So how much easier are Minecraft Speedruns IF you cheat?

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

"Dream Luck" will be an official term used to explain good RNG now

[@goosevillenews7932]

First

[@QuickDucks]

It’s you

[@nibyafternight1983]

More like to explain good "RNG"

[@rayalvarado299]

Or cheating

[@dimitri7615]

We meet again

[@CarthusDojo]

This is truly peak content. Showing how much the mods helped is way more interesting than an over discussed drama. Keep killing it king!

[@JohnMkrv]

Hello verified person

[@itsphoenixtime]

Hi carthu? That was unexpected

[@lipez1233]

Hey I know you

[@valuehunter5544]

idk the drama was pretty entertaining as well, esp. seeing the mental gymnastics dream stans pulled

[@CarthusDojo]

@@valuehunter5544 I agree which is why i said “over discussed” at this point it’d be ad nauseam with little left to be entertained by

[@Glory2Snowstar]

0:45 the subtle assertion of dominance here with the “I only got 7 seconds short of somebody who unfairly manipulated RNG for a massive advantage” context is glorious.

[@MrGeorgeFlorcus]

Reminds me of the time he and PointCrow raced in BOTW and PointCrow (jokingly) asserted he was only letting Ant take the first game to give him a head start, to which Ant replied by saying "I guess that's fair, you do have 1000 hours more in this game than me." While he's winning lol

[@clydeciente5571]

Yea bruh thats why Im a fan

[@Coins31415]

Dream got a 19:25 with the mod. Ant got a 19:32 without the mod, and a 13:31 with the mod. All I see is that Ant is a faster speedrunner.

[@Jorge-hf1fb]

This is why ant is the best speedrunner

[@kikiretzorg1467]

You know what? Imma go ahead and say it. I think Ant could beat Dream in a manhunt.

[@skyblue7740]

It's so amazing that the mod community was able to actually find this relatively small discrepancy (which makes a lot of difference) using probability and statistics. It's a shame they had to go through all the shit they went through for doing their job properly.

[@wildwest8069]

Because of stupid people who groupthink and can't imagine that their precious little personality could possibly cheat. :)

[@DizzyHotSauce]

It's annoying that Dream stans blindly defended him regardless of Dream said. The MC Speedrunning mod team were out there doing actual research and difficult math solving into the whole situation, and then there were people who blindly disregarded the research and stood by their first opinion. But sadly, this is the internet and that's how 90% of opinions are formed. Even when Dream posted his video with his own failed math and probilities, chances were still against him at 1 in a million. It's surprising how many people thought that the run still being legitimate was plausible.

[@thememelord6510]

Dream was using old strats that only used one piglin instead of a whole bastion’s worth so the increased chances were harder to spot

[@cx.240]

Didn’t his defense get debunked by PhD proven Redditors the same day he released it to the internet

[@Nixahma]

@@cx.240 reading “PhD proven Redditors” gave me a mf stroke

[@quiet_tech8209]

5%->15% doesnt seem like much until you think of it as literally triple the amount of pearls lmao

[@Patashu]

yeah I misremembered it as just being 1.5x more pearls but no, it's about as insane as it can get lmao

[@louisvaught2495]

It's more complicated than that, actually. Because each hit gives 2-4 pearls, more hits mean you're more likely to get the average drop (3) So it's not just that you get 3x the number of pearls, it also means you're much less likely to get not enough pearls.

[@mysticflow467]

@@louisvaught2495 no stupid

[@ДмитроПрищепа-д3я]

It's a bit more complicated indeed. Let's say you performed 10 trades on 5% chance. Your chances of getting pearls in 5 out of 10 would be 252*0.05^5*0.95^5 ~= 0.00006 or 0.006 percent. Now let's say you have 15% chance, then getting pearls 5 times out of 10 will have a probability of 252*0.15^5*0.85^5 ~= 0.0085 or 0.85%, which is about 139 times bigger. Probabilities are funny sometimes.

[@csar07.]

@@ДмитроПрищепа-д3я What are all these magic symbols youre using magic man?

[@crt137]

"Because we have good luck" has never been such a viable strat before

[@ceegeetee]

Let’s see how many subs I can get from this comment Current Subs 9490

[@zitronenwasser]

@@ceegeetee if being reported counts a sub, 1

[@turrrvvy8116]

I mean it has been once.

[@zarnox3071]

Was it ever a viable strat? Last time it ended with disqualification of runs…

[@legodarthvader8367]

@@ceegeetee if being a asshole-levels counts to ur list, u have ♾ on ur list

[@iVoltGaming]

Lmao love the "Dream luck" on the thumbnail

[@burnerfrenzy3392]

Wow check mark

[@nightmarecrimson9121]

Heya IVolt

[@zicraftian]

@@burnerfrenzy3392 your comment is so overused you are worse than these checkmarks

[@burnerfrenzy3392]

@@zicraftian what’s wrong with these check marks again

[@burnerfrenzy3392]

@@zicraftian somebody had a bad day

[@michaeldromes3948]

Weird how it took Dream half a year for him to realize he "accidentally" was using the very same mod cheats that people accused him of using. Sure wish he didn't delete the folder "in frustration" so we could've just verify shit instantly.

[@fewbronzegames]

sometimes it just takes a 3 am bath to come up with a shit story like that ig

[@dylanclbr5292]

Now make an "Ant Luck" mod that makes Flint drops from gravel even lower.

[@khorneflakes4446]

We need Sinvicta luck too.

[@marcimarc203]

That's actually so fcking funny xd

[@fruit3193]

You mean Silk Touch? I think there’s a mod that makes your fists have Silk Touch lol

[@minzekatze]

@@khorneflakes4446 so you mean we need a 73% blaze rod drop chance and still get nothing?

[@GuffGuffGuffy]

There are already datapacks for that, it's used in tournaments

[@Patterrz]

When you invest all your skill points into Luck at birth

[@andretotallyhuman2715]

Indeed

[@_josxii]

Oh wow hi there

[@stupidish9562]

You're here didn't expect you

[@duckkeebs]

Kazuma lol

[@aanasibnabdullah5612]

Find ya

[@foxfistmicfox8682]

Man I feel bad for Dream. I accidentally cheated on my wife, we're both victims of circumstance.

[@KittyKatty999]

Does Dream have a wife? Would be a shame if he accidentally installed a mod that made him accidentally cheat on his wife.

[@pokos9454]

Ikr I accidentally ran over a kid and they are charging me with something called “manslaughter.” It was a complete accident.

[@tomrawlins8214]

@@pokos9454 i know right i accidentally shot six people on six deprecate occasions by accident and then denied it for ages, why are people so mad at me?

[@andrewtaila4807]

What if she has a twin sister and you couldn't tell the difference?

[@stuff2959]

I feel you I accidentally just cheated on my wife with her bf

[@bruh-uq2zx]

The stan went from lecturing on why he’s not cheating to “chill bro it’s just a game”

[@laughisfun2003]

Don’t Google “Mr. Hands”, big guy.

[@zmatt25]

@@laughisfun2003 what?

[@zmatt25]

so true

[@laughisfun2003]

@@zmatt25 don’t.

[@kebabseverim3364]

Don't Google "coldest place in the universe" and don't check second image

[@LiterallyRain]

"That's 8th in the world. There's 8 people with a better time than that" If you pass the person in 2nd place, what place are you in now lol

[@Smallant]

Shhhhhh

[@jeanpaulgartier3404]

Hahaha nice catch

[@DevilJhoMama]

obviously 0th is a score

[@cact_i]

3RD

[@sasquatch.8]

Lol

[@MilkIsASauceTV]

It’s hard to say he did it on accident when he spent money trying to prove cheats weren’t used, denying they where used, and after mounds of evidence came out saying he cheated. Not to mention his complete lack of an apology about his stans harassing speedrun mods is infuriating

[@lordspud6463]

I know this is ages later, but the stans ain't his responsibility, they are not his kids

[@MilkIsASauceTV]

@@lordspud6463 considering he fosters and encourages the type of community that would go out and send death threats for people proving that their favorite character cheated, I do think it’s something he should have apologized for, especially because the rhetoric he used at the time encouraged that behavior as well

[@lordspud6463]

@@MilkIsASauceTV sorry, didn't know that he encouraged that

[@DanteTorn]

@@lordspud6463 Dream is a piece of shit for more reasons than just his speedrunning cheating. I don't know the full extent of it, but my friends who do won't tell me because they know it'll bother me with the negativity. At this point, "hugely popular content creator" is synonymous with "disgusting human being," considering how often big content creators turn out to be doing shit like grooming minors.

