SLOW N SEAR EXPOSED!!/LOW AND SLOW/SLOW N SEAR TESTING COMPARISON/ MUST WATCH/

[@LouisatRshackBBQ]

Great series, very informative. What did we learn? 2 things :A - there are products that work just as well or better than a SnS... B - don’t insult Meathead otherwise he will come at you like a Tasmanian devil.. haha seriously though I really enjoyed your series and comparison. Thank you for sharing.

[@meatcranium4280]

Louis at R shack BBQ You Get Pinned. Great Comment Brother

[@BuilditFixitDoitwithJWade]

Yep, this is what I would say!

[@davidfontenot5223]

Awesome vid. 15 min is usually my max attention span. I enjoyed every second. Subbed

[@drpepper1980]

David Green 9jjkll Anal wife

[@Kalahan6]

Video doesn’t make any sense. He measures the temperature on the charcoal grate. Not the food grate. The baskets are open on the side. The SnS isn’t. Meaning that to achieve the same temperature on the charcoal grate the temperature of the food grate is probably going to be higher on the food grate with the SnS. So he puts significant disadvantage on the SnS. For a guy that talks bad about science he should have been more scientific about this.

[@barrybrum]

Actual testing begins at 6 minutes.

[@wolfy7531]

Thanks. The intro is super annoying.

[@ChrisTrail]

I had a slow n sear in my cart but not placed the order yet - then I watched this. Thanks for the info you provide! Saved me some money

[@meatcranium4280]

Chris Trail You’re welcome I’m glad I could help you make a great decision. Thanks for watching

[@jayhickey5012]

Bought my Weber baskets for 20 bucks and love em. they work perfect and for 20 bucks you will not be disappointed.

[@dieseldawg7132]

Jay Hickey I actually just got the grill and the baskets and I was highly impressed

[@paulrhodes7775]

Very interesting test! I’ve used both, the baskets and the slow n sear and I’ve found that the value for me with the slow n sear is that it makes it much easier to control temps, and it does a better job creating a thermal barrier (especially with the water pan full) than the baskets so you don’t have to worry about one side of your meat cooking much faster.

[@tugboat2001]

I actually have a merlin in my Amazon cart as we speak and told my wife that's what I wanted for Father's day. So glad you made this video! Saved me a 100 dollars. Thanks for shedding light on this.

[@meatcranium4280]

tugboat2001 You’re welcome. I even went in depth in another video after this where I actually did heat signatures of the slow and sear

[@tugboat2001]

@@meatcranium4280 definitely going to check it out.

[@UserUser-zm3fo]

Is the SnS worth the money? For me yes, I find the water keeps the grill level temp more uniform. I get hot spots around the baskets. IMHO.

[@sneakeey1]

This was very interesting. You seemed to have done an even test! Thanks for sharing your findings.

[@meatcranium4280]

Daddy Cooks Thanks Phil. Hey email me your address. My email is in my about page. I appreciate you taking your time and watching and commenting

[@bigsmokeybonesbbq3720]

Okay I'm glad I ran across this. I'm a subscriber to your channel just haven't seen all the videos yet. But I was literally getting ready to order the SnS 2.0. Thanks for the wake up call.

[@meatcranium4280]

BigSmokeyBones BBQ Man I’m glad I could help. There are so many more cheaper options. You made a wise decision

[@cliftonsmith]

The baskets work fine for me. Plus they are more versitile as you can leave and indirect space in the centre and have the baskets each side. Great video. Love the product marketing explanation at the start, pretty much summarises how so many products are marketed today

[@floridahuntsman7915]

Good stuff ,i have a kettle original. It’s my first one . Found your channel. Should have bought one decades ago . I miss home. Going to subscribe.

[@meatcranium4280]

Thanks mane, I most certainly do appreciate it.

[@httrms11]

i really appreciate this video i was planning on buying that slow and sear but not anymore after this video thanks

[@vicsstang89]

I love how instead of admitting there was an inherent flaw with their product they came after you with science. Then went and updated their product with exactly what you were testing about.

[@meatcranium4280]

MyMind LoL.And lowered the price. Yeah it’s a cheaper steel, but it is more affordable now. Watch my Q&A on Saturday I hit on this exact stuff. Thanks for the support and watching

[@rootboycooks]

So, I think I told you about Justin offering me a free SNS and I turned it down. I went and bought the Grilla Q , I used it a lot at first, now I don't. You did the most fair comparison, and the SNS came out last.Can we please get back to cooking Meat!

[@meatcranium4280]

The Root Boy Cooks ! Meat next week Brother, I can’t wait. No, you didn’t tell me that. Interesting, to say the least. You asked me about the Grilla Q in your comment section. Email me and we will discuss it. Thanks for the support and watching Brother

[@PATVEELEYVeeley]

I just came across your video, I see that it's 3 yrs ago... I don't use either the sns or basket, but then again I've been BBQng and smoking meats before any of these products and before cell phones for that matter lol... Good video and keep on Grilling!

[@marktierney6128]

I know this is a later reply but I was doing my research on the SNS Slow-n-Sear Version 1 vs Version 2. Then I came across your video, very informative. I think I'll save my money and keep using the SS baskets. Now that meat prices are rising (Covid-19 days) I will save the money to buy the meat! Thanks for your video, indisputable!

[@meatcranium4280]

Mark Tierney Thanks Brotha. More meat purchasing is definitely the better choice. Thanks for the support and watching

[@Laba1011]

Awsome video saved me alot of money I just got a second webber kettle grill was going to get the Merlin and the drip n griddle. So glad they are on back order or I would have wasted alot of money.

[@meatcranium4280]

Party Foul Glad to help

[@spencerwilliams1159]

Dude, thank you very much Sir! You have saved me money I was about to buy SandS , but test was awesome!

[@meatcranium4280]

Yeah it’s totally not necessary. Thanks for the support and watching Brother

[@scorbish]

nice work. straight up longevity test. glad you pulled back the marketing veil on the slow n sear. i just wish you did this before i bought one, lol...

