Smash Ultimate Patch 8.0.0 - Side by Side Comparison

Version 8.0.0 brought us Min Min from ARMS, a new stage and tons of balance changes to Mewtwo, Falco, Captain Falcon, Diddy Kong, Ike, Bayonetta and more! Here are all the patch notes!
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[@BeefySmashDoods]

We didnt talk about the final smashes on purpose to save time and deliver this video as soon as possible! It was a lot of work and we hope you enjoy it!

[@hadylabban6597]

side by side comparisons are the most helpful online tools for smash thank you so much!

[@marshi7777]

@Uchechi Godwin-Offor That would be a bit too good

[@marshi7777]

Thanks :D

[@nezoxy3610]

could you explain the landing change made to ivysaur?

[@josephorelien3192]

Yea its great as usual.

[@scarffoxandfriends9401]

- Japanese Player uses Diddy's infinite at a tournament Sakarai is attending - Infinite gets patched out - Practically nobody is surprised

[@cdc.drippy_]

They really took out the only cool, valid set up Diddy had nd trashed it. Like damn, cmon tht shit wasnt even easy to pull off consistently. Not to mention it was also *situation dependent.* Smh.

[@Venombot21]

Infinites still should not exist

[@psyf0x_104]

@@cdc.drippy_ Infinites aren't good for a game regardless. It's fairly obvious that infinites in Smash are oversights, and should be fixed.

[@ChillavaKirby]

As difficult as it may be to pull off, infinites don’t really belong in a game like this

[@BlazenPowers]

When I saw that nerf in the patch notes, I was saying in your face over and over and over again.

[@yum_3055]

*Timestamps* 0:36 Kirby 1:00 Captain Falcon 1:33 Sheik 1:39 Falco 2:13 Marth 2:23 Mewtwo 2:59 Metaknight 3:13 Pit + Dark Pit 3:38 Ike 4:01 Diddy Kong 4:32 King Dedede 4:49 Villager 5:17 Wii fit 5:36 Corrin 6:08 Bayonetta 6:29 Ridley 6:48 King K Rool 7:08 Isabelle 7:28 Incineroar 7:56 Piranha plant 8:18 Hero 8:21 Banjo and Kazooie

[@shower310]

Thanks!

[@royplatt455]

Lucario didn't get anything? Darn. I feel like he needs a buff or 2 pretty darn bad.

[@arkarker]

Not every hero wears a cape

[@nopenopenopepikachu5206]

thx

[@metamayto]

@@arkarker Nope, some wear a Munchie.

[@spacesoccercowboy6091]

I legit think the only reason they've changed Ridley's Down-B to be considered a grab is due to the infamous K Rool down throw and Ridley Skewer combo

[@moonstruck1215]

You still got Jiggly sing to down B lol

[@GregInTechnicolor]

I mean you just get banned for "picking on a player" if you do it anyway

[@Benado]

GregInTechnicolor Not in team battles

[@UltimateTS64]

That works on like the whole cast, it's not even a combo technically, you can air dodge out of it. It's usually just a mix up if you need to catch up on percent/close out a stock earlier, or as a punish for someone who doesn't really know the Ridley matchup. Heck you can even catch people with it if they air doge away from it by dashing forward just a bit and catching their landing

[@voltingmaster5458]

That Cloud torture scene with Ridley and K Rool never gets old.

[@tyresefinney6602]

I think minmin's noodles had something extra in them since both kirby and captain falcon got buffed.

[@frogturtle]

underrated comment

[@cryodelta]

@@frogturtle yes

[@adham8998]

They also got buffed in almost all the same things, dash attack, down special and more

[@its_kumar_babyyy]

yup yup!

[@Aztr_artz]

@@adham8998 they ate spicy ramen which gave boost to their fire attacks

[@SoldierD-]

Nintendo making the 8.0 patch: You get a buff, you get a buff, EVERYONE GETS A BUFF. If you check under you seats, you can find more knockback

[@LexiRicio]

Underrated 😂

[@taxevader5386]

Underrated

[@jadebayoba7073]

Totally underrated

[@xxkiller321]

Behind your chair you should notice less endlag!

[@ahmadkazan7994]

Except sonic,no buff in all patches.

[@hobojoe9717]

Everyone got buffed except the one that needed it most: Ultimate Online 😪

[@dinosaurusrex1482]

Oof

[@kingbill8155]

Well, Ganondorf wasn’t even touched

[@nirokal]

@@kingbill8155 well yea, he still has captain falcon moves. He needs a rework instead of a buff. Plus his attacks kill way to early and have really good hit stun, this is compensated by him being slow. So I think no buffs are needed, just a rework for his own moveset

[@NCozy]

Melee rollback has me spoiled rn. Can't wait to go back and play this game offline.

[@peppinoandweskerfriendsfor3450]

Nirojan Kalaimannan I feel like a “Ganondorf with actual Ganon moves” rework would happen in the next game, not here.

[@oliverjuarez1035]

Dude you have no idea how long I've been here just waiting for this video

[@julianestebanperezsotelo298]

Yeah, finally!!

[@BlobstoF]

Yeah same i was refreshing every 2 minutes

[@adaircs8319]

Yo same here

[@pikminpuck8015]

Maybe around a day?

[@gothtearz]

Lmao it's been less than 24 hours

[@lerazo_97]

I always look forward to these comparison videos. It gives me a much better look at all the differences between the two patches. Keep it up my doods!!

[@NamelessGamer29]

How could you forget to mention that Dr. Mario’s final smash is stronger now? This is absolutely going to change the meta.

[@johantitulaer1052]

Finally someone gets it. I've been having trouble killing people in Elite Smash with his Final Smash but now I think I can actually win tournaments.

[@brokenpromises-.....707]

smh sonic also had his buffed, this is game changing, I can't wait to go on elite smash with this new gimmick

[@cookieblobber]

H O W D Y what did they buff for Sonic?

[@misfortunecookie4362]

Surielle’s Cookieblobber: Nuggin just his final smash.

