SMOKE ONBOARD | Emergency Return to Chicago O'Hare!

[@b.d.keeble9562]

Glad to hear those 70 souls who parachuted out were not injured

[@lindorini]

😂😂😂

[@TDOBrandano]

I wondered why they bothered asking.

[@boudibla4011]

@@TDOBrandano cognitive test "on the fly"

[@BillySugger1965]

ATC really should know to ask for total SOB and not passengers. And flight crew should log POB when the doors close and have the figure to hand before start. 81 SOB transforming to 11 POB is inexcusable, ORD ATC!

[@amylynncreaney2245]

I was thinking the same thing. Good grief, that's a poor relay of information.

[@christianullrich2923]

They report smoke in the cabin and 81 persons. One game of Telephone later ARFF prepares for the cockpit and 11 people. Ouch.

[@scottyo911]

Yeah that wasn't good at all

[@Unmei_Ka]

The controller probably heard six passengers, four crew, and one jumpseater which works out to 11 people. I feel like the pilot should've just said the number of people on board instead of breaking it down.

[@GSpeare]

If they had given souls onboard in pounds this would never have happened.

[@Petruccifan77]

The game of telephone is dangerous

[@Petruccifan77]

@@GSpearethat’s hilarious!

[@aussiebloke609]

2:11 "Brickyard 3707, expect runway 10C unless you'd like something different." "We're setting up for 10L" "Brickyard 3707, expect 10L" Probably the most on-point exchange of the video. ATC gave an optional runway choice - and the aircraft didn't request a change or _ask_ for anything, but simply stated that they were setting up for something different. Which was accepted with equanimity by ATC. If only the rest was so clear and concise.

[@scottwarner7264]

I’m thinking the smoke and fumes were in the control tower

[@SB-cz9vo]

The fumes were definitely on the ATCs side, but what they were smoking is the real question.

[@fhuber7507]

check the controller's VAPE...

[@maanmohammad8459]

😂😂😂

[@Petruccifan77]

@@scottwarner7264 lmao!

[@batshevanivylerner8582]

Pilot: "Brickyard 3707 we're declaring an emergency, we're coming back to the field" ATC: "Brickyard 3707, roger, say your intentions" What the pilot is thinking: "we'd like to head back to the field as i just said you blockhead"

[@methridge]

And once again, American pilots seem completely unable to say the word "Mayday".

[@carosel43]

@@methridge Yes, absolutely. I cannot begin to understand why this didnt open with 'mayday mayday mayday, brickyard 3707 we have smoke in the cabin/cockpit, will maintain 5000 and require immediate return' Although, to be honest even if they did ATC would probably respond by asking if they were declaring an emergency and what they wanted to do.

[@photosapphic1984]

Probably wants to check if they need an immediate return or if they’re going to burn fuel to reduce weight. There’s been a few emergencies on this channel where the pilots decide to take half an hour to run checklists or dump fuel before landing.

[@MrGordonbrett]

@@photosapphic1984that is never the case with fire or smoke, not to mention this is a smaller jet even if overweight landing it wouldn’t be an issue big enough to override landing in a fire emergency

[@joey7551]

"We're coming back to the field." "Roger, say your intentions." "Well, landing the plane I guess."

[@cbartlett]

Why did the departure controller know nothing about the emergency? Shouldn't the controller who passed them off have communicated all that?

[@jayschafer1760]

Normally the controllers do a hand-off in situations like this to inform the new controller of the basics, but perhaps this all happened a bit too quickly. Not trying to be critical of ATC here at all, but I think it's safe to say that they will review this and find some opportunities to improve.

[@RyanRuark]

I can forgive them for not getting the word, but I can't forgive them being told "WE'RE DECLARING AN EMERGENCY AND COMING BACK TO THE FIELD" multiple times before they got the message.

[@dbalpert]

Isn’t that why international ATC procedure calls for starting new contacts with controllers with the mayday call each time? If I’m learning one thing from watching this channel it’s that US pilots seem to have no consistent procedures for emergencies. The video of a Speedbird (BA) in a similar situation involved them following a procedure seemingly exactly including announcing their emergency clearly each time.

[@dermann439]

Welcome to the good old American ATC system. Complete fuckup - nothing gets coordinated.