[@meatcranium4280]

Shane Corbishley Man I’m sorry about that. I will be putting the SND VS THE BBQ DRAGON GRILL STONE Soon

[@rottvang]

Awesome test. I bought stainless steel charcoal baskets. Works great. What I do to control my heat is kinda of dumb. I figure each piece of briquette is 25 F degrees. So I use 15 pieces and I add 5 to stay at 250.

[@meatcranium4280]

rottvang That is actually really smart. I like that. I need to write that down. I think your correct. The 305 SS CHARCOAL BASKETS is all you honestly need. Great comment. Thanks for contributing

[@TheFlatlander440]

Another good comparison vid Chris. Again, I do love my SNS however I don't use it like you are supposed to. I got into a bit of a spat with Dave about the water trough saying that I prefer to use a foil drip pan instead of the trough. I too ran a comparison a few months ago and found that the aluminum foil drip/water pan works better for me. For shorter cooks (when I smoke Italian sausages in 2 hrs or less) the aluminum foil drip/water pan works much better and keeps the temps more even. Additionally, when it comes to clean up, if the SNS water trough still has water in it while trying to dump old coals, you have a real mess on your hands. I also want to point out that on hotter cooks the water trough runs dry after 4 to 5 hours and have fun trying to add more water through the cooking grate without sloshing it onto the hot coals. All in all the SNS works for me but I could have saved about $50.00 if I had just purchased the two Weber charcoal baskets. Just my opinion and thank you for sending condolences to Justin (Baby Back Maniac) wishing his dad a full recovery. Cheers my friend and looking forward to more great cooking vids.

[@meatcranium4280]

William Logan those are great points as well. Justin is a good guy, I wish he wouldn’t lump himself in with ABC. I understand that we all have a Gig. Nothing but Love for him and his dad. Thanks for the support and watching Brother

[@df6516]

Good test! Seriously done! Aren't the baskets also more versatile with different configurations?

[@meatcranium4280]

Absolutely. Thanks for watching and commenting

[@shobanananda8982]

A little late to the party but I'm glad I found this video. The SnS seemed a little gimmicky to me compared to baskets but I had nothing to verify my gut feeling. Thanks for doing this!

[@gregf577]

On thing I have noticed, and this is with the newest slow n sear, is not that the charcoal lasts longer than with baskets, but that the temp doesn’t seem to fluctuate as much, it seems to stay more precise. Is it enough to justify $100 ? I don’t know, would I call it a gimmick? I wouldn’t. Maybe a bit overpriced, but it is well built and it does what it’s supposed to. But baskets also work well, as does the snake method

[@jasonsteele9580]

I’ve had about every grill and smoker made and now I have a Weber 22” Master Touch with the baskets for the very reason he just proved. The versatility is just amazing.

[@83Nighthawk]

Im looking to get a SnS. The only thing I can say is you should do one more Video. I get that your using the same amount of coals in both but the charcoal baskets are maxed out and you still have room in the SnS for more coals. If you stop the video at 11:40 you can see what I mean. looks like a product that holds more and that why the company says what they say about it. But second thought do you think the holes on those charcoal baskets help it where the SnS dont have any holes along the side?

[@meatcranium4280]

Timothy Sheaffer if anything the holes on the smaller baskets would hurt it. Heat would escape faster. In no World or situation should the 304 SS Charcoal Baskets had even competed with a so call, “Superior” SNS. Thanks for the support and watching

[@83Nighthawk]

Would you recommend the SnS or just stay away? Because I noticed that the SnS has two walls of steel to go through to get the temp gauge to the temp you wanted and the baskets are right there open heat straight to the temp gauge. Im not trying to hit you with a bus just trying to get knowledge on slow cooking on a grill like should I spend $100 or just none at all. Should I just stack coals on 1/3 of the grill with a foil pan and water or snake method.

[@meatcranium4280]

Timothy Sheaffer STAY AWAY!!! The SNS is a total gimmick. For much less money you can get a grill stone from BBQ DRAGON $50, and a TIPTOPTEMP $36, you will be much better off.

[@shumardi1]

I would like your opinion on something that doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with this video. I have a 22” Weber kettle. What would you think about getting a vortex to set in the center and then getting a BBQ Guru round rib rack to set ribs up in a circle towards the outer part of the kettle?

[@meatcranium4280]

Jeff I’m no to familiar with the Vortex, it looks pretty cool. I’ve never had one. Rib racks are always the best option, it maximizes space. Thanks for the support and watching

[@rahleo2864]

Very well said...Great video..You saved me money..Because my next purchase was going to be two slow n sears..Thank you ..So much..

[@meatcranium4280]

Rah Leo I found 430 Stainless Steel Charcoal basket on EBAY yesterday and ordered today $36.56. Thanks for the support and watching

[@rahleo2864]

Thank you

[@rscholey85]

Awesome vid cut through the marketing bull and prove your theory this channel will blow up for sure, do knives different brand of BBQs same type different price points, BBQ cutlery , different branded charcoal etc the limits are endless I wish you the best of luck never loose honesty or the science and it's a winner...

[@meatcranium4280]

Baboo Choo Well stated. I will always stand for the consumer. Thanks for the support and watching

[@kellyhay79]

HELL YA MAN!!! I'm sad it took me this long to find your channel... I saw the title of this vid and immediately clicked. I've been thinking about the merlin and have always been skeptical because nobody has had anything bad to say about it, and you know as well as I do, nothing is perfect. I want to hear the good and bad about stuff, especially when it comes with a price tag like merlin. You just reiterated what I already thought. Thanks for making this video and the series and all your other videos...Keep cookin'

[@meatcranium4280]

Kelly Hayward You are most certainly welcome. When the owner Dave told me to Put Up or Shut Up I knew there was something UP with this product. Thanks for the support and watching.

[@SmokinJazzBbq]

Thanks brotha you just save me 140.00 from ordering one. I was really thinking about get a sns but after your video I don’t need one. My wife thank you as well lol. “She hates when I buy a new Bbq toy” keep Bbq-ing my dude.