[@HollowB]

No one uses final smash in competitive

[@SegaDisneyUniverse]

That moment when Little Mac's buffs are so miniscule that he's not even mentioned in the video lol.

[@bocaj71491]

Honestly I think he didn't add it because how broken it is and he doesn't want a Little Mac nerf lol

[@mythoughtsexactly2145]

"b u f f s"

[@captainnwalps6689]

Sakurai: who?

[@SegaDisneyUniverse]

Lol!

[@joelcomer]

Bro he is so fast now. I have even considered using him as my main now. He has always been very powerful and good with combos.

[@sarasaland4709]

“Incineroar’s Revenge is even stronger after countering something,” Ah yes. Because Incineroar’s biggest issue was Revenge just being too weak. The 2nd most important change after Skewer’s Damage buff.

[@yellowtitan6040]

It seems like all they do to improve lower tier characters is just buff what's already good about them. It's like every character one day is just gonna be carried by one gimmick instead of being overall balanced.

[@desu2000]

@@yellowtitan6040 well isn't Mario's main gimmick up air combos? Don't get me wrong I love Ultimate but you know what a player is going to do based on the character they're playing before the match starts.

[@Manganization]

Buffing Incineroar can go sour pretty quickly, so I get why they hesitate on making changes to weaknesses he's supposed to have.

[@yellowtitan6040]

@@desu2000 Yeah but having an Up-air as your best move is not the same as Lucario's Aura or Incineroar's Revenge. Those are unique mechanics, not just a regular attack, which makes them much more of a gimmick. Mario doesn't solely rely on Up-air to be a good character.

[@allstarwoo4]

Incineroar isn't that versatile so if they don't buff that might as well buff his kill power.

[@blakehudson478]

"Ridleys down special sweet spot is now considered a grab" Ridley players can now style on Banjo's wonder wing, since that can only be stopped by grabs

[@Onyxs]

It doesn’t I tested it

[@austinrones5842]

Best buff ever

[@heinrichdubloon3139]

Only counts after just being thrown.

[@johnrico3895]

I'm so salty, they removed like the one reliable combo into skewer, down throw down b, I'm just a Ridley main that wants good buffs lol

[@Onyxs]

John Rico I mean you could DI it pretty easily

[@isaibaez50]

Ridley: "hey guys can a get a few minor buffs? I do really good damage but I feel like my neutral could be better, maybe an airspeed increase? Less lag on some Ariels? You know something to help me catch the faster characters." Nintendo: "here's 6% more damage on your slowest, easiest to avoid, worst move. Oh and now you can't get a tech chase scenario of the the downthrow setup anymore. Bye bye." Ridley: ...

[@DrSwazz]

My boy Ridley is a businessman

[@gfkjfjfnj]

The buff Ridley needs and deserves most is higher weight imo. Kinda strange that even Samus weighs more in this game...

[@clintwaki6936]

@@gfkjfjfnj The biggest buff would be more angles on the upB. But idk Ridley's just not a great character no matter how you spin it/nair it.

[@Fran_5]

They really just destroyed one of Ridley's options and hit you with a 6% compensation buff, like it would be enough.

[@meyeneetuks4680]

I dont get y nintendo is so scared. Ridley is so big u could throw out any move and ull hit him. If hes gonna b so big they should make him heavier. I swear the only viable heavies is just Bowser. Maybe DK too.

[@PhoenixW77]

He attac He protec But most importantly He has more *KNOCK BACC*

[@casual_ssb3282]

Ayyyy who else was ready for them to upload this Also rip to everyone who’s main didn’t get a buff

[@aclonymous]

HDG especially ganon mains, hard bottom tier but still no buffs

[@Ryusuta]

Poor, poor Byleth.

[@gothtearz]

It's still insane how throughout the entirety of this game G&W has gotten like 2-3 changes and one of those was simply a universal change to stall then fall down airs

[@josephwu3241]

buff ganon i have dropped the character because he has gotten nothing

[@Josh-md1bc]

Cough cough greninja, cough cough sheik

[@AniMariBro]

Pretty sure K. Rool belly armor being able to survive the HOME RUN BAT is probably something that no secondary armor should ever have.

[@flifli5121]

His armor is % based, not Knockback based, Homerun has incredible knockback, but only deals 18% which is how much his belly armor would break at before, homerun bat is just a consistent 18% hit

[@gigagrenade7249]

This is all we king K rool mains got bro 😣

[@ethancate8462]

I've heard he can tank a warlock punch too

[@undrill5985]

K............ROOOOOOOOOL

[@WispyBlueBricksGPX]

WE WANTED TO NERF HIM, NOT MAKE HIM STRONGER

[@MidwayWuzzupman]

Almost only going for buffs is better, because it's more satisfying when a weak character you like gets buffed rather than a strong character you like getting nerfed.

[@manelneedsaname1773]

but only buffing doesn't work either, some characters need to be straight up nerfed

[@MidwayWuzzupman]

@@manelneedsaname1773 what I said is a general case; sometimes characters do need nerfs, but they should be handled carefully. Getting too excited to nerf things comes off as being too scared to let a meta form and discourages players from finding solutions to a problem.

[@jijmotorp3079]

Also there is no absolute top tier so the meta is actually healthy right now. Creating more good characters is definetly the right way

[@LunarPurin]

They didn't buff any weak characters though. Marth, Falco and Wii Fit were high tiers. Half of the characters here did not deserve buffs and are now downright toxic to play against because they have no weak points and zoning is so much more possible with them.

[@LunarPurin]

@@jijmotorp3079 Falco is now absolutely the best character in the game.

[@Galaxia_EX]

“And Diddys infinite is sadly not possible anymore.” Nothing sad about that fam. Let’s hope Wobelle is next. Edit: Apparently, it’s still in the game, just harder to do. That’s disappointing, but hopefully it will get patched out for good in patch 9.0.0. Edit 2: yup, it should be gone now.

[@claire6452]

@AreYouSure YouEnteredYourNameCorrectly No, you don't. A versus game should be about interacting with your opponent, not just you "not fucking up" on your own.

