Sleep Token F***ing Sucks

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[@BradleyHallGuitar]

What do YOU guys think of Sleep Token then??

[@TMothibi]

Just learnt about them. From the few songs I've heard, I didn't get the METAL part. To me it just sounds like depressive pop rock. I am not a fan.

[@edgarkretschmann4753]

Obviously all of this is quite subjective. I do like them. Having said that, I guess there's some truth to the bits about being boring and bloated. I like their first 4 songs of the new album (eden), and the rest I couldn't really listen to. I love the summoning and agree that they could have stretched the first bit a bit more but also love the mixing of different genres and their outro particularly.

[@danbrowning4000]

Have tried to watch them live twice as well as attempts to listen to the songs on record, they bore the hell out of me, glad they're doing well though but i won't bother again

[@ManxVlogger]

I like them, but the thing I think I disagree with most on this video is that they should get a producer to significantly alter their output... I'd prefer to hear exactly what an artist is expressing, even if its flawed, than have it altered for mass consumption by an industry doodoohead.

[@EisGlockner]

Yes. They indeed absolutely suck! And please never call them the future of metal (Like many do) Because there is much more other stuff than metal.. Musically just bad. Sorry to all the fans! Just my opinion!

[@Compic]

I don't think having some metal elements in your mostly non-metal music makes you a "future of metal"

[@humanthenarrator]

I don't think it matters as long as they are part of the scene

[@kingstannis1158]

@@humanthenarrator they're a disgrace to the scene

[@Vivi_9]

They're being pushed so hard, obvious industry plants

[@humanthenarrator]

People that happen to listen to heavy music like Sleep Tokens music, that's all :)

[@Malthiest]

Sleep Token fans are worse than Tool fans. And I didn’t think that was even possible.

[@hyperboreandesolation]

Thank you for daring saying what you really think on your channel, it's extremely rare these days, also, I strongly agree with you.

[@776Mine]

this comment is unintentionally funny

[@Abridgimation]

in other words: Anyone I disagree with aren't saying what they really think

[@hyperboreandesolation]

Nope, in other words : Popular KZbinr, for business reasons, have almost no interest of saying what they think, making a dull and insincere world. It's risky to tell your mind as a popular KZbinur, that's all. @@Abridgimation

[@TriFekt]

Dunno man, it's pretty popular to shit on ST. Not really a brave take.

[@hyperboreandesolation]

@@TriFekt It's not popular for popular KZbinr to take such risks (when they have such a following).

[@AdriaKent]

Being a fan of the band as I am (like that meant actually something, I know), you made some valid points that even I have to agree. That won't change the fact that I'm love with them, but I like it when I find some good and well exposed criticism about the things I like. It's the healthiest way to enjoy things, in my opinion. Good job, dude. You earned a new subscriber ^^.

[@nadeen1111]

This is the most level headed metal comment I've ever seen, kudos bro lol

[@asleepbydawn137]

@@nadeen1111 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@slaytronic]

looks like it should be more brutal than Behemoth comes out like a disney song lol

[@spelunkymonke]

The "Megurdef" shirt is killing me💀

[@BradleyHallGuitar]

Yeah man I love them haha

[@m4rauder]

​@@BradleyHallGuitar"now THIS! is real metal"

[@spelunkymonke]

@@m4rauderwhat the bloody hell is this boomer nonsense?!

[@mfc4afos]

​@@spelunkymonke he met the real him

[@Looped-again]

@@BradleyHallGuitarwhere can I get that?

[@Mxulin]

Plot twist: Bradley is Vessel

[@immortalx50]

lol'd

[@maxwellhavins3215]

Yes! And this is how he trying to fish for a new producer!

[@KDill29]

That's what I was thinking.

[@billjones5741]

That voice scrambler thing just made me think of Enter Shikari: AND WE MUST LET THE FLOODGATES OPEN.

[@andrewhooker8798]

That track is mental bro

[@kyriacosomerou6763]

Sleep Token is a metal band for people who think the edgy fashion is " cool " but hate metal music.

[@joeylummox7330]

🎯 💯 🎯 💯

[@loompy1440]

I’ve tried listening to them 4-5 times and have to say I agree with everything you’ve said. It doesn’t help that I was introduced to opeth at age 12… so the novelty of genre bending and strange song structures is not new to me… so an accessible version of it seems extra boring at this point. I think they should either go heavier or go more pop. The middle ground they’re traversing right now is so so boring. What do I know though, they’re obviously very popular and beloved.

[@Efgand0894]

Kinda same but I've been spoiled by the Japanese scene and when a wester band does it is not new to me

[@LA_Official_Mus1c]

I absolutely love sleep token but i will agree they should push towards one side more and I think they should definitely go heavier and with their new era it seems they are going to do so!

[@Allen7]

I agree with you 100%

[@subjectt.change6599]

You can’t put fuck and suck that close together. The algorithm thinks it’s porn.

[@romandoo]

Well that fucking sucks

[@robertsylvester3542]

@@romandoohahaha I see what you did there

[@JesusHeKnowsMe]

😮

[@shadowpeople89]

Well that fucking deep throats. Doesn't sound much better does it? Be right back have to go do something.

[@marugochan131]

To the pacing part, it reminds me of the description to action ratio that some authors also makes reading absolutely tedious. I had to read Lord of the flies in school and the descriptions to setting the tone was taking about 2/3rds of the chapters sometimes, you could literally skip some descriptive paragraphs and it wouldn't have an influence at all on the plot. Same goes for music, if you can fast forward on atmospheric parts, it's usually not a good sign.

[@Cr0wsMurd3r]

Have the same feeling about LotR books... and Sleep Token 🤣

[@launchpadplays]

@@Cr0wsMurd3r Tolkien is notorious for this

[@Starcruiser81]

Hmm... Sleep Tolkien? xD

[@ZP-xyza]

@@Cr0wsMurd3rhave the same feeling (among others) about death note

[@angel_of_rust]

that's indie shit in a nushell

[@gregoryl.levitre9759]

I was unaware of the payoffs. I never made it far enough into one of their songs to experience the metal part. I didn't think it actually existed. Sleep Token is a great sleep aid, so they are aptly named.

