Smartphones in the EU must use USB-C - let's talk about it.

[@Nielsblog]

While the whole "but less than 1% would use it" argument is already ridiculous on the face of it. But it also isn't in line how Apple designs hardware. Past, current and future Macs, iPads and iPhones are full of advanced technology that only a minority of users take full advantage of. Yet I don''t hear anyone complain about "I would rather not have Thunderbolt on a laptop because almost nobody owns or has the need for an external GPU or harddrive.". Neither do I hear these very same people complain that they shouldn't have bothered putting ProRes support on the iPhone because "less than 1% uses it" or whatever.

[@Mrbiz99]

people that say that still uses Floppy disks...

[@Nielsblog]

@@Mrbiz99 "Who needs more than 1.44 megabytes?"

[@_PatrickO]

The external gpu forums are mostly full of mac users. I use one with an hp x360 spectre since I have been traveling, but mac users dominate any forum on external gpus over thunderbolt by a massive amount. It turns out all that advanced tech in an apple laptop isn't what people want. They want usb-c thunderbolt ports so they can use standard usb-c peripherals. Can you please list some of that advanced technology you were referring to? It certainly isn't a touch screen.

[@WorkinDuck]

Universal Docking with Thunderbolt/USB3.1 is the BEST thing modern laptops has brought us.

[@definingslawek4731]

@@WorkinDuck Universal docking as in having like a dock where monitors and power and external drives and ethernet are hooked up to one and then you just plug it in with 1 thunderbolt?

[@V8VRUte]

I'm a Mechanic. I once had a guy asking me advice about when he changes his oil, if he'd be able to bring the old oil to my shop to dispose of it. Then, a few months later, I was talking about the right to repair fiasco, and he defended Apples practices, telling me that only Apple should be allowed to repair iPhones, that they are Apples products, and no one else is qualified, blah blah blah. I suggested to him, that since Toyota manufactured his car, that only they, or their authorised repairers should be allowed to service his car, since they would be more qualified etc. He actually looked me in the eye, and stated "But that's different, I know what I'm doing" You seriously can't reason with fanboys.

[@nightblade178]

Sounds like an apple fanboy alright

[@TheFourthWinchester]

LMAO. The slavery is real.

[@earthtaurus5515]

@Adam Bielby mostly people don't see beyond their bubble. However, most people will see reason when the pros and cons are explained to them. Whereas with Fanboys they refuse to see beyond their own bubble.

[@burn0u71]

crapple fanboys remind me of flat earthers. you cant reason with them, you cant prove to them anything, you show them the facts right in front of them and they still dont believe you no matter what. snowflake morons man.

[@memesfromdeepspace1075]

He sound like cult member ............hold up

[@neanderthal4499]

I don't think people confused this with right to repair, they just enjoy hearing you tear into Apple! I'm still pissed about no 3.5 audio port, turns out it's NOT for my "convenience" that they removed it!

[@rayray7244]

🤣🤣🤣exactly!!

[@Bri-bn5kt]

Not only did they remove it, they charged you for it. When's the last time you saw phone prices drop or stay the same? They always go up.

[@bertblankenstein3738]

No 3.5mm audio port on Apple products - I don't buy apple products.

[@killertigergaming6762]

Yep

[@TheBooban]

@@bertblankenstein3738 don’t they still have 3.5 for the budget phones?

[@ivarmh]

The EU tasked the industry with figuring out a charing standard years ago and the only company that didn’t join in the end was Apple choosing instead to opt for loopholes and disregard the spirit of the project. Apple is alone the only reason for this legislation. The EU has basically said that if you’re too greedy to cooperate with the rest of the world and figure stuff out on your own then the EU is going to do it for you.

[@189Blake]

One of the subjects we had back when I was studying engineering was "Norms and standardization" and was all about the ISO certifications and stuff needed to operate laboratories and fabrics. And then I understood everything. The reason we have standards is because your product/service/etcetera is meant to be useful al around the world. That's why your phone can pick up Wi-Fi signal in China or in the US, that's why your charger can charge if you plug it in Australia or in Brazil. That's why your sim card can make calls in Mexico or in France. Because ALL COMPANIES in the industry agreed to one standard and one standard only.

[@stijnvdv2]

it's not new for Apple though, my macbook has USB-c ONLY. Very annoying in some area's but I can charge my galaxy S10 with the charging cable of my laptop; ain't that progress? 😂

[@Phazonis]

@LiveFromMars Standardisation is not anti innovation. It shows by the fact that the Standard already was updated from micro USB to USB-C. It is about managing waste and having a smoother economy. With such laws the government doesn't set the standard. It only requires the industry to set a standard. If the industry collectively wants to move on they can.

[@AllenTsuna]

@LiveFromMars The standard being the same is exactly what pushes for innovation.. How? It forces these firms to break through the current standard and create a new one.

[@Phazonis]

@LiveFromMars Well maybe because like the video says this Player is not even using a more advanced Standard, but only wants to push through the own Standard. If it had a better Standard the discussion would be different.

[@alexs.7915]

The EU explicitly said that the law will be reviewed regularly to not hinder any innovation. The point for the future is more that companies should develop commun ports to keep waste to a minimum. The EU actually "recommended" heavily to phone manufacturers to use a commun standard for ports many years ago. Practically all companies switched to Micro USB, then to USB-C. The only reason this new legislation exists is Apple because they refused the standardisation completely. I wouldn't worry about updating the law as USB-C was also immediately accepted as successor to Micro USB.

[@locobob]

But that’s the point. No one wants the government “reviewing” the law regularly. That will never happen fast enough. Never. And it will depend on the staff’s understanding of all possible standards and their subtleties. There will be heavy lobbying as well. People see this is a win, but it’s just a “oh great, now shit hit the fan” solution.

[@alexs.7915]

@@locobob You should only talk for yourself. We Europeans generally love to have such regulations 😉

[@MarcusfotosDe]

Standarisation is not hindering innovation. For example there are a lot of standarts for water instalation in getmany where tap water is considered to be drinkable from the tap so it has to be save. None the less there has been a lot of innovation over the recent years on piping, fitings and so on. Companys need to proof that the new technologies meet the criteria and get approved. I guess that by the time a imaginary usb d comes into development, and the main companys express their wish to adopt it by the time it comes available the eu will approve that on time

[@plasmachicken]

@@locobob This is EU not America get over it

[@yomama9390]

@@alexs.7915 I very much doubt that.

[@LigmaBaldrich]

I fucking died when he was mocking the fanboys getting their rocks off to low transfer speeds

[@rossmanngroup]

They really, actually, defend the very thing that makes the product shittier for the sole purpose of allowing Apple to charge the licensing fees that results in the products they buy for their iPhone being more expensive

[@antanasrapkevicius3897]

@@rossmanngroup as an apple user, i absolutely hate that lightning port.. They always go bust, hard to get replacement ones as most of the aftermarket just wont work due to being 'incompatible' and the original shitty ones are priced like they are made of gold.. i have never transferred HUGE amounts of data, but even updating your pictures or music takes 4ever as the speed is no where near close to 'lightning'.. So kind of glad it will be USB-C, that means i can just borrow any androids charger and such to get some power into my phone...

[@sofiadragon6520]

@@antanasrapkevicius3897 Writer/editor here - there was a clunky scene in a book I was editing where the character was at a friend's home, but had to go across London twice to pick up their charger and return to what they were doing. It was completely unrealistic (with what had happened that day) for any phone to not need charging overnight, and the characters had different brand phones. This was set back in the day where a Blackberry and an iPhone could be used to show something about the character and their job (and it was a mystery.) We debated that scene to kingdom come, but it got left in for realism because there was no way, no matter how much of a pack rat they were. For a guy with a Blackberry to have a working Apple charge cord. That is how deep into the culture this nonsense got.

[@4bytesuserpage]

@@rossmanngroup my mom asked me wtf i was watching lol

[@hippy_flip]

@@rossmanngroup Exactly why I hate any sort of fanboy. It promotes a turning a blind eye just to spread an agenda (which most of the time isn't even helping them). The lack of skepticism in so many of these people is crazy.

[@lynxloco]

To address the "Obsolete" point, the EU directive doesn't actually enshrine USB C into law, it just says that companies together with the USB-IF have to pick a single standard from the USB standard to use together. The EU together with USB-IF helps them to select which. So when USB C becomes obsolete in 2035 companies can switch to a newer standard, they just have to agree with the EU and USB-IF which one.

[@andyH_England]

That is the problem, getting OEMs to agree. Nine years ago if this directive existed then Apple could not have used Lightning and that would have taken the pressure off the rest of the market to push for USB-C. In theory USB-C may not even be around now if Apple did not innovate the market with Lightning. I understand Apple went their own way because no one could agree on a USB-C standard and in the end it was a total mess, and remains a bit ad hoc now. This directive is bad for innovation and those that are slapping themselves on the back because Apple will have to ditch Lightning in two years may regret their fanfare.