[@coffefighterz9641]

@@claire6452 kzbin.info/www/bejne/r3-cl5ubo66NeMU heres why some infinites are ok

[@MERKINTHEMALL]

@AreYouSure YouEnteredYourNameCorrectly no infinites should be in any fighting game. Anyone defending them are just cheesers

[@crookycumbles]

@@MERKINTHEMALL Grade A scrubquote.

[@deliriousjason8133]

Crooky Cumbles Cope harder

[@pacol.4302]

Anyone else: Min Min is looking sick! Little Mac mains: it's another losing matchup

[@neednewipposeason]

It ain't that hard to beat. Just hyper armor through all her moves

[@cordelwhite1749]

Rush her down

[@jpridgway6747]

I think hes a hard counter

[@monoko1234]

@@neednewipposeason But she always has another ARMS. Mac's armor is actually pretty tight.

[@screamingeternally6372]

She's a zoner, like palutania, it depends on skill against air. But competitively, easy win for lil mac

[@eliteteutonicknight1]

I don't know what Min Min puts in that Ramen, but everyone, especially Falcon, is loving those buffing side effects.

[@itriggerpeople4433]

Has it really been 5 months since the last patch? *Where did my life go wrong*

[@ken7007]

When you turned your switch on

[@Rarest26]

If you play AC, there´s your answer

[@YounesLayachi]

It has been 7 months since byleth reveal I think, which was in November

[@skyguysZ]

Younes Layachi Byleth was revealed in january. You meant Terry was released in november

[@Matanumi]

Yes. People complained nothing was happening with the game. remember #fixultimateonline ?

[@SeriousStriker]

Something not mentioned. Lylat's edges have been fixed, likely due to the match between Kola and Dabuz at a tournament before the pandemic hit.

[@StateOfTheMind11225]

damn really?

[@regalblade8171]

The one where the Rosalina smacked her head on the edge?

[@nibla02gamer84]

@@regalblade8171 yep that one is fixed

[@regalblade8171]

@@nibla02gamer84 I will finally not SD with Ike's Aether when trying to recover finally

[@fernandobanda5734]

How many times have we heard that Lylat has finally been fixed?

[@Nekotamer]

we still lack the most important buff the online multiplayer.

[@DanielHernandez-cn2ng]

Woooooorrrddd

[@heyIts_naj]

thats not getting changed and we know that deep down

[@junqalope]

@@heyIts_naj Darn you and your facts...

[@Nekotamer]

@@heyIts_naj that wakes me up every night and makes me wonder... why are we still here.... just to suffer are we humans..... or are we dancers?

[@antgotlost]

@@Nekotamer :(

[@Liggliluff]

_This_ is why I watch BSD. Good update that actually goes through the details in-game. Not like other channels who goes through a few changes and also only reads from the list.

[@mychaeljones7526]

*coughs* sad Chilean boi

[@Ryusuta]

My god, Plant's forward air is almost as fast as Marcina's now. It's BEAUTIFUL.

[@arthurboureau1364]

Kinda feels weird how fast it is

[@Ryusuta]

@Arthur Boureau It's a bit surreal, yeah. XD

[@Cristeve]

Marthina*

[@kikkoman8484]

falco side special feels instant asf now too

[@N12015]

Piranha plant also has now a frame 5 combo starter in Up tilt. The F-Air has 3 frames less of startup, making it a frame 7 move, as fast as wolf's F-Air. Is surprising how fast the plant hits on some of its moves. PS: Piranha Plant's worst move is now F-Tilt, for being outclassed by Multi-Jab, F-air and Dash attack.

[@eden_essence]

OH LORD. I just tested K. Rool’s belly armor. It can block *Warlock Punch (with no turnaround).*

[@Rarest26]

It blocked a HOME RUN BAT in the video. That speaks for itself

[@lelainemorato]

Was that buff even necessary

[@Fin0fLenster]

@@lelainemorato Belly was pretty easy to break depending on the matchup before. Considering how massive the downside to having the belly broken is, it's really not something that should be happening very often outside of super fringe cases. Belly break for using armour too much is the sort of thing that should dissuade people from using it constantly, not something that's borderline a weakness to have slapped on moves where you'd prefer no armour altogether so there's no potential for belly break.

[@danmoran1637]

@@Fin0fLenster I agree completely. K. Rool was suffering from having a unique wide variety of situations where the player could face a broken shield punish.

[@trevaughnsmith506]

Thank God his belly breaks too consistently against certain characters after 3 or 4 hits

[@victorreznov1440]

Kirby mains: Everyday we stray further from balance

[@itriggerpeople4433]

I will *BOYO* you into a fully charged side B

[@ItsaMeGarbo]

i would like to say *_9_*

[@condor6327]

I just want them to fix his recovery man; that shit clips through the stages infrequently, but it still happens more times than it should.

[@N12015]

@@condor6327 He needs just air speed. I know Kirby is slow in the air, but first of all, he is not that slow in the air. Also an actual special kit would be so useful; a reliable proyectile, an usable recovery tool, or something who is not stone as his down special or hammer in his side special...

[@deletethis5699]

MK mains: holy shit we can play this character again

[@Luigikid]

just what we needed. thanks for going through all this! appreciate it

[@sparktwochristopher7240]

Why does this have no replies??

[@IMLiteralInsanity]

Bc no one cares

[@kirbydied2875]

@@IMLiteralInsanity exactly

[@matpakgaming4278]

@@sparktwochristopher7240 I completely feel you. This should have more!

[@ilikepeopleand4462]

@@matpakgaming4278 what exactly should the comments look like?

