Smoke Onboard + Passenger Evacuation | Brickyard E170 at Newark

[@code_monkey_steve]

"We'd like to return to Newark, New Jersey" There's a first time for everything.

[@Falcon2.39-1]

😂

[@magellanmax]

I'm guessing just like I, it has been a while since you visited the city. I was there a few months ago, and I have to say, downtown Newark looks a whole lot different from when you were there last. Gentrification is a small part of it, but the city is undergoing a big change.

[@batshevanivylerner8582]

given that they were headed for Detroit, Newark probably doesn't seem half so bad.

[@thatgamingtitan]

I was thinking the same thing lol

[@jaysmith1408]

@@batshevanivylerner8582Romulus to be precise. Six of one, not pleasant either way.

[@piparalegal2019]

Loved the way the pilots enunciated in their masks! I think this is one of the smoothest handled emergencies I've seen handled on your channel since I started watching.

[@HesmiyuMC]

His enunciations reminds me of very old recordings.

[@beenaplumber8379]

@@HesmiyuMC I was thinking FDR - "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."

[@gemma3877]

Evacuating via the slides and no reported injuries? Excellent news. Good job crew!

[@ericlehman839]

Slides on large jets look scary! These look like kiddie playground slides, fortunately.

[@snaaail]

@@ericlehman839still a long way down especially for the elderly

[@nicoduck]

Besides not passing on the information to the next controller, they handled that pretty well. No delays, no stupid questions or moaning about them evacuating.

[@David-um8tb]

"The info is being passed to them" *little did they know, they would not pass the info*

[@anthonymiller3392]

@@David-um8tbI imagine that it happened so fast there was not time for the phone call.

[@LISRAREF]

The info is normally passed From supervisor to supervisor which takes a few minutes… many times the controller will just ask again because it’s quicker than waiting for them to get it for us…

[@markor2476]

@@LISRAREF Why would the controller need to know urgently?

[@kbuss10]

any idea why they closed the whole airport for a 319 standing on one runway?

[@DylanClarkSallee]

The ARFF T1 commander was fantastic on the radio for a change!

[@k1mgy]

The only one.

[@PiskeyFaeri]

Normal ARFF: [crackle-mumble] stop on runway? Tug 99: [presumably driving through tunnel in hurricane with window open] cross [schhhhhhhhhhhhhhh]

[@paulstejskal]

Don't tell Kennedy Steve!

[@Pilotwisco]

Love the controller noticed the lack of landing light. Pilots probably just forgot to turn it on but good on ATC for checking.

[@k1mgy]

Might have been an electrical issue onboard. With smoke, it's prudent to go minimum.

[@justme5384]

Wasn't the text blue? Was it perhaps a plane on the ground noticing it?

[@beenaplumber8379]

I think it's wonderful that controllers can say stuff like that nowadays, like check altitude, wheels down, stuff like that. There was a time they didn't dare give advice or suggestions to pilots, and lots of people died.

[@JDrapic]

Good to see everything ended safely. Pilots got on oxygen immediately, which is great because if there is smoke, you never know what the chemicals will do to you, anything from basically nothing, to long-term cancer risk, to incapacitation. Also, great on the other pilots looking out/supporting, especially with those landing lights. I know they'd get a configuration warning if the gear really wasn't down (assuming a fire didn't damage systems), but if they got task saturated, hearing tends to be one of the first to go.

[@mahrixgamer6036]

I was about to comment on that. Good on that other pilot for calling out the landing lights. This last thing you want to do when there is a fire on board is execute a go-around.

[@pseudopeach]

"You'll have to go somewhere else, I imagine." It was the "I imagine" that made me 😂

[@jonathanbott87]

He was hanging on to the 0.01% chance that they didn't evac and the airport could resume ops

[@beenaplumber8379]

The other plane requested immediate return. The controller told him immediately that wouldn't be possible, so make other plans, I imagine. They apparently had a serious situation too, and the controller giving them an immediate reply was part of the ATC response.

[@SD_702]

It’s inevitable that the controller either never hears the souls and fuel, doesn’t pass it on, requests it twice, or demands it in pounds if they provide minutes and minutes if they provide pounds. What is the actual correct phraseology?

[@aussiebloke609]

Just a guess here, but probably giving both would be ideal if they have the time. ATC will want to know how long you can stay in the air (time), and emergency crews want to know how much fuel they may have to deal with in case of spill or fire once you touch down (volume.)