[@jayschafer1760]

​@@dbalpertUsually US pilots will follow their callsign with "emergency" or "emergency aircraft" when they first check in on a new radio frequency, but it's definitely not as standardized in practice as it probably should be.

[@maanmohammad8459]

Compare it to yesterday's emergency ( frontier with Las Vegas controllers) and notice the huge difference in performance.

[@NicolaW72]

Indeed. Fortunately it turned out this was not as serious as the one in Las Vegas, otherwise it would probably have become a serious issue.

[@jonathanmarte4251]

What’s the Difference you see ? Frontier didn’t have any radio communication

[@maanmohammad8459]

@@jonathanmarte4251 The accuracy,clear,and calm communication from the ATC.

[@rztrzt]

4:29 11 souls onboard? Did the other 70 die from heart attacks? 4:34 Smoke in the cockpit? They said cabin you numpty.

[@bar_bar9315]

2:00 I'm pretty sure he heard something like "It's 6 passengers + 4 crew + 1 jumpseater". Maybe his brain omitted that 7 after hearing 3707 so many times during the tense situation. Just a possible explanation.

[@0101-s7v]

1:18 After declaring an emergency, approach tells them to climb to 15k and the copilot/PM accepts it? Good thing the PIC chimed in and says, yeah, no, were coming in. Who knows how that could have turned out.

[@VASAviation]

I bet she was in training, thus the jumpseater supervising.

[@0101-s7v]

@@VASAviation That makes sense. If so, she might need to file that away for future reference: When trying to come in for an emergency landing, don't let ATC send you 10,000+ feet higher. :-)

[@Michigan_Adventures]

It's probably muscle memory as well.

[@avrohomz4582]

​@@VASAviationIt's interesting that the jumpseater seems to have joined in the comms at some point (certainly when he mentions the captain having gone back to check on the situation in the cabin).

[@3rett115]

Yeah, you can hear the fear in her voice. She better toughen up quick if she wants this responsibility.

[@dataplatter]

1000 hours of fuel- that’s impressive efficiency & endurance !

[@miked51]

They planned on taking the long, scenic route from Chicago to Indy.

[@jayschafer1760]

@@miked51 Reminds me of the Pan Am plane that flew from San Francisco to New York "the wrong way round" (westbound, not eastbound) because it was caught in the Pacific when the Pearl Harbor attack happened.

[@Ea-Nasir_Copper_Co]

@@jayschafer1760If anyone's interested, google "1941 Pan Am navytimes" and you'll find a great article.

[@matthewa8713]

Ground didn't seem to get the correct souls on board or fuel when she passed that information onto Rescue.🙄

[@bd5289]

OMG, This gives me SO LITTLE confidence flying in and out of ORD. So many mistakes and confusion by the tower: 3707 - Declaring an emergency, smoke, need to return. Tower - Climb to 15,000 3707 - NO Tower - here's 200 questions because we know you're busy 3707 - 74 passengers Tower - they have 11 passengers Holy COW

[@EmotionalWeather]

You forgot the smoke in the cabin vs. smoke in the flight deck

[@FishFind3000]

They work 6 days a week and have some trainees working up there also. The lady is a seasoned controller though. Useally they are better than this.

[@soccerguy2433]

you should join up to be ATC.

[@jayschafer1760]

​@@EmotionalWeather And the fact that the pilots requested ILS but were given the visual.

[@0101-s7v]

Seriously. I can't believe she accepted that, rather than rejecting it outright.

[@marcellratky1395]

This was extremely frustrating to watch. It's like the controller didn't really care.

[@NicolaW72]

Thank you very much for picking this incident up!👍

[@davidmoser3535]

People are only human, but this is embarrasing to listen to. Luckily no one was hurt

[@gazelle3635]

At 6:22 the pilots say " the smoke has ceased". Not " the smoke is thick.

[@boeing-lt4el]

Controllers/groundside seem really confused. Compounded by the fact the FO is green (not her fault) - the Captain really ran the show correctly here.

[@Laogeodritt]

Sounded like some of the calls were from the person in the jumpseat-he mentions at one point the captain is checking up on the smoke in the cabin. If he was there for training purposes (not familiar with how that goes), he might've stepped in for the FO.

[@grumpyfinn]

seen a few smoke and fire vids the last few days

[@Haarschmuckfachgeschafttadpole]

1,000 hours of fuel remaining, that's impressive. That aircraft can stay in the air for 41 days!