[@meatcranium4280]

Smokin’ Jazz Bbq these 304 STAINLESS STEEL CHARCOAL BASKETS can be found on EBay really cheap, make sure you read the description. I will be ordering another pair for my other Kettle. The SNS is currently getting a new face lift by my Daughter in Law And Granddaughter, they are going to make it look more “MAGICAL”. Lol. I’m glad you enjoyed it and that I could save you money. Thanks for the support and watching Brother

[@SmokinJazzBbq]

MeatHead thanks my brotha

[@SeanMcGeeWebDude]

MeatHead you can buy the Weber baskets pretty cheap on amazon too. $12 last I bought them.

[@meatcranium4280]

Sean McGee yes you can, those are aluminized Steel, for a little more you ca get the 304 Stainless steel.

[@paulvictor9368]

Hehehe. I wish we were neighbours. Our politics align and I love what you said in the beginning. You are not the only one suffering with these people. Love your work!!

[@meatcranium4280]

Paul Victor I don’t suffer fools well Brother. Thanks for the support

[@TheAmick218]

Gimmick on the phone 😭 Savage. I'm subscribed. My new Weber kettle will be here Wednesday in green. I'm hoping the baskets win because they're 15 bucks!

[@meatcranium4280]

Nick Folcarelli I like that Green. Thanks for the support and watching

[@paulruth83]

I'm planning on buying a 22"Weber Kettle very soon. I have viewed a lot of videos that had slow and sear in use, thought that I would like to have one however it does seem like a steep price. So as good country boy would do I have been thinking there has to be a much cheaper way to do the same thing. Thanks for this comparison video you have earned my respect. 👍🐊👍

[@meatcranium4280]

Paul Ruth The SNS is a Gimmick. You can get some thin Paver bricks and line the bowl where intend to place the coals, then make a boarder with vegetable cans filled with water. There ya go, something that works as good as the SNS FOR $5. ABC is using a cheaper steel and rivets now for the SNS. Thanks for the support and watching Brother

[@paulruth83]

@@meatcranium4280 thanks a lot. I've been retired now for only five months and I am finally learning about how to smoke and cook on smokers and grills the correct way, not that it was not good before but I have certainly taken it to a new level with videos like your's. My wife bought me a 18.5" Weber Smokey Mountain cooker for retirement and I absolutely loved it. Now we are looking to get the 22" Kettle to go with it. Keep on keeping on Brother. Thanks again.

[@AnthonyMaske]

Oh Snap .... was curious about this so I checked out the SnS ... now I get it ... (smh) ... personally, I don't use any of those baskets type stuff ... just stack the brickets in a corner and if I want to add moisture I just get those disposable aluminum containers and stick it in the bottom next to the brickets .... simple simple simple and has *never* failed me ....

[@meatcranium4280]

Anthony Maske honestly that’s all you need

[@derekwood4051]

Exactly, ghetto grilling!

[@araminrahming8699]

I have been watching SnS videos all night and I was thinking, people have to have been accomplishing the same results before the SnS

[@dhorne2046]

So this is your first video that I’ve seen. Not sure to like or dislike because of the d&$k Measuring contest. I’m with you I don’t use the slow and see her either. I like your attitude, your love for barbecue and your love for guns but especially your love for family. Therefore I’m gonna watch your other videos maybe I’ll sub

[@meatcranium4280]

D Horne This Dude told me to Put Up or Shut Up, challenging me after I Questioned him on his BS GIMMICK Products, so this is a pretty passionate Video. Thanks for watching and commenting

[@GunnySGT1911]

I was going to buy a SnS for my Weber but when I saw the price I got sticker shock. Instead I put the money towards a new grill. I bought an Akorn Kamado. Best upgrade I ever made, and no looking back. Before I bough the Akorn, I tried a trick a friend told me about. Place a couple of thin red bricks on the grate to wall off the charcoal. Worked fine. Instead of forking out $100, all it cost me was about 10 minutes rooting around in my shed to find them. I imagine you could buy them at Lowe's for a couple bucks. Way cheaper. lol

[@meatcranium4280]

GunnySGT1911 Most Excellent choice. I heard great things about the Kamari’s. Bricks would work too. I got my SNS off EBay for $60. That is about the most they should be new. Thanks for the support and watching

[@scpjmartin]

Just watched your video. I found it both interesting and entertaining. Probably saved me the cost of a S&S. What I didn’t understand was your reference to 304 stainless baskets? Are you referring to the baskets that come with the Weber. I thought they were aluminized steel? I pretty new to kettle bbq so I’m still exploring different methods and tools. Thanks

[@meatcranium4280]

You can go onto eBay and type 304 stainless steel charcoal baskets for Weber kettle and you’ll find some, they’re extremely cheap, and did I mention stainless steel.

[@RoundhouseRanchBBQ]

Lol you said gnashing of teeth! I enjoyed this video. Don't really have anything to say against how this test was done. Nice job!

[@meatcranium4280]

Roundhouse Ranch BBQ Thanks Erik. Some people are Upset that I didn’t use water, but what they don’t realize is that ABC didn’t use water in there test. Lol. Thanks again for the support and watching Brother

[@moisesgarza3932]

I just bought a new Weber kettle and wae looking for some accessories for it. I got the Weber charcoal baskets and was seriously looking at buying the slow N Sear. After this video I'm sold I don't need the slow N Sear and the baskets will hold their own just fine! Thanks for the video! 👍👍

[@fordmustangjaime]

Thanks for this video, I used your basket setup with lump charcoal and was able to maintain 225-275 for about 6+ hours for ribs, I just ran a water pan underneath. I canceled my SnS and vortex order and saved $150

[@meatcranium4280]

Nice. Very Good. I love hearing stories like this. Thanks for sharing.

[@efthimios]

great job what a great approach and intersting data collected. I have weber master and today was my first smoke and you taught me how to let the charcoal snake burn- i kept one coal bucket in there and kept feeding it was the temp dropped every few hours now im going ot use both and do what you just did.

[@meatcranium4280]

Herakles great comment, I’m glad I could help you out. Thanks for the support and watching.

[@Silverd98]

Had one in my basket until I watched your video. Great job, saved me $100

[@meatcranium4280]

Alfred P Linden Jr You’re welcome. I’m glad I could save you some money. It’s a complete gimmick. Thanks for watching and the support

[@edgarrodriguez3084]

Same. Same.

