SM64 MOAT DOOR SKIP!! - Bypass 1st Bowser Fight

[@pannenkoek2012]

We did it -reddit- SM64 crew!

[@TylerKehne]

pannenkoek2012 10/10 meme

[@Quate32]

:')

[@1ted59]

Kreygasm

[@1ted59]

pannenkoek2012 Also "There is another trick named hyperspeed walking that we're almost certain works" Parallel Universes in abc confirmed?

[@TylerKehne]

1ted59 In castle grounds yeah, but I don't know about anywhere else. I really hope so, cuz there are some places it could really help, like SA entry and THI reds.

[@sonicpacker]

For the record, this BLJ reaches -5.24 million speed XD

[@9fly640]

I did this on non-tas

[@sonicpacker]

9Redfly I was just stating a fact to people wondering. More speed is easily possible (even infinite speed), but our intention wasn't to max the elevator BLJ speed; it was to get a very, VERY specific number, which no one will ever be able to do non-TAS.

[@Leroyteam]

sonicpacker still amazing how you pulled this off.

[@jongyon7192p]

sonicpacker What speeds could be reached non-tas?

[@sonicpacker]

DeRockProject & the Attack of the Really Long Channel Name how fast can you tap the A button :P

[@teckworks]

Thanks to pannenkeok2012, I know EXACTLY what's going on here.

[@Maebbie]

He even did half an A press, which you cant do since an A press is an A press

[@martinbaraldilobe3334]

B U I L D S P E E D F O R T W E L V E H O U R S

[@peethan007]

TJ """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Henry""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Yoshi

[@thenotsogreatminecrafter2272]

TG """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Henry"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Yoshi

[@laurarico1200]

Love this game

[@ieatpaper]

Very simple, easy tutorial to follow. Got it instantly.

[@delta2317]

I see you are trying to eat Nintendos game code alive... Would you like help with that? (In reference to your name btw)

[@trentthen642]

Delta This didn’t age well

[@h8GW]

Yes, I didn't even need to turn on my console. It instantly happened once I touched the controller, and there I was, on the roof talking to Yoshi.

[@Epic7jb]

@@trentthen642 I see you are a mobile speedrunner…

[@Boblight69]

marios think you got coo coo crazy

[@gridking]

Its actually absurd how smart SM64 TAS'ers/Speedrunners are

[@hugostiglitz4452]

honestly thought it was a TAS for a minute

[@Maxawa0851]

@@hugostiglitz4452 it is

[@atorrrand]

It's a tas​@@hugostiglitz4452

[@KazeN64]

WILL WE FINALLY SEE SUB 10

[@KazeN64]

***** do you srsly not get the joke

[@TylerKehne]

Kaze Emanuar lol what did he say

[@orangesya7649]

we did see sub 10. a year later. finally here

[@Wtahc]

what did he say?

[@beachturkey7643]

Whens Last Impact 2 Kappa

[@Entotrte]

Has science gone too far?

[@TheGael95]

nah xD

[@FourthDerivative]

Science hasn't even gotten warmed up yet. Check out the "1 key" TAS for a taste of what's now possible :)

[@someguylostontheinternet4504]

Obviously since tas is great!

[@Akfamilyhome]

At first it was just a test to see if SM64 can be beaten under 70 stars. But then... ...parallel universes.

[@heave-ho6864]

+Akfamilyhome The funny part is that to someone new to this sort of thing, that part about "parallel universes" might seem like a joke, but it's actually not.

[@OddlyHappy]

And then we just figure out how to wrong warp to the last bowser fight. Seriously though the things you can do in this game is insane.

[@chainchump]

Nearly 20 years on, this game still has its surprises. This is a fantastic video, well done guys :)

[@CadBrad]

Beautiful, simply beautiful. Between getting the Impossible Coin and this, the once dreams of breaking the game are finally being fulfilled.

[@Tlaloc1]

So, instead of using a key, you can do a bunch of insane matrix fuckery, and jump around like you are on the fucking moon. This is amazing.

