Slide Inn Q&A #3 - Choosing the Right Hooks for Streamers with Kelly Galloup

[@italiantroutaholic8926]

I was always told the tail is what the larger fish go for on a kill or meal. .Your version made better sense than what i was told.

[@BrianOHanlon]

The point about the Tiemco hook being suited to certain streamer patterns is a good one. I've looked at the salmon patterns they use mostly now in Norway, Sweden and parts of Russia, and you do notice a similar thing going on there, as Mr Galloup explained about streamer fishing. In fact, with the Switch rods and lines they use more and more nowadays, and the hooks getting closer and closer up towards head of salmon flies in large Scandinavia rivers, it has all gone very like what is described with streamers for trout and resident species. Years ago, the streamer patterns and older salmon patterns were not do different. Main difference was, that streamers did have as heavy an iron, to forge the hook itself, which is relevant to weight and depth of fishing, style of retrieve.

[@amaturemusicians]

"This fly is going to slim down to Nothing" Good laugh for the day. Thank you sir

[@BrianOHanlon]

The universal predator hook, is a finer wire hook. And they are used in smaller sizes, but same style of hook a lot with dry patterns, for hatches of larger Mayflies in Ireland. Yeah, those Partridge hooks, longer shanks, Aberdeen types of bends are used to create large lake dry/wet patterns used off of drifting boats - on large windswept lakes, with giant rolling waves going across such lakes - and trout sometimes travel a long ways up from below, attracted by such patterns. Its back to the ideas as explained by Mr Galloup, biomass and water columns. Talking about running water here as opposed to still water, and minnows instead of large Mayfly hatches. But I think if you look at larger Irish lake Mayfly patterns in wet dry style, you'll find quite a few Aberdeen style hooks too.

[@BrianOHanlon]

The finer wire weight in the later lake wet dry patterns is essential component of fly design, in preference to the heavier gauge wire hooks, the one zero hook shown in another video, that was same as one in the Partridge predator one size. In Irish lakes, thing is of course, from the drifting boats, short casts and heavy winds across rolling waves, to 'work' the fly somewhere around the surface or close to it, and create a disturbance enough to draw fish up from bottom zone in those lakes. It's amazing though, that in streamer fishing its gone from the heavier wire hook, to the lighter wire Partridge hooks that we have for various applications over here.

[@gibbyutah]

Thanks Kelly, great video!

[@TomNavesink]

This may be a little off topic but I would like to ask if you ever use an offset hook? I have been tying about a year ago and I mostly use Gamikatsu, AHREX and Umpqua hooks. I fish salt water in Florida or large mouths in ponds. I recently got a bunch of reasonably priced hooks that seemed suitable for the fish I target,but they are offset. I started tying with them and they seemed OK for something like a clouser. Recently I started stacking deer hair and I did a couple of Dahlberg divers with them and I found it difficult to tie w them. Do you have any thoughts on this? Thank you

[@jjlebreton]

Great stuff! Thanks again for the insight.

[@shahrilmohamad992]

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[@crazy8606]

Hey, I've been fly tying for a while now and for some reason I can't get the hair spun as good and shape the heads of the articulated and streamers like the zoo cougar. Do you have any tips for me? Also when I put on the collar it's wants to flare. What am I doing wrong. Thanks

[@johnnylightning1491]

I know I'm really, really late to this party but I have a question. Almost to a person every fly tier on the Internet says that fish take flies from the front and thus the need for the eye. But every video I see of fish actually striking a lure the fish comes from the the rear or the side. I'm confused. I understand that the fish will need to swallow the prey head first but I don't see them taking the bait from the head. Am I missing something?

[@TheSlideinn]

Johnny, most of the time river fish hit the fly from the side near the head, they often hit it to stun it and will then hold to kill it and then eat it or let it go and drop below it to eat it head first, depending how the fish is in its mouth. Many of their food sources have spiny dorsal fins so they can not eat them tail first. Of course they can break the rule, but generally speaking they will aim for the front of the bait fish to stun it. thanks, KG

[@markjacobson8461]

Bam!