Slide Inn Pod Ep. 5: Knowing Your Forage Base & Reactive vs. Food Based Bites

[@tommycraig783]

2:42 Larry is absolutely the man! His shop is awesome. Snake River fly, top notch guys in there.

[@cuz3392]

Great job with the podcasts. Please keep them coming!

[@jimholland1592]

Merry Christmas to all the crew great content enjoy the new podcasts.😉☕️☕️

[@bobwyatt1000]

Great stuff on researching the forage base. Excellent.

[@mikehester4163]

Merry Christmas, Great Podcast.

[@PeteJazdzyk]

I have watched and enjoyed all of Kelly's fishing and tying videos, I've enjoyed the podcasts, including Mill House the most.

[@PeteJazdzyk]

Liked "keeping the fire" comments. My "white whale" was hooked jigging with a 9' 9wt that I couldn't move off the bottom. After what seemed like 5 minutes of head shaking (likely 2) the hooked pulled free. At the end of my days I'll be found floating in a river, looking for it.😂

[@RidgidRon]

Merry Christmas everyone. I am tea and coffee type guy. Coffee during the day and decaffeinated earl grey in the evening.

[@jasonhauser748]

Great episode, thanks for all the talking. ive had a few “fish on first cast” steelhead days with not even a hint of a bite afterwards….and yes that is demoralizing and frustrating.

[@Bleda412]

I appreciate the new podcast and want to explain why. When watching fly fishing in action, I'm pretty much only interested in low-budget, quiet, POV videos. I'll watch a more elaborate instructional video only when I want to learn something, not just to pass the time. I much prefer the podcast, Q&A series, and fly tying series to your fly fishing videos.

[@bobwyatt1000]

Good one, guys. The reference to comp bsss anglers is really interesting.

[@briancasey5908]

Loving these podcasts, thanks guys. Can you please discuss your approach for fishing streamers in winter?

[@LineSpeedJediTimRawlins]

Great tips as always

[@cjgambill]

thank you guys!

[@markoutflytyingandfishinga1105]

Another great episode guys. I like the format. I can listen and learn without having to watch. On an upcoming episode can you talk about wade fishing frog water with streamers? There is a ton of that water on my home river the Bitterroot. There's large fish holding there that I have seen on my occasional float.

[@leviweidkamp8884]

Same here, would love to also know the difference in fishing rivers like the bitterroot with streamers compared to slower rivers with less wood

[@HarleyJetSled]

30:23 😂😂merry Christmas Jonny!

[@kevin8536]

Love the discussion! If I could gather again my trout buds, this is exactly the wide ranging discussions we'd have. And we would throw each other under the bus as we went, because we were freed by our time on the water to do so! And with great humor! Which is key. I was walking on this free-your-ass morning in Vermont listening to EP. 5, I was thinking of my buds and you and Braedon: bold, real, sincere and funny! As I walked, I started to laugh at the idea that we'd have a Podcast titled; "Jerks Stripping". Show your stuff or go home! Thx so much for this! Thinman VT

[@ktvlm3987]

hopefully you caught one on your walk!

[@bobwyatt1000]

Crayfish stuff is great. Especially the light dark thing. Thinking flies for NZ, where they're called Koura. Major forage item.

[@academicmailbox7798]

There's a Venn diagram aspect to it, which might help illustrate 'what is going on' in fly fishing (as much as I like that 'food bite', versus non- food bite distinction, as a way to help the modern angler). It's also help to explain 'how' many conventions were abandoned and busted up, in going to 'the modern' streamer angler thing. In reality, one has to think of a boxing sport analogy first, what Teddy Atlas once described as 'the delivery system' (his job as a boxing trainer wasn't to train his competitors how to throw a punch at a certain point, to become contenders it's assumed that is something the individual can do). What Teddy explained, is the opponent has studied his fighter, to an extent to which the opponent's team know what punches the contender has. And the opponent's trainer spends time with his champion, training that champ how to develop counter strategies, to defend the kinds of punches they will see coming. What Teddy's fighter now has to develop 'is a delivery system' to wrap around that punch, so that it becomes more difficult for the other opponent to defend against, or even see coming. Until it's too late to counter. Everything in terms of line, rod and fly lure until very recently was a delivery system. What modern streamer anglers did, was they changed all of that. And that is where a Venn diagram is required.