[@phazondude117]

Dang, it's like we got research scientists still coming up with ways to glitch the game even more. They should make this into a class in college. We'll be having Ph.D in Bug Research & Theory. lol, we'll get paid in bags of doritos and Mountain dew

[@4212luigi]

after 19 years, the sm64 community has done it. GG GUYS!!! :V

[@xlukasx1995]

Luigihaxd ;(

[@Pridmoney]

Great job pulling off the moat door skip! Incredible effort, didn't think it would happen ever. Thanks for the description too.

[@giraffelove12]

its a tas so it was ez

[@SuperViperT302]

I never thought this day would come. HUGE shoutout to Tyler Kehne !

[@ptnsmuls9393]

Nintendo: "Mario can't open doors that are underwater." SPsm64TAS: Oh really? We'll see about that.

[@PlushSM64]

LOL GET REKT MURICA, SHALL THE WEABOO REIGN RISE AND SHINE

[@bobthegiraffemonkey]

I was sure that no Bowser skip would ever happen, but glitch hunters too OP. I wonder if there will be more of this type of ABC (Avoiding Bowser Challenge).

[@groszak1]

ABC is already A Button Challenge (minimize A presses)

[@bobthegiraffemonkey]

Yeah, that was the joke.

[@cyan1280]

avoiding bowser LMAO

[@TylerKehne]

dank collab

[@pannenkoek2012]

John Yorson We're currently trying to download Tyler's brain so we can have it run through SM64 ideas 24/7.

[@Kain_R_Heinlein]

+pannenkoek2012 He should be the new you then! :P

[@Thisisforvortex]

pannenkoek makes great videos, but I think you may have misunderstood about just how good Tyler Kehne is.

[@Kain_R_Heinlein]

Thisisforvortex Everyone knows how good he is, he's the grand Greek wizard of SM64!

[@Thisisforvortex]

That video's comments were great.

[@dylanmartinez2461]

Legend has it that Mario is still pushing the door 🚪

[@CeeSZee]

Nice boat ship!!

[@groszak1]

*moat skip

[@CeeSZee]

No, I was correct

[@groszak1]

?

[@suvannaberkahjaya5984]

lol wait wut

[@imamalox]

I once did this when I was high, really easy

[@unoriginaluploader4256]

1:56 *oh hello there*

[@alisiaale565]

Wow! This TAS was *_-great!-_* And the video quality was precious! *_-Good job!-_*

[@TheGael95]

HOLY SHIT ! I think Mario is faster than Sonic now.

[@the1whoplayz]

TheGael95 *Inhales deeply* boi, have you ever seen M-Speed / D-Speed?

[@begos5680]

-5.24 million speed from blj boy

[@reeck771]

Now? He's always been faster

[@scarlas7071]

Could you elaborate on why you need to get 4 PUs away, and not just one? Also, would it be possible to use speeds that are not multiples of 2^18 by not going orthogonal through the PUs (e.g. going diagonal with sqrt(2) times a multiple of 2^18)?

[@TylerKehne]

Scarlas The reason 4 PUs is used as the base unit of sorts is because of quarter-frame movement; Mario actually moves 4 times per frame in equal segments, each 1/4 of the total distance he will move. So a speed of 1 QPU ensures that Mario stays in the same spot each quarter-frame. And you're right, there's no requirement for orthogonal movement. It's definitely easiest to stick to the cardinal directions though, and since we weren't trying to optimize speed here, that's what we did.

[@N999-r5j]

Scarlas what the fuck is this math in my mario

[@TheVideogamemaster9]

I've been waiting for this day to come for so many years!

[@Tony_SMB]

It has been done, finally...

[@bobmario511]

Simply amazing!!!!!

[@DobieMeltfire]

1:17 Did you hear that? That the sound of Mario's molecules being torn apart at the speed of light!

[@domdunc]

Great job to everyone involved!

[@JesusChrist-lv7uo]

i love how you synced the camera with the music lol

[@benjaminparsons8393]

so can this cut time down in tas? and by how much ?

[@TheGlitchGuy957]

This description you've wrote... It's like Super Mario 64 Calculus.

[@firmmilkshake8228]

Man we've come so far since this

[@JoeyBagODonuts18]

The best part is that you can hear a very high pitched mario in the distance if you listen closely

[@TheMonaamohammed]

DID HE JUST PERFORM A OUTSIDE BLJ ON TO THE ROOF!?

