Smash Ultimate Wouldn't Exist Without Melee

[@SlushTV]

And then everyone turned out to be sex offenders. Follow me --> twitter.com/SlushTV_

[@buiItnotbought]

Idk he did the years of research so....

[@JosoLifts]

Salem's a bitch

[@Wulf_YT]

Hey man can you tell me what's the first song used in this video pls?

[@Faulheit]

I love how much debate between melee and brawl/smash4/ultimate there is while smash 64 is big chillin

[@Thelivingmonkeygaming]

I mean no one can really talk shit about 64 bc they wouldn't even have their game if it weren't for 64, and 64 players are all chill soooooo

[@braxinIV]

Faulheit that’s Grandpa Smash. You don’t fuck with Grandpa Smash. He birthed all these fools.

[@dad4436]

64 players are so chill, they don't give a fuck they just play 64

[@mcdonald5519]

"Much more complex combos" *Proceeds to show roy up airing 5 times in a row*

[@pierrebidkhanian3135]

lol ya i noticed that too with roy che?

[@magedits5433]

well that actually isn't that simple you gotta L cancel, time the attack to hit with the right hit box, follow the opponent's DI, plus roy sucks lmao

[@Raven-gx4kj]

@@magedits5433 he showed a clip of smash ultimate roy doing the up airs

[@KoldIceKillaz]

Tbh melee players (including myself) are going back. Everyone shits on melee for having no characters but each character has so much... character but in smash ultimate characters more or less have same simple grab combos

[@00ooo000o]

for real, there are very few technical characters in ultimate, while melee has ALL technical characters

[@eCstaTicBomB]

It's not that melee has no characters, but if you ever want to win anything substantial in that game, you're basically limited to like 10 characters. That's less than half of the roster. Don't get me wrong, I love watching competitive melee, but it's the same handful of characters (Fox, Shiek, Puff, Falcon) every time in top 8. I'm not saying it's a shit game, but it is terribly unbalanced.

[@hps362]

I feel nothing when watching Ultimate. That being said, it is the perfect gateway into melee, as its skill curve is a lot less daunting so it's easier to know what's going on and easier to become good. Then you go to melee, and you get hooked.

[@dabsouljaboy]

@@eCstaTicBomB I have reached the opinion of loving the imbalance that Melee offers because when I'm playing with some friends who are newer to the game I can fuck around on characters like Roy and still try my hardest to bust some sick combos. I think there are some extreme examples that I would refer more to as brokenness than imbalance, like G&W bad shield and lack of L-cancel on some moves, but I think Melee having a large spectrum of perceived usefulness in its cast is really cool.

[@rayminishi689]

Improvised combos exist in Melee from the ridiculous amount of hitstun every move has. If Ultimate had that, we'd see a narrower selection of competitive characters.

[@mxcascade]

7:40 hilarious timing to put Salem rofl

[@irvin5294]

"Even if we choose not to compete in it, we are still able to respect it". Nail on the fucking head right there.

[@jasonmosher8047]

Got close, but my favorite part of Melee, the movement, is still heavily lacking unfortunately.

[@mallow2902]

I enjoy Ultimate, but my biggest issue is that platforms feels more limited than in Melee, with the main problem being that you can't slide off of them.

[@tommyl.dayandtherunaways820]

I like how they’ve been slowly increasing the movement speed again in each game after Brawl. Ultimate is easily the closest to Melee in that sense. It’s still a little too floaty for my liking, but definitely a big improvement. Aside from that, I love the variety of the cast, it feels more balanced in some ways.

[@lionman9995]

“The idea of acclomplishment doesn’t stem from beating the game, but rather mastering it” dunkey.

[@Athesies]

People really dont give sm4sh credit enough for being a step in the right direction, thanks for recognising that in this video

[@browk2512]

9:19 ESAM WITH HAIR AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[@MoldyG]

11:33 "much more complex combos and punishes" just upairs 3 times in a row

[@Pepitossj4]

Awesome video , the game is very good but they need to fix online

[@50andURnotLOLOLOL]

The best part about Smash Ultimate streams is when they end and Melee starts.

[@GlinkBetweenWorlds]

It is reassuring that Sakurai seems to be paying some attention to the competitive community. It's interesting that Nintendo had yet to have a solid E-sport aside from Melee, hopefully Ultimate can fulfill that gap. I guess EVO will be revealing of that to a degree. Also enjoyed how you brought your own personal story into this, even if it was just to show off your sick plays.

[@jimpa7011]

You guys kinda have the same voice... Glink, are you slush???

