Slavoj Zizek - The difference between Stalinism vs Nazism

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[@iwouldprefernotto49]

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[@andyhx2]

I can even see the differences and how Russia has changed since the Cold War into what it is today. Soviet Union had well established tradition of trying to look like it cared about the public opinion and consent, while modern day Russia doesn't even attempt anymore - it functions as an organized crime syndicate using aribitrary violence as the main tool of it's efforts - Soviet Union would have publicly humiliated Prigozhin through trial before ultimately shooting him in the back of the head, Russia today had put down a plane on which he was along with all the other people. It's almost like...

[@michaelyeiser1565]

A distinction without a difference.

[@witchdoctorgrim-7409]

What happened to the stalinists who stopped clapping and sat down first?

[@power2ix605]

Nothing?

[@michaelyeiser1565]

@@power2ix605 Exactly. Nothing. They just had a culture of clapping. Claps they loved, clapping and the participation in great, long clapping fests. No incentives or disincentives beyond that were involved. Why would anyone fear a kind little Georgian fellow like Stalin?

[@power2ix605]

@michaelyeiser1565 you realise he tried to pass a resignation through the supreme soviet multiple times, but was rejected? People wanted him around. He only killed those who were collaborating with nazis to overthrow the government. You have a badly imagined view of the soviet Union.

[@vod96]

Gulags

[@witchdoctorgrim-7409]

​@@michaelyeiser1565 Stop clapping/Get clapped

[@NIL0S]

And they kept on clapping and clapping, as nobody wanted to stand out as stopping first 👏😂

[@im_not_political2026]

What’s even funnier is that Stalin didn’t actually like clapping

[@simosandboifan989]

xdd

[@elvinagha6360]

In which country or university this lecture took place?

[@aaaaaa-ct5ur]

dundee university

[@lorsheckmolseh3345]

CIA talking point academy

[@The_Real_Alex]

somebody please give him a Handkerchief for his nose, please, please, please

[@kimok4716]

Imagine this for 2 hours lol

[@AlbertFrederickLarun]

That's straight tweakin' right there, no allergies or sinus involved. He's a great speaker--very observant.

[@juliankliemann9200]

I love this video

[@lorsheckmolseh3345]

The "philosopher" of Uncle Sam telling the tales of Brother Goebbels.

[@Dr_Koki]

You couldn't even get the title right

[@vitorstraliottopimentel3459]

As Arnie would say, "Kokainum"

[@Sarfarazzamani]

3:29 Based!

[@ChrisSamuel1729]

Wait! So the idiot I thought was an idiot for saying “Political Correctness is literally Stalinism” in 2016, was actually, fortuitously, not an idiot? 😲 Only joking. There was no idiot. So I had to manufacture one. 😄😄 Just like Stalin and the Nazis did 😰

[@something-uj4eq]

It’s true that you couldn’t conceive of a situation where members of death camps in Nazi Germany would write letters to Hitler wishing him all the best. Stalinism (and even Communism, more generally,in my view)feigns universality amongst the people that it oppresses, whereas Fascism is honest about its disdain and oppression against its victims.

[@john.premose]

Communism never oppressed anyone. You are just a salty right winger. You just said that you were. Why are you pretending you care about people being oppressed?

[@john.premose]

Why are you pretending you care about people being oppressed?

[@something-uj4eq]

@@john.premose Me or a hypothetical Stalinist?

[@something-uj4eq]

@@john.premose Ahh, I think I see what you’re getting at. I think you’re saying that I’m conflating Communism and Stalinism. I recognize that those aren’t the same thing, but I still don’t buy that you can have a Communist regime that doesn’t necessarily lead to oppression. And, no, I’m not a salty right winger like you suggested. I actually wouldn’t even characterize myself as conservative. I don’t think the left has come up with a good alternative to a market system, and Zizek would agree with me. But I also agree with him that we shouldn’t give up on finding a better alternative. As he would say, maybe it’s time to interpret the world again instead of trying to change it. The left does itself no favors by pretending that Communism (at least as it’s currently construed) is a good alternative to a market based economy.

[@john.premose]

@@something-uj4eq they have markets in communism. You absolutely know nothing of what you're taking about. You think capitalism invented markets? Smh

[@Sento35]

Why does Zizek always wipe his nose, its like his on crack or something, haha.