[@academicmailbox7798]

What we had until the 80's and 90's in fly fishing were lines, rods and lures who's task was all tied up, or related to delivery of that system, to a position at which the fish could see it. And the odd thing was, as soon as the rod had completed 'the cast', as soon as the line had finally landed on the water, and the leader and fly were swimming, . . every part of that 'infrastructure' that was useful, that had been 'an asset' until that specific point in time. After that point in time, all of the infrastructure needed to deliver the system, it all started to instantly become a liability on to itself. The rod was motionless, it was ruled out of the picture (like a bad football or basketball player sent to the sideline for time out). The fly line itself became another atrocious liability on to this whole enterprise, as soon as 'the cast' was completed. Except, unlike the fly rod, we couldn't exactly send the line to the sin-bin. It was still out there on the court of play, creating all kinds of fowls and penalties, which the angler was liable for. The leader, even though it was the thinnest, most innocent looking by appearance member of this basketball team who had the whistle blewn against it. Because the leader was closest to the fish, and to the lure, . . fly angling at top level was mostly about mitigation of risk of self-inflicted damage, which 'the leader' was capable of doing. And 'the fly' itself had, has and always will have all sorts of probkems. It floats too well, it doesn't float enough etc. Ideally speaking, in traditional fly fishing if there was a magic switch you could flip, where you had all of the tackle for 'the cast', and then by some magic, you could make it all disappear for a few critical seconds. That was the holy grail of traditional style fly fishing. That's what we practiced to achieve, that magic trick. We wanted 'the cast' to be one hundred percent about delivery in the most efficient way. And then all of that infrastructure and training, and skill needed to create a delivery system. Then when 'the cast' was completed, we needed that infrastructure to suddenly vanish into thin air. Which was impossible, but it is what weaimed for.

[@academicmailbox7798]

The point of the 'Venn diagram' (the cast, the fly manipulation, and the hooking, playing of the fish all represented 'by circles' on this diagram), is that you wanted the infrastructure of rod, line, leader and fly to exist in the first circle of this diagram. You wanted the rod, line, leader and hook to re-appear in the third circle of the diagram. But the trick was to make the second circle (manipulation of the system, by the system), to not exist at all. Or if it did exist, then to minimize it as much as we could. What does the Venn diagram appear like in modern streamer fly angling? The second circle of this diagram, becomes the crucial component in all of it. That's how much what Kelly Galloup and others did, Jac Forde and all of these guys, that's how much they broke theexisting mold. Around which everything from top to bottom, tackle, training, methods, publications, inherited wisdom and common sense, all had previously and for as long as anyone could remember, had revolved around. What modern streamer angling does (this is why 'contact' fly fishing as a term had to be invented), . . was that at that precise second, that the cast has been completed, suddenly 'all' of the infrastructure is then required. In order to create the behavior that is sought after. That takes centuries of previously received wisdom, and throws it out of the window. That's dramatic. In the past, the delivery system was both a huge asset, and the instant that the cast was completed, that same system turned itself into a liability (what we would do as fly anglers could be summed up in the simple phrase, damage limitation). That's what a 'size 20' fishing hook is for, and a finer tippet, a longer leader. Or a tapered one, which as Brian Fleshig would emphasize can benefit from a weak butt, designed to become a hinge in order to not transfer energy forward to the fly. What he termed as non- contact fly fishing. Because Kelly and company broke the furniture so badly, in what fly fishing used to be like, we are forced to invent vocabulary in order to describe it's effects.

[@zugbug7]

One you may have forgot, Joe Brooks

[@troymoore1081]

Can’t wait for an hour+ of ball busting next week… that’s what having fishing buddies is all about!

[@ericlong9085]

Hi lads, really enjoying the podcasts, question for you Kelly,so when you go streamer fishing and it's not happening and the fish are taking flies off the surface, will you stick with the streamers or switch over to dry fly.

[@kellygalloup6073]

Eric, generally when set out to fish streamers it’s an all day event for me, and likewise with my dry days. If I’m streamer fishing I’m usually hunting for a big fish and seldom even pack other types of rods

[@ericlong9085]

In other words, don't get distracted,i hear you, thanks for the reply 🙏

[@SKragseth]

Loved it! See you on the next one

[@TightLinesNW]

Good stuff guys. I'm really enjoying this so far.