[@Lardum]

Yeah but that doesn't make as nice of a headline :) This just telling apple to stop being a special little retard and come to an agreement with everyone else

[@andyH_England]

@@lynxloco It is tantamount as saying that USB-C will be the standard going forward so if as I suggested a pogo type port or even MagSafe data/power port (not wireless) then these need to be standardised as they are not part of the USB-C protocol. It is disappointing as the EU has suddenly become the arbiter of technology implying that USB-C is the future standard? There is zero incentive for inventors to try new charging solutions as they will never get them standardised as they could never recoup their R&D as OEMs would not want to pay for a License. The last 10 years has been a massive leap, who, even the almighty EU can know what will arrive in another 5-10 years? What they have done is maybe reduced potential and I cannot support such knee jerk reactions.

[@andyH_England]

@@lynxloco An example is that Apple is bringing a MagSafe connector (back) to the MacBook Pro line. This will be proprietary, and obviously if Apple wanted to put it on their iPhones they could not as it is not USB-C standardised even if the underlying tech was such, it is the port which is the de facto limiter?

[@lynxloco]

@@andyH_England There would have to be massive benefits anyway if you wanted to move away from USB, so that would never happen regardless. And even if there would be massive benefits the mandate will still be reviewed every few years. So I definitely support this mandate.

[@tokudan]

I think one point is missing from the arguments here. The EU mandated years ago that the companies should stick to one port and all use that port. The EU did not mandate which one it is. Worked pretty well with Mini-USB and Micro-USB and finally USB-C. The ports were upgraded as needed, all was fine... except the one outsider Apple who decided to just ignore the laws. The EU now just got impatient with Apple and decided to no longer wait for Apple to finally join the other vendors after severall years.

[@Elldallan]

What they did back in 2009 wasn't a mandate, it was completely mandatory. But yeah even back then the EU had been talking for years of standardizing charging ports and basically to,d the market in no uncertain terms, "Either you create and follow a unified standard on your own, where you have control over it... Or we will legislate one and everybody will be miserable, we really don't wanna do this but we will if we have to."

[@rhone81]

Apple didn't ignore the law, they just sidestepped it. They offered (for additional money, obviously) a Lightening to USB-C adapter.

[@leonro]

Apple did actually comply back then with the EU, however when it came time to upgrade to micro USB, they chose to go with lightning. They had the excuse of it being better, but nowadays they just can't get anything better than USB-C. That wasn't a mandate though, the EU threatened to get involved if the big phone makers didn't all agree upon a standard connector. They ultimately didn't get involved because they found that the manufacturers mostly followed through with it. They know that this blocks innovation, which is exactly why they gave Apple the chance to adopt the superior standard without making it a law.

[@Elldallan]

@@leonro Yep they technically complied with the letter of the "law"(actually a non-binding Memorandum of Understanding), but not the spirit of it. And the EU wasn't thrilled about it but figured that it was good enough for now. And they've been periodically hinting that this were gonna happen if nothing happened, nothing happened and now they're making good of the threat :P Apple: *surprised pikachu*

[@Bri-bn5kt]

Just the fact that a governmental body out there wants to mandate USB-C makes me want to stop using USB-C. Which pisses me off, because I love it.

[@vovacat1797]

You can hate Micro USB all you want, but it did its job: it became ubiquitous and universal for the first time in gadget history. It is all but obsolete now, but it deserves a big statue.

[@migs7220]

Exactly. I am Super happy to have bought some nice USBC cables for the Office. The way of the Future.

[@Hafiere]

Except for phones, quite a few devices I buy recently still use micro usb for power like my headphones, UV disinfection box, etc. I haven't checked if there are still phones with Micro USB.

[@JMIK1991]

Still got few of those in use.

[@Blacktronics]

@@Hafiere I simply no longer buy devices without type C If it is not USB-C by now I fucking refuse the product, fuck it, it's a shit product. My 3 year old on the road headphones (Aventho Wireless) have USB-C If the device still has Micro USB at this point in time, it's just a shit product they haven't managed to sell in the past few years

[@Hafiere]

@@Blacktronics Depends on where you are I guess. Some markets just haven't made the transition to USB-C widespread yet. I only bought my first device powered by USB-C this year. That's how slow adoption is over here.

[@n7eet]

Apple: USB-C on the ipad mini is 10x faster than the previous connector. Apple should listen to Apple.

[@grey5626]

@n7eet: I think Apple does listen to Apple. The only thing weirder than Apple fanboiz as far as I can observe are anti-Apple hatemongers.

[@rosssutherland3751]

The EU mandate is more to do with chargers being universal to reduce e-waste rather than lightning ports stifling innovation. The idea being the charger for your old phone can be used with your new one, therefore less chargers being thrown out.

[@shawn576]

But chargers ARE universal. The USB wall plug that came with my iphone 4 still works with the Android phone I bought a few months ago. It's slow because it's only 1A, but it does work.

[@AndreaIppolitoIppo]

No. This mandate is literally about the device end of the connection. Another one will follow shortly after focusing on the charger end of the connection. I guess/hope this will mean USB-C to USB-C end to end.

[@AndreaIppolitoIppo]

@The Engineer well consider that manufacturers would have a couple of years to adapt and that this would only apply to new parts, nobody will prevent you to keep using your previous USB A adapter plus A to C cable.

[@_PatrickO]

I bet they add it and purposely use usb 2.0 with a usb-c port so it won't be any faster.

[@TriSamples]

Tbh even lighting cables all end in usb!? I would prefer all phones have a universal charging/data system but I fail to see how a mandate on the phone side is beneficial in any way. I’d rather have right to repair laws that this silly EU rule.

[@KyleGP]

It's crazy that Apple is still using a port that has the transfer rate of USB 2.0 in 2021 and their customers still support that decision.

[@TheBooban]

Have to say I don’t know what the transfer rate is nor do I care. But I love my iPhone.

[@psc698]

Do you think the average user knows the difference? Apple just exploits the lack of knowledge of their customers for their monetary benefits

[@TheNovus7]

@@psc698 most tech companies do that

[@filippogamer2994]

The main reason i support lighting is because i like it more than a usbc plug

[@boppernostopper8598]

@@TheBooban nice fake account

[@vilmarmoccelin]

640KB off RAM to all the fan boys and girls of the world! I support this idea!

[@killertigergaming6762]

Lol

[@dangeroustoaster2688]

They want real apple. Throw in an under clocked gen 1 iPhone processor in their iphone 14 for free.

[@lucifermorningstar4606]

If you need anymore than that, the program you are using is running on hardware it wasn't expecting...

[@1wisestein]

Write it out and get it to the floor so it can be voted on. With laws like these we can make America great again, yes we can!

[@YounesLayachi]

3.5 inch screen is enough No one needs a stylus No one needs a big screen 300 PPI screen density is enough 720p is enough resolution, no one needs high resolution 12 Mpx is enough 2000 mAh is enough

[@jimfrench2001]

This just in, European Commission mandates Louis Rossmann use industry standard lighting and studio props. Commission says decision is necessary to keep people from believing Right To Repair is being run by a tired overload from a cave in Bora Bora. Oh and USB-C on all mobile devices.

[@Fuad_]

It's Tora Bora brother

[@jimfrench2001]

@@Fuad_ The island in Polynesia?... Louis is high class brother. High class. Tora Bora.... Heh...

[@scottlampe70]

tora, tora, tora!

[@RamkrishanYT]

😂😂😂

[@ComputerTechnic217]

Lol bro did you mean Tora Bora?

[@erikandreas4896]

Love how he doesn't hold back when shaming the any of the utter stupidity that goes on in the tech world

[@johnleff7119]

How many Apple employees does it take to change a lightbulb? One to tell you only the Genius Bar is is capable of turning the bulb. A second one to tell you aftermarket bulbs won't work because the socket uses non standard voltages/bulb sizes. A third one to interrogate you when you say you can turn the bulb and replace it yourself. And an engineer speaking at a press conference when a bunch of people complain, who also insists soldered bulbs are better than removable ones.

[@jaypolas4136]

Joeybtoonz does the same thing roasting stupid poeple and narcassists.

[@washburn8932]

It’s not stupidity on the manufacture end they are making money off the inability of consumers to realize they are being blatantly scammed out of money as company’s are setting back and smoking rolls of cash.

[@St0RM33]

Note that USB-C is just a connector standard; you can physically limit it to work only at usb 2.0 speeds/protocol!!!

[@dolsimon]

So apple will be happy too? ;)

[@definingslawek4731]

Most of the android phones I've owned were usb 2.0 usbc's. I wanted a oneplus 7t for a while and I think that one had usb 3.0. Also most cables on amazon and in my house are usb 2. Even the C to C cable that comes with macbook pros is usb 2 (well, it's not technically compliant as it gives as much power delivery as usb 3 but data is usb 2) The only usb 3.0 cables I own are the ones that get packaged in with usb c external hard drives.

[@adamwoosha]

Yeah, so those fanboys that only want USB 2.0 speeds on their USB-C ports can just limit it on their ports on their computers. Leave the rest of us to enjoy not spending the whole day on our computers waiting for the ProRes Christmas video to transfer and instead opening presents with the kiddos lmao.

