Smash Ultimate Patch Notes 13.0.0 - Side by Side Comparison

[@BeefySmashDoods]

Sadly we are having some issues with the merch. We will keep you updated if we find a solution.

[@R0TEK]

Looks awesome

[@balconyhorse3072]

I’m gonna get some.

[@Pizza_Dough1]

Cool

[@Ivy64_]

Is it time limited?

[@orcacle]

I really want the mousepad, but I can't afford it currently. Are the items going to run out or stop being supplied?

[@blerchy]

Man I really hope we do get more balance patches. DLC additions are nice, but I would like my base roster main to get some cool jank too…

[@Seba20901]

who is your main?

[@blerchy]

@@Seba20901 Greninja.

[@hypoKPP]

@@blerchy based. Greninja is really good so idk tho. Maybe if they did a patch like DBFZ where everyone gets buffed (even good characters)

[@PrettyKoolCrocodile]

Agreed!

[@hope7237]

@@blerchy you too man ! Yea the frog for me needs buffs. Up smash needs to be fixed and up tilt should have more range at the end of the move . This two are a must , but if i'm not asking too much i would like also to buff start up and endlag of shadow sneak

[@risualeo]

Incin mains: We need more mobility pls Smash devs: What did you say? DAMAGE BUFFS? SURE!

[@unskilledgamer3642]

the devs clearly don't know how important speed IVs are.

[@ddraven3180]

It's like they want to keep some characters worthless Moron top tier users: "They just wanna keep the characters weaknesses for fairness and making them unique" Meanwhile characters like Joker, Pika and Pythra vibe with little to no weaknesses and as many if not more positives....

[@hypoKPP]

@@ddraven3180 just curious, who do you main?

[@Tonjit41]

Ganon mains: We need anything. Smash devs: No.

[@ddraven3180]

@@hypoKPP no one, don't find it fun. But don't need to main anyone to see that some characters are so blatantly useless and inferior compared to others and offer no reason to be played competitively besides for subjective reasons, and these "buffs" won't change that fact for these characters.

[@MyHatDefinesMe]

More balance patches = more of these showcases! I sure hope we get at least a couple more.

[@TNNI]

yes, we are going to get patch.

[@sevencool2266]

How do you knowl

[@williamwest9204]

@@amadeus.7436 If were only getting one more the game will be dried up in about 1 1/2 years

[@williamwest9204]

@@amadeus.7436 Not really, it was maybe another 5 months then ppl tired of the only cloud and bayo players, then they quit while waiting for ultimate or went back to melee. And you'd think so sept the bigger fighting games stay highly active, with patches and tune ups and support in general for that duration

[@ken7007]

Yall know that last patch in smash 4 was for only bayo which ultimate don't have hey broken character like that for a emergency patch. yall in denial i remember when everyone was so confident about ultimate was gonna be the most patch game. Yet the patches are worser the smash 4 it's almost like they patch things in random

[@NoteofLuck]

Always appreciate these side-by-side patch videos. That Dr. Mario Frame-2 Tornado armor is gonna be mighty useful from here on out.

[@mitchellcampana602]

Id trade it all for better recovery lol

[@Matanumi]

Yeah doc still needs more jump

[@_strayfer_]

Up b kills more consistently now and connects easier to up tilt and down tilt. Up b is now a reliable kill confirm, the change is definitely noticeable

[@friendlyastronaut6462]

@In a Nutshell oh yeah. Mac was already scary against shields but now it's pretty much certain death. And He's got kill confirms now and more consistent setup/combos He's now viable to play

[@Super_Smash_Dude]

@@friendlyastronaut6462 It's beautiful!!

[@philipshin7016]

I honestly really dislike Mac. I think he’s just an example of bad character design and they keep making him more and more polarizing instead of adapting him even slightly towards the genre of game that he’s in

[@friendlyastronaut6462]

@@philipshin7016 His main weakness, in character design, comes in his aerials. When half of your moveset cant be used is a problem. He's actively at an immediate disadvantage. Mac is this game's Glass-Cannon character, absolutely terrifying on the ground, but bad in the air; which doesn't work when the game requires being in the air. If they changed his aerials, either giving them a gimmick or making them stronger, I think he'd be a high mid-tier character. Personally, I find Mac is an entertaining character to watch and play, mainly cause he's like an underdog

[@_strayfer_]

@@philipshin7016 he is flawed, there’s no doubt, but I still think he’s just so fun to play, especially knowing his tier placement and how you’re doubted so much. Mac embodies the underdog.

