Smash Ultimate DOUBLES Tier List

[@aIkaIi]

"MVD is Jesse, I can call him that because he's my friend" What a flex

[@collesque5045]

Its the same dumb alpharad bit, where they call ESAM Eric, because he's my friend. #humblebrag

[@whitgerard194]

Whatever

[@air_z7241]

@@collesque5045 grr

[@jalucaru]

Its a meme

[@KingKayEyeDee]

@@collesque5045 isn't that a fwob bit?

[@washingmashine921]

"So you see, Esam (Eric) is Eric (Esam) and MVD (Jesse) is Jesse (MVD). They call each other Jesse (MVD) and Eric (Esam) cuz they're friends and they're cool with that."

[@friizing]

Loved the tier list! Can’t wait to play doubles with my frien!- oh wait

[@friizing]

But seriously though this was a cool idea for a tier list, and loved the end result

[@Vickz818]

@@friizing let’s play

[@briangrosenbach]

Bottom Tier Pit / Dark Pit 0:41 Kirby 0:56 Ice Climbers 1:28 Doctor Mario 3:22 Low Tier Mii Brawler 3:30 Donkey Kong 6:44 Marth 8:00 King K. Rool 8:28 Ganondorf 8:34 Corrin 9:23 Isabelle 9:24 Mid Tier Mewtwo 5:38 King Dedede 9:00 Bowser Jr. 9:43 Little Mac 10:23 Rosalina and Luma 10:56 Meta Knight 11:16 Banjo and Kazooie 13:13 Duck Hunt 13:13 Bayonetta 14:40 Belmonts 17:30 Toon Link 17:42 Olimar 18:55 Diddy Kong 19:21 High Tier Sheik 2:06 Peach 4:26 Byleth 10:00 Jigglypuff 10:35 Wii Fit Trainer 12:57 Shotos 15:22 Incineroar 16:55 Young Link 17:50 Bowser 18:29 Zelda 19:45 Ganondorf 20:40 Top Tier ROB 17:05 Didn't wanna do the rest I'm sorry love u esam

[@cobrazz1853]

Damn

[@raghavpatel720]

Thank you so much

[@jimmyxoo3222]

Random Person exactly

[@Gaspa79]

Thanks!!

[@domgaar9933]

Jessie is MVD btw, I can call him that because I was there when he was...

[@w2krispy138]

And Eric is Esam btw

[@toadythetoast]

Doubles Kirby is only good if your team is Kirby Shulk. Monado Kirby kinda OD

[@mynamewasunironicallyyuri973]

Straight fax no printer

[@Andy-th6qs]

He also has the gimmick with Kirby up throw and snake down b killing at literally any percent

[@getbn6547]

@Max The Random Lepurchaun "You wanna come back to mine for a fuck and a pizza?", has been alarmingly successful for me..... Just make sure you actually have pizza.

[@skylon01]

Yuri G thought I ordered a printer but all I got was a fax machine

[@maxbrown8109]

Wow, as soon as Mario gets his medical degree he goes straight from broken to bottom tier

[@Kara-de5cz]

Plumber > Doctor

[@australianclaude_527]

It’s the school debt weighting him down a few tiers

[@animorte9790]

Working all those long hours internship, not enough time to keep chasing down Bowser. Skipped too many leg days.

[@sunnarinsuksunti7799]

Me:*sees Ness in BROKEN* My mind: *OUR CAUSE IS JUST*

[@mllohrma]

I think people undervalue the damage buff from doubles to singles when considering shiek. Since shiek does low damage the boost to singles is only minor. This indicates her damage is also not reduced as much in doubles making her damage output seem normal compared to other chars

[@LunaDachi]

Heavily agree with this. I also think that the consistency of a Sheik main would be far better than anybody else because combos and general kill percents will barely need adjustment, where every other characters’ players might make mistakes of trying to kill with something too early because it would kill in singles.

[@everyonesaidmynamewasstupi3713]

i don’t think sheik struggles to kill in singles but it does become a problem in doubles. it’s very difficult to get an opponent in a position to get kill confirmed when their teammate is able to step in and interfere.

[@SweatOnly]

“MVD is Jesse, I can call him that cause he’s my friend” Yeah no biggie I know top players by there first names aha no big deal

[@waldo7545]

dang Esam you're a cool guy

[@yourboy9236]

Do you not know the joke?

