

Where do I buy tickets! Oh boy I hope it happens

[@hensen5309]

Mmm yum I'd like to see that too. Lots of lube and no rubber

[@cleanwillie1307]

When he articulates Dostoevsky's theory that if all our needs are satisfied we will create problems he pretty much defines why we are where we are in the US today.

[@cornbrains]

What book was that in, Notes From The Underground, maybe? I remember reading Dostoevsky when he laid out that sentiment and I had to put the book down and revel in the genius of the observation.

[@eduardoescalera4045]

@@cornbrains yes it is! That book is one work of art

[@eduardoescalera4045]

@Diogo Castro I saw an interview with gothix and an older lady who was raised in Maoist China and some of the things she said sadly resembled what we are starting to see. I could be wrong though and I certainly hope I am.

[@justincavinder5504]

Absolutely, there’s no doubt in my mind that this is why we see many issues in our youth, young men, and populace in general. LACK OF PURPOSE, lack of struggle.

[@DJFLDJFL]

Do you happen to know the actual Dostoevsky quote? I don't seem to be able to find it. Thanks!

[@scottseabrook149]

I lost my mother to cancer at 26 and fell into a deep self destructive depression for around 18 months. You helped pull me from the belly of the whale Dr Peterson and I thank you from the bottom of my heart.

[@scottseabrook149]

P.S. I recently finished the Gulag Archipelago and was pleasantly surprised by your foreword. Solzhenitsyn also mentions a vilification of the police in Russia prior to the revolution which should be ringing alarm bells right now in the west.

[@chzbrgr123]

You must have misunderstood him, he's clearly a Nazi with nothing intelligent to say at all

[@Freempg]

@@chzbrgr123 Projecting much?

[@connilady57]

Thank God....

[@gloriousblobber9647]

@@chzbrgr123 Ah yes, the 4 levels of radicalization. Level 1. Jordan Peterson. :p

[@ernestogarcia726]

I came across this video a couple of days ago, and I have carefully watched it several times. I was born and raised in Cuba and lived there until I was 29 years old. It really moves me to see so many people (specially young ones) beautifying the ideas exposed by Marx and communism without a clue of what that has meant in society. Not only is Dr. Peterson’s analysis excellent, but for every explanation he provides, I could state a real-life example of what the communist ideas did to my home country. I always ask people to look at the history of countries that have pursued the communist ideas and observe what the outcomes where. Marx was wrong!

[@coolioso808]

What problems you attribute 'communism' to are problems of living in a monetary-market society, and the 'communism' was state capitalism, whereas USA is more United Corporations of America capitalism - just different flavours of oppression and exploitation within the same base system of monetary-market madness. I don't know if you consider yourself a free thinker or critical thinker and want to know the truth, but if you do the you are free to check out: "Peter Joseph - Critique of Jordan B. Peterson (vs Slavoj Zizek: "Happiness: Capitalism vs. Marxism")" Yes, even the great and powerful Peterson can be rightfully criticized when his has flaws and errors in his views. Peterson is from Canada and probably thinks Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is the biggest dictator, but he never criticizes the big private banks, the corporate rich who control much of the property, wealth and influence legislation in this world game of Monopoly. Somehow he misses the forest for the trees.

[@oleksii000]

So true, and it makes me terrified that there are people who still believe in that crap. Some people really need to smarten up.

[@coolioso808]

@@oleksii000 what's your understanding of monetary-market capitalism? Do you think it is sustainable, healthy and just?

[@oleksii000]

​@@coolioso808 no, I think that it has many flaws and is very far from perfect, but is way closer than any communist attempt in general. And any attemps to recreate that horror is no better than saying "oh well, the slavery/colonisation/monarchy(specifically authoritarian/tyranical systems) were also just misunderstood, why don't we give them another try instead???". Which is what I sadly notice from time to time. Communism is terrible in any means, and listening to those that had a decent/some-what decent life in the soviet union (or any other communist experiment) is no better than asking a relative (that is not even aware that their relative is evil) of a serial killer what they think about their relative. Instead, I'd prefer if people were actually listening to those who lived through the horror so that we would not repeat that.

[@coolioso808]

@@oleksii000 Okay, well here's the mind blower: The 'horrors' of the economic models you attributed to communism is under a monetary-market base system. Congrats on explaining why monetary-market economics is unsustainable, unjust and unhealthy. Historical 'attempts' at communism is a good word because if you knew the definition of communism it would be a state-less, class-less and money-less society and nothing like what was 'attempted' in Soviet Russia or China or Cuba, etc. Those were all within the same monetary-market system globally, just doing a form of state capitalism where the state controlled the means of production, instead of somewhere like the USA where the big corporations, working with the government (as has always been the case) control the majority of the means of production. You get slavery, colonisation, monarchy and authoritarianism because of the existence of money and the market which requires profit maximization, infinite growth and competitive self-interest. Those elements make all people slaves of different natures. A very small elite are super rich owners, yet in their own way are slaves to the monetary system because they fear losing power and control. Everybody else, 99% and more are in poverty or living paycheck to paycheck and playing a game that most of them cannot win, only suffering can increase in this near zero sum game of Monopoly. All for what? A fake human-created control scheme: Money. Do you know when money was invented? Thousands of years ago! By force, upon the human society at that time, by priest-kings and they used it as a means of enslavement. Technology changed and developed since then to create surplus and meet all human needs, technically speaking. But the system of money and markets remained the system of resource management. Do you see the problem there? It's like using a computer chip from the 1980s in a 2020s Smart Phone, it's going to be out-dated technology and not going to work well. We need system change. We can do that, if people recognize the root problem and start working on building a better system. Starting locally is the best place to start. One Small Town Contributionism-style and in a few year's time, communities can be living in abundance and prosperity, working less than 15 hours a week, happier, healthier and richer than ever before, yet money wouldn't be needed to maintain their 'wealth.' "Health is wealth" will be the new measuring stick.

[@saoirse5308]

When I was a kid I got caught in a rip tide, I was a teen and I knew what to do. You don't swim straight back to the beach, you are just fighting the rip, it wears you out and then carries you out to sea to drown. The thing to do is swim parallel until you are out of the rip, then swim to shore when the tide isn't pulling you out. But your family is on the beach, you can see them right there. Doing the thing I knew was right was so hard, fighting the urge to swim to them was much harder than I thought it would be. You don't "know" where the rip tides edge is, you just have to swim away from safety & the people you love and trust that the rip tide has an edge (they all do) Then you start to angle towards shore, your adrenalin has dumped, your limbs hurt and the beach still seems such a long way off. There was that moment, when my foot touched the sand, just brushed it, but I knew, I KNEW I had reach the shore. Sometimes listening to Jordan Peterson I am reminded of that moment my foot touched the sand.

[@wwrbhq7136]

I BELIEVE THAT YOU MEANT TO SAY... 'PERPENDICULAR' (AS OPPOSED TO PARALLEL).

[@NicholasA231]

Damn. That's... Nice comment. That's all I've got.

[@robertx1603]

@@wwrbhq7136 parallel to shore. I had the same riptide experience once.. was very happy I didn’t panic.

[@GrottoGroveGroves]

freedom, love that story.

[@ralphtroan]

Beautiful story. . .beautiful parable. . .thanks for sharing that. . .

[@williamivey7832]

“All ideas are probably wrong”. That is the most important lesson you could learn in life.

[@devolutioninc]

@@robertnobles8189 That you can boil potatoes to eat it. Yes, that's a good idea.

[@siquod]

@@robertnobles8189 I think he means: Every single idea has a high a priori probability of being wrong before it is evaluated.

[@voxfan7403]

@@robertnobles8189 Which is what " All ideas are PROBABLY wrong" means (emphasis on the qualifier added).

[@voxfan7403]

@@robertnobles8189 Which is what " All ideas are PROBABLY wrong" means (emphasis on the qualifier added).

[@capitalm417]

"all ideas are wrong" would just be postmodernism

[@balance.j3400]

I am Japanese and have been watching his videos since January. His acute analysis, broad perspectives and rich vocabulary deeply impress me. Thanks　to his videos, I came to understand the way of thinking of liberals.

[@Saber_Nico]

I'm actually moving out of Canada to live in Japan after the japanese government decides to reopen the border. I can't deal living with these liberals anymore. lol

[@gg_rider]

@@Saber_Nico FWIW, James Lindsay, ostensibly a part member of the Intellectual Darkweb along with JPB and Weinstein, is an actual Liberal fighting Left Woke-ness and neo-Marxism.

[@Saber_Nico]

@@gg_rider i dont give a crap who's fighting who. i want nothing to do with it.

[@cloudybeforerain7134]

@@Saber_Nico Good luck.

[@balance.j3400]

@@steven5054 You are knowledgeable. Keiji is a great scholar who also learned Zen Buddism, especially philosophy of nothingness. And Daisetsu Suzuki is the one who introduced Zen philosophy to the world. Thank you for mentioning a Japanese philosopher.

[@seriouslysarcasticstoic]

As a very creative person who grew up without structure, responsibility, or a reason to be other than satisfying myself I was constantly being creatively destructive in order to find the"adventure of a life time" . Very well said.

[@heidyalfonso6556]

Same for me. However, I desire very much to teach my daughter differently and I’m really struggling. It’s really difficult for me to stick to a schedule. Working on it - always an ongoing battle.

[@H3H3.podcast]

yeah peterson doesnt have enough structure though. what you need is more stucture. JOIN ME IN THE REVOLUTION. we will have marxo-structurism. we dont even need to do shit as long as its structured. if your interested go to hustlers university for a PHD(pimpin hoes degree)

[@jameseverett9037]

@@heidyalfonso6556 You can teach her about socialism by offering to pay her $10 to clean the bathroom. When she's done, tell her 9 of those $'s will be distributed to the neighbor kids so that we can all feel good about ourselves & each other.

[@InaneBlatherPodcast]

@@jameseverett9037 when do you teach her about socialism though

[@InaneBlatherPodcast]

@@jameseverett9037 oh, so in response to "when do you teach her about socialism," your answer is "just don't." Nice 😎

[@factcheck1776]

"Maybe those who laughed would do it that way." Damn, I've never seen a speaker burn a cluster of hecklers so thoroughly.

[@billyb4790]

and then they cheered at the "bloody revolution part" and we knew he was right.

[@LeossJ433]

he said you dont rise to a position of authority by exploiting people... doesnt that happen all the time??

[@factcheck1776]

@@LeossJ433 As he observed, some people do it that way, but the position becomes untenable without considerable oppressive force, as in North Korea. I suspect he meant true and legitimate authority, which is always built on a foundation of service, and results in people being appreciative of leadership.