[@turbojurpo]

Yeah I remember when this was first happening some of the dream stans claimed that "people where harassing dream for making a simple mistake" instead of the fact that people where mad at him because he was a childish asshole

[@goblez5900]

I sympathize with dream, because just like he accidentally forgot he had cheats enabled, I accidentally forgot to pay my taxes.

[@seabirdflutter]

same! I accidentally took my boss's computer and emailed nsfw content to his boss with the caption "suck a fat one lol" and they're all mad at me! I just forgot it wasn't my computer, and the file name was super similar to the quarterly report that was due, and my cat accidentally walked across the keyboard... I just can't win and now I'm going to prison because I accidentally embezzled only a bit of money! that was all six months ago, it's in the past! geez!

[@sentient5]

Damn that’s true, I accidentally committed genocide in 28 different countries and accidentally evaded law enforcement for 50 years. Crazy how that stuff just happens.

[@BMN_Prime]

I accidentally ate the last slice of pizza

[@watt2122]

@@BMN_Prime how dare you good sir?

[@miserablepileofsecrets]

Yeah I accidentally rolled at 200 MPH in a 90 zone. WASNT MY FAULT

[@aced6034]

They should make this a speedrun category called dream% just to screw with him

[@thefatratman3977]

Copied

[@immaturesanta]

@JACOB H Copied

[@Wesley-ki8lk]

@JACOB H copied

[@sleepyskizzerz4690]

@JACOB H copied

[@galacticfire5189]

I mean dream probably wouldn't be upset because honestly it would just be kinda funny

[@his_purpose3]

“Ah sorry teacher, I didnt mean to write the test answers on my arm, honest.” Pretty much the vibe I got from Dream’s tweet.

[@Poseidon-oz9pg]

That's why he was in the bath, to wash it off.

[@VanessaMagick]

It's more like "I'm sorry that you have such a problem with me accidentally writing test answers on my arm, but you're being really unreasonable by questioning me about it."

[@stormbornapostle5188]

Also, the apology is made half a year after being caught.

[@spillymcspillmore3426]

A kid literally did this in one of my classes. Left a textbook open in his lap during a test and claimed that "he forgot it was there" when the teacher noticed.

[@daviddoesstuffandthingigue966]

@@spillymcspillmore3426 tell us more

[@TheFuryWraith]

Karl Jobst said it best, imo: ''A speedrunner wouldn't cheat to get a faster time, they'd cheat to get a time faster.''

[@theo_comics814]

What does that mean?

[@KhaleoNinja]

@@theo_comics814 means that he has to make less tries to get "lucky" in a speedrun, taking off the days/weeks/months of grinding for a lucky run.

[@banezjr5988]

I read that and thought it was mr beast karl, worst part is i watch Karl Jobst :(

[@arciks11]

@@theo_comics814 To get best of best run requires tens of thousand hours of grind no matter the game. By modifying odds you can get that time by only investing a fraction of that time.

[@lainling]

@@theo_comics814 There's an argument that crops up in the context of defending cheating accusations that goes something like, "Why would (this person) cheat, they're so good at the game! Why would they risk so much?" But we see time and time again that the motivation often comes from the player getting frustrated by RNG or other mechanics, and because they have the technical skill to perform all the tricks and such, they start feeling that they "deserve" the time they're going for, and they cheat to shorten the grind and get the time they "deserve".

[@ADudeNamedLucky]

Even though the “Dream Luck” mod does do a lot to increase your time, this seed on its own was absolutely crazy. But the mod definitely shaved a few minutes off, which in such a short speedrun is insane.

[@xelac1334]

It kind of saddened me while watching that, if he had gotten that seed without the mod installed, he might have gotten a new legit PB.

[@geezy_7733]

@@xelac1334 i know right

[@icycloud6823]

Bad luck on the enderpearls or blazerods could've killed it (Or at least slowed it down enough to negate the saved time), though it does look like a REALLY good seed in terms of everything's locations.

[@eragon78]

@@icycloud6823 The mod only increases the drop rate from 5% to 15%, so a 3x increase. He said he had over 70 after the trades. Even with less than 1/3rd of those, he would still have gotten over 20 which is way more than you need. You only need about 15 ish on average. Honestly, his run would have only been about a min or two shorter withe the mod turned off, probably around 15 min or so, as the only Mod related RNG he got that REALLY mattered was the Blazerod RNG, as he almost definitely would have gotten enough pearls from the piglins without the mod with this seed. Definitely would have still been a very strong PB.

[@LB3Scouting]

@@eragon78 that’s not how statistics works lol

[@DaijDjan]

Sad thing is: I personally think it is possible to forget a mod in the folder while recording - but not after people start pointing out the weird drop rates to him. All the people that continuesly argue for this basically call Dream a goldfish-brained idiot while trying to defend his obvious lies. (Which is kind of sad and funny at the same time, not gonna lie) If this really would have been an accident, he'd have noticed once the accusations started and would have instantly apologized.

[@HappyGingerWolf]

Instead he attacked everyone else before looking at himself, just like cheaters always do

[@KyndaKold]

He also deleted the mod folder after the speedrun moderators told him to send it to them.

[@aqox624]

@@HappyGingerWolf he apologized and said that what he said to the mods was a dumb thing to do.

[@bioticsla]

you're overestimating him, do you really expect someone to remember a folder he had already forgotten about by time he did the speedruns, them getting watched and the controversy building up by the mere mention of the odds? people have plenty of shit on their minds at any given time, a reference to something isnt necessarily gonna evoke the memory of it suddenly, at least from experience that has not been the case

[@ytrewqmcnoggin4480]

@@aqox624 he never said sorry for the mod team receiving death threats and getting doxxed, and he even made a video defending the toxic stans

[@perrybb2]

Did this guy literally beat Dream's record with his own cheats in 2 hours? Holy crap that's humiliating!

[@Oscar31YT]

Fun fact: dream never had a 1.16 record

[@PopeMical]

@@Oscar31YT The version Dream was running 1.16 so what do you mean by "never had a 1.16 record"

[@Oscar31YT]

@@PopeMical yeah. He never set a record in any version other than 1.14, and even his 1.14 run was taken down cause they found a splice. Dream never had a world record

[@fullshark09]

@@Oscar31YT wait, so he's cheated more times in the past??

[@Oscar31YT]

@@fullshark09 ok. So. The most known about thing was when he modified his 1.16 droprates, but a couple days ago someone found a splice in his 1.15 run, which usually indicates either savestates or scouting the seed before playing it, both of which are not allowed.

[@gaminggeckos4388]

Y'know, I might have actually believed that he ACCIDENTALLY did this. That is, if it weren't for the fact that he also ACCIDENTALLY deleted the incriminating evidence.

[@caviicape]

exactly bro. if it was an accident why did he deny it and call the mods biased for months

[@TheWaffleMaster1]

@@caviicape bc dream is a clown

[@Robopup325]

@@caviicape I remember he said the mods were grasping at strings but to not go after them. Obv with such a large following some will gloss over that but that's when you tell them again to stop harassing the mods. You don't say "Oh no please don't do that" to millions and expecting every single one of them to accept that and when they don't you allow them to keep doing it without telling them off.

[@caviicape]

@@Robopup325 there’s this one youtuber i used to watch who would find a random kid on instagram or youtube and just make fun of them for like an hour. they got so much harassment after that some had to get off social media completely. saying “don’t harass this person” afterwards doesn’t help lmao

[@Robopup325]

@@caviicape But it could convince some of the harassers to stop

[@infernonugget1299]

He did a debunking video about the expose videos against him, and then deleted it because he got exposed, he didn’t do this speedrun on accident.

[@scoutsleftnut13]

Was it the one where he brought in a "professional" with a PhD to convince people he wasn't cheating?

[@rosl.]

@@scoutsleftnut13 a s t r o p h y c i s i s t

[@foxinabox5103]

@JACOB H anonymous astrophysicist from harvard

[@ofresco2]

yeah but if smallant said that dream intentionally cheated the stans would just harrass him

[@bro748]

Dream said he deleted the video when he realized that he had cheated, after talking to the modder.

[@SuperWiiBros08]

this dude is very lucky

[@zenith2299]

Indeed he is just lucky. Winning the loterry 30 billion times in a row is just lucky bro, Idk what ur on.

[@grennsw]

i wonder how he does it, this man is an enigma

[@MarcTelang]

But he said he cheated

[@MarcTelang]

It's 5% normally and this boosts it to 15% that's 3x as many

[@rbxq]

@@zenith2299 woosh

[@Chris.Batchelor]

I still find it so funny that he’s trying to say “I didn’t know mods were on” after he so desperately tried to prove his runs as true. I can’t believe people are falling for that

[@billy6678]

this guy clearly hasnt seen the stream lmfao

[@joelmarriner487]

@@billy6678 what do you mean?