[@alongwistfulsquiggle8440]

Honestly, Doc's down-b buff isn't the one I was hoping for, but it's nice. I wish it had a little less endlag so it could be used better as a recovery tool. As it stands he rises into the air, but falls back down before he has time to act. Just a couple frames knocked off the end would have made the move better in that regard. Making it a better reversal works, though.

[@Visethelegend]

And here thinking my boy Mario is the one who need buffing. Especially with tilt up and a fewer frames for side B so it can recover faster. Too many times I hace lost lives because side B comes up instead of up B

[@Ridlay_]

@@Visethelegend Mario’s much better than Doc though imo, and overall a great character.

[@Adamski-]

I've wanted that projectile shirt ever since you guys showed it the first time around.. But back then i didn't have a job and no money to actually spend.. But now it's time, the fully complete version shall be mine!!

[@Crxwess]

Ours*

[@Resh-3221]

This man got a job to buy a t-shirt. Great determination there mate. And good thing you unconsciously waited for the fully completed version. But its never complete with out a good ol pal waluigi sad he never got added.

[@markmossington3027]

I wonder how they come up with these "balances" at Nintendo. I sure as heck wouldn't sit there and think, "you know what? I think Zeldas jab should have 1 less frame of end lag."

[@mxtoastytoad]

I think they use a rng for the character and the move, roll a die for damage or frame data changes, and flip a coin for a positive or negative change.

[@kylewood4488-b9r]

Watch alot players play online judge how certain characters fair against the rest of the roster.

[@mxtoastytoad]

@@kylewood4488-b9r And then do the opposite of fixing it, right? That's why Zelda and K.rool got buffs, right?

[@chrisn.8322]

Telemetry most likely. They should have an idea which characters aren't being played much, as well as which moves aren't being used much. If a move isn't being used much, ask yourself why. Answer the question and you can troubleshoot solutions.

[@hypoKPP]

Imagine how hilarious it’d be if they nerfed a top tier like Joker or Palutena by adding a frame to jab. I’d lose my mind

[@hypoKPP]

I’m just happy they acknowledged Isabelle over Villager. She needed that push.

[@Kragglover2003]

ig

[@spyro_23]

She’s got buffed in at least 5 different patches now and hasn’t changed lol

[@hypoKPP]

@@spyro_23 I mean, here’s hoping

[@hypoKPP]

I also just mean that last time they gave a major buff, they gave a better one to Villager so Isabelle stayed irrelevant

[@BlobstoF]

As a villager main i'm really depressed

[@HDGamerofficial]

Oh my god Mac finally got Buffs, I don’t care how little it affects his gameplay, just to finally see him get MULTIPLE THINGS other than 1 more active frame of up smash 👏👏👏

[@kylewood4488-b9r]

Neutral B is 9 frames faster. That's a huge buff if you ask me. Perhaps its usable finally besides being a super armored Falcon Punch

[@Phun-Bun]

@@kylewood4488-b9r if only if it was super armor. It has 8% damage based armor while charging, and 12% damage based armor fully charged

[@Dragonstar166]

*Feels the rising power of Peanut*

[@CreepyConnor]

@@kylewood4488-b9r it's really not that big of a deal tbh. The only times you generally use it are for arial super armor, since it's usually way too slow on the ground. Mac needs movement, not damage buffs.

[@MilesAway]

@@kylewood4488-b9r 1¹

[@UltimateTS64]

Glad to see them buffing the low tiers, but as a Ridley main, kinda sad we didn't get a better buff for the last major one

[@martinvadakara7759]

same

[@BuetifullPersun]

All I wanted was be able to spam skewer

[@abbasalisaiyed8713]

As a belmont main, at least you got buffed haha

[@Matts44444]

I find it a little ridiculous that they haven’t buffed him by this point… I know, I know, the classic low tier main complaining that their character needs a buff but honestly he struggles against so much of the cast that he really could have used a pretty considerable set of buffs, imo more percent on his tilts or at the very least a speed buff or sweetspot buff to skewer to make it a usable move. And don’t even get me started on his dair, this has to be one of the worst damn moves in the game. It usually ends up killing you when you buffer a downtilt at the ledge, it has mediocre knockback/damage and trying to land a spike with it is a joke. Would have loved an actual spike or at least something a little faster if he maybe traveled a bit less distance

[@UltimateTS64]

@@Matts44444 Yeah, but I still use him since he fits my playstyle the most, so unfortunately I just have to tough it out

[@scarletvrgames568]

I came for the comparison and ended up hyped that the projectiles design is both back AND complete.

[@muglokdecrepitus1301]

Yeah is really cool but I like more the second version is like more clear, and u can see and differentiate every single element instantly

[@dextra_24703]

I think little macs up b is Knockback Growth increase not a flat increase.