[@chico.gaspar]

​ @LeossJ433 He didn't said that it doesn't happens. He said it isn't a stable form of sustained power and historically all the oppresive regimes result in a bloody end for the oppressors. That's not a intelligent form of control to growth.

[@gaussminigun7095]

@@LeossJ433 authority that isn't properly earned is tyranny

[@thehorizontries4759]

Dude he looked so profoundly disturbed when people cheered for “bloody violent revolution”

[@rc2thousand]

So was I, I guess...

[@barbarahawkins7864]

And I look that way too!!

[@chriswhite2151]

These punks always assume they will be the ones delivering the bloody violence, not receiving it.

[@JoyfulUniter]

@Lohkyn "Gender studies degree" lmao. I cannot believe that's actually a thing. Maybe people really are devolving as time goes on and technology replaces our natural capacities, the indians might have been right.

[@GeneralProfessor]

No better way to prove the inherent goodness of the proletariat than cheering in support of bloody murder. They want to ridicule the man and defend their ideology but in the end their actions only prove his points, and reveal covert malice underlying the marxist theory.

[@mkrgrrrr]

Finished 12 rules for life a few weeks ago. You sir, are changing my life. Your existance is sort of a blessing for this world right now. I love to se you healthy again. Kind regards from Brazil.

[@icedcoffee4182]

My great grandparents were “kulaks” shipped off to Siberia. Proud to be a second generation American 🇺🇸

[@Bee89301]

Western world leaned nothing from bloody criminal so called socialism and communism theory in the Soviet union, China, Cuba and many more...

[@krakrtreacysr907]

Did they survive it🙏🏼

[@DarkMark-cf1ec]

He said parents, so likely they survived. He Also said Siberia, yes alot of people died but some were able to create some survivable enviorments

[@grahamtrezise1114]

“Useful idiots”. You’ve got to love that term the Communists had for their Western fans.

[@listenherejack]

"Political Prostitutes" also had a nice ring to it.

[@fellipedasilva99]

If they called them idiots (of which I agree) why wouldn’t they call themselves idiots? And why the term “useful”?

[@listenherejack]

@@fellipedasilva99 a "useful idiot" is someone who is convinced to organise for something that is against their interest; i.e revolutionaries who would almost certainly rebel against the communists they brought to power

[@busking6292]

@@listenherejack ....and when the 'ueeful idiots' succeed in their 'revolution' they're the first to face the firing squad of the new regime for being troublemakers who have outlived their usefulness....but...but..we helped you get here..yes,thank you..BANG!

[@busking6292]

@@kimobrien. Trotsky ?? Stalin's purging of the generals ?? Once dictators gain power paranoia soon follows,ANY imagined threat to their power is extinguished,THEY plotted their rise to power using any tool available and now the 'tools' have to be disposed of in case,heaven forbid, a rival uses them so, fear is now the controlling factor,IOW,the people in Stalin's inner circle had to be very,VERY careful,a whisper,smile,glance at the wrong time or place could easily make you 'disappear'

[@owenchubb5449]

". . . well, the people who laugh might do it that way." Savage

[@jeanetteschulthe1andOnly]

That is because it is true...we have savages alright. it is the ignorant buffoons at the top.

[@matsv201]

Yea.. it works very well in the short run.. untill your use fullness run out.

[@slicedbacon2861]

@@matsv201 usefulness...as one word, it takes on a whole new meaning...!!

[@matsv201]

@@slicedbacon2861 i want to be judge only by a Pear of use full people

[@rasmusbjerrum3974]

@@jeanetteschulthe1andOnly ignorant buffons do not exist at the top of a hierarchy. Look up the pareto distribution. The upper echelons of power know exactly what they are doing

[@yeetmaestro575]

I’m not sure the folks who laughed realized how much of the quiet parts of their ideological thinking they said out loud there.

[@jaywilley955]

Of course they did. I suggest, that they have not the heart to admit it. They’re to busy trying to….. save the world. Which essentially means, enrich themselves.

[@gustavog.r.8960]

@@jaywilley955 this comment is epic.

[@alancham4]

Enrich themselves just like a commie.

[@SevScout]

@@jaywilley955 You meant, "Save THEIR world"... We aren't part of it, so we're just stealing space by existing.

[@SevScout]

The ovation the good professor got for his comeback to the jeering got the point across. That roast was damning.

[@thomasmcglynn8813]

Thanks!

[@andrewlamb3585]

Thank you so much, Dr. Peterson. The west needs you and people like you. The whole world needs people like you. We all hope you're continuing to do well!

[@baturaltok1922]

you are been sarcastic isn't it? I don't think west needs someone to attack communist manifesto.. it is dead already in west.

[@UmBungo]

@@baturaltok1922 are you serious? 😳 There are people literally protesting for it every other week, and universities are riddled with communists. Then there are the BLM leaders who are trained Marxists... buying million-dollar homes 😂

[@charlesjohnson9879]

@@baturaltok1922 Well, no. That's the problem. We have BLM and Antifa fomenting violent revolution here in the USA, and communists have successfully infiltrated and have effectively captured major institutions such as academia, the press, and even the Democratic Party.

[@jamesstuart3313]

@@baturaltok1922 i bet your hate watching

[@badutbadut2309]

LOL! You can see/watch them (communists) for all you care here in YT.

[@TimYong2]

"The king never has to fight the angry mob. He just has to convince the people holding the pitchforks that the people holding the torches want to take away their pitchforks. The angry mob will fight itself."

[@Fopenplop]

Luckily the Russian people had the good sense to kill their king.

[@Commander034]

@@Fopenplop The Tsar was removed from power before he was murdered by the communists. The communists overthrew the democratic government inbetween.

[@ParallaxView111]

It's more like: Understanding the Political Scenario of INDIA,CANADA,JAPAN,CHINA,USA, FRANCE etc - Amit Sengupta channel KZbin won't let me post links, but that's Yuri Bezmenov speaking.

[@ParallaxView111]

@@Fopenplop you should find an audio book of Machiavelli's "The Prince." The communist revolution really followed his advice to a T. Like kill the current rulers of the land you conquer, so they will never come back power. The more divers and conflicted a group of people are, the easier they are top conquer. Another Machiavelli tip.

[@Fopenplop]

@@Mr196710 Yeah, I know he didn't. The revolution was a good thing. I'm making fun of the postmodernized goons who can't tell the difference between a brutal monarchy and the popular uprising that overthrew it, including Dr Peterson.

[@KvapuJanjalia]

You know you are up against The Pure Evil when they cheer for bloody revolution.

[@sadwingsraging3044]

CHEKA

[@bandit6272]

Yup, those people will probably end up on a list somewhere, and will probably deserve it. Cheering bloody revolution....disgusting

[@FormerGovernmentHuman]

We will all become pure evil in response.

[@jeremytitus9519]

The wordless expression Peterson gives in reply. Encompassing tragedy, disappointment, and perhaps a shade of contempt.

[@Zoco.]

Clueless automatons programmed by online blogs

[@juanmaldonado4193]

It's bone chilling to see a few people in the crowd actually applauding the insane parts of the manifesto

[@ChrisBri77on]

Remember that most people take in information the first time and treat it as truth even when validly opposed or critiqued. Marxism is extremely surface-level thinking and has no regard for how human beings ACTUALLY behave and makes countless presuppositions regarding the nature of Meaning and Purpose. Fundamentally it’s a brutal regime founded on the notion that you and everyone you love is a tiny inconsequential cog in the machine of bureaucracy, with a nice red ribbon on top that seems to entice Lesbian Poetry Studied majors into revolting against the idea of being paid somewhat honestly for typing on a keyboard 5 days a week.

[@slimynaut]

Its a cult.

[@coolioso808]

What insane parts are you talking about? The manifesto is vague, and doesn't give answers to everything, Peterson makes assumptions that are wild, instead of just leaving the vagueness of the manifesto to be vague. I'm not defending Marx, but I'm aware of what he wrote and meaning behind it. What do you think is insane in the manifesto that the crowed cheered?

[@KLT47B]

People who cheer for Marx and communism have not experienced it. You cannot know good if you don't experience evil. Coming from a former communist country I am flabbergasted by westerners who say that communism was actually not properly implemented. You cannot properly implement something that assumes the result of it is going to be utopia without any empirical evidence to support it. All the empirical evidence we have available in our history shows that anything which remotely resembles communism is doomed to become hell. And my comment is partly a response to the thing who commented right above too. Human beings are flawed, it is impossible to just force human beings to thrive to an outcome impossible to achieve. It is hell. It is torture. Coming from Romania, where all the dictator wanted was for people to be prosperous, to be strong, to be powerful to be connected in eternal brotherhood. Yeah, at the surface everything is perfect, but as you dig deep in the system you find the political prisoners, the people who rat their own children, parents or brothers, the poverty, the suffering.... Everything masked under a courtin of artifical pink. Romania, the country I was born in, suffers from GENRATIONAL TRAUMA because of Marxism. There is not one single empirical evidence which confirms Marxist theory to be applicable in real life. There are tens and tens of cases which empirically destroys Marxism. Ironically, Marxism has destroyed all the nations where that empirical evidence is coming from.

[@blunderhappy8962]

There's nothing particularly "insane" about the manifesto. You may disagree with it, but to call it "insane" is a bit dramatic. Have you even read it?

[@djram-z3222]

"It's absolutely foolish to make the presumption that you can identify someone's moral worth with their economic standing."

[@Newton14alan]

Is that supposed to be brilliant? It's also "absolutely foolish to make the presumption that you can" read someone's mind. So what? It doesn't any more disprove that someone's (let's say, "high") economic standing is the result of being a greedy bastard who could care less about Those people whom he tramples on to gain his massive wealth. If all Peterson is trying to do is play the devil's advocate, then fine. But, if his conjectures are meant to seriously justify Capitalism's stranglehold on The American Worker, he isn't making an enormous amount of headway.

[@AbaddonTheDestroyer]

@@Newton14alan You dont hold a candle to this man, hence shut your trap.

[@nforne]

@@Newton14alan Peterson's comment works both ways. The rich have neither moral guilt nor moral virtue by dint of their wealth alone.

[@Newton14alan]

@@AbaddonTheDestroyer --- I own a lot of candles, and can see him just fine. BTW, have you attended any anger management programs lately...or do you just "rage" on everyone you disagree with?

[@Newton14alan]

@@nforne --- Exactly...and that was my point...although I think that you voiced the thought more concisely (and a little less snide) than I did. Thanks.

[@mamachicken4602]

"You either know nothing about how a business actually works or you refuse to know how a business works"~17.00 As a business owner, I must say that is a brilliantly true statement

[@ExistentialWill]

But capitalist business doesn't work

[@Mac-hr9rg]

@@ExistentialWill apparently neither does birth control.