[@aCookedFella]

Same lol

[@weebsarecringe2102]

I mean that's one way to play stupid lads, pure ignorance and being edgy

[@PaladinMika]

and the payoffs aren't that spectacular too

[@TheMookie1590]

the payoff isnt a dark souls boss. IT istn worth it

[@ethanchandler8557]

I am not too sure about the average sleep token fan, but my sister who has never shown any interest in metal, no matter how many times i have tried to get her to listen to metal, primarily because it is "too much", started listening to them on her own volition and has grown quite a liking to their music, and is beginning to enjoy the heavier parts of their music. I think that she enjoys them because they provide the heavier parts in very short bursts that arent overwhelming for people who are not used to them but idk that is just my experience. I think it is almost like psychosocial was for me where initially i really liked the clean chorus and would primarily listen to it for that reason but then i found myself slowly starting to love the less clean parts. and now i am a huge fan of the more extreme genres like brutal death and the like.

[@miahthorpatrick1013]

That's the big takeaway here. My 10 year old niece doesn't like metal at all but she loves Sleep Token. And now she's starting to come around a little bit on other rock and metal stuff. What they are doing for the musical landscape is being a gateway band. And I like that.

[@e_xcalibur578]

The very small portion of heavy in their songs doesn't make them metal Its more like atmospheric rage

[@2000Doriyas]

I agree, I guess if it does actually get people to branch out into extreme metal then it would be a net positive

[@coneplays3691]

The same thing happened to me with psychosocial. I didn't like screams before I got hooked on that song.

[@smoqreefer]

@@coneplays3691 for me it was "Back to the primitive" by Soulfly.

[@n0ctusss]

They literally combine everything i dislike about modern metal xD but to each their own

[@somekindofdude1130]

Same

[@lorenmorgan1931]

This comment totally nails it!

[@lippi2171]

I think that's probably why others might love them to death. Because people look for different things in music and ST managed to synthesize some elements very well. But they're VERY divisive

[@RickReasonnz]

More infuriatingly, they achieve the level of popularity that other more deserving bands will never see.

[@LontrinhaOzadaotaria]

@@RickReasonnz Never forget that "deserving" is just personal opinion ok ? Supporting and promoting your favorite bands will help them, blaming someone else won't.

[@Mondscheinstaub]

I came across their viral part of The Awakening on TikTok a lot. It has a very clear jazz element to it, especially the way the singer uses his voice. I imagined a completely different music than what it actually is as a whole 6.36 min. song. I acknowledge they have a very interesting and intelligent mixture of genres and there’s something ethereal about it. That being said, I fail to see how this could be called metal? There‘s like two tiny breakdowns and a bit of screaming and that‘s it. Makes this whole thing fairly uninteresting to me, but that‘s totally fine. I would categorize them loosely as Alternative.

[@keytarkrazy12]

What’s the awakening? Do you mean the summoning?

[@rafaelcubeddu]

Im not a fan of ST but i think theyre mismarketed. Theyre not a metal band. They're an electro/rnb group with metal elements that are easy to digest. And they do have an issue with pacing. I don't think theyre the future of metal, but they may help to ease people into it, which is a plus in my book. Maybe theres a sleep token to animals as leaders to opeth pipeline? Unlikely, but it would be awesome to see metal getting a cultural second wind. I do agree they nailed the custome and lore aspect. I wouldn't be surprised if they're Warhammer fans. They understood that lore can be just as important as the hobby itself ...thats a huge part of what draws people to Warhammer.

[@vlinnstone6919]

Please... for fuck sakes... stop. They're a Metal band. Metalcore if you want. Stop with that bullshit. They're a Metal band. End of story.

[@lonestardreadpirate]

the only genre i can really think to classify them as would be alternative metal, because even if they include elements from rnb and "electro" i still think they're definitely closer to metal than those two genres.

[@athraxis]

@@vlinnstone6919 They are not metal. Just accept it.

[@victorferreira5852]

@@vlinnstone6919 Sleep Token IS NOT METAL as much as metalcore is also not, shut the hell up. As someone else perfectly wrote here in the comments, "looks like it should be more brutal than Behemoth comes out like a disney song". Not metal. End of story.

[@IamNotaBotGodDamnIt]

​@@vlinnstone6919 search results for "sleep token" Searching bands by name Showing 0 to 0 of 0 entries just a quick search in encyclopaedia metallum not metal!

[@maf579]

If you like genre-blending, check out Bilmuri. They’re more post-hardcore/pop than metal but I feel like the way that they incorporate different styles of music into their own aids the catchiness of their songs rather than detracting from it

[@BradleyHallGuitar]

Bill Murray?

[@somekindofdude1130]

​@@BradleyHallGuitarquality joke

[@maf579]

@@BradleyHallGuitar yeah, pretty sure that’s the origin of their name!

[@StutteryBoi]

big vouch for Bilmuri, they fucking rock

[@kurt_kocane]

Johnny Franck is a g. Bilmuri kicks ass

[@TheRealJoeNathan]

I like genre-bending bands like Mr. Bungle, Electric Callboy, and Igorrr. These bands excel at making different genres feel cohesive and connected, while Sleep Token sounds like they are stitching together different genres, instead of blending them together in a way that makes sense. Like EC's Paradise in Hell, it starts as a rap song, then pop/electronic, then metalcore, and it all sounds like one song, it all makes sense. Igorrr's Houmous has elements of Italian, Middle Eastern, breakcore, classical, opera, avant-garde, black metal, 8-bit all in under four minutes, and it all just makes sense, it sounds like one song. Sleeptoken is like here's a soft part, an rnb part that has nothing to do with the previous part, and a metal part that has nothing to do with the rest of the song. It feels random and stitched together. Another huge turnoff for me is the vocal production. Too much tuning, when it sounds like he's a good singer, and didn't need much in the first place. I have no problem with vocal tuning unless it's obvious. Also, sometimes the guitars go heavy, and he's singing very softly and doesn't match the aggression, come on, give it some grit and angst, or even better, scream, I know you can. I want to like them, but I just don't. I'm curious to see whether they successfully blend genres together or lay off the vocal tuning in the future.

