SMG COMPETITION. Stalker 2 Veteran.

[@brandonhawkins5665]

They call it "ganster" bc you'll have to sling kilos just to afford ammo and repairs lol

[@CobetcknnKolowski]

Thank you for doing a live fire gauntlet, its all well and good to look at spreadsheets and numbers but sometimes the the feeling of a gun really lets it shine.

[@Insanity6419]

I wish the enemies varied more. For example with Monolith their troops should consist of A good amount of Zicron suits with a variety of different head wear, Corundum suits, and Monolith SEVA suits, with Exos being more on the rare side but as you continue through the story you start seeing a few more at time while still seeing a good amount of troops still geared in other suits.

[@swordlion294]

This issue is being noticed by the devs. They said they are looking into this everyone wearing exos issue.

[@slyllamademon2652]

The Buket S-2 is based on the OTS-02 Kaparis. You remember the Kaparis from BO1? It’s that gun. It’s my favorite Grub Gun. Cheap as heck, very strong gun. Use Assault rifles or Sniper Rifles as your primary though, they have better range, can have GL, and can have scopes.

[@booradley6832]

And the Kaparis is based on the Skorpion, just chambered in 9x18 and without requiring royalties. The designs are too closely mirrored to not have one be directly inspired by the other.

[@Roberta-yf4ge]

its a mac-10 not a uzi

[@Turin_Inquisitor]

it's a big mac

[@judsongaiden9878]

"Ingram" is another term. A general term to describe all MACs designed by Ingram. They were manufactured by both Ingram's own company and Military Armament Corp.

[@docwhiskey996]

Yeah an uzi is a waaaaay higher quality firearm.

[@Sepuku78]

With this thing you don’t start with headshot aiming - you start aiming at the waist (center mass) and end the burst on the head.

[@pillagius]

That's a nice usability test. Still, with current balancing there's a rather clear progression and while some guns can hang in there past their "due date", like "Shah's Mate" or "Spitter" - switching to late game Zubr is a definitively better option. I'd even argue that basic upgraded Zubr is better than Ratkiller, simply because 9x19 AP rounds are more readily available, compared to 9x18. Devs did say that at least balancing enemy loadouts is on their radar, so not everyone and even their grand grandma has exoskeleton - maybe we'll have a proper "use what you like" kind of variety. PS: 19:40 - I am so tired of the light/dark lighting balance... You run into the room with a window and a huge hole that supposed to light up the room well, but it's practically pitch black until you turn on the flashlight!

[@DrKurtpool]

I love how 9mm is god tier in this game

[@docwhiskey996]

47 gr hollow points are pretty good irl

[@e.stone909]

The Buket is so good for the same reason the Rat Killer is: It's chambered for the OP 9x18 rounds lol. Straight from that spreadsheet you've used for reference in other vids: While all other AP rounds typically add +50% to armor pen, and take -2% from damage, the 9x18 AP rounds are calculated with -0% damage taken away, and a whopping +130% armor piercing rating. Almost triple the bonus that all other rounds get. Likely, to make pistols feel usable on armored opponents when using AP rounds. Nice little side effect of making the outliers that use it too, the Buket and the Rat Killer, utter BEASTS at punching through armor. Ex: Normal Zubr takes 15 AP rounds to take down a bloodsucker. Rat Killer, thanks to OP 9x18 conversion, only takes 9 AP rounds to take down a bloodsucker. All calc'd with headshots, I assume. I'd love to see a vid comparing the base Zubr vs the Rat Killer on taking down a Chimera/Psuedogiant with both using AP rounds, and comparing the ammo spent. I did it in my game on one of the story chimeras, and was amazed at how far apart they are in viability for that role lol. Buket deserves S+ tier for best early-mid game weapon, rise up comrades!!! ✊🏼

[@cupotkaable]

I think all mutants are not armored, just have alot HP. The expansive ammo is designed to be used against mutants. Need to try Zubr with expansive ammo against bloodsucker.

