SLIP TEST - Toyota RAV4 II AWD vs Subaru Forester SG S-AWD -

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4x4 test on rollers:
Toyota RAV4 2.0 D4D MT AWD (2003)
vs
Subaru Forester 2.0 X MT S-AWD (2006)
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[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Test of ESP/TC versions of Toyota Rav4 and Subaru Forester: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pXq7mX2KatSmotE

[@gurpreetsoomal5408]

Thanks so much for making this non ESP/TC, and the other ESP/TC video direct comparisons! I bought a pre-facelift 2001-2003 Rav4 in USA/Canada (square fog lights), because of a fear that the facelift 2003-2005 with round fog lights with the electronic stability control and traction control systems would be worse, especially when it limits your throttle like on most cars. However, your video shows the newer system is better, at least in this scenario. Overall both the non ESP/TC and ESP/TC Rav4 and Subaru are great AWD vehicles, and plough through very difficult conditions. The Rav4 had a factory rear Torsen LSD option which was super rare (which would not activate on rollers probably), but even better there is an aftermarket electronic locking rear-locker available for them (which could easily activate on these rollers).

[@motogs3929]

Благодарю команду, которая делает эту работу. Для многих, эти видео реально помогают сделать правильный выбор. СПАСИБО!!!

[@JamesRussoMillas]

It's pretty cool to see how these older systems really struggle to move power side to side.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Actually they don't have any systems to move power from side to side 🙂

[@JamesRussoMillas]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers wheel braking? Lol I feel like even then traction control could've done it!

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@JamesRussoMillas These cars do not have traction control 🙂

[@theblitz1687]

that lil rav4 is so cute tho ;-; taillights of it gave me nostalgia

[@eb3bgm]

Two potatoes heheheh Thanks for share!!

[@mrregik]

На Субару в турбовый задний редуктор ставится червячная блокировка из Тольятти, фирмы Вал рейсинг, и с помощью ручника она все испытания проедет. Рекомендую.

[@toninocars]

Nice video. The traction control works wonders if the cars has one. A Prius would have been out easily

[@puniarulez]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/pXq7mX2KatSmotE

[@4G12]

Latest model Mitsubishi Pajero with factory rear diff lock vs. latest available Toyota Prado loaded with as much OE off road performance enhancing kit as possible.

[@PrioCaptSend]

Is this the RAV4 or RAV2? 😂

[@user-ww6bp4oe4x]

0.5😂

[@witekb.7867]

Od kiedy system vdc jest montowany seryjnie w foresterach? Czy generacja III od 2008r już go posiada? Pozdrawiam i dzięki za przydatne testy😊

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Seryjnie chyba od 2009, niestety nie wiem jak było z Foresterem. Pozdrawiam 🙂

[@witekb.7867]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Dzięki za szybką odpowiedź. A jeżeli wspomniany Forester posiada przycisk wyłączający kontrole trakcji to jest to system vdc czy jeszcze coś innego?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@witekb.7867 Tak, to VDC.

[@tristan8726]

How well do you think the 2008 toyota vangaurd 240s AWD would do compared to these two? Is it similar to this model rav 4

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Unfortunately I don't know this model...

[@tristan8726]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers what about the 2008 toyota rav 4 AWD?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@tristan8726 We didn't test it yet 😐

[@Motardebase.]

Interesting! I thinked the subaru was better than the rav4 but finally not... Can you try with the Honda crv RD1? Thank's!

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

CR-V gen 1 has the same awd system as HR-V: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXu7mnuvYth9apY

[@michaelleekuhn]

It also depends on what options the subaru forester has thay were available with limited slip rear diff, I don't knownif the rav4 was or not

[@luigivm]

I think I haven't seen any Torsen fwd or RWD (IE Alfa Romeo Q2) vs AWD open Differential, I understand that can be "safer" in more situations a 2wd with self locking differential than a 4wd with open Diff. Am I wrong?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

If you mean 4wd with all diffs open then yes, fwd with lsd may be better.

[@luigivm]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers that is! Would be also nice to see a comparison of a FWD LSD vs FWD Grip Control as I understand that the Grip Control is a kind of "advanced Traction control".

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@luigivm Yes, grip control systems are nothing more than different traction control settings. And actually in some scenarios these can be better than front lsd. Limited slip diff at front can't be too strong cause it would cause massive problems in handling.

[@filipsrbin88]

Please find and do hyundai santa fe II 2006-20012. 🙏

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

I am trying...