[@sekairedblue]

That's what a fanbase full of childrens does to you, he's gonna get away with it.

[@mrbenizzle4087]

Someone said (so i don’t know personally) that he had to submit his entire mods/general files from the time that it happened and that the mod team would have found it if he hadn’t removed it before hand meaning it ain’t even an accident lmao

[@billy6678]

@@joelmarriner487 he basically talked about how the mod was disguised as a chat mod. I’m disappointed in him no doubt and think he should have some repercussion but shitting on someone for dumb arbitrary reasons are a no go no matter who Edit: I’m starting to learn the defiance people have to understand mods and plugins don’t apply the same…

[@genericcanadian2048]

“Accidentally” has on a plug-in that helps him with the most difficult aspects of RNG for a speedrun

[@idkneo]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z4a5kHprrdd4e6M

[@galacticfire5189]

mod u mean

[@-mako-6018]

i love how that's the best fucking excuse he could come up with "yeah idk the mods downloaded themselves and then activated and setup by themselve aswell, it was pretty weird"

[@typeouetco1626]

@@-mako-6018 I mean they didn't download themselves, but basically the one who takes care of his mod modified it last minute without dream authorization, yes, the original mod was basically useless

[@-mako-6018]

@@typeouetco1626 did he say that in some kind of interview or you're assuming?

[@RobGradyVO]

"Ah so this is why people cheat" - Everyone who trys the Dream Luck Mod lmfao

[@idkneo]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z4a5kHprrdd4e6M

[@tomatop6754]

@@whaledog7036 they removed showing dislikes on videos now ._.

[@weRgeek]

My favorite part of this is how Ant is so casual about the way that he destroys Dream’s time.

[@NovaMenno]

"Accidentally" cheating, yeah in his original lengthy document he talked about his mod folder for quite a bit, but recently his story has been that he forgot to check it. Little bit suspicious to me

[@sherlocktreecko873]

Dream is sus

[@rugbytimezone5480]

The amount of times he lies is insane

[@danielarputharaj9918]

Me and my fellow russian boys accidentally taking steroids for the Olympics, whoops

[@Isaax]

@@danielarputharaj9918 Haha, happens to the best of us comrade

[@Gohrr]

Obvious cheating > respect

[@marcusferro7588]

Short answer: yes, it does make it easier Long answer: yes, it does make it easier, but with proof and visual gameplay :)

[@generallyunimportant]

,

[@ciarangale4738]

to be fair, this is using strats that are vastly superior to the ones dream was using

[@EasterDude]

@@ciarangale4738 yes but the comparison was made between Ant’s prior runs and the new time he achieved with the cheats. He didn’t compare dreams time at all with his new time.

[@Tree_-wp5zn]

@@EasterDude 19.25 at 1:04

[@ciarangale4738]

@cat snake pretty sure you meant eye breakage, but what im trying to say is this all could have happened in any good run. a good run is going to have no meaningful eye breakages, its going to have good rod drops, its gonna have fast pearl drops. the mod simply made these good runs happen more. also, the difference in strats. the advantage it gives is night and day with old strats and new. with old strats, it meant having a higher chance of getting the pearls you need in a timely manner. when used with new strats, it means you get stacks upon stacks of pearls.

[@despacito6950]

damn, tanner has grown so much ever since he got rid of the number at the end of his username

[@aburriiiiiiiiiiido]

he still has it on this video lookkl at the Minecraft log.

[@kittencorp.3295]

What? Everyone knows that he just wanted his username to be ‘1’ but he added ‘smallant’ because that was already taken

[@zarnox3071]

He is no longer number one.

[@PencilNova]

@@kittencorp.3295 yeah, how can people not know it?

[@jogos4ever801]

He is gaining more subs because people stopped being busy looking for smallant2

[@chexo3]

What I want to know is how you “accidentally” change the odds of four separate things that each contribute to good runs to favor yourself, but not quite enough to be suspicious right away.

[@swxrdzy]

it was sus right away, that's why he got accused in the first place, then he hid the truth by paying a professional mathematician to spread misinformation and then he threatened dream with the truth, so dream was backed into a corner and forced to tell the truth, then he lied more and begged for sympathy

[@Cowtymsmiesznego]

​@@swxrdzyThat guy was very far from a professional mathematician...

[@spacebassist]

​@@Cowtymsmiesznegohe was an astrophysicist lmfao. Not even a statistician

[@truthboom]

@@swxrdzy i heard even the professional document agree even dream cheated

[@മദ്യപാനം]

Didn't he get bill nye the science guy or something

[@biospark4758]

Dream: “I felt like my luck was average.” Smallant: “It’s like a completely different experience.” Yeah, Dream is full of BS

[@pipeman9146]

I agree but let's try to keep the drama out of this :)

[@stuff2959]

Dream poopy

[@NaudVanDalen]

Dream downloaded the mod because getting ender pearls and blaze rods was too slow for his videos, so there's no way that he didn't notice the speed difference.

[@itzluckygmd]

@@NaudVanDalen he actually asked someone to code it for him

[@ivanvenne]

@@NaudVanDalen Exactly

[@nicknack5388]

He's not cheating, he's just has a really good gaming chair.

[@lennoxsommerville7451]

@@laplacedex7878found the dream stan who’s crying^^^

[@positroniic]

@@laplacedex7878 dream stan lol

[@ikanikan4947]

its clara work, dank it clara

[@noirbe238]

@@laplacedex7878 jeez louise the fanboy is strong in this one

[@ahuman2544]

I wonder what Laplace dex said now that he deleted his reply

[@ShakedownDreams]

The way dream says he "Accidentally" cheated for months enrages me Just say you cheated and get it over with stop trying to make it sound better

[@ic236]

and he knew for "a couple months" before posting the pastebin!

[@ShakedownDreams]

@@ic236 yeah! Like stop stroking your ego Dream

[@zexal8505]

the mans got his stans on his side and they'll believe literally anything

[@chada4806]

Honestly, as someone who also has adhd, it's totally believable that he'd forget to uninstall a plugin or something. I'm not trying to say it's okay, just that it's easy to believe it as accidental.

[@UnCavi]

@@chada4806 I agree that on its own it is totally believable, but then you have to consider that AFTER you have been exposed, how is it possible that it isn't the first thought that comes to your mind the fact that maybe you used your cheating mod you know you have used in other videos, that happens to do exactly what you are being accused of, by mistake? Instead you deny everything, delete your mods folder "by frustration", go hire a mathematician to write a math paper defending you, keep saying for months that it was just luck, and then you remember about your cheating mod 1 year later?

[@peculiarcomics2255]

Dream luck % should be an official category

[@tabooo3746]

it should tbh

[@ItsStqr]

pogloot%

[@peepeepoopoo2391]

It's just a normal Speedrun with commands

[@cocoearmuffs6207]

@@ItsStqr thats different tho bc it doesnt just get rid of luck but just straight up gives better/impossible items to get. Also ur literally using an elytra.

[@sirvyving5047]

@@cocoearmuffs6207 the elytra is a part of a seperate category called icarus.

[@rrawrshack9038]

That FireRed Pacifist run just taught this man that he had it in him to stream, edit and upload content by himself in one day. He's grown too powerful.

[@pango9519]

As someone who has edited streams for other people, a majority of the time is sifting through the stream to find the more engaging/interesting parts and try to string together a video with them so I imagine it's actually kinda 5head to edit while the events of the stream are fresh in your mind and you know the story you want to tell.

[@nathanandrews8048]

Stans: "Dream is the best minecraft player" *Gets beaten by a non minecraft speedrunner*

[@zachvermug610]

His speedrunning skills is better the dream

[@Walrus5]

aeaseaeeaaee

[@arhyllinchroma9062]

@@zachvermug610 dream himself said there are better speed runners than him

[@WaywardVector]

@@arhyllinchroma9062 this man plays Pokémon and is still better at dreams main game than dream.

[@poisonedmaple6874]

@@WaywardVector Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Ant's main game was odyssey

[@henryy.4878]

“Admitted to accidentally cheating”, after defending and arguing for months that his speed runs were legit. This guy is just too much, he’s too funny! 😂

[@btugvd]

Pretty sure it was only the 1 run and like he said accidentally so he probably didnt even realise they were changed

[@Sayan_9001]

yeah, he "accidentally" downloaded a mod to increase his odds for about everything important

[@deekoei]

@Theunwantedwings could u source this about 1.15 drop rates? afaik the removal of his run was around splicing in his wr and not that but I'd like to see

[@zakattk001]

Yeah Small Ant went way too easy on dream lol

[@chloemarlowe3817]

@@btugvd if he only "accidentally" cheated on the one run, he would have never gotten caught. He only got caught because he kept the mod active during livestreams and math nerds ran the numbers. If he cheated the one run, the "dream was lucky" claim would have worked but Dream would have us believe he averaged one item 3x the drop rate, and one 1.5x the drop rate across 50+ virtually consecutive runs.