[@e.stone909]

@ you would think so, right? 😅 But the chimera, pseudogiant, controller, and burer all have 4 bars of armor. As high as some exoskeletons lol. Cats, deer, poltergeist, psydog, and snorks even have 3 bars of armor. Bloodsuckers have 2, zombies have 0, and the rest have 1. So usually, using HP ammo’s feels… questionable lol. I wouldn’t mind an HP ammo showcase on a bunch of different higher tier enemies tbh 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@DarkFire515]

Very good comparison. My personal views: Gordon: pointless, waste of time & coupons weapon. Sell instantly or better still throw it in a puddle. Viper: OK, relatively cheap to run & repair. Integral-A: decent weapon held back by low durability. S-2 Bucket: decent & viable. Very cheap to run & repair and has very good performance. Zubr-19: this and the Whip are probably the only legitimately OP weapons in the game at the moment. Did you figure out what the fighting going on outside was about?

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

I think it was random A life clash

[@booradley6832]

I really appreciate the way you're testing this it does feel remarkably fair because its not based on per shot damage and really throws all aspects into the mix. Very nice concept. The Shah's mate really impressed with the lack of jams for 24% durability. Gordon's base damage is wayyyy too low. The disrespect they show to the .45 acp in this game is nuts. Same with the 9x39. 2 AP .45 rounds to the dome should kill or disable on concussive impact alone from that close. The Buket being more powerful than the vector is sacriledge. The 9x18 is the weakest cartridge by a country mile and they overpowered it for some reason. Still glad you changed your mind after this live fire test, the Buket is a wonderful weapon. I still havent found its 30 round mag though : / Also if you turn your flashlight off they dont hit you as accurately, at least in my experience. Tbh though comparing to the Dnipro is a pretty low bar. Its an okay weapon but they did assault rifles so dirty in this game. There's no reason to carry one instead of a Bizon, full power rifle (Whip, tbh) and a shotgun. Gives you the close/medium/long combo you need to handle every situation, with them also having strong overlap for close and medium ranges.

[@GermanHockey]

I believe the Buket is supposed to be the real-life counterpart of the OTs-02 Kiparis, a Soviet submachine pistol.

[@iliketurtles667]

Close quarters smg’s is so much fun. But all the ammo versus shotgun witch drops as well, is rough.

[@DB-47]

Gordon M10 = MAC-10 / Ingram Buket S-2 = OTs-2 Kiparis (cypress in Russian). Scorpion is in real life Czech Vz. 61 mini SMG Integral-A = Vector SMG Actually there is hidden maths facts in STALKER 2 Vector SMGs. Journalist stash in Garbage for Deluxe+ editions has "Riemann" unique Intergal-A. When you put them together it is Riemann integral which is one of independent founders of this maths tool.

[@judsongaiden9878]

The Kiparis is like an improved Skorpion. Btw, some Skorpions are better than others. The Vz.61 is the worst one because it's chambered for the wimpy .32 ACP.

[@orlandomartinez5484]

Gordon Ingram rolling in his grave faster than his machine gun’s cyclic rate after that intro lol

[@FallenUnicorn11]

The zubr reload is so satisfying

[@DelverRootnose]

There is a fun scene in the teen horror film, 'Night of the Comet' where one of the protagonists, a teenage cheerleader, is firing a Ingram Mac 10. She suffers multiple jams and after finally finishing off a magazine, exclaims to her older sister, "Daddy would have got us Uzis". This gun was famously used in the film 'Escape from New York'. Gordon Ingram had meant the gun to be used with the Silencer which he also sold. This would give the user something to hold onto and would tame the climb.

[@HUKIT.]

I don’t like how they pigeon hole you into using the end game weapons. The balancing is very strange to say the leastl

[@judsongaiden9878]

Contrast with Anomaly - or even older versions of Oblivion Lost - where just about every weapon can be useful the whole way through.