[@Warclimb64]

12:08 Great moment. Touchè

[@blubbarbs]

To be honest, I think this video overstates how much Ultimate healed the rift between the two communities. While I agree that it did a lot for the hostilities and Melee players can understand the game more, to say that Ultimate completely unified us and healed the rift is wrong. The vast majority of Melee players still prefer Melee by far; most of the people who initially played Ultimate have gone back to Melee by this point. Ultimate also still lacks a LOT in terms of gameplay. Ultimate did not bring back dash dancing as you said, it's still just better foxtrotting since you still can't dash backwards at any point in your initial dash. Furthermore, I would argue with the severe nerf to SDI and with how weak DI is, Ultimate actually has shallower punishes than Smash 4. Punishes in Ultimate are extremely cookie cutter and resemble traditional fighting game combos MUCH more than any game in the series with how you have to memorize the moves and execute. DI mixups and reverse hits are not a thing in Ultimate which makes punishes even shallower as well

[@Hugo_Prolovski]

Now melee has rollback and the world is another one

[@Kaemble]

"Oh and fuck Salem" lmaooo

[@edisezam5741]

SLUSH HISTORY OF AXEEEE AND ILL LOVE YOU FOREVER

[@millionshadesofdarkness2165]

only thing missing is the option to turn off Smash attacks from your [A button]directional input and keep them c stick only. That way i can do tilts better with the A button. Smash 4 did that right. i had NO input issues in that game

[@joelmankinen]

Try to put sensivity to low, it helps with tilts

[@millionshadesofdarkness2165]

@@joelmankinen i use the C stick to do tilts in ultimate bc even at low, smash attacks would come out when i try to tilt attack with A

[@joelmankinen]

@@millionshadesofdarkness2165 okay

[@bahaman19901]

MillionShadesofDarkness just don’t hold it full in the direction

[@cfalcon8342]

Ultimate only has

[@smwnerd5144]

As a long time smash fan that has played all the games I think Ultimate may be my favorite. Don't get me wrong, I love melee but ultimate feels so much smoother on my opinion.

[@smwnerd5144]

In*

[@aceragnarok9451]

I only have one real gripe with the Melee community. Everything has to be the same. I get it having stuff like wavedashing and stuff like that would be awesome but they even get mad when nintendo does not add a tiny thing that makes it "Braindead" or whatever

[@lemonysnicket6707]

I dont know what kind of melee players you're talking to

[@Ninjaananas]

@@lemonysnicket6707 The average Melee player.

[@JosoLifts]

Good shit bro. I love your documentaries/video essays man

[@scottbackman2908]

Thanks for the 64 love. I don't think people realize how similar melee and 64 compared to the rest of the series. Both are masterpieces for sure

[@bahaman19901]

Dash dancing was not removed, it was just bad due to tripping I am pretty sure

[@Raven-gx4kj]

Dash dancing was definitely removed

[@pascalviens927]

Slush out here with more S tier content.

[@kuuja4345]

Aged like *milk*

[@davidheheh]

this aged like milk

[@alula563]

Very good and detailed vid about the history of competitive smash in general. Great vid!

[@MasterEth]

I now understand why this channel talks so much about smash XD

[@wc999]

ultimate isn't going to be winning any melee player over anytime soon

[@ultimatumgamer4962]

obviously u weren't watching the video

[@TheEpere15]

Armada, wizzrobe, plup, leffen (for the most part) play the game, with wizzy and plup doing really well in it in particular. So, with that alone you're wrong. Hbox also plays and is becoming a bigger part of it's scene. Mang0 I dont think plays much anymore, but has stated that he genuinely likes the game offline and has made friends with a number of it's top players. I grew up on 64 and brawl, and used to really hate melee people for being so mean. Now today I actually really like and appreciate what melee did, and have come to like parts of both scenes. Just think it's great ultimate really has brought everyone closer together despite what you and some other melee people still say. People can prefer which ever game they want, but be fair and respect others

[@Kaz999998]

@@TheEpere15 Yeah I was about to say, lots of legacy Melee players are literally moving over to Ultimate, if not at the very least playing it alongside Melee.

[@VinKprofile]

Great vid my guy

[@seanjessee0610]

Truly amazing video. Couldn't have said it better myself!

[@failedprocesses2993]

Better than melee imo, it has more balance, everybody can do something, it's hype and you don't have to watch a meta ruled by the same ten characters, I like melee but ultimate will always be my preference, though I see a lot of melee players in the comments trashing ultimate in some form, they're different games, Melee is honestly just a downgrade for me, but it can be an upgrade to somebody else, it's preference, if you like a faster game with more emphasis on knowing what you can do, and ultimate is a fast game with more emphasis on just being able to get short combos and satisfying hits.

[@9ensokyo.]

melee is better than ultimate imo, it's more complex all characters are fun, IT'S SO HYPE you need to learn to adapt in the meta i like ultimate but melee is better

[@failedprocesses2993]

Anybody can claim any smash game is better, but it's down to opinion and preference, Melee has a higher skill cap, sure, but ultimate's balance and character diversity is my drive to the game, Melee just happens to not fit my play-style as well, I'm glad you like melee, and I won't argue anything you said personally, because I agree, it is more hype for certain, as I said, I like Ultimate because of something melee doesn't give me personally.