[@freddiesimmons1394]

If true, it should have shown up on the chart

[@StickMaster500]

Despite everything, Pikachu had remained untouched since launch

[@hypoKPP]

One god, now and forever

[@M1sterE321]

Since launch of Smash 4 😄

[@justasupercalifragilistice9508]

Really?

[@ariasariamis712]

He actually received one small buff, but yeah.

[@anankos795]

I wonder if some of the Pikachu mains will celebrate with a nice stack of pancakes.

[@R0TEK]

I'm glad the smash devs decided to buff the low tier characters instead of nerfing the high tiers (besides Pikachu, he deserves nerfs).

[@ddraven3180]

With useless buffs that will literally accomplish nothing, as did all previous buffs to these characters

[@tjlnintendo]

@@ddraven3180 Angry as usual lol

[@4xzx4]

@@tjlnintendo The characters will mostly be in the same position as before, sadly.

[@wonderful_whiscash9534]

@@tjlnintendo he’s right tho, these buff don’t help them a ton (tho puffs are actually kinda crazy)

[@ddraven3180]

@@tjlnintendo if the devs got good at making balance change, I wouldn't need to point out their garbage

[@SegaDisneyUniverse]

I'm just some random guy on the internet, but I just want to thank BSD for all the best Smash Balance updates on YT (in my opinion) your videos for the past 3 years has definitely helped me better understand the buffs and nerfs of my favorite characters, compared to most people who just reads it out on the official website. Plus, I learn better from observation lol.

[@DanielKimdanielkim90]

Thank you always for the quick turnaround on these side by side post patch videos! Whether this is the last one for a while or if we have a couple more, please know that your work on these videos is so much appreciated!

[@nickclark1815]

WOW, they finally buffed Little Mac! Maybe his up tilt won’t suck now, because at lower percents it was minus on hit.

[@obeserob5027]

Funnily enough, Mac may be the most common character in balance patches. It's just all his buffs besides 3.1.0 and 13.0.0 were pretty insignificant

[@solarshenron]

It has two extra frames of hitstun which opens up new combo routes but otherwise is not significant at all and the buffs overall will not impact Mac noticably

[@giannistek1]

I'm probably the only one who liked to do up tilt at 0 percent then to get the opponent to 15% ish with two up tilts and then try to fish for a down tilt -> KO Punch.

[@Whodjathink]

@@giannistek1 nah I do the same, lol. Though I've had more luck landing KO Punch after up tilt than I do with a down tilt

[@christiancasaverdepertica1802]

@@obeserob5027 Weren't most of the buffs he got universal? I don't remember any character specific ones for quite a while

[@QuintessentialWalrus]

Smash 4 actually got 2 patches after Bayonetta released. One was a massive balance patch for the entire cast including Bayo nerfs, and the other was exclusively Bayo nerfs. Fingers crossed!

[@GhettoBagel]

I doubt it's possible cuz it'd be a copyright/licensing nightmare, but I'd 110% buy a shirt with every character's weapon on it. Like the Master Sword, Monado, DDD's hammer, Keyblade etc.

[@leonardohenriquez7814]

Even if we don’t get anymore patches, (Which I hope we do get more) I just want to say thank you for making these videos for all these years. You guys are doing the Lord’s work!

[@eelikuusniemi.3513]

They will propably make 1 more patch, becouse there are some event spirits still unavaiable, and they are always made avaiable on the spirit board at a later date.

[@affrything]

you called it

[@nesswednesday2976]

So apparently, not all of the spirits were released alongside patch 13.0.0. This means there's at least one more patch somewhere in the future

[@fernandobanda5734]

Spirits are patched in all the time. Doesn't always imply a balance patch

[@sixarmedpsycho_9]

13.1?

[@Matanumi]

14.0 Watch their be one FINAL character to "break the seal"

[@GameStrikerX2]

@@Matanumi If there would be one last character it'd probably be if they made a version of the game that came with all characters, plus one bonus character, that'd be my guess lol, it'd be something small and gimmicky though kinda like Plant, so maybe someone like Waluigi, not crossing anyone's fingers though

[@WizeGuyz2023]

There will likely be 2 more balance patches with the game. One more will be the "final" patch, and a second one will come through with a few minor tweaks based on feedback

[@Patrick-bn5rp]

What are your guy's thoughts on making merch with every sword from every sword character in the game? (Or even including like... Sheik's dagger from her final smash)

[@evergreen8600]

I love this idea

[@UnknownSpooky]

Only if Kazooie is part of it

[@unacuentasinvideos4910]

I want my falchion!!