[@Merlinistic]

YES

[@cobreti211]

This is the real textures of Super Mario 3D All Stars

[@SuperWeegeeX]

Wtf.....never thought somebody would pull this off lol. We're gonna need a wrong warp for the next bowser skip :P

[@PokeHacked]

SuperWeegeeX i guess that, like in the SM64DS (as I remember) the second bowser can't be skipped, because the key door is a loading point and you can't get into the second floor except of the key door

[@SuperWeegeeX]

Yeah you pretty much cant skip a Bowser level without some sort of wrong warp :/

[@TheGael95]

Sirgebet I've seen a TAS of SM64DS which skip the 2 first Bowsers. I guess that unlike the original SM64, the key doors AREN'T loading points and so you can clip inside walls to get to the 2nd floor warp.

[@MaddyRunner]

how does this work? To answer that, we need to talk about parallel universes!

[@tobee_gamer5816]

0:10 I like how the camera changing is in Sync with the music

[@mkdasher]

awesome stuff man :D

[@santiagoblaumann6557]

mkdasher I

[@a2rhombus2]

Do you know if it would be possible to skip the second fight as well? Would be interesting to see a sort of "ultimate low%"/"1 key" tas

[@sonicpacker]

+A to Rhombus That would be a "0 Key" TAS and there's no [known] potential options due to the games structure, aside from maybe somehow memory corruption, which currently has no way of being done.

[@a2rhombus2]

+sonicpacker Right, I forgot the last bowser didn't give a key. Also that's a shame but it would be neat to find a way

[@chagmenlietons3606]

+A to Rhombus That profile pic attracts me. May I get a link to the original please?

[@a2rhombus2]

Chagmen Lietons It's from a "top ten pony videos of the month" video. Not sure which one

[@chagmenlietons3606]

+A to Rhombus Do you have a copy of the pic available? If not, I can understand.

[@danielr5000-d1s]

This happened 9 years ago? Feeling old now

[@bradleykerr5695]

this is really cool but just like how do you people find this out like hoooooooow long did you spend just BLJ'ing in random places and figuring out what button presses to do when and such it's just crazy like but still, well done!!

[@CNETech]

Bradley Kerr TAS.

[@Why-qv2rb]

Chance Cossitt yeah but TAS doesnt make everything super easy, you still have to try thousands of times. If you ever watch a TAS run, look in the comments and you will see reloads and a number next to it. That's how many times he/she had to load a save state.

[@KittayeForever]

What's next, Barrier Skip? Haha...ha...

[@TylerKehne]

Kittaye Do you mean in WW?

[@CNETech]

Tyler Kehne No, why?

[@Why-qv2rb]

Chance Cossitt I think he is. If so, he's talking about a new glitch that allows people to skip the barrier between hyrule castle and Ganon's tower, skipping the master sword and everything after, including the suuupppeeerrrrr annoying triforce pieces.

[@hevgamer6087]

next one is turning-the-console-on skip

[@nil8659]

@@hevgamer6087 use emulator. Now done.

[@genericusernamething]

I understand the majority of the description from the pastebin. However, the talk of the PUs when it comes to the moat is a little bit confusing. What I'm getting from this is that the PU that Mario is in has no water in the moat. Since there's no water, he can run around on the ground that would normally be covered by water. However, the description says that the door in the PU isn't loaded. So what I assume from the next few sentences in the description is: In order to enter the door from a PU where there is no water and yet no door, Mario has to run into the door. This makes the game aware that there should be a door (and by extension, water) there (at least, in the real universe). After this, the water takes 1 frame longer than the door to load, and in that 1 frame Mario can open and go through the door. He cannot, however, do this by flying in the PU and hitting/landing in front of the door because doing so means he misses his 1 frame of opportunity to enter the door due to taking 3 frames to land, so the only way for Mario to be able to enter the door is by running into it, in a PU. Am I understanding this correctly?

[@JamesAJ]

So, sub-5 is possible! YEAH!!!

[@drakez341]

Little did u know they'd achieve a 4:20

[@oligi3008]

Too bad this is slower. Still useful for Pacifist run, because now you only have to beat 2 Bowsers. ;)

[@IronicHavoc]

oligi3008 Apparently they got WR with it?

[@oligi3008]

The record is without wing cap and 0 stars. Getting wing cap and 10 stars is still slower than the old any% route.