[@cag_0k642]

Your Boy Eric is Esam by the way

[@xeno4530]

@Max The Random Lepurchaun lmao Dark Wizzy

[@Ahakqnqkanjssnsh]

Plussy gang

[@franciscovaldes4107]

*Esam: has an opinion *MVD: i think otherwise *Esam: well i guess i was wrong all along

[@yan_dj]

"You can't edgeguard Ness" Me who mains Isabelle and Villager: *Presses B*

[@yourboy9236]

I love the alpharad bit about MVD.

[@jaycegoller1175]

Who’s Eric?

[@OniiChanPls]

See now I'm wondering what you're talking about and am asking for sauce

[@ethancaswell9427]

Who’s alpharad?

[@david_8916]

@@ethancaswell9427 no, you can't just say you don't know who alpharad is. Everyone knows who the Mr. Internet Funny Man is. It's the creator of the FORWARD AERIAL meme

[@raven-narth9926]

@; your name is literally a semicolon, how do you _not_ know what alpharad/alpharad plus is?

[@ninja5596]

Esam:well I think this character is trash because X MVD:well actuallly I think X is high tier Esam: :0

[@Minister_of_Magic_1997]

Dm the whole ganon section.

[@kleyo6765]

"Yo, Mario Flood is SO BROKEN" also Esam "Just don't use Squirtle"

[@epicgaming6564]

Mario's fluud is much better than squirtle's water gun, it's larger and pushes back more

[@epicgaming6564]

@@kleyo6765CORRECTION Mario's pushes farther squirtle's has more control, I've tested and mario's would always push farther

[@trippi_3999]

I swear to god MVD says they’re in my top 30 at least 43 times

[@mzisaperson7925]

I feel like inkling gets somewhat worse because up throw upair kill %s are different cause multihits do less damage meaning that the opponent will be launched by the multihit at a lower percent

[@dc49154]

I've actually been curious about a doubles tier list myself a while ago, so I counted the number of times a character appeared in a current smash tournament I was watching. Although I'm not a super-duper expert in smash doubles, I've been a spectator of it since 2020-ish where it grew on me, so I have some knowledge on this nevertheless. Anyways, here are the statistics - I hope it's good food for thought: 1st: Pokemon Trainer (17 times) 2nd: Joker (16) 3rd: Palutena (16) 4th: Chrom (14) 5th: Snake (13) 6th: ROB (12) 7th: Mario (10) 8th: Inkling (10) 9th: Hero (9) 10th: Roy (9) 11th: Bowser (9) 12th: Game and Watch (8) 13th: Yoshi (8) 14th: DK (8) 15th: Ike (8) 16th: Pikachu (8) 17th: Wolf (8) 18th: Ness (7) 19th: Wii Fit (7) 20th: Captain Falcon (7) 21st: Cloud (7) 22nd: Greninja (7) 23rd: King K Rool (6) 24th: Lucina (6) 25th: Link (6) 26th: Young Link (6) 27th: Bowser Jr. (6) 28th: Lucas (6) 29th: Fox (6) 30th: Samus / D. Samus (5) 31st: Bayonetta (5) 32nd: Luigi (5) 33rd: Pit / D. Pit (5) 34th: Robin (5) 35th: Zelda (5) 36th: Ridley (4) 37th: Falco (4) 38th: Isabelle (4) 39th: Incineroar (4) 40th: Diddy (3) 41st: Mii Brawler (3) 42nd: Wario (3) 43rd: King Dedede (3) 44th: Peach / Daisy (3) 45th: Lucario (3) 46th: Little Mac (3) 47th: Villager (2) 48th: Banjo (2) 49th: Marth (2) 50th: Duck Hunt (2) 51st: Terry (2) 52nd: Mewtwo (2) 53rd: Sheik (2) 54th: Jigglypuff (2) 55th: Shulk (2) 56th: Simon / Richter (2) 57th: Pirhana Plant (2) 58th: Pichu (2) 59th: Byleth (2) 60th: Kirby (1) 61st: Meta Knight (1) 62nd: Ryu / Ken (1) 63rd: Doctor Mario (1) 64th: Toon Link (1) 65th: Mega Man (1) 66th: Zero Suit Samus (1) 67th: Ganondorf (1) 68th: Sonic (1) 69th: Pac-man (0) 70th: Mii Gunner (0) 71st: Mii Swordfighter (0) 72nd: Olimar (0) 73rd: Rosalina (0) 74th: Corrin (0) 75th: Ice Climbers (0) Take this with a grain of salt considering that this "tier list" may be biased to more popular characters more than less well known ones. Feel free to reply if you have any questions :)

[@wallhackio399]

Thanks for this list. Do you have a spreadsheet/document somewhere where you keep this information? I would love to see it!