[@heliart6155]

Maybe with the throne from games of thrones ( I doubt that there is enough swords tho)

[@Kikonut15]

@@UnknownSpooky YES

[@ryusoulger9127]

I got Doc buffs so I'm happy, Puff is gonna be interesting though. I know people wanted more substantial changes but like, I dunno man.

[@Supersteam09]

Everyone seems to forget Sora has a counter.

[@zam6211]

ngl, sometimes i do xd

[@dontreadthiscomment3026]

Ikr

[@anonymousmadlad433]

Yeah, I end up using Daisy's a lot more. Maybe it's easy to get caught up in how aerodynamic Sora is!

[@clayton_games]

The patch notes are only the first five minutes? Sure I'll watch a Sora ditto match by you guys.

[@MrEvilGrin]

After all these years, K Rool's boxing glove finally has a hitbox.

[@torchofgenesis]

AWESOME! The merch shirts are actually available in larger sizes this time around! You guys are the best, thanks for thinking of us larger folk this time around!! I picked one up for sure, thanks for all the content you make! Stay beefy!

[@Conrad_the_renegade]

It was nice to see Mac get some love in this patch same with Incin honestly. But still holding out for more patches in the future to help other characters too

[@timothyCdarnell]

Y’all put a lot of hard work into these videos. Grinding them out to get a quality product out as fast as possible. As a long time viewer. Thank you for staying Beefy.

[@VB3Pac]

We actually had 2 patches after Bayonetta. 1.1.5, which was possibly the biggest update in Smash 4 history, and 1.1.6 which was the Bayo nerf patch

[@ddraven3180]

Yes, but there's no guarantee we will get anything now

[@SegaDisneyUniverse]

Let's not forget that they also nerfed Ganon's side special self-destruct tool. R.I.P Ganoncide.😞

[@djdrizzy9139]

Lots of insane buffs and dlc nerfs were in 1.1.5. I pray that they'll do the same with Ultimate, now that they don't have to focus on new characters. They can't leave Kirby hanging for 17 months!

[@MerryBlind]

Exactly. I remember being suuuper hyped when that patch dropped out of nowhere. IIRC they literally fixed Samus in one big swoop, bringing her from like Bottom Tier to High Tier.

[@VB3Pac]

@@MerryBlind its also when they nerfed sheik down throw

[@andymcclurg9916]

That's the Joker adjustment we were all clamoring for, a Final Smash buff!

[@Kikonut15]

not to mention hero

[@mute_cebu_]

Thank you for your service, BSD.

[@amoura39]

I love your (PLURAL) side-by-side comparisons! I think y'all are the only ones who show such comprehensible displays of the update changes! It's appreciated!

[@HateSonneillon]

I never knew Mac's fsmash attacks had so many differences between the 3 variations until checking after this buff.

[@F0XD1E]

Gonna miss these videos if we don't get any more patches. Thanks for all the work you've always put into these in a timely manner! New shirt design looks sick.

[@rye-breadstick]

As a rosa player I feel like the changes to luma are a little detrimental ): being able to short hop-side b with luma while rosa gets away is like crucial to the way i play

[@SherryDC]

yeah, besides the knockback buff on luma d-smash that was a nerf for rosa.

[@Gatchu137]

It's different, but it's not necessarily detrimental. Having multiple active projectiles that can follow you while you're advancing or retreating, as well as having Luma stick to you more closely, is much better than being able to jump at your opponent while Luma stays in place. It's different, but it's way more useful this way.

[@koriankimchi]

Once again expressing my gratitude for these breakdowns. Thank you so much!

[@SeenAGreatLight]

Hey hey, always good to see Lucario getting some love! We blue-dog mains are a small, but mighty lot. XD

[@spicypepperz]

Nice to see doc get some love

[@funnydishrag1267]

no ganon buffs or pikachu nerfs, but thank god joker's final smash endlag has 1 less frame on it am i right guys

[@itsmevarnami]

It's actually 10 frames lol

[@linkonar7823]

Because Smash is so much more than the competitive aspects? Because Sakurai and the Smash team doesn’t have to cater to literally everything people complain about? Because your perspective of who should get buffed or nerfed is subjective, and the devs may not think or agree with you or anybody on the same topic? Not to be rude, but the truth is that the devs don’t have to strip down and cater to everything the public tends to complain about.

[@elmaionesosexo]

@Jor Dan just fixing the pancake would be all

[@exoticbutters7109]

@@linkonar7823 thanks for completely missing the point and being a huge giant asshole about it.