[@blairl6304]

Rumor has it, nobody actually knows.

[@Molon_Labe1776]

Your guess is on point!

[@user-ll8be9vt4u]

Every time I've heard it, they supply it in time and are asked in pounds. The pilots gave the information, it wasn't passed on. It was passed to the tower, otherwise they would have asked, but from one controller to the next, not so much

[@dustindodge5974]

ATC cares about time, Airfield firefighters care about pounds

[@gungagalunga9040]

Brickyard 3439 here, we're shitting bricks here

[@UNITED38Heavy]

We had two United 757’s divert to SWF as a result, those pilots relayed to us what was going on. Glad everyone is safe.

[@kathywalker8107]

Good save by Tower on the landing gear!

[@Theb_rand_1]

The gear WAS down

[@Plane_Person]

Gear was down, the light just wasn't on

[@VASAviation]

Lack of landing lights has nothing to do with landing gear not being down on these planes.

[@EdOeuna]

Slightly off topic but usually the taxi light is associated with the nose gear being down and locked.

[@kathywalker8107]

@@VASAviation No way for tower to know that. It was a heads-up call to make: clearly a checklist item had been missed.

[@magellanmax]

I live close to EWR and I'll tell you something, if you close it entirely for 45 minutes, you wouldn't believe the backup it would create at JFK & LGA. Glad there were no injuries and everyone was OK.

[@SummitHill79]

That sounds like that was some pretty good smoke!

[@clownhands]

Didn’t think I was going to hear captain Franklin Delano Roosevelt declaring an emergency today.

[@Lukeduke7773]

😂 as pilot in command, I herby declare, on this day, at this important moment in time, nay, history, by the powers vested in me, for the good health and welfare of all souls aboard this aircraft, as well as those on gods boundless and magnificent earth below, a full and true emergency. Mayday, mayday, yes mayday indeed.

[@clownhands]

Flight level 190. An altitude that will live in infamy.

[@InternetWires]

@@Lukeduke7773🤣

[@Lukeduke7773]

@@InternetWires thank you for the recognition….I put far too much effort and thought and revision into that fake speech….but if it can change just one life

[@InternetWires]

@@Lukeduke7773It changed 2! I got some unexpected time off last week so my wife and I have made it our new running joke lately 😆

That pilot's voice with a mask on is super interesting.

[@piparalegal2019]

Enunciation was spot on!

[@SeligTiles]

He sounded like the hypoxic pilot going to Ypsilanti

[@mtk52983]

@@SeligTiles I guess I wasn’t the only one who thought that!

[@SeligTiles]

@ 🤣

[@Pilotwisco]

Positive pressure makes ya sound a little funny.

[@AnthonyGood]

Legend has it the pilots are still to this day being asked how many souls on board and amount of fuel remaining...

[@k1mgy]

in pounds

[@lyaneris]

​@@k1mgyFunnily enough, I could imagine the second controller assuming 11.5 hours 🤔

[@jamesphillips2285]

@@lyaneris If I heard 11.5: I would assume it was in tons, or about 25,000 pounds.

[@markbranson723]

I can somehow imagine it being like the guy on Airplane! who says "I just want to tell you both Good Luck, we're all counting on you".

[@AJGT350]

​@jamesphillips2285 I would assume it was in hours at first but need to question it because a Brickyard making an 11 hour flight seems improbable

[@OfficialSamuelC]

Great to hear a flight crew respect their flight attendants and their opinion. They trusted their flight crews concern and acted on it, they didn’t second guess them. I’m sure the chief pilot may be miffed with the cost of sorting the slides and the aircraft out of action whilst that happens but it’s better to be safe than sorry.

[@EdOeuna]

Why wouldn’t they respect their cabin crews? It’s basic airmanship to listen and accept other peoples opinions and act on their information.

[@jaykay6412]

_____ was not miffed at this evac. She/he was, however, miffed at an evac in IND a few years back

[@InternetWires]

@@jaykay6412Kindly, it might be a good idea to keep names of good people, like her, off here. I think you meant to write “launch control center” 🙂 kzbin.info/www/bejne/roHCgaKCfsR5fLs&si=wAoRLg6UUyCZsnJ1

[@jaykay6412]

@@InternetWires noted

[@bmitch3020]

The second pilot sounds like he has a second job as a sports announcer.

[@DeweyCheatumNHoweLLC]

Or pitching the latest album compilation on tv. "but wait, there's more!"