[@cageordie]

Classic example of failed emergency communications. Loads of unnecessary confusion. Say MAYDAY three times first on the initial emergency call. On change of frequency say mayday at the start of the first call. Nowhere in the FAA guidance does it suggest dropping "declaring an emergency" into the end of a call.

[@hscollier]

EXACTLY! Why is it so freaking hard for US pilots do declare an emergency when they are clearly reporting one?

[@roudydogg1]

​@@hscollierprobably afraid they'll be investigated by the faa if they declare an emergency. And they prob think there's less paperwork to be done if they can get the message across without a formal declaration. It's a big mess.

[@pilotpanda9664]

@@hscollierwhat are you talking about? They literally said “we are declaring an emergency” on the first call.

[@N1120A]

Try running checklists and talking with a smoke mask on, while flying the airplane low and slow in the pattern.

[@dxcrcxdr6679]

Were the '70 Jumpers' ok?

[@tommaxwell429]

Seems to me changing frequencies throughout an emergency is just asking for trouble and unnecessary confusion. Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't ATC in Europe keep an emergency aircraft on one discreet frequency all the way down? I seem to recall an emergency and that was the case. It seems like a good idea if true.

[@Matt-dc8lp]

They got the B squad ATC's

[@VenkmanPrime]

Idk if you got it, but an American came into MKE with gear hydraulic failure on September 15th would be cool if you could get the logs of that

[@buckfaststradler4629]

The various ATC people seem a bit slow on the uptake..

[@seanhurley8627]

So much error and confusion created by poor arc communications and hand overs. Thank goodness the pilots were able to perform visual approach when the requested an ILS approach and controller cleared them for a visual.

[@robbo1979]

‘Smoke in the cabin’ ‘Are you declaring an emergency?’ Lol

[@fgllc]

Nope. We're just gonna hot box it for a few....

[@carbonwolf3865]

​@@fgllcwel.. we did have that one plane that was out one engine and said they were non-emergency

[@sparklawns3433]

As someone who just got into aviation, I never realized how common smoke in a cabin is. Unless that's just recently.

[@sinenomis]

What is it, that in usa almost anyone uses standard ICAO: "Mayday Mayday Mayday"?

[@arthurclarke905]

Is it not time that the souls on board and fuel quantity are encoded within the ADSB data.

[@michaellean]

So ARFF would have counted 11 out then pummeled the plane with foam??! How does that happen ….

[@horvath83]

Was there a coffee shortage in Chicago back then? This one was hard to watch.

[@BFHGokias]

Where did ground get the 11 souls number? Don't they know it's a jet liner?

[@VASAviation]

A jetliner can carry only 11 souls, that's no issue. But of course she got the number wrong

[@BFHGokias]

@@VASAviation Very true but how often do they? I would think that number would be questioned immediately, unless ground crew didn't know the aircraft type.

[@marcellratky1395]

"----- six passengers, plus four crew, plus one jumpseater" = 11 Where was the readback though...

[@maanmohammad8459]

@@marcellratky1395 That was with emergency commander.

[@marcellratky1395]

@@maanmohammad8459 I don't think anyone has read back the number of souls on board, that's why they couldn't correct the misunderstanding.

[@Tortex88]

Just as I was bigging up American ATC after yesterday's Las Vegas video.. We get this. Jeez.

[@Fliegerbaby]

accepting 15000.... really? 11 Souls on board.... jeeeezz

[@ValNishino]

Departure not knowing that you're emergency is one thing, but why would you read back 15000 ft without question? Sounded like the captain had to interject for a FO who hadn't quite caught up to what was going on.

[@VASAviation]

She probably was in training

[@N1120A]

It sounds like she was PF and he took the airplane on the switch. Reading back ATC instructions exactly becomes second nature after flying the hours required to be an airline pilot in the US, so it isn't surprising she read it back, especially since she wasn't the one originally on comms.

[@N1120A]

"They said the smoke has ceased," not thick.

[@deans6129]

This is a classic example of miscommunication and poor coordination by ATC that could of ended much differently for the aircraft

[@pierre76]

This makes me so angry to ear all these questions/frequency change/ mistakes made by ATC when it’s so much work for the crew… something is really wrong. Congratulations to the crew

[@most-average-athelete]

What a travesty of emergency communications... especially for a fire/smoke situation where minutes or seconds makes the difference, where you instruct a burning plane to ascent to 15K... This is why international standard phraseology should almost be like a reflex spoken language to all aviation world.