[@maxcurzi]

this!

[@happytrix6167]

i wish people just went with the latest if we dont count usb4 just go with usb 3.2 gen 2 please lol

[@brickmack]

AIUI, this legislation doesn't actually say USB-C, it just points to an external standards document with approved ports. So updating to USB-D or whatever will not require new legislation, just an updated technical standard by some industry committee

[@MrDecelles]

Some industry committee…………… lol Apple will innovate but changing often that cable is bad… this is why apple is stuck with the lightning.

[@abitofabitofabit4404]

@@MrDecelles USB was created by an industry committee, which is more than you've ever done.

[@MrMaThaMi]

​@@MrDecelles Dude, when is the last time usb standard update? 2019. And when is the Type-C connector introduced? 2014. The spec of the connector are designed to innovate!

[@Robert-cu9bm]

The EU never moves fast. They wanted this when micro was the standard. Everyone would be stuck with that.

[@laundmo]

@@Robert-cu9bm The EU basically made micro-USB the standard, there was a agreement in 2009 that said manifacturers need to use mirco-USB, at least for a certain amount of time. before that, every phone had its own charging port. This agreement however, stated that adaptors are okay, which is the reason apple was able to stick with their proprietary shit, by offering a usb adaptor. This current legislation is expanding on that, switching over to USB-C. Clearly, the prior agreement which basically only differed in the fact that it allowed adaptors did not hinder the adoption of USB-C, so im not too worried about the EU being slow on a potential new standard.

[@connmatthewk]

I imagine Apple's response will be to remove all ports from the phone and you only have wireless charging and data transfer.

[@YounesLayachi]

No data transfer, not in Bluetooth, not in wifi, not in nfc , no nothing

[@RobKMusic]

This is where it’s going. I thought this was common knowledge. They want to force you into the cloud which you’ll also pay for with a smile on your face.

[@teemulatvanen1245]

No.. No.. First Apple removes all ports and then they make you buy TWO accessories, one for charging, the other for data transfer. They are sold separately for the low low price of your soul and a kidney.

[@connmatthewk]

@@teemulatvanen1245 it will require iAir to carry the wireless iData and iPower.

[@teemulatvanen1245]

@@connmatthewk Don't give their marketing department any tips! Also, Apple would probably lock / disable your iPhone if you tried to charge it with a non-OEM wireless charger.

[@LightPink]

Third party accessory manufacturers finally won't have to make two versions of the same product

[@tomatopotato4229]

They also won't have to pay the licensing fees which will just save the consumer money.

[@Mr.DontKnow]

@@tomatopotato4229 That is the reason why Apple is still up there. They basically force revenue. Have you heard about the Epic Games lawsuit? The only reason why Apple is surviving is because they expect a cut from everyone. They should be very worried now! They suck they deserve to fail!

[@thatguyalex2835]

Ahh, the joys of Apple. I prefer the fruit, so I don't have to switch dongles when I use (eat) it. :) I went to an orchard today and had caramel coated apples. They were quite delicious.

[@willbellamy590]

@@thatguyalex2835 😂

[@SaretGnasoh]

@@Mr.DontKnow you want sell something at Walmart, you should pay Walmart. Here a logic for you.

[@prhasn]

10:50 The EU has a very good track record of updating these standards whenever new technology arrives. They where the ones who mandated micro-USB at a time when each device had a different port altogether.

[@thothheartmaat2833]

this one time someone handed me a charge cable with like 6 different ends on it but it didnt have usb c so i couldnt charge my phone

[@DSP16569]

@@thothheartmaat2833 My Camera (uses USB-C to charge Battery) was delivered with a USB-A (Charger/PC) to USB-C (Camera) cable - will be slow because USB-3.1 only delivers approx a 500mA - 1A at 5V (from PC) but it works.

[@0LoneTech]

IIRC, EU only adopted the micro-USB requirement after China did. And Apple was given carte blanche to produce even more e-waste by just bundling an adapter for people to lose.

[@0LoneTech]

@@DSP16569 USB-3.1 actually allows 900mA, 500mA is from earlier versions. But you should perhaps look at the Battery Charging specification instead, which permits 1.5A.

[@UltraCasualPenguin]

@@DSP16569 It's enough to power NVMe drive in Arion enclosure connected to my Series X. Do I wish I could connect it with USB-C to USB-C cable? Yes, but it works just fine.

[@hehe3301]

"If if has a port is must be USB-C" Apple: "..." Apple: *Invents a proprietary wireless charging protocol*

[@tommeleyn]

Bad news for proprietary wireless. This is also in new law. It must support fast wireless charging with the Open standard. So no more 7W charging if its not certified by Apple instead of 15W.

[@zdanee]

Apple will include an USB-C to Lighning dongle in the box and call it a day. Actually no, they'll also increase the price of a phone by €30 just purely out of spite and tell everyone it's the cost of the dongle.

[@ABaumstumpf]

@@tommeleyn "Bad news for proprietary wireless. This is also in new law. It must support fast wireless charging with the Open standard." Why are you making shit up? "2. Hand-held mobile phones, tablets, digital cameras, headphones, headsets, handheld videogame consoles and portable speakers, in so far as they are capable of being recharged via wired charging at voltages higher than 5 volts or currents higher than 3 amperes or powers higher than 15 watts, shall: " There is NOTHING about wireless-charging.

[@zat-svi-ua]

they kinda already did with magsafe

[@framegrace1]

@@zdanee I don't think that will cut it this time. The rule forces "end-to-end" USB-C, no adaptors allowed.

[@sawyer4981]

Louis: "This has nothing to do with right to repair" Apple: "hold my beer" *bricks all devices that have ports replaced by 3rd party repair services*

[@ScrewYoutubeAndYourAutoNames]

Don't need to do that. Just need to brick all devices that used a 3rd party cable (They've bricked their own cables before in order to brick 3rd party cables).

[@robbojr11]

Yep will create some arbritrary weird design that is for their mainboard only. Then add some special data that requires the charger to pass a serial number to the phone to charge it.

[@robbojr11]

Then tell the makers to only sell to them boom back to same as before

[@sawyer4981]

@@robbojr11 yep, I will be genuinely surprised if apple doesn't spin this to their advantage. Whether that be apple approved charges, cables or device components.

[@DevinDTV]

you missed the point. louis is saying he doesn't care which type of port they use, as long as they DON'T brick your phone for replacing it (and do make the part available for replacement etc)

[@6400ab]

Apple will most likely just remove the port all together before ever adding a USB C port.

[@lydellb]

Yep.

[@gubx42]

I hope that the EU won't accept that. The big reason for standardizing the charging port is to reduce waste. It is not to add another type of charger (wireless) that is nonstandard and energy inefficient.

[@6400ab]

@@gubx42 The EU is about 3-4 years late on this. It's not going to make a difference. Apple doesn't care what the EU says or does because Apple is 10 steps ahead of them. Apple has their own road map in place for what will make them the most money. Port-less/wireless only iPhones are almost certain at this point.

[@gubx42]

@@6400ab Apple has to care because if they want to sell in EU countries, they have to abide by the laws of that country. EU countries can even say "fuck you Apple" like the US said "fuck you Huawei". But of course, it won't happen like that. Apple is probably going to find a loophole, maybe bundling a cheap adapter or pay some small tax/fine.

[@6400ab]

@@gubx42 "But of course, it won't happen like that. Apple is probably going to find a loophole, maybe bundling a cheap adapter or pay some small tax/fine." bingo, meanwhile the next port-less iPhone will be the best most courageous iPhone ever.

[@KabukeeJo]

Silly Rossman. Nobody needs anything faster because the human eye can't even see 480mps.

[@brimster-valorantaggressiv3419]

???? Yes they can when u see the transfer speed in Windows??? U are the silly one

[@skinnythanos6875]

@@brimster-valorantaggressiv3419 r/woooshhh..

[@prasadkadu9737]

@@brimster-valorantaggressiv3419 he probably doesn't have a laptop or computer. So he doesn't know or will never know.

[@brimster-valorantaggressiv3419]

@@prasadkadu9737 I don't need a laptop, I can see utube videos about it lmaoooooooooooo

[@prasadkadu9737]

@@brimster-valorantaggressiv3419 u can't take the real feel from the video . Until u urself try to transfer some heavy files like battlefield or GTA 5.. so u need a laptop or computer .. u never know until u use it urself... If you just use phone u don't need it , or will never need it.

[@mouse2542]

saying "I hope I'm smart enough to edit this out of the video" with a big smile on your face, you knew right then and there it wasn't gonna happen

[@humanbass]

The thing is: Apple helped to develop the type c standard, they use on the iPad and Mac. So they don't have any excuses about type c being something alien to them.

[@Validole]

Just as a note from this side of the Pond: The EU Commission said 'We recommend the industry standardise on a single charging port, Micro-USB seems like it's a good candidate" way back when. AFAIK they didn't fuss about the USB-C transition. Now, 10 or so years later they finally went "Hey, kids, come here. Look, we waited 10 years for you to agree on something yourselves. Mostly, you've done good. Except you, Apple. So, now the rest get legislated, because of you. Apple. And you get legislated too."