[@FernandoRodriguez-gx1gq]

Got a Kettle coming in this week and was on the fence about the slow and sear. Thanks for the clarification. Gonna rock with the baskets weber sends!

[@meatcranium4280]

Fernando Rodriguez That all You truly need. Thanks for the support and watching Brother

[@dkpygman]

I actually got into BBQing and smoking, using the slow-n-sear. I've been pleased with my results. In watching countless smoking videos and learning more recipes, I have come to truly appreciate the collection of people in the smoking community. My first thought was, "Wow! What a supportive group to any and all who want to learn the craft." I expanded to a 275 gallon fuel oil tank conversiion, reverse-flow, offset smoker. Thinking I could continue to reach out to the support group with SnS, for advice, I posed some questions on how best to utilize my new smoker. I was quickly chastised and shamed by the people on there and received no defense by Dave, or anyone else from ABC, for the other members' behavior. It was very telling to the mentality and country-club attitude of the folks at ABC and their lemmings....very disappointing. I am so very sorry I asked BBQ/smoking questions that weren't SnS related on a SnS group page. How shameful of me.

[@dkpygman]

No problem, if I get blocked......I earned it. :-) Rest assured, I'll mind my P's and Q's, to make sure that doesn't happen. Thanks for the welcome.

[@meatcranium4280]

David Pygman my email is in my About Page if you ever have questions.

[@theimp67]

Instant sub as soon as I heard your Al Gore comment. Just bought a SnS but not precious about it, something to try but still getting mileage outta my plain ole Weber charcoal baskets.

[@meatcranium4280]

theimp67 amen brother. A lot of people have been duped by that Global warming BS. My SS Weber baskets are holding up just fine. Thanks for the support and watching Brother.

[@aleschnik]

I’ve been using a WSM and a Weber gas grill for awhile. Finally decided to ditch the gasser all together and bought the Weber Performer deluxe. I was determined to buy the slow and sear, but was curious if I even needed it when the Weber came with two charcoal baskets. You answered my question! Great video and you saved me a chunk of change for more meat.

[@meatcranium4280]

Andrew Leschnik More Meat is also the better choice. Lol. Thanks for the support and watching

[@slypup1]

I have two of these charcoal baskets but was about to pull the trigger on the ABC. I believed their hype and was about to purchase one. Thanks, MeatHead you saved me some money!

[@meatcranium4280]

bobby l Glad I could help

[@GrillTopExperience]

One minor adjustment and this test would have been great: Put the food grate in and measure the temperature there. Merlin read lower because the double metal wall for the water reservoir would block some of the radiant heat that the baskets let through. Food grate level would have been a better test since that is where the thing you want to cook sits. That said, I have yet to cook something low n' slow on Merlin that is as good as my UDS.

[@meatcranium4280]

Grill Top Experience all was equal It would have not mattered. I understand your point. Do your own test. You have a slow n sear now. I look forward to it. Thanks for watching

[@knsbbq1951]

I use both levels to cook with the minion method. Hmmm

[@BigLewBBQ]

Grill Top Experience MY 55 gallon UDS makes better Low and Slow barbecue too. However, it requires a lot more fuel, for the average small family meal the SNS is way more efficient.

[@madswinebbq]

You just saved me from buying the sns for my new Weber 26.75 ..... Thanks for taking the time to demonstrate the potential for the original baskets. 🤟

[@meatcranium4280]

Ruben Alvarez My pleasure. I have also demonstrated the health hazards associated with the water trough, and I have also shown how much room it takes up in you cooking chamber. On my 22 inch Weber Kettle using the BBQ DRAGON GRILL STONE I was a able to get 4 8lb Pork Butts on there, with the SNS 2 Pork Butts. It’s not a wise decision IMHO, however it does have a Cult following and no matter what I say someone will get offended. Thanks for the support and watching. Congratulations on a great decision

[@madswinebbq]

@@meatcranium4280 Have you ever tried those GrillGrates that seems to be popular for searing steaks? I'd love to hear your opinion on them.... thanks

[@meatcranium4280]

Ruben Alvarez I haven’t tried The Grill Grates, but from what I gather they Are really good. They get extremely hot for searing and you can flip them over to use as a griddle, and they are supposed to prevent flare ups. I need to get some and do an OFFICIAL review.

[@madswinebbq]

@@meatcranium4280 Much appreciated!

[@madswinebbq]

@@meatcranium4280 There's also this product for the Weber 26 (the 22 as well) called the Fire Butler. Been watching a few videos on them and it's definitely caught my attention. Have you seen this product? If so any opinions?

[@mack1707]

Hey Meathead, I think you should keep this format all the time. Meathead myth busting!!!

[@meatcranium4280]

Mack's BBQ Team Sounds good, only problem is, is that I would get bored, I meant to cook, and barbecue, and not expose snake oil salesman. LOL thanks for watching and the support brother

[@dennischapman2969]

Have you compared the old Smokenator to the Smoke n Sear? I have used the Smokenator for many years in my 22” Weber kettle as a smoker. I have to stay on top of the temps but it has always produced a great quality product.

[@meatcranium4280]

No I haven’t. I have seen it before, but I don’t think they sell them anymore.

[@BumSkidley]

I was looking at buying a slow n sear but the price point seemed much too high especially compared to the weber baskets. This video provided some good info. Thanks.

[@meatcranium4280]

Izy Alilin I have SNS VS GRILL STONE COMING OUT TODAY. It is really interesting. I am Premiering it at 10:30 EST. Thanks for the support and watching. I’m glad I could provide some informative for you.

[@MARTINLOCZ]

Burn baby burn 😂😂🔥 loved the video bro haha

[@meatcranium4280]

MARTINLOCZ LoL!! Thanks mane

[@MARTINLOCZ]

MeatCranium BBQ AND REVIEW no problem man ur a beast 💯😂😂

[@HeyZhankoye]

I was very impressed with your test. You have saved me 100 bucks. I am not wasting any of my money on the slow n sear. I'm sharing this video with all my bbq friends and family. Thanks!

[@meatcranium4280]

You have made a wise decision. Stay Smokey my friend

[@ricoe5306]

Thumbs up. Thanks for putting this interesting comparison together MC. Was interested in the Slow 'N Sear but have the charcoal baskets. The baskets are easy to use. Like the way you used the baskets to work a low and slow cook option. Any Vortex/Vortex clone video in the makes?

