SLIP TEST - Kia Stinger 3.3 V6 AWD vs Mercedes AMG E43 3.0 V6 4Matic -

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Two cars from different segments but very similar in nature - powerful twin turbo engines (3.3 & 3.0), huge power (366 HP & 401 HP), huge torques (510 Nm & 520 Nm) and mostly important - rwd biased, high performance AWD systems.

[@walp86]

Nice videos! Can you try Volvo V60 D5 Twin engine, or V60 D6 Hybrid which both have selective RWDelectric/FWDdiesel AWD? Thank you! :)

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@walp86 I will try if I find such cars...

[@zMeul]

+1 for KIA

[@heartcomedy5]

Antonio Farina, +1 for shut up

[@jaredshelton4718]

@Antonio Farina You must be talking about that thing in your profile pic 🤣.

[@jaredshelton4718]

Kia Stinger for me

[@Ahelot]

Keep it up! Very interesting and educative channel as well as comment section :))

[@brunomema7692]

I like how cheaper brand AWD beat Premium brands like Quattro or 4matic

[@marcingruba7391]

On the road that mean nothing

[@brunomema7692]

Marcin Gruba it depends on the type of road ;)

[@marcingruba7391]

@@brunomema7692 its not off-road car

[@brunomema7692]

Marcin Gruba i know hahah just joking

[@Olppa]

quattro would have gotten off with 1 wheel on ground

[@MrGunzngirlz]

A Limited slip differential would've really helped them in the final test.

[@maithem212]

Love your videos. What is the factor that determines which AWD car can and cannot succeed in the three roller test? (I'm asking from mechanical point, ignoring things such as Traction Control, etc.) I.e. most of these cars use multiplate clutch; when only one wheel has traction, is the clutch slipping? E.g. why can Subaru's with multiplate clutch and VDC succeed, yet other cars (e.g. Sportage) that use multiplate clutch and VDC not succeed?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Traction control cannot be ignored cause in fact that is one of two factors. There are many cars which has the same awd system (mechanics), only software is different. Software means clutch operation and traction control operation. And their correlation.

[@subazealand9158]

Awesome video, as always! Love the clarity you guys answer in your comment sections. I was thinking the AWD was going to be very similar, but def looks Kia made it better! :)

[@ivangamer8022]

sure thing kia advertesment team

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@ivangamer8022 Where is it?

[@ivangamer8022]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers you are

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@ivangamer8022 Really? So... Am I also Jeep advertisement team here? kzbin.info/www/bejne/mmnagYeGbs9lr5I Am I also Mitsubishi advertisement team here? kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6S1h3SfmZyAeNU Am I also Audi advertisement team here? kzbin.info/www/bejne/rYapdmmPaLR3d8k Am I also Dacia advertisement team here? kzbin.info/www/bejne/omjSZ6itbrJ-r7M Am I also Suzuki advertisement team here? kzbin.info/www/bejne/eYuWZGuLq7J8bq8 Am I also Hyundai advertisement team here? kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZ-bpJyIocirfbc Am I also Peugeot advertisement team here? kzbin.info/www/bejne/hn6TeX-nfbuVaMk Am I also Toyota advertisement team here? kzbin.info/www/bejne/panPpqikq554mMk Am I also Honda advertisement team here? kzbin.info/www/bejne/i2a5q5WIf8-MnqM OR MAYBE DEALERS SIMPLY SHARED THE CARS FOR THE TESTS HUH? THINK TWICE BEFORE YOU ANSWER.

[@MrSKlim]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers LMAO. savage.

[@jaronshelton4124]

So at 1:40 you can see the traction control breaking the slipping wheels but why isn’t the wheel with traction receiving torque?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

It is. But not enough to move the car forward.

[@DriveKosmo]

Ten w Mercedesie chyba się czegoś bał bo nie dał po garach. Widać było że by wyjechał ale za mało gazu dawał. Super test. Pozdrawiam

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

W wielu Mercedesach to system tak ogranicza obroty, nawet przy gazie wciśniętym do podłogi.