[@edwardmadry4299]

Ravka w manualu czy automacie? wygląda jakby centralny miał blokadę/szperę. 1:35 może ręczny? Gdzieś czytałem że można było kupić do RAV4 II tylny mechanizm różnicowy z LSD - na pewno by pomógł

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Manual. Centralny dyfer z wiskozą. W teście kierowca próbował użyć zarówno hamulca nożnego, jak i ręcznego, info w odpowiednim momencie pojawia się w lewym dolnym rogu ekranu. Rav4 miała w opcji tylnego torsena.

[@edwardmadry4299]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Dzięki - komentarz pisałem na bieżąco w takcie oglądania, później zauważyłem też ręczny. Nie wiedziałem jakie konkretne rozwiązania były stosowane w RAV4 II natomiast kiedyś trafiłem na informację że jest różnica w centalnym między automatem a manualem i że tył mógł mieć ograniczony poślizg. Torsen traktuje jak LSD bo nie jest to blokada 100%.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@edwardmadry4299 Różnice w zależności od skrzyni były w pierwszej generacji Rav4. W drugiej wszystkie wersje miały ten sam układ awd.

[@JoRMasteri]

Volvo V70 AWD/XC (96-99) would be nice to see. It has diff lock in rear axle.

[@sanders2strong]

if the viscous coupler and angle gear aren't fried lol

[@sanders2strong]

my s60r with a quaife wouldn't have an issue

[@wyprawowy814]

To jak to jest z tym napędem 4x4 w Ravce II generacji? Od pewnego czasu czytam jak na forach użytkowników ludzie się "przepychają" w komentarzach, że napęd jest stały a inni twierdzą, że nie. Możliwe, że niektórzy mają problem z definicją co oznacza stały i nie chodzi o to, że przednia i tylna oś zawsze dostaje moment (jak np w Nivie), ale skoro jest tu sprzęgło wiskotyczne, to w którym ono jest miejscu? Jak to dokładnie działa? Będę wdzięczny za rozwianie wątpliwości :)

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Napęd stały, realizowany poprzez centralny mechanizm różnicowy, moment obrotowy stale przekazywany jest poprzez koła zębate. Sprzęgło wiskotyczne znajduje się przy centralnym dyfrze i odpowiada za jego "poślizg", czyli "skleja" się kiedy jedna z osi zaczyna kręcić się szybciej od drugiej.

[@wyprawowy814]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Dzięki za wyjaśnienie, czyli wiskoza stara się niejako zblokować proporcje które idą na przód z tymi, które idą na tył?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@wyprawowy814 Sprzęgło wiskotyczne w dyfrze dąży do wyrównania prędkości obrotowych osi, niezależnie która oś kręci się szybciej, obydwie osie połączone są mechanicznie ze skrzynią. Natomiast samo sprzęgło wiskotyczne (bez dyfra) napędza jedną oś (tę, która nie ma mechanicznego połączenia ze skrzynią), głównie w sytuacji, kiedy oś połączona ze skrzynią zaczyna się ślizgać.

[@wyprawowy814]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers dzięki :)

[@riccardotaccolinimoncosi7435]

Is the Rav4 equipped with the optional rear Torsen differential?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

No, it has open diff.

[@drytoon1507]

@4x4.tests.on.rollers hi sorry to bother you but what is the difference between an open diff and a Torsen diff?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@drytoon1507 Open diff vs torsen: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i53ReHpqm9eNbJo

[@sanders2strong]

gotta love open differentials lolololol

[@TheDarko1980]

Is this Rav4 with torsen or open rear diff ?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Open.

[@Road7IRunner]

Subaru❤️😊

[@austinsmith4657]

Where can I find a set of rollers? Link?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Custom made.

[@myfavmitsubishi2599]

Please test Mitsubishi pajero io (Pinin)with std diff(no locker) vs forester 🙏🙏🙏

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

All up to volunteers.

[@myfavmitsubishi2599]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers hopefully there will be volunteers, i have 2006 mitsubishi pajero io, but i don't have rollers. I'm from Georgia🇬🇪. I'm very interested. Thank you for your attention.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@myfavmitsubishi2599 There is not much Pinins in Poland but if I find one I will test it for sure 🙂

[@sindriatlason6925]

My gen 2 RAV4 would have gotten out as it came with torsen rear diff

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Torsen wouldn't help here. Strong lsd or a locker would be needed.

[@user-rx6lp1jj9r]

No ESP?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

No ESP/TC.

[@bolero7727]

When was released this car

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Rav4 2000, Forester 2002.

[@EV0N1K]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers the Forester in this video is a 2006 model

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@EV0N1K Model was released in 2002.