[@egorsurimov5996]

Tics

[@IrishIwasJewish]

he has a condition

[@JamesLevineAndSons]

If I had to guess, Tourette

[@Justin_Watson23]

By saying "Stalinism" it inherently shows there's an agenda at work here - as nobody attacks really existing socialism as effectively as Zizek (ie his time in Yugoslavia). He knows the difference between "Seige Socialism" & western funded fascist regime(s). One is a mode of production with socialized labour, socialized appropriation of wealth, & had authoritarian measures implemented after being invaded by 10 western countries at the end of WWI. The other is a mode of capitalist government in extreme economic crisis (including the rise of worker power/a workers state within a few hundred miles) & criseses of Bourgeois legitimacy. A response to the contradictions built into capitalism, like the "rate of falling profit/overproduction" problem. Zizek should engage engage with material history, dialectical analysis, & toss his incompatible mix of Frankfurt school style "socialism" & Freudian psychoanalysis in the trash where it belongs - or stop misleading young people with good intentions & revolutionary energy by no longer calling himself a Marxist. That, he is not.

[@Minecraftzocker135]

Their actions are the same, they only differ in words.

[@michaelyeiser1565]

Realtalk. Except, I wonder whether Hitler would have eventually stopped his killings. He had a fairly discrete list of enemies. Had he won the war and killed them all, would he have decided to add to the list to sustain the killings? Stalin's list of killables was rather more amorphous, almost as though killing was the lifeblood of the Stalinist system as such.

[@feckoslovakia]

​@@michaelyeiser1565 Fascist society is structured as an extreme hierarchy, which only gets slimmer the longer it survives because it relies on scapegoats. Once all the extermination or enslavement finishes, the ruling class must redefine its terms for who is "pure".

[@kirschmichel147]

​​​@@michaelyeiser1565It's not like that apart from the racial genocide ideas the nazi state wasn't a terror regime against their "own people" as well. They of course also had a very efficient secret police and a court for show trials for percived political opponents. The views might seem a bit more consistent though, with less "mood swings". This might also had to do with the writer of the "theoretical" groundwork for the ideology being still alive and in power. We cannot say what would become of it if Hitler died and his successors had to rely on interpretation of the works.

[@vod96]

So the difference is only superficial - thanks

[@yigitgulmez4377]

no

[@vod96]

@@yigitgulmez4377 Hitler committed a genocide Stalin committed a genocide Hitler imprisoned thousands of political opponents Stalin imprisoned thousands of political opponents Hitler had a secret police Stalin had a secret police Hitler hated jews Stalin hated jews The difference? One called himself a national socialist The other called himself a socialist So yeah, superficial

[@juanblanco7898]

At the practical level - maybe.

[@vod96]

@@juanblanco7898 you mean, the only level that counts Though ideologically they are also very similar

[@isabelleskiss]

The difference is smaller than the similarities!

[@power2ix605]

He's giving differences in the authoritarianism.

[@john.premose]

No it's not. The difference is vast. You red pill, whatever you are, things (yeah, I said things) just want to make a similarity. I notice that none of you offer anything but assertions based on nothing, and then you upvote each other to make it seem like there is substance when in reality you know nothing of what you're talking about.

[@anthonymorris6490]

I like slavoj but Hitler was a nazi not a fascist they are different ideologies please read mein kampf and hitlers 2nd book then read the doctrines of fascism by giovanni gentile

[@rns2850]

No need to get pedantic...in this case, that's a distinction without any substantial difference. Nazism is a specific branch pertaining to the definition of facism

[@anthonymorris6490]

@@rns2850 so property rights in fascism non in Nazism. Racial identity not relevant in fascist doctrine but Nazism it is a core fundamental value. When you learn how similar they are you may be quite shocked to know that most european countries also were leaning on similar values, so very quickly you could throw all ideologies and say it is all the same

[@anthonymorris6490]

@@rns2850 also just to add Nazism is a form of socialism and fascism is a rejection of Marxism, socialism, liberalism and conservatism. Nazism if any near comparison had more in common with kemalism barring the extremity of genocide against targeted groups

[@gamervox1707]

red fascism vs fascism.

[@power2ix605]

????

[@gamervox1707]

@@power2ix605Stalin is red fascism. Nazism is fascism Reagan-ism/neo-liberalism is just like capitalist Leninism. Leninism is red capitalism.

[@power2ix605]

@@gamervox1707 no. That's not how politics works. Putting random words together doesn't do anything. Fascism and Marxism-Leninism and the vague concept of "red" (????) Are different

[@gamervox1707]

@@power2ix605 Lot of politics is made up word. Red come from Soviet unions flags color. Also capitalism in this case means lot of oligarchical hierarchy or one that has economic control over workers and such groups

[@power2ix605]

@gamervox1707 yeah but you're not using the words in a meaningful sense. Read political theory like Reform or Revolution by Rosa Luxembourg. I'm sure it's translated into whatever language you speak, and it's only 97 pages (available online for free)

[@Notchlings]

So… Stalinism is more dishonest than nazism

[@JamesLevineAndSons]

I think the distinction is that nazism involves no longer seeing your threat as human

[@averywynn]

this is obviously an observation on Hegelian universalism. what are you smoking brother