[@wasieg]

To zdecydowanie nie Mercedes ani z jednym kołem tylnym ani przednim nie dał rady... Co oni z nim zrobili, natomiast kijanka chyba jest ustawiona z preferencjach na tylni napęd, tak by winikalo z testu.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@wasieg Ten Mercedes ma "AMG Performance 4MATIC Permanent All-Wheel Drive", z rozkładem 31/69, czyli 100% performance awd system. W Stingerze to tylna oś gra pierwsze skrzypce, to ten sam układ co xDrive.

[@MrYoojong]

I will choose Stinger.

[@wreckage-vs5jv]

Why exactly does the Merc fail with only front left on the ground? And fun question..is it a given front right would perform the same?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Merc has 31/69 torque split, that is performance awd system, not traction awd system, it doesn't send much power to the front. It would be the same with any front wheel.

[@wreckage-vs5jv]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers So what's the difference between 2:01 win ESP off one rear wheel on ground and 3:20 total fail with one front wheel on the ground no matter the ESP? That 4 Matic can distribute power to a single rear wheel but not to the front? And how does that relate to torque split? Means it actually does send power to front left but not enough? How come? Please lighten me up. It looks like the software doesn't care about the relative speed of ground and vehicle and just looks for the revs.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@wreckage-vs5jv Imagine it this way - basically rear axle gets 69% of torque, so each rear wheel gets 34,5%. At the same time front axle gets 31%, so each front wheel gets 15,5%. Of course ESP/TC is changing this split by intervention of brakes but it can't change it to the level where one front wheel will get enough torque to move the car forward. Here you can see this Merc with front wheels on rollers: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKK9p2B5e6-rp8k Notice that there is much less wheelspin than during the test with rear wheels on rollers.

[@wreckage-vs5jv]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I see. So more wheelspin always indicates where more torque can be send? And the 75 nm, 15 per cent of the Mercedes' 500 nm is not enough to move the car right?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@wreckage-vs5jv Less wheelspin = more torque. The more is the resistance the more torque you can apply. We are not talking about the torque of the engine but torque split of awd system. In such test cars need just a little bit of torque from the engine. For example - max engine torque is 500 Nm but during the test only 100 Nm is needed. So 69 Nm goes to the back and 31 Nm to the front (of course I omit the transmission, gearings to make it clear to understand).

[@Zsword92]

What's the sound at 0:42? I've heard it before in the Audi S3 1.8T video

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

That's a roller speeded up to hyper rotation.

[@wreckage-vs5jv]

How many incarnations of 4 Matic exist?

[@GGMan]

Another great video. Should do a series on those that past the three roller test and redo three roller test on a incline, to see who king of AWD? 🤓

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Thanks! These rollers are actually harder than an incline, they are like a curb ;-)

[@GGMan]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers rollers are on the incline as well, just to see which AWD system can put the Power down into one when. Only seen a few cars have this test and Subaru did quite well. I bet the Honda pilot might find come second behind a proper 4x4

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@GGMan I have never seen an incline test with "deep" rollers. Usually they are "flat", so that is easier.

[@GGMan]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I think it was TFL, think they also tested automatic brakes to stop roll back - was very interesting 😅. Hope you all have a Merry Christmas.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@GGMan TFL has flat rollers - small diameter of cylinders and very small gap between the two where wheel sits. No climbing like here. Merry Christmas!

[@unapranker]

Do you use a standard for how the throttle is applied in these tests? What would it be? I assume you do, just wondering how it's applied. Thank you, rather interesting to watch how the different cars perform.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Up to 30 km/h if there is a need, but up to 20 km/h is usually optimum. If something is going wrong then we are always looking for most effective level. Here are some examples: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mnfWYYKFitmDm6c

[@adamos1919]

Panowie, kiedy test Q4 z Alfa Romeo Giulia/Stelvio ? Jeśli trzeba to mogę udostępnić auto (Poznań)

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Jak tylko znajdzie się ochotnik bliżej Rzeszowa... Dzięki za propozycję, do Poznania kawał drogi, ale w razie czego będziemy pamiętać 🙂

[@synsyla1]

Oba mają szpere?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@synsyla1 Żaden nie ma.