[@cinderacedr]

You know as much as I love Cinderace, I really wanted him in the game because he's my favorite pokemon. Sora was the best pick and it was so smart and amazing that they did that, great job to Nintendo! And thank you for these update videos they are super helpful!

[@hypotheticaltapeworm]

But did we really need another final evolution of the fire-type starter Pokémon? That'd be the third one.

[@fodv93]

Here's hoping Kirby and Meta Knight get buffs in future updates. They really need it

[@CaptainDCap]

Though both characters wouldn't mind getting some love, Meta Knight doesn't particularly NEED buffs. The top MK mains all rate him a solid top 35 character. He just has bad matchups against most of the top tiers. That said, if I had to pick some improvements for him it'd be: • More hit-stun on U-tilt (Allow it to start combos) and a scoop hitbox. (It whiffs on many characters even if they are in jostle range with MK) • Increase horizontal air speed (So DI Out isn't a get out of jail free card out of his combos any more) • Increase standing grab range. (It's easily the worst grab in the game, and can't hit anyone not literally running into his model) I'm not very familiar with kirby, but I suppose it'd be nice to increase his air speed as well. Oh, and drastically reduce the end-lag on inhale when swallowing items. The heal doesn't help when you eat a free f-smash for it.

[@fodv93]

@@CaptainDCap with meta knight, just make his grabs better. It's honestly the worst. For Kirby, I feel he needs better aerial speed and his moves especially his down air do need some much needed power buffs and knock back

[@djdrizzy9139]

@@fodv93 No, don't make Kirby's dair stronger! That would ruin is dair ride combo. Instead, make dair faster; that would make his combo game broken beyond belief.

[@fodv93]

@@djdrizzy9139 oh yeah good point. I also say to make the meteor part of it a bit stronger too

[@spencerwasson5877]

I wish they showcased any differences on Incineroar's newest damage buffs in combination with Revenge.

[@Diamond_Aura]

I wish Lucario got entire moveset reworks, like Up B not traveling the way it does or Down B working more like Meta Knight Down B, but I’m glad he got something at least

[@SuperMrmine]

nah its fine IMO, the thing is to learn to use those moves and the timing

[@Diamond_Aura]

@@SuperMrmine do you actually find Lucario fun in this game? Despite loving Lucario as a Pokémon, as a Smash fighter I feel like he’s not nearly creative enough A huge focus on “hurt boy strong” but little else Nothing with moves like Bone Rush, or even Aura Sphere working the way it does being inaccurate to Pokémon, since Aura Sphere supposedly never misses, so it should theoretically home in at least to an extent “Double Team” being just a weird counter but not able to be used passively, which is, ya know, the main way it’s used in the games or even the anime, way ahead of time in preparation, not as a counter attack Let alone Up B kills the user half the time, and it’s never said that it’s an intentional downside to the move, it just seems like a poorly programmed move… Basically I think he could be way more interesting, and even if only some ideas happened, I’d take an aura nerf for move reworks any day

[@SuperMrmine]

@@Diamond_Aura i love having fun with him in tournaments and winning games i shoudnt doing a crazy comeback, and the reallity, he wont be never reworked, is what it is

[@Super_Smash_Dude]

@@Diamond_Aura I do wish Nintendo was more creative with Lucario's moveset. Bone Rush should have replaced Double Team. Another generic counter. I'm ok with Aura Sphere being able to miss because it would be too strong. Aura Sphere doesn't always hit the opponent in the anime too. As for his recovery, I thought he's recovery was quite interesting in Brawl, but now it should've been changed to something else. It'd be nice if Lucario got a rework. Same with Sonic. He needs a rework much more than any character. Sonic is so poorly and lazily designed.

[@warrensnook9435]

Doc’s buffs were so refreshing. I love Doc and have been playing him since Smash 4.

[@freddiesimmons1394]

I just wish they buffed things into relevance. I'm even of the opinion that small buffs on knockback matter on weak moves because they give you better positioning. But none of these seem like they change anything. It's not like dair is scarier to challenge or something.

[@flutterboypr6481]

After almost 2 years, Little Mac did got buffed, I need only one more thing for him: Increase the knockback on his Up Smash's sweetspot.

[@That_guy_Miggle]

It may be the last balance change for a long time, so I want to say thank you for your hard work in every patch and smash clips video! I appreciate you!

[@kurizu1510]

3:01 Someone really woke up and said "You know you needs more buffs? K. Rool." 🙃

[@bobbylosanno6630]

If this is really the last patch, thanks for this series. Extremely useful!