[@InfiniteBeak]

@@martinzarathustra8604 implying that great wealth is preferable to ethical treatment

[@vanguard6937]

@@ExistentialWill which is funny, because everything that has allowed you to say that is due to capitalist businesses

[@truxton1000]

@@ExistentialWill Capitalism has created the best countries in the world, and communism has created some of the absolute worst. Go figure.

[@iamthem.a.n.middleagednerd1053]

I've owned my own business for 20 years. Jordan is absolutely correct. You have to treat your employees well so they'll treat you well. Management and Labor is a symbiotic relationship.

[@matthewdunham5235]

Small business yes. Once you have enough money to hire people smarter than you to run your business, or if you own a monopoly on an industry, then there’s no difference from those robber barons to the feudal lords he was talking about. Third generational wealth is a major component of what’s destroying the economy in the US. Grandfathers smart enough to open a business giving their obscene wealth to grandkids who don’t understand how they got it but have too much to ever lose it.

[@goblin6587]

Amazon workers peeing in bottles: A yes, this is symbiotic

[@iamthem.a.n.middleagednerd1053]

@@goblin6587 go start your own business if it's so fucking easy

[@iamthem.a.n.middleagednerd1053]

@@traveler3137 you took the words out of my mouth, sir. My sister works for Amazon and she says the high turnover is costing the company a ton of money. They're going to have pay much better than $15/hour to get people to power walk marathons everyday for 13 hours.

[@ptroinks]

@@iamthem.a.n.middleagednerd1053 He/she never said it was easy to start a business. Do you actually mean that it's so difficult for Amazon to stay in business that they have to make their employees pee in bottles to make ends meet?

[@gilcostello3316]

When I joined a theater group in 1970 guided by Communist principles, it was my first introduction to Communism. And to get with the program, I began reading everything I could get my hands on, mostly what the director and co-director recommended, including Marx’s' 3-volume Das Kapital, and a 3-volume set of Lenin’s work. But I somehow missed reading the basic manual of that movement, its ontological ground, the Communist Manifesto, and when I read it, the phrase “dictatorship of the proletariat" was like being stabbed in the eye and losing the entire vision of Communism having any value at all (it made no sense at all that millions of proletariat could mutually dictate, an absurdity, making it clear it would be one person or a group of persons dictating). And in that disillusionment, a friend recommended I read Albert Camus and Hannah Arendt, which I devoured immediately, and those two freedom lovers freed me from being a willing participant in bringing about yet another tyranny in history.

[@Disgruntled_Canadian]

Thank you for reading and using logic, u like some of the morons in these comments. Some of the comments in here are truly scary. You can tell anyone promoting Marx is clearly a university student being fed propaganda, who think they’re smart. Well guess what, everyone has a degree in 2023 you’re not special.

[@SUPERTRANS2024-iy3qh]

How did you read a set of Lenin's work and yet somehow fail to grasp the concept of revolutionary vanguardism? Did you skim read his works or were you asleep? Also why is it that you were struck by the term "dictatorship of the proletariat" in the communist manifesto when it mentions this phrase a sum total of zero times whereas Lenin expounds upon it extensively in The State and Revolution, one of the seminal works of Lenin which any set of his works would be incomplete without? I think that you're an absolute charlatan and a bald-faced liar.

[@LawSavant]

Your depiction of the notion of the dictatorship of the proletariat is askew. This phrase does not denote a customary autocratic dictatorship, but rather, within the realm of Marxist theory, it signifies the transitory collective governance of the laboring class, wherein capitalist structures are dismantled and a newfangled socialist order is established.

[@gilcostello3316]

@@LawSavant Right or wrong, I simply discerned that behind every proffered "transitory collective governance" is a rabid mind seeking absolute power (the word “dictatorship” was the Freudian slip, the reveal), that rhetorical phrase just a stepping-stone-notion for a rabid mind. It could be another Lenin, Stalin, Castro, Mao, Hitler, Mussolini or anyone else in yet another socialist cult of personality. The first time I saw AOC talking the “green new deal” and calling for that first transitioning step of tearing down capitalism (in the making right now), I saw the word “deplorables” quietly drooling from her lips, and Evita dancing around in her head.

[@Bright-Space-Frontier]

​@@LawSavantBut just as notion of "bloody violence" was cheered at, are we supposed to forget that that is the underlying method of designating the newfound leadership of the proliteriate? I'm confused, the energy of radicals are the voice that is used to portray any sort of radical movement, at least to the general consensus of the cliche "media". Are you saying it's non violent in anyway? I just watched people cheer for bloody violence lmao

[@k20z3keith7]

I read The Gulag Archipelago because of Jordan. If that book doesn't scare the shit out of you then something is wrong.

[@sebji9581]

It's very sad that you believe in this fiction.

[@malte4984]

@@sebji9581 wait what

[@jayhutzler6706]

@@sebji9581 The gulag Archipelago isn't fiction like 1984. It's a series of stories and political essays from the perspective of someone who survived the gulags

[@sebji9581]

@@jayhutzler6706 Sure, but his claims are based on rumours told by the prisoners and his own fantasy. There are no sources to prove this.

[@historyandhorseplaying7374]

@@sebji9581 Ok Putin, anything you say comrade

[@kellynewens2733]

As a teacher, the speechless frustration Peterson feels when he's actively trying to explain why something is bad and some people are cheering for it is SOOOOOO relatable...

[@johnshafer7214]

I agree. Many who embraced communism don't understand is it was flawed and they jailed people who disagreed with the government. I know that in theory, everyone is equal with communism but some people thought they were more equal than others. Strange times we are living in.

[@adamsmith4813]

Have you seen the full video with Zizek's response? I strongly recommend it, a serious debate between 2 intellectual heavyweights

[@SandOnToast2598]

​@@adamsmith4813can you point me to it?

[@adamsmith4813]

@@SandOnToast2598 I think it was called capitalism, Marxism and happiness. If you put in Zizek vs Peterston with Sam Harris chairing you should find it. Lengthy but gripping all the way. 2 well composed, calm and thoughtful academics showing how to construct a debate

[@jameseverett9037]

@@adamsmith4813 Zizek a "heavyweight"? Aw.....I see what you did there.

[@TAROTDESTROYER]

“If you don't have a strategy, you're part of someone else's strategy. ” ― Alvin Toffler

[@kobked-x]

Only evil people have Plans, good people don't need plans as they are good and never need an exit strategy ~ Lee Camp

[@datukaruma1563]

@@kobked-x Strategy = exit strategy, wtf are you talking about?

[@doloreschansey9556]

To an extent, but even people with plans of their own can still be used by others.

[@porothashawarma2339]

@@doloreschansey9556 this . You are intelligent my friend .

[@bigjoe8420]

@@doloreschansey9556 sometimes you have to knowingly let yourself be used to achieve something more important.

[@balaton1]

Dr. Peterson, I cannot thank you enough for challenging me to think. I'm not a "political person" in any way. I just believe that "the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness could not overcome it." You help me be a more kind man. Thank you.

[@chobin7982]

9:14 is wrong. Many people behave like that. Only christians deny this

[@coolioso808]

You are challenged to 'think about your thinking' as even Peterson referenced, about Carl Jung, by seeing if you can critically think, viewing different view points and coming to your own conclusions. Here's an example: Watch "Peter Joseph - Critique of Jordan B. Peterson (vs Slavoj Zizek: "Happiness: Capitalism vs. Marxism")" and see how you feel and think at the end. Any questions? Disagreements? Agreements? Change of mind?

[@kylewright7556]

I love how you can tell the people who don't understand what he is saying because they cheer at things that are stupid and he gives them the look of disappointment.

[@amyness3452]

@@cryptoprofit278 Fake account everyone.

[@baigandinel7956]

Oh some of them understand. You give them too much credit.

[@kylewright7556]

@@amyness3452 I'd like to think that he just is super into investing lmao

[@rclaws3230]

@historypoliticsbb So counter his points, don't cry "misrepresentation" and expect anyone to care.

[@booperdee2]

@historypoliticsbb if those 8 pages are based on false premises then theres no use to reading the next 1000. if your entire ideology is based on the grass being red, if i disprove grass is red then theres nothing else to talk about.

[@robertthompson9455]

An old Soviet saying: We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us...

[@BrainSoap]

This is an example of Schrodinger's Communist - simultaneously lazy and fat off the government, while also ruthlessly exploited by an uncaring totalitarian system. If a worker didn't work hard enough, they could be fired. If they didn't find a new job, they'd be arrested and sent to a labor camp. The saying should be more like "We're required to work whenever and however they want us to, and they pretend to have goods and services for us to buy."

[@mytech6779]

@@BrainSoap Who are you arguing against? The saying came from within the USSR.

[@historyandhorseplaying7374]

In America, you find the party. In Rasha, Party find YOU.

[@ElenaKomleva]

And in the west they pay you, but squeeze all the time and energy out of you, so you don't get the time OR energy to spend all this money.

[@historyandhorseplaying7374]

@@ElenaKomleva Speak for yourself! I take 2 vacations a year, a nice house, and I spend a lot of my money and energy on my children.

[@TheGloves13]

“Well the people that laugh may do it that way”. One of the great come backs

[@SCCyntax]

And then they proved him right by cheering on a bloody revolution.

[@juliesteimle3867]

@@jordanbpeterson5154 Bot or scam.

[@npaulp]

Allow me to comment on one of Jordan Peterson's point that the Communist Manifesto assumes that the proleteriat is good and the bourgeoise is bad. Karl Marx did not view the proletariat (working class) as inherently "good" or the bourgeoisie (capitalist class) as inherently "bad." Instead, Marx's critique of capitalism was based on the idea that the class structure of capitalist society created conditions that led to the exploitation of the working class by the capitalist class. Marx argued that the bourgeoisie, as the owners of the means of production, controlled the economic and political systems, and used their power to exploit the working class for their own profit. He believed that this exploitation was built into the structure of capitalist society and that it was impossible to eliminate without fundamentally changing the system itself.

[@AANasseh]

“The only pain greater than the pain of inequality is the pain of forced equality” -Red Skull

[@mr555harv]

Mao Zedong should have learned this dictum.

[@harvestblades]

I need this on a t shirt!

[@rustyshackleford3487]

Hail lobster.

[@nativeamerican7424]

@@rustyshackleford3487 learn how the aggressors took over your mind communist subversion communist rules of revolution antifa hand book blm brain washing Confucius institutes ❗❗❗

[@balauruldeaur1271]

like we all "have" to be vaccinated, so we have all "equal" treatment? Maybe we are all forced by the "scientists" to accept their only method of health care.