[@Benjamin1986980]

Except on what justification are they making this? This isn't like a general power outlet which isn't easily convertible and actually risks fire if done poorly. We are talking $5 cables. What gives the government the right to make this demand?

[@martinjohnston1907]

This assumes facts not in evidence. The is no reason to believe that government is ever the adults in any room. They are just as bad as everyone else about being juvenile, stupid or greedy. They do however get to pretend that they care about the welfare of the rest of us.

[@MrSam1804]

Many companies, incllding Apple, signed this legistation. And in a way enforced it.

[@seanthiar]

@@Benjamin1986980 Protection of environment - that is what them gives the right to demand this. Without a standard the amount of garbage that you can't use anymore when buying a new item (phone, tablet etc.) because the connectors doesn't fit anymore is enormous. BTW only in the US the iphone is the most used phone with over 53%. The rest of the world use most of the time other phones. The Apple iphone is only used by 12-20% on average.

[@johnnyzg]

I see this as EU push via media to force Apple to change port. It would take years for each EU country to put this in local legislation so I think it is not likely to happen. EU can mandate local governments to change laws and impose penalties if they don't, but usually there is a transition period lasting several years before they start with penalties. Apple will probably implement USB-C in next iPhone and promote higher transfer speed in keynote. Also it will probably be proprietary and only Apple made cables could be used with iPhones.

[@mousermind]

Apple will probably counter with removing the charging port entirely, like they do with everything useful.

[@thothheartmaat2833]

thats not even unreasonable.. everything is wireless now..

[@DSP16569]

@@thothheartmaat2833 No it isn't. Maybe in the US where approx 90% uses iPhones but not in Europe where Android is the King.

[@jimmypatton4982]

Absolutely love this one, totally something Apple would do, thankfully they still can be wirelessly charged from most wireless chargers.

[@briannem.6787]

That law did say "excluding devices that exclusively use wireless charging"...

[@briannem.6787]

@@thothheartmaat2833 I wouldn't say everything... nothing I own is. From what I see around me, only some really fancy shit has wireless charging. Working-class products don't get induction chargers.

[@shadowdm0078]

This decision by the EU also supports being "environmentally friendly". Funny how Apple removes the charging bricks from the box but don't want to change the ports on their iPhones which A LOT of people use .

[@MrShitthead]

Personally I could care less about the charging bricks because I've got several and they're actually really cheap. What pisses me off is not being able to replace your batteries, screens, and disallowing sd cards. BUT their macs... holy fucking shit... - soldering ram and making it impossible to change/upgrade yourself - soldering storage, making it impossible to change/upgrade - trolling customers by releasing a mac with swappable storage, but making it insanely risky and difficult to reach while making ram soldered in - trolling even more and responding to customer feedback by doing the same thing but swapping ram and storage Basically, their whole philosophy on tech is that they want you to throw out your entire device and buy a new one the second something goes wrong. For any PC it NEEDS to be illegal to at least not have swappable storage. There's no reason for soldering storage to the mb, and considering that it's usually the first thing to go, it's absolutely terrible that they do this.

[@shadowdm0078]

@@MrShitthead I agree. I couldn't care less about the charging bricks but all I am saying is that they are full of shit and I hate that those fan boys are following apple blindly and getting amazed when they remove things from phones and macbooks. Apple should be a leader in the industry however all they do is copy other companys stuff and put a fancy name next to it(in terms of phones) but don't get me started on macbooks because holy shit they REALLY want you to throw away your device for the new one they released, at least give us the BASIC upgradability like RAM and Storage...it's all about money anyway...

[@spencerm8066]

@@MrShitthead For real. I wish I had known about their practices with soldering the storage before purchasing the mac mini. While the computer runs fantastic, especially for such a compact device, the lack of repairability is insane. Nobody does this, not even for laptops. Soldering a freaking ssd makes zero sense for the consumer or the environment they proclaim to love.

[@Robert-cu9bm]

Yeah, the EU all about being environmentally friendly. The same EU that trucks the entire parliament (including all paperwork) to one side of the EU and back every month.

[@arthol51]

@@MrShitthead you mean you could NOT care less... Saying you could care less implies you do actually care.

[@jlebrech]

USB-to-cloaca. Now that's some backwards compatibility.

[@obiwankenobi661]

underrated joke

[@theprogrammer1]

Just FYI USB-C doesn't actually dictate the USB protocol that you use. In fact many devices with USB-C ports work with the USB 2.0 protocol and are indeed limited to 480 Mbps.

[@marcellkovacs5452]

Which is the biggest issue with USB-C. It's just a port, and everything else is specified using cryptic standards that most people just don't understand.

[@JayVal90]

I think it would be hilarious if Apple did this. Made a USB 2.0 Type C.

[@maximiliandeisz2961]

@@JayVal90 most phones actually have this because everyone does it and most people don't care

[@Leon-ks1bf]

One thing has been thought of, and that is that the legislation mentions a unified fast charging protocol, USB-PD. This already removes some of the headache, now indeed only data transfer is free for all to choose.

[@DGao-zz5vq]

@@JayVal90 they’d probably make a port less phone and ship it with a magnetic Qi charging puck with a type C port.

[@7tonsofsalt865]

the usb c standard enforcement is primarily to reduce waste, not to force apple to ditch lighting anyways as far as i know there is also something in there that enforces compatibility in chargers

[@Paxmax]

Louis: ..the parallell port, the cloaca..." Me: Ah, yeah, that old dinosaur port, literally for the birds!"

[@jerubaal101]

That feature is just for the Lizard-people.

[@sb5838]

I got the whole cloaca thing; was thinking alligator, but needed you to to wordsmith it in your turn of phrase. Well done,. Very clever.

[@Paxmax]

@@sb5838 Thank you very much 😃 while I'm fairly science oriented guy, so I know exactly where I learned all the individual parts for the dad-joke I am however utterly clueless how my brain finds and stitches all shzz together into something coherent. (Normally I'm Swedish)

[@SimonJM]

Wasn't just me, then? :)

[@zivens.2407]

I'm glad someone else noticed!

[@shid007]

I don'ŧ think it's about data transfer at all ... it's about not having a ton of chargers/cables to charge your devices. USB-C can happily only have USB 2.0 in it and 5V/500mA - point is you plug it in and it will (at least somehow) charge the thing. If one oversimplifies it USB-C is just the connector type which can have many protocols running through it USB 2.0 - USB 4.0, USB-PD, audio, alternate modes like displayport, thunderbolt or hdmi ... Just because a device has usbc on it doesn't mean it supports all of them, hence it's perfectly possible to see iPhone with usbc and only usb 2.0 in it :D Wouldn't that be funny :D

[@LowJSamuel]

I hope Apple implements the USB-C connector, but changes which pins are power and doesn't even implement data transfer. Now that would be gold. Particularly if they do it in such a way that using an Apple charger on any other device fries it, but not vise versa.

[@Marvin_R]

@@LowJSamuel wouldn't be allowed. this law also requires support for USB-PD charging, if they'd flip lines in the cable it would make it non-compliant and against the rules.

[@bladee_enjoyer540]

@@LowJSamuel you mean like Nintendo?

[@Elldallan]

@@LowJSamuel If they want multibillion fines then yeah that's exactly what they should do. Because the EU Commission is going to come down on them like one planet hitting another if they try to do that.

[@NavidIsANoob]

EU commissions are thankfully one of the few tools still available to fuck over global-spanning corporations.

[@KianBrose]

"The problem is when money disrupts innovation" *Laughs in healthcare*

[@innocentbystander3317]

Dont even get started on the right to repair ones own body how they see fit, not when our bodies are once again seemingly owned by healthcare corporations and the government.

[@euphrates5625]

​@@innocentbystander3317 human health, lives and public health are not comparable to consumer electronics in any way

[@Prestiged_peck]

@@euphrates5625 the fact that we lost freedom over our own bodies before we lost freedom over our machinery is depressing.

[@innocentbystander3317]

@@euphrates5625 You would think so, but apparently we have more right to our electronics than we do over our very form and being. What does that make us?

[@kenz2756]

@@innocentbystander3317 Are you american?

[@pjakobs]

The EU has, in the past, mandated micro USB and left the route open for USB-C. Afaik, Apple complied by shipping a micro to lightning dongle.

[@JayOhm]

EU: "Gotta use USB-C if you're gonna have a port in the device." Apple: "Wires are so last century anyway."

[@anthonytom6679]

Another way they’ll show how much they care about the environment b/c who needs 95%+ charging efficiency when you can get 15%!

[@Kinkajou643]

I wouldn't be surprised...

[@JayOhm]

@@anthonytom6679 To be fair, wireless phone charger efficiency is typically closer to 65%, which is about 50% overhead compared to 95% efficiency of wired charging. Apple's newest magsafe wireless charger is more like 75% efficiency thanks to coil alignment, or about 25% overhead compared to wired. Granted, they could instead have put a few large flush stainless contacts under that magnet, optionally shaped like an apple, but hey, 25% overhead isn't that bad! Personal cars waste much, much more compared to mass transit.