[@statelyelms]

inb4 dream says he "accidentally" handpicked the seeds too but really, you got to nine minutes in two hours and dream hadn't even broken 15 in however long he was using cheats? yeesh

[@kingofgrim4761]

The cheats were over a short period of time, but still it’s an even bigger L for dream now

[@kingofgrim4761]

@@thevirtualpug3d868 very true but ofc the luck caused a few mins timesave itself

[@eddiemate]

Let’s not forget that Ant has newer strategies than Dream did at the time. The big one being using bastions, since it means Ant can complete a LOT more trades than Dream could’ve back then. Using the mod with modern strats makes the cheating very obvious, because a lot more trades happen.

[@plutonicattic7995]

@@eddiemate uhm dream did use bastions? they speedrun on the same version of the game

[@yagorg1492]

Dream stans threaten to death everyone who questions their idol but after he admitted it they claim that he's so brave and that it's just a block game to anyone who mentions it

[@dreamydailine]

LMFAO- Like a person once said to me, "Fear not the person who wields the fandom, fear the part of the fandom that barely has enough braincells to be sensible." It's a really good quote

[@hughflapjacks]

It is a bit weird. I get that it is rare for people to admit mistakes on the internet, but this guy denied everything for a year and made the situation worse than it had to be

[@ruxis2563]

I've seen a couple stans who are legitimately in denial. Linked the pastebin to one of 'em (clearly didn't read it) and the reply was "lmao he didn't cheat idiot". These people are crazy.

[@LastStraightFlyinCataclysm]

@@dreamydailine where quote

[@nibyafternight1983]

"I'm writing this in my bath at 4am on my phone" - Dream

[@analienwithwifi4783]

Man that must be a safety hazard

[@nutsandbolts1264]

The only part that was worth reading 😂

[@rosalina-dev]

@@analienwithwifi4783 Even if I'm pretty sure you're joking, it's not that much of a safety hazard as long as the phone isn't plugged in to charge (and even then there are multiple things that should save you, GFCI, a properly designed charger, etc)

[@kikiretzorg1467]

@@rosalina-dev I mean, you're probably right, but dropping your phone is still a lot of dead presidents down the drain.

[@geo-bio5343]

@@rosalina-dev It’s a safety hazard for the phone though.

[@cold-bloodedbeats4139]

Gotta love how most people are talking about the drama itself while you're just trying to see how busted the mod was

[@JNSC_18]

Lol yeah

[@turmspitzewerk]

i mean he's still doing this to make a point about the drama, he's just not actively gonna waste time arguing a bunch

[@inactive-r5w]

Lol true lol

[@lowkey_Ioki]

@@turmspitzewerk He isn't making any point. "the mod makes it way easier" isn't an opinion, it's the reason there's drama in the first place.

[@thwninjascopez]

Hey man, it looks like you retracted your replies to me, I assume because maybe you saw the pastebin thing. No hard feelings, but in case you didn’t see it - it’s still up and you can view it. He didn’t include any drop rates in it. I just assume that this isn’t the same mod, but instead a similar mod just because the drop rates seem even more exaggerated than Dream’s speed run in question. Although he obviously cheated and had much better luck than he should have, I don’t remember it being THIS good. Like, I don’t remember dream ever having a ridiculous amount of pearls or eyes like that. This dude filled up his inventory with them in a couple mins, which I don’t remember happening in Dream’s speed run. Either way, entertaining video for sure.

[@caviicape]

fr tho, cheating in speedruns with such a massive platform is insulting to all the runners who play legitimately. even if it was an accident (which happened to put him on the leaderboards and get huge... hm), he should have taken full accountability. any apology that says “accidentally” to make it seem better isn’t a genuine apology

[@DIVAD291]

"any apology that says “accidentally” to make it seem better isn’t a genuine apology" It's obviously possible to do something on accident so it's irrational to act like doing something on accident is the same as doing it on purpose which is what you are implying when you say he shouldn't bring up that it was an accident in an apology. Dream is a dipshit but if he had genuinely done this by accident and when someone pointed out that it was basically impossible responsed with something along the lines of "oh yeah I was cheating by accident, let me remove my run" or whatever, it would have been fine. His reaction to being called out made it clear that he cheated on purpose but even if it actually was an accident somehow his reaction is what makes him a douchebag not the accidental cheating.

[@TimeBucks]

tanner has grown so much

[@PeterParker-vi2nl]

@Logan Smith seems sus

[@mbear2768]

Verification poggers

[@melo0611]

ah yes, brands looking for clout

[@mikeybud3501]

Especially since he's had a birthday in almost every one of his streams

[@pyro_5]

@@melo0611 Why the hell do you think all youtubers that comment look for clout, sure, some do but not all

[@moomoomango4178]

If dream “accidentally cheated” than I “accidentally have 6 kids in my basement”

[@shafin3520]

in that case i accidentally killed 6 kids in my basement

[@Bapringles]

Bush accidentally did 9/11

[@tlkfanrwbyfan8716]

I accidentally burnt down an orphanage.

[@BasicallySai]

But I accidentally burnt down the entire andromeda galaxy

[@Falleris]

@@tlkfanrwbyfan8716 Good thing the kids are save in MooMooMango's basement

[@comiccat4650]

Yeah, "accidentally" sure. "No officer, I was drunk driving by accident, I didn't mean to drink"

[@UndefinedFantasticCat]

Assuming that at the time Dream's main theme was "MC with a twist" it makes sense that he might have forgot to remove that mod. However I agree that this isn't an excuse to the fact that he cheated. Like, if you are speedrunning a game where certain rules apply, then it's your duty to check that you don't break any.

[@kevanbeckstead6036]

He had the mod on for his manhunts and thought it was server side instead of client side

[@madskillzy2k]

"unknowingly" cheated by "accident" thats why he refused to share he's logs when they asked for it at the start of all this xD

[@MiguelAngel-go4ck]

"Sir you drove over a playground and squashed 6 children" "Yes but it was an accident, i didnt mean to drive"

[@343Films]

@@kevanbeckstead6036 Yes. But that leaves out the *literal months* he spent arguing that he didn't cheat and hiring some astrophysicist clown to write up a 30 page paper on why it's possible he didn't cheat.

[@definitelynotnoah3520]

Speedrunners finish Minecraft: in 30 minutes or less Me: Finds the Nether fortress 3 years later. I AM SPEED

[@steven.d6492]

I could use some Dream “luck” on my Physics exam next week...

[@angeldude101]

Unfortunately, physics exams contain 0 randomness outside of the exact numbers used in the questions, so having this kind of luck probably won't help much.

[@AlejandroPerez-gb7rr]

@@angeldude101 ª

[@vizzzyy190]

Good luck on your exam!! I hope you pass

[@ravioli3807]

@@angeldude101 You may be able to find a copy of the answer sheet if you’re lucky enough

[@ForestGreenSharpie]

yeah photomath really helped with my "luck" on my math final

[@ActualCatfish]

Ah yes, I too spend multiple months claiming to have zero mods affecting my luck, just to turn around and say I 'accidently cheated.'

[@ryanhernandez1877]

And I then proceed to write a ten-page long apology letter in the bath

[@captainswagger2838]

Aren't his 1.15 runs being looked at now?

[@soweey2428]

@@captainswagger2838 Was removed earlier that day before he wrote the apology.

[@MarkusAldawn]

Its the lashing out at people who are doing their jobs for me.

[@Name-qk5qr]

@@ryanhernandez1877 writing a 10 page essay in my bathtub at 4 am challenge

[@fruit3193]

Let’s be real, there’s no way Dream didn’t notice the different in drop rates (using Smant’s reaction to the difference for comparison). And I also think that Dream must have known that he had a mod active at the time.

[@PopeMical]

Had he just said it was an accident from the start, I could of believed his story. I cant anymore after all that's happened since he was called out.

[@alien3698]

edit: funny how I'm getting more hate for expressing the same opinion that karl jobst expressed in his newest video. Smants reaction is not the best way to compare, as smants fully knows he had increased rates and was doing this for a video. I also believe dream and smants did different strats. Dream never used a bastion, instead he mined gold in the nether. This means instead of getting pearls all at once, it would take while to mine gold then trade and then mine more gold.