[@gilernt]

Couldn't have said it better myself. I think what you said here is why I came to like SOAD as much as I did when I was younger, since it really felt like they were combining music I was familiar with and was expecting with music from their culture that I had never heard before. The best part was that they did it amazingly seamlessly, IMO. Like you said, Sleep Token just kind of mashes random things together for shits and giggles.

[@TheBeardofDOOM]

12 Foot Ninja is absolutely brilliant at genre-mashing

[@JayceLedet]

Watched some live clips, they don’t autotune his voice really and he sounds amazing. You can really hear him sing through the rapping

[@mrbungle3310]

Id be offended comparing igorrr and mr bungle with this industry plant crap... fuck sleep token

[@JayFFAFAlesanaES]

I like every band mentioned here and have done for a while... Except Eskimo Callboy. Who sincerely suck. Go check Hyperactive album by One Morning Left or even (going back now) Pedal to the Metal by Blessed by a Broken Heart for something similar but better.

[@Elephant_seel]

As a fan of Sleep Token, I do have to say you have valid points for constructive criticism. I personally think that they may undoubtedly leave some sort of mark in the metal scene that will likely influence future bands, and I too am looking forward for some change in the monotony of the songs so that they may increment their incredible showmanship. Love your vids!

[@wavesinthe5112]

Sleep token does suck

[@JesusHeKnowsMe]

Deftones with a gimmick

[@basiclemonade]

Sleep Token just makes me feel like I’m listening to heavy and even more self-indulgent Imagine Dragons.

[@endjentneeringclub]

That's a good thing right? I like Image dragons, they make cool music. ... I'm gonna get hate from the heavy metal community for saying that... F£+k it! Nickelback is the best death metal band! If I'm going down, I'm going down in style.

[@josejesushernandezbustillo9139]

​@@endjentneeringclubthere's no style if you named djent and say this bullshit >:(

[@endjentneeringclub]

@@josejesushernandezbustillo9139 but, I never mentioned Djent. Are you ok? Edit: oh, you mean my YT name. So what, I just randomly came up with it. What's that got to do with the fact that MGK is the heaviest metalcore artist that has ever existed and ever will. **Sounds of the sinking ship I'm on gets louder**

[@cottonking1768]

@@endjentneeringclub💀💀💀

[@chromesthesia]

Do y'all ever come up with any other comparison besides imagine dragons? It's deeply unimaginative. You got to expand your musical horizons. Not every vocalist has to should like they drink bleach and eat rocks for dinner. Haven't y'all heard Isley Brothers? Marvin Gaye? Dir en grey?

[@Shaze64]

THANK YOU Finally someone put into words EXACTLY how I feel about this band.

[@Malthiest]

Most overrated band in modern history.

[@davidhoffman6208]

​@@Malthiest I couldn't put it better myself

[@victrok5090]

​@@MalthiestReally? Most? I mean, I get it, I like them, but there's a lot of people making a bigger deal about them, but, really? Most over rated band in modern music?

[@TheDude044]

⁠@@victrok5090 They are incredibly overrated and wouldn’t haven’t half the fanbase they currently have without TikTok. They’ve got MAYBE another album release/tour cycle before their schtick finally gives out.

[@jake100xx]

Yep this band sucks so bad, I dont know how they are even successful when none of the songs have a proper chorus. These guys are a bunch of nerds. Music for gays

[@michaelmyers7425]

I was already tired of gimmicks after KISS. Slipknot was just another take on it. Mushroom Head blah blah blah.... Wanna be anonymous? Then just Play your music and don't put yourself in any media 🤷‍♂️ The vocoder voice thing is cringe as F

[@gunark]

They’re the musical equivalent of a book with a really interesting cover but Booktok landfill inside.

[@HiGlowie]

So true. I listened and was so disappointed.

[@Skeleton_Dork]

I think this is actually the first and only video I have ever seen that managed to change my opinion on a band. Bravo to you, for crafting an excellent video that truly communicates your points in a way that alters my perspective and allows me to take a step back and actually look objectively at what's happening with the music. Edit: Guy take the sticks outta your arses I still enjoy listening to the band, my god

[@BradleyHallGuitar]

Thanks so much man, that really means a lot!

[@Kieranh4424]

I love this video but i think if you genuinely change your opinion on a band or any art for that matter based on someone else’s input you’re not really enjoying music as much as you could be, liking what you like unapologetically is the best way to enjoy something so subjective like music.

[@bendetevz615]

If you enjoy it then enjoy it. Don't change your opinion because someone on the internet differs to you. You can understand his points and still have your own opinion lmao

[@cycomiles4225]

@@Kieranh4424 Theres not much to enjoy in Sleep Tokens music.

[@Skeleton_Dork]

The replies are missing the point here. Opinion is more than just how much you like something, but how you think about it . I still enjoy some of the music, but I no longer think of them as prog gods, ya know

[@pietandersen6120]

I just don’t think Sleep Token is for you man. As a lover of funeral doom, atmospheric black metal and post metal, who also finds guilty pleasure in djent and pop, Sleep Token is right up my alley, long winding soundscapes and simple but effective harmony, leading to explosions of emotion that still maintains the same sense of space. In my personal opinion, their strongest material is actually from before they went full trap on Take Me Back To Eden, back when even less was going on in the songs, Nazareth, Jericho and When The Bough Breaks are perfect songs in my opinion, and there’s even less going on in them than in the songs on TMBTE. I don’t think they need a Rick Ruben to dumb their songs down, they’re great as they are, The Summoning needs that long ambient break and the funk-down at the end to be special, and I, as well as millions of others clearly enjoyed it. They lavish in atmosphere, and while you may not like it, I think it’s great. If you’re into music with a lot of structural density and things happening all the time, which I am as well, Full of Hell, Knoll, Methwitch and Car Bomb are all great bands that make great music, then maybe Sleep Token just isn’t for you. But I have patience as a listener, and can also appreciate the genius in something simple, Frowning, Holy Fawn, Ahab and Wolves in the Throneroom all manage to capture my heart with their big soundscapes and ebb and flow songwriting, in the same way that Sleep Token does with their more pop and djent oriented timbres, melodies and riffs, imposed on similar structures to the aforementioned. The last thing I would want as a fan of Sleep Token, is a Sleep Token album with the same riffs and hooks built into more conventional ABABCB structures, I think that would make it a very monotonous and boring listen, with the payoffs feeling unearned. I do however agree with you that Take Me Back To Eden will end up aging much worse than for example the EP’s One and Two, due to the overuse of trap elements.