[@ArylBarrel]

Caleb Sword Same!!!

[@PerfectDarkly]

"[Pacman's Forward Smash] lingers for as long as quarantine's been" 😭

[@ArylBarrel]

;-;

[@doxazo5512]

Tier lists are fun. Tier lists with friends are AWESOME.

[@kgddrago3752]

Min min: I'm my own teammate

[@AverageDoctor345]

37:00 I just looked it up, Pac-Man fsmash vs Bowser fsmash: PM: frame 16, 16 damage, 40 base knockback, 97 knockback growth Bow: frame 22, 23 damage, 25 base knockback, 98 knockback growth So yes, in certain situations, Pac-Man's fsmash is actually stronger than Bowser's

[@mattbbw4767]

I love teams in general would you two every do a teams guide like how y’all generally practice together or going over the different types of roles in teams and what are the best characters for said roles

[@PlayPodOG]

i feel like some characters can be tanks. like in mmos, you have your beef and you got your speed or range. having a heavy brawler pair up with either someone who is fast or a good zoner is optimal

[@Snowballsage]

0:02 also Eric is esam

[@Cristeve]

Hmm, i don't know, it looks like a normal tier list When i play online with my brother, we play as our mains, Peach and Zelda, they can do a lot of kill confirms at any percents! We only lose 1/10 Matches

[@FrodoOriginal]

Online is also completely different with no team attack, you can’t spam moves in doubles tournament

[@oblivion2674]

Zss is insane with flip kick. You have to predict where the flip kick is and not have their teammate prevent you from getting to zss

[@randomperson4137]

You should make a quick video with team attack off

[@ArylBarrel]

If he wants to, for sure, but it won’t really do much since Team Attack being off is not legal.

[@plasmicocean5278]

As someone who's played a lot of Kirby in doubles I'd say he's a bit better than that (but probably still only mid-tier). His speed is definitely a problem (unless you're teaming with Shulk), so you really want to avoid large stages and maybe have another character to counter pick to against particularly fast characters (in my experience Sonic, Game & Watch, and Yoshi are all nightmares), but his disadvantage is actually pretty reasonable in doubles. Getting out of disadvantage with down-b and up-b is a lot easier than in singles (usually you want to use them to go to ledge, but they're also very good at disrupting opponents that are focused on your partner) and nair and bair are much better get off me tools than most people realise. He can also kinda steal stocks with nair/bair and fair 1 > f-smash, just not as much as top tiers can. Top tiers with good disjoint are also a little annoying , but I find it's usually manageable as long as you can avoid getting juggled to much. He's not not amazing, but he definitely has some things going for him and obviously he benefits enormously from partnering with certain characters.

[@Vickz818]

You should make an updated one 😄

[@Vickz818]

Asked a year ago and still no update 😞

[@plasmicocean5278]

37:40 Agree with this so much, Yoshi + Swordies (especially the mashy ones) is so busted.

[@joecoolberry911]

What doesn’t get talked about enough is the things 2 particular character can do teamed up. Like I would choose samus and the teammate ness, and I would shoot charge shots to his down b for health. And character that can charge stuff is pretty OP to in a 2 v 1 situation

[@chrisbell8902]

I think specific double combos are interesting, I think falco and jigglypuff are interesting, they both can control the air in unique ways, and falco can laser jigglypuff after landing rest to give jigglypuff a low percent trade for being awaken which can be done from across the map. I think jigglypuff theoretically pairs exceptionally well with both little mac and mii gunner because mac can dominate the ground while jiggly controls the air, or gunner can have perfect stage control while jiggly has aerial control and gunner does not have to worry about hitting their teammate because jiggly is floating above gunner's projectiles.