[@LeVicMoi]

9:30 "well the people that laugh might do it that way" is the most underrated comment, my word. the depth in that one statement is scary true about the nature of man, especially a broken man.

[@wireycoyote3544]

*infinite mic drop*

[@mikec555555]

I think the laugh had nothing to do with what was said. Probably something in the audience was going on that we couldn't see.

[@sitarnut]

It's all in the Bible...even the way things are going for mankind is pure prophecy. It's a good read.

[@ManoverSuperman]

@@sitarnut Amos was a Communist. Change my mind.

[@diogofs25]

It is incredibly scary. People that laugh at the pursuit of truth, seeking power, masked behind a flawed moral agenda and worst of all, influencing more and more ingenuous people around them.

[@tiredoftheliesalready]

Peterson: Stops to think Identity Politicians: "He has nothing to say if there's no sound bite" Peterson: Proceeds to say more meaningful words in half a minute than they say in lifelong careers

[@flamingo9022]

he clearly hasnt read marx closely. hes become a caricature of himself.

[@HamhockandHemorrhoids]

@@flamingo9022 he was underprepared for this portion. Zizek was loaded well, but JP should have read kapitol. I hate Marxism, but it is a lot more than just a pamphlet

[@promalevendetta5397]

Peterson Cultists are needy.

[@lonniewilkerson5137]

@@flamingo9022 marxism is evil whitewashed balel.

[@66338nt]

Without a written speech, Obummer says “Uh, um” so many times you want to fall asleep.

[@robroy6158]

I read a lot of Marx back in the day. He assumed that the world’s entire industrial base was like some kind of natural resource to be harvested by others. This is one of communism’s fatal flaws.

[@BeastBallerBaby]

“Almost all ideas are wrong.” -JP These quotes just get better and better.

[@ACloudWithoutAir]

A lot of them are. Most of them have been wrong. Particularly in history. It's a lot like hypotheses in science. We test out ideas over and over until we get onto something that works.

[@im9550]

@@ACloudWithoutAir indeed, I took a class in symbolic logic and we learned about truth tables. For a statement to be true every element of the logic has to be true and there can be absolutely no contradictions. One mistake is all it takes to invalidate a statement.

[@Brandonthesnifferofall]

The truth is that most ideas are wrong, it takes all kinds and not all are capable of leading groups of people. It does seem clear historically that marxism/communism is the worst idea. The ussr and China prove it. Look at modern China, do you want to live there? Forced “retraining camps”, soldiers sleeping in the beds of men at the camps to make sure they’re following party lines? Forced organ harvesting? All while the left ignores it, why would we as a country do business with anyone putting people in labor camps/organ harvesting? Let alone holding ppe and drugs from us in an emergency. But Biden is apart of the generation that has caused all of this, the 1993 crime bill (mandatory minimums), farming out the United States middle class and sending all their tooling to China for cheaper labor. Look at flint Michigan in the 80’s, then look at its current state. We’re in this position because politicians care more about lining their own pockets then they care about the American people of what we stand for. We need mandatory minimums, at least to squash some of the corruption. Wake up America, your rights are at stake 🇺🇸

[@chewacan]

@@im9550 So some arguments are more valid than others? I mean which argument is better if two or more arguments are invalid? Perhaps the most advantageous for your purposes.

[@chewacan]

@Lucas Brito The old rock and the hard place. Peterson said life was naturally harsh and we are built for trouble. What's cool is life has never been better for most people in terms of leisure and convenience. Yet people bitch a lot.

[@claudialsmith2996]

A neighbor was a plumber before the freeze in Texas. Now he has a whole fleet of trucks and plumbers. Business grows. Free markets and a right to work. Working families. Family friendly. Thank you. Common sense.

[@Muck006]

Sorry to disagree ... SLIGHTLY ... because EVERY IDEOLOGY has its extremist incarnation and the current situation has two examples: - Amazon is killing off competition from small shops because they do not have the cost of running stores ... but our cities NEED the stores or else they will become wastelands of "boring nothingness". The pandemic just made it more extreme. - "Twitter, FB, YT, Google are private companies and can do what they want" is an expression of radical capitalism ... and one of the reasons why PROPAGANDA is one-sided ... because the quasi-MONOPOLIES are not recognised as such. Capitalism has its flaws ... just like every other ideology and needs to be held in check through common sense. It isnt "fair" that giant corporations can "do shifty stuff" to evade taxes while small companies dont have the spare cash to make hiring tax lawyers/manager do fancy investments to evade it all. Regulations should ALWAYS favor small businesses, since these are the real tax payers!

[@claudialsmith2996]

Thank you.

[@MolecularArts]

​@@Muck006 no, Amazon isn't killing anything. It's consumers, by choosing where to spend their money. No-one is putting a gun to your head, telling you that you must shop at Amazon. Do cities need stores? Sure. But they apparently don't need the ones that are going out of business.

[@flumpyhumpy]

@@MolecularArts That's disingenuous. Naturally, given the option of buying the same item at a higher or lower price, people will opt for the cheaper.

[@MolecularArts]

I'm not sure why you think I'm being disingenuous, @@flumpyhumpy, because I agree with everything you wrote. Yes, consumers do in general buy cheaper when the opportunity arrises. That is their _choice_. Would you force them to buy more expensive?

[@MikeyFFA500]

"Once you divide people into groups and pit them against one another, it's very easy to assume that all the evil in the world can be attributed to one group and all the good to the other." -JP

[@mdaniels6311]

Capitalism doesn't demand that all of us are in a competition?

[@MikeyFFA500]

@@mdaniels6311 Nope

[@blobboflava]

Great quote and on the spot about polarisation of society nowadays.

[@CWHolleman]

@@mdaniels6311 Individual competition based on personal merit vs class/societal group based competition based solely on occupation of said group are entirely different. Keep thinking, you might get there one day.

[@johnorson6907]

@@mdaniels6311 would you really like to live in a world without competition? Competition is the reason for every advancement that has protected us from the brutality of nature. The real world is no place for idealism

[@joliettraveler]

I read the Communist Manifesto as a 20 year old college student. I am now 82. I thought it was the biggest bunch of bull sh**t ever. It demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of human nature.

[@edheldude]

Yes, it's a war against reality and prideful willingness to destroy everything that works. Satanic.

[@jonathanpersson1205]

Listening to those goons trying to disrupt his message by fake laughter reminded me of this “We live in times where smart people are silenced so that stupid people wont be offended”

[@83169]

Comments like this remind me of a quote by Leo Aikman: "You can tell more about a man from what he says about others, than from what others say about him."

[@2FadeMusic]

@dfasht I know right poor jordan peterson is soooooo censored with his 3 million subscribers. Conservatives are soooo oppressed ;( ;( ;(

[@deepfriedsammich]

@@2FadeMusic If they are not, it is not from lack of trying.

[@2FadeMusic]

@@deepfriedsammich yeah i think conservatives should be censored since conservative ideology is nothing but pure brain rot fueled by hatred and fear

[@2FadeMusic]

@@thomasatkinson9452 ok

[@danoxtreme007]

I was devastated by alcoholism and depression. Whit no job nor any money. Hurting my family and destroying myself. Thanks to you Dr. Peterson I run my own company now, I pay my bills and help my family, there is a hell of a road in front of me, but guided with your wisdom I feel anything is possible. God Bless you.

[@hb2495]

how much do you pay your workers

[@joe92]

@@hb2495 Irrelevant, you dweeb

[@Spiritof_76]

@@joe92 Not in the context of THIS video. Also, it was witty anyhow.

[@bicyclist2]

How did you do that?

[@zorezakbar9892]

That's fucking amazing man great to hear you were able to overcome your struggles

[@nikhilmore2082]

"People that lugh might do it that way." This single statement proves that J.B. Peterson can be cruel, but he choose to be nice.

[@bigcountry5520]

Having the capability to be cruel, but choosing not to, is virtuous in the truest sense of the definition.

[@WinkLinkletter]

Being as polite and sincere as you can be with an insult or threat gives it the most weight and sting. We were taught that in a business correspondence course, if I recall correctly.

[@lorencstefa3424]

God bless You Sir Peterson🙏

[@calebdoner]

"Well the people who laugh might do it that way..." Perfect comeback!

[@FinneganBub]

Jordan you are a Super Hero not a Super Villain!!! (The Left has it wrong!) Glad you are back! The world needs you more than ever!!

[@joesmith701]

Hail Lobster

[@KanyeRaeJepsen]

@daredevillive what do you mean who is "them?" They are the Ta Nehisi Coateses of the world and the woke morons who (literally and figuratively) paint Jordan Peterson as a villain in comics, and believe his rhetoric is villain esque in real life.

[@Ashigeru47]

Hail Lobster! Set your life in order and pet a cat.

[@wrongway1100]

@@joesmith701 Hail Lobster! That's my new battle cry.

[@918Mitchell]

Authoritarians and their NPC followers are the "them" that hate Jordan Peterson and anyone who loves inalienable rights.

[@lanahere3209]

Coming from ex Soviet Union I agree with everything he said! Absolutely brilliant thinker!

[@Cabbage_math]

Because you have human decency

[@pyotrbagration2438]

You know Zizek destroyed him during the debate do you? Poor JP went into a coma afterwards.

[@lanahere3209]

@@pyotrbagration2438 It’s a shame! People should be worn about the dangers of communism. It is very human on the surface but leads to totalitarian oppression of people . The rich and powerful will rule . If you think capitalism is unfair try living in China.

[@peperuiz9264]

@@pyotrbagration2438 you are pathetic. Zizek struggles to put two thoughts together in his own language, let alone English. Makes as much sense as the dude living under the bridge near my house, and drinks as much as him.

[@happydog4862]

@@pyotrbagration2438 stinks.

[@wendyrockwell5906]

I would be very interested to hear Dr. Peterson's comments on Henry George's Progress and Poverty written in 1879.

[@sanskarvyas9888]

What a genius. It's truly a privilege to listen to this man for free. The way he articulates his thoughts, organizes them and thinks. Astonishing and inspirational.

[@rexcowan9209]

And Cambridge University canceled his visiting fellowship because of political correct mobs.

[@fp5126]

Sorry. This moment in Peterson's debate with Zizek is really the lowest he ever got in public. He makes good points when he is on his own turf. I appreciate it, and I even more enjoy it when brainless activists fail to frame him as whatever right-wing monster they think he is. But here he only showed off his hubris, possibly motivated by the attacks against him from certain neo-marxist. It begins with him not acknowledging what kind of text this is. Then not knowing what Marx is about. Or thinking marxism is relying on the communist manifesto as a philisophical/political blueprint. Ok, I guess you could assume the last point of a 19th century factory worker, but this is not the level of the debate we would expect from these two people. Really, any student of political science or philosophy approaching this text this way would get kicked out of the class, and rightly so. I prefer Peterson when he talks about subjects he knows something about.