[@synsyla1]

@4x4.tests.on.rollers dziwne, takie auta i szpery na tyle nie mają Ale i tak Stinger lepiej dał sobie radę

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@synsyla1 Stinger miał w wersji RWD.

[@RD-vb9cr]

Kia surprises again good 👌

[@andreipulosul1492]

Someone please explain to me why it doesnt send power to the wheel on the ground

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Both systems are performance oriented. Not traction oriented. And both are rwd biased, front wheels do not get much torque, their job is to decrease oversteer tendency.

[@JekaMandra]

not included in a price. because big debt of brains.

[@zero2sixty244]

Shocked! Really like E class and Stinger but like the Stinger just a tad more

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

This is not standard E class but performance version with 31/69 torque split.

[@zero2sixty244]

4x4 tests on rollers - duszaniespokojna channel what’s torque split on Stinger?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@zero2sixty244 Variable, from full Rwd to 50/50, depends how software is set. It doesn't have center differential like Merc.

[@zero2sixty244]

4x4 tests on rollers - duszaniespokojna channel interesting on lack of center diff. Do you know anything else on them? Would love one but would drive it in snow too. Thanks for reply!

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@zero2sixty244 Stinger has Actimax transfer case from Magna Powertrain, mechanically that's the same awd system which you can find in Bmw or Jaguar. The difference is the software.

[@chrisland169]

any reason why you never tested acuras? old&new.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Acura is not available in Europe...

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Here's Acura: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKTQoWeEe6ihY80

[@rafagresu7038]

Dlaczego nie może w jednym jak i w drugim przypadku przenieś napędu na jedno przednie koło

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Obydwa samochody mają tzw. performance awd (nie traction awd), charakterystyka tylno-napędowa, przednia oś przenosi znacznie mniejszy moment (w przypadku Mercedesa 31/69).

[@rafagresu7038]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers czyli napędy te nie są nastawione na max przyczepność tylko na przenoszenia większej mocy na tylne koła

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@rafagresu7038 Zgadza się, jak to na auta sportowo torowe przystało.

[@marcingruba7391]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers no tak ale zawsze piszą że w poślizgu mogą przenieść więcej mocy na przód czy tył, tak gdzie jest przyczepność

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@marcingruba7391 Gdzie i i czym tak piszą?

[@ast5515]

The Stinger is seriously impressive for not being a crossover / SUV.

[@St1ngerGuy]

I have one up here in CNY and with a good set of snow tires it goes through anything. Kinda disappointing that it can get stuck if only 1 front wheel has traction but the chances of that happening are probably slim and it would never be THAT slippery.

[@v12-s65]

Isn't the merc an in-line 6?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Nope, it is V6.

[@tyablo]

does Kia have rear electronic diff lock?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

No. Mechanical Limited Slip Differential is available on GT & 330S (RWD).

[@mahmoudibrahim7932]

Yes stinger my 19

[@Todd.T]

Do one with a locking differential truck.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

You can find Ford Ranger on my channel.

[@rotorblade9508]