[@schwarz8614]

@@alien3698 believing every word Dream says is not an argument.

[@alien3698]

@@schwarz8614 Not providing any reasoning is not an argument. IDK what your even trying here, please feel free to respond with actual defensible claims rather than just unbacked "claims".

[@yuhhh951]

@@PopeMical right he wouldve been much more respected and all the drama wouldn't have happened.

[@NaudVanDalen]

SmallAnt got 13.5 minutes in 2.5 hours of trying with the cheat while Dream got 19.5 minutes with the cheat. SmallAnt was almost as fast without cheating as Dream was with cheating. It shows that SmallAnt is the better speedrunner by far.

[@boriskogan5973]

ant is better, but it also has something to do with the meta change, bastions are much more viable than classic and waaaaay faster

[@spooky6703]

Pff, people in here claiming it might really be an accident. He's spent the last what, six months saying he didn't cheat, going to the extent of hiring an astrophysicist to do the math for him, and didn't think to, I dunno, check his files to make sure the mod he was testing was still on? He'd have to be living on a diet of lead paint to not draw the connection between unreal luck, and the mod he was testing just before hand to give him unreal luck. He's either lying, or so stupid he's lucky to have survived childhood.

[@freshlymemed5680]

Didn't the speedrunner admins ask for his game files? He must've "accidentally" removed the mod from the files before sending.

[@literalynxxo]

@@freshlymemed5680 He did in fact claim to have accidentally removed the mod. Dream said he is always messing with his mods folder and that by the time the moderators asked for his folder he'd already changed things. Pretty convenient. 🙄

[@commandguthix]

Gotta love how he "accidentally" used a mod. After doing all the shit he did to "prove" he didn't cheat before entertaining the slight possibility of a mod altering his chances. No fucking way he didn't cheat on purpose. It's honestly disgusting that people still defend him for this.

[@ihaveaverygoodchanneliswea4728]

Dream is living in some old ass house with lead water pipes

[@gamign69]

He said the mod was server side which if that was the case why would he need it in his clients mods folder

[@WaywardVector]

During the twitch trivia games, those who cheated, “accidentally” or not, were never allowed back. The same policy should apply.

[@oyah999]

would not happen ever considering Dream is at that point where he is too big too fail. Also Twitch probably does not care much about the speedrunning community.

[@krablord]

@@oyah999 Twitch does not run the speedrunning community or the sites they use to monitor scores, the site should perma ban him from submitting any times to their platform basically.

[@sawyer5072]

Not that I don't agree with the sentiment but just because something happened at a twitch trivia game doesn't mean it applies literally anywhere else

[@lepapanouwel4663]

"Dream admitted cheating" Oh sorry we needed him to SAY it? Lmaooo

[@billy6678]

technically yes. it was really safe to assume that he cheated but the word admit requires the original person to say it. you cant admit to something for someone else lmao

[@Sponsie1000]

Well first he was trying to refute it, which doesnt mean he's automatically right but it did raise the need to an investigation etcc. Him admitting it cuts all that stuff out, even if it's wayy down the line. l'm not saying it couldve gone either way before he admitted it (there was pretty clear evidence his luck was too perfect), but it's still prettier overall for him to admit guilt l'd say :]

[@novasnotvibing]

@@billy6678 the implication is not that we needed him to say it for dream to have admitted it, the implication is that we did not need him to say it to know that he did it. So “technically yes” is not correct here.

[@billy6678]

@@novasnotvibing I’m talking grammar wise specifically. If you read my comment you could see I said that it was safe to assume he cheated but again, you can’t admit to something for someone else. That’s not how grammar works. And before you ask, no I’m not a Dream stan, just a fan of correct grammar.

[@youngveggies6558]

@@billy6678 technically no lmao

[@rifatbobos]

It's like "I did not really kill them, I accidentally pulled the trigger" While fully aware that they brought the gun, loaded the gun and pointed the gun at the victim

[@twingemios5139]

“Accidentally” come on be honest he knew and then lied about it to everyone. Which then causes the moderators of the speed run to get doxxed and sent death threats

[@Selfinflictedhummusrocket]

Dream is gonna get cancelled eventually, when the rest of the secrets come out. Don't take my word for it though, just wait. He's got a lot of skeletons in his closet.

[@aedd3307]

how would he ever ACCIDENTALLY put a mod that slighlty incrementing the chance of dropping specific items for such a long time? of course he's lying, it's just that he doesn't and will never have the balls to truly admit it.

[@Meowzipan]

Do you have any proof of the last two claims? :/

[@tsunerei]

I dont know where to put myself between: dream stan | believing he cheated intentionally I believe that Dream did accidentally cheat, but didnt have the guts to say it worried that he might get canceled. I mean, if I were in his situation, I would shit myself knowing I accidentally cheated. I would've done more action faster though like removing my speedrun, trying to do another one, publicly apologizing, stuff like that. It is kinda Dream's fault, but also not. I dont know to be honest

[@codetaku]

@@tsunerei If you believe that for even a second then you are actually stupid, dude. He claimed for months that he didn't even know how to HYPOTHETICALLY load a mod or datapack that would do this exact thing. When he was literally a programmer before a youtuber, and had mods for this all along for his other content. Also, other professional minecrafters noticed this discrepancy literally while watching his runs live. You think Dream, someone highly experienced in minecraft speedrunning who specifically *complained about 1.16 RNG* wouldn't have noticed across 6 streams after coming back to 1.16 that his luck was completely insane? Wouldn't have even thought to investigate it before he (a) submitted the run, and (b) spent literally two months from October to December (before geosquare's video even came out!!) harassing the mods and accusing them of clout-chasing? He is obviously a chronic liar and anyone who still doesn't see it is either 12 or a moron. Edit: to be clear, smallant is not 12 or a moron, he is literally just pretending to believe Dream so that he doesn't get death threats from Dream's absolutely toxic fanbase.

[@renskedemeulder913]

"unfortunatly there where no piglins, so I restarted." so we're just gonna ignore that you jumped in the lava haha

[@hhaavvvvii]

Easy way to restart in a permadeath world without having to delete the file.

[@NosiAttack]

"Accidental cheating", also known as "cheating but my underage fans will still defend me"

[@dreamydailine]

Scary accurate especially when you have a wide part of a wild fanbase of people that barely have enough braincells to think.

[@consumerofbepsi5254]

Like the funny thing is that he just ignored all the defense he tried all the death threats his fans sent to people and just... *up and pulled the victim card*

[@Sam-bn5bb]

Yeah I used to enjoy his videos, but after the continuous lengthy lies, I just can’t watch him anymore without getting a bad taste in my mouth. I probably wouldn’t have cared as much if he just admit it right off the bat.

[@pultofcat8615]

“I made this custom mod for videos and ‘forgot’ to turn it off while speedrunning and when I was called out I somehow forgot I made that mod”

[@dreamydailine]

@@Sam-bn5bb My gut is correct about 90% of the time in terms of determining what "vibe" or "energy" the person is. Had ominous energy coming from him ever since I got introduced and had no idea why. Then him wearing a mask in fanart that's made for him makes more sense than it should and my gut told me drama was popping up. Guess I was correct, but I wouldn't have known weren't for the comments here.

[@Kizaco]

Not to start a discussion, but dream admitting to cheating kinda gives me big brother turning off the wii when you about to win on “accident” vibes

[@manicfreeman8861]

Not to even touch on the dream thing (and sorry for reviving your dead comment) but I just viscerally flashed back to my two cousins and I and when we would play Mario Kart 64 (one was same age as me and one was younger) There was no accident about it that little shit (the younger one) would throw his controller aside and lunge for the reset button on the console if he was losing and be completely unapologetic about it.