[@eribetra]

See the latest WR and come back.

[@mr.magicman8001]

Eribetra agreed

[@madeformario]

one less bowser throw, -5 minutes of suffering for the ones who are bad at bowser throws :')

[@dandemolition1412]

tas when?

[@ashrafmohamed815]

How do you do that thing near the beginning where you somehow jump all the way to the top of the castle?

[@kirisuna19]

Its BLJs and TASsed!! You get so much momentum and you're able to jump higher go faster all that stuff at least thats how I know SM64 TAS works!!

[@MegaDardery]

sonicpacker Tyler Kehne Speaking of the dust frames from the jump, the dive recover doesn't have dust frames. Even though I tried with multiple vertical speed values, I cannot seem to even "land". whatever my speed is, I seem to be touching the ground, while still in the falling state for one frame, directly afterwards the water activates. Maybe I'm doing something wrong? But then again, the normal VS is limited to -75, and there appears to be no way to decrease it more during the dive recover.

[@small7616]

0:53 when you are going to wario appartion

[@1ted59]

22.4" Slide Time r u srs m8

[@sonicpacker]

1ted59 looool i had got the sub-21 star as #9 and then the box one for #10 and just wanted to skip watching the animation :P

[@syr6041]

How long did this take to pull off?

[@jeaneaguiar890]

HollaGamer ttgygggh

[@DLedwitHSpeedRuns]

what happens if you try to go back through the key door?

[@mickyazulay1386]

DLedwitHSpeedRuns it says the "locked" massege

[@h8GW]

There are also ways to get Mario underwater without triggering the swim phase, but you didn't show us that one, just like you didn't show us this one.

[@CharloBrownOfficial]

Sign: You can't Open Doors Underwater! SPsm64TAS: *Are you sure about that?*

[@kirogocrxzy]

Mario: Hold my physics

[@notacat3044]

in the ds version you can go under the moat and enter the door from the back, so would you be able to BLJ through the castle wall, and enter the door from behind in the n64 version?

[@rosheeki]

nice, but is there a way I can do this without having to be able to press buttons at Mach 3?

[@raydarable]

Will this improve the 0 star TAS?

[@samabizzle]

raydarable It seems unlikely considering you need to unlock the wing cap in order to hyperspeed fly into the vanish cap stage.

[@TylerKehne]

raydarable We're hopeful, still working on fast vcutm entry tho

[@samabizzle]

Tyler Kehne That sounds impossible but then again I thought this was impossible too. Nice work by the way. :)

[@Entotrte]

Samuelfindlay And I quote: "Although the only proven way at this time to enter VCUtM with the moat raised is with hyperspeed flying (which requires 10 stars for the wing cap), we're working on a faster 0-star method that will hopefully make this strat viable for an updated 0 stars TAS. Even without this, we expect sub 5 0 star times due to an impending PU improvement in BitFS!"

[@CeeSZee]

John Yorson that would be insane, if you could somehow get to the wingcap stage with 0 stars

[@MegAmi24]

But is it faster than an average 16 star run?

[@Krithalith]

I read the pastebin. If the door (and its cutscene activation trigger) is not in the PU's, then how do you get out of the PU?

[@FUZxxl]

+Krithalith By running really fast. Basically, each frame Mario runs through four PU's.

[@Duncanman789]

This is one of those things that just scares me

[@LuterofromTx]

Glitches using backwards long jumps like in the stairs? Or mods?

[@adamharris7775]

sonicpacker, can you please make a new KZbin/TAS video “Super Mario 64 - 120 Stars and 1 Key)” (where there’s a moat door skip)?

[@rudigameplay9201]

Why do I think that before the pause buffering it can be RTA?

[@Shireen1337]

this made me happy

[@Lugmillord]

pannenkoek2012, sonicpacker and co. turned SM64 from a game into SCIENCE! It's crazy how much the game can be manipulated. oh, but I still don't get how you return from the PU to the normal area.

[@Wflash00]

How does going to the blue cap switch place cause you to go from the mote all the way into parallel universes like that? I get what you're doing instead parallel universes, but I don't get the initial setup or whatever

[@whYLiE09]

Lol, mario gets out of the water and just automatically flies away XD that was great! Awesome video. Who did this?