People like to laugh but most don’t have any idea what’s going on 🙄 They will do ok on slippery surfaces anyway, not even SUV-s are for off road except the 4x4 so that’s not a problem. Mercedes seems more rear biased which is more interesting if you want more agility. Anyway the 4matic is about how you sent power to front or rear. The rear diff is connected through a clutch and I think the front as well so they can control exactly how much power you send to each axle. From this perspective it’s a very good system. Probably the kia awd is ok as well. So mechanically there is no problem. The reason why they failed the one wheel traction test is because of traction control left/right. Both cars have oped differentials for F and R axles as most of the cars have (except optionally selected for a rear lsd or special model. Alfa romeo uses lsd as standard I think). So to send power left or right you rely on traction control which apply brakes on the wheel that spins. In these cases the TC didn’t work too well. Newer cars usually have improved this system and it works better , anyway it’s not that bad, it won’t affect the dynamics the cars will be ok. It can even be fixed with a software patch if they want to do it (probably they won’t even bother:)) With a rear LSD you would have no problem with all wheels on rollers except one of the rear wheels. An lsd is the only way to improve rear traction for faster turn exit. But this will cost you some extra money.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Mercedes has center differential, no clutches. Kia has clutch pack to power front wheels. And it is not the matter of traction control left/right in this case, but torque on front axle (for example Porsche 911 is not even able to move the car forward even if both front wheels have grip).

[@rotorblade9508]

duszaniespokojna - 4x4 tests on rollers I’ve checked the latest 4matic+ and it uses clutches that connect rear diff anyway but I don’t know what system is in this case. Both systems can send torque to the axle that has grip so they are ok. Kia system is then similar to bmw xdrive. There is definitely torque available on front axle but the motion goes to the spinning wheel that has no traction then obviously no torque is transmitted to the front. But if the traction control would brake the spinning wheel the car will move

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@rotorblade9508 Actually this E43 doesn't have 4Matic+ but 4Matic (AMG Performance 4MATIC Permanent All-Wheel Drive). Some sources indeed say there is planetary center differential with multi-plate clutch limited slip device, but that's definitely not lockable, probably mechanical (not electronically controlled). Torque always go to the front, but I don't know how much in such case. System in Kia is not only similar to xDrive, but in fact it is the same - Actimax from Magna Powertrain.

[@iveco1236]

Stinger👍

[@FjordTrotter]

unless you have 4x4 with locking transfer case or locking diff, no awd system can get you out like a true four-wheel-drive system.

[@Ce0ammer]

That is a loss for the Merc. Beaten by a KIA, that stings. So much for the best or nothing! 🤣

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Both are designed for performance, not traction.

[@Ce0ammer]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Indeed, that still won't stop Mercedes-Benz fans from being pissed about "losing" to a KOREAN car!? Few fans get so sensitive as the ones of "premium" brands.

[@thejake8099]

Uh, they both failed to pass the last test...🤔 Not sure what you saw in the video.

[@luiscorcam]

Haber probado stinguer con eso off y tc on

[@stephaneleblanc5468]

There are a bunch of tests like these on youtube. Never the same results. The other thing is you can clearly see that its been filmed at a kia dealer. How convincing thats its not rigged. Plus what good car ever came out of kia?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Kia dealer just shared the cars. Like many other dealers. Test was made by our channel, not Kia. Results on other channels may be different cause rollers may be different. Flat, deep, incline etc.

[@thejake8099]

Interesting... I thought they would pass all the tests, what's the point of AWD if the vehicle can't pass this type of test? You should be able to file a lawsuit against the false advertising of these manufacturers. If you bought a truck and it couldn't pass this type of test, it would be all over the news and the manufacturers name and reputation would be trashed in the news.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Both are designed for performance, not traction.

[@thejake8099]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers that's your story and you're sticking to it? I think performance requires traction and vice versa....if I put winter tires on my AWD performance vehicle for snow use, I should get better traction than using summer tires in the snow. This test isn't about tires...

[@piciu256]

@@thejake8099 on a track, if you only have traction on one wheel, you have much bigger problems than not being able to accelerate quickly. Still the Kia should be pretty good in the snow etc. as a situation where only one front wheel has traction is pretty rare.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@thejake8099 I think you misunderstand the terms. Traction oriented are closer to offroad etc., performance oriented are for cornering etc. Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X cannot even pass easily tests on two rollers, why do you think is that?