[@beenaplumber8379]

I heard FDR - Franklin Roosevelt. "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."

[@justinbrown218]

I wonder how useful the fuel information actually is for emergency services. Controller told ARF “eleven hundred pounds of fuel”. So 1100 instead 11000.

[@Evolixe]

I imagine knowing that number is pretty vital in case of an open fire. Caught my ear too, not good

[@JhonCristal]

It’s a big difference, so emergency evac can anticipate the fire and they can send appropriate personnel. “1100 or 11000” that added zero will significantly enhance the fire,,if the plane does catch on fire or explosion

[@Jester01]

@@JhonCristal They did not want a big fire that's why they dropped the zero :)

[@magellanmax]

The emergency response teams need to know how much fuel is onboard so that they can deploy enough fire trucks with enough fire retardants. Any discrepancies transmitted to the ground crews can help plan/prepare for the unexpected.

[@lyaneris]

​@@magellanmax More importantly, it also informs how close to the fireball CFR can operate safely

[@lastdance2099]

The pilots had to relay the fuel+pax info twice to ATC, and ATC relayed incorrectly to ARFF.

[@jonathanbott87]

Essentially 3-4 times with verifications and repeating to the 2nd controller (he said 11.5 and had to reclarify 11.5K lbs)

[@Tom_Losh]

Clear, clean, efficient communications. Well done by all.

[@lolpaladins]

hard disagree. The controller told the firefighter there were eleven hundred pounds of fuel when there were eleven thousand pounds of fuel. Either A) it's a really important number for fire fighters to know or B) management makes us ask these stupid questions over and over and over to pilots in an emergency and it doesn't matter at all. Sure if you are at emergency fuel, great, ask how much fuel they have remaining. Are the fire fighters going to do something different if the plane crashes and burns and it only has 1,100 pounds of fuel onboard versus 11,000? No.

[@beenaplumber8379]

@@lolpaladins The handoff from Center to NY Departure was awful. They had to repeat everything except intentions, one or two things twice. It was very time-consuming. (I seem to be posting this on several threads.) Are you an ATC controller? Do you know why the ATC supervisor doesn't get that info from company dispatch first? Dispatchers aren't in the plane obviously, but to me it makes more sense to start there and follow up with the crew a little less urgently - let them deal with the emergency. Maybe tell the crew, "Understand emergency aircraft, smoke in the cockpit, 61 souls onboard, 11,000 lbs of fuel, verify if able." It bothers me that they were placing demands on this crew that was so task-saturated they forgot to turn on the lights and maybe lower the gear.

[@TomSherwood-z5l]

You can always tell those mask mics. Sounds like WW2 mic.

[@SummitHill79]

The good news is that you are going to survive. The bad news: Newark. HEY: 4:25 Grandpa turned on the cruise control on the Buick and he’s back on the radio!

[@Tirani2]

It was really nice to hear everybody communicating well, no stupid questions, no complaints, just professionalism from everyone. This is why I listen to these channels for reassurance when I fly.

[@beenaplumber8379]

Did you listen to that entire exchange from 3:15 - 3:50? That crew had a potential inflight fire, one of the scariest emergencies, a million checklist items, a plane to configure for landing, and I don't know what else, and ATC takes up a solid 35 seconds of their 11 minutes of remaining time before touchdown having them repeat EVERYTHING they had already told the previous controller. That's 5% of their total time remaining to handle a dangerous emergency wasted repeating themselves to ATC. Maybe that doesn't sound like a lot, but if the plane is actually on fire, it's a lot. Notice their landing light was off and they apparently hadn't lowered their gear on approach. That's how hectic things were, and NY Departure wants to bug them about details they need to get from their supervisor.

[@crtkatze2]

kudos to the pilots, safety first. well done!

[@sebaastiannn]

love your videos, you never miss!

[@davidpearson3304]

You know that first US pilot was pissed. He was almost on the deck when he got the “go around”. Now he has to go around all the way over o Queens

[@jayschafer1760]

Yes. That first pilot has to fight NYC area airspace traffic under stress (getting to bingo fuel), land at LGA, figure out what to do with the pax (many of whom are probably going to want to leave for home from LGA, and not fly to EWR), refuel, and then fight NYC airspace traffic again for a stupid short flight to EWR.

[@k1mgy]

It was absolutely inexcusable to clear the next flight onto the same runway as a smoke in the cockpit emergency flight.