[@N1120A]

The controller didn't know they were an emergency.

[@davida4771]

I would think ORD could professionally handle an emergency aircraft returning to the field. What a mess.

[@boudibla4011]

Great work by the jumpseater! Impressive 'non-verbal' radio clues between the old man and approach: 'We are going to need a little help to get down there...', controller is like 'left 270?', pilot agrees and takes the plane in a descending round about maneuver thing. I am glad that pilots and ATC were caffeinated enough for their shift!

[@seanmullins7568]

11 souls?! they never said cockpit...

[@natetallman]

I'm just a dumb armchair non-pilot, but ATC and the pilots could work on communication. There were major flubs on both sides

[@Matt-dc8lp]

Smoke is thick we're evacuating to no smoke we're fine

[@saxmanb777]

Job well done by the professionals out there. ATC, pilots, and ARFF. Love listening to these.

[@PiskeyFaeri]

Well I'm glad someoene eventually responded to the pilots calling emergency. Eventually.

[@flyoma]

Sounds like Republic crew did a great job using their resources. Clearly had the jumpseater helping with radio comms as well. Good delegation. Ground control definitely had the better handle on things on the ATC side..

[@jgpacheco21]

Im confused by the "time remaining roughly 1000hrs - 1000 lbs at the moment" . What did he mean to say?

[@DrBreakalot]

Probably just brain overload

[@ysfsim]

1000 pounds per hour/ is the current fuel burn rate

[@xqzh8936]

1000 hrs... that's some fuel-efficient aircraft! Jokings aside, glad that everyone was OK.

[@speedsk810]

Ground getting all of the information wrong again...

[@BarryHofland.]

How is this communication such a mess

[@JohnD357]

I hear a whole lotta stupid coming out of ORD ATC. After they declare an emergency, Departure instructs them to climb to 15,000 feet until the pilot reminds them that they're an emergency aircraft. And then somehow, the 81 souls on board declared to Departure gets translated to 11 souls on board with Ground. I'm so glad I drive everywhere now.

[@justcallmedan301]

You are much more likely to die driving, than flying.

[@JohnD357]

@@justcallmedan301 But I won't be at the mercy of the near-incompetents in ATC.

[@k1mgy]

More superb coordination. A fine performance. Worthy of demotion.

[@happyhour5690]

I was on this flight!

[@ADHJkvsNgsMBbTQe]

Let’s hope these videos are useful to help improve emergency response by showing an example of what not to do. 🤦‍♂️

[@patstiff]

Wow, that female tower controller was all f'd up! Wrong number of souls on board, said smoke in the cockpit (reported as in the cabin), etc. She needs a new career.

[@bowdoin5063]

Poor ATC in this particular emergency / Glad I don't fly anymore

[@fhuber7507]

Quite the series of controllers not understanding what the pilots are saying....

[@OSUfan757]

Good LORD these controllers have terrible accuracy with info transfer....

[@tommaxwell429]

Turn off the radios! The emergency yesterday worked fine without them. What a cluster on ATC side. Hand him off to departure give him a climb to 15,000 and have no clue he is an emergency aircraft. Shame on the female flight member for accepting the climb to 15,000 when preparing for an emergency return. ATC clueless on passing info to the next controller. It never ceases to amaze me that most of the time when one of these happens it's like ATC has no clue what to do. Comms are so screwed up in emergency situations. FAA needs to work on this.

[@cenccenc946]

That was a serious cluster ...

[@oelschlegel]

Can we get some competent ATC

[@BLAB-it5un]

This is a masterclass in communication failures from ATC end. A textbook example of how not to handle an emergency,

[@claudiabazzani6106]

Sorry to bother. I'd like to undestand what kind of little captain needs at 3.10? Tks

[@IcthioVelocipede]

They were probably too high up to turn directly towards the runway and still be able to get down to it safely. So they made a left 270 degree turn to line up with the runway instead, giving them more flight time to be able to get down to the correct altitude.