[@bustacap3791]

@@fp5126 LMAO so... you are saying you know nothing about Jordan Peterson? IMO you only think it is "Hubris" because you are drinking the kool-aid.

[@aldarizzo4801]

he's mind blowing and a great family man at that, God Bless him and his family always!

[@bustacap3791]

@@jeb1691 you are a blind ideologue you know how I know? HE NEVER SINGLED ANYONE OUT THAT IS A LIE PROPAGATED BY FANATICS LIKE YOU.

[@rubaiyatmehedi9337]

9:20 "Well the people that laugh might do it that way" 10/10 Comeback

[@Sheikah_Architect]

Well said after the co-founder of BLM was caught buying mansions.

[@NFT2]

There were a handful of meatsticks in the audience and it was funny to see Dr. Peterson clap back a bit. I was there and I found some of the "socialists" (all of them in the cheap seats) quite rude.

[@gunnar6674]

Same people who couldn't contain their glee when Peterson mentioned violent revolution. Those people want all of us dead or in chains, and they're not too subtle about it.

[@Undomaranel]

@@NFT2 Always sad when the naysayers ruin it for everyone. If you disagree and you're going to attend anyway at least listen so you know what you're opposing. Being a jerkwad just makes you a jerkwad and your cause/opinions as jerkwadish.

[@rclaws3230]

@@martinzarathustra8604 Ooooh, ad hominen nonsense. Come back with specifics.

[@gayathrisudarshan9695]

have you noticed how Jordan rarely sees his audience. when he speaks it seems like he is actually analysing the words coming out of his mouth which further makes him come with the next set of sentences and I sometime think he's just talking to himself about all the things he's read and known with brilliant eloquence.

[@DEMillerEarl]

He has described the process before I think he said it was about using all the knowledge he has, but he's still trying to figure stuff out actively with the audience in the moment.

[@pamelamohn5931]

An extremely thoughtful speaker.

[@goodolearkygal5746]

Hes trying to put his thoughts into words, I believe. To make sure he explains it well for others to understand. I know people that speak like this when trying to get a point across because if they don't they accidentally talk over peoples heads and it makes them angry

[@TacitSwine750]

@Praxis Of Logos At what point did OP claim that he conducted himself in such a manner at any other point? Based on the comment, they were just speaking on THIS discussion.

[@83169]

The two deranged death cults that illegitimately dominate the U S , foisted onto the American public a bungling real-estate grifter and game-show host versus Nixon in a pants suit. And yet, you have the nerve to say something like that in public.

[@ObsidianCrocodile]

Listening to him reminds me of the intelligence and logic of my dad. He makes so much sense, if the world operated on his ethos there would be less controversy and war

[@FrankLutz2]

That long pause of his when the psychopaths applauded for ‘blood revolution’.... priceless. My paused thinking would’ve been to ask the the auditorium staff to turn the audience lights for the rest of lecture. I’d want to see exactly who applauds ‘bloody revolution’.

[@nagsterthegangster]

I think they were applauding in confirmation that they agreed with his point of view. Not that spilling their neighbors blood is the solution.

[@FrankLutz2]

@@nagsterthegangster Perhaps. Although, I doubt it. It sounds like a split crowd. If I had to guess, judging by the levels and points at which applause occurs, I’d say 75% reasonable center Left, center, center right folks. 25% hopeless wannabe SJWs / wannabe Marxists. At least no one used an air horn.

[@nagsterthegangster]

@@FrankLutz2 Yeah after watching the rest of the video I totally understand where that narrative comes from now. The timing of laughter or applause did seem almost malicious to his points. I kinda change my viewpoint after seeing more but still hope for the best in people... But it would be naive for me to believe otherwise from the actions of the crowd. Totally agree my friend!

[@JasonManners]

@@nagsterthegangster that is what we would like to believe but I don't think so. I saw the guy sitting on the stage pumping them up. I want to say this video is part of a debate and I would imagine the guy sitting down believes in communism.

[@nagsterthegangster]

@@JasonManners See, thats the problem. I don't "believe in" anything no mo. Shits fucked and I'm good with that. The bar is low and I'm not looking for much.... Which is jading when the low-ass-bar isn't even being met.... What I think we need is LESS faith in systems and more REAL accountability for REAL actions... Not some bullshit you said online, shit you did that is actually indicative of character... Cancel culture is this idea taken too far.

[@EdwardHiller]

"When you're young you root for the heroes , when you get old you understand the villains". This Red Skull guy makes more and more sense the older I get.

[@magnusm4]

How are you to understand a megalomaniac nazi or Dr Robotnik whose entire character since his inception has been nothing but pollution, destruction and dictatorship for his own ego?

[@matthewdavis3421]

@@magnusm4, gonna have to declare that to be a whoosh.

[@FarSeeker8]

Understanding the villains does not mean agreeing with them. Just ask Mr. Incredible. ;)

[@LuciferianStrings]

you do know the red skull is a nazi right?

[@FarSeeker8]

​@@LuciferianStrings The Red Skull is a character In A Series of Comic Books.

[@KurNorock]

"Well, the people who laugh might do it that way." That was absolutely brutal.

[@KurNorock]

@@deLappMedia they are exploiting people to "make it fair"? What are you talking about?

[@chobin7982]

Im sorry but ur white mentor is wrong. Most people behave like that. Explain jails and inmates if humans are so good.

[@luigimrlgaming9484]

@@chobin7982 I’m sorry but for some reason Race has to be brought into this? What do you gain from this?

[@stespin]

@@luigimrlgaming9484 It's the last resort. They don't explain how or why someone is wrong, they just know it, and demand that you not only accept it, but also admit it. They throw in a random, generic notion that usually has nothing to do with the premise and without factual backup, and seal it with allusions to racism, because that's the passpartout, the definitive key that grants them total victory in every debate. At least in their heads. How racist of you to assume they had something to gain from this.

[@ChimpingBulldog]

​@@chobin7982 why do you bring race into this? Are you resentful of Peterson? Your comments suggest so.

[@Jackjohnjay]

He looked ready to cry when they clapped at 'bloody revolution'. He saw and felt the reality of that evil. I wish he would have directly addressed the millions dead because of that but I suspect he didn't want to cry. I get it, Jordan. I saw that evil, too. It was sad and scary but they have not triumphed.

[@usdepartmentofthetreasury489]

They will never triumph. God will deliver justice sooner rather than later. Communism and socialism are the worst thing that has ever existed

[@usdepartmentofthetreasury489]

I’m also a communist survivor (from Venezuela)

[@boltjet1352]

Sometimes it's better to let them expose themselves and just let it sit for a minute

[@tyronebiggums5547]

​@boltjet1352 facts. "Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake"

[@50brownbear]

@@usdepartmentofthetreasury489 considering venezuala isn't run by communists, i think you're either lying entirely or misinformed about your own country

[@itneeds2bsaid528]

Those cheers for blood around the 13 minute mark tell you everything you need to know about what is being shoved in the heads of children at Universities across our country.

[@NB-yu4lj]

And those same people want to disarm you.

[@rhodebeatriz]

so sad yet so true...

[@historyandhorseplaying7374]

I hope that isn’t in the US?

[@historyandhorseplaying7374]

@@postdeliberately5641 Yikes. Well that explains the cheers for “revolution”. Doubt you would get much of that in the US, even in the more Leftist areas.

[@historyandhorseplaying7374]

@@postdeliberately5641 The 1700s were a very long time ago. No one alive today was alive then, and I think it’s foolish to connect the actions of people who died hundreds of years before people living today were even born. I’m speaking about reality- in the US, you’re going to have a hard time finding people who applaud for bloody revolution, that’s just not something that is socially acceptable in the US. I’ve been around a long time, lived all over the country and the world, and am simply stating my observations. Also, don’t confuse demonstrations/civil disobedience with bloody revolution, which is violent, felonious behavior.

[@Valcgo]

I can't thank you enough Dr. Peterson. I truly believe you saved my life many years ago and I just want to say Thank You Sir.

[@zesvo]

Dr. Peterson

[@lootbird]

You saved your own life by looking for answers. You were willing to try and that will is what saved you. Not Peterson. You could have found Chopra or Oprah it wouldn’t have mattered. You wanted to survive. Peterson is just another man selling something. And it’s tainted with lies and spiritual darkness. Beware.

[@solaveritas2]

@@lootbird All evidence speaks against your narrative, but then you don't want to know the truth, do you?

[@lootbird]

@@solaveritas2 weak

[@zesvo]

@@solaveritas2 He got "The Truth" from doprah.

[@roguegen5536]

I think KZbin did a better job teaching me to think critically than 4 years in University.

[@annbrown3037]

😅 ditto ! And what a paradox eh ?! I'll bet those little trolls frantically adjusting censoring algorithms as fast as they can are tearing their hair out in frustration.

[@roguegen5536]

@@annbrown3037 lol oh you know they are.

[@roguegen5536]

@@martinzarathustra8604 what is the strawman he is attacking then? I am unable to see it. But you claim to be a master of critical thinking so as a master of critical thinking what is he wrong about?

[@ExistentialWill]

@@roguegen5536 Way to out yourself as indoctrinated.

[@roguegen5536]

@@ExistentialWill it is a genuine question, what is he wrong about?

[@NewPraetorianBlues]

"It also produces wealth - AND ALL THE OTHER SYSTEMS DON'T. THEY JUST PRODUCE INEQUALITY!" He is, without a shadow of doubt, the single most articulate and precise thinkers and speakers of the generation. Nobody proves a point like JBP.

[@NewPraetorianBlues]

@@novinceinhosic3531 So you're telling me that you mined the Quartzite, Hafnium, Copper, Gold, etc., performed all necessary chemical operations to stabilize materials, used those materials and fabricated wafers, etched the transistors and fully processed beginning to end every single microchip in the device your using? Did you write the code too? Did you even assemble it? Do you not exist in a world surrounded by the comfort of the capital you've gained by working for it? And furthermore, do the people who realistically and actually do all those things not deserve maybe a little more money than you because you can't do it?

[@milo_thatch_incarnate]

I loved the moment at 13:58 where a few people whooped and cheered for "bloody violent revolution", and Jordan just stood there and looked at them for a solid 16 seconds.

[@tunebeat3809]

That alone would have freaked me out.

[@gunmonkey1185]

You know you are doing it wrong when speaker stopped speaking at gave you THAT looks.