[@lucke7193]

Ganon mains: Every patch we stray further from a winning mu😢

[@ShadowKryzis]

F

[@buffango8399]

F

[@frogturtle]

problem with ganon is that he is "designed to be bad", it's not just his stats. nintendo will never want to break the trope of "ganon is really strong but really slow!" even though there are characters that literally excel at everything in this game lol. F

[@ArsTheurgiaGoetia]

enjoy continued wins on cell phone internet

[@Alphadog2064]

Definitely. But I will never stray from my one true main

[@MusicalLugia]

FINALLY SAKURAI BUFFED HIS OWN SON -wish he was a bit faster movement-wise, but I'm more than happy with this-

[@TE72GOD]

We just gotta convince him to swap Kirby's and Puffs airspeeds. :)

[@Laughman-ih3db]

Actually Kirby got buffed ever since Terry came out, then when Byleth came out he was one of the many characters that got their shield buffed, and to me, the 8.0.0. buffs are probrably the biggest buffs Kirby has ever gotten.

[@Sadahiko312]

KIRBY GANG REJOICE

[@itzmatte3072]

@@TE72GOD no :( cause puff will be the worst character so speed up Kirby air speed

[@check_about_right_fucking_now]

KIRBY MAINS UNITE

[@mr.rad-guy3767]

Bayonetta: gets buffed Previous Smash 4 players: (Nervous laughter) Good for you Bayo players...

[@nopenopenopepikachu5206]

This was legit. When I was reading the patch notes and saw so many bayo buffs the smash 4 me started sweating profusely.

[@brunogaxiolagonzalez8932]

I think they fixed Bayo instead of buffing her, considering her position in sm4sh 😅

[@megamilo95]

@@nopenopenopepikachu5206 good lmao

[@jahmairtrott4635]

Trust me these "buffs" don't do that much for her, she still not killing u off the top reliably, f smash getting stronger is nice but it's still slow n avoidable n the changes to f tilt means nothing cause that move is still garbage. Up tilt connecting like how it should have all this time is convenient but not game or meta changing n sdi was basically non applicable to most aspects of this game anyway. Side b having a couple of frames of end lag removed won't be enough to put her back to her glory days. Bayonetta's place in the tier list is no different than it was before

[@the_bookworm8281]

Looks like they replaced Ike's up B with his final smash. :p - Also, the buffs to Falco, C. Falcon, Ike, and Pit are especially spicy this patch. They seem to be the most buffed from the update. Poor Ganondorf is left in the dust though...

[@cerdi_99]

ike's changes aren't just buffs tho

[@KingShadowOmega]

Could be worse for Ganondorf mains...you could be a Little Mac main who got their hopes up when they saw his name, only to see he didn't actually get anything LOL.

[@namelessshadow3845]

Corrin's buffs though... I can rely on Corrin's side B and Forward smash more now! They buffed both Corrin and Marth's Tipper type moves! Also that jump out of side B getting buffed... that is just a blessing!

[@nopenopenopepikachu5206]

@@cerdi_99 Is anyone not going to mention the crazy ass buffs that incinaroar got they buffed both of his gimmicks. im excited to see where this goes.

[@Huanchee]

Little mac mains haven’t had to deal with the fact that their character has been one of, if not the, worst character in the game, 3 games in a row. In 4 mac was mediocre, but still was more viable than ganondorf ever could hope to be. And max obviously was just an AT in brawl. Ganondorf has been consistently trash since brawl. He hasn’t even been able to crawl into low-mid territory. He’s always been either dead last, or second to last, in each of the past 3 games.

[@Roi_Lipoulpe]

"Has more knockback" and the blue line cannot be seen anymore... *Chuckles* I'm in danger

[@silviox8637]

"Ridley's down b acts as a grab now" Banjo: *why do I hear boss music?*

[@adrher1999]

Doesn't work on wonderwing tho. More of a hit-grab than a grab

[@pinstrowmcgee8444]

I find it funny that they placed random min min gameplay at the end of the video for the sole purpose of getting the video to 10 minutes lmao

[@insertnamehere2462]

Shhhhh They need the ad revenue

[@monochromesoul5873]

And they deserve it too, they're giving the visual patch notes that are easier to understand. I think they can get away with it.

[@bruhdude9751]

It’s smart tho

[@FSSmash]

@@insertnamehere2462 yea

[@bluebomb4890]

It's no skin off my back.

[@LloydTheZephyrian]

"For more details, you can check the offical patch notes." Yeah, they *really* do make a lot of sense. Though let's be honest, if they're trying not to scare more casual-minded players by not using competitive terminology, they're doing a pisspoor job of doing so. At least competitive terminology is clear, concise and quick. A lot of the wording Nintendo uses is tricky, and doesn't even describe the specifics (like HOW much did they increase [x attack]'s "launch distance"), and the wording usually doesn't make much sense. Example: "Grab attack" implies the act of pressing attack while grabbing someone (a pummel), but in actuality, it's talking about the act of grabbing itself. A nice solution would be a clear guide as to what means what, and possibly a way to toggle a "in a nutshell" mode and a "see ALL the details" mode.

[@WolfTamer]

I'm just confused as to why they put "made it easier to connect multiple times" as opposed to "attacks connect better into themselves." Their explanation assumes that the person is just spamming that attack over and over again.

[@raghavarun9275]

ikr! terminology used by the community is so much more intuitive than Nintendo's cryptic messages

[@raghavarun9275]

It's better than nothing, though

[@getbn6547]

Lol, at least it's better than the translated page. www.nintendo.co.jp/support/switch/software_support/aaab/detail/800_fighter.html

[@fernandobanda5734]

Some things are translated a bit poorly, but other than that they're just being consistent with THEIR terminology. Nothing wrong with that. The only reason that you don't understand "breaking falls" is that you don't know it, not that it's not descriptive.

[@JonGon005]

7:06 Ah yes, I will now be unstoppable against the dreaded Home Run Bat. Truly K Rool is a god amongst mere low tiers now

[@benmay1294]

Casual hell

[@Matthew-uz5fn]

he can now take a doriyah with it now

[@BigForAHedgehog]

People be calling him the worst heavy. But I see potential.

[@skyisdeaf904]

He's mid tier.

[@huskofmanga9086]

I don't think he's a low tier tbh, more a mid tier I think ☺

[@thealmightypuht.a.p.]