[@Qkske-v9f]

I think it also has to do with the amount of exo's in the later parts of the game. At the point I'm at in the game almost every dude is in an exo except for npc's at bases. The devs are aware of this problem and looking into it

[@gromigur]

@@Qkske-v9f yeah from description to lore to people talking about exo's should be relativ rare but then suddenly 50 people all in exos hide behind every corner. After killing 2-3 hundred exos you get the feeling people lied about the rarity and how dangerous the zone is (when everyone is walking around in space marine armor+ experimental weaponry)

[@michelenicoletti6410]

I dont under stand why It Is so strange to you that' the game scaling difficulty requires Better weapon. Would It be strange to you if using ww1 weapon in 2024 probably lower the probability of winning a Battle?😂

[@judsongaiden9878]

@@michelenicoletti6410 "Understand" is one word.

[@Qkske-v9f]

Very nice video! Could you do some video guide/test on mini-boss mutants? Like what kind of ammo to use and it's efficiency with certain weapons against pseudogiants, chimera's, and controllers let's say.

[@AlohaMilton]

the gordon is hilariously bad because I am laughing my ass off at the attempt to clear monolith exos with it

[@capg5806]

This location is great to farm for good guns to sell. If you stick around after clearing the building, the enemies that respawn will have corundum suits and sometimes exos, making it very lucrative for easy $$. I did this 4 times earlier today an got over 300k worth of guns and armor. There’s also a duffel bag stash near the beginning where you can drop ur excess loot an come back for it later.

[@antbord_5640]

They should nerf the bucket penetration, buff the m10 base damage and add an even larger magazine for the integral-a

[@connorwilliams769]

never nerf the bucket. the description says it sucks in game which, by game instinct, means it f*cks and it does with AP. I love that little thing

[@wallman117]

I hope they add back in the walther P99 to stalker, need a good 9mm nato pistol. It is really odd there isn't one currently in the game (bar the unique one).

[@Hitman3785]

Thank You, greetings from Poland ;)

[@dxdxdxdxdxd7125]

What can be better than f-load of ammo, full auto and target rich environment! P.S. You can disable auto leaning in the options - choose any option beside Automatic

[@slyllamademon2652]

You should get a Hypercube and a Compass for your Artifacts when you do these Breakpoint tests. They make it easier to not die.

[@khelgarironfist3301]

Does it matter if your armor already has maxed out physical resistance?

[@michelenicoletti6410]

😂 verry funny and interesting too.. nice! Do It with ather guns categories plz😊

[@TheBestNoahEver]

You should compare the gangster to other sidearms!

[@Booyashakah]

I take away that the Buket is a gun that you can aquire as early as lower zone if lucky loot, and still performs late game. S+

[@TheRaxification]

I played a lot of Rainbow 6 Siege, so I instinctively lean every time I am cornering or near a wall. As such, I almost never notice the auto-leaning.

[@kraibag]

It would be good to also mention in these comparisons the attachments that are installed on weapons. Because, for example, I don't like it when only one type of sight can be installed on a weapon. And I do not like all types of sights. The most optimal for me are x2 and x4 sights. And if a weapon does not have the possibility of installing one of them, then in my eyes it significantly reduces its rating.

[@nathangregory_]

Where did you find the silencer for the MP-5? By the by....it's not an Uzi but a MAC-10

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

MP5 can be bought from most weapon merchants as randomized inventory, it has some placed locations that I don't know from memory but could be googled : )

[@nathangregory_]

@@IcedCoffeeGaming Maybe you didn't understand. I said the "Silencer," not the weapon.

[@BakunLT]

How is it that that building does not count as protection from an emission. I have survived multiple times in Little huts or cabins but not that large building

[@Itsumi_Erika_Garupan]

You'll take damage from the emission if you're too close to a window or open door.

[@BakunLT]

@Itsumi_Erika_Garupan yes, I've seen video of someone surviving any mission in a metal pipe out in the middle of a field. Makes no sense

[@mateuszbroszczak3736]

There is still no battle till this day. Rat killer OP, no change to 9x18 ammo yet.

[@SMGJohn]

RatKiller has 50% AP modifier instead of 130%, this could be a bug. Seems strange to make it intentional.