[@andrewbayram765]

All those that whooped at bloody revolution haven't listened. They would themselves all be on an oppressor list just for sitting in that lecture and being at that university

[@vincemcmahonreadskoran3120]

@@andrewbayram765 Idiots like that painting walls with their brains is the only possible upside of a communist revolution I can think of.

[@TheInfinitlyProlonged]

The same people whooping for a revolution, are the same ones that want the government to take away anything that could achieve that. They're not just ignorant, they are full on, completely useless, walking meat sacks of pure stupidity.

[@heroismismissing9516]

You've been incredibly influential to the Canadian education system, Jordan. My university has genocide classes now, we have beautiful churches and serious rational scientists aren't afraid to attend anymore, our philosophers don't scoff at divinity, and funnels individuals interested in the Marxist stuff toward one corner. They appear to have actively bolstered their defenses to ensure that strange, resent-fueled ideological corruption and student revolution doesn't occur here. Thanks for everything lad.

[@KLanVideo]

@@jordanbpeterson8855 why would you usurp Jordan’s name, misuse it, misuse the Bible and promote your own agenda? It’s deceitful. I am a Christian but this shameful. Jordan’s message emphasizes speaking truthfully. You could at least utilize your honest name as opposed to a false ascription.-What a great idea to hijack/steal his name and then use the Holy Bible for your own ends. Very consistent thinking... (sarcasm intended).

[@yossarian1633]

That's good to hear.

[@cheshirenadidethklok883]

Which school? Thats wonderful

[@jahazielhernandez8746]

I doubt that very seriously

[@heroismismissing9516]

@@jahazielhernandez8746 Your cynicism is probably justified because it is so unlikely but that is all very much true.

[@shawnhollahan590]

I am so proud to be a part of this paradigm shift ... I am so grateful to have the intellect and wisdom of Jordan Peterson (and so many other amazing people ) to support liberty 🗽

[@TheReaper569]

"the people that laugh might do it that way" Jordan engages his death ray.

[@lehampton1]

Yet they were too ignorant to know they had been made to look foolish and continued to try and heckle. When they cheered at the bloody revolution statement and he stared quietly for 15 seconds he must have been amazed at their total lack of understanding he had mocked them so completely the first time.

[@pickyphysicsstudent201]

I disagree. Could you imagine if someone made an argument like "Nobody, if given the opportunity, would ever do X horrible thing for their benefit only, at the detriment of many people", then people laugh because the statement is hillariliously naive about the world, as it so clearly is. The retort of "well, I guess you people would all be the evil ones" is more-or-less just an adhominium attack. Its equally troubling considering Peterson, a Christain, often talks about how Atheists have no morals and that they'd do just whatever, with no belief in god. He often mocks the notion that atheists are not inherently bad or at least the idea that "good athiests" are not true athiests.

[@TheReaper569]

@@pickyphysicsstudent201 i disagree. I can imagine that strongly and you can find a lot of people given the opportunity, protected from punishment, still refusing to do evil.

[@bobnix3240]

@@pickyphysicsstudent201 Right, but Peterson did not make a statement that was hilariously naive on its face. He made an astute observation about the stability of power platforms in human societies and how they are built, and the fools laughed at his observation, thus implying that they do not believe it to be true. His exact quote was: "You don't rise to a position of authority that's reliable, in a human society, primarily by exploiting other people." Do you think parents derive their authority from exploiting their children? Did the leader of your group of friends (if there was one) get there by exploiting the rest of your friends? Whom do you admire? Do the people you look up to hold the authority you give them by exploiting you? Do our great thinkers and philosophers and our most talented artists and composers derive their authority in their fields from exploiting people? Are our most admired athletes exploiting their fans? What about religious leaders? The ones who honestly follow their faith have very reliable positions of authority. Those who are hypocritical often find their authority quite unreliable, and when they are exposed their falls are dramatic. This is even true to a lesser degree with the often most obviously exploitative of authority figures: politicians. How many politicians have lost their places because they were publicly exposed to not be what they claimed? And for every one of us who holds their nose and votes for someone we know or suspect to be scum simply because they're better than the other sides' scumbags, there are plenty of others who truly believe in the politicians they support. And I don't think anyone is going to argue that there aren't politicians out there who truly believe in all of their own terrible ideas for which they were elected, so they're not primarily exploiting others. In fact, that directly supports Peterson's thesis. Those who truly believe in the bad ideas they were elected to represent are going to have very reliable positions. Across the broad spectrum of human society, reliable positions of authority are generally derived from admiration and respect, not exploitation. It is only the ugly exceptions which are exploitative, and these are reliable only insofar as the exploited can be tricked into ignoring the evidence of how they are being exploited, or by naked force. All that to say, yes, if those people believe that the primary way to obtain a position of authority is to exploit others, they're definitely in the camp that is most likely to go out an exploit others in order to obtain authority.

[@markbyrd7710]

@@pickyphysicsstudent201 I'm pretty sure Peterson is not a Christian... Where did you hear otherwise?

[@ThatLatinDude]

"It's not about helping the poor but hating the rich." In that context, the manifesto starts to make some sense.

[@ЦветанГанчев-у4п]

"Hating the rich" - sounds pretty based, they don't deserve love even from their mothers

[@ryathegoat]

Hmm I don't think you have even read the manifesto :pepethonk:

[@JPqbss]

@@ryathegoat it’s not entirely accurate, but the manifesto is definitely more “fuck the rich” than it is “help the poor”

[@lavoxii]

Communist China has done exactly the thing, “F* the rich and poor, but help themselves to get rich.”

[@ДокторЯдо]

Guess who is to blame for poverty, huh?

[@tsutt_ace]

It's amazing to me that Communism as an economic system is still a debatable topic. Even after centuries of it being tried and tested across hundreds of countries and failing every time.

[@Mcaark]

Costing 100s of millions of lives.

[@davida.rosales6025]

Because it's more like religious ideology than an actual economic system. Karl Marx basically took ideas from Adam Smith and David Ricardo, mixed them in with spite and hate for those who were better than him at making money (like the father who gave him a comfortable life and luxury, whom he despised for it), and good old emotional-religious rabble rousing with "indignation" and general entitlement.

[@Misaka-gt5yj]

@@davida.rosales6025 Much like how Mao garnered the masses with emotions and false promises then stabbed them in the back later. Communism is only good at starting bloody revolutions and redistributes wealth to the political class while everyone else suffers.

[@desudesudesu5326]

Yeah, because pre-communist (or socialist rather) Vietnam and Cuba were so well off.

[@luigimrlgaming9484]

@@desudesudesu5326 Also good to note they weren’t capitalist before then. Real problems that ended up with bad solutions.

[@alexanderhorvat4836]

A solid, knowledgeable and articulate voice of reason for times bordering on increasing doses of insanity, depravity and poverty.

[@coolioso808]

Capitalism demands poverty. Monetary-market economics, overall, ensures poverty and class division. This is not a sustainable system. How do you propose we get out of this unsustainable monetary-market system of extreme inequality and exploitation?

[@alexanderhorvat4836]

@@coolioso808 THX for the question and not the usual hateful commentary. The fact that poverty has existed at various levels for all time is not necessarily a reflection of any economic system. People can make poor choices, that alcohol or drug for the three day high versus doing something constructive to make money for example. Poor choice, your income will be effected in all kinds of bad ways. Unfortunately, Socialism, Communism, Progressivism are all systems that offer even less in addressing any so called income inequality and what the propagandists call "exploitation". J. Petersen understands the Communist Manifesto. The promises are endless with the extreme left, but historically never really delivered. Even those countries Bernie Saunders calls successfully socialist have admitted to moving away from such political leanings as the ruination of their country would have been inevitable. Suggest doing some actually study to catch up. There has been a lot learned about these systems and how they can lure the under informed into a disastrous thought train. Of course books by Mark Levine, an ardent constitutionalist and supporter of the Constitutional Republic we were supposed to be. One of my older favorites was written by a John Stormer and called None Dare Call It Treason. The 1990's version compared what he wrote in the mid sixties to what had happened by the 1990's, more than validates what is actually going on today too. None of it is good for America and if it continues the US of A will exist in name only and all that free stuff will really cost you then.

[@smallgiant6064]

​@coolioso808 certainly not a by handing all property over a select elite that illicit absolute control and maintain it by governmental force. The most capitalistic thing the government can do end lobbying and break up monopolies. Without governmental power aiding them abusive corporations will fall.

[@pinealism]

13:53 Peterson realizes the very fools he's describing are in the audience.

[@lynnknight8780]

Thank you. We love you. So glad you're back!

[@gustavolobo2001]

I want to see Mr. Peterson again with a beard and giving lectures.

[@josephreagan9545]

Personally, I like him better without the beard. ...Hail Lobster!

[@natethegr8230]

I want to see Dr. Peterson atop a throne of skulls Conan the Barbarian style.

[@johnphilly2479]

I just enjoy seeing Peterson, cause it always means I'll hear some further truth.

[@rollout1984]

I'm pro-beard Peterson myself.

[@CokenOpi]

this is from 2019

[@meglukes]

I think in Marxism by Thomas Sowell, after he gives his overview of the communist manifesto, he says something like “I prefer to start my critiques by listing the positives, but the manifesto has none.”

[@TheMusicscotty]

Red Skull's opening 90 seconds was both brutal and brilliant.

[@ezabjacorn6208]

You're edgy

[@darkcoeficient]

The best part was when he raised his fist and said "Confound you buck'o!".

[@croatiaboy11]

@@ezabjacorn6208 its a joke, he doesnt think hes comparable to red skull really

[@ProductionJunction1]

Omg you killed me

[@83169]

The two deranged death cults that illegitimately dominate the U S , foisted onto the American public a bungling real-estate grifter and game-show host versus Nixon in a pants suit. And yet, you have the nerve to say something like that in public.

[@southafricauncensored]

Actually watching this from south’s Africa and it’s midnight this side I really like Jordan Peterson’s critique of ideas

[@sid2112]

Capitalism works!

[@kyleebrahim8061]

I agree. A few others from the US like Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell and Milton Friedman are economists but allow you to create or improve your view on many social, economic and political issues.

[@garywhitt98]

You may have the coolest name on 6 continents.

[@southafricauncensored]

@@garywhitt98 which name?

[@garywhitt98]

@@southafricauncensored both, first and last. Melodic and rhythmical. Your parents got it right.

[@eivinstens6091]

"Well, the people who laughed might do it that way." - Touche!

[@DumpsterJedi]

Jordan's almost got his foot all the way in it- but my main point of contention is he redefines Marx's use of the word Exploitation then says Capitalism alone produces Wealth, and I just gotta ask: Where does wealth come from? Who gets to participate in growing wealth?