[@tis_ace]

@@JayOhm that is a good point, still doesnt make sense to make a portless device as if the radios get damaged, you and your data are fucked, atleast you can recover your data with iTunes if you have a port

[@JayOhm]

@@tis_ace Well, yes and no. On most phones data in internal storage is F*ed anyway if it dies, especially if encrypted. In most cases all you can do is repair the phone just enough for it to boot and allow data access, then send it straight to trash when done. Wireless can be harder to fix than wired, but it is also harder to kill, though multiple options never hurt.

[@alienteknology5390]

Well as long as they don't adopt USB-D. That's the worst pain ever.

[@adriaanadriaan123]

You just have to use the proper preparation and sometimes some lubricant. Just be sure to protect yourself though

[@Sollace]

I had to look up USB-D. Well played, sir. 😂

[@sergiomissaglia6380]

"You don't need more than 38 mbps" Apple Forum: Backup is to slow 😭 In my opinion they are doing so to force you to pay iCloud; No cable, super fast wifi or 5G.

[@MrDlinch]

You don’t need cable to make local backups of iPhone(whoever needs it anyway)

[@sergiomissaglia6380]

@@MrDlinch that's a good excuse

[@Bourinos02]

Ding ding, that's exactly the only reason Apple keeps using this ancient port where they can get money from all accessories instead of a standard that can be charged by anything.

[@baileyharrison1030]

@@MrDlinch Anyone who doesn’t want to pay for iCloud uses local backups

[@lbenitto]

In all honesty, The EU gave the Cellphones producers enough time to find a common solution for charging ports and just use the same plug, but the companies for many years didn't work with eachother and wasted everyones time. The EU just took the next step to force the companies to work in favour of the consumers. As far as I know, as someone who lives in Europe, the law will be made flexible for the future and will be automatically updated if a new technology were to replace the new one.

[@5000okok]

In favour of customers who still buy apple products. The EU now effectively stopped any competition and innovation on the plug market, by just forbidding everything but one charger. And the fact that they will update their legislation, doesn't make it much better. Like yes the Soviet Union also updated it's 5year plan.

[@user-sf9gs2pg1b]

@@5000okok If a better plug comes around, let the EU know and they’ll take care of it. It’s really not that crazy.

[@thomasperkins5345]

"USB-C" is just the shape of the connector, the speed is determined by the USB standard you are using (USB-2, USB-3, USB-3.1). So if they really want lower speeds they can do that with USB-C as well, just saying... USB-C really is for everyone!!!

[@noahluppe]

aren'T 3.0 and 3.1 renamed to 3.2 gen 1 and 3.2 gen 2? or sth like that?

[@GeorgeU55]

@@noahluppe I think they renamed them once again after that and it became USB 3.2; 3.2 superspeed and 3.2 superspeed + or something like that. I dunno they legit f'ed the names. It couldn't be just 3.0; 3.1 and 3.2. Instead they did 3.1 gen 1 and 3.1 gen 2 and then rename them once again

[@ShahZahid]

on top of it usb c can output ethernet, display, hdmi, etc etc and the amount of data protocols wnd charge delivery protocols it supports is amazing

[@overweightactor]

Plot twist: USB C was invented by Lewis Rossman, Louis's mirror universe doppelganger.

[@curly7985]

Perhaps Ross Louismann

[@BastardOfTheNorth]

Luis Mannrose

[@marcoconuts]

Ross Luisman

[@starkfuture1057]

And Louis lobbied the EU to make everyone use his IP and pay him for it.

[@Nelson-rw2yd]

Micro USB was invented by Walouis Rossman, a goatie wearing evil clone advocating the right to destroy.

[@josiahkaiser7673]

Louis 2021: “ I hope I’m smart enough to edit that out” 😂😂😂

[@theMixElite]

Yes, waiting for phone with XLR port

[@Vixtron]

I want balanced 4.4mm pentaconn ports

[@ForboJack]

The EU basically made the old USB port standard years ago and now they do it again (with some fixes to things that didn't work last time) with the new USB Standard. So there already is an example on how the EU goes with the time in these kind of things. I'm pretty confident they will do it again in a couple of years with the next standard if necessary.

[@ABaumstumpf]

"The EU basically made the old USB port standard years ago" They didn't.

[@johnmknox]

You place to much faith in the EU. The EU invented the SCART socket. It was designed by a European bureaucrat. They should stay out of the free market and allow companies to innovate their own products. The EU doesn't know better than Apple what is right for their products. They didn't create this $2.34tn company and have no clue about business and the real world.

[@terabbs]

@@johnmknox BS the European union wasn't even around back then it was only EEC the predecessor and at that time they didn't do that sort of work .

[@iftakharalam99]

@@johnmknox the thing that you said they have no idea about business and the real world is the true patriotic american and apple fan-boi thing and nobody is forcing apple to sell their products in EU if they can't accept.

[@RealRatchet]

@@johnmknox you have no argument.

[@katiepersons6575]

It will also lower Ewaste. I've seen the pic of a guy with like a dozen different proprietary chargers on one hand and a single USB C on the other.

[@framegrace1]

That;s the purpose of the law. USB-C is just what companies have agreed to use, the rule doesn't really force any standard. It just say that it has to be one. The other part of the rule is that devices must be available without bundled charger.

[@Lutz64]

"the teeth rip everything out" idk, it doesn't fit in the wrong way. It was pretty cool back in 2007 when everything started coming in micro usb.

[@aleks138]

Im about 50/50 on micro usb Some devices still use it because it's thinner

[@wojciechdebowski5014]

My friend, a forklift serviceman, told me about some dude who inserted EC80 connector (look it up) wrong way and burned down a pallet truck. My point: If it doesn't fit, it does NOT mean that it doesn't go in. In connector world you don't have to be Jedi to use Force xD

[@DevinDTV]

@@wojciechdebowski5014 ec80 connector honestly looks easier to force in the wrong way than a microusb. looks like the plastic could flex out of the way and allow a coupling. microusb's entire body profile is asymmetrical. i actually can't imagine how someone could accidentally put it in the wrong way lol

[@Right-Is-Right]

@@wojciechdebowski5014 Sounds like a stupidly designed charging circuit, no diode to stop reversing the polarity. Relied on the connector type as the "protection" and forgot some forklift drivers are gorillas.

[@markkocsicska2590]

Yeah. Up to this day I feel like it was a blessing regardless of the port quality that no longer I had to hunt for replacement chargers for my devices, just pick up one at the local store.

[@FlyingRhino]

Legislation says it will be reviewed 2 years after implementation and every 5 years thereafter. Also with a large intent being to reduce e-waste you don't want to keep changing the standard any quicker than that.

[@honordevs]

I wouldn't be surprised if apple decided they didn't want a charging port and just went full wireless charging--then sold those separately.

[@alihorda]

they made magsafe for a reason

[@RemziCavdar]

The EU also thought about that. I think a common wireless charging like Qi is mentioned in the EU directive. They have experience with Apple, so this time they nailed everything down.

[@honordevs]

@@RemziCavdar That's great, I had no idea. Thanks for this comment; hope the bill passes and paves way for the same in America.

[@vitorgoncalves7527]

I belive they cant... With ProRes how do people transfer their footage? No wireless tech can trully replace a cable.

[@astranger448]

And then they don't get a CE label and can't sell in the EU, or have to have all the logistics that come with having 2 product lines for the same product. The EU is a big market...

[@kwcnasa]

Why no one talk about the physical design of the lighting cable? The copper pin is placed on the outside which make it more easy to get dirty and connection problems when the copper pin get scratched compared to other USB types.

[@szurketaltos2693]

On the other hand it's easier to clean lint out of the lightning port. That's the only benefit vs USBC I can think of

[@DeathBringer769]

I don't think people are confusing this with a Right to Repair issue. I think people just like hearing your take on things Louis, especially in the tech world, especially especially if it involves tearing Apple a new one, yet again, lol ;)

[@tkelly6121]

yea dis

[@hadorstapa]

For me, the confluence of right-to-repair and universal charging standards is that the Apple opposition to both is about money flowing into their bank accounts.

[@YounesLayachi]

3:10 Louis just ruined my trust to crank out the volume during his videos so everybody in the room can hear his inspirational speech. I'm glad I lived to see this

[@thatguyalex2835]

Good one bro. :) I guess Louis was mimicking someone who makes Apple banana smoothie when they get their new iPhone. Lol...

[@lynxloco]

The European Union will review this mandate every few years, and let's be honest, how many times do you get a new physical connector?

[@wout4yt]

And the real decisions are done by expert groups + the EU isn't the gerontocracy that the US is.

[@lynxloco]

@@wout4yt Yeah indeed

[@sadev101]

the problem is when a new port comes into existens in a lab. no company can immplement it as its not standard in eu. you need a company to first implement it before it becomes standard

[@lynxloco]

@@sadev101 There would have to be extremely good reasons to move away from USB, so I don't think that will ever be an issue. Even if it would be, the mandate could be revised.