[@meatcranium4280]

Rico E Nah. I’ve never owned a vortex, however it looks like a unique product, but that can be replicated very easily. Thanks for the support and watching Brother.

[@barricadegarage5361]

This video was recommended to me by KZbin shortly after my Bronco Pro arrived

[@meatcranium4280]

BARRICADE GARAGE Holy crap!! Bronco pro!! Nice. I love my Bronco. Thanks for the support and watching.

[@keith_hudson]

🙋

[@larryboyer]

Very interesting test I have a slow and sear but it's so much different than the one you have, it has a bottom in it and a removable water pan. I also have the griddle and I set it on the exposed side of the charcoal grate which directs the air right through the slow and sear.

[@THALL0120]

I just bought those baskets about a year ago they works great.The Sns sounded good until I saw the price I rather just put that towards another grill.People can't handle constructive criticism anymore they just get triggered and act like fools.Good video!

[@meatcranium4280]

sheoop lasios THANKYOU so much I appreciate it

[@tymma2000]

I bought the SNS for overnight brisket cooks. I wasn't able to get 8 hours or steady temps of 225-250 degrees. Other comments suggested my kettle had air leaks.I owned 3 kettles at the time and got the same results. The water trough is a pain to keep clean and it warped after a few cooks. Personally, I hate buying aluminum pans for water so the SNS wasn't a total waste. I love it to reverse sear and dual zone high temp cooks. Long story less long, when youtubers you subscribe to post a paid video stating how great a pruduct is find videos from guys who 1.) paid for their own product and 2.) aren't trying to become a" youtube star." There's a lot of $ in youtube and its a job to some folks. Great video btw!

[@meatcranium4280]

I appreciate the comment. I noticed a lot of the SNS warp as well. Those must not be magical enough. Lol. Thanks for the support and watching

[@lennyg7771]

I bought a SnS for reverse sear and dual zone temp cooks as well. I got a Kamado so I don't need the SnS for slow cooks. I personally feel it is a nice product to use. Putting two small charcoal baskets together onto a couple of bricks is not for me.

[@meatcranium4280]

Lenny G BBQ You won’t get an argument out of me on that. If you like the SNS that’s cool. The small charcoal baskets are very efficient. I was responding to some people who were saying that you couldn’t sear with the small ones, The SNS is well constructed, I have few problems with it, mostly the Bulkiness of it, and the unsanitary Water trough, and most people water trough warps after awhile, not cool. Thanks for watching and the comment

[@lennyg7771]

Warping doesn't bother me (as long as it doesn't break). But, apparently this issue has been resolved with SnS 2.0. However, I don't have one to confirm that. It would be interesting to know if someone has independently tested one to confirm that.

[@jkim972]

Im glad i found this video. I was wondering whats the rage on slow n sear. I achieve the same thing by banking the coals and putting up fire brick barrier. The price is not very justified either. So even if it was marginally better than chacoal baskets, probably still wouldn’t buy it

[@laddiebordovsky3882]

Thanks for your test. I recently purchased the charcoal baskets and and planning to grill an 11 lb. trimmed brisket. I am going to use long burn charcoal and add oak pellets and pieces of mesquite. I’m doing a test run today to see for myself how long your method of overlapping the charcoal brickets . Thanks for your you-tubes. Laddie in Big Spring Tx

[@meatcranium4280]

Laddie Bordovsky Let me know how it goes. I want people to be able to make beautiful Q, and have enough money to buy the meat. Lol. Thanks for the support and watching

[@juangarcia4283]

Hmmm. It looks like someone didn't get a free S&S when all the demo units were being passed out.

[@keithbettag598]

another thumbs up on this one guy,,,,i dont have, need, or want one of those sns deals,,,,,i appreciated this series of vids, thank you

[@meatcranium4280]

keith bettag Hey Keith I’m Glad you enjoyed it. I’m not putting up with BS no more. Thanks for the support and watching Brother

[@user-gk1nt6sm2z]

The sns is designed to use water, convenient and effective. As an engineer, I have no idea what the point of this was. Entertaining nonetheless.

[@meatcranium4280]

w oke Since you were polite in your comment I’ll be polite as well. With that being said, thanks for the comment. I have addressed this no less than 20 times. Dave and Baby Back Maniac did a video of , snake method vs SNS. I that video Dave explains that using water would give to many variables, so he did not use it. I thought I explained this, I used that video as a Guide. He didn’t, so I didn’t. In any scenario the SNS should have more than defeated the lesser Charcoal baskets. The SNS is an overpriced, overhyped, gimmick. Thanks for the watching

[@edwardprokopchuk3264]

I think the heavier gauge metal of the slow n sear retains more heat that’s reflected back at the charcoal which causes them to burn up faster.

[@CookingWithCJ]

Very interesting results brother. That was awesome of you to mention Justin’s father. He is a good dude. Excited to see you get back to cooking too! Cheers!

[@meatcranium4280]

Cooking With CJ me too. I can’t wait to get back into the routine. Now that I’m done Putting Up. As always, Thanks for the support and watching CALIBRO

[@greenidguy9292]

Thank you for saving me $100 brother. KZbin needs more people like yourself...no bullshit, just the facts. New sub here...

[@meatcranium4280]

Greenid Guy Awesome man. Welcome to the family. Even worse, is that now ABC charges more, uses rivets, and use a lesser grade metal than the original one. Thanks for the support and watching Brother

[@greenidguy9292]

MeatCranium BBQ AND REVIEW You’re welcome and thank you for the great content. Oh and yeah I saw on their website they are offering some aluminized POS.

[@HeavyMetalBarBQue]

I love it! Can't wait to read the comments! Once again......it was fair and square.....can't argue with the results. Nice job explaining the process. You are right about that griddle.......definitely not thick and heavy enough to sear. But hey.....if people feel better about their grilling experience if they waste money on gadgets....then that's great. Metal On! \m/

[@meatcranium4280]

Heavy Metal Bar-B-Que Ken, You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink. I only want to provide the information. If I can help one person make make a better consumer decision then my job is done. Now it time to get back to make Beautiful Q. Thanks for the support and watching Brother

[@N1mro8]

First timer over here (on this channel), really liked it. I have the SnS (and still use it, like it), got it for fathers day for my weber grill, in other words, "Dad get off your ass and bbq" ;). But you hardly need any accessories with your weber, that's so true. Subbed!