[@NathanErskine-pv6zy]

I wanna see Jonny streamer fish on the fly show

[@theclordj12]

Sliding In, should be the name..

[@RoxMvPRoY2007]

Do you guys ever fish tandem streamers, regulations permitting?

[@TrucksandDucks]

Kelly’s trailing fly is called smoke wagon it’s like a single hook barely legal. Works great on its own too.

[@RoxMvPRoY2007]

Thank you!

[@jeremywalker7791]

Can we get an origin story episode or episodes on kelly, Johnny, some of the guides. Where they grew up, what got them into fly fishing...etc.

[@jeffersonstowers5321]

April Vokey did an Anchored podcast session interviewing John. Pretty much his life story; at least what he wanted to share. Cool interview.

[@jeremywalker7791]

@jeffersonstowers5321 thanks ill check it out

[@academicmailbox7798]

A couple of things, we think that gear tackle anglers on fiberglass boats are 'going all out there' using as many as a dozen rods. Those guys see it different. To an extent to where they will tell you 'how busy' their life becomes. Why? In order 'to avoid' have thirty-six rods on their boat decks, and the fact that hauling that many rods around the nation would become difficult. They will explain, they spend a lot of time 'out of hours' between fishing time, trying to re-line and re-tie all of their lines, lures, hooks etc. Why? Because, twelve or so rods on the deck, is the number of rods they arrive at 'when' they've decided all of the lures, they leave out. Twelve rods, is actually 'the thirty six' whittled down for simplicity's sake. Another thing I heard recently (some of these anglers talk about fishing in lakes in Mexico, South America where bass there receive only a fraction of fishing pressure, and how differently that fish behave in those environments. One angler explained, that fishing very shallow or quite deep was his areas of excellence in lake angling. As he believed in north America, he may come across fish in these harder to reach places, that maybe did not see as many baits. The 'mid' water depth of seven to twelve feet he said, he couldn't manage (a lot of people apparently fish the medium depths, to a point where fish don't respond to baits there). It's not that, there aren't fish in mid-depth ranges, maybe the majority exist there. But they've been schooled the most over the fish lifetimes. One champion angler would 'buy' all of the new gear lures that came out for mid-depth ranges. One of each, and fish them. When he found a brand new lure that worked, he said he had a few months of time maybe, before fish became conditioned to it too. And that was basically the only way to exist in the mid depth ranges, where you could find something different to do. I also suspect that most forage exists in mid depth ranges, meaning that fish are large size, but also have plenty to feed on. It was only something totally new, and only for a brief time, that would make those fish react.

[@johnnylightning1491]

Could guys do a segment, or maybe a whole show, on knots. Attaching the leader to the fly line, attaching the sections of the leader together and finally, and what I'm most interested in, attaching the fly to the tippet. Merry Christmas guy and keep the good stuff coming.

[@anisenkrill6179]

I've been fishing JJ's for 30 years. I haven't found any difference between bicolored tails vs. solid tails or long vs short tails. I like a dark short 3/4"-1" tail with 8-12 strands of crystal flash on the bottom.

[@jevans4379]

Why is Jonny not a special guest on this show?

[@TheSlideinn]

Next week

[@Scoopswift]

Welcome back to the Kelly Galloup Jelqing Hour

[@trbowlin]

Stripping vs. licking is how I think of my streamer retreives.

[@jimalberts3306]

I am introducing my 10 year old granddaughter to fly fishing and I would love to have her listen to your podcast, as always they are full of very useful information . But I won't due to your language. You appear to be a reasonably intelligent man and you have to know your podcast is simply an extension of your business. Do you talk like this to your customers in your shop? Fly fishing is such small niche segment of the economy and is dependent strictly on discretionary income I would think you would be more cognizant of how your on camera behaviour would resonate with many people.

[@erikb547]

Lady Grey 100%

great crayfish episode thank you

[@johnnylightning1491]

Just one more comment here on the size of a fish's brain, it's about the size of a green pea. So not lots of grey, or in the case of fish, at least the one I dissected, white matter.