[@5325jslenk]

When they did cross wheels they didn't get the left side on the rollers on either car

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

I'm sorry but I don't understand your point...

[@ferrfaith2690]

I want to see KIA Sportage 2000,4x4 on your test.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

All up to volunteers.

[@zepter00]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Może dasz radę zrobić test Suzuki Kizashi 2,4 AWD do porównania z Audi z tamtego czasu lub z VW ?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@zepter00 Chciałbym, ale ciężko znaleźć Kizashi 😐

[@langepascrazyfunny5044]

no stock dif , castor differential good !!! No stock !!!

[@alikate555]

rav 4 have block of differencial?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Nope. Front & rear open, center visco diff.

[@panagiotis_k8485]

I think rav4 can lock central diff. I also think subaru has low gears . Did you use them?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Rav4 doesn't have diff lock, Forester doesn't have low gear.

[@yemengt-9709]

I need see Rav4 2010 please

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

If only I could find it...

[@microcamper4716]

Scross robi ich do jednej bramki bez łyka wody😜

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

S-Cross to znacznie nowsza konstrukcja 🙂

[@sachkf1501995]

The forester performed a bit better than rav.

[@puniarulez]

Why?

[@osmanakca3004]

Captiva please

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Can't find it 😐

[@osmanakca3004]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers no problem. that car was not designed for that anyway. your videos are very nice 😄😄

[@misiu1020]

Miałem taką ravke tylko długa i to jest chyba najgorszy napęd 4x4 jakim jeździłem

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

To dziwne, ten sam rodzaj napędu występuje w samochodach Subaru z manualną skrzynią biegów.

[@samsonphiri6874]

This Subaru is an imposter take it away😂, how can it fail simple diagonal test😮😮?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Front and rear open differentials.

[@jjmack8233]

I had to do a double take. At first I would have bet that was my ex wife behind the wheel of these cars. That’s all she knows, floor it or brake hard.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

And what would you do in this test?

[@jjmack8233]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I've watched a lot of Roll Off tests on KZbin. Yours is the first I watched where the driver never slowed to a crawl to allow the other wheels to react to the wheel spinning. TFL does a lot of these tests. Best of luck to you.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@jjmack8233 The problem is that these two cars do not have any electronics, slowing down or crawling doesn't change a thing. Actually it even makes things worse cause center visco diffs need a speed difference.

[@allgood6535]

Worst test I’ve seen the rav is better off road!!

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Do you know mechanical structure of Rav4 awd system...?

[@allgood6535]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I do yes have owned Honda CR-V aswell they are crap only kicks in when front slips and by then your already stuck!! And you have put the front and rear wheels on rollers what’s that prove the wheels spin ??

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@allgood6535 Well, you don't. 2nd generation of Rav4 has full time, permanent, mechanical awd system. It has nothing in common with CR-V, literally. I see you also have no clue what is roller test about, maybe this guy will help you to understand: kzbin.info/www/bejne/o6PceKF7g7mmpas

[@allgood6535]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I have a 2nd gen rav 4 I do no.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@allgood6535 So what is the problem?

[@kc0lif]

fail

[@AB-du5dn]

What on earth was this all about, pointless.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

If you don't know what it is about then how do you know it's pointless?

[@AB-du5dn]

Easy, if it doesn’t teach me anything or isn’t thought provoking then it’s pointless.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@AB-du5dn Reading a book about advanced engineering is pointless to and it won't teach you a thing if you don't know the basics of maths. The same rule applies here.

[@bjelinski1]

"symmetrical AWD is the best 4x4 in the world", I have seen this so many times. piece of crap. the best I have seen during such tests was Teslas. MG Marvel R with three motors will be something too.

[@bartosznosal5485]

Its like compering na apple with a pear

[@bjelinski1]

@@bartosznosal5485 Nope, it is fairly straightforward when you end up in a ditch with two wheels in the air. Has happend to me in a Pajero with failing diff lock. Luckily it is all becoming irrelevant with the advent of electrification when additional motor will be cheaper than diff + driveshafts with cardans. Poor torsen ...

[@EV0N1K]

True but a lot of people need more time to accept it

[@JamPL]

Ale slabo. Esp by pewnie pomoglo ale za stare fury a juz zbyt nowe na to zeby miec porzadna mechanike i ksiegowi widocznie wycieli blokady mostow.

[@pekinglad]

WHY USED CARS? NO ONE WANTS THAT.

[@ramirochaconvillarrubia8667]

A lot of people want it. If you dont want it don’t watch this video the title is clear