[@spacebassist]

​@@manicfreeman8861(not sorry for necro-ing the thread) people who get pissy over reviving threads - especially when a question isn't answered - are obnoxious. I've not seen as much of a stigma for it on here or anywhere *other than* forums where software errors never get fixed and you get told to Google it Irrelevant rant over

[@DarkShard5728]

​@@spacebassistyoutube commenters when the stupid thing they said and didnt delete recieves attention after 2 months (they've barely lived that long)

[@spacebassist]

@@DarkShard5728 i don't understand, why are you pinging me? The first reply is a decent anecdote, I was just complaining about forum rules because I had a vague opening (and I still stand by it when nobody finds a solution)

[@dreairhead8857]

I will not lie, a category where all the rng is fixed would be kinda cool, call it “Dream%”

[@diablo.the.cheater]

cheat%

[@nottherealben]

it wouldn't be in the main Minecraft Java Edition boards but it would be in the Minecraft modded/datapacks board that was created for other mods used in MC speedruns

[@jm5820]

Dream doesnt even deserve that to be named after him. Hes a cheat and his fans still try to make excuses for him even tho he admitted to cheating himself. After all the drama is over, hopefully people will realise how bad he actually is at speedrunning. He had a 7 second lead over ant even when he was using cheats

[@rmoelleux]

@monc hilqs Let's not forget he hired a fucking scientist to manipulate statistics and defend his case with a 30 page report of BS, a scientist who probably told him the evidence overwhelmingly pointed towards him cheating, and not once he asked himself "oooh it's probably my multiplayer mod which happens to change drop rates to the exact same rates found in the moderator's report that is tampering with my shit, I should probably come clean". Dude's just straight up lied and is still lying

[@AstonWildsteel]

As someone outside of the Minecraft community who mostly gets his updates on speedrun community drama from Karl Jobst, I bothered to read Dream's entire text. So as someone who's neutral to it, it gives me the impression of a dude who let his ego and emotions get the better of him and burnt bridges and trust in the process. Which I can relate to on a human level because afaik Dream got incredibly popular within a short span of time and that can screw with everyone's mindset. Part of human psychology, really. Note I said relate, not excuse, those are two different things, he still effed up hard. So yeah, I believe him when he says it's an accident and he let his emotions cloud his critical thinking. And I also say he should stay away from speedrunning any game for at least a year because time needs to pass now to cool everybody down, and after that there will still be reasonable doubt cast on him if he tries to speedrun again and I can't blame the speedrun mods for having doubt in the future. Right now, neither being a fanboy or being a hater helps the situation.

[@toontales2479]

Can we get a speed running category called “dream luck”

[@sphynx2691]

That would be funny

[@blaker107]

Hell yea

[@theralf6454]

YES

[@Pihsrosnec]

Everyone always complains about RNG anyway, why not remove it?

[@EagleDarkX]

This is unironically a good idea tbf. Takes some of the BS luck out of it, makes it more appealing to do, and more skill based.

[@ImpracticalShield]

i love how it took dream 11 months to realise he was getting this level of luck thats identical to a mod he uses for the manhunt videos

[@Tom-hk2ep]

And essentially thousands upon thousands of runs, obviously working with his Mods folder inbetween for modded minecraft videos, never noticing the cheat

[@Lation94]

"Accidentally cheating", don't make me laugh. That dude knew very well about his mods. He's just mad he got caught cheating and tries to lie his way out of it for the past year now.

[@kamino9502]

“Oh no I accidentally didn’t notice my mod was installed, and that the drop rates I got were of 1 in 7.5 trillions, since I don’t speedrun that often I couldn’t have noticed it, oh and obviously I insulted who accused me and didn’t even think for a second that my *mod to get better drop rates for the only two most important items to speedrun Minecraft* could have been activated after I’ve been told that my drop rates were of 1 in 7.5 trillion”

[@arms.3559]

Smant knows dream cheated intentionally, he just doesnt want to get death threats and such from toxic dream stans

[@kamino9502]

@@arms.3559 yeah dream’s community sucks quite a lot

[@Lation94]

@@arms.3559 Yup, thought the same. People would get mad and cry really quickly but SmallAnt ain't stupid and he covers it up really well in his video.

[@galacticfire5189]

@@arms.3559 Yeah I mean most of dream's friends and stuff also probably know that he cheated but they are obviously pretending to believe him because they are his friends. Even though smallant probably knows that he actually cheated, he probably doesn't want to get on bad terms with dream also.

[@moxie2D]

Smallant with the godlike video timing See yall at 10m views we're going to the mooooooon

[@UncleanSnelk]

Moxie the legend

[@rozo292]

Oh yes we are( also before anybody says I am commenting on a verified yt cause he verified, I don’t even know the guy , and his comment is genuinely creative , and just nice and simple )

[@Peloisreal]

MOXIE *notice**me* *senpi*

[@merzbowbb]

@@rozo292 imo you don’t need the whole justification in parentheses thing. just comment on whatever you want to comment on. It’s a yt comment section it don’t really matter

[@maggieisyourfriend]

You’re not wrong Mox - lets goooo

[@B0wtieguy]

Gotta love how Ant said “accidentally” because he is afraid of what Dream stans will do if he says Dream intentionally cheated (which is the truth.)

[@onecommunistboi]

I dont think he's necessarily afraid. He just doesn't want to talk about the drama. Like he said in the video. If he wanted to state that Dream is still lying (which let's be honest is most definitely the case) he'd need to back that position up. But he doesn't want to, so he just let's it slide for the purposes of the intro.

[@ultimate9057]

it’s called doing the smart thing and being neutral.

[@FireballFlame]

@@onecommunistboi It's pretty certainly the case, we all know that; but we can't strictly speaking prove it, so Ant stuck to being neutral here since that's not what the video is about.

[@sadiqmohamud5948]

Oh no they'll click on the video and give him views. The horror!!!

[@Thisisthegreatestatofalltime]

I thought he just said it sarcastically

[@gatex33d74]

"oops, i accidentally cheated" "oops, i accidentally deleted my response"

[@daswasich1147]

oops, accidently liked your comment my bad

[@gatex33d74]

@@daswasich1147 oops i accidentally responded to you, sorry

[@AIRYHFJONEIRL]

@@gatex33d74 oops I accidnetally responded to your response that wasn't for me

[@AstroBlakeD]

@@AIRYHFJONEIRL oops i accidentally responded to your response which was responding to another response.

[@AIRYHFJONEIRL]

@@AstroBlakeD oops i accidnetally forgot I commented

[@-barndon]

I always come back to this video to hear "accidentally cheating" and "plugin he was unknowingly using" like bruh you have to install those LMAO

[@burnerfrenzy3392]

“That’s 8th in the world right now, thats 8 people have a better run than that.”

[@deykuzor]

Did anyone else catch that during his stream?

[@dotRianne]

8 verified tho* There's a leaderboard with unverified (yes that includes awaiting verification) runs too where he'd be maybe 20th

[@burnerfrenzy3392]

@@dotRianne hi toxic watch ur vids, and the joke was that if he’s 8th, how can 8 people have the better run than him

[@Lorekeeper_GGuy]

You forgot about 0th place, duh

[@burnerfrenzy3392]

@@Lorekeeper_GGuy oh I did, I overlooked that critical placement

[@jamesflanagan6977]

Does anyone have the seed for the 13:31? Forget about pearls and rods, that seed luck was way more impactful, might be like top 20 best seeds ever generated in rsg. Completable ruined portal, 27 nuggets and a light, soul sand valley spawn (potentially divine travel, would need further investigation), fastion, very close blind from near fortress, ocean exposed portal room

[@bob_jones]

Dream's "accidental" luck. Ugh. It hurts that some people actually believe it was "accidental" like he claims.

[@ruxis2563]

Small part of me thinks it was accidental and he's just a complete and utter moron. Randomly posting that tells me it either crept up on his conscience or he found out a day before and was like "well...shit". Just seems odd to me since he could have kept the illusion up for as long as he wanted but he didn't. Just a weird situation all round.

[@ruxis2563]

@A B yea but that's the thing. A bunch of people definitely believed he had mods but I like many were already over it. People were obviously still memeing about it but the amount of people still going after him about it would be ridiculously small. Coming clean out of the blue just doesn't strike me as the right play if he was 100% lying. It's weird man.

[@topsyturvy1097]

@@ruxis2563 he's just bringing it up again for clout

[@kaibaker1668]

@@ruxis2563 maybe it wasn’t how many people didn’t care anymore instead it was who still did care.

[@muhammadabdullahzaman2319]

he said accidental cuz he didnt want a drama to start in the comments, yet it still happened

[@aryank3776]

“I’m sorry sir I killed him by a accident” “Sir you drove over him 2 times shot him in the head, stomach and arms and legs” “I know sir a accident”

[@thevirtualpug3d868]

*an

[@bioticsla]

nice strawman

[@gawesome2376]

Dont take it too far guys. Lol

[@positroniic]

@@gawesome2376 but thats what dream did

[@TheDanishGuyReviews]

The absolute DRAGGING of a guy l've never heard of in this comment section is fueling me today.

[@pango9519]

You're lucky you haven't the guy is basically omnipresent on Twitter and YT and I don't even watch MC content

[@TheDanishGuyReviews]

@@pango9519 That's wild to hear. I don't watch MC content outside of Ant or the occasional Vtuber clip, and yet l've never seen him reccomended. Nor any other MC vids either, come to think of it. My recs are a bit of a closed loop of the same like 15 channels l'm not subbed to but still watch sometimes.