[@eyesburning]

Great work! Awesome! I am wondering: After you loaded that area through the moat door. Later on, after you loaded the basement, can you BLJ through the basement key door and it is still loaded?

[@SuperMarioMovieMaker]

Okay, I read the description thing, and if you did mention this and I missed something, I'm sorry in advance. What I wanna know is how do you analyze where Mario is in these PUs? Do you have some sort of overhead map set up with your TAS equipment so you know where he is or what?

[@owenfrazier5209]

SuperMarioMovieMaker They can see Mario's actual position by watching memory.

[@madghostek3026]

I still don't know how you navigated mario (1.In invisible universe 2.With camera stopped in normal universe) to moat door,was it just pure luck? Or is it possible to know where you land after BLJ's

[@MegAmi24]

This is a TAS, you can make it as perfect as you want.

[@DrStabkill]

so what speedrun category will this apply to?

[@gaster_]

1 key run when

[@smproductions8989]

Uh so.... how am I supposed to pull this off?

[@Smoomy]

I watched the video before reading the description and I totally thought this was a joke at first haha.

[@majora12_15]

So, I have a question. We know we can clip through that second key door, and to load the map after that we have to open it. As such, my question is, would there be any possible way to open the door without the key while BLJing? Or even a way to trick the game into thinking you have that key when you don't?

[@theletsplaycurse]

So all we have to do is find a way to get to the vanish cap level without the wing cap and 0 stars is possible Challenge excepted

[@jamsstats1700]

The fact that draining the moat is only for one star

[@ytdavasquez]

What was the point of 0:00 - 1:23 if you were going to end up in the moat anyway?

[@zahrannahyan9666]

for da speed

[@growaplant]

Did he just overflow jump in front of our eyes???

[@coalanims3083]

Just to make sure i have this straight. While in the PU, you walk into where the door would normally be, and that triggers mario to walk through it in the main area? I'm still confused on this.

[@RypticVODS]

So why was this not used in Snark's run?

[@owlflame]

Does this actually save any time, though?

[@goksu323]

"Hes too dangerous to be left alive!"

[@CorentinLebigre]

Are you shitting me ? I have no words except WELL DONE ABC CREW

[@ReyHunter]

0:11 camera sound create music }:)

[@hyolyns2357]

I don't understand what happens at 1:45

[@papijerev4217]

{TAS} Chese05 Speedrunning

[@GoldenKingStudio]

Now all that needs to be done is to find a way to pull this off 0-Stars, No Caps. Anything else would be a regression, in my opinion.

[@sonicpacker]

+GoldenKingStudio keep an eye out in the coming weeks/months for the new any% TAS

[@GoldenKingStudio]

***** Someone else suggested that in the comments at some point. It is a very funny idea.

[@jongyon7192p]

How insane do you think 120 stars TAS would be now? How many stars are faster with PUs?

[@Thisisforvortex]

+sonicpacker Is this still going to happen? I got pretty excited reading this, though It seems it ain't out yet.

[@JetFuelSE]

It's out now :D

[@kaisshenanigans]

Bowser: gets beaten in 4 minutes This: gets done in 6 minutes It’s best beating bowser, getting to the basement isn’t THAT far.

[@Thissidedown11]

I wonder what happens if you try to open the basement key door from the other side while its still locked

[@XezeMaster]

+Thissidedown11 it displays the same 'locked" message.

[@Thissidedown11]

yeah, figures. thanks

[@TylerKehne]

+Thissidedown11 It opens normally. However it will be still be locked on the other side.

[@Thissidedown11]

Oh. interesting. Thanks for letting me know

[@goldenarrow5196]

*ninendo 64 implodes

[@minifusemax]

0:39 how you made it

[@samabizzle]

Incredible. So does this mean 10 star run will become a thing now?

[@WestOfLee100]

why not go all the way and BLJ INTO THE 3RD BOWSER FIGHT? just thought

[@ayoubkherouf652]

its not loaded, you need the key

[@Zyper_Sebxr]

is this faster for the 120 star run ?-_-?

[@ReedShort]

DID YOU BREAK MARIO AGAIN TIMMY???

[@minifusemax]

how to make TAS I have plagiarism TAS Mupen64 0.5 joystick Nintendo64 understood it can be done