[@jonathanbott87]

​@@k1mgynot cleared, they were directed to "continue" which is used when it's not reasonably certain that it'll be clear

[@lyaneris]

​@@k1mgy I actually find twr giving a "continue" instead of the typical US "cleared to land" was great. It would not have mattered had the United flight been for rwy 22R, the airport closed upon evacuation, plus passengers are getting off in-between the two rwys, so they'd have gone around regardless.

[@randomwaffler]

@@lyaneris hopefully that catches on - EGLL (heathrow) ATC standard operating procedure, and by extenion the UK, is to say continue approach to an aircraft unless they are number 1 and the runway is clear and will be clear until they land. like how can you clear someone to land on an occupied runway??

[@yoloman9998]

I remember this, I flew out the next day out of EWR and there were still backed up. I didn't care, just glad everyone was ok.

[@consortiumxf]

It's either FDR declaring December 6, 1941 as a day that shall live in infamy, or Neil Armstrong broadcasting live from the moon. 😊🚀 ETA: December *7* not 6. The history nerd in me cringes at typing the incorrect date!

[@InternetWires]

🤣

[@rogerguinn4619]

The information is being passed on "Fuel and souls on board"?

[@babygrrlpc5057]

Pilot in his mask sounded like an astronaut transmission from the 60s moon mission

[@InternetWires]

😂

[@brettstowell4029]

I missed it. How many souls?

[@scottbeyer101]

Good work.

[@FS2K4Pilot]

Has anyone ever looked at the possibility of incorporating a something like a helmet-mounted display into pilots’ emergency O2 masks? I seem to remember a 747 freighter that got so much smoke in the cockpit that they couldn’t read their instruments, and a mask-mounted display could help that.

[@margaretmathis4775]

That was a sad one. They almost made it.

[@EdOeuna]

There is this inflatable thing that fits between the yoke and instruments. It’s clear plastic and fills with air, meaning you can read your instruments. I’ve only ever seen it on freighter aircraft.

[@tommyrjensen]

At 3:44 N90 LIB-N asks the fuel in pounds and gets the answer "11.5, it is 11,500 pounds", while at 6:11 the GND informs ARFF that the fuel is "eleven hundred". It would be interesting to know what information about fuel got passed around between those two calls.

[@ramon3221]

excellent that the moment they called the evacuation that all aircraft had to go around that were in the air and stop moving if they were on the ground

[@franharwood3439]

Why aren't the subscribers going up faster ? I find this the best channel

[@MrBurndonesinkchair]

Was thinking about the non-standardized language when asking for fuel quantity; there has to be something, and whether it’s pounds, kilos, tons, tonnes, or time, pick one. If other information needs to be obtained, ask during a lower workload period.

[@SummitHill79]

Wow. Sounds like they put Grandpa in control of the Buick LeSabre and up-leveled the kids.

[@InternetWires]

🤣verano (convenience group)

[@Ticklestein]

So a Brickyard bricked the yard for 45 minutes. That’s funny.

[@Javon_J]

🤣🤣🤣 Newark is nicknamed Brick City

[@thoreglissmann3789]

if the slides are deployed how are the fire fighters get on Bord to fight the smoke source

[@ohheyitskevinc]

6:14 “1,100 lbs of fuel”… what’s the point of the crew telling them 3 times the fuel remaining if ground is going to tell emergency trucks the wrong figure. They were only off by 10,000 lbs… Good outcome by the sounds of it though.

[@applec2400]

“I said … I said… I do declare … an emergency” - Captain Foghorn Leghorn

[@lukew5602]

How many times do they have to repeat fuel, souls, etc

[@AJGT350]

Typically, controller will pass nature of emergency and intentions to the next controller. The supervisors want souls and fuel remaining and management should be passing that info on to the next facility management.

[@jacques6593]

I understand that ZNY pass them off to NY Approach, but what I don't understand is why an emergency aircraft has to keep repeating the nature of the emergency, souls on board, and fuel remaining (especially when it was established they had plenty of fuel). You think New York Center would pass that pertinent information to New York Approach.

[@malec93]

I don't know you, but that "Good luck, guys" didin't calm me down at all. Nice gesture, of course, but it gave me the impression of an aircraft already doomed that was attempting an almost impossible feat and needed all the prayers of the world. Smell of smoke in the cockpit is a serious issue, but it's the first time I hear something like that in one of these videos, even the ones featuring the most dangerous situations

[@Hamrosia]

A plane randomly went down in meridian Mississippi with 2 people onboard nobody died and they are investigating the crash now

[@timharada]

Not a pilot or even in the aviation industry, but it drives me nuts when the a/c has to repeat itself on souls and fuel levels to ATC.