[@DannyB0y257]

They’re already boring to listen too don’t worry

[@takentactus8779]

@@DannyB0y257 sorry that we're not in the 80's listening to Metallica bro

[@harrybaggins666]

Thank you so much for saying all this. This is my point exactly. I think their sound just isn't for Bradley which is fine. But to say they suck? You're just incorrect at that point. They're very talented and very skilled. Again thank you for commenting all this

[@_Shnoids_]

@@takentactus8779I don’t hate sleep token, but Metallica and Sleep Token can’t be compared on any level. Metallica wasn’t just relevant in the 80’s. They technically didn’t even hit their most successful point in their career until 1991/1992 and they are more relevant today than ever before with every generation bringing in millions and millions of new fans. They are literally one of the biggest bands to ever exist. It’s possible that in 30 years people might say “hey, do you remember Sleep Token?” But no one will ever have to ask someone if they remember Metallica.

[@tim_robin]

To me, this sound reminds me of festival electronica like Porter Robinson and Illenium, which I love❤

[@adryxele9080]

Honestly I think they were extremely overhyped, and incredibly boring live, left halfway through their set

[@JesusHeKnowsMe]

I think they are trying too hard like they’re literally Deftones with a gimmick

[@DaPhatNerd]

OMG The Berzerker!! I remember seeing them play at my local Youth Center EV's in Croydon (Melbourne Australia) when I was 15! (23 years ago!) They blew my tiny little mind :P

[@terrydactyl2077]

Where did he mention Berzerker?

[@DaPhatNerd]

​@@terrydactyl2077 at 0:53 he uses an image of them :)

[@bbbrian9033]

@@terrydactyl2077 0:54 just an image

[@JN-qj9gf]

"Mushroom head"​@@terrydactyl2077

[@schlafenmochten8519]

I went to r/sleeptoken and now if someone says that Tools have the most cringe and embarassing fanbase I'd just laugh at them

[@seedythomp4388]

As a sleep token fan (I mean look at my profile pic) I unsubbed from their subreddit. When they blew up it became cringe overload

[@calebhohneke8482]

@@seedythomp4388 Lmao, the cringe surrounding the fanbase of this band really is a special kind of cringe. "WoRsHiP!!!"

[@M00nDanCR]

​@@calebhohneke8482I remember when Linkin Park was branded as cringe and every "trve" metalhead lost their minds when they got on the cover of the local metal magazine. I was one of those guys, I hated on them just because I wanted to not stick out and went with the majority vote. Now they are one of my favourite bands ever. Once I realized that my own taste mattered more than what other people think about a particular band, I felt freedom. And I don't think that the "Worship" thing is more cringe than "In Flames We Trust" or other fanbases' catchphrases, mascots or lores. I remember laughing at the MV of Holy Diver back when I was a dumb kid, but now I am old enough to appreciate the genius of Dio and his influence.

[@kintsugi3932]

Says the guy with that avatar.. This guy and people like you are the insufferable metal elitists. I think ST is highly overrated, but people like you and him are much more obnoxious.

[@janb.845]

I saw sleep token opening for slipknot last year. Their name is fitting because i almost fell asleep and couldnt wait for it to be over

[@JesusHeKnowsMe]

Deftones with a gimmick

[@brodieyake7735]

Shout out to In Absentia and The Raven That Refused To Sing. Those are two of the coolest albums ever. Porcupine Tree's run of albums from Stupid Dream all the way to their latest album is borderline Rush levels of consistent perfection.

[@adamswing6115]

TRTRTS is such a fucking good album you're so based and sexy

[@nickflaskett257]

Personally I think In Absentia and TRTRTS are the best things Steven Wilson's ever written. They're amazing. Although I haven't heard The Harmony Codex yet, which I've been hearing incredibly good things about

[@brodieyake7735]

​@@nickflaskett257 Raven is one of my all-time favorite albums. I was fortunate enough to meet Steven Wilson at a Newbury Comics in Boston shortly after Raven came out, and he autographed my vinyl copy of the album. Adam Holzman who played keys on the record was there, and he autographed the album as well; truly a masterpiece of contemporary progressive rock.

[@robertthompson5568]

Gavin Harrison is a drum God!

[@grantstarnes8732]

PREACH! You, my good sir, are absolutely, 💯 percent right. You hit every point i bring up when people get that confused look on their face when i say i don't like them lol

[@jaroslawmajkusiak629]

As a big Sleep Token fan and metalhead...they are not metal and that's great

[@endjentneeringclub]

They are some kind of ambient trap metal hybrid thingy, it's hard to pin down their sound into one genre. But whatever it is, I like it and that's all that matters in the end.

[@shimik11]

"real" metal (whatever the fuck that even means) sucks anyways, ill take any sub genre of it any day of the week.

[@coffinovbones]

​@@shimik11 huh?

[@BotwoonDestroyer]

​@@shimik11From my experience, what people consider real metal is usually metal without any outside influence from a completely different genre.

[@BotwoonDestroyer]

​@@shimik11So bands like Deicide, Cannibal Corpse, Mortician, and Toxic Holocaust are described as real metal because their only influences are other thrash and death bands. For example, Slipknot is influenced by alternative rock and a pinch of hip-hop as well, and because of that, many metalheads don't consider them "real metal.".