[@yeshuahawk6835]

I know this will probably never be seen by Dr. Peterson himself however , I want him to know...you sir are my Patron Saint. A true Saint in a world where people won't allow themselves to look downward long enough to see that they need one. My spirit, and the spirit of millions of others stand with you. You are loved. Thank you for your work.

[@anon_3339]

i second that statement

[@CK-dp6je]

He always reminds me of a tortured saint.

[@elephantman2854]

Very dangerous, get that idea out of your head before you become (and maybe are) a sycophantic cult worshipper like the commies he derides

[@forgetaboutit1069]

A socialist will gladly hand you the shirt off their neighbor’s back

[@booperdee2]

the perfect reason why socialism doesnt work, they only ever want to redistribute what they have if everyone else is doing it, never making their own sacrifices. they can argue about how fruitless their sacrifice would be in comparison to a billionaire, but it isnt very convincing to just say things and do another thing. Care about the environment? Ride a bike more. Care about educational inequality? put videos about your specialist subject on the internet. many different things that, if done, more people will do, and then you dont even need governmental enforcement since everyone is already doing it

[@forgetaboutit1069]

@@booperdee2 I agree; just look at the history of the kibbutz system and its failures. As Jordan Peterson states, socialism has never created wealth. Capitalism has done more to lift people out of poverty than any other system in the history of man. Yes, it’s true, the rich get richer but the poor get richer as well. All boats rise in a high tide.

[@forgetaboutit1069]

@HMS Blackprice haha, you communists are funny folks! Nice grammar by the way; clearly you are top shelf. The ad hominem was just the perfect touch to your “logic”! I would counter you but I found arguing with a fool is often useless. “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”

[@definitelynotcrazyrei3890]

@@forgetaboutit1069 "No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money." - Matthew 6 : 24

[@forgetaboutit1069]

@@definitelynotcrazyrei3890 I’m unsure what you’re implying but isn’t there a passage that says “don’t covet anything that belongs to your neighbor”? As if God isn’t taking care of you that you need to worry about your neighbor? As Thomas Sowell once said “I don’t understand why it’s ‘greed’ to keep the money you have earned, but not ‘greed’ to take someone else’s money”

[@TheWebMindset]

The man is a genius. His courage is remarkable.

[@canaryimpulse989]

He didn't even read/understand the one pamphlet he claimed to read on this subject. Clearly it doesn't take much to impress you.

[@andrewsperry6450]

@@canaryimpulse989 wow. That’s your take? Interesting....

[@canaryimpulse989]

@@andrewsperry6450 Yes. I'm putting it midly.

[@SkeezyBacon]

@@canaryimpulse989 Did you thumbs up your own comment?

[@canaryimpulse989]

@@SkeezyBacon No. There are other ppl here who know that JP is lying and frankly, are trying to break through into your echochamber to show you that.

[@florinarchfiend2592]

Critiquing the communist manifesto instead of "Das Kapital" is a mistake many people make. The manifesto was a simple doctrine for the german communist party.

[@ReubenAStern]

"You don't rise to a reliable position of authority by exploiting people" very true. I've watched all the bad bosses exploit workers. The best ones leave, the second best ones coast along doing the bare minimum when they could be crushing it. Your average workers vent their frustrations by bullying. And the less confident workers are nervous wrecks constantly making catastrophic mistakes. But what I also noticed, is that a manager that exploits people doesn't care about success. They just want to feel powerful.

[@DiachokDN]

Right on target! I found that many foreign service officers in Africa love to lord over their African servants. Instead of thinking, "Since I'm in charge now, I will finally create an amiable working environment," they think, "I've always had my ass kicked. Now it's my turn to kick ass."

[@dafunkmonster]

And people who want to feel powerful grind their businesses right into the ground. What sort of job do you suppose such people will seek out under a communist system? Obviously, they’ll become members of the party and try to climb the ranks. And they’ll engage in the same kinds of behaviors. But under a communist system, there will be no market to check them.

[@martinthegiraffe7924]

I find these statements so baffling, how can you look around the world and agree with Peterson on this ? could you explain to me why is Jeff Bezos (an obscenely rich billionaire boss) is getting away with Amazon drivers pissing and shitting in their trucks because they don't have time to take proper breaks? Why is Elon musk's Tesla (and pretty much all electronics) dependent on critical conflict minerals (e.g.Lithium ion batteries) in areas of the world where neo-slavery exists? Why have Zara, Nike and H&M built millions off the back of child workers in poor and unsafe working conditions all over East Asia? Why are Deliveroo and Uber some of the most highly valued companies of the decade and yet none of the workers of these companies -that need to work to survive- are considered employees and consequently offered no worker rights (holidays, health insurance, min wage etc) ? Just step outside your white-picket-fenced suburb and imagine that maybe worker exploitation exists beyond the realms of your social class and your nation.

[@martinthegiraffe7924]

@@illegalopinions4082 1) My answer was in response to Jordan Peterson's idiotic comment on how exploiting your workers is unsustainable and doesn't lead to success. This is categorically false, you just need to think about the statement twice and look at Forbes 100 and see this is wrong. Me engaging or not engaging in these actions won't change the FACT that these billionaires have built their backs off the exploitation of people. 2) I see you're obsessed with the idea of personal responsibility. Whilst I agree, we need to motivate people to achieve the best they can - the absolute freedom of choice for everyone is an illusion. If your mother took heroin while she was pregnant, did you choose to live in an unhealthy body - prone to addiction? If you grow up in a poor small village in India and you struggle to feed your children, how could you not work 11 hours in a clothing factory and send your eldest children to work there ? If you're born gay and poor in a conservative neighborhood and everyday you're told that you're a freak, unnatural, rejected from communities and told you deserve to die - why wouldn't you kill yourself ? In the face of death, people will accept whatever they must to keep themselves alive - personal responsibility and the freedom of choice is usually a lie that privileged people tell themselves to show to the world how good they are and how hard they've worked. It's text-book virtue-signalling.

[@Zabiru-]

@@martinthegiraffe7924 I do not necessarily disagree with 1) there, however, a decently regulated mostly free market kind of like we have here in Scandinavia with unions and government oversight significantly hinders and punishes such reprehensible behavior on the part of employers. You're not wrong that companies can succeed by doing these terrible things if regulatory legislation and oversight permits it and companies get away with it of course though. In a world where it globally didn't work like that (which is where I hope we'll collectively go eventually) it wouldn't happen. Every single large-scale implementation of socialism as per the Marx Engels doctrine has failed utterly in providing sustained growth and a long-time success however, so I don't see this as a significant enough drawback to the free market economy model. It isn't perfect and entirely unchecked it is even less so, but it is the least imperfect system to date since it has produced the most successful societies with the least amount of human suffering overall. Much like I think the bulk of people feel that the far left and far right are absolute nutjobs because extremes never work in general I believe the sweet spot lies somewhere in the middle. Not as free as die-hard capitalists with wishes of a minimally controlling government would want, and not as regulated and rigid in its control of people's behavior as the left seems to want to be. In essence I see it like this. It's the balance between order and chaos that Peterson is talking about in his books with regards to a persons life and their place in society only with unregulated individual freedom and regulation freedom for companies on one side of the diagram and a rigid totalitarian police state with prescriptive laws and regulation controlling individual behavior as well as the government having power of all the means of production on the other. It is essentially a square diagram with points along each X and Y axis into the upper left/right and lower left/right representing how far towards either of the above-mentioned extremes a society falls. Soviet Russia would fall squarely in the middle towards the left side with the maximum governmental oversight of both what laws govern an individual's everyday activities but also society's collective power and means of production. And that... is bad, harmful, and just does not work. Historically if you try to implement Marxist socialism exactly as prescribed by Marx and Engels that's where we've ended up. With unchecked government tyranny, a stagnant society, starvation and death. A living hell in other words. I'm not saying that capitalist countries do not produce inequality and the conditions where people are faced with the non-choice of death or acceptance of terrible things, but it doesn't have to be that way. With the benefit of hindsight, it pretty much is guaranteed to work out that way with the opposite system ergo some degree of capitalism is the better choice. Edit: I would address all the individual questions you posed in your first comment with the examples you gave but I feel the above answers all of them.

[@averagefreedomenjoyer8209]

Clean your room every time he says "Well that turned out to be a real problem"

[@DanielOrtiz-dl8eo]

Too late, i clean my room as i get up

[@chris.kellly]

@@thekingofthings2002 you still need your vaccine for your protection though

[@telazu5907]

@@thekingofthings2002 Fcuuck.

[@richardike2342]

When l think of the conditions that lead to the Russian revolution, and the end result, l am reminded that human beings tend to go from one extreme to another.

[@elliottrubenstein1746]

Brilliant!

[@dwightehowell8179]

There is an appalling record of human foolishness of people demanding goods and services that a community can not provide and smashing the growing prosperity of that community. As strange as it seems Russia was such a community, there are other examples from south America and of course the US going the same way. Of course the blue states are leading the charge.

[@dwightehowell8179]

@@DanielMalikov How in hell can you demonize mass murder on that scale?

[@dwightehowell8179]

@@DanielMalikov How many people died in the Gulags? In the Holodomor? Or just because Stalin decided to purge them? Why was the officer core of the Soviet Army made up of a bunch of rank amateurs when the Germans invaded the Soviet Union. They even had to recall some of the purged army officers from the gulags or they would have lost the Great War. I believe the same thing had happened to their aircraft design people only I don't think they got them back. They were world leaders in aircraft design before Stalin decided to murder them.

[@burleydad]

@@DanielMalikov spotted one of the marxists who downvoted this video.

[@ga9d]

Clarity in a nutshell. Dr.P.. is able to boil down such complex problems into simple, digestible bites.We are blessed to have this man’s intellect be a voice among us.

[@coolioso808]

Do you think monetary-market capitalism is socially, economically and ecologically sustainable? If so, based on what evidence. Do you not see how bad society if falling apart these days? The inequality, the wars, the crime, the political corruption, the cost of living. It's all over the world. A critical mind would connect the dots, unlike Peterson, and determine that there must be a dysfunctional system that is at play here and we should work to replace it with something better. Unless you don't care about humanity at all, are a doomer and just want to get as much wealth as you can out of life and leave Earth to burn, the way it is trending? I mean, if you are a doomer, at least admit it, so you don't let people think you care. That's more honest.

[@daylily32]

I love how he is unconciously turning his wedding band like she is ever gentle on his mind. Been doing it for years.

[@Kirbyisgayy100]

Magic imbued ring

[@daylily32]

@@Kirbyisgayy100 Actually, a man very much in love.

[@TOUGHEYES]

@@daylily32 what's the difference?

[@Kirbyisgayy100]

@@daylily32 I’d argue the wedding band itself is more on his mind than the woman that gave it to him.