[@mateuszbroszczak3736]

@@SMGJohntrue, it is. And while all of the hard job of getting cash in this game I like rat killer which is cheap to repair, has cheap ammo. I bet if they remove this bug somebody will make mod to reverse it again 😂 yeah it’s kind of cheating, but I don’t have all time needed to play this game as devs wanted me to play it so…

[@judsongaiden9878]

Uzis are built to higher specs than Ingrams. "Ingram" is another name for MACs (the name of the designer, plus they were made by his own company as well as Military Armament Corp.). It's pronounced "EEN-gr'm" or "EENG-r'm." All guns look better with a Swedish-style green finish. 7:29 I still don't understand why the stock is stuck in its storage position. So the gun fits in your pistol slot? Then just remove the stock entirely! 8:03 Hollowpoints would be better to use in a .45. Not good against exoskelly-clad heavy troopers, but it would be effective against mutants (which it totally is in Anomaly/GAMMA). 25:00 Why the ditching of mags, though? Especially those complex helical-feed drums! I was a hardcore Zone fanatic since I saw the first screenshots in the early 2000s and salivated over the release of the first game in 2007. Still haven't bought S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2 since I first need to build a new rig that'll run it (none of my stuff is up to modern specs). Not sure if I'm even entirely that interested in getting it since it's chock full of all these cliches that insult the player's intelligence. Who told the animators that it was acceptable to ditch mags?! Where does that cliche come from?! Emergency reloads, sure. Spetsnaz reloads and Wick flicks, et cetera. They're called "emergency" reloads for a reason. But what Skif does with the Bizon isn't an emergency reload. He just ditches the mag for no reason! Note: The same people who think it's okay to ditch mags also think it's okay to not allow the player to aim grenade launchers with actual sights. 27:39 There should only be one capacity per caliber since all versions in-game use helical drums. 9x18 = 64. 9x19 = 50. IRL, there's also a version in 7.62x25mm Tokarev that uses 35-round stick mags. That one might count as a PDW. 31:08 That drum should hold 50, not 40. 31:53 That's to be expected when the player character is too dumb to extract and use the stock.

[@clausroquefort9545]

it's not quite fair to compare the performance of all these guns against endgame enemies. you could go on a rampage at the skadovs or the slag heap to get a more reasonable feel for their performance in the mid game. particularly the shah's mate is great against bandits.

[@slyllamademon2652]

My Opinion: SMGs in this game are wack. Only reason for use them is to save kupons which doesn’t even matter. You can make 200 thousand kupons in 30 minutes by running around the whole zone yoinking all the artifacts with a bear detector or Veles Detector. You can get the Latter in Yaniv station at the weapons merchant. Look up “Artifact Farming route stalker 2.” and go to Zalissa skip the psi radiaton anomalies they are not worth your time. Do not pick up weapons unless they are an upgrade to your current weapon. I suggest keeping an eye out for Fora-221 and GP37 for assault rifle and SPSA-14 or Saiga for your weapons. Bring 20 medkits and 30 bandage for this if you don’t have powerful defensive artifacts like the compass and hypercube. Hypercube can actually be combined with soldier medkits and it will heal to full and heal your bleed.

[@Panzergraf]

I wish the MAC-10 Gordon was as good as it is fun.

[@KB8Killa]

Where do you get the ‘gangster’?

[@Itsumi_Erika_Garupan]

Main story mission in malachite

[@KB8Killa]

@ thanks. Just finished (didn’t beat the final boss yet) and started my second play through. Trying not to miss too much stuff.

[@KB8Killa]

The leaning thing can be super annoying

[@michaelgonzales3978]

Why is there so much monolith in this building?

[@JJennerUK]

Integral is the best imho, two bursts with AP ammo, zero recoil and used an ammo that is pretty common in both mid and end game.

[@jackbaker2907]

M-10 playthrough when?