[@meatcranium4280]

N1mro8 THANKYOU I appreciate it

[@josephdanielsstaffordshire6464]

Is there any reason you've disabled the "Like" vs "Dislike" counters?

[@meatcranium4280]

Steve Stafford Simply. I’ve been doing it for along time now, and it takes the power away from snowflakes

[@josephdanielsstaffordshire6464]

Which means? Its the first time I've seen a youtube channel that hides it's likes/dislikes. What do you have to hide?

[@meatcranium4280]

Steve Stafford A lot of people do it. I’m not giving power and satisfaction to butthurt thumbs down pushers

[@josephdanielsstaffordshire6464]

@@meatcranium4280 never seen it on any other channel. I'd suggest you reveal for clarity. If you don't, it severely undermines your whole argument.

[@meatcranium4280]

Steve Stafford No

[@ericflowers2146]

It's gotta work... It's science... LOL. First time watching but will subscribe for the fights.

[@meatcranium4280]

I’m getting back to cooking this week. I don’t want to revisit this again. I may, If I have to. But, MAN O MAN did I stir up a snowflake storm. Lol

[@meatcranium4280]

Eric Flowers it’s nice to inject some personality into the KZbin cooks group

[@jstar1000]

It got to temp quicker because there is an air gap (water reservoir) between the coles and the temp gauge and on the other one there is not. Having the sensor closer to hot coals would make it get to temp quicker. It's not rocket science.

[@meatcranium4280]

jstar1000 Very Good. All things being equal the SNS didn’t have enough coals to last. Hey, I’m going Live this Saturday, I would like for you to be on. I’m going to be talking SNS and some health news associated with it. No hate only Facts. Thanks for watching and commenting

[@jonathanrogers9961]

I lm still going slow n sear. The integrated water pan is convenient. Topping off my charcoal is no big deal. And the solid wall means you could put something on the bottom rack next to to it in addition to above it

[@220Rick]

Great videos, that is why we watch you. Thanks for shining the "LIGHT" on the slow n sear. Look forward to your next video. Still one of my favorite channels to watch, keep up the great work.

[@meatcranium4280]

Rick Short I sure do appreciate it. I am back to cooking next weekend. I glad you enjoyed it, and thanks for the support and watching

[@peteagraanjr.9404]

That's going to help me fill better about what not buy. Thanks for the tests run.

[@meatcranium4280]

Pete. Jr Agraan Mo problem. Glad to help. Thanks for the support and watching.

[@Josef_R]

Since I was about to buy SNS and this changed my mind, I'm gonna spend a little of my savings and get the Quality Grill Parts Heavy Duty SS baskets.

[@meatcranium4280]

You would be a lot better off. Thanks for the support and watching.

[@Josef_R]

@@meatcranium4280 yeah, $40 instead of $20, but way better than $99.

[@jacklowe3788]

Where do you get stainless baskets for 22" Weber?

[@Josef_R]

@@jacklowe3788 I had ordered a set from Amazon when I posted this, but the vendor didn't have what they were selling, so I just bought a set of Weber baskets. Couldn't find the SS anywhere else. The Webers are holding up pretty well so far.

[@meatcranium4280]

Jack Lowe On EBay. They have almost a yellowish tint to them in the pictures.

[@ulceration1]

I agree the S/S is not a necessary piece of equipment . A fuse method with out even charcoal baskets works well . I used the snake method for a long time . However I like the S/S for convenience . It makes clean up a breeze ( after BBQ ) . The water column does not sit under the meat therefore , the foil under the meat collects the drippings which, after cooling down congeal and I simply throw the foil away . The remaining water in the column , I can dump out on the ground . No messy greasy water to poor into a container-- as when I use to use a drip /water pan under the meat . Its a convenience thing for me and I like it .

[@BBQvibesLONGBOARDrides]

Bro! LOVE this video! Been grilling for 20 years, but new to Kettle. Got the Weber 26” and (without knocking anyone) just didn’t like how it seemed like everyone was saying SNS is “the only way to go”. I live in Canada and a SNS up here was going to cost me about $275. Thanks for helping save my money. Love the technique tips of going basket to basket as well as the bricks under the baskets to sear. Can’t wait to check out more of your videos! Keep up the good work! 👍

[@meatcranium4280]

K.C. Graham I have reviewed many items and almost everything by Adrenaline BBQ I do not like. I will be putting the SNS against the BBQ DRAGON GRILL STONE soon, that is only $50. Thanks for the support and watching Brother

[@rodrich1644]

Great comparison. I would like to see you compare the $50 Vortex to these $15 baskets.

[@meatcranium4280]

Rod Rich I really don’t know much about the vortex, Quite honestly I don’t here much of them at all. The concept seems to be good, the owner doesn’t travel around making claims of his product. You are probably the 6th person to mention the vortex to me

[@Mayrose587]

I bought an SnS and used it to cook a 9.5 lb pork butt on a weber kettle grill on the Saturday before labor day. I was looking for something that would hold temp (my weber) and provide a steady sources of fuel to cook this 9.5 lb beast. I cooked this thing to 200 degrees in 9 hours and NEVER had to refill the SnS. The Q turned out great! I'm a believer in the SnS. I bought the XL SnS for my 26 inch weber and it has a bottom to it. The only thing I would change is to make sure I check the water reservoir or make sure I have a pan of water in the bottom. My drip pan had a little water in it but I'll put more next time. I love the SnS.