[@johnmaher7078]

@@Kirbyisgayy100 what led you to that hypothesis?

[@Xaalderan]

when they turn moderate speakers who try to advocate for a more peaceful society into super villains

[@ramonbril]

Because they have no rebuttal, only selfish anger and childish hatred.

[@MarekUtd]

HAIL HYDRA...I MEAN LOBSTER.

[@pederhalvorsen2289]

@@MarekUtd dang it!! You beat me to it!! 😄😄👍👍

[@actionjksn]

@@MarekUtd What does that mean?

[@2based548]

Yea we don’t like their ideas so Nazi is the only title that’s universally available

[@DarknessProphet]

"If we were to use violence to create utopia then surely there wouldn't be violence in our utopia."

[@doloreschansey9556]

which is a Machiavellian idea of the ends justify the means, which can work, but is not likely and hasn't in history because the people who use violence know what it feels like and will inevitably want to use it again, with or without the same reasons that led to their first use of it.

[@DarknessProphet]

@@doloreschansey9556 It cannot work for two reasons. The first is a catch-22. Violence is present so long as it is being exercised regardless of the goal of that violence so those who enact it have to turn on themselves. The second reason is that the end will never be reached. Words are seen as violence upon ideas so we'd have to destroy all sense of language and communication, meaning societies wouldn't be able to function. There are also those who view reality itself as something that attacks their ideas and can thus be seen as violent in nature.

[@historyandhorseplaying7374]

@@doloreschansey9556 Not just those who have used it. If you’ve ever had violence done against you, you know that the first thing you want to do is do violence against those who did violence on you. And so on, and so on, and so on. It’s constant. And then your children grow up hating those who did violence against you. In other words, violence does not beget peace and tranquility.

[@americancitizen748]

This video should have billions of likes.

[@Caterpillar7220]

I was sixteen when I first read the Communist Manifesto. I was genuinely curious as to why all my teachers kept pushing Marx and other Communist intellectuals everywhere in the school curriculum, not in a critical way, but clearly as a form of admiration. I remember the horror and shock I felt at those ideas. The way I looked at my teachers changed forever. I still regard it as one of those days when I could actually feel that I was growing up. I still can't believe how so many brilliant intellectuals can fall for such a blatantly clear murderous utopia. Such is the banality of Evil.

[@gg_rider]

I didn't read Communist Man. in school. No teacher explained Cold War or why USA was involved in Vietnam war. No teacher explained - with neither praise nor condemnation - why or how the USA was "at war" with the Soviet Union or Red China. It seemed irrational to me, because they had not invaded my country. I can admit that the surface ideas sounded empathetic and compassionate -- power to the people, more fairness, less exploitation by angry managers, etc., more leisure, less ruthless competition. Attractive notions, perhaps. It took my own personal effort and teachers like JBP and others before him to understand how much Marxists discounted "bourgeois" individual rights to the extent that mass human sacrifice for abstract goals and vision, was a line item, an important component even, to ruthlessly punish dissent. The mortal fear experienced by Shostakovich for being to artsy-fartsy perturbed me. The West, in early Liberalism, has also done some of that ruthlessness, as Howard Zinn would attest (I haven't read his book either), but it's not a core operating principle of Liberalism.

[@gg_rider]

@Gleb Perch that's more naive than claiming that the Democratic Party is democratic or the Republican Party is republican. It's not anarchism because that can't work, not on any scale. It's not euro-socialism. Marxism-Leninism is centralized control and various of the poor are always scapegoated, controlled, and murdered. Any improvements in China is from the current CCP doing things that Mao would have had them punished or executed as "Capitalist-roaders" or "counter-revolutionary". Remember, Shostakovich composed some music that was a bit avant garde, a bit intellectual, a bit challenging to listeners. Not simple proletariat patriotic music to uplift the Party. Some countries, including the US, some conservatives would complain about too artsy expression, egghead stuff, but Shostakovich was afraid for real reasons that Stalin's secret police were going to arrest him and take him away to be punished severely. There's attention between solidarity, brotherhood, and individuality, but Marxism-Leninism goes far too far and rejecting individual rights to be contrarian.

[@alienrenders]

@Gleb Perch There are no methods prescribed to achieve that. Only lofty ideas that when attempted end up in countless deaths.

[@c172215s]

@Gleb Perch LOL

[@TheChadPad]

@Gleb Perch You call a violent massacre a global brotherhood of humanity?

[@orboakin8074]

As an African (Nigerian) I couldn't agree with Mr. Peterson more! Our continent may not be developed yet but so many improvements have occurred even before I was born in the late 90s thanks to capitalism. My own country is an example of a benefactor of capitalism. Another great example is Botswana; a country smaller than Zimbabwe and South Africa but that is socially, economically and politically stable thanks to good leadership and capitalism compared to the other two that have become effectively failed states despite having more land and resources. To all the westerners who keep saying socialism and communism is better for the world, I dare you to actually live in a socialist and communist country.

[@CopperBased]

May your African nation avoid the mistakes of such nations as Brazil, who undid a generation of free market progress when they elected socialists.

[@CopperBased]

@@mikearchibald744 no mike, the socialists were put into power decades ago. Bolisaro was elected after the disaster that was the 2000s and 2010s economy in Brazil, to try to fix it, but the interesting thing is once you have a socialist bureaucracy in place it digs in like a tick and it has to be ripped out, and it will fight the whole way.

[@Astolfo2001]

Based comment.

[@Ston247]

Americans do not have the stomach to actually live in oppression, poverty or war. I'm an older guy and I can say I loved my comfortable capitalist life.

[@orboakin8074]

@@Ston247 Good on you, friend. Now, work hard to ensure your society continues to prosper and encourage your young people to do likewise.

[@SaltBhj]

Man, when they cheered and applauded the thought of a fierce, bloody revolution sweeping across the land. I was just stunned.

[@deutschesvaterlandfankanal]

Fuck those murderous bastard

[@therightarmofthefreeworld4703]

They’ll cheer… and if their “glorious” revolution comes to be, they’ll rape, pillage and murder until, inevitably, it’s decided that they are part of the problem, and it’s them and their family up against the wall.

[@redtobertshateshandles]

Don't worry, they have a problem..

[@damiangriffiths7801]

Jordan Peterson is trying to wake us up to how awful these attitudes are. Morally these people are no better than a bunch of white supremacists, in my opinion. However, it's worth bearing in mind that it is unlikely that any of the people who cheer have any influence on anyone beyond their own debating circles.

[@dalerobertson3740]

There have always been those in humankind who thirst for violence; it is unfortunately a part of human nature, but a disturbing one nonetheless for those who are not that way inclined. There will always be such people unfortunately. The conundrum of those who oppose them has always been to do so without violence. For to retaliate against violence with violence; makes us the same. Such has been the conundrum of all opposition of evil since the dawn of time…

[@ivanpadilla4479]

I remember Zizec admonishing the audience at some point in this debate. Well deserved too, something along the lines of: this is not proper behavior when talking and analizing ideas.

[@yodizzll]

"well the people that laughed might do it that way" fucking slaughtered. I'm going to watch this over and over again until I memorize it.

[@83169]

The two deranged death cults that illegitimately dominate the U S , foisted onto the American public a bungling real-estate grifter and game-show host versus Nixon in a pants suit. And yet, you have the nerve to say something like that in public.

[@coops3600]

That was literally the perfect retort, because there could not be a truer statement about communists, and at the same time it showed that, while communists operate that way, their theory that the rest of the world does is actually manifestly wrong.

[@chriswhite2151]

@@83169 what does this even mean?

[@kadevanschindel5285]

@@chriswhite2151 shhh, he didn't come to the comments section to discuss. He came to post something he thinks sounds smart but makes no sense. Hes playing 4d chess with himself.

[@dimetronome]

It was the kind of response one would expect from somebody who lacks confidence in what they are saying, which isn’t surprising when you consider how ill-prepared he is for this discussion.

[@Pally-Main]

finally something light and comfortable

[@druncle1977]

Trying out summer dresses? :/

[@SentMyOwnWay]

@@druncle1977 😂

[@postdawn]

And here we are... 🙄

[@yomom4573]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣✌

[@MrDJ217]

True

[@bot_matrix]

The timing of Jordan darting his eyes at the few in the crowd cheering for a bloody revolution is the greatest thing in the world. Also the people cheering are seriously lost and I hope they can open their mind

[@Digganob590]

I hope they got his point in that stare.

[@MaGuFer]

Those folks engender foot soldiers for Antifa and the BLM.

[@LostArchivist]

I think they were cheering because someone spoke the truth for once and pointed out that the emperor has no clothes. Not in favor of bloody revolution.

[@Digganob590]

@@LostArchivist Those were not admiring claps for Peterson's point, those were cheers in response to the words "bloody violent revolution." Do not underestimate the willingness for those with evil in their hearts to publicly revel in the idea of doing evil. These same people were, a few minutes ago in the lecture, laughing at the idea that you can ascend hierarchy without cunning tricks and ruthless, unscrupulous tactics.

[@Icosiol]

They’re not lost. They just haven’t allowed themselves to truly think yet.

[@martinst8764]

I absolutely love JP. This is an outstanding, educational presentation. Love the bit about Dostoevsky near then end! HOWEVER, didn't like all the stats at the end - don't trust them, they are not arguments. For example, many of the people being 'taken out of poverty' are indigenous people who technically have a bit more money than before but have in fact had their lives stripped, by capitalist expansion, of everything that was previously meaningful. That is going towards impoverishment, not away from it. I don't rate JP so highly when he's talking about environmental stuff - there's more at play than self-empowerment and mere economics. But I still regard him as a RnR star of the highest order!! Another brilliant presentation.

[@burt591]

The best part is that when it was Zizek turn to reply he was basically like: "Yeah, I actually agree with everything you said"

[@dynamicpaintball]

As someone who largely dislikes communism in all it's forms, Zizek was one of the more tolerable self processed 'marxists' I've seen. He was reasonable and made good critiques of capitalism which I feel are important to hear, but in the end he didn't shift my sympathy for Marxism and communism. It needs to be looked on as fascism is, if not worse.

[@TheJohmac]

I don't that that's the "best part". There is nothing good about the fact that one of the leading minds of the communist agenda agrees that it is malevolent, but supports it anyway.

[@Joefrenomics]

@@TheJohmac He’s actually not a Marxist. At least not a classical one. My understanding is that it’s mostly to provoke. My impression is that he agrees with the Marxist critique of Capitalism, but thinks their solution failed.

[@TheJohmac]

@@Joefrenomics I didn't mention Marx.

[@Joefrenomics]

@@TheJohmac Oh sorry, I tend to use the terms Marxism and Communism interchangeably.