[@takuchinowona9554]

Whats the melee music at 1:00

[@9ensokyo.]

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[@RK-zc6gj]

Better than melee as an overall game, but not as good in a competitive aspect.

[@aceragnarok9451]

Really amazing video. Keep this up dude

[@matiasmoreno3562]

I started on 64, tried Melee and didnt saw any special, Brawl was crap, 4 was pretty nice, moved on Ultimate, but, i went back to Melee after understanding it... and now is my favourite. Long live to Melee ♥

[@GoodieM8]

I love melee and dont play ultimate anymore because i hate it but even though i hate it i still believe that its the best smash game. It has sooo much content and definitely has had extreme amounts of work put into it and of course it successfully managed to unite melee players with smash 4 players sort of. So lots of credit to ultimate for being a great game. I just love melee more :)

[@sethswoodruff]

Honestly I’ve kind of moved on from melee to ultimate. I honestly and personally think both games are equal in greatness in their own regards. I’m going to be playing ultimate for a long time

[@slushyized]

hehe, that's kinda funny. i didnt try

[@flareshmoney]

How are you so sure that Sakurai was behind shutting Melee down at EVO? I bet Sakurai had nothing to do with it.

[@Raven-gx4kj]

It wasn't sakurai. He doesn't have the authority to make those decisions. It was nintendo

[@igligl5021]

jontron is my favorite brawl player

[@jimpa7011]

Top 10 overrated games

[@solidbanjobanjo9367]

Nintendo tried to shut down a charity event... nice

[@GabeNwagbala]

Hey slush why do you have Abby trott the singer of lifelight?

[@SlushTV]

Lmao I don't hate her or the song, just a stupid joke that I decided to make

[@GabeNwagbala]

@@SlushTV ok that makes sense.

[@PS11-11]

Great video bro love this can’t wait to see the next video you drop - laz

[@RemiGemini]

this was beautiful

[@DRRRRZ]

this didnt age well...

[@Raven-gx4kj]

Why

[@Diegoxiooo]

Broooooo I love your videos of history of Dr and shroud, can you pls make a history video of Chocotacoooo plsss maaan!

[@soulmantis4627]

Melee HD pls

[@Juhheli]

Thank you

[@AlexElectric9001]

This makes me want DotA 3. Sequels are good for esports!

[@utjason35]

This was amazing

[@pij3333]

13:56 lol

[@d1e6o45]

I never played melee :c, but I'm sure that I will enjoy it when I get it

[@cdizelda2794]

You could use dolphin to play it if you have a pc

[@humbletreestump8134]

Nintendo still does not like melee and does not want another melee. This became obvious to me when they left bayo broken so smash 4 would die and ultimate would take over. Never forget this. Nintendo is a great company but they are still a company. I promise at the end of ultimate the exact same thing will happen.

[@PocketNachos]

wait wtf you went to GOML??? I've been going for the past 3 years and I haven't seen you once.

[@SlushTV]

I competed at every GOML up until 2017. I don't enter tournaments anymore but I did stop by the venue last year to hang out.

[@PocketNachos]

@@SlushTV ahh okay. I started going in 2017 and have gone every year since so far.

[@Raven-gx4kj]

I like every smash game

[@Scourgebornishere]

Ultimate is still shallow and not even close to a "great" sequel. If they cant do better than a game from 2001 can you really call that the BEST possible sequel?

[@SlushTV]

I stand by my reasoning

[@Scourgebornishere]

@@SlushTV I think its shoddy reasoning at best but ok.

[@aceragnarok9451]

What more can you ask for. You can never please these people

[@SlushTV]

Scourge is not concerned about the fact that there are many Smashers that like the games from brawl and onward but not melee. They would likely not play melee HD if it were to be released today because they like the later smash style more.

[@00ooo000o]

somehow i agree with both sides

[@x9x9x9x9x9]

I will never understand why melee is 4 stocks smash 4 was 2 and ultimate is 3. I think 3 stocks makes the most sense or 1 stock (because the last stock is always the best) but 2 stocks and 4 stocks is weird to me.

[@seanjessee0610]

x9x9x9x9x9 I don’t think one stock would be good, because there wouldn’t be enough time to adapt. Also they could just get gimped, and it wouldn’t be fun to watch.

[@x9x9x9x9x9]

@@seanjessee0610 True it would make for some boring sets unless everything was like first to 5 or something. 3 stocks really does seem best but 1 stock matches would be interesting.

[@seanjessee0610]

x9x9x9x9x9 They would be interesting though.