[@thejake8099]

@@piciu256No, a "track" is not needed or required. You don't need to travel @ 10/10ths to test traction. For instance, it's winter time where I am at, the side streets and residential areas haven't been treated/cleared. There's snow on top of ice mixed with some slush. Moving your vehicle out of your driveway and throughout the neighborhood is a test for which wheels get traction or not.

[@iviivi187]

These ste two cars what i want to buy ..

[@iGuardian183]

AMG makes the head turn while the stinger doesn't, but will wonder what car that is. having an AMG is great, it's one of the top brands within the European market. plus the car's value doesn't tank compared to the stinger. downside of the AMG and most of high performance cars...after the warranty period is over, it's better off to buy another new car. while kia/hyundai is like 5 to 10 years(depending on where you are).

[@iviivi187]

JiSuk Yun Yea thats true , i have now w205 since 2014 but only c180 used mostly in city , i want to upgrade - i wanted stinger gt or e43 these two are in my hunters mark but i still think about it

[@kruldaj]

why do you give full throttle at Mercedes?? it is not objective… Here is the front drive just for decoration...

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Where do you see full throttle?

[@kruldaj]

Well, not full throttle, but relatively high speed, compared to Stinger ... Mercedes wouldn't move at lower speeds, Stinger works much better...

[@kes7304]

Kia has one huge advantage over Mercedes. permanent 4x4 drive.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Exactly the opposite. Mercedes has permanent awd with center differential while Kia uses clutch-pack to power front wheels.

[@Mund333M]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers nice but Kia's AWD seems work better!!

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@Mund333M In terms of traction - probably yes. In terms of performance - track test would be needed.

[@vitoskalleta3458]

Тестируют диллеры киа... исход ясен...

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Nope. Dealers only share their cars. Our channel is testing.

Not same rollers and tyres are determined.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Rollers are the same, repainted. Tyres do not influence the test.

[@zanatok]

Круто , сразу видно ,что электронные помощники не справляются

[@eliesaadeh969]

It makes me crazy when I watch this sort of stupid drivers that are afraid of flooring the gaz in such situations The merc would of passed all tests with a bit more skilled driver 100%

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

You must calm down first. Then watch some other videos, on different channels, this is how many Benz cars react even with pedal to the metal.

[@eliesaadeh969]

Look at the second test you showed between these two and you’ll understand what Im taking about

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@eliesaadeh969 I know very well what you are talking about. It is possible only when two wheels are on rollers. If three wheels are on rollers - system recognises this situation in a milisecond and immediately cuts the power, no matter how hard you press the accelerator.

[@Mund333M]

@@eliesaadeh969 I know you are a Benz fanboy but you see the truth and Kia has the better AWD system.

[@macak3140]

The important thing is the wheight

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

It's almost the same for both cars.

[@seangn7]

See how Mercedes is rear bike car compared to the Kea. How often do you think that kind of situation will face you? Getting out of that trap not meaning better car.

[@jaredshelton4718]

What?

[@ВовкаВовка-з6ю]

Что и требовалось доказать. Мерс дно

[@stephaneleblanc5468]

Stupid video. They are not applying the throttle the same on both cars making this test irrelevant.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

They are. But electronics of both cars are cutting it in very different way (almost completely in Benz). I suggest to reconsider what or who is stupid.

[@clanpapa1]

KIA wypada lepiej!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@kaanakbulut7350]

$$$$

[@jmadmachine9819]

This test is inaccurate. E63 driver just brainlessly steps hard on the pedal.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

There is no E63 in this video.

[@woodymacajoux2146]

That's funny

[@jmadmachine9819]

This video is pointless. How can you compare Mercedes to cheap kia?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Both are the same fast.

[@D4t01992]

And kia was better :D

[@GodsloveMuzik]

JMADMACHINE “Cheap Kia” is obviously giving the luxury brands serious runs for their money

[@bobbyu8991]

That kia ain't cheap

[@Mund333M]

why do you cyclist always talk about things where you have no idea how to see neither stinger nor Benz driven ...