[@colourglue]

It's just another metal aesthetic band for people who can't digest the heavy stuff but still want to feel edgy. Personally not at all for me... I am not image focused and only care about sound and process. Just four-five guys with black t-shirts and comfy runners is all you need in metal to slay.

[@Victor-E-R]

100%

[@riff-_-5260]

This is so true, my gf loves sleep token and I cannot stand listening to them lol.

[@whatthemaze5450]

Bradley just curious what your thoughts are on Periphery? I saw the 2 being compared and couldn't believe it as a fan of Periphery but not ST, don't think they have many similarities.

[@alisthesia]

Sleep Token has a little bit of djent influence and Periphery's vocalist, Spencer, has a little bit of R&B influence. That's it. I'd say ST is closer to something like VOLA. They also give off a similar vibe to Deftones and other alt metal bands. Periphery takes the more mathcore-ish side of prog, like Sikth and Protest the Hero.

[@xvvolvenx]

​@@alisthesialike me some VOLA

[@chloeryanvtuber]

sleep token is more similar to Bad Omens than periphery lmao. Periphery is much more progressive and djent style, Sleep Token is a lot more ambient and simple

[@mvoronenko]

Their vocals are so very very annoyingly emo. Can't fool me with their occasional djent.

[@El_FzEq]

Thank you! This explains perfectly why I only like 2 of their songs. Glad I'm old enough to not get influenced by peers.

[@brbsnortingcatnip]

Sounds oddly like you're implying that those who like them only do so because their peers do.

[@NightSide1349]

@@brbsnortingcatnip That’s exactly it, I completely agree with that assessment of the band lol

[@riddles610]

Yes because people are investing hours of their precious time and their own hard-earned money just because other people like Sleep Token. You’re so smart, wow!

[@khaaaaaaaaaannn]

The only thing worse than Sleep Token's music are their fans. No Patrick, Vessel is not the second coming of Jesus

[@Attack-fb5rj]

The first word that came to mind when I tried to listen to their new album is Imagine Dragons metal.

[@Attack-fb5rj]

There is the issue that it also is kinda poppy in a way, with those metalcore and RnB elements, but it's not groovy or very hooky for me. If you compare this to for example btbma, which in my opinion combines genres in a really creative way, I feel like it's more diverse and "complex" and it's still way more groovy and catchy. For me at least. The soundscape of sleep token is also very default 2020s, which is also one factor, why it didn't feel like my kind of music.

[@billybarbier8275]

I just find them boring. I immediately change the channel when Liquid Metal plays them.

[@Shadowfoot83]

You articulated how I feel better than I could have, I agree there were a lot of "moments" on this album that were way cool but after a couple listens I got bored and forgot about it.

[@llloggingexcavation69]

I still hope thrash and death become the top metal subgenre again. Just not so cringe

[@yusufyusuf1998]

thrash is weird, it can be so good when done properly(rust in peace,never neverland,master of puppets,by inheritance) but with a lot of bands its just 00000000000 punk beat earrape to me

[@syntezjaofficial4240]

But do we need more bands that sound basically the same if we can listen big 4 instead.

[@llloggingexcavation69]

@@syntezjaofficial4240 they dont soubd the same this sounds the same

[@syntezjaofficial4240]

@@llloggingexcavation69 Give me example of new thrash metal band that isn't just copy of Metallica or Slayer

[@llloggingexcavation69]

@@syntezjaofficial4240 theres not many cause people dont have that taste anymore but theres toxic holocaust. They sound different from them. Kreator is from the 80s it sounded way different same with all the german bands. If you cant tell a difference between thrash bands you kinda are on the level of a pop hip hop fan who cant acknowledge music and thinks it "sounds the same"

[@harrybaggins666]

I look at them more as a pop group the incorporates metal and other genres into their music. I think they are good for modern metal and to help get people into heavier music. As a big fan of them I don't actually like every one of their songs or think everything they do is beyond everyone else. I think they're very skilled and talented and I'm curious to see more. I can understand why some people don't care for them/certain things they do. Also just because they take what they do seriously doesn't mean they're self important? I guarantee they don't think they're the next "evolution" of metal or music for that matter. I'd be willing to be they're just like most other bands: they got together with a vision for their art and people were attracted to it. They love music and art. Simple as that

[@jonahc2807]

They hated Fantano because he told them the truth.

[@eltonhill9970]

Sucks is definitely not too strong a word, if anything it's not strong enough

[@KillerTofuDrums]

I'm glad their stuff is finally getting addressed, I really liked a couple of the earlier releases, but even then you could hear that dull cop out style of writing lyrics, rhyming thesaurus in hand. They do have some songs that are Good as far as I'm concerned, but I do feel like some of their music is trying to hard to be complex that it just comes across as disingenuously complicated.

[@JesusHeKnowsMe]

They’re literally Deftones with a gimmick

[@thescreamingbluesman]

Finally, a KZbinr who isn't afraid to give their honest opinion rather than just jump on the whole "wow, Sleep Token are the 2nd coming of music" bandwagon which I think a lot of people are doing for the sake of retaining their subscribers.

[@paisleepunk]

comments like these, even if they agree with a video i agree with, always sound like they have an axe to grind that has jack FUCK to do with anything related to the original topic of contention, and idk, i just don’t vibe with that

[@endjentneeringclub]

​@@paisleepunk I know, I'm a fan of both Brad and sleep token. It seems like the internet is stuck in some insane binary state where you can't be a fan of 2 things. There are bitter metal gatekeepers out there making the whole metal scene divided and toxic. But we also have militant fans and cringe ticktock thirst-traps that make me so embarrassed to call myself a fan. Man, I just want to listen to my Vinyl collection in peace.

[@GojokeSatoru]

@@endjentneeringclub agree with your statement. I listen to Metal, K-pop, J-pop/rock, Hyperpop and Classical music. But there are sub genres of metal that I don't like especially Western Djent which includes constantly spamming low open strings like a brain-dead patient. I've listened to Japanese and Chinese djent where one doesn't do the same and it sounds so phenomenal.