[@jaketus]

@@sadev101 If the port is licensed out, seen to be better than anything that came before, why wouldn't the companies propose it to the EU as the new common standard?

[@noelienoelie8425]

I remember the old days, everything had different charging ports. Even between the same models. Ridiculous

[@xelaxander]

Even the headset connectors were proprietary.

[@apersonontheinternet8006]

I still have a Rubbermaid container in the basement full of all the old cell phone chargers and stuff. I've kept them thinking you'd never know when you might need one of these but it's been years since I last needed something out of it. Guess I know what I'm doing today.

[@Bri-bn5kt]

Not Nokia!! They were the best.

[@MNRHayes1]

I know company still works way. Fitbit!!! It is annoying as hell.

[@noelienoelie8425]

@@apersonontheinternet8006 Hahaha same. I used one of the old Siemens chargers for years because it fit my shaver.

[@mattlandry22]

1: Micro usb doesn't require THAT much force to plug in 2: I've never been able to put a micro usb cable in backwards. it won't go in that way, at least not for me 3: I LIKE the friction and little teeth. It keeps the cable secure and in place

[@sethgreen1168]

You must be god then. I can’t tell you how many Micro-USB cables I’ve broken that only lasted me 6 months.

[@rizizum]

@@sethgreen1168 I've used Micro-USBs my entire life and I'm still using them, I've never been able to plug them backwards nor have broken one by trying that

[@liuxh3516]

micro-usb sucks. Period.

[@peglor]

Same here, I've been using micro USB for a long time and neither I or anyone else I know of has ever even mentioned this happening to them. The crime was making the original USB plug a rectangle but requiring it to be oriented only one way to work.

[@dragosradoi7442]

Yeah the complaints were confusing to say the least.

[@Jamesaepp]

I think a lot of people are actually mis-representing this legislation. (Note: I'm not 100% positive on the inner workings myself). My understanding was that the legislation said that the charge/data port must be an open standard. USB-C would fit the bill. So USB-C isn't the mandated component, they are instead regulating a principal, so you should be happy to hear that.

[@Jamesaepp]

​@@Koniiiik Thanks for clarifying.

[@djashley2002]

@@Koniiiik that's mainly because the USB-C port has a known roadmap that should take it to around 2040. It's all about cutting down the amount of e-waste caused by multiplying number of chargers you seem to need, although as charging speeds seem to be increasing rapidly (the new Xiaomi phone can handle 120W charging) it may be a while before a true benefit is seen.

[@-DeScruff]

Correct, the legislation wants all companies to agree and use a single type of port/protocall/exc. It does not demand USB-C, and it is written so that in the future if a USB-Micro-C, or USB-D connector is developed there can be a transition to it. - Like how Micro-B has for the most part been phased out and C has taken over. This has been an initiative I recall since pre-smartphones, back when every phone had their own stupid connector, and it was a godsend when someone used USB-Mini B.

[@SweatyFeetGirl]

@@djashley2002 theres a xiaomi phonewith 200W charge alrdy

[@DrTheRich]

@@Koniiiik freedom from authoritarian non-democratic meta-governments shouldn't have to be justified. But people don't care about authoritarianism when its convenient... Until it's not..

[@cronostrigger6401]

i was in cellphone repair business, we fixed many micro ports back in the day, the tech behind micro was terrible. USB C is superior, goes in wither way and its sturdy in design. all these companies have done great damage designing proprietary plug-in technologies that have come and gone back to the Nokia days. one standard plug in tech is necessary for all devices from cellphones to laptops

[@porkypine602]

Micro USB was so ass I switched to iPhone for a while until USB c became popular

[@AntonioCunningham]

That's the opposite of my experience. I *never* had any issue with USB on a phone until Type C because a thing. Now the port won't last 18 month's. I can't wait until something...anything replace Type C.

[@hithere7382]

@@AntonioCunningham This is FUD. I've had type c connectors for years and none have failed yet. Quit being such a ham-fisted tyro.

[@AntonioCunningham]

@@hithere7382 Out of Six phones, five of their Type C ports have failed. With the LG G5, I was able two switch the port twice before I got a new phone. That's Seven out of Eight ports failing. I had no such problems with micro USB on phones. Not one has failed on me

[@cronostrigger6401]

@@AntonioCunningham I repaired the G5 before, the design of the phone it self is to blame because the port has little base support.

[@killertigergaming6762]

I don't think people are confused about right to repair they just know that you don't like apple and are curious of what you thought of it

[@millicentduke6652]

Interestingly, the “shoots gas out faster than any other” scenario IS playing out in EVs, and we have still standardised on CCS including in the EU.

[@ceferistul05]

we will probably see the “courageous” decision of a portless device with the next iteration of the iphone

[@madsouris]

that's when you go to genius bar every time you need to restore your iphone with itune 😂

[@moisesrosario9716]

and will be the part that will fail most constantly.

[@Vidgmchtr]

"Cloaca" as an example of a mobile device connection had me giggling for a good minute.

[@langdons2848]

I couldn't believe my luck when I finally bought an iPad and discovered that it had a USB-C port. It was nice to be able to just reuse all the chargers from my dead laptop and not have to carry a special charger just for the iPad.

[@thomask5965]

I had all of my devices on USB-C until I realized that I vastly prefer using iOS on my mobile device (just personal preference), and switched back to an iPhone. Now I have to carry two cables again 🤮

[@skepticalmechanic]

U don’t need a special charger for iPad… just use the charger to charge the iPad and a cable from lighting to usbc with the iPad charger… what’s the big deal

[@langdons2848]

@@thomask5965 a friend once said to me that the secret to a happy life is standardisation and colour coding and I have to agree. I hate having multiple chargers and cables. I have mine down to USB-C, micro usb, and usb 3.1 (for my cameras, phone, external drives, and ipad). And it's still waaaay more than I'd like.

[@langdons2848]

@@skepticalmechanic I already have a bunch of high powered USB-C chargers that I had for my old laptop that live permanently in various places I work. So it was nice to be able to reuse them rather than have to replace them with wall warts and new cables etc etc. Less waste. Less hassle. I love standardisation.

[@skepticalmechanic]

@@langdons2848 standardization stifles innovation…

[@ivizaxyo]

+Europe: All electronics must have a USB-C port - Apple: Portless iPhone with lower Data transfer speeds for Europe.

[@zedtrek]

We can buy alternatives, definitely not the problem.

[@crazyloopster]

I'm from the Netherlands (Europe) and I only know of 1 or 2 persons that own an IPhone. ( I know more than 10 people : )

[@this_time_imperfect]

I feel like Apple is just going to go completely port-less. They'll find a way around the law by saying it's not necessary with wireless charging and AirDrop.

[@marcellachine5718]

They were planning on doing just that for almost 2 years now.

[@Elldallan]

The EU mandate hasn't been written yet but that would likely violate the mandate. As the statements so far indicate that you're supposed to be able to take any compliant USB-C charger and charge your device, so Apple can't opt-out of having an USB-C port on their devices.

[@Bri-bn5kt]

I can see this happening. And it won't work on any wireless charger but a crApple-licensed charger.

[@porkypine602]

@@Bri-bn5kt they'll probably cripple the speed if u use a non apple certified charger like they do with their wireless chargers now

[@Mr.DontKnow]

Apple sucks!

[@tylerwelsh7598]

Knowing Apple, they're finally going to implement USB-C and use a USB 2 controller on the board. Cheaper phones that have USB-C already do this, which is acceptable because they're cheap, but when it's valued at over a thousand dollars, it should have at least 5Gb/s if not the full 10Gb/s that USB 3 can achieve.

[@FOREST10PL]

Make it 3.2 gen 2x2 so it can reach 20 Gb/s.

[@ShahZahid]

@@FOREST10PL but ufs storage isnt that fast so no point in that

[@derekteter982]

I mean it just seems like when OBD2 became standardized hard to say that's a bad thing.

[@alexlacey9808]

But even to this day obd2 is required to be in vehicles but it isn’t required to be connected to all modules in the vehicle. Companies like BMW and Mercedes in europe still use proprietary plugs.

[@LowJSamuel]

OBD2 is about emissions control primarily, not an attempt to benefit consumers by making their cars easier to diagnose and fix like some people think, that's just a nice side effect. Even OBD2 stifles some innovation some, but there is enough space in a car for a manufacturer to easily implement a more innovative on board diagnostic and keep OBD2 separate, or build on top of. Many manufacturers have done exactly this. With a smart phone, that doesn't work. If a company wants to try to innovate, maybe they came up with a better port and want to implement it into their consumer phones, they have to ALSO have a USB-C port, which isn't always practical if you're going for a small form factor. Now a more innovative port, even if objectively better, has to get the approval of the government to change the standard, or it may never even see the light of day because manufacturers stop R&D into port design. Standards like this are created by people who naively believe that something is the best it could ever be because they themselves cannot dream up a way to do it better.

