SmallRig vs Tilta BMPCC4K Cage Match

[@alessandrovalentino3406]

Great video guys. Just as a heads up it's a "cold shoe" not a "hot shoe." A hot shoe refers to a shoe that has power or some sort of electronic connection.

[@alexcole4429]

I think Randy is my favorite part of this video!

[@adamkempenich]

Yeah, he's kind of cool, I guess.

[@guptageneralstores5243]

Actually, smallrig has more options when it comes to SSDs. 1. The standard T5 clamp. 2. A wooden NATO handle that has a built in casing where the T5 slides in. The advantage it has though, is that you can flip it to use on either sides unlike the Tilta. 3. A clamp very similar to the first option. It holds on to the SSD like a mobile phone clamp. The advantage being, it's not exclusive to T5 and you can use T5s, angelbirds, seagates and other compact SSDs. It can also be used as a power supply option for mirrorless cameras as you can also mount a power bank or in fact a cellphone to remotely control the bmpcc I went for the second option for my smallrig cage and has the sunhood mount T5 for my Tilta. I personally would prefer the smallrig as I can use most of the parts except for the cage itself on any camera with any cage. Plus it's basically lego where the possibilities of customising your rig are endless. I in fact made the very tilta v-mount baseplate shown here using parts that smallrig is already selling for a third of the price. With the Tiltas it's sort of a closed environment with very few options that work universally. Although both the brands are top notch in terms of quality and Tilta definitely feels a lot more premium in terms of finish. And if someone's happy in the ecosystem and plans to keep buying a rig for every new system, Tilta is fantastic. This was a very fair and fun comparison.

[@KevinFedde]

Really liking that this is a bit more in-depth than your usual videos.

[@threefoldtv]

Thanks Kevin! We hope to do more long-form videos in the future!

[@caffeinecreature]

For me personally Tilta comes in first with that V-mount plate, cable management, the Nucleus Nano motor, and the handle to control it - which is also sold in a variant with a Rosette mount allowing you to tilt it forward for comfort during low angle shots.

[@ConstructionKronies]

right on great video guys, i built my rig up with all smallrig (cage, wooden side and top handles, lens support, 13mm rod top plate, 2 carbon fibre rods, cable clamp, speedbooster to cage lock, I custom fit a vmount cheese plate with a double 13mm rod attachment (so i can lay vmount flat and counterweight), 7" articulating arm (for mounting aputure mc) and the smaller black handle for the other side handle), universal ssd holder and finally I have the swivel tilt cold mount for holding the monitor on the top wooden handle or the clamp on attachment to attach monitor to tripod. Then I have shape (135wh vmount, follow focus), metabones for bmpcc4k and sigma art 18-35, atomos shinobi and the manfrotto 504hd tripod head and legs. If it wasn't for guys like you I would not know of all these awesome rigging options so cheers!

[@threefoldtv]

Hey thanks man, really glad to hear you got value out of it! That sounds like a pretty solid rig, would love to see image of it!

[@ConstructionKronies]

@@threefoldtv for sure, if you browse my KZbin community tab or my IG I post a lot of photos. Glad to have come across you today.

[@mantenbrink]

Smallrig has upped their game a lot, there is now a bracket like the tilta for the hdmi and usb-c port and they have new improved ssd holders and more top handle options. I feel like smallrig just allows more flexibility but tilta has a great ready to go package if you go all tilta

[@DutchAussieProductions]

Thanks for the video guys. I had not considered that SmallRig top handle before but will have a look at it now. SmallRig sells lockable cold shoes.

[@ejazmehedi]

Fun, informative video! Bummer smallrig discontinued the top handle used here, it was a solid option! Thanks guys!

[@vicentecalado4095]

First time here! Really nice video!!!

[@threefoldtv]

Welcome Vicente! Thanks for watching!

[@yasorf]

I really wanted to see the matches of the mat boxes!

Awesome! Could you make an update video about the same topic? I am sure you made some upgrades.

[@AustralianImage]

Not sure how I came across this, but as a 2x BMPCC4K owner, it's always interesting to see how others have rigged their cameras. Yours is a pretty fair and reasonable assessment of both systems, though I think SmallRig offers more versatility because they don't use any propriety parts. I use a mix of SmallRig, Camvate and Tilta gear. I'm curious as to why you considered the Tilta cable management system better, as with the way the right angle connector works, it leaves the USB-C cable and especially the HDMI cable quite vulnerable, sticking out the rear as it does. The HDMI cable is susceptible to knocks from both the side and back, as it's completely unprotected. And remove those rubber covers, they serve no purpose once you start rigging the BMPCC4K.