I am a strong believer that unless a character breaks the game (example: Smash 4 Bayo) then you should focus on buffing weaker characters instead of nerfing stronger ones. Even if the best characters get knocked down a peg it won’t really matter because the other characters are still bad. Buffing bad characters is better than nerfing good ones and makes the game mire interesting from a competitive stand point and more enjoyable for people who want to play their favorite characters that are bad.

[@GodoMatrix]

exactly. I remember when they nerf Pichu, it completely killed my motivation to use him anymore.

[@glint8824]

@@GodoMatrix I'm glad they nerfed Pichu and they nerfed him without making him garbage (I still see committed players do impressive things with him). Before the nerfs, someone was playing Pichu every other match and they all played the same way (the lightning loops weren't hard to perform). It was awful.

[@KevSB07]

@@GodoMatrix My question is why did Pichu get nerfed but Pikachu get ignored. I would like some nerfs for Pika.

[@jp3718]

Totally agree. Nerfing Pichu was especially bad because Pikachu was practically the same character and same strength, so Pichu is literally just useless other then novelty and loyalty

[@KevSB07]

@@jp3718 I mean in terms of movement and gameplay they are fairly distinct. As in, there's a reason to prefer one over the other for a reason unrelated to tiers. But still, I don't see how Pichu was deserving of a huge nerf but not Pikachu.

[@carlosfranklinponcealvarad2919]

I'm so happy that my boy Corrin finally got buffed 🥺🥺🥺

[@stanz47]

For 1:20: the point of buffing falcon’s raptor boost, is not just to get an extra little bit further on a standstill enemy. When enemies used to walk away, raptor boost would activate and he would try to hit them up, but it would miss. For example if you used a raptor boost on a Lucian pre-patch while she was walking away, it would not hit her up. In the new version, when you actually reach someone with raptor boost, even if they are running in the opposite direction the raptor boost will catch them and throw them up. So no more raptor boost whiffs basically Sorry for typos, did this on mobile.

[@GobouLePoissonBoue]

Lucian? Lucina you meant?

[@SDbait]

@@GobouLePoissonBoue nah man, lucian, from league of legends. the guy with 2 guns. he means bayonetta!

[@robloxoof5077]

Lucian? I didn't know that random people from ffxv are in smash

[@bowserjrimacasualshutup6754]

ok so for ridley's skewer it still did a ton of damage despite it not stunning at all *n e a t o*

[@T4nkcommander]

Good catch. That isn't so bad then.

[@johnrico3895]

Oh thank God, I thought they destroyed the one reliable combo into skewer we Ridley mains have lol

[@Kalobi]

@@johnrico3895 Well, it is unsafe on hit now, which isn't great.

[@thewolfman5362]

@@Kalobi but it's still a lot of damage. Probably more than they could do to you in that situation.

[@Thepenguinking2]

@@thewolfman5362 I doubt it. With how big Ridley's hitboxes are, the combo's easily punishable. Sure, 62% is nice and all, but is it worth likely getting comboed off the stage?

[@tacobottle4217]

Take a shot every time he says “more knockback”

[@roar6503]

I would die

[@yieschu]

KnockbaAck*

[@newbie-3-691]

Lag*

[@yifanruan192]

*nogbag

[@javiercalvo9944]

Endlag*

[@Nein01]

4:21 "sadly" doesn't work anymore? It's a good thing that the devs fix broken play like this.

[@Thecrimsonchin0]

ATTENTION MY FELLOW WII FIT TRAINERS -down tilt is now a tech chase tool. So we can get tech chase bury confirms much easier -Nair-up smash, not just Nair 1, but 1 & 2. (Just trust me, this is broken) -true 0-death combo on heavies (with deep breathe) -back hit of fair is -2 on shield now, so it’s fairly safe -SALUTE THE SUN ☀️

[@tacticixn]

I’ve been waiting for this!!!

[@julo_ghost]

I'm I the only person who realizes this: every time someone got is Neutral B buffed, Kirby also get buffed! Better Neutral b = better Neutral b for him!

[@captainpep3]

I never thought about that...

[@justinjohnston8923]

does it work like that? seems like kirby's ability would have diff damage or knockback (not a kirby player)

[@Sirmatorz]

Nah it’s the same

[@julo_ghost]

@@Sirmatorz No, it is not. It won't make sense, because Kirby literally "copied" his opponent, so he gets the characteristics from the Neutral B. So he gets the buffs as well. I'm not mad. I just realize that like, yesterday. ;)

[@julo_ghost]

@@justinjohnston8923 It won't make sense, because Kirby literally "copied" his opponent, so he gets the characteristics from the Neutral B. So he gets the buffs as well. I'm not mad. I just realize that like, yesterday. ;)

[@Zehaha2]

"infinite combo *sadly* doesn't work anymore" in what universe is an infinite combo good for a fighting game

[@TheTrueBrawler]

Is there an Ice Climbers infinite yet? Even if it was later patched?

[@Cristeve]

@@TheTrueBrawler There's a really hard Ice Climbers infinite combo

[@NCozy]

To be fair setups into it are kinda difficult even if it has been done in tournament

[@andreimarsic6607]

Diddy's infinite made him a high tier at best because it was so impractical and hard to pull off. Now that its gone, diddy is back to being a mid tier at best 😞

[@Joltz9]

only for the people performing the infinite

[@vengeance6801]

Hearing "SDI during her Up Special is now less effective" makes me so happy. I can't tell you how useless that move can be when you're up against a lightweight who can SDI upwards to their hearts content. I'm talking about Bayo btw

[@jadebayoba7073]

Yeees finally Bayo got buffs

[@digitalunity]

I'm honestly a little wary. I don't like seeing the Top Blast Zone 0 to Death... Call me crazy, but no one should have a kill combo from 0 that works anywhere on the stage.