[@codex_jinora]

@@TheDanishGuyReviews Jesus... 2019-2020 were nothing but dream skyrocketing to #1 on KZbin, I'm shocked there's anyone who watches KZbin that doesn't know who he is. Teach me your ways of curating your feed, I'm jealous.

[@TheDanishGuyReviews]

@@codex_jinora I stay away from the big names, that seems to help. I never get any LP KZbinrs in my feed, and the only completely new stuff l've been shown all of last year have been pre-1000 sub channels.

[@EbonMaster]

@@TheDanishGuyReviews you clearly stay off of twitter too since for a while anytime he would do basically anything on stream it would start trending. I think he basically had to actively tell his fans to stop doing that at some point lol.

[@TheOneWhoHasABadName]

I think this would have been a nice meme category, if Dream had admitted to cheating “unintentionally” instantly. It was the best defense, and he ruined it by trying to contest the math poorly. In any case, if Dream doesn’t want to make it a meme run, I guess SmallAnt can do it himself. gg

[@Starrofheart]

@@billy6678 everyone knew he cheated expect his stans

[@HectorSanchez-yc1fi]

@@Starrofheart I'm just glad that I'm not a fan anymore, the cheating scandal saved me from becoming a stan

[@TheOneWhoHasABadName]

@@billy6678 the “astrophysicist” was not very competent anyway; there were many great critiques of the paper, one by another particle physicist which you can read in the link appended to the next reply.

[@TheOneWhoHasABadName]

@@billy6678 Link to the critique: www.reddit.com/r/statistics/comments/kiqosv/d_accused_minecraft_speedrunner_who_was_caught/ggse2er/?context=3

[@UnlimitedGreenWorks]

@@billy6678 and got bullied by other professional physicists and mathmagicians!

[@mechy1261]

Love how people are doing whole rants in the comments while Ant tried not to start drama.

[@consistent_azurite6043]

In fairness, it doesn't look like anybody is ranting about Ant, so it's really just free algorithm juice for mentioning Dream.

[@Biosquid239]

@@consistent_azurite6043 lol algorithm juice

[@Harpy-with-Legs]

Yeah I don’t see any rants either

[@mechy1261]

I mean, there are people complaining and arguing about dream. That's all I was trying to say.

[@pango9519]

@@mechy1261 we're free to do that regardless of whether or not Ant wants it or not. Besides, Dream was such a huge cheater it's been immortalized as a meme

[@imacheckneck]

I believe its possible to forget you had a mod in your mods folder, especially when you use lots of mods. where dream went wrong was when he assumed people were unfairly attacking him and lashed out when he should have just checked his damn mods folder and said "shit my bad" and the whole situation would be over and done with

[@ac4694]

yeah, its possible to run cheats in one game and play fair in another. Destruction of evidence and denying was also accidental as there was no chance for him to cheat. With such luck he probably was born by accident

[@asabad1268]

​@@ac4694damn that's funny

[@ac4694]

@@asabad1268 hell yeah, cheats are super fun. Competition gets rekt

[@Genburthing]

he says he deleted the mods folder

[@frankzander6234]

@@Genburthinghe tampered with his game logs that he submitted xd

[@yourwelcome5293]

This is how you get away from a crime, an "accident"

[@jeltje50]

"ohh officer did I just Rob that bank? Oopsie woopsie it was an accident" Dream said after laying and gastlighting for months not wanting to admit he lied.

[@johannesboomsma4680]

Oh sorry I "accidentally" assaulted my neighbour

[@simonbastianelli5540]

You gotta use the law trinity : "Sorry sir, I was drunk. I'm a minor and I deeply regret what I did."

[@analienwithwifi4783]

Sorry I accidentally murdered 17 people

[@TheOneWhoHasABadName]

@@simonbastianelli5540 “drunk” and “minor” probably don’t go very well together, but at least the minor part will probably protect you you’ll get some collateral damage though, even if they believe you fully somehow

[@rosilinathedragon4382]

ant when i saw the stream name was “using Dream’s cheating mod” i thought you were joking

[@esaesnose3468]

Same dude

[@zalezagoon1247]

Same

[@Ryboy_SSB]

Wow a dream "luck" mod the day after he came out about his cheating, the timing couldn't be more perfect.

[@raeosunshine24]

tanner did it on purpose! he got the mod yesterday morning and streamed this yesterday afternoon/evening!

[@theoledicktwist6247]

Came out is a loose term. According to him he was "accidentally" cheating which, since it's a plugin is total BS

[@Ryboy_SSB]

@@raeosunshine24 And thats why I love smallant

[@ChJuHu93]

@@theoledicktwist6247 No, you can forget what you installed. But manipulating the files you send to varification and not checking if you are in the wrong when the opposing side had evidence severe enough that they would win a criminal case against you, that cant be accidental.

[@kiattim2100]

@@ChJuHu93 nah It is an accident. He even accidentally hired a astrophysicist to prove you WRONG.

[@Thotacus]

Dream should’ve just said that he accidentally left a mod/plug in on from one of his man hunt series and been done. He just can’t stop trying to act like it isn’t a big deal, that it’s not really his fault, or anything of the sort. Dude took so long to finally say something just to try and brush it off when apparently the whole reason he didn’t say it sooner was because it was a big deal to him.

[@skyfire12306]

But it *isn't* a big deal. He cheated, but guess what? IT DOESN'T MATTER.

[@Thotacus]

@@skyfire12306 clearly it matters to you if you’re gonna respond lmao

[@pokemomlordQ]

@@skyfire12306 I mean people were sent death threats for calling him a cheater just for him to turn around and go "guess i did cheat mb"

[@Gemarald]

New speedrun catagory: Dream%, a run with modified drop rates so you can eliminate rng. It's truly the best of both worlds, people who hate rng get their own catagory and people who like rng get any%. I see this as an absolute win, turning a negative into a positive.

[@ShugoAWay]

Or just call it GoodDrops% so a cheating scumbag doesn't get recognition

[@ephraimhxe1799]

@@ShugoAWay Honestly someone else pointed out that it would immortalize Dream's screwup.

[@fullshark09]

Dream has been getting subscribers, donations and income due to fame born out of cheating. He should be rejected by the community big time.

[@OnlyNeedJuan]

Honestly, I get the addition of the "accidental" bit, wouldn't want to have rabid Dream children after you.

[@madskillzy2k]

"accidental" thats why he refused to share he's logs when they asked for it at the start of all this xD

[@Nat_the_Chicken]

I don't think that's even specifically what he's worried about, clearly the comment section is full of people saying Dream sucks. He just wants to avoid making any kind of statement on the drama regardless of what he thinks, and if that involves quoting Dream's claim at the time, he's willing to do it. I respect that approach a lot.

[@zapking8209]

To me, this shows that you have the skill to get a really good time, you just don’t do enough runs to get the proper luck. So good job for the skill part of that :)

[@alonsans]

Proceeds to set himself on fire trying to light the portal KEKW

[@zapking8209]

@@alonsans ._. we don’t need to talk about that lol

[@JoseAlberto-Jugo]

The mod literally makes you have the luck of the 99.9999 percentile, a run like that is not even one in a life time, it's one in history

[@benman92]

He would’ve pb’d this run if he wasn’t doing this. Never cheat kids :)

[@benvail7303]

You don’t get this kind of luck by ‘doing a lot of runs’ lmao. This luck is completely unrealistic and will never be replicated by anyone in the world.

[@robinlaszlo]

dude I'm glad someone has finally showed exactly how full of shit Dream is without being rude about it or just straight calling him a lying cheater.

[@dototo4616]

I think that the fact that this luck gave SmallAnt a much better time than Dream's shows who is the best speedrunner

[@aryst0krat]

Not necessarily. The strategies have evolved a lot since Dream's run, such that this kind of luck isn't really even necessary anymore. So if Dream did this new run with the same cheats, he'd undoubtedly get a faster time than he did in the original run anyway. He could probably even beat it without them, as I'm sure despite his cheating he's decent enough at the game.

[@DeathofHeavens]

@@aryst0krat also on top of that dream actually got unlucky with his run, he was on wr pace but had bad luck on the end fortress losing him time

[@056vishvrajchauhan4]

@@DeathofHeavens "unlukcy" cant be redeemed here, He was already using a mod that boosted his luck. Even if he got a better run it was not legit in any way

[@DeathofHeavens]

@@056vishvrajchauhan4 im pointing out the fact that if he didnt have that bit of bad luck at the end of his run he would have had a cheat no 1 world record at the time. some people claim that his cheating wasnt bad coze he didnt get the world record but he definitly was on pace to get one thanks to his cheat and I find that unacceptable, the only reason he didnt get the WR was due to bad luck outside of the mods control

[@TheOneWhoHasABadName]

@@aryst0krat which is what makes it so tragic; if he took the time to learn bastion routes, he’d effectively have the pearl part of the luck enhancement. If he just decided to wait and learn the game a bit more (or even better, figure out new strats himself), he would have been much less frustrated. Alas, the guy has insufficient patience.