[@tommaxwell429]

"Say souls on board and fuel remaining" ..........."Fuck No! You aren't going to do anything with it anyway and I'll be asked four more times before I get on the ground." So freaking frustrating! By the time it gets to ARFF is goes from 11,000 lbs down to 1100. That's a hell of a fuel burn sir! Why can't they get that crap straight!

[@billrobelen4948]

Bear in mind that the pilot is quite probably dumping fuel to get the airplane down to its max landing weight. Every aircraft has a maximum weight that it can safely land at. Most aircraft will be above that weight when they take off due to the weight of fuel.

[@stephenj4937]

@@billrobelen4948 An E-170 is not capable of dumping fuel. It will just land overweight if necessary.

[@tommaxwell429]

@@billrobelen4948 Perhaps that was trimmed in the comms. But I'm skeptical.

[@lyaneris]

​@@billrobelen4948 Apart from only being available to certain aircraft types (that are typically long distance with a significant difference between MTOW and MLW), dumping takes time. Only in a really dire case would it be done suddenly on the way back in and ATC would be informed if possible. Landing above maximum landing weight is usually not a concern if there has to be an inspection anyways and the runway is long enough.

[@TEMPLE7D]

Crazy day! The airport closed from 12pm until 6pm local time today because of low ATC staff.

[@VASAviation]

EWR only closed for GA flights, correct? But remained operative for commercial flights.

[@dennythomas8887]

Good call on the no landing light observed. It seems that that could have turned into a wheels up (belly) landing on top of the possible electrical fire. Disaster averted?

[@Theb_rand_1]

No. He simply forgot the landing light.

[@lyaneris]

Either forgot the light, or had it off on purpose, since reducing electronics is part of the electrical fire/smoke in the cockpit procedure. Pretty much every jet will scream at you if you forget the gear.

[@EdOeuna]

It depends on company SOP but you normally turn on the landing lights at 10,000ft. If they were busy or distracted when passing 10,000ft then it’s easy to forget the lights.

[@sint5990]

It’s scary that nobody corrected when ATC told the trucks 1100 pounds of fuel instead of 11000 pounds. Had it been a real fire, that difference would’ve been catastrophic for the ARFF crew

[@craig7350]

Always always always an issue with souls on board and fuel. Even when the pilot states it right at beginning! Then the twr tells ARFF 11 hundred pounds instead of 11 thousand anyway.

[@jonathanbott87]

When they said it during the initial emergency declaration I knew there'd be an issue with the controller catching it 🤦

[@AJGT350]

​@@jonathanbott87There's probably lots going on in the background at ZNY when the emergency is declared.

[@Molon_Labe1776]

What is that metronome noise?

[@kaydenm6573]

Airbus autothrottle disconnect I believe

[@uweberning8361]

@@kaydenm6573 Airbus autothrottle disconnect in an E75L ????

[@bmitch3020]

Given that the sound was on both the controller and pilot, I'd say it's interference on that channel experienced by the volunteer radio receiver.

[@mlcochran78]

I thought it was overspeed at first until I could hear it on the ATC frequency

[@ofeigurbararson7328]

What is so hard about simply vectoring to a nearby runway and providing clearances? Seems like in the USA, the top priority during emergencies is distracting questions like fuel, souls, etc.

[@hoolihanohoolihan1011]

ya so distracting

[@TimAyro]

Checklists need to be run, communicating with company, flight attendants and passengers needs to be done. If you have the time, depending on the type of emergency, there really isn't a rush to land. They only had a smell of smoke. They probably asked FAs if they saw and fire. If it becomes a land ASAP emergency, the pilots will tell ATC don't worry. One time I was flying into DEN about to be vectored onto final. We had a medical emergency, declared emergency and landed immediately. They did not ask for souls or fuel because we were right there.

[@lyaneris]

​@@TimAyroWith a medical emergency, souls and fuel are not usually asked for, rather, ATC would ask about the patient.

[@saxmanb777]

Because knowing souls and fuel is required…

[@ofeigurbararson7328]

@@saxmanb777 That can hardly be the most important info, unless there is a risk of rough landing

[@dmimcg]

Snoop Dog was on that flight and has some explaining to do.

[@paddyohenry6428]

Good job not passing the information to the next controller.