[@vengeance6801]

@@digitalunity Thing with Bayo is that it actually requires skill and perfection with your timing. The only true 0 to death I can do is one that also kills me but kills my opponent at the same time. If you've played Bayo before you know how stressful it is to play her with her disgusting end lag, unfunctional moves etc... and Witch Time is worse than ever. Not even having hit priority doesn't even feel like a counter to me. Bayonetta also doesn't have a true 0 to death off the top of the screen. The video you saw of Capt. Zack doing that combo to Zero was because we was DI'ing upwards. Please do not DI up, it's the worst escape option by far right now.

[@andresmiltongutierrezorteg2764]

Wish the move have a bit big hitbox, at least could hit someone from behind that is close,

[@Sax_By_Mas]

Lucas got a shadow buff to his pivot grab hitbox. The blindspot has been fixed and now the grab covers the space closest to Lucas.

[@m_e_nere]

They barely touched Ridley. I just want up throw to kill before down throw

[@sizzle_falco]

How about no

[@m_e_nere]

@@sizzle_falco how about yes?

[@HONEST-xj4rr]

Notice how so many down throws are stronger than up throws

[@brianwallace2038]

@@HONEST-xj4rr Notice how so many down throws are combo starters and so many up throws are kill throws

[@chaotixthefox]

@@HONEST-xj4rr Not many, they're usually combo starters.

[@zush16]

I just wanted to thank you guys for going through a lot of time to make these patches more understandable. You guys are amazing!

[@killager6767]

I’ve always hoped that Villager’s down air would return to smash 4 levels of speed I’m sooo glad they made it faster. Also the invincibility frames for up tilt were needed, it wasn’t as good as in smash 4 imo.

[@solt5799]

I wish villager just got deleted

[@AffyMoon]

@@solt5799 but why

[@smashssf2_ssbc15]

@@solt5799 ok salty kid

[@killager6767]

solT You are entitled to your own opinion, even if it is fucking dumb

[@jijmotorp3079]

Before that patch up tilt was a terrible move

[@masterofdoom5000]

I find Villagers up tilt invincibility to be one of the more "woah" buffs, turning it from a generally unimpressive move to a genuine anti air.

[@Heebie-Deebies]

This is the only video I could find with a side by side comparison. Thanks!

[@kayleesmith9757]

I'm glad Mewtwo got a change in endlag, especially the down throw. I have a habit of using it, but now I can actually get better combos from it.

[@Cerialos]

YESSS i’ve been waiting for this thanks for doing these guys!

[@XenobladeXSupremacy]

Finally! Bayo may be slightly viable now

[@CanalJumentossauro]

I play a lot against Falco and K. Rool and I claim that Falco's d-air and K. Rool's armors were definitely an unnecessary change.

[@dynamo_lynn]

K. Rool's Krown can now tank up to 14.4% in 1v1. This is DOUBLE the amount he could take before the patch. This is a huge change. It means K. Rool can now actually tank and challenge opposite projectiles in zoning matchup such as Snake or the Links, as well as almost every aerial in the game. While he can still be grabbed while using the move, this is still great. And more belly armor means he can win more interactions and for longer with the additional health. This is also a big buff.

[@fissilewhistle]

Falco needs all the help he can get. Every little bit helps.

[@MBK812]

Falco feels fine. As for K. Rool.....I can live with the increased damage and super armor buffs, but the belly taking longer to break is lame

[@misfortunecookie4362]

MBK812 deal with it. It was way too easy to break his armor before the patch. Most of the cast were able to force a belly break super early. The increase the armor got now means other characters who are better than him have to work harder to break his armor. In other words, it balances the game more. Top tiers can no longer just throw out one single move and destroy it. It’s a healthy buff that makes K. Rool better and helps with a lot of his shitty matchups.

[@ADAJ342]

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[@caseyquinton9322]

Who else is here because they main a low tier.

[@Kizaco]

Kirby

[@frankysmagic4169]

Bro One I main yoshi who I think is a mid to high tier but some people think otherwise

[@LuneAria]

Robin :( they are low mid tier or smth but they feel so wrong to play. Oh well, maybe next year.

[@JamyJamal]

Lol... I main King K. His buffs defo make it better to play as him. The belly armour improvement alone was a massive buff. I is happy! 😋

[@captainnwalps6689]

Corrin

[@dylanr.7760]

Btw Ike has high percent nair confirms. I’m pretty sure nair->jump->up-B connect around 70ish but don’t quote me. Also I love this patch so much!

[@ethanroumpf8923]

It is rough being a Ridley main. We were praying for 5 months just to get nerfed

[@kingdedede5570]

us dedede mains waited 6 whole years since sm4sh so join the club

[@NoshuHyena]

He feels incomplete without that mixup now :(

[@ununun9995]

still does 60%, not a bad trade.

[@YounesLayachi]

What nerf ? They just removed the krool+ridley infinite

[@dinosaurusrex1482]

@@YounesLayachi down throw to skewer doesn't work anymore in singles

[@runaway74]

Lucas's pivot grab no longer has a blindspot, and Lylat's ledges were changed to make the wall bigger

[@smashssf2_ssbc15]

Really?

[@murr881]

Thanks for the comparison, glad u guys put the effort into making this!

[@lucaslinck5350]

Love your videos about the patchs, sometimes I don't understand somethings, but with your videos a get all the changes I need to know, thank you!

[@ethan0248910]

Holy cow! My main Marth finally got a buff. He's literally been untouched since launch.

[@ZanKronKa]

Same with meta knight

[@gbjon9044]

K. Rool's side B really needed more armour. I'm glad they addressed this.

[@maxinum346]

And now his belly armor can tank a literal one hit KO move, I’m glad they’re going after the important stuff

[@allstarwoo4]

But who throws that move at point blank? A buff is buff but it's better to down smash.

[@foodfrogs6052]

@@allstarwoo4 I think it's more there for things like projectiles... Or Min Min's ARMS.

[@atsukoisuri]

My fellow Dark Pit/Pit mains, let us rejoice for this day. We are acknowledged.

[@abhishekchoudhury7]

I might actually use up air now

[@N12015]

@@abhishekchoudhury7 Or even better, comboing an up-air into another up-air due to the lower endlag. Seriously, those buffs made the second worst up air in the game into a good juggling tool. The main issue with pit was his underwhelming advantage state.