[@AustralianImage]

@PRIVATE I'm working on a video that shows my two rigs as they have now come together after owning my first BMPCC4K since Oct 2018. Both have gone through various iterations. It might surprise some at how compact the rigs can get, especially my run and gun one with monitor, mic etc and yet allow up to 4 hours continuous shooting. Nor does it look like Frankenstein's Monster. I will also have some interesting information about power options for the BMPCC4K that makes a mockery of all the bleating that has gone on about the BMPCC4k since it was released.

[@AustralianImage]

@PRIVATE Thanks. I know what you mean about gear acquisition, though sometimes that's the only way to realise what you do and don't need. I have similar feelings about gimbals and I've thrown an idea to one gimbal manufacturer that, if fully workable and taken up, could change the gimbal world dramatically. I'll talk about that in my video as well. I'm still waiting for a couple of small parts that I want to test out and include in my video, which hopefully will arrive fairly soon.

[@pasmac625]

insightful content. I'm interested to know how you label you gears and accessories. I see your logo brand on the battery. Thanks

[@mrhobs]

I really got some useful information from this, but was sorta hoping you'd go into the baseplates 'n stuff.

[@b-sidesessions7583]

It looks like the NPF power solution is mounted to the rails while sitting in between the camvate lower piece? Can you clarify how you mounted the NPF power plate?

[@threefoldtv]

So its a bit odd how I mounted it but basically I took a small 2in 15mm rail and then used a male 1/4 20 to male 1/4 20 adapter and screwed it into the 2in 15mm rail. That 2in rail then got screwed vertically into the underside of the quick release plate right in the middle (between the 2 long 15 mm rails.Then i used a 15mm rod clamp and attached the NPF battery plate to that and that got attached to the 2in 15mm rail. The longer 15mm rails end up sitting flush on the back of the NPF plate making it look like its attached to the long 15mm rails, although its not actually attached there they do help give it extra support. Hopefully this makes sense? If it doesn't i can try and take a few pictures to help clarify! These are the parts I used. www.amazon.com/SMALLRIG-Rods-Threads-Clamp-Mount/dp/B00PJWZKNG/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=smallrig+15mm+rail+2in&qid=1593019833&sr=8-2 www.amazon.com/Standard-Threaded-Mounting-Converter-Precision/dp/B018SMYL9M/ref=sr_1_9?crid=7CZCYYLMH0NS&dchild=1&keywords=1%2F4+20+to+1%2F4+20+adapter&qid=1593019849&sprefix=1%2F4+20+to+1%2F%2Caps%2C190&sr=8-9 www.amazon.com/Smallrig-Connector-Adapter-Threads-Wingnut/dp/B006FGKUUI/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=smallrig+rail+block&qid=1593019861&sr=8-4

[@directedbyerick1652]

@@threefoldtv yes! please we need pictures lol

[@directedbyerick1652]

@@threefoldtv and a how to video... It's insane how you figured out how to do that

[@threefoldtv]

@@directedbyerick1652 if you hop over to our "community" page I've post a link to a couple photos showing better how we configured it! Hopefully its helpful!

[@alejandrolora4027]

@@threefoldtv what about the pictures ?

[@JulesFredericNerestant]

There's more smallrig options for holding SSDs (BSH2343) including a handle (HSN2270)

[@threefoldtv]

Yep you're totally right, we completely spaced on those. They do look like solid options, thanks for sharing!

[@JulesFredericNerestant]

@@threefoldtv no problem!

[@directedbyerick1652]

What does Caleb have under his camvate baseplate? Is that helping it balance so it can stand upright? What is it?

[@TheDarKing997]

A point you should have covered Is the price of the two configurations, I think a pro of smallrig Is the price. Btw very nice video !

[@ajfesta]

How did you attach the npf plate to the qr mount??

[@threefoldtv]

If you head to our community page on KZbin and scroll down a bit we actually made a post about a year ago that shows some closer images showing how we attached it!

[@buknar456]

3:40 this is the real beauty of v mounts

[@aybee5908]

The matte-boxes are....?

[@threefoldtv]

www.polarprofilters.com/pages/basecamp-matte-box

[@marco.trerotola.filmmaker]

hi guys, very interesting and funny review I want to buy the smallrig battery solution, but I don't know how you fixed the plate underneath, did you use any particular accessories or did you build a handmade plate? Thanks!!!

[@threefoldtv]

Just a few extra rigging pieces. If you go to our KZbin community page and scroll down you'll find a post we did with some images better showing how we rigged it up. Thanks for watching!

[@marco.trerotola.filmmaker]

@@threefoldtv Grazie mille!!!

[@andrewsterklein]

Great review guys, but we're still waiting on the official Threefold teal/orange cinematic LUT pack

[@Andybaby]

Q: Are parts interchangable? I have Tilta, but need a lens support. Tilta's is $250, Smallrigs is $25. Can I put a Smallrig lens support on Tilta?