[@Entelarmer]

We did this boy. K.rool's FSmash is finally usable. Years of begging to fix that dumb hitbox issue paid off. Oh, also, he now has 3 kill throws, which is nice.

[@bigshu14]

2 kill throws?

[@Entelarmer]

@@bigshu14 3 if you count DThrow.

[@Runner4Life543]

What was the issue with FSmash before?

[@bigshu14]

@@Runner4Life543 sometimes wouldn’t hit if the opponent was too close

[@kachosuffer7]

@@bigshu14 it's called a deadzone, I wouldnt call it an issue... guess you have even more reasons to throw it out randomly so congrats!

[@OsakaLover]

I know the Kingdom Key is Sora's iconic weapon, but I kinda wish the different skins had different keyblades. Kingdom Key always looked so bland compared to the other designs. But like...Valor's color had Star Seeker, cause it's what you got when you first got the form, Timeless River Sora would have Monochrome, Final would have Oblivion or Oathkeeper, Wisdom would have...hmm, not too sure about that one. I completely forget what world you unlock Wisdom Form at...

[@navataru]

smash devs: Lets buff ALL the Low Tiers! Ganon mains: ... devs will buff us any day now. We can't be the worst character in the game 3 games in a row, right? RIGHT?!

[@freddiesimmons1394]

His online winrate is positive, i think. It's hard to balance for shitty casuals and everyone else

[@THE_REEEE_KING]

Hopefully we get a down special buff that allows him to go through projectiles, fix his up and forawrd smashes, give him a kill throw, make his aerial flame choke ground opponents, and give him tip man back. One can only dream that he'd actually get a serious series of patches tho.

[@gamingguy1010]

@@freddiesimmons1394 Not at all. Sakurai actually talked about online data in an interview about a year back or so, and said two things: that the most played character online at the time was Cloud, and that the character with the lowest win rate was Ganon. He's got the worst win rate of any character.

[@freddiesimmons1394]

@@gamingguy1010 "Overall, the most used character was Cloud, but in terms of Elite Smash it was Ganondorf, whose Elite Smash win-rate was only around 47.9%, which is on the lower end of the rankings." "every fighter has a win rate of somewhere between 40 and 54%" It's not saying Ganon has the lowest winrate, it's saying that he has the highest USE rate, and that his winrate is on the bottom half of the cast. 47.9 when the span is from 40 to 54 is nowhere neat "the worst in the game".

[@JusticeDrago95]

4:03 Damn that is one beautiful shirt, so happy that we finally got everyone in the game now, what a nice way to celebrate it.

[@doclouis4236]

I wonder why none of the other DLC characters got the same Fighter's Ballot treatment? Wasn't Bayonetta the one who technically won originally?

[@CrazyHand7894]

She never won the Ballot. She was the highest ranking character that could be turned into a character in time to be the last Smash 4 DLC. Everyone higher than her was probably going to be more difficult.

[@JusRed48]

Because they took characters who were high on the fighter ballot from 4 and put them in Ultimate. Sora was originally the winner of the fighter's ballot but Bayonetta was the character with the most votes who was the most realistic to get into the game in terms of timeframe and negotiations. Because Sora involves Disney and Square both, there are a lot of hoops to jump through. Banjo-Kazooie and Sephiroth were also highly requested all-time characters, and for Ultimate specifically it was no secret that a ton of people wanted Steve from Minecraft. Other characters that were popular but simply not interesting/big enough to Nintendo were added as either assist trophies or Mii costumes, like Waluigi, Geno, Shovel Knight, Sans, Isaac, Krystal, Zero, Skull Kid, Bomberman, Shadow, Doom Slayer, Proto Man, and Cuphead.

[@DJLaserzYT]

It was all a lie so the community wouldn't harass other companies. I bet Sora was overwhelmingly the #1

[@mustachio562]

Sora was the one that won but they put bayo in due to extreme licensing problems with disney

[@skyguysZ]

"Among Realizable characters"

[@DaxSchaffer]

Ok, that first stock on the match at the end though was ridiculous. Sora's recovery is unreal!!! 5:32 Thank you for doing these patch videos over the years. They've always been super helpful, and I'm going to miss them now that Ultimate's roster is finally at an end. Hopefully there are still a few more updates down the road :)

[@elmaionesosexo]

i just wish that future patches have better buffs or nerfs, and i hope they also mix the game a bit...and game modes

[@ddraven3180]

What future patches? Lol

[@sonicsucks2961]

@@ddraven3180 We might get more.