[@k1mgy]

They use morse code still.

[@lolpaladins]

Further, the next controller passed it onto the firefighters as 11 hundred, when it was actually 10 times as much 11,000

[@jayl8818]

ATC needs a system to pass emergency information.between controllers. Pilots are busy enough without having to repeating themselves with every controller.

[@dermann439]

They have a system. It's called landline and works perfectly fine in every other country

[@randomwaffler]

if you want an example of such a system (landline) search up baw38 atc and it should be entitled Crisis: British Airways 38 ATC Audio.

[@jesse00pno]

2:40 - “Use Wilkes-Barre’s altimeter, 29.88”

[@joerivanlier1180]

You know why they use mayday 3 times instead of "declaring emergency" , because saying something 3 times at least makes it clear, and it's about as long.

[@Aeronotti]

The best antidote for the hazardous attitude Resignation with smoke in the cockpit is, if for nothing else, you don’t want your final words to sound as goofy as the gas masks make them 😂

[@Aviation714]

I saw N642RW at EWR on 10/28/24

[@davidrichter57]

In an emergency, the pilots should first put the souls and fuel online. Then, when asked for the 14th time, they can say "it's on our Facebook page".

[@ryanjacobs6409]

Is the Russian woodpecker back active on the approach frequency?

[@codemonkey2k5]

"Contact NewYork Approach on 135.57. The information has been forwarded to them." 10 seconds later... New York ground has no idea what is going on with the plane.

[@mata2723]

yes a shame....cant they design a system to add the info on ATC side that follow the plane between controllers...

[@coolbear6441]

Who’s call sign Brickyard for?

[@VASAviation]

Republic Airlines

[@RipRoaringGarage]

Is it me or have been a lot more atypical emergencies lately? Since the DHL in VIlnius feels like youve been working a whole bunch, Victor. Keep it up. Documenting this will be invaluable over the years (already is!) Alex

[@hoolihanohoolihan1011]

all emergencies are atypical

[@jyggalag169]

We’re coming back from a major slump in aviation flights caused by COVID 19 and with the larger amount of flights there will inevitably be more emergencies.

[@RipRoaringGarage]

@@hoolihanohoolihan1011 I wouldnt say that. Engine vibrations, bird strikes, those are fairly common. its not routine, since complacency is a big risk, but theyre often enough that you wont hear pilots voices cracking from stress during an engine shut down. Fires, gear issues, overruns, those though...thats what Im seeing a bit more. We already have a LOT of ATC problems, and a LOT of TCAS RAs lately too. Hopefully the FAA wakes up (rather than being...well, we all know what)

[@mahu1982]

Just fracking say Mayday Mayday Mayday already. How hard can it be.

[@williamedwards1528]

Why? Plainly stating the problem and requesting to land as soon as possible can't be much clearer.

[@TheHand1000]

​@williamedwards1528 except it clearly wasn't as they had to repeat it.

[@EdOeuna]

It is strange how Americans appear to make their lives more difficult. Say “mayday” and then you can do pretty much what you want. “I am turning left/right and direct to xxx for the ILS approach, Newark”, etc.

[@A.J.1656]

This is a point of confusion for a lot of internet commenters who think it's a good way to get thumbs ups on their comment. You're actually wrong and don't understand the purpose of declaring Mayday on frequency. Do a little studying and you'll realize that these professional pilots you watch from home actually know what they are doing. Look to them for guidance, not the most thumbs-upped comments from grouchy commenters who are "aviation enthusiasts".

[@EdOeuna]

Calling Mayday is the perfect way to sort out this situation. As soon as you mention those magic words then you can do almost anything you want. Give yourself vectors for an immediate return and advise ATC.

[@wadesaxton6079]

Seriously WTF US ATC?? Why can’t ATC pass on the POB and Fuel information to the next controller so the pilots are continuously asked the same questions?

[@Izmael1310]

Fuel and souls on board and the "next atc" will have the info. Next ATC first question "how many souls on board and fuel" and then have to clarify the 11.5 as 11500 lol cant the atc add 2 zeroes? WTF?

[@MotoVloggedOUT]

Wondering what a flight attendant would have to say about the hydraulic system. 🤔

[@jonathanbott87]

Maybe smell of leaking/burning fluid

[@Vadim-rh3lr]

Did anyone else initially worry that the pilot sounded hypoxic? I kinda thought that was why the controller descended him to 11,000 at first.