[@aidenvega6306]

Inklings neutral B locks opponent in shield. Let's say inkling and bowser team up. Inkling locks opponent in shield bowser bomb shield break into bowser F smash while inkling juggles the opponent to stop them from saving the teammate. Added bonus: tough guy armor goes through ink so its like a perfect team. And bowser takes stocks easily.

[@sham_noway]

gonna quickly mention how amazing jrs down throw is in doubles

[@TheWatchmanOfTheEnd]

@ 44:19 lol no? I edge guard side special almost every time I fight an Ike and I barely even play this game lol. I even have examples in various montages with various characters that are not Ness. Edge guarding side special is actually pretty exploitable. Sometimes I even just jump out there to eat it knowing they wont be able to recover after stopping their momentum similarly to how sometimes I just jump into Ness's up special just to eat the momentum.

[@cullenhutchison6528]

I think Ike is top 10 because he has perhaps the most consistent kills of everyone and covers a lot of space. Also, you don't have to worry as much about killing your teammate since your kill confirm is 2 hits. Never dying certainly helps too. His throws, aerials, and up b can lead to great team combos, and if the opponent gets a grab, Ike can just kill people at 50 or 60.

[@mittens4385]

Who has a1 hit kill confirm? Isn’t that just a strong hit?

[@sheenovh1182]

@@mittens4385 maybe more bcuz its a slow confirm, so its more unlikely to kill ur teammate

[@aweik4937]

”Top tiers are broken” -ESAM

[@masterwoo4359]

Ah yes, the floor here is made of floor

[@ebanheckathorn8286]

They forgot Steve, sephiroth, min min, sora, kazuya, and pyra/mithra.

[@demonssinglosongs]

those characters werent out/announced when they made this video

[@jayhawkings2445]

Thank you for this Esam! I really needed this!!!

[@ahmadkazan7994]

Sonic is basically top tier in teams,like teams will negate sonic's homing attack drawback because of the diversity of focus,it basically becomes the most spammable move in game.

[@kleyo6765]

Yoshis of a feather stick together, we nerf ourselves by staying in a group

[@mllohrma]

Also can Kirby really be considered bad? If paired with a shulk that team seems pretty decent. Kirby gains kill confirms/survivability/damage output. But it is only that specific team :(

[@Fluffy_W]

Also Kirby can use the suck to save teamates from getting koed as long as the kill move wasn't a grab

[@kaashi2951]

@@Fluffy_W Kirby too slow to do that on reaction sadly

[@caviaporcellus7253]

Paavan Kumar not with speed Monado 😁

[@largenaq2935]

Kirby snake is hella jank too, not only can Kirby get grenades but snake can sticky Kirby and detonate at the top of Kirby’s up throw to cheese really early stocks. Kirbys too gimmicky to be viable though imo

[@lxvi2441]

it's just too niche to be considered good. based on overall performance kirby is not a good doubles character

[@maragazh9993]

Up next: online doubles tier list

[@ffchickens1636]

Ooh the doubles tier list I asked for he finally did it thanks esam

[@Awildgamer]

"daydayday" everytime. I get it, they say it in Japan, but come on

[@mordykinz4228]

He first played the Japanese version of brawl. He's used to saying it that way at this point.

[@jasonduhela9597]

There are a few songs you can play over the course of one and a half hours- in this game alone

[@charlesbaker1200]

This man has just never played a crazy bayo in doubles. I pray for him when he does

[@DJ-LD]

This just makes me double down on the possibility of an inkling and pac-man team being an amazing thing with a high skill cap

[@Luma_29]

Nice to finally see MVD doing well

[@ashtoric]

pit can always save a teammate with arrows. also he has high survivability with a good recovery and being able to save his teammate. only issue is airspeed maybe but his ground speed is good. sideB isn’t bad as a team throw combo

[@BroadwayRonMexico]

He just doesn't bring enough to the table. Pit is too all-around for his own good when it comes to doubles. Unless you're only good with Pit, there's not much reason to pick him over anyone else.

[@cooperwestfall5981]

What did MVD say at 42:16?