[@simmerke1111]

@@LowJSamuel Standards aren't eternal. Nobody thinks or claims that. Standards make things more accessible and easier to understand. The internet is built on standards, yet improvements are still being made. Also the port doesn't make a difference. USB-C is still compatible with USB-2 through UBS-4 protocols. Which are funnily enough also standardized. When new improvements are made, USB-C will likely be able to facilitate it. It's only the port, not the protocol behind it. Once new improvements require a change to the port, it's common for it to be backwards compatible. They could've made USB-4 ports look the same and work with the classic USB-2, the change was long overdue though. And it wasn't due to restrictions making it impossible to be backwards compatible. It was simply a good change needing to happen to make it more user friendly and durable. Apple can continue to run their USB-2 protocol equivalent, even with a USB-C connector.

[@abitofabitofabit4404]

@@LowJSamuel "Many manufacturers have done exactly this" Who, and why couldn't they have extended OBD2 as it was designed to be extended?

[@hithere7382]

@@abitofabitofabit4404 They did at least in America. With the right bidirectional control OBD II plug you can access all the modules.

[@mathieuclement8011]

I think one of the reasons for EU mandating the same plug for all devices is to reduce e-waste and pollution. Of course not all cables and chargers are the same, but there's no reason why if you buy an iPad and and iPhone you need two different cables. It just happens that USB-C is the standard accepted by the industry and most manufacturers use it, so that is why the EU adopted it. So I don't think the EU is trying to make a technical decision here, it's just common sense.

[@TheLameTechGuy]

"Micro USB is horrible, it is an abomination on this world, and the sociopathic individual who is responsible for creating this and releasing it into the world should be punished for his crimes against humanity..." -Louis Rossmann 2021

[@TheExileFox]

Sounds like he has only encountered the bad ones. Micro USB is fine. Type C is like #bendgate

[@hankhill8739]

TheExileFox micro usb always sucked. There’s never been a port or connector that I’ve had fail more. I’d rather use lightning ports on everything than micro usb. At least they don’t break.

[@wagnerthomas6780]

@@hankhill8739 I never heard anyone in here having problem with microusb or ripping everything out with the teeth, even my mother manages to use it daily and that's something. Are microusb made differently in US or do you guys inserts plugs with brute force?

[@valiantviktor]

@@TheExileFox I seriously infer you have never owned a phone/tablet with a Micro USB connector that has seen years of use. Micro USB was always the one that bent on me. USB-C is way more sturdy (not to mention easier to plug in!) in my personal experience.

[@ratclit]

I think apple ignores the fact that the Lightning port has a USB 2 transfer speed because they view it exclusively as a charging port and device recovery port. Most of the data transfer is done wirelessly, like syncing and software updates.

[@rossmanngroup]

If you use it as it is advertised to record prores video to edit, transferring that to your computer via usb2 is hell.

[@ratclit]

@@rossmanngroup I guess that is a big issue considering they don't have software to transfer files over WiFi. No reason not to use USB C too

[@may_god_save_us]

@@ratclit they have, it's called AirDrop which uses Bluetooth to set up a connection and WiFi to transfer actual data. If you are on a Mac, of course. If you're using another platform, well...

[@glorgau]

@@may_god_save_us yeah, airport ani't bad, but I still don't trust leaving it on for an office setting. That means to work it into my workflow, I'd have to turn it on and off and maybe resynch the devices often.

[@QH96]

@@may_god_save_us does airdrop transfer data faster then usb 2?

[@RaedVS]

The stupid thing is Apple themselves were the ones to aggressively switch to USB-C only on their MacBooks, and even the iPads have already adopted USB-C, the argument could not be more invalid.

[@zenon20009]

The main reason for having 1 universal plug is ecological. You can have 1 charger for 100 devices, not having 100 chargers for all of them

[@DoomZoone]

IMHO - such a decision will be more environmentally friendly and should cut production costs for accessories. On the other hand I have a conjecture - USB C cable is more rugged and durable than the lightning, as well as cheeper.

[@itsnotyasir]

Plusses all the way. They obvious step in the right direction.

[@mousermind]

This man delivers his funnies with the straightest face ever, ironically.

[@talkingmudcrab718]

Are you saying Louis isn't straight?

[@FuriousImp]

It's called deadpan or dry.

[@ebinrock]

Yeah, he kinda reminds me of Billy Crystal.

[@may_god_save_us]

USB-C does not necessarily mean it is USB 3.1. Many (most?) Android phones use USB-C as USB 2.0, for example Pixel 3a has 2.0 when other Pixels have USB 3.1.

[@Marvin_R]

i'm not sure USB-PD is supported under USB 2.0, and USB-PD is part of the new requirements.

[@leonro]

This is mostly about being ecological, as only charging matters. Worst case, Apple uses 2.0 and it will not be an improvement over lightning, but now Apple users can trade chargers with Android users. It's still a win in the long run, and they said they'll re-evaluate if a better standard comes along.

[@swrzesinski]

Exactly. Most phones has only 2.0 on USB-C. But for example my OnePlus 7 (from 2019) has actually USB 3.1 gen 1 capability also with OTG support.

[@kognak6640]

​@@Marvin_R USB-PD is not depending on data transfer spec. Doesn't matter if it's 2.0 or 3.0 whatever. For Qualcomm SoCs, every one having Quickcharge 4 supports USB-PD. It's in QC4 spec but is limited to max 27W. Basically most snapdragons since 2017, half of 600-series, all 700-series and 835 or newer 800-series.

[@anb1142]

its not just about the speed having multiple wires for multiple device is harming the environment, that Apple supposedly care about

[@PyroRob69]

A beautiful rant. Wife and I have been having some of these conversations lately since she bought some small devices that are USB-C powered. Amazingly, she has the same opinions as you.

[@ElderStatesman]

Apparently, these supposed "fanboys" have never seen filmmakers who produce films with footage from iPhones and having the pain of waiting until their footage is transferred. That footage has to go somewhere, and you need Final Cut or some other NLE to edit the footage together. The day Apple forces people to use wireless charging/sync and data transfer alone is when I'll find the prior gen iPhone and never go with Apple again. And I've loved iPhones for a long time. Having USB 3.2 Gen 2 or Thunderbolt transfer rates on an iPhone which can record 4K/60 ProRes footage is a bare minimum at this point.

[@ikannunaplays]

Gigabit wifi?

[@randompotato26]

@@ikannunaplays yeah i was gonna say, it would be faster to transfer over wireless... LMAO

[@Sunkgazelle]

@@randompotato26 how exactly? USB C is capable of 10 times that

[@baileyharrison1030]

@@Sunkgazelle iPhones don’t use USB C though. And even if/when they do, I wouldn’t be surprised if they only operate at USB 2.0 speeds.

[@vaclav_fejt]

In defence of Micro-USB: I've never had problem with inserting it the wrong way (nor thus ripping the insides out). It's just on my 6-year-old myPhone it's so worn it doesn't charge in certain positions, plus the charging light is not a reliable indication of charging. Yes, I do need a new phone. Yes, I would love it to be as enduring and reliable as my current one. Yes, I am naïve.

[@lostcarpark]

Some great points. The EU has given the smartphone industry the best part of ten years to agree a standard, and everyone has got on board except Apple. Apple have moved to USB-C on iPads, so there's no logical reason to keep iPhones on Lightening.

[@HrHaakon]

There's a lot of people saying that Apple will go straight to wireless. They're free to do so, so long as they also offer USB-C. That's the hilarity of the situation. As for people being afraid of the EU going to far and being to prescriptive, I think that looking at other legislation they have is a good indicaiton. Take diesel engines. The Euro standards specify how much you can pollute, but they do not specify at all how you go about achieving that, letting companies be as innovative as they want. I think this is how you should (in general) do standards laws. Make the legislate the whats, and let the industry figure out the hows.

[@BingleBangleBungle]

"The vast majority of people never plug their phones into anything other than power." With this kind of reasoning against using USB-C, why bother with it. If the "vast majority" only plug their phones into power then it should be okay for Apple to use DIN coaxial power plugs.

[@joaolemes8757]

They wouldn't use DIN, they'd go with a proprietary coaxial power plug.

[@peglor]

I haven't used my phone to transfer data in quite a while, but that's because the phone decided to not support that anymore, and nothing I've tried seems to be able to get it to work again. It appears to be a 'feature' of some Samsung models.

[@LastSliceOfPie77]

Him - 'The teeth rip everything out of it if inserted wrong' Me - 'thats stupid who would do that' *tries to do that to my phone anyway*

[@shazib1081]

we are so blessed to have Louis Rossmann in this day and age where people have absolutely no fu#king clue what they're doing or what something is simply put!

[@xoMissTaylorDivine]

"You deserve an iPhone with 640k of RAM" Sounds like the equivalent of "have the day you deserve" 🤣

[@LukeBass1000]

"You don't need USB-C just use Airdrop to transfer files" Hmmm...I see a pattern developing here.