[@chromesthesia]

​@@GojokeSatorudo you like Dir en grey? I only have one Dir en grey vinyl and I can't open it

[@endjentneeringclub]

@@chromesthesia can't open it physically or you can't bring yourself to do it?

[@Embryoyoyo]

0:53 I dont know why but seeing somebody remembering good old Berzerker makes me happy. Listening to fucked up music on youtube back in the days was something else

[@afterstars]

For me it’s just way too electronic and wayyyyy over produced. It’s wayb too digital sounding for me. Sounds like AI produced music.

[@Scrinwaipwr]

I've never even heard Sleep Token yet, just heard *of* them and even I knew what Bradley was going to say at 7:02

[@robertjmessenger]

sounds like hosier's emo phase

[@alexlucasmusic]

This whole video is a ploy to make us think Bradley isn’t secretly all of the members of Sleep Token. You ain’t fooling me.

[@lopez_guitar]

I don't agree with you in some things but that's the point, since music is so relative, all opinions (that have common sense) help us have variations. I love they don't sound like 90% of other metal bands, but I do agree they can improve in songwriting. Great video and really funny in some parts. Keep up the good work!

[@JackVGM]

I love Sleep Token but I don't mind listening to someone else's opinion even if I don't agree with most of it especially the more hyperbolic takes in the video 😅I'm definitely not always in the mood to listen to them all the time because of the pacing compared to more conventional metal/metalcore music but I think it kinda comes down to how much you enjoy the less metal moments in their music. If you don't like those parts then you're not gonna want to sit and listen to an 8 min song where only part of it is what you enjoy so I get that, just personally myself and many others do like those parts of their songs as well as the more intense parts.

[@TheAccursedEntity]

There's a reason they're called SLEEP Token... 👁️👄👁️ I'm out, again...

[@gerritfitness2111]

Thanks for the video. I have heard some of their stuff, but I just thought "Meh"... I could not specifically put my finger on it what annoyed me. But you nailed it. It was the lack of consistent enjoyment with all the interruptions to make it sound more special... I had always a little bit the idea of a badly written ode to Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody.

[@brodaciousmax8025]

U summed this up nicely. At 1st i thought this was metal 4 non metal fans. I'd like to see a diagram of fan cross over sleep token and 5 finger death punch. 4 some reason this hit me hard listening to token.

[@Booya456]

I believe in this era people take music way too seriously. And pigeon hole artist to a point they can only sound one kind of way with little breathing room. I appreciate ST for having a different dynamic. Having the creative freedom to sound however they want. It's okay to not like a band, but now everyone is a top tier music critic with the most singular and vague criticisms that frankly don't make any sense.

[@laurisaarinen1126]

You have a point, but i think people also MAKE music too serious nowadays. I miss bands that didn't take themselves that seriously.

[@nickg2308]

​@@laurisaarinen1126 What band makes music too seriously? Maybe older ones like Metallica, Megadeth and the like. At the end of the day, I'd rather have someone listen to sleep token than most other "musical artists".

[@Booya456]

@@laurisaarinen1126 In your validation, I mean there are plenty of musicians that aren't that serious. Electric Callboy is a great example of that. As any entertainment is, it's up to your discretion, and that's okay. Music is a reflection of your personality and how you feel comfortable.

[@VoidHxnter]

Yeah that's what I find disappointing about modern day music. People, especially metalheads I find a lot of the time, are afraid of change. A lot of them want their genre to stay in its own lane and not stretch out so that it doesn't get boring. Which, in my opinion, makes it the most boring piece of garbage you can make. A lot of bands my metal head friends recommend to me just sound so cookie cutter nowadays because they are afraid to branch out into new styles, and I just get bored of it. Which is why I like some of the stuff published by Napalm Records so much. Dwarf metal? Hell yeah. I'll put on some Wind Rose. Pirate metal? Sounds weird, but it's executed great by Alestorm. They're great, because they don't take themselves seriously, they just have pure childish fun.

[@alexdoorn234]

@@VoidHxnter Yeah you have a point with that I find a lot of older Blind Guardian fans hate their newer albums because it became more symphonic and progressive while newer fans hate the newest album because it goes back to their thrash/speed metal roots. People hate change and that is pretty sad, personally I love the way Blind Guardian evolved unafraid to change their approach to music. And my other favourite band Lord Of The Lost literally changes genre and look every album I once met someone that didn't like their Blood and Glitter album so I told him to listen to the more dark and atmospheric Judas album instead and he liked that one much better. I have my prefrences with bands I will not deny that but I do so love the change that some of my favourite bands dare to do.

[@owenhines9185]

Sleep token is to metal what imagine dragons is to rock and roll

[@supercat1263]

Facts.

[@ShrubPlays]

That's a pretty good take. They have some decent songs but overall... Yikes. Cutthroat is a banger song idc

[@JesusHeKnowsMe]

I think they are trying too hard like they’re literally Deftones with a gimmick

[@brezengirl]

I agree at some points, especially on the melodramatic boredom that some Songs create. They just need a little kick from a good Producer and they would blow up even more. My favourites are Songs like Vore or the Offering.

[@nickflaskett257]

Rick Rubin could possibly do them good then. He won't record a track until he's convinced it's as well written as it can be (most of the time, but everyone has the odd miss)

[@Dweebus84]

I personally enjoy the band, but I definitely agree with some of your points. I’m not sure if they were wanting to go with “jarring” as a transition method, or “drudgery” as a way to do their interludes, but it definitely comes across that way. I’m choosing to interpret the “future of metal” statement more as “this band is inspiring up and coming musicians to think outside the genre box a bit more”…not so much that they themselves will be the ones to be the future, but more of a stepping stone. Are there way better examples? Oh sweet Christ yes, but this music is definitely far more accessible (read easy to digest) to people than Meshuggah, Animals As Leaders, etc. I think they’ve got some good stuff going on, but I agree with you, that with some tweaks and refinement, these guys could really crank out some bangers.