[@bkpaynter5984]

"It lingers as long as quarantines been" -MVD May 2020

[@HashishUno]

hair line gone since 02

[@aidenvega6306]

Snakes invincible throws and flare blitz is 40% also the omnigay with C4 up throw with charizard KOs at 0. It's just funny. Snake PT is by far the best team combo. I would say arséne PT but they patched out the infinite arséne trick so not that unless it works with pythra. I think pythra are broken broken in doubles.

[@st4pps]

I wish doubles was the standard format for smash.

[@Autotomize]

This isn’t Pokémon bro dang

[@---mn9fr]

"I wish doubles *were* the standard format..."

[@jsalts]

Joker's meter builds when his partner gets damaged? wtf...

[@joshuasteinke2588]

Any plans of a team comp list?

[@fabiofrancescangelimuguert5351]

I think it's also fair to say that if the joker's teammate receives damage it also drains the metter, plus that I still think he is the best

[@everyonesaidmynamewasstupi3713]

wii fit top tier in doubles. she has a ridiculous amount of ooga booga kill moves. her throws are really good for team combos, f throw is really long and both up and back throw are relatively long. jab becomes OD good in doubles because it’s a 3 hit jab that buries and if your teammate is charging an f smash as soon as that jab 1 comes out and obviously they don’t have endlag. she has a charge shot. her soccer ball feels good for disrupting in doubles. having another character with a whole different set of hitboxes allows for so many possibilities with header cancel setups as well. it’s pretty easy to combo off your teammate’s hit into your side b that does 40% for some reason. she has a lot of hitboxes that hit both sides of her which can be good in doubles. she all around has amazing kill power, amazing damage output, solid mobility, amazing edge guarding, i just think she has a lot going for her in doubles

[@David-sv7hl]

Marth: can’t space in doubles Byleth: tippers are easier ?

[@Meracog]

Byleth also kills earlier than Marth.

[@sirgarde9256]

Marth kills at like 40-60 with fsmash/shieldbreaker but okay.

[@jonathandwilliams2885]

Byleth has much bigger tipper hitboxes than Marth. Marth has a hard time hitting tippers period in this game. Bigger hitboxes with more reach plus partner grabbing an opponent and holding them still = easy tippers in doubles. Can be exploited with Marth in doubles as well potentially, just a bit harder.

[@TheOnlyGokuMain]

@@Meracog Did you go in training mode and try that out or just blindly believe what the majority say because that's 100% not true

[@adithahsan752]

Byleth tipper is way easier to hit

[@q8599]

This is such a useful tier list thank you

[@Pro-kesh]

Please make an updated one

[@supervaderaj]

Online doubles tier list next :D

[@spiritbug869]

MVD I’m look for your KZbin channel where’s it at????

[@NoNo-fv9pz]

MVD:says anything ESAM:really?

[@strictlyworse_mk7108]

Meta Knight Up-Throw Up-B does WHAT!? Do the properties of doubles allow what you just said to be a thing?

[@imESAM]

Team mate up throw mk upb

[@strictlyworse_mk7108]

Oh, I see! Thank you!

[@mindlesslime]

Don't know if anyone else put this but does gravitational pull effect rosalina at all or is it just niche

[@jackrocks8350]

Remember rosa's down b, with certain projectiles it's broken

[@MikeLavin]

"Hairline's been gone since 02"

[@Dacweepa64]

41:06 This is just the Manitoba smash scene in a nutshell.

[@dairyperez1683]

Incineroar in teams; “yo teammate gimme free revenge”

[@camusreviews6877]

Joker and Meme are also proof that Yoshi and Samus are great doubles picks

[@adeptproperty27]

My doubles partner mains wii fit and he claps hella cheeks. I wish we could have showed it at pound 😢

[@odell4520]

I love you esam.

[@odell4520]

This is the video you love to see.

[@nintendope8837]

Ye umm u heard of Kirby with C4 snake

[@extasse99]

They should make a different tier list for online doubles (no team attack on) since many of us here are probably interested in that as well

[@extasse99]

@Rich Gears yeah projectile spamming can sometimes be a bit too much especially when you don’t have to worry about your teammate

[@julian5535]

What if you paired kirby with shulk? Monado arts Kirby is pretty saucy

[@uhpurpose]

doesnt fix kirby since that is basically only viable without nerfing teammate

[@adithahsan752]

Monados are worse in doubles

[@adamice2526]

do you still plan on doing the other games?