[@claudiabazzani6106]

@@IcthioVelocipede grazie! It's clear now. They requested heading help

[@adriancarphabet5106]

It feels like too many of these recently and the ARTCC is not taking notes on how to improve the system during emergencies. With modern technology, there should be better ways to communicate messages between different ATC sectors, tower, ground and rescue teams on the ground. Like an auto-populated messaging board that every controller and personnel involved can see and add only the most important notes about the emergency. This would hopefully prevent asking same questions multiple times and would avoid mishandling the information. Also, don’t controllers have like a 5 or 10 second playback button? They could click that and listen to it again rather than re inquiring with busy pilots. Thank you VASAvistion for posting. With your videos, hopefully somebody will learn from it and improve the system during emergencies

[@N1120A]

How was ARTCC involved at all?

[@traffic71]

Surely it would make clear sense to avoid any confusion and unnecessary questions for the pilot to start with Mayday and squawk 7700? Why do so many pilots not do this??

[@jayschafer1760]

Ugh. Not the best day for ORD ATC.

[@EvanBear]

Female pilot needs to be more assertive, like her male colleague. Mind you, the ATC is the primary issue here (hello, game of telephone) but as women we have a tendency to be too nice to people so we don't make waves. We have to get rid of that hesitation and be assertive and commanding when we need to. Do not accept a climb when you have smoke in the cabin. A firm "Unable" is a complete sentence. This is an issue that women in aviation deal with a lot, we are not listened to unless we are assertive and when we are assertive we are dismissed as being bitchy or bossy but we have to ignore this in situations like these. "Unable, we have an emergency", done.

[@VASAviation]

She probably was in training

[@ysfsim]

First officers are usually young on these rjs.

[@craiglachman1379]

First officers on E170s are usually young, young, young! I’m guessing it isn’t that she’s a woman, but that she’s relatively inexperienced. In the last few years, I’ve been lucky enough to know a bunch of new ATPs; they’ll season quickly.

[@653j521]

Old stereotype. Time to move on.

[@EvanBear]

@@653j521 Unfortunately not. I'm a woman myself, it's hard to be assertive in a world where you are judged if you are.

[@goutvols103]

Why did the female pilot confirm an altitude to 15,000'?

[@SkyWayMan90]

I want to know why the pilot accepted 15,000 without question

[@solferuto4]

Amazing how different ATC frequencies fail to communicate efficiently

[@lyaneris]

Tower/Ground and Departure/APP usually do not sit in the same building. They coordinate either directly via landline or get information relayed by a supervisor.

[@dermann439]

​@@lyanerispick up your stupid phone, push the direct line to approach which gets connected in the moment you're pushing the damn button and state to your ATC colleague that Brickyard is an emergency to avoid looking like complete fools like every other US ATC while dealing with an emergency.

[@lyaneris]

@@dermann439 With that dep controller, I doubt it would have registered in his mind before the plane was on freq 😂

[@dermann439]

@@lyaneris Yes, they would if they would at least try. It's so frustrating because it works in so many other countries. Just look at videos on this channel from Amsterdam, Budapest, Lissabon and the likes.

[@lyaneris]

@@dermann439 Ik, if everywhere worked as well as Amsterdam, it would be lovely

[@kevintaylor791]

I had a flight instructor that I HATED, his skills at teaching stick and rudder skills were non-existent. A crusty old retired airline captain, who instructed because he wanted to keep flying but was to cheap to pay. Basically "Teach yourself, I'll just take it over if you're going to kill us." Imagine: The Socratic Method, and Russian Roulette somehow shat out an over the hill instructor named Bruce. For all his faults, chief among them being an absolute wanker... He did drop the occasional golden nuggets of truth, wit, and wisdom. The one relevant here: "Fuck ups in aviation charge interest by the minute."

[@barbaralane9825]

This has to be the worst ATC performance on an emergency I’ve heard. Changed runways on them, ignored ILS request, screwed up transfer to departure. Told need to return immediately then asked intentions. It was truly pathetic.

[@VASAviation]

You've heard to very few ATC communications in your life, have you?

[@lyaneris]

He did not change runways on them. He said to expect 10C unless they wanted something else. They responded with 10L, so they got 10L. Unfortunately I have heard a lot of worse ATC.

[@maanmohammad8459]

@@VASAviation Granted,not the worst,but this is the second or third busiest airport in the world and it is supposed to have the best of the best.