[@tacoforce5]

i like extreme confidence in one’s aesthetic and sound but a good deal of modern metal (core and djent lmao) is what happens when you’re *over*confident in your stuff.

[@ApothecaryTerry]

Ah, Sleep Token, the sort of band I love, right up until I unmute. All I'm saying is that if you go on dating apps and see interests = metal, then scroll down and see Sleep Token, that's an easier left swipe than "oh I just want to buy a camper van and be as far from a flushing toilet as possible". Like Taylor Swift or Justin Bieber though, I can only have huge respect for them: if you can be this successful, without actually producing anything good, you are clearly a business genius. Potentially a musical one too, these people are all very talented, it's just that the music they publicly release is garbage... It's music for the same people who want to be "nerds" yet have literally no idea what that means. "Oh I listen to metal" - do you now. I'm no elitist, you listen to what you like, but you do at least have to be able to justify that you even really like it for a reason other than "I like other people seeing me like it" which is all Sleep Token are. That said, I kinda like the 2 tracks Korn did with Skrillex, so I'll accept that my opinion is pretty much invalid.

[@ej1_drew]

truth

[@cycomiles4225]

Great comment.

[@cobrasys]

"I like other people seeing me like it" really is the best description for this type of mentality (which I find very off-putting).

[@cycomiles4225]

@@cobrasys Because its fake.

[@everise3439]

Well, it’s KORN.

[@foreveroutdated5739]

Thank you for making this video. I regretfully clocked on one of their songs to see what the fuss was about. I just became irritated instead of enjoying it due to the angsty Trap beat Djent BS. Thanks again, someone had to say it

[@dp1381]

You’re right. They suck. Being popular or successful these days means nothing. People’s sensibilities have been so far degraded that popularity is more likely a sign of trash than quality.

[@singaporeghostclub]

💯 The singing makes me feel sick.

[@weebsarecringe2102]

I mean there are peopling liking Megadeth and Nickleback so ye, probably even you.

[@kirakiraaa_]

@@weebsarecringe2102Megadeth is actually good

[@noxsilentium6550]

​@@kirakiraaa_ Eh... I respect your opinions, but no.

[@kirakiraaa_]

@@noxsilentium6550 I respect urs as well

[@choimdachoim9491]

Your voice is so calming and relaxing for me at the end of my difficult working day. And, you present your points of view and analysis so brick by brick, carefully constructed, that a listener can only agree with everything you present. I wish politics had more people like you in it. As they say over there..."Brilliant!"

[@derekm424]

Are we watching the same channel? This guys voice is annoying and condescending... To me at least 😅

[@choimdachoim9491]

@@derekm424 Perhaps my humor escapes you?

[@derekm424]

@@choimdachoim9491 nahhh I get you now. We are kindred brothers 😂. My first thought when I saw this anus was my God, how pretentious and annoying can someone be? Especially when it comes to taste in music?... On the Internet, apparently the skys the limit. Sorry, your comment originally caught me so off guard because, I just couldnt even fathom. After giving a lil more thought tho, you make perfect sense. Cheers 🥂.

[@choimdachoim9491]

@@derekm424 I will add that the guy I made the comment about appreciated the humor so he's not all bad. And, at least he's not boring. Many presentors speak so slowly I have to watch them at double-speed.

[@derekm424]

@@choimdachoim9491 yeah, I get that... I mean I'm not going to hold this one video against the guy, because I appreciate differences in opinion. It's what makes us great as a species. . . I need to find out if he has shitty taste in music though. Lol, I must admit, I can be quite harsh, especially over music.

[@bowiesensei5574]

Sleep token is boring i genuinely dont understand how theyre so popular

[@joelcr2383]

I've never seen that LG on WWTB a Millionaire meme, and I'm crying now. Funny af.

[@eversosleight]

I agree the hype is too big for what's on offer 😮

[@emptysymbol]

While I do agree that their potential has yet to be fulfilled I still like their current sound. I still like "This Place Will Become Your Tomb" better than "Take Me Back to Eden" but not by a whole whole lot. Im excited to see what they do next.

[@Allen7]

For me personally, boring band...dont like it, and not metal to me

[@definingslawek4731]

That funk outro in the summoning is what hooked me on the band ahaha.

[@SuperstarrDJ]

Now this, is real metal!

[@MrJBLH]

For genre blending bands I'm more keen on Diablo Swing Orchestra personally, very eclectic but always fun can only describe them as a mix of swing, symphonic metal, progressive rock and countless other things. Hard to pin down!

[@artunblock9433]

Great band, they don't have a single bad album

[@mattsal2070]

I’m kind of on the fence about out them. I do like some of their stuff but I really agree about the pacing needing work. Some of their songs start with a rap like verse, then there’s a short guitar chug part and then back to rap. It just doesn’t work super well most of the time. Their image is pretty cool, but they need to tighten up their music a bit and decide if they want to be pop or metal

[@Zombiemurderer]

I think it's stupid that a non metal band tries to dress up with mask like they're metal. Non a fan of their music.

[@rupbhatt]

As you said, they are just boring. I tried to listen to them in Apple music and by the third song i was bored. I am perplexed by the reception from reaction channels for Sleep Token.

[@freshskittles92]

I genuinely cannot stand Sleep Token or their fan base being so mad about any critique you have masks and visual gimmicks are stupid, their music is over produced and generic

[@EverestBlizzard]

I agree totally! I enjoy a little bit of their stuff but once youve listened to stuff like Igorrr, little genre bends and the like are completely par for the course, and with little to no payoff it becomes pointless

[@FeelingShred]

I will dread the day when major Metal festivals and Rock festivals in general start putting this band on Headliner spot and then we will be forced to endure a set from them before seeing the band we actually are there to see

[@hoangal]

Respect, i really do love this band. Dearly. Can't argue with someone who can at least appreciate musicianship for what it is. We all got our own tastes and these guys just happen to be the emotional catalyst i needed when i was in a rough patch. Some of your critiques were spot on, and hilariously delivered. 😅

[@cisne_sonoro]

I feel sorry for you liking this. It is really boring and all about looks and branding.