[@SmokePudding]

Crazy how half the game modes aren't even available online There's no reason something like Squad Strike or Home-Run isn't playable with friends

[@elmaionesosexo]

@@SmokePudding crazy how the game has 11 bosses but not a Boss Rush mode

[@JasNeo13]

These are the best Smash videos out there. It really makes it easier to understand changes. Great video Doods :D

[@Pokezilla101]

Oh boy, Hero and Joker were really falling in the meta because their sluggish Final Smash endlag. So glad they decided to buff that.

[@fireballftw-]

Amazing new shirt. I love the superb rendering of Wario's awesome bike.

[@crazynaut223]

Apparently they also updated Yoshi's Story, which no longer has Food appear when turned off

[@ddraven3180]

Honestly, the only meaningful change this patch

[@elmaionesosexo]

REALLY?!

[@cerealbruh919]

Holy crap you are right

[@anankos795]

It only took the developers until the last major content update, otherwise almost 3 years since the launch date of the game, to do that!

[@elmaionesosexo]

@@anankos795 its not the last

[@plank2867]

That shirt design is great, for sure picking one up

[@loneklein1880]

I really wish they would have fixed Lucario dtilts launch angle. I really don't see the point of buffing its speed when it's still practically useless for combos.

[@exeggudragon8885]

having a move to poke is nice, but I see what you mean. And I would like to have some buffs to his ground moves to make him more threatening on the ground.

[@killercore007]

At lower %, it can lead to mix up situations. Like if they air dodge, follow and punish it. If they attack, depending on the distance, you counter it for free (More often than not anyway) or buffer an fsmash to punish the landing, can also buffer side b to punish spot dodges. If they do nothing, follow up with a grab or dash attack or even another dtilt. At higher %, it can still put them at an unfavorable position due the the launch angle and can make them prone to baits.

[@Ninblasto]

I was sad to see that there were no Dedede buffs. But at least we got K.Rool buffs. I'm so glad that FAIR got buffed. That is a move I would SD a lot with.

[@freddiesimmons1394]

Yeah now I can dropzone fast fall fair and not die. Wish they did the same for dair

[@samgomez9942]

OH MY GOSH FINALLY, I CANT BELIEVE MY CHARACTER IS NOW VIABLE I kept getting punished as Joker after using my final smash because of all the endlag

[@Devil-hw6ju]

Yeah... seriously, that end lag made me lose the secret EVO event nobody heard of back when smash was available for the gameboy.

[@bryanrodriguez7552]

Thank god been waiting this since sora came out

[@SonicTheCutehog]

Of course Pikachu still doesn't get nerfed

[@sirtoxic5147]

@Jor Dan Tbf literally everyone says he should get nerfed even pro players. Just the pancake removal would be enough tho tbh

[@killercore007]

@@sirtoxic5147 Or cut the length of the thunder jolt arc by half so they can't wifi warrior you just because.

[@gr8645]

If the #1 pikachu player can't dethrone the #1 player overall, I see no reason to nerf.

[@sirtoxic5147]

@@gr8645 That's not how nerfs are done in fighting games

[@divinearclight]

@@gr8645 Esam won a major beating MK Leo twice and destroying him too what are you talking about?

[@1AMdoesSomething]

Because Amiibo is a thing, there has to be at least one more update to add compatibility for the Pyra/Mythra, Kazuya, and Sora Amiibo (Min Min, Steve, and Sephiroth Amiibo compatibility got added in the 13.0.0 update.) This future update could possibly be a balance patch or it could be like the 1.1.7 Cloud, Corrin, Bayonetta Amiibo update back in Smash 4

[@littlemacisunderrated412]

Okay so mac’s up b got more knockback growth. Raised from 190-197

[@kachosuffer7]

should have been 210

[@sarasaland4709]

5:37 Nice to know he never dies to edgeguards.

[@Super_Smash_Dude]

Sakurai wasn't joking that Sora has a good recovery. I think you have a new rival in terms of recovery, Daisy!

[@h0esway244]

I really wish we knew their methods or reasoning for buffing/nerfing characters. It all just seems so random and hardly counts as adding changes to the game. Like what was the point lol

[@kylewood4488-b9r]

So you don't want them to fix things or make certain characters better?

[@oneslickhero4276]

@@kylewood4488-b9r they just feel aimless like how is making Zelda's jab 1 have one less frame of endlag help full?

[@MasterPojoway]

ok in all honesty I’ve never been one to like youtuber merch but that kinda looks really sick

[@techno_217]

Rip Ganondorf aka the new worst character in the game

[@DarkGerson]

Suave

[@itsmevarnami]

He always was

[@manelneedsaname1773]

@@itsmevarnami idk, I'd say that was Dr Mario

[@elmaionesosexo]

why RIP?