[@black-christmusikent2893]

Andybaby yes the thread sizes are pretty standard. People mix brands all the time as far as accessories being put on rigs

[@ericcoen8894]

tilta’s baseplate for 15mm rods?

[@A.M.A.D.E.U.S.]

Hey Caleb! Where can I find that riser so that I can place the battery where you have it? Thanks!

[@CallMeRabbitzUSVI]

Love the video but why didnt you use the ssd power handle from Tilta to power the black magic

[@threefoldtv]

The SSD Power Handle doesn't ship with the cable! We would love the rig to be more light weight, but we don't mind the extra power from the v-mount.

[@Burchyface]

Good stuff guys. What are your clamp on Matt boxes there?

[@threefoldtv]

Thanks! Those are the Polar Pro Basecamp matte boxes. We like them although we wish they used non proprietary filters.

[@Cowboytuning]

se puede conbinar los accesorios entre marcas como la cage tilta con el plato base de smallrig ?

[@tunantes7401]

with the npf configuration can you use the tilta follow focus mini?

[@directedbyerick1652]

What are the poles for on the first guys camera rig?

[@laurena.stevens2355]

Great video, thank you so much for sharing this. This was immensely helpful, more than you know!

[@omerlot]

Thanks for the video.. So a few months after, as a power solution , do you think the powerbase edge or a regular v-lock battery would be better?

[@threefoldtv]

Personally we like regular v-mount batteries better as they are more versatile and and capacity wise are a better bang for your buck as the powerbase edge seems a bit expensive for a 49Wh battery. Also attaching the Pockets with only a 1/4 20 screw seems a bit flimsy with the powerbase edge.

[@omerlot]

@@threefoldtv Thanks. I understand, makes sense. And would you power the camera (and monitor) with a dummy battery or directly from the d tap to the dc inputs? (Either just the camera or also the monitor)

[@threefoldtv]

We power ours with d-tap to DC connector for both the monitor and camera. That way we can still have an LPe6 battery in as a backup in case the v-mount battery dies

[@omerlot]

@@threefoldtv Thanks :)

[@StringerBell2002]

Matte Box??

[@MichaelMcWilliamsmaz]

what lens options are you guys showing here?

[@vividmotion66]

Nice comparison. Thx. What 18-35 lens is in the tilta rig?

[@threefoldtv]

That is the Sigma 18-35 Cine lens

[@Kashilembo]

Did you guys go with what looks better or what works better ? I feel like both cages are amazing and are almost identical

[@directedbyerick1652]

Please someone tell me how did Caleb get the camvate base plate to hold the npf battery plate in place he doesn't explain it here

[@threefoldtv]

Hey Rick! I just replied to B-Side Sessions at the top of the comments, hopefully that helps explain it a bit!

[@blackestknights]

I guess there are a few changes e.g small rig do a 90 degree hdmi /usbc adapter for their cages, p4k is already wide. The small rig sunshade is not just friction there is magnets in there. There is one big problem with tilta and Smallrig mounting holes tilta puts them on the front and smallrig on the side . e.g the follow focus rod mount for tilta goes on the cage front and needs a different mount on the side for smallrig.

[@TreyDaze]

Tilta’s cable management is impeccable.

[@aarongan5320]

Hi, I do like Zach rig, that the vmount is at the bottom as it doesn’t obstruct the back screen of the camera. Just wondering is the balance off? I plan to use 15mm rod with matte box and Easy rig

[@rjhillsr33]

What is the V-mount battery you're using on the Tilta kit?

[@threefoldtv]

It’s a movcam battery bracket

[@rjhillsr33]

@@threefoldtv not the bracket, the slim v-mount battery?

[@threefoldtv]

@@rjhillsr33 O sorry, its the Core SWX Nano 98wh V-Mount. I think they have discontinued making that specific model, but we really like them!

[@Vse_byde_dobre]

Can you please tell me if the angle Tilta head fits HDMI the SmallRig cage?

[@topside2]

I have the BMPCC 6k and I’m looking for power solutions! Awesome jobs guys. Thanks for the video. Now I kind of wish I would’ve just went for the Ursa G2 so I won’t need all this extra gear! It’s a give and take I guess!

[@skitka]

But, isn't that why it's called, Tilta? LOL @ 5:30

[@nichegholm1]

Great vid...thanks for the content! Is that a Jeppesen Flight Log Book the ref is using? :)

[@threefoldtv]

Oh you bet it is! (It was the only prop we had laying around the studio haha)

[@KONDORBLUE]

Nice video!

[@kaizenmedias]

Hypothetically, could the Tilta V-mount battery base plate fit on a smallrig cage?