[@LimaGrean]

Now we need a FFA tier list

[@matthewmea3566]

Lucas is pretty OP in doubles with TA off because he just needs the opponents to be distracted then unleash PK Freeze and that's it.

[@smashssf2_ssbc15]

The first time I saw Lucas in high tier

[@placidpelican]

His up smash is also broken

[@mynamewasunironicallyyuri973]

As an Icies main, I can’t agree more with your placement. But Shulk-Kirby is a surprisingly solid team(That’s basically Kirby’s only good 2v2).

[@Matoi_Makouhou]

Kirby should be way higher since if he is in team with Snake he can use a C4 on Kirby and when Kirby goes for Up trow Snake uses the C4 and they instantly die

[@Mepphy99]

Gimmicky i Guess

[@ProbablyAnEarthbender]

Anyone know if ESAM has a public discord?

[@PikaPiPika]

Why is Marth at low tier and Lucina at the very top when they're practically the same character?

[@veridian727]

consistency is super important in doubles

[@brutalrattle]

Because Lucina is just better Marth due to the fact that Marth’s tipper is doesn’t work well (from what I’ve heard)

[@lukeroan1719]

It is hard to hit tippers and why play Marth and not Lucina

[@Granetdud]

His lack of being able to consistently hit the tipper is what keeps him constantly coming up short next to Lucina. It's a small change, but it really does make a BIG difference since he more often then not is essentially just a weaker Lucina. There's the idea that with the right amount of skill, Marth would outmatch Lucina no questions asked, but since even when Marth DOES land a tipper, it doesn't always registered, and the idea never comes to fruition. The tier gap between the two character might be over exaggerated on more than a few lists, but I think there is still a gap, regardless, big or small. Still though, I enjoy watching and playing as Marth over Lucina any day. Tippers are fun and satisfying to land, I just wish they would actually LAND, y'know?

[@mzisaperson7925]

Doubles is harder cause you get less space with 4 players so it’s much harder to land tippers when on some stages you may not even have the space in your quarter of the stage that you’re in charge of

[@ExpertDual]

I think Roy is bad in doubles too. Like sourspot drops team combos, he gets double teamed into a spike, falls too fast your partner cannot save you off stage. Any character with an invincible throw is good in doubles like Mario backthrow and Ganon fthrow. MKLeo told me the most important thing in team combos is if your setup can ping pong your opponent so floaty characters and low jump characters are bad. ZSS good

[@ExpertDual]

I think Pokemon Trainer is the best, followed by Snake and Chrom just my opinion. I think characters that just kill you cheaper/at 0 are what would turn a match around easier. 4th is Joker, ZSS 5th, Mario 6th.

[@Alibaba-id1cs]

Imagine team attack off in tournaments. Double Belmont’s and Hero is more broken than smash 4 Cloud.

[@C-HAMP]

So basically link is the best in doubles out of the links but young link is the best in singles out of the links? Makes sense

[@christonics.c.f3808]

Yo my mans is SWEATING. LMAOOOOOO

[@Kirby-Gov]

At a local I used doc in a doubles match and I lost my teammate and my opponent’s had 4 stocks combined and I had one and I made the comeback

[@Kirby-Gov]

Doc still sucks though

[@rickzeroX]

He's fun to use, I wish he was slightly faster.

[@Nootathotep]

should Joker be banned from doubles?

[@kirbstomp3945]

what if you go Kirby Shulk?

[@MadHatter1B3]

Looking at these comments I find it hilarious Eric (ESAM Btw) has summoned the alpharad nation.

[@Hero-ee4kf]

Ok I want to make something clear,Rosalina,zelda is a really fucking hard team to win against for one big reason,knight.

[@ExTBlueNoVa]

I wonder where Sephiroth would be in Doubles Tier List

[@NarutoUzumaski]

Richter and Simon?

[@gamermonkey153]

Bowser plus a character that can barrie is dumb good I play bowser and my friend plays inkling and it’s really inkling

[@coral3831]

OMG I'm entering doubles tournament I needed this thx!

[@cgp1249]

This is the only time you’ll see Ganon in high tier lol

[@nintendope8837]

Yaaaaaaaa we'll never know if he said y'all or yaaa that's hot