[@okroon6777]

Mac 10 is a side arm So while ye it's worse from them all I find it probably the best for it being the best option for oh crap I need to reload and there is a enemy face ducking me

[@ericbrown9591]

Use the rat slayer for the zruba

[@XSmile2008]

Buket S-2 with at least 2x shorter barrel and less powerful ammo in comparison with Viper-5 have better stats. Very realistic😅

[@realfnneato3111]

gordon is an ingram mac-10

[@egordon7543]

Hip fire with gangster, it had more hip fire accuracy

[@judsongaiden9878]

Might as well hold it sideways just to complete the motif. 🤣

[@astronudes]

is it possible to use a noise gate because i hear your keyboard in every video

[@docwhiskey996]

Why does .45 suck so bad...

[@frankcrawley6632]

Im a lean enjoyer😢

[@alvarocorrea7391]

It doesn't make sense how some nato or warsaw pact weapons chambered in the same calibers deal less or more damage, I get it is fictional stats but come on even being fictional doesn't make a bit of sense, so damage output should be determined by caliber and ammo type, not by weapon type.

[@judsongaiden9878]

Fact. Also barrel length.

[@janovmi2]

mac10/uzi is a pistol, treat it as such against EXOs, you should not be using SMGs in the first place, the weapon balance ingame now does not make any sense (9x19 having more pen than 556 etc), once caliber-based balancing (most likely in the form of a mod) is in-game, many weapons would just skyrocket in usability Also, why test against EXOs when the majority of the player base won't get that far because of the bugged storyline? It feels kind of pointless since fixing the story will take so much time that we may even get weapon rebalance sooner. Well, I guess KZbinrs have an incentive to constantly remake outdated videos.

[@galaxykicks6880]

Bro 34 monolith mfs

[@josephjucker5620]

Is this a stalker knockoff rail shooter mobile game?

[@sanguineaurora8765]

They should balance the game by ammo not by weapon. Balancing by weapon tier in a game like this Just kills immersion. Both .308 DMR and 9mm SMG 2 shotting the same guys? BS my dude

[@JF-vz1ju]

There still needs to be some form of progression, just like there was in the older games. Balancing purely by ammo would screw the difficulty of the game and make finding new weapons pointless. Why look for or repair a Kharod if a 416 from the first area of the game performs exactly the same?

[@Ninjahipo]

This game is such a meme, best performing guns against exos are 9x18mm pistol caliber smgs... Literally the weakest caliber available in the game

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

Call of Duty and BF have similar damage on SMGs vs ARs, it is nothing new. The main limiting factors of SMG vs AR balancing is ARs have better recoil/consistent damage over range and SMGs have steep fall off/bad recoil.

[@judsongaiden9878]

@@IcedCoffeeGaming Lame CoD cliches have no business infesting the Zone.

[@JF-vz1ju]

​@@judsongaiden9878It's literally just how guns are balanced in video games. SMGs are strong up close but fall off super hard, while ARs are versatile and get more attachments. There are some flaws like the UDP just being worse than Skif's pistol, which screws progression up and causes most players to just use Skif's pistol until they find a Rhino or APSB. But it's better like this than for entire weapon categories to become useless once enemies get better armor.

[@marcelpavlik7976]

its sick that smgs are better then assualts

[@marcelpavlik7976]

how many hours do you have spended?

[@tdhhellian7509]

The gun name: *Bucket* (spelled the same way as a bucket, for water or dirt) Every S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2 content creator: The game is set in Russia, I need to say it with an accent, its definitely a weird pronunciation. *Bouquet* 💐

[@sovRtko]

Where the hell did you hear that the game takes place in russia? What gave you that impression?

[@JF-vz1ju]

It's not spelled "bucket" though, it's spelled "buket"

[@dmytrokachan7332]

Weak geography, dude, work on it, please

[@brandonqarana8277]

NOTHING TO REALLY DO AFTER BEATING THE GAME, WISH THEY HAD A HORDE MODE OR A COOP SURVIVAL MODE SIMILAR TO ZOMBIES, WOULD BE SUPER FUN

[@hiephiep12]

Is this bait?

[@SMGJohn]

@@hiephiep12 Yeah it is

[@nonameking4874]

Then move on and don’t play the game.

[@christiankirkenes5922]

oof, confusing a mac 10 with an Uzi

[@peteranserin3708]

Mods should fix this laughable combat. Stalker was horrible back when as well.