[@ekereus9037]

Jokes aside, that seed was also godlike

[@PencilNova]

I mean,its "Dream luck" what can you expect

[@dotRianne]

Its sad cuz now smallant thinks he got the sub14 due to dream luck, but even without that mod on he'd have had a sub15 here.

[@freshlymemed5680]

​@@dotRianne and if he had played with as much skill as a dedicated speedrunner he'd probably do better.

[@BBTManiac]

I haven't been hitting vods as hard as I used to, but usually Smant gets held up in his runs by blind travel and perch luck. Those were godly in teh urn here, so there's gotta be time save in there as well.

[@FlanneriesTruck]

now THIS is comedy

[@Irrationaaaaal]

Now THIS is podracing.

[@emma-rb4sp]

nice aiba icon

[@schwarz8614]

Hey someone else liking AI !

[@ErogamerKoki]

Gacha gamers always know how the "drop rate up" thing can get really good, even if the rate up is just from 0,5% to 1%

[@moonronic]

how can you go from being so absolutely defensive & adamant that u didnt cheat to going "uhm i made an oopsie i did have the cheats on" like?? but u were sure that u didnt?? "my mods werent on guys i swear i hired a physicist to prove im not cheating" to "okay i did cheat but i didnt know" like pick ur poison lol

[@virtual2288]

Exactly. And i don't know how anyone buys "I ACCIDENTALY CHEATED" like tf. You lie for breakfast dream who tf would buy that. And of course harrasses people lmao.

[@sinkoprvi3477]

Dream going 200 MPH in a car be like "oopsie i forgot i modified the gas pedal sorry guys 😳😳🥺🥺"

[@maggieisyourfriend]

Not before telling everyone that his car was “just like that” for 6 months first! 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@kimberlyzhang1527]

accidentally murdered 2 families...oops, sorry, didn't mean it. Time to tweet out, "You guys trust me, right?"

[@brandipityha9457]

bruh, why is everyone so tilted about a guy cheating in minecraft... ITS MINECRAFT and all you kids are so pressed about it

[@minzekatze]

@@brandipityha9457 so true just dont watch him if you don't like him (not watching him btw just wanna say)

[@josepoktovianus5866]

@@brandipityha9457 cause he have been lying about it for months and months and saying that he cheated "accidentally"

[@bigchez2855]

I hope seeing all the drops Tanner got makes it easier to understand why Geosquare called foul in the first place.

[@CaughtIn35mm]

I hate how he got off scot-free by saying he "accidentally" cheated and "accidentally" forgot to take off the mod even though he said he cleared his mod file after the run so there would be no way of knowing if he cheated

[@barf_death]

Yes, dream just accidentally left the mods on to skew mob drops, trade luck, and decrease the chances of eyes of ended breaking. It was an accident guys, the mods are such bullies.

[@BasicallySai]

Yeah I know right?

[@sludgy5134]

I think it’s possible that this was an accident (As it’s the mods he uses for manhunts), it’s also very possible this was deliberate. And even if it was a mistake, the second someone said the chances it seemed to have, he should have realized “Oh, what are the odds that’s the exact chances I use for my man hunts, maybe I left that on” rather then arguing for months

[@joelmarriner487]

@@sludgy5134 yeah and it's mainly that last part why I think he deliberately cheated. If he had apologized at the start and admitted he was using the mod by "accident" I think there's enough plausible deniability there to just move on from the issue but now it's pretty clear he had malicious intent.

[@Ghi102]

I would have accepted the excuse if he did it after he got accused of cheating. But after months of fighting? No way

[@LandoReal__]

@@sludgy5134 he probably didn’t even think about that for a while because he was probably angry for a long ass time. probably really caught up in the, “the dudes are really tryna fucking clout chase me, what the fuck” and he spent a while trying to defend himself because he thought someone was out to mess with him. I assume when he calmed down he actually realized and was like “oops, well I was mad for no reason” but that’s a good faith interpretation. good faith and bad faith both make sense, it’s kinda just down to how YOU feel and if you wanna believe it. I’ve had a few times in my life to where I lost something and blamed everyone because I was pissed and then a few days later when I got over it, I just found it in my room. So idk 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@m0ldyche3se]

“Accidentally” cheated. Lmfao!

[@pokemonfanmario7694]

Thats the sad thing, hes going to get away with it thanks to the horde of sheep that are his fans.

[@Vassilinia]

I feel like he should be temp banned from the leaderboards, no one actually believes that 'accident' bs.

[@schinkenowo6520]

@@pokemonfanmario7694 i mean what should they do ? like ya its bad to cheat but still his content is good.

[@parch8774]

@@schinkenowo6520 No it isn't.

[@longcx7242]

@@schinkenowo6520 His content is getting repetitive and boring imo, and having good content doesn't justify his cheating actions.

[@wail2774]

"accidently cheating" god dammit i hate how insufferable dream is he really can't admit that he cheated on purpose, can he?

[@MrAlienated]

only thing is if he was gonna cheat why not just go all the way instead of hightening drops by a little bit, i get its still a massive change but if your gonna risk it either way then why not?

[@asdfoifhvjbkaos]

@@MrAlienated that argument makes no sense, obviously you would wanna cheat in a way that you don't think people would notice by manipulating rng you can try to play the "i got lucky" defense

[@wail2774]

@@asdfoifhvjbkaos i bet that even if he had used some crazy hacks , his stans would've supported him on his quest of being always in the right nonetheless

[@jkahl5596]

@@wail2774 yeah and it's terrible how his entire fan base went after people and he isn't even going to get trouble at all for cheating. It's just one of those things when someone is too big to fail.

[@jkahl5596]

His entire post was just trying to downplay the situation and say it wasn't really his fault because it was an accident and he didn't even post it because he felt bad it was because it was discovered he had more runs that he cheated also

[@sawyerkindt3809]

That’s the most debatable “accidentally” I’ve ever heard

[@zozolecek]

That is probably because it is not debatable, it is basucally known that he used it with his knowledge lmao

[@Whiplash_MUSIC-hj7vp]

The saddest thing is that he still probably would have gotten a 15-16 minute time with that seed without the mod. F in the chat for Ant.

[@BLazeWigglytuff]

F

[@jucom756]

"Unknowingly" i know you don't want to piss of dream stans but the "Unknowingly" is another classic "shift-the-blame-away-from-dream" move which he's (dream not ant, ant is from canada) employed in like litterally every tweet he made about this drama

[@Poseidon-oz9pg]

Lmao I love the "not ant, ant is from canada" lmao

[@janehrahan5116]

@@Poseidon-oz9pg "hes from canada" is gonna need to become an ant meme.

[@callmetony4399]

This video show just how bullshit that excuse with how much ant feels how different it is from normal.

[@nategwright]

I like the idea of having a category where there is almost zero luck involved and it’s purely up to player skill. What if they made a subcategory of Set Seed that uses Dream Luck?

[@trigger7ff6]

isn't that a less tas-y tas? cool idea tho

[@play4cake671]

@@trigger7ff6 Yeah but sometimes these small diffrences and rules lead to completely different experiences from the runs. I guess you would mod it so all mobs have static drops that lead them to dropping at least 1 of everthing they could possibly drop from there loot table.

[@ikhwansyatrichahidayatulla7158]

Dream%

[@ondras5241]

The problem is that seeds are random, so everyone would have to use the same seed all the time, which would change it from "good at Minecraft" to "good at this seed". So, yeah. Good idea, sadly doesn't work.

[@play4cake671]

@@ondras5241 If your goal was remove literally ALL LUCK then yes. Thou you could say make a category that removes only say the least intresting forms of luck like loot drops but keeps the cooler stuff like worlds and bioems. Things that a players knowlage of the game can effect. (or effect alot more at least)

[@iancro2468]

I have a fun Pokémon sword challenge you can do if u want 1. Every gym battle you release a Pokémon 2. No dynamax battles 3. You can only have a max of 6 Pokémon at a time, that means no sacrifice Pokémon so you keep your good ones 4. Once you use wooper you can’t use him again this goes with every Pokémon but I said wooper because I know you like him. 5. You can use a random number generator to find out what Pokémon to release without preferences