[@beakfast6978]

@@cisne_sonoroCool, rent free.

[@derekm424]

For what they are, a gimmick band ... They are awesome and their music is deeper than most metal will ever go. JS. . . Opinions are like a holes.... Everybody has one.

[@HeyItsTheWykydtron]

I like Sleep Token, please don't throw beans at me

[@artunblock9433]

It's okay to like a band

[@davidala7877]

Sleep token sounds like they should be in a jeep commercial

[@DavidTheDraconic]

Thank you for sharing your opinion. For a long Time, I thought im the only one who has Problems with this Band. I mean, sure, Crossovers are great and there are some very, very good examples, like Khonsu with their unbelievable underrated Album The Xun Protectorate or Apocalyptica, who are mixing Metal with Classical Music, which i really appreciate, because those are my two Favourite Genres. But Sleep Token where somehow Boring and the Music sounded AI-Generated. I didnt knew, why i felt like this, but thanks to you, i finally know why. Greetings from Germany.

[@Jor...]

I am an old schooler 53.... but I do like em alot but not metal

[@Fleato]

idk maybe it's because I am someone who likes a wide range of music but I loveee this band. super vibey stuff, heavy enough stuff, I like what they do.

[@christopherdavis8530]

I'm seeing a common ground between all the people who are worked up about Sleep Token. They're all strictly metal heads. Big hair, black graphic tees. Most of his video is just him being mad he has to wait a couple minutes for his serotonin rush. He's cool about it though, so no hate.

[@chonk5931]

I completely agree. It’s really only the “true metal Heads” that shit on sleeptoken the most lmao

[@PeteBaldwin]

It's exactly because you are someone who likes a wide range of music.... Sleep Token are really good at what they do but the second they were mis-labelled as a metal band, they were always going to be seen as a threat by some. This very video mentions "the future of metal" as if Sleep Token are going to take over and metal as we know it will no longer exist but that's obviously not going to happen.

[@CreativeMindsAudio]

Well said! Never could get into them or 2020s metal. Just feels all over the place for me. I guess I’m just old now 😂.

[@augenmaugen]

Thank you, thank you. You’re my hero Bradley!

[@will420high4]

Sleep Token and Ghost made me stop trying to look for new bands, if this is what sells I'm good...

[@joeylummox7330]

🎯 💯 🎯 💯

[@dasphantom3179]

Tbh this was my first thought on them when I firstly listened to them. But I think those long songs (especially TmbtE) are a bit misunderstood here. The ambience is there to fit to the theme of the album, and I dont really understand your point that is should klimax earlier on. Its the titletrack thats meant to be epic and with the references to Chokehold the full circle of the album. As far as I interpret it the theme of the album is a broken relationship that has come to an end (comes obvious in the rnb part in the titletrack), and now he wants to come back to Eden, where his life went all well. Alone with this thought and feeling in mind the whole ambience has a completely different effect and takes you with it. And expressing all the anger and frustration in the end of the song is just perfect. Gives me chills always. So yeah, see your point but I guess thats just the view at the surface, but to really feel and understand it you have to like long songs and understand the theme thats dircussed and not just say that it is boring and too long. (maybe I just listened to much Dream Theater :3)

[@EveReznor]

Not gonna lie, Brad's right on this one. Had a phase for Sleep Token, worship and stuff but lately I don't come back to listen to them that often anymore. Instead I'm going more for Dream Theater instead if I want some progressive goodiness. What can I add? He said everything. And maybe Brad's like to pose as a clown most of a time, this shows actually his musicial maturity and knowledge about the stuff he's talking about :D.

[@ghuldorgrey]

Because Sleep Token isnt even Metal.

[@Bruh-ob9mi]

Fuck yeah, Dream Theater! Now that’s metal!

[@LontrinhaOzadaotaria]

Makes a whole video just to bullshit a band for nothing = "maturity" I'm not into this worship thing, but I see sleep token as a gateway band for the new generation, never knew bradley would be so imature to attack someone for clicks. If you don't like stay away from it, simple, this is maturity, just by the fact that this comment section is filled with sleep token haters I can see how imature this whole thing is, but no, let's hate something just because is popular right ? Well, enjoy your egos, I'll go back to my japanese bands as always (btw, check Knosis), american stuff is to toxic for me, bye o/

[@EveReznor]

@ghuldorgrey It has metal influences but not that many. That's why we could call it alternative/progressive metal in this case. It's same case with Muse. Muse is not exactly rock to speak.They experiment so much that I can't call them rock. But alt/prog rock is good genre to describe them.

[@EveReznor]

@LontrinhaOzadaotaria Everybody has their opinion. Thanks for yours too. I wouldn't say he shitted on them. you love them and Others not so much. And that's ok.

[@Wagoo]

I've tried a few times to get into Sleep Token (including seeing them live in 2019 when they were a preband).. but nothing really has stuck so far

[@GrapeFlavoredAntifreeze]

Yeah its because you have an ear, they’re not very good at all

[@kirakiraaa_]

As someone who has never listened to Sleep Token, I can confirm

[@quinnk8332]

I agree with this take yeah, great take and video! Keep it up

[@gabriellobo4508]

The Problem with modern music is not that Sleep Token may or may not be a good band, the problem is that if Sleep Token is considered to have somewhat of a role in the Metal Community is because the metal scene has become really poor compared to past decades, the same happens to people talking about Ghost or Babymetal, I'm not saying that there aren't any good bands these day, but if Sleep Token is the most flamboyant band in a scene that doesn't belong to them then maybe we should rethink what metal has become now

[@cycomiles4225]

I miss guys in wife beaters and girls decked in leather duking it out on stage. Sleep Token puts me to sleep.

[@LaepsynPaepsyn]

Where can I buy those incognito sunglasses? They look very cool and I didn't recognise you anymore after you put them on so they clearly work!

[@anoid226]

"Ambient Section" is just code for "lazy, cringe, runtime-padding boring interlude" and ST is not the first to turn me completely off with them.