[@InternetWires]

I wouldn’t worry about that. I think a sudden cognitive load on the moon just makes some people sound even dumber than they already are 🙂. When it is just you and one other spaceship on lonely parts of the moon on some nights, a tiny word of encouragement from one spaceship to the other in a situation like that can help more than you can possibly imagine. Maybe someone can play this video for one of the world class, underpaid controllers in area D, and he (my twin) will be able to find the actual guys in areas C, B, or possibly A and N90 and the local who really helped those astronauts out and they can all bring their WAGs and share a round of space drinks some time next summer at the D guy’s beautiful house with the nice hot tub. Frankie D.R. - verano (convenience group) driver

[@CPRebels21]

Did the pilots actually forget to put the landing gear down and were reminded or were they just not at that stage of their approach yet?

[@VASAviation]

The E170 has landing lights mounted at the wing root (apart from the one on the nose wheel), not affected by landing gear position, so most likely they just forgot to turn the landing lights ON.

[@concankid4202]

The tower couldn't see the plane very well at that nighttime approach, they could see that there were no lights and the controller probably figured that since the smoke distraction had them fail to turn on the landing lights they might have failed to lowered the gear as well, however, they would have gotten a gear warning.

[@jonathanbott87]

If they forgot the lights, controller figured best to check the gear too

[@A.J.1656]

No. The jet will tell you before the tower. Lol

[@BabyMakR]

So no landing light. Does that mean the gear wasn't down or the light wasn't turned on?

[@VASAviation]

Lights were not ON

[@A.J.1656]

Lights. The gear is operated by a lever and the lights are operated by overhead switches.

[@yousefhalabi9695]

Anyone knows why redundant questions occur? It's not the first time i notice upon switching atc requests Fuel/SOB for the second time which is annoying and gets you to wonder shouldn't this info be passed by procedure? ofc not to give hate great work there to atcs but don't think its good to burden pilot cognitive load under such circumstances

[@kaylinsmith6921]

Makes me sad to think this is probably not the first, or even the fifteenth, emergency for this pilot, given that he immediately offered the souls and fuel information.

[@freedommike4862]

👏 👏 👏

[@Ndub1036]

PILOTS: if you give souls and fuel and it isn’t passed along properly, please tell the second controller you already gave it and they can call the previous controller for the info

[@lyaneris]

I wonder whether the info was relayed directly to Newark, instead of NY approach 🤔

[@Ndub1036]

@ doesn’t matter. This is happening far too often and we need to put it in our hands to fix at this point

[@jamesphillips2285]

When he said "standby souls" I was wondering if somebody died between the two transmissions.

[@charlierichardson613]

Every time I watch one of these, the pilot tells ATC souls and fuel. ATC says they'll pass the info on. The next ATC person then asks "number of souls and fuel?" Seems like that could be conveyed by ATC to minimize pilot workload during an emergency. It doesn't give me confidence that the rescue trucks get the info...

[@Noikar]

oh I work at DTW

[@avgjoeavglife]

Cool

[@plsniper]

Hey, United can not take any delalys. They have to come right back around, so get those people out of there. Huh? LOL!

[@bigstick6332]

Ya what was up with the United

[@plsniper]

@@bigstick6332 Yup, that was weird. Probably new FO. Seconds later got slapped by the captain. :)

[@lyaneris]

​@@bigstick6332Stressful situation, might not have clocked the evac call at first and were very aware of their fuel status.

[@xAK723x]

@@bigstick6332 He was simply letting them know he doesn't have enough fuel for any further delays

[@TheWabbit]

That would suck, emergency crew expecting 1100 pounds of fuel and there's 11,000 pounds! ATC eh, close enough.

[@tenpiloto]

“Newark, New Jersey”.

[@TrevorWofford]

As long as ATC gets the souls and fuel, they could careless if the plane lands safely

[@omgsrsly]

Following 'protocol', even in a very inefficient and incomplete way, is much more important than the actual performance or outcome it seems

[@matthewsims4457]

The crew was 100% correct! No need for another British Airtours (1985 - Manchester) or Air Canada flight 797 (1983 - CVG ) disasters...GTF out of the aircraft and deal with consequences later.

[@k1mgy]

Send ZNY34 some Q-Tips and an ear wax removal kit. Should NOT have to ask for altimeter. Should have been passed along with brief wx. N90-LIBN: NO COORDINATION. No surprise. EWR-GND: How did 11,000 pounds of become 1100 after all the duplication prior? Three stooges quality comms from the ground.