[@Ndub1036]

Amazing how bad ATC is here that they can repeatedly not understand an emergency aircraft and then relay such terribly wrong information. Comical

[@timduggan1461]

@:50 seconds TWR hands off RPA3707 to DEP. The departure controller wasn't told by the Tower of the EM status. And the female F/O (?) just robotically reads back the climb clearance to 15,000?? Come on!!

[@buddydeal7695]

Not an ATC finer moment.

[@paddyohenry6428]

Lousy controller wasted time trying to copy down fuel, meanwhile he did not get Brickyard to a confirmed altitude and thereby delayed the landing. Poor performance.

[@TrekzoneMedia]

Chicago needs to rehash their emerg procedures... yikes

[@SeligTiles]

Are animals (service dogs for example) considered a soul?

[@dermann439]

Why is it that EVERYTIME an emergency gets handled in the US it feels like a complete and utter joke compared to the European video exames? This is so embarassing.

[@maanmohammad8459]

I believe it is a cultural issue.Americans are risk takers vs Europeans risk averse mentality.American's schooling system emphasizes speed which doesn't always fit with accuracy.

[@dermann439]

@@maanmohammad8459 but there is just no place for taking risks in a volatile field like aviation safety.

[@maanmohammad8459]

@@dermann439 True.But like they say" old habits die hard".

[@pederb82]

There is a huge mistake I see done in the us all the time during these. Internal com between rescue and tower says they request to for example stop on the runway. An airplane that’s declared an emergency have full authority over the airport. They do NOT ask for permission. They do what they need to do to ensure their passengers safety and it’s the airports problem to accommodate their orders on how that will be conducted. Is it an ego problem in the US causing this?

[@jayschafer1760]

I always just assume that the tower is pressuring the emergency aircraft to get off the runway so that the tower can have the runway back in order to keep the throughput up and prevent delays/holds/diversions/etc. Not the right way to do it.

[@pederb82]

@@jayschafer1760 sadly yes. Not knowing if there is debris or any form of contamination on the runway after the emergency landing. Irresponsible conduct at best. That’s what insurance is for to pay for any delays that can happen. Passengers should be understanding for and about delays as long as these are to increase safety for the passengers. And this pressure to increase/maximize income to owners of airport is appalling.

[@hscollier]

Why is it so hard for US pilots to DECLARE AN EMERGENCY when they are clearly reporting an emergency? Almost every time the ATC has to ask them.

[@JSFGuy]

Never a good thing.

[@Toropetskii]

First officer needed to relay the emegency call to departure freq, that would've helped that miscommunication

[@lcf34]

Embarrassing at best. Dear Lord.

[@billywhizz6483]

Was that Approach controller asleep... jeepers, I found it frustrating just listening, can't imagine what the pilots felt!

[@bobwilson758]

All the damn stupid phone game ! Right ? Geez -

[@dashingexplorer2840]

FFS, the captain just told the controller he needs to return to the field and Departure still asked him what his intentions are. SMH.

[@VASAviation]

Their intentions can be way more than just "return to the field"

[@jayschafer1760]

@@VASAviation Exactly. In your videos it's more common than not that after the plane requests to "return to the field" they need to do things like dump or burn off excess fuel, hold for a few minutes to run checklists or talk to company, etc etc.

[@MDSFamily]

ATC Shitshow

[@westsparks6844]

ATC is a total joke

[@ID10_Tango]

Very professional and proficient controller. Glad they are safe!

[@cageordie]

Professionally changed the runway and didn't listen to the calls and didn't pass on information he said he would? ATC can use this for training in how not to do it.

[@workingguy-OU812]

Absolute pros on all sides.

[@cageordie]

Humor?

[@workingguy-OU812]

@@cageordie No, not humor. Took out the 'wow' if that's what made it seem sarcastic.

[@NatesRandomVideo]

@@workingguy-OU812 wasn't professional on the ground at all.

[@workingguy-OU812]

@@NatesRandomVideo That was a mistake, but I was critical of ground crews on a video yesterday. At some point it becomes readily apparent that most airport ground crews aren't adept.

[@gibbo9089]

Very poorly handled by all atc parties.

[@VASAviation]

Why?

[@Cooldaddio2]

I would be demanding to put me on another aircraft.

[@charlieinsingapore]

Yet again all this stuffing around about "emergency" ...

[@dkast5]

ATC Sucked here

[@777pilotforfun]

Piss poor job on ATC