[@SpeedfreakUK]

>literally only watched this to see the explanation of Ivysaur and Megaman’s tech roll >you didn’t explain it T-thanks

[@Edgeperor]

I hope in the next patch they accept DJCZ as a real thing that should exist and ease up the window on it a bit. I try to be a Lucas main, but it’s hard when you need to do frame-perfect inputs and yet Palutena mains just press A to win

[@eaa1338]

They should focus more on his other moves. Up-b not connecting and not killing, jab being so inconsistent and not doing that much damage, up-smash being - on hit at low% even when fully charged and if palutena spams landing b-airs and you block it with up-smash she can still react and shield it, b-air having a really weak sourspot for no reason, dashattack is slow, magnet only absorbs at frame 7 and hits at frame 20 making it harder to hit because of that windbox, n-air being frame 7, grab being so slow while having less range then young link and d-throw not being useful.

[@saigesmart4167]

2:22 I feel you c5, mewtwo's problems didnt get fixed, hes still too light and has too big a hitbox on his tail and no extra power is going to fix that. But being able to mix up with teleport is kinda nice

[@BigForAHedgehog]

Yep :/

[@HelloHelloHellobby]

These buffs are huge. Especially shadow ball. It is so good in neutral now it’s crazy. Can throw it out all over the place.

[@minixlemonade2335]

The down throw change was his best buff. Not gonna be a top tier obviously, but he might yet be a mid tier

[@N12015]

@@MrSlime-mx4en No one has worst disadvantage state than Little Mac.

[@psyf0x_104]

@@minixlemonade2335 Down throw still doesn't true combo into anything on DI out, but at least now it isn't entirely useless, so that's a plus.

[@santiagoriquelmeayuso2057]

Finally Corrin have some buffs, I´m happy

[@librask3009]

as a fellow Corrin main, I'm more hype for the buffs than I am for Min Min

[@YounesLayachi]

Y'all should be ashamed of yourselves

[@Crinbo]

Same here. I’ll take whatever I can get

[@YounesLayachi]

@@machinegunpiss774 looking forward to not seeing any corrins in tournaments, as always. However, the number of corrins in online doubles was already too high for my taste, and all they do is dash attack and down air.

[@Justin-oq7cm]

Yeah finally!!

[@des4592]

4:26 everyone knew it

[@dosito86]

Excellent work!! I very much enjoy the patch note comparison demonstrations. It's amazing how tiny changes can have big results

[@Nam_gwen]

I like how this update is basically “buff the legends”, or some of the higher tiers of the previous games 64 has kirby Melee has falco Brawl is meta knight Sm4sh is bayo And ultimate ig has k.rool and Ridley but idk about them Really shows that they’re trying to make everyone balanced, whilst knowing the limits to push and how far to take them without making them op. Oh yeah the rest of the characters are cool i guess

[@jetheotaku]

Can wait for them to take it to brawl minus levels

[@nicoxas6608]

I thought the legend of ultimate it was joker.

[@Nam_gwen]

I don’t know the main top tiers on ultimate so you’re probably right

[@damajicdonut]

Lylat also got shadow fixed! The ledges are wayyyy more consistent now

[@Blargleflakes]

6:27 oh god...oh god no....oh god no please no no NOOOO NOOOOOOOO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@dinosaurusrex1482]

We can only hope she remains balanced

[@annoyingporange]

SDI wasn't very good in this game anyway so we have nothing to worry about.

[@Blargleflakes]

Dinosaurus Rex NANIIIIIIII

[@jahmairtrott4635]

What r u bitching about she still garbage n sdi was barely a factor to begin with in ultimate. Now it's just fixed so that people don't just randomly fall out of her up b

[@_Aro_]

Finally! A tipper buff!

[@raisinsryum]

I keep hoping they'll add armor to Jigglypuff's Rollout. She doesn't have many good options for approaching gunners or sword fighters, which is like... Over half the roster. :(

[@jellybean5929]

For some reason, Cfive tells us to check out the patch notes for more detail. Even though they have less detail and use more ambiguous terms.

[@69metersbelow25]

Need this beefy smash back where they were on top of logic and explanations in smash bros.As smash scientist.Miss those guys

[@funkyfox7996]

as a falco main who has been using the character since ultimate's release, i can honestly say i didn't know his up smash was ever supposed to have 2 hits

[@The_Irken_Luxray]

I mainly use him secondarily but same, I just thought it was a one hit move with mediocre knockback

[@webbowser8834]

@@The_Irken_Luxray I didn't even know it had a forward hitbox.

[@YounesLayachi]

You can't be serious. Have you never played in training mode or in previous smash games or against the sandbag ?

[@DrSwazz]

How are you gonna be a Falco main but your name is funky fox

[@funkyfox7996]

@@DrSwazz because my smash bros main isn't an important enough detail in my life that it can dictate my user name?

[@TheDriver458]

Y'all, I think we're gonna see a bit more Ultimate Marths in our future. And I'm all for it.

[@spookster2265]

Thanks for all the hard work in editting these videos so well for the sake of the community

[@Bigcubefan]

I love how you often can notice any difference in the speed of moves when watching in slow-mow, as soon as you watch the regular version, you don't notice anything. :D

[@Ecl1psed276]

When showing Incineroar's revenge buff, you hit the sourspot of the forward smash the first time but the sweetspot the second time.

[@YounesLayachi]

Really ? I thought the buff made it kill

[@julo_ghost]

@@YounesLayachi >:(

[@UltimateTS64]

Even though I read the patch notes, I still like watching these just to see everything in action. And as a Falco secondary, thank goodness they finally buffed that up smash, that's literally the main thing I've been asking for forever. I love the other buffs too, he just feels so much better now

[@AeroLeaf4]

Falco finally got changes

[@ramadrian248]

Ah another fellow falco secondary I see

[@abirdatemytoes4024]

I agree I main falco and the up smash is sooo sooo much better I love it

[@IncineRand]

Instead of buffing my boy Incineroar's speed/recovery, they've seem to have doubled down on his already obscene kill power and emphasis on grabs. Make said grabs reach farther and I'll be a happy camper.