[@meatcranium4280]

Mayrose587 Awesome to hear. The SNS FOR A 26 inch is Bigger thus holds more fuel. I could probably accomplish the same feat with the same amount of coals in the Baskets. I glad you enjoyed The SNS. Thanks for watching and commenting

[@kevinlinney1827]

I really like how you tell it how it is and that you dont think your better than anyone

[@meatcranium4280]

Kevin Linney Thanks a lot, that’s huge. I want the consumer to get great products while not getting a load of BS sent there way. Thanks for the support and watching Brother

[@nerwogs]

I just came across your video, appreciate the work! However, I think your approach is biased because you tried it without meat. If you were to retry this experiment again with meat, I guess that you would have to rotate meat much more often on the grill equipped with standard weber charcoal holder because it will burn on the closer side to heat, which will mean many more times of opening and closing lid. This will likely jeopardize your temp control and be more uncomfortable than the SNS. PS: I do not own either of these products :) I hope you do a re-test...

[@joejoe7708]

Lol, 1st time watcher. Funny. Great Video. Going to try this.

[@meatcranium4280]

Joe Joe LOL. I’m glad you enjoyed it

[@outdooredchannel]

Thanks for doing the comparison. Not really a surprise. I watched one of those SNS vs snake-method videos a while back and viewed the results with skepticism. These comparisons, which are not scientific experiments of course, can be done any number of ways. I appreciate how you kept it simple. I'll leave the science to unbiased professionals (like those looking at climate change) and use common sense where it counts, by avoiding overpriced and over-hyped products. Cheers!

[@meatcranium4280]

Outdoor Ed LOL. Cheers Ed. That was Great. I am offering people an alternative. Thanks for the support and watching

[@leonjacobs5618]

Doesn’t matter what you say, I will always have a slow n sear as long as I have a Weber.

[@markreed9398]

It’s America or Europe whatever. Do as you please. He wasn’t trying. To change your mind and boycott ABC. He just wanted to show you have options if you are thinking about getting one. Like they say “To Each Their Own🤷‍♂️”

[@desmundlighten3603]

@@markreed9398 he actually was quite literally trying to change your mind. Highlighted by him throwing the product in the trash

[@tabeyloccs8682]

I think it would have been a closer comparison if you put the grates on top and the temp probe at grate level. The heat is rising and the water reservoir area is blocking direct heat to the probe compared to the Weber baskets. Just my .02 I think the SnS would have held over 200. I can testify to having 9 hours of 225 with a basket of charcoal. But I used the Weber baskets as well and could usually get about 7 hours then have to reload a bit not a big deal. Both are great products

[@meatcranium4280]

Tabey Loccs There simply was not enough coals for it to continue. At best they were tied.. I am not impressed with theSNS. Thanks for watching and commenting

[@mgarwatoski]

Thanks for this! You just saved me a lot of money.

[@meatcranium4280]

Apex Brewer I’m glad I could offer you some valuable information. Thanks for the support and watching

[@calibluntman4206]

😎😎 Just enjoyed your video's👊👊, I'm a new fan,keep up the awesome content 🤜🤛

[@meatcranium4280]

Cali Bluntman420 Thanks Brother, I appreciate the support

[@MisfitSince85]

I own a SNS and over the years I thought this thing isn’t really isn’t that special. I had better results with homemade expanded steel baskets or one original Weber basket. I always assumed it was me, my kingsford blue, my slightly leaky beat up kettle (Old faithful from 02) and can’t seem to keep my cooker going longer than 6 hours. I get slightly longer times paper clipping the lid shut and it really isn’t longer by much. I don’t hate it, more less I hate that I bought it. The bottom grate that “holds the coal in” had almost become detached from the poorly penetrated TIG welds. The ground down corners (that cut me BTW..should’ve saw it as a sign) and raw finish i received wasn’t worth in my opinion what I paid for it. But I have been using it non stop since I’ve obtained in a few years back since I gave away my baskets! It has helped smoke plenty of ribs, chicken and pork over the years so it’s earned it’s keep. Would I ever buy another one? No. Would I recommend one at this point? No. But I can’t get rid of it and it will get used until I see no use for it or I make or buy another basket. 🤙🏾

[@meatcranium4280]

Screwloooose GOOD STUFF!! I just want people to know that they have options, that The SNS isn’t Magical, Revolutionary, or anything else that it gets tagged with. ITS A FREEKIN CHARCOAL BASKET!! If someone likes the SNS buy it, if not, Don’t. I appreciate you commenting and watching

[@BigBeardedBubba]

so question…other than longevity how do the 304 baskets compare to the weber? I mean do they hold about the same work about the same…the stainless just being a much nicer better made version?

[@meatcranium4280]

I still have and use the 304 Weber baskets and they hold the same if not more than the SNS. The newer SNS’s are not 304 SS anymore, they went to a lesser 400 grade steel which is a downgrade of the 304.

[@JoshandBabe]

Great video series Meathead. You presented a lot of facts. We think you are awesome, and you did the entire series in a very professional way. Great job!!!! You deserve far more than 3.6K subs..... because you are legit. Cheers!

[@meatcranium4280]

Josh and Babe I agree I absolutely do deserve more. However I don’t do any other social media but KZbin. I get in my own may as well, because I am Brash and Brutally honest. I appreciate your support and I’m glad you liked this series

[@mckeon1960]

Are you inside a car port or garage, resin being I was wondering if it would be ok to use weber in 10x12 wooden shed with door open in our lovely wet cold winter around 37° now, jusy curious thanks great review as usual

[@meatcranium4280]

Ann Mc Keon Collins As long as you have plenty of ventilation, You should be okay. Now you may make the room Smokey which isn’t good. When it rains I bring it to just under the roof where it’s protected. Thanks for the support and watching

[@hoosierkettle605]

I haven't watched the series. I just watched your closing comments on this video and that was all I needed to see to agree with you on this topic. I've been using a kettle for 20 years and the sns is a glorified large charcoal basket. Nothing wrong with that if it makes what you already do convenient in some way but personally, it is not worth it. I made a video using a large charcoal basket made out of 2 weber baskets in my 26". works fantastic. I get just as good of results searing with no baskets. Just banked charcoal. I can't reiterate enough that all that is needed is a kettle, charcoal, and meat. A lot of new people seem to be under the impression that you need gadgets to make great food. The chef makes the food, not the gadgets. Again, nothing wrong with owning and using accessories if you enjoy that aspect of the hobby and I wish sns continued success even if I disagree with their "Science"

[@meatcranium4280]

HoosierKettle I agree. If someone wants to purchase an SNS, God Bless them, if not, God Bless them too, I Just purchased 2 Weber Charcoal 430 stainless steel charcoal baskets. On EBAY FOR $36.56, those will last forever. Thanks for the support and watching

[@hoosierkettle605]

you still paid too much. a couple weber charcoal rails for $10 would have worked too. ;-)

[@jamesfarmer2748]

So true brother. I smoked two racks of ribs on my kettle grill last week with free pecan wood I scavenged after a hurricane Nate. I just stacked the charcoal carefully on one side and use foil pans full of water to regulate temp. Man they turned out great.