[@alexschwager2645]

hello I emailed you last week about my aircraft that depressurized at fl290 and diverted to KALB, it was dl3831. oxygen masks deployed and they descended 20k feet in about 3 minutes

[@Boodieman72]

If the pilots had called out a PAN PAN or Mayday then the controller wouldn't have needed to have them repeat what they said as ATC would already be paying attention.

[@blackbearnh]

Saying "Declaring an emergency" is exactly the same as a Mayday. Definitely not a PAN PAN, as that's for "we're worried about something, but no huge rush." A suspected fire on an aircraft is "Get this bird's ass on the ground ASAP!"

[@EdOeuna]

@@blackbearnh- so mayday is exactly what you want to use, because you can then demand things or even begin to self position for an approach or expedited descent, etc.

[@whiteandnerdytuba]

“Can you take a decent” is a really stupid question for a plane that’s on fire trying to land

[@kevinm6510]

Couple of mistakes here, first was the controller misstated eleven hundred pounds of fuel to the ARF, not eleven thousand. Not a big deal but still. And I hope they didn’t forget to put their gear down - hard to tell how far out they were when the controller called them out on it.

[@TitaniumTurbine]

Thank you for the Monday Night Football quarterbacking, now why don’t you make up for it and tell us what they did right?

[@lyaneris]

Pretty sure the controller called "check wheels down" because they couldn't see them due to the landing lights being off.

[@Bigmoney703]

Ok now this finally makes sense. They take their sweet ass time evacuating so they can avoid closing down airports. In almost every evacuation video they wait until the last possible moment to evacuate for fear of injuries on the slides. And yes, I know about shutting down the engines, etc...

[@jonathanbott87]

Yeah, apparently loose passengers potentially running panicked around an airport with running engines is bad for the planes and the passengers 😬

[@lyaneris]

It's a mixture of closing down the airport (least concern), injured passengers on evac (happens a lot) and also needing to replace the slides. Had a pegasus stuck at an airport bc replacement slides had to be flown in (small brake fire) 😅

[@pa60pilot]

It was kind of the pilot to specify they wanted to go to “Newark, New Jersey”. It kept the controller from vectoring them to Newark, Delaware, Newark, Texas, or Newark, California. 🙄

[@Theb_rand_1]

Pilot was trying to speak slowly to avoid mistakes. Adding NJ at the end drags it out and forces him to move slower and not F up.

[@jonathanbott87]

Or New York (too similar with mask garble)

[@HCMCDrives]

"one one eleven thousand". Needlessly confusing. "Eleven thousand" seems to be much clearer for me.

[@lyaneris]

Eleven can sound like seven, so it's pretty common practice to use "one one thousand" or "one one, eleven thousand". It's used very often, particularly for altitudes.

[@mata2723]

At the beginning, the shoudl just start their sentence with Mayday to get full attention immediately. Emergency at the end of sentence was pretty inefficient

[@AB-kd9mk]

Whatever idiot choose this time to say “good luck guys” ..don’t do that…got it?

[@InternetWires]

who knows, that tiny act of compassion might have made them feel a lot less isolated and alone in that instant.

[@cageordie]

Usual utter lack of proper radio procedure. Aren't American commercial pilots trained in radio procedure.

[@C420sailor]

Found the ICAO snob

[@EdOeuna]

Apparently not. I was listening to the radio the other day. Clear and crop communication until an American pitched in with “passing 2 point 2 climbing 16…”.

[@xAK723x]

@@EdOeuna Get over yourself

[@EdOeuna]

@@xAK723x - truth hurts.

[@mikek5298]

Pilot: "Declaring an emergency". ATC: "Say again?" Every controller except the Tower needs be be given unpaid suspension for negligence and incompetence. Union workers at their finest.

[@Zelinc]

You are an insane person

[@consortiumxf]

Perhaps if the pilot used the correct phraseology of MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY the controller would have understood faster?

[@davidgraham7932]

​@@consortiumxfBuT ThErE's nO NeEd, everyone from the US comments on all these videos. Absurd. There's a reason the rest of the world does it, folks.

[@jaredjones6292]

@@consortiumxf Was this a mayday mayday mayday situation, or a pan pan pan pan situation?

[@DouglasCarnall]

​@@jaredjones6292smoke in cockpit's a Mayday: no smoke without fire and fire on an aircraft is an emergency