[@NCozy]

Bruh this is the problem with most of the changes. I think a few patches ago Doc got a kill confirm from down tilt which is nice but he still has an ass recovery and is still a worse Mario in nearly every way. Captain Falcon's already strong up Smash was buffed to do more knockback yet people still fall out of it on platforms. It's like the balancing team changes what's already good about a character instead of addressing huge weaknesses.

[@ShawFujikawa]

@@NCozy They just fixed Marth tippers this patch though.

[@petery6432]

@@NCozy Yeah, they are very hit or miss in these patches. Cloud got it really good in 7.0.0 as they addressed his struggle in killing with the Faster Limit charging, Dash attack and Up-smash knockback increases, and recovering with the Up-B ledge grab speed increase and Faster Limit charging. Meanwhile K. Rool gets more knockback on Up-Smash and Dash attack, a better Kill throw, and stronger super armor on the crown toss when the issue with his kit is his ubsurdly slow Frame Data.

[@Endershock1678]

@@NCozy I think the reason they do this is to avoid homoginizing the characters and make them all play to very specific strengths, rather than giving them all fairly similar strengths and weaknesses. Doc for example, is meant to be a stronger Mario (most likely for casual players), with high kill power, brutal confirms, and some powerful moves, in exchange for having a god awful recovery and being slow (that said, his recovery could definitely get buffed). Or how Incin is meant to be slow, hulking, and powerful wrestler style, so it makes sense for him to have a weak recovery and strong grappling and killing game, so as to drive home the fantasy, they kept the slow, hunky, bumbling feel of a super muscly ripping bisceps wrestler cat and gave him the strong heavy grappling game needed for a wrestler. Remember, Smash isn't really a competitive game. It's a party game, and a lot of the game is the fantasy of the character. Granted, IDK why Doc is a slower, stronger Mario, but let's say it's the weight of College Debt and call it a day.

[@Eagereagle536]

@@NCozy Promoting strengths while keeping weaknesses is a design philosophy that keeps characters interesting and diverse. If every character has the same strengths then characters lose their individuality. Although for some instances I think they take it too far or miscalculate (the Falcon Usmash power buff for example) this kind of design philosophy keeps characters interesting.

[@Bafflees]

You forgot to mention that Falcon Kick also comes out much quicker. It's actually a decent burst option now.

[@FelineFlame-dj1xl]

I honestly don’t like how K. Rool can survive a whole SIDE SMASH USING THAT BASEBALL BAT THING

[@digitalunity]

You don't get to be King without the right armor.

[@LIFEofSonic]

I see what you did there. You put over a minute of gameplay at the end to make the vid 10 mins so you get that sweet ad revenue Nice

[@bojangle8850]

I ain’t mad they deserve it

[@apple-de8tx]

it's fine, they can have it.

[@tomc.5704]

And I watched it all =D

[@YounesLayachi]

It was interesting to watch still lol

[@alexschabert754]

I’d honestly rather get mostly buffs then mostly nerfs

[@bryandraws5163]

Same.

[@fall3446]

@Undercooked Smash Bros. Replays Nerf: lowering a character's abilities if they were a bit too op in a previous version of a game Buff: increasing a character's abilities if they were too weak in a previous version of a game

[@bastianokamiro5421]

What a shame that they try to buff mostly on the wrong side of the character, like, heck kirby its starving for more speed for follow ups, or how about more damage or reliable kill confirm for sheik? Im glad for the buff, but i wish they were more focused on the weakpoints of the mid-lower tier characters

[@frogturtle]

buffs is a good start. buffs that actually mean something is another story, at least for some of these characters also please buff ganon and mac like holy shit they're so bad lmao

[@jg1692]

Undercooked Smash Bros. Replays bruh

[@JacktheLightningRipper]

Corrin was always a main for me. So seeing them buffed in this patch makes me really happy.

[@lordroy1466]

Time-list for all Fighters 0:36 Kirby 1:00 Captain Falcon 1:35 Sheik 1:38 Falco 2:12 Marth 2:23 Mewtwo 2:59 Meta Knight 3:13 Pit/Dark Pit 3:38 Ike 4:01 Diddy Kong 4:32 King DeDeDe 4:49 Villager 5:17 Wii Fit Trainer 5:36 Corrin 6:08 Bayonetta 6:29 Ridley 6:48 King K Rool 7:08 Isabelle 7:30 incineroar 7:56 Piranha Plant 8:18 Hero 8:21 Banjo & Kazooie

[@Shady_Fungus]

I’d give you guys a fist bump but your beefyness would probably break my hand, arm, shoulder, soul in the process. Appreciate what you do guys.

[@11086nowell]

Been waiting all day for this! Thanks Doods!

[@fennedict4795]

Since Ridley's downb is considered a grab now, does it go through shields?

[@namelessshadow3845]

IT DOES!!!! OMG!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! I just tested it.... Edit: that also means it goes through counter attacks as well...

[@NintendoKnight1]

No, it does not. It's considered a "hit grab" like Isabelle's Fishing Rod or Terry's Buster Wolf.

[@aidenchoe4971]

@@NintendoKnight1 soo... Does that imply that the comment above you is lying?

[@AngelogreNut]

@@aidenchoe4971 yes hes lying

[@pokegamer1216]

@@AngelogreNut the question is does it work on wonder wing?

[@Pablo-yu9mc]

Increase everyones grab hitbox: :( Increasing grab speed: :)

[@caralambson]

I'm so hyped for ike changes, like I was never a crayon eating Nair spamming ike player, so he basically only had buffs in my book

[@kimgkomg]

I like these changes. Rather than buff a single move to infinity (Smash 4 Bowser) they simply improve the entire character's kit a little bit. They also do a nice job making impractical moves more rewarding land, and while it does nothing for competitive play I definitely think it makes the game more well rounded over all.