[@pr0nstarz]

The difference between the two for me (emphasis on me) is that I don't have to spend time nursing the vents with a slow and sear. Maybe thats a reflection of my abilities, but even still, my time is worth more than fiddling with vents to figure out how to get it consistent every time. My time is worth more than the upfront cost. I don't really care about saving money on charcoal. The 20-60 dollar slab of meat is worth more than a couple dollars of charcoal I'd be theoretically be saving.

[@meatcranium4280]

Michael Freeman good comment. Imagine how much meat you could buy without buying a SNS. The original SNS was better than the crap there turning out now. The new ones have that screen on the bottom and it chokes off the oxygen going to the coals, as talked about by the late Phil in Florence. I like room in my pit to cook, and not having 40% of the room taken over by a bulky basket that really does nothing magical or special. I know there’s a lot of die in the wool SNS fans out there and no matter what I say or think will influence them, and that’s okay. I do appreciate you not leaving a trolling comment, So I know that I can actually have a conversation with you. Thanks for the support and watching.

[@paulh6517]

@@meatcranium4280 OMG, I did not know Phil had died. I loved his videos.

[@meatcranium4280]

@@paulh6517 yeah man really sand. He was a down to earth guy. He will be missed.

[@StoneMountainAdventures]

Gonna be honest bro. I'm so glad this is over... lol get back in the kitchen hahaha. My take on the "gimmick" we all get wrapped up in gimmicks. It's no different in any merchandise on the market. I use a SNS, it was a gift, and I am very appreciative of that. However, I understand it isn't a must have to produce great food. I like the SNS, but mostly because of ease of use. In the past I would just snake it and that worked fine. I would have never bought a sns on my own. However having one, I plan to use it as much as possible. The one thing I think could have been omitted is the claim that others have been ridiculed by Dave for not using a Weber. If that is going to be a claim, I feel like those folks should have agreed to provide proof and let you post it. Otherwise it's hear say and not necessary for the testing. Regardless, I'm excited to see you get back to recipes and cooking. Take care man.

[@meatcranium4280]

Stone Mountain BBQ Jason Man its good to see you. Those KZbinrs can come forth if they want to. I don’t lie or deceive anyone. I see what your saying. The SNS is well constructed but the claims are all Gimmicks and smoke and mirrors. Don’t be a stranger. Thanks for your support and watching brother

[@Liftforlife]

I know I would be happy to use one if it were a gift.

[@wheat1096]

laughing my but off there are a lot of things I have learned and taught people learn to never never challenge a MARINE/NAVY SEAL and never challenge meadhead . nice bro ..love it when you do a TRUE product review...

[@meatcranium4280]

WHEAT H I am a Dad to a Marine. I don’t put up with nonsense and shady snakeoil Salesmen. Everybody seems to be scared to make ripples in the KZbin Cooks Community, well that needs to change. We need to call out BS and hold companies accountable. thanks for the support and watching

[@McFlysGarage]

I appreciate the methodical approach to it.

[@EduardoVega]

oh men, every time for some unknown reason I think about buying the SnS I came to watch your video to un-brainwash and you safe me $$ :) thanks !

[@meatcranium4280]

LOL!! I’m glad I saved you from making a bad decision. I will be doing a BBQ DRAGON GRILL STONE 🆚 SNS Soon. Thanks for the support and watching Brother

[@marty5300]

So the baskets lasted a little longer, really not much difference between the two. The only thing I wanted the S&S for is that barrier between the coals and the food. Plusses and minuses. They could be a bit cheaper but it serves a specific function that I want, and it's ok for me.

[@meatcranium4280]

Fill vegetable cans with sand or water for free. SNS is a waste of money.

[@nigel8499]

One key feature of the 'Slow' part of the slow and sear is the water reservoir. I fully understand why you emitting filling the reservoir, but in doing so you took away all the benefits of the slow cooking aspect. The design of the reservoir acts as a buffer zone, that could not be replicated with Weber baskets and cans on water.....but you could try in the future...and this would be interesting also.

[@chrisg2739]

Nigel you know the heat rises up not across, right? If the water reservoir was above the coals it would act as a buffer.

[@nigel8499]

@@chrisg2739 yes heat rises upwards as we all know. However a certain about of radiant heat will go to the sides. The reservoir will reduce heat loss. Thanks for replying.

[@chrisg2739]

Nigel how will it reduce the heat loss. The heat is still produced. If it can’t pass through it rises. It’s why the vortex heater works the way it does, it focuses heat upward. A blast furnace is insulated but it’s heat produced is focused in a direction. The slow and sear produces the same heat with or without the reservoir filled. It doesn’t slow the burning of the charcoal because water insulated the radiant heat in that single axis. The water if anything will add moisture to the cooking chamber more conveniently. Thanks for your reply

[@meatcranium4280]

Nigel You are being Grossly misled. Why did they not use water in the reservoir in the Snake Method vs SNS video they did? It was an even Ballgame Buddy. Radiant heat would be contained if I put playground sand in there. Water has nothing to do with it. You are falling for there BS. Chef Johnny questioned ABC on the same matter, and got a quick rude response. Chef Johnny is an actual Professional that knows what he is talking about. My Daughter in Law And Granddaughter are going to give MERLIN a face lift, it’s time he looks Magical.

[@meatcranium4280]

Mongoose Viper ABC hasn’t even used water in the SNS vs Snake Method. Its a line of BS PUt out there so people can hold hope.

[@stevekinnaird6835]

The extra opening on the sides of the baskets allow it to burn hotter and faster. This not a true apples to apples test. I personally like the control that the SNS gives me.