[@stephenbroome7698]

Yes, I have the Small Rig cage and the Tilta (goldmount) plate on 15mm rails

[@guptageneralstores5243]

Sadly they now have discontinued this version and released a v2. So check if you can find a used first version one. It's basically the same, but just with two additional prongs on either side of the mounting screw so that it exclusively works with the new tilta cages -_- One could of course scrape/machine that off with some hardware but still. On the other hand, you can build literally the same by yourself with a v-mount plate or v-lock mount, a couple of 3/6" rods, railblock, a cheeseplate for the base and some basic lego skills,

[@maconins123]

What were the lenses

[@yuriibondarchuk1042]

CAN I USE BOTH ECOSYSTEMS?

[@yuriibondarchuk1042]

cage from tilta, handle from smallrig

[@OrigEntertainmentOfficial]

Can you put the small rig sun hood on the tilta cage?

[@threefoldtv]

We just tested it and with a little jimmy rigging you can make it work it but doesn't line up very well and doesn't sit flush against the camera... so we wouldn't recommend it

[@OrigEntertainmentOfficial]

@@threefoldtv Thanks for checking and getting back to me. Great video by the way.

[@threefoldtv]

@@OrigEntertainmentOfficial You bet! Thanks for watching!

[@gainsaholiknation9485]

Hi great video can you explain how did you make rig up the battery to the base plate for smallrig bmpcc 4K I want to do the same thank you

[@reomenezes]

@Threefold Great comparison! Can you please share a link to the HDMI cable you have used to connect the monitor to the Tilta 90 degree HDMI adapter? I could not find an HDMI cable of that type on the Tilta site.

[@threefoldtv]

Thanks! Its just one we found on Amazon but has worked well for us so far! tinyurl.com/wpact6c

[@reomenezes]

@@threefoldtv Thank you :)

[@markhudson5825]

Cool and entertaining review! Thanks Guys!

[@jamel-rashadthomas2480]

What monitors are you guys using for your rigs?

[@welovejkl4592]

I'd like to know as well

[@threefoldtv]

Portkeys BM5! Really bright monitors!

[@user-dh5fp4gw1b]

Imo tilta is the best for bmcpc and smallrig is just the overall best

[@TheDenniBoi]

What lenses were you guys using?

[@threefoldtv]

The 2 lens you see on the cameras are the Tokina 11-20 T2.9 and the Sigma 18-35 T2.

[@Sufi_Annoor]

That “record book” looks a lot like my pilot logbook…

[@threefoldtv]

We’re not gonna say Referee Randy makes a lot of sense. But we will say that he’s using a logbook.

[@xinidae]

I have the small rig for the bmpcc4k and something they didn't mention is the t5 mount actually blocks the only cold shoe on the cage and unrelated I have the rubber smallrig handle and it's cold shoe isn't deep enough leading to monitors being able to come off extremely easily, not good but it's inexpensive

[@robrobasmr5757]

Dude on the right looks like Mac Miller RIP

[@threefoldtv]

RIP ♥️

[@laserfliptoboneless]

Why no follow focus

[@threefoldtv]

Guess we've just got used to focusing on the lens! We do use wireless FF for our bigger rigs but maybe we'll have to try out some of those new follow focus units by tilta and smallrig.

[@Burritosarebetterthantacos]

If I could use my rubber small rig handle Id be using a title cage. But I love my rubber handle...reminds me of my old bmx bike.

[@abderraoufezzedine971]

Hi I have Black magic cinema 4k and Fujinon S13x4.6BRM-28 - 1:1.5/4.6-60mm Wide TV Zoom Lens 1/2" and im looking for adapter pleas can you help me wich adapter can i by For m'y Camera Thank you verry match Thank you

[@umevisuals8263]

Okay Mac Miller on my timeline

[@Dub105]

I'd rather use, battery grip by BMD, Top plate for audio, grip, and sun hood for outdoor. For storage, CFast. Keeping it simple and light.

[@davidfrost9415]

but cfast is so expensive...600bucks for 500gigs

[@joelmulder]

The reason you want a rig like this is exactly for the added weight. The heavier the camera, the steadier the shots. Just adding a battery grip would make for a pretty unergonomic package too.

[@alejandrolora4027]

I dit it!!!!!!!Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!! Npf plate.

[@JaspreetSinghArtist]

2:20 😂😂

[@joshuadolstra9482]

Cant u just use the best of both worlds

[@kweeFilms]

The only good camera here is the one that's filming you!

[@just3d552]

Tilta Operator is stoned as f.

[@Nathan.Willan]

Tilta is better

[@allpixphotographyandvideop8010]

Americanssss

[@ROY-pv8so]

thought this was mac miller lol

[@IAmAPivotTrader]

The guy on the left looks like younger version of Hitler.