[@itsmevarnami]

@@manelneedsaname1773 nope

[@TheG119YT]

Odd how Ridley’s grab can cancel sooner yet it still did more dmg than the pre updated version.

[@Gatchu137]

I'm guessing it just canceled before the next tick of damage was added on during the drag.

[@hopebagel215]

I hope they tweak sora a bit before they stop updating the game completely

[@lucario5717]

As i say, hope after a bit we get one or two patches to balance even more the game

[@VegitoBlackityBlack]

As Mac main I'm happy and disappointed. Took them till the game is at its end to fix that BS.

[@Poochyvert]

5:38 the 2 side-b and the up-b that they do is at the rhythm of the music

[@Peter-bz9yb]

The poor mid-low tiers in this game that never get talked about keep getting f'd over. (Robin? Wii Fit? Belmonts? Dededede?)

[@Cristeve]

They're... ok

[@freddiesimmons1394]

Ddd got stuff not long ago, wii fit is ok, and there is a Belmont who does really well. They're not as unrepresented as like... pit

[@Peter-bz9yb]

@@freddiesimmons1394 oh THANKS for reminding me those characters are viable. I'd almost forgotten about that Belmont upset on Leo 🙄. Why can't I wish more than one character gets buffs... i wasn't trying to exclude your Pit

[@freddiesimmons1394]

@@Peter-bz9yb i don't play pit, don't make stupid assumptions

[@Electro4890]

I like these side by side comparison

[@jumpstar64]

I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS

[@dabi_]

Damn that Mac forward-down smash is juicy.

[@jeremyleyland1047]

Why?!? Why couldn't you show a blank screen as pre patch, and then show a post patch screen buff with Sora on it

[@waynemidnight7454]

Final Projectile Barrage looks so cool!

[@gagewaltner3326]

I watch all of these and I play the game quite a lot, but can anyone explain if most of these buffs actually matter? When most of them are minus 1 or 2 frames, or change knockback to where you can hardly tell, does it matter?

[@notjeckup]

The only ones that might actually matter are the jigglypuff and Mac buffs

[@Tonjit41]

Hitboxes lingering longer usually doesn't matter. Speed increases are a pretty big deal. Knockback isn't usually a big deal. End lag reductions are the biggest deals.

[@ddraven3180]

Most of these won't matter and any that do will be by such a small margin that they may as well not be counted

[@ayar2]

as a game with over 80 characters, they dont want to mess up the overall balance too much, think of it as a JENGA game, they're removing the top pieces (the safer ones) instead of the base pieces (the more risky ones that could cause the tower to crumble)

[@ddraven3180]

@@ayar2 so they are keeping worthless characters worthless, got it

[@tcssb4803]

Great comparison video as usual!

[@star14604]

Have to say for the "last patch" it was very very underwhelming

[@yoyoguy1st]

Honestly all of the patches were very underwhelming.

[@Runner4Life543]

Appreciate the video! Happy my boy KRool got love again

[@VitunVatiVille]

Something is wrong here... Min Min didnt get nerfed!

[@kylewood4488-b9r]

She was nerfed the last 2 patches I don't know what you're problem is

[@VitunVatiVille]

@@kylewood4488-b9r My problem is that the joke flew right past your head but thats ok not everyone gets it.

[@myEGObig]

This was the best video demonstrating the patches, thanks guys!!

[@amoura39]

...I never knew Ridley could cancel his side-B. Every spammer of the move just lets it go as long as they can.

[@Antronix3]

His recovery options are insane!

[@DemonSlayerRX20]

It's so weird seeing Sora in here. He fits so perfectly and yet, it's like he shouldn't be here.

[@4xzx4]

I think we will get more balance patches in the future. (Maybe the next one will come around the end of this year.)

[@_krock-tu_]

Could you possibly be able to cover Nick All-Stars patch notes? That would be neat

[@four-en-tee]

Agreed

[@Wesley-76]

Yesss I play several of these characters so this is exciting news!

[@namelastnamefirst4520]

Honestly, Pikachu and Peach/Daisy should have been nerfed.

[@elmaionesosexo]

just remove the pancake from Pika, the princess are fine how they are

[@namelastnamefirst4520]

@Jor Dan Pikachu is fine other than back air and pancake.

[@namelastnamefirst4520]

@@elmaionesosexo They can break the "Short hop aerials do less damage" rule by floating. Everything else is fine.

[@elmaionesosexo]

@@namelastnamefirst4520 i guess just adjust the float then, but don't get rid of their combos

[@WiiGi]

I instantly bought myself that Projectile shirt. It's amazing!