[@LRM12o8]

Sure, because transferring large files over the internet is sooo darn fast for most people, lol Apple simps are sich clowns! 🤡

[@teapouter6109]

@@LRM12o8 Airdrop is Bluetooth

[@williamhaynes7089]

except that it only works between Itard devices, Android has it own standard for air-transfer and windows, mac etc. different also.. Its a joke

[@LukeBass1000]

@@williamhaynes7089 that was my point

[@LRM12o8]

@@teapouter6109 really? I never once even thought that would be an option. That's even more ridiculous than I thought! The latest standard, Bluetooth 5.2 has a data rate of a mere 2 Mb/s! Transferring a several Gigabytes large Pro Res video file through that will take hours! EDIT: well, I've checked because that sounded too outlandish: AirDrop does not transfer files via Bluetooth. It uses a WiFi ad-hoc network, giving it a theoretical data rate of 1.3 Gbps with WiFi ac, but from what I've gathered the real-world throughput seems to be around 100 Mbps. Much less than USB 2.0

[@wobblysauce]

The worst part about it is that the other devices already have USBc.

[@ThatMusicGuyAu]

The legislation however does't apply to wireless connections. The new MagSafe connectors are/will be capable of data transfer so $10 is on Apple just removing physical ports all together on their phones just so they don't have to comply whilst still maintaining the closed ecosystem.

[@LouisSubearth]

They'd still require a type C as a backup power input in case MagSafe fails.

[@firekram]

@@LouisSubearth meh, just take it to an "authorized dealer" to get it "fixed". Heck, why even put an rechargeable battery in the phone in the first place, just buy a new one everyday when you run out of power

[@Lolkork]

USB-c is a requirement for the devices this mandate applies to. Apple can't get around it by just not having a charging port.

[@ThatMusicGuyAu]

@@LouisSubearth They don't have backup ports in case Lightning fails. The Watch only uses wireless charging, as to many other newer devices. It's not impossible they'd just ditch the physical connector as their standard is still proprietary, however it's compatible with the QI standard at a lower power capability.

[@ronaldckrausejr7762]

"Perhaps" in the future, but... For anyone who has ever torn down any Apple iPhone... All of the ones marketed today, and up through present day - do not have any form of data transfer through MagSafe

[@KamenMinkov]

I've never had a problem with Micro USB. I find it difficult to plug it in the wrong way. Of course type C is better in almost* every way, but Micro USB had its time and place. * Remember the Benson Leung drama with USB C when it was first getting adopted? I'm still having anxiety buying non-branded USB C cables whereas with Micro USB you could get a $1 one and be okay.

[@D.E._Sarcarean]

I work with a lot of high-speed USB 2.0 controllers, the most data that can be transferred between a device, 3 foot cable and host, is around 38MB/s.

[@SomeXDLuisguy]

"They don't get loose over time" My iPhone's lightning port would like to prove otherwise

[@Mr.Anders0n_]

I'm sure that Apple has "the courage" to make a portless iphone before they cave in and make an iphone with USB-C.

[@franky-161]

yeah that would be another most apple thing

[@0kaga]

100% expect this and want to see it LOL.

[@clickbaitpro]

But that will be against their "go green" agenda. They care more about money

[@aleks138]

I think they might be brash enough to do it. I can't wait to see the ishill's reaction

[@6AxisSage]

I can hear the apple apologists now "wires are so cumbersome and ancient anyway, who uses wires anymore? Get with the times"

[@RIlianP]

Something tells me that when Apple finally start using USB-C, they will start claiming that it was their idea in the first place, and start acting like they were the ones who invented it and used it first.

[@princekermit0]

Wouldn't be the first time.

[@memesfromdeepspace1075]

And they goona buy the parts from Samsung like before

[@stevenwilson5556]

To Apple's credit, the reason anyone is using USB in the first place is that they put it as the exclusive port into their gumdrop iMacs which took an obscure mostly ignored and unused port and catapulted it into the defacto mainstream port for keyboards, mice, scanners, printers, and other peripherals. Apple did not invent the USB port, Intel did, but Apple made it not only relevant but ubiquitous. Apple is far from perfect but they do have a long history of moving the industry forward in a lot of ways.

[@GeorgeU55]

@@stevenwilson5556 in the past they did innovate. Nowadays they just want money

[@superflyslay9740]

@@GeorgeU55 they were the first to put usb-c on their laptops and everyone hated them for it and now ppl complaining that they dont have it on iphone u guys just anti-apple sheep

[@LeifNelandDk]

I have NEVER been anywhere near trying to force micro USB in the wrong way around.

[@MikkoRantalainen]

Me neither but I've seen other people do it before I had time to stop them. As such, I agree that microusb is too complex to use for average people. The connector is too little for some people to see clearly the difference between the right way and wrong way so they just try to force it. And microusb connector is too weak to deal with incorrect forcing. As for the miniusb, that should have never used for anything. A connector where the *host* part of the connector is designed to only last 1000 connections should not be used for anything. Ever.

[@Sundara229]

Yeah. I understand when people rant about how flimsy and unreliable Micro B quickly gets (both 2.0 and 3.0 variants), but I've never heard of anyone being mad for accidentially plugging it in the wrong way.

[@WyvernDotRed]

Same, and though I do not like the connector, it works well enough for me to be able to use it to this day. I still have some older peripherals and daily drive an older phone that use micro-B, which I won't replace as they work perfectly and I don't worry about me breaking the connector. But for new devices I do prefer USB-C, even if that costs a bit more than an older micro-B version.

[@Eyetrauma]

5:34 “Mini-USB, Micro-USB, a cloaca…” Louis confirmed for chumbud

[@ryancawdor9381]

Yes. Great joke. The Cloaca is the multi-purpose orifice that avian species have. Don't ask what those purposes are.

[@nickstone1167]

@@ryancawdor9381 "Would you like to know more?"

[@Xachremos]

@@ryancawdor9381 Basically, they shit piss and fuck using the same tool

[@DeathBringer769]

@@Xachremos That's only one step below us humans though (pissing and banging through the same tool) lol. And quite a few people out there still go for the poop place during sexy time anyway.

[@FRAMEDSKATEKREW69]

Apple just about to start throwing in lighting to usb-C adapters in the boxes lol

[@EthanB]

Their cables in the box are already lightning to USB c. They can be used with any USB c charging brick

[@rickn3146]

With the proposed law they won't be able to use a proprietary conversion adapter. It must be USB C standard.

[@piplup2009]

@@EthanB Does anyone use USB c to USB c instead of USB a to USB c?

[@LightPink]

@@piplup2009 the oculus quest 2 has it

[@Sir.Craze-]

I enjoy the joke, quite a bit. But it's the phone port that will be regulated I think.

[@pakovrs7904]

I think we mostly think about USB technology as "readily available", however Apple using their own hardware, makes it possible for them to not sell the parts.

[@casualriley]

Apple doesn't make any parts. They buy parts from third party manufacturers and force them to not sell that part to anyone but Apple.

[@memesfromdeepspace1075]

@@casualriley What the difference

[@NightChime]

I don't think "can we buy that part" is enough. Because when the specialty part is grossly expensive just for the sake of making more money, that's not good. Yeah, available is much better than not, but affordability and viable competitor products are very much preferred.

[@NightChime]

And I think this preference does, in part, make this related to the right to repair.

[@Jamesaepp]

Buyer beware.

[@kevinmonzel]

Louis, I think the questions your’e getting about how this effects right to repair is because lightning is proprietary and usb-c isn’t.

[@LaT3St]

The USB standart including it's connectors are proprietary as well. But the argument, that USB-C ports are more available to consumers is of course true.

[@wyterabitt2149]

@@LaT3St USB is not proprietary. It is a standard, and a protected one that can't be restricted so anyone can use without "permission".

[@Naeron66]

While USB-C has a definition and a standard the physical shape of the part that containes that port doesn't. Apple could still design a uniquely shaped part for their USB-C port and try to stop people buying the part itself. That blocks right to repair on the port in the iPhone.

[@MyNarsa]

of note: the rule doesn't require USB-C, it just require a standart and everyone uses the same standart. The standart is not created by the EU, but by manufactures

[@sadev101]

so how would you get a new standard if all manufacturers are mandatory using the current standard.

[@reddabos]

@@sadev101 you do realize this happened in 2007 with micro USB, right? Not the law, the EU THREATENED the law, and the companies caved by all going to micro USB.

[@GreenScrapBot]

@@sadev101 Introduce a new standard? There are organizations that deal with this kind of stuff. They work together with the manufacturers, developing the technology, setting up specifications and so on...

[@alphaxfang]

@@sadev101 they fuckin develop new port then show it to the industry, if it way better then they will vote it as a new standard... just like how usb-c become next standard after the micro usb standard...

[@cjmillsnun]

No, they actually standardised on USB-C.

[@chrissthrlnd]

"Im hoping Im smart enough to edit that out of the video." I was, too, Louis. I was, too.

[@rayray11939]

This may come back to haunt u

[@psyco_t9387]

@@rayray11939 Probably not