[@seanjessee0610]

x9x9x9x9x9 also, I think that Melee has four sticks because it is such a fast game.

[@maltesandkvist1716]

Ultimate is cool and all but the best thing to come out of this game yet is hbox almost winning over Salem.

[@TheEpere15]

Prefer leffen beating Salem

[@123UJEAN]

I start playing malee and ultimate after watching ur video lol. You shine me a new light mate.

[@pawgchampion9189]

The game is good, but it sure isn’t on melee’s level.

[@SlushTV]

Nothing will ever be as good as melee. I'm just more interested in what Ultimate's release has done for the community

[@Raven-gx4kj]

I agree

[@retenh3932]

yeah no

[@cynaidepills]

My dude took my name why ?

[@soribel346]

Do the story of g2 pengu pls

[@VelaniTheOne]

idk where you are getting this from, everyone hates ultimate now, both melee and ultimate players

[@SRM13]

notice how you said now dipshit? this video was when the game was wtill very ell recived by both communities

[@The-df6xu]

Slap city

[@dizzymetrics]

Playing it is completely fine for some casual fun, but man is it a chore to spectate :(

[@flame85246]

Pretty sure the respect isn’t there. Ever hear Leffen talk about Ultimate? He hates it.

[@SlushTV]

In my defense, when I made the video leffen was really into ult and hadn't started hating on it so hard yet. Regardless, it's still the only official non melee smash game to have so many melee players enter it in tournament (cross smash summit)

[@BadmouthBlooper]

The respect was there for sure in the beginning, but as the games meta has progressed people are realizing how stale it is. The combos aren't as freeform as we thought they'd be, boring bread and butter spam, tons of input delay making the game a game of RPS half the time, safe retreating aerials etc.

[@dereklewis4321]

When your competition is Brawl and S4 its not that hard.

[@jessingtons-6589]

Derek Lewis What is brawl?

[@thesuntitan]

I just wish people would stop shitting on anything that isn't Melee under every KZbin vod. Gives Melee players a bad rep too

[@thesuntitan]

@UBF It is indeed a loud and obnoxious minority, I just wanted to point out an example of the kind of shitty attitude Brawl players had to put up for years

[@aceragnarok9451]

@UBF i have literally encountered like five comments that literally just say "Ultimate sucks"

[@lemonysnicket6707]

@@aceragnarok9451 and this is only an extremely small portion of the Melee community so it still doesnt mean most or even half of the Melee community likes to hate on Ultimate

[@lilsoonerfaninmo]

'Ultimate wouldnt have exsisted without Melee' Well thats kinda a 'No shit' moment there chief. Thats like saying I wouldn't exsist without my parents. Its kinda common sense homie Also, didnt know that a hella rushed game where falling through the stage is also somehow classified as advanced tech

[@GoodieM8]

i get the feeling you have never actually played melee before

[@lilsoonerfaninmo]

@@GoodieM8 Irrelevant, my G

[@GoodieM8]

@@lilsoonerfaninmo i think its VERY relevant lmfao

[@lilsoonerfaninmo]

@@GoodieM8 How so? Because the way I see it, saying that a sequel wouldnt exsist withouth its previous game is kinda obvious and cringeworthy. I dont need to play every game in exsistence to know that shit Now whether or not Ultimate would be the same if the competitive scene wasnt so popular (warranted or otherwise), a little hard to say, but to credit Melee for everything Ultimate did.... Thats like saying if you win a Noble Peace Prize or some shit, it should actually go to your parents cause they gave birth to you. Nevermind your oen acomplishiments because you were just a biproduct of someome else

[@GoodieM8]

@@lilsoonerfaninmo i was referring to the last part of your comment

[@Boxman-GG]

Smash u is Still not fast enough to stand up to melee

[@Raven-gx4kj]

By smash u, do you mean smash for wii u or smash ultimate?

[@Boxman-GG]

@@Raven-gx4kj ultimate

[@vjoe5389]

Well it did at first but now it's dying, or at least crumbling apart at a very fast rate. Poor sakurai, he can never catch a break. He nearly kills himself to make this game, he works hard on the dlc characters, and for what? A bunch of ungrateful people, toxic people, and now sex offenders are ruining sakurais masterpiece of a game.

[@Raven-gx4kj]

I disagree with this video. Ultimate did not bring back dash dancing and the combos really aren't that complex in ultimate. It's mostly neutral game. And melee players do not respect ultimate at all

[@user-kz9rw6gf5f]

THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO TELL EVERYONE SINCE DECEMBER 2018!!!!!

[@E-Brightvoid]

Ultimate sucks

[@aceragnarok9451]

Get a life

[@Purriah]

wow first for once ever

[@tyreek5587]

ultimate still sucks melee forever

[@rtr9652]

❔

